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Leafovic
03-29-2014, 09:32 AM
I haven't made a game-day thread in probably a couple years, so hopefully I can bring some good luck.

All the games are do or die now but losing this one tonight basically knocks us out of the playoff picture.


GO LEAFS GO!

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 09:39 AM
Put it this way ... the Leafs need to win at least 6 of the final 7 to get in. In other words: they are done.

On the bright side, I've developed a strange fascination with just how deep are the depths the Leafs can plumb. Maybe they can lose 8 in a row! Go Wings!

leafman101
03-29-2014, 09:59 AM
This is a huge game. Its probably the season for them if they don't win.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 10:26 AM
do? lol

Leafovic
03-29-2014, 10:42 AM
do? lol

Yeah, like win the game. lol

Habsy
03-29-2014, 10:43 AM
This is your season right here. Curious to see how the players react to having their backs against the wall in a must-win game against the team their chasing.

I'm starting to think Nonis and Carlyle will be gone if the losing streak continues. Nonis stood pat at deadline and the team subsequently tanked. Carlyle looks lost.

This is seriously not meant to bait but it has to be asked... where the **** is the leadership on this team over the past two weeks?!?

Habsy
03-29-2014, 10:44 AM
Put it this way ... the Leafs need to win at least 6 of the final 7 to get in. In other words: they are done.

On the bright side, I've developed a strange fascination with just how deep are the depths the Leafs can plumb. Maybe they can lose 8 in a row! Go Wings!

AH, you've gone the other way then, tank nation eh? Finish as low as possible for the draft. It's a weak draft so I suppose the theory has merit.

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 10:51 AM
This is seriously not meant to bait but it has to be asked... where the **** is the leadership on this team over the past two weeks?!?

Leadershiip you ask? Stroking itself in the mirror.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/bcc6a8464da6766f0c99daf5445e6816/tumblr_mz8qlj06Wr1rhw4wzo1_1280.jpg

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 10:54 AM
AH, you've gone the other way then, tank nation eh? Finish as low as possible for the draft. It's a weak draft so I suppose the theory has merit.

Nah, never been a fan of the tank shit. Just enjoying the car wreck ... ya know, morbid curiosity.

Corky27
03-29-2014, 11:00 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmLv8rfunPo

LeafGm
03-29-2014, 11:15 AM
Do OR Die?

They're already dead.

Habsy
03-29-2014, 11:18 AM
Any team can lose 7 or win 7. They're not dead yet, just on life-support.

LeafGm
03-29-2014, 11:23 AM
Sure, any team can win seven games in a row, in theory.

I just don't have any faith in this bunch of losers to do it.

Wayward DP
03-29-2014, 11:27 AM
Who's in net?

Bernie hasn't played in back-back games all season, not sure coming off of a groin injury's the time to start?

worm
03-29-2014, 11:30 AM
This is seriously not meant to bait but it has to be asked... where the **** is the leadership on this team over the past two weeks?!?

blaming the goalie (lupul)
playing terrible (double dion)

Corky27
03-29-2014, 11:36 AM
it's all over folks. Each year this team finds a more and more heartbreaking way to end things for us. Sad.

Blueman
03-29-2014, 11:39 AM
Leadershiip you ask? Stroking itself in the mirror.

https://24.media.tumblr.com/bcc6a8464da6766f0c99daf5445e6816/tumblr_mz8qlj06Wr1rhw4wzo1_1280.jpg

Shouldn't they have scored 4 goals in a game first?

CaptainBolduke
03-29-2014, 11:59 AM
blaming the goalie (lupul)
playing terrible (double dion)

Lupul is part of your leadership? That's scary.

CRL
03-29-2014, 12:22 PM
Lupul is part of your leadership? That's scary.

next 7 years with Dion wearing C scares me much more

Killer93
03-29-2014, 01:35 PM
7-0 Wings

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 01:47 PM
We can win, we just need some breaks and calls to go our way.

I don't think we're going to drop our final 13 games of the season, so we gotta catch a break here somewhere and snap out of this.

CRL
03-29-2014, 01:49 PM
We can win, we just need some breaks and calls to go our way.

I don't think we're going to drop our final 13 games of the season, so we gotta catch a break here somewhere and snap out of this.

like win 4 or 5 and still don't make it? :)

BTW D'Amigo just gets recall, man this is so funny, 5-6 games to late LOL

Leafyblue
03-29-2014, 01:49 PM
Reimer tonight?

CRL
03-29-2014, 01:52 PM
Reimer tonight?

nope JB

uncus
03-29-2014, 02:08 PM
I don't know why they don't dress carter ashton (unless he is hurt) and put him in place of Raymond and dress D`Amigo in place of Orr tonight.
Put Bolland on the second pp unit at center and move kadri over to wing. Bolland is better on the faceoffs and Kadri likes to work off the wing anyways.....

uncus
03-29-2014, 02:09 PM
leafs win tonight 6-3 ....

mbow30
03-29-2014, 03:51 PM
I don't know why they don't dress carter ashton (unless he is hurt) and put him in place of Raymond and dress D`Amigo in place of Orr tonight.
Put Bolland on the second pp unit at center and move kadri over to wing. Bolland is better on the faceoffs and Kadri likes to work off the wing anyways.....

bolland is not better than kadri at faceoffs.

number17
03-29-2014, 05:33 PM
our do or die game was last night.

Even if we win this, we need to win 5 of the remaining 6 to get in ... which means, we might as well lose all remaining 6 and get a better pick.

BUt of course, that also means we'll actually win tonight, and win like 3 of 6 to finish 9th or 10th.

Gosh hockey god hates us.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 05:43 PM
Sad thats it come to this AGAIN

Leafyblue
03-29-2014, 05:50 PM
Losing those games to the shit teams = Ass bite

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 06:17 PM
Losing those games to the shit teams = Ass bite

Yeah, remember when we lost to the Sabres 3 times in a short span?

Leafyblue
03-29-2014, 06:31 PM
Yup....and it was mentioned at the time that it could haunt us at the end of the year.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 06:32 PM
6-3 wings dion a -6

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 06:38 PM
6-3 wings dion a -6

Ooooh, ghost's of Bryan McCabe past.

zeke
03-29-2014, 06:58 PM
Win this fuxking game.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 07:04 PM
http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/81526104.gif

Artnes
03-29-2014, 07:12 PM
My beer tells me we take 2 tonight. Never steered me wrong before.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 07:13 PM
Damn the person singing the person signing the anthem is a fox, I think this team should be fired up just looking at her during it.

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 07:14 PM
So, Bernier gives up 9 goals in 2 games and gets the nod on B2B. Sad state of affairs, although even Reimer wasn't averaging that in his previous stint. Goalie situation is, well, shit.

Maybe there's a surprising turnaround ... for 7 games, lol

Artnes
03-29-2014, 07:24 PM
He had his chance to take the net back and failed miserably

We were down 1-0 before the first puck drop in almost every game with those rotten goals.

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 07:27 PM
Did someone say Reimer should have started?

TimHorton
03-29-2014, 07:30 PM
Outside his wife, and possibly his mother, no one thinks Reimer should start.

TimHorton
03-29-2014, 07:32 PM
There's one!

Habspatrol
03-29-2014, 07:33 PM
We're beating Florida for you guys.

PKForce81
03-29-2014, 07:37 PM
There's one!

Looking pretty good so far. Carlyle is ****ing weird..Finally he has a good 4th line in Kuly-McClement-Bodie. If we didn't have Clarkson it'd be pretty much perfect lineup.

PKForce81
03-29-2014, 07:37 PM
We're beating Florida for you guys.

lol, Thanks! :)

Habspatrol
03-29-2014, 07:38 PM
:thumbup:

Blueman
03-29-2014, 07:41 PM
Let's channel some winter classic magic

rated
03-29-2014, 07:45 PM
Rielly looking great

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 07:45 PM
we nee to blow this open. been a while...

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 07:54 PM
Irony that Franson scores the opening goal. Clarkson with a hat trick?? LOL!

zeke
03-29-2014, 07:59 PM
Gunnar 7:52 (23:36)
Phaneuf 7:12 (21:36)

Gardiner 7:14 (21:42)
Franson 4:54 (14:42)

Gleason 6:27 (19:21)
Rielly 6:21 (19:03)

Randy does the right things way too late.

zeke
03-29-2014, 08:07 PM
Bozak 5:43 (17:09) - 80%
Kessel 5:53 (17:39)
Vanryk 5:58 (17:54)

Kadri 6:41 (20:03) - 75%
Lupul 5:17 (15:51)
Raymond 5:07 (15:21)

Bolland 3:28 (10:24) - 75%
Clarkson 4:05 (12:15)
Damigo 4:08 (12:24)

Mcclem 4:08 (12:24) - 67%
Kulemin 3:47 (11:21)
Bodie 3:45 (11:15)

Randy must feel so much more comfortable having four lines he can trust. Stubborn mule kept playing orr just to prove a point.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:12 PM
LOL

rated
03-29-2014, 08:13 PM
how the **** did one red wing player beat 2 ****ing toronto players to that

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 08:13 PM
Gardiner needs to **** off.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 08:13 PM
So lazy.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:14 PM
They've given up.
Get us a great pick this summer.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 08:14 PM
Nice play gardiner. dummy

Feyd
03-29-2014, 08:14 PM
Just about to turn this one off.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 08:14 PM
Are you ****ing kidding me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:15 PM
LOL x 2

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:15 PM
Did someone say Reimer should have started?

I thought that was him on those two goals. lol

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 08:16 PM
And the shitshow continues ... **** this team sucks shit.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 08:16 PM
I hate this team, I just hate them.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 08:16 PM
haha, this team is shit. I shouldnt have any hope.

When is it a good time to tank?

Artnes
03-29-2014, 08:18 PM
We're still winning this game.

Deckie007
03-29-2014, 08:19 PM
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJAbolOl4PN_wSJXGSS4lSwp-11Y8xy7Jrhb6K62KhR-aUOuvh

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:19 PM
Two goals in just over a minute. PULL RIEMER! Oh wait...

Leafyblue
03-29-2014, 08:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJnQyrQuggI

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 08:20 PM
I would not be surprised if we lose the next 7 and make it a straight 14.

mbow30
03-29-2014, 08:21 PM
What the hell is going on with Phaneuf.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:23 PM
LOL x 3

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 08:23 PM
I give up. The team obviously has. **** them all!

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 08:23 PM
That goaltending duo is pulling off some awesome magic down the stretch ...

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:24 PM
Don't pull him, Randy. It's your God Bernier. He can't be pulled. LMAO! what a joke. This team has given up.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:25 PM
That kids, is no secondary scoring.

Needed that, so much

mbow30
03-29-2014, 08:26 PM
Franson with the bang up job in front. They should trade every dman but rielly and maybe gardiner. Enoigh is enough. Use phaneuf and gunnar to shore upnat centre. Good riddance to franson. Hes a disaster.

The coaching deserves some blame but these guys play brain dead hockey

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 08:26 PM
**** this team right now.

And I'm on board the fire Randy bandwagon. Coaching has to be called into question with these team repeatedly imploding like this.

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 08:27 PM
Bernier shouldn't be playing, but Reimer had his chance and took a runny hot shit on our season to get this streak going.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:27 PM
"LET'S GO RED WINGS" heard from the crowd. LMAO!

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 08:27 PM
Franson with the bang up job in front. They should trade every dman but rielly and maybe gardiner. Enoigh is enough. Use phaneuf and gunnar to shore upnat centre. Good riddance to franson. Hes a disaster.

The coaching deserves some blame but these guys play brain dead hockey

This part is true too, admittedly.

The system definitely blows though.

mbow30
03-29-2014, 08:28 PM
That goaltending duo is pulling off some awesome magic down the stretch ...

They scored on a turnover inthe slot, a guy being left all alone in front after a trmover in the slot and on a play where bernier couldnt possibly see where thr puck was. This isjt on the goaltending.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 08:28 PM
Nonis deserves to lose his job as well. Massive purge.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:28 PM
A lot of stupid players can be taught to stand in the right spot. It's not all on coaching and systems, but a lot of it is.

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 08:29 PM
They scored on a turnover inthe slot, a guy being left all alone in front after a trmover in the slot and on a play where bernier couldnt possibly see where thr puck was. This isjt on the goaltending.

I didn't say it was on the goaltending, but 3 goals on 12 shots is shit goaltending.

mbow30
03-29-2014, 08:29 PM
Bernier shouldn't be playing, but Reimer had his chance and took a runny hot shit on our season to get this streak going.

Turnover in the slot/quick wrister and teo goals where guys were wide open and all alone in front. The d have been awful

mbow30
03-29-2014, 08:30 PM
I didn't say it was on the goaltending, but 3 goals on 12 shots is shit goaltending.

Generally yes. Not always.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:30 PM
Bernier shouldn't be playing, but Reimer had his chance and took a runny hot shit on our season to get this streak going.

THIS.
Reimer had a glorious chance and blew it. Bernier being rushed back with his groin injury was asinine. .897 since his return, and playing "ok... JUST ok" tonight.
This team is done.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 08:30 PM
This part is true too, admittedly.

The system definitely blows though.

What system?

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 08:30 PM
Turnover in the slot/quick wrister and teo goals where guys were wide open and all alone in front. The d have been awful

not really arguing with that...

soco22
03-29-2014, 08:30 PM
Tank nation time...

Need canes, jersey, Dallas, Columbus, peg and Canucks to get points tonight.

Can go from 12th to 6th pick potentially if we keep this up.

Let kessel and bernier sit to get healthy and not risk any bigger type of injury.

mbow30
03-29-2014, 08:31 PM
A lot of stupid players can be taught to stand in the right spot. It's not all on coaching and systems, but a lot of it is.

Stupid players cant. Thats why temas like the wings love certain guys and have no tolerance for others. But the bi problem is the turnovers

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 08:31 PM
Generally yes. Not always.

Definitely ripe scoring chances; just not enough saves ... particularly from a 'veniza candidate'. He's up to 12 goals for the past 2.5 games.

CH1
03-29-2014, 08:31 PM
Bernier hasn't been great but his d-men aren't exactly winning a lot of puck battles in his zone.

Feyd
03-29-2014, 08:32 PM
Pretty bad when Reimer shits the bed so badly the coaching staff has to rush an injured Bernier back into the crease.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:33 PM
Stupid players cant. Thats why temas like the wings love certain guys and have no tolerance for others. But the bi problem is the turnovers

You could easily say the same about Jersey, and they managed to make one of the dumbest wingers I've ever seen look credible for a bunch of years.

Artnes
03-29-2014, 08:33 PM
Have the forgot how to forecheck. Pathetic to watch our forwards down low

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:34 PM
Out
Coached
Again

BeLeafer
03-29-2014, 08:34 PM
Bernier hasn't been great but his d-men aren't exactly winning a lot of puck battles in his zone.

Keystone material from the blueliners.

This team has the lowest panic threshold of any in existence. It's pathetic to watch.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:35 PM
Bolland...jesus **** man

That's 2 really, really stupid penalties in 2 straight games for the guy who is supposed to be one of our veteran guys, cup experience, etc.

Preston_Mizzi
03-29-2014, 08:36 PM
You could easily say the same about Jersey, and they managed to make one of the dumbest wingers I've ever seen look credible for a bunch of years.

And smartly dumped him when he was asking for 5+ million. Trust me, he was just as stupid and frustrating on New Jersey. More opportunity resulted in more goals, but he was never a good player.

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 08:36 PM
Nice play bolland...

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 08:36 PM
And smartly dumped him when he was asking for 5+ million. Trust me, he was just as stupid and frustrating on New Jersey. More opportunity resulted in more goals, but he was never a good player.

Trust you? everyone on this board knew the deal with clarkson.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 08:37 PM
We're icing a full lineup and the redwings are pretty much their farm team.

We might as well have iced the marlies, at least they can put up a fight.

Feyd
03-29-2014, 08:37 PM
Team is frustrated at their own ineptitude. Expect stupid shit to happen.

Artnes
03-29-2014, 08:38 PM
There better be a make up call coming for Helm falling like it was his first time skating on that second bump

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 08:38 PM
The Leafs haven't been that bad this game, we've been more then keeping up with the wings tonight, it's 3 things that have cost us

1. A lazy defensive play by Gardiner- Gives it up at the blueline to Helm for a breakaway, Bernier makes the save and the puck goes back to Gardiner who's pass is intercepted by Helm in front and he scores a beauty of a goal
2. A failed call on Lupul being highstick leads to Detroit going the other way and putting a trickler through Bernier's legs.
3. Lazy coverage in front of the net, allowing Helm the tip in.

Other then that the Leafs have been quick on the counter attack and have had several chances tonight, it's been closer then the score is indicating.

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 08:39 PM
I'm actually quite thankful the Leafs didn't go out and spend futures on anything that was available at the deadline because none of the options would've saved this team, IMO.

... better keep building.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:41 PM
Sit Kessel, JVR, and Bozie, and Bernier. Give McSelke top line time, along with Clarkson and his albatross contract, and let's tank to a top pick for a change.
In the summer, get us a coach who won't lead the league in shots against and cement Franson on our top PP line.

Preston_Mizzi
03-29-2014, 08:42 PM
Trust you? everyone on this board knew the deal with clarkson.
ye. just replying to mindz implying that clarkson looked competent on nj. He was definitely a standout for all the wrong reasons on most nights.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 08:43 PM
And of course the Leafs are gonna tease tonight lol.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 08:43 PM
Thanks, Joffrey. A little late.

soco22
03-29-2014, 08:44 PM
I'm actually quite thankful the Leafs didn't go out and spend futures on anything that was available at the deadline because none of the options would've saved this team, IMO.

... better keep building.

Troublesome part is we have been wasting first rounders in last few years on players with no impact upside (Biggs, Gauthier).

Be happier if we were drafting better, especially with the money we have to spend on scouting and what not.

Yes, our system is better than when JFJ left - but would hope that we would have more than 2 guys playin today that have top 6 (f) or top 4 (d) potential in kadri and Reilly after 5 years of rebuilding.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:44 PM
And smartly dumped him when he was asking for 5+ million. Trust me, he was just as stupid and frustrating on New Jersey. More opportunity resulted in more goals, but he was never a good player.

He looked credible in Jersey. He's looked like an AHL player in Toronto. Heavily structured system in jersey kept his warts from being too obvious. Free flowing system in Toronto with little structure exposes his complete lack of hockey skills.

ForeverTML
03-29-2014, 08:45 PM
Reilly is the ONLY bright spot of the entire ****ing season.

A true untouchable on this team.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:45 PM
I was in the middle of starting a bit of a eulogy thread, with my list of wanted off season moves including lists of GM and coach candidates, UFA's available for shoring up the bottom end of out lineup and realistic trade targets.

Joffrey has put the apocalypse on hold for a few minutes.

soco22
03-29-2014, 08:46 PM
Reilly is the ONLY bright spot of the entire ****ing season.

A true untouchable on this team.

Kessel and bernier?

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 08:46 PM
He looked credible in Jersey. He's looked like an AHL player in Toronto. Heavily structured system in jersey kept his warts from being too obvious. Free flowing system in Toronto with little structure exposes his complete lack of hockey skills.

I think the other problem is the Leafs are really fast and it's exploiting Clarkson's lack of speed.

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 08:46 PM
Troublesome part is we have been wasting first rounders in last few years on players with no impact upside (Biggs, Gauthier).

Be happier if we were drafting better, especially with the money we have to spend on scouting and what not.

Yes, our system is better than when JFJ left - but would hope that we would have more than 2 guys playin today that have top 6 (f) or top 4 (d) potential in kadri and Reilly after 5 years of rebuilding.

You're definitely, definitely preaching to the choir on that one. I've been shit on for criticizing both picks on this board.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 08:47 PM
Kessel and bernier?

Core I'd keep: JVR, Bozak, Kessel, Kadri, Phaneuf, Rielly and Bernier. Everyone else can be had...

soco22
03-29-2014, 08:47 PM
Core I'd keep: JVR, Bozak, Kessel, Kadri, Phaneuf, Rielly and Bernier. Everyone else can be had...

Talking about bright spots this season in my responce...

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 08:48 PM
Talking about bright spots this season in my responce...

Same, those guys have been bright spots for the Leafs this season.

soco22
03-29-2014, 08:50 PM
You're definitely, definitely preaching to the choir on that one. I've been shit on for criticizing both picks on this board.

Gauthier I knew sucked and got shat on for being negative with ppl (outside the board).

Biggs, bit sad about. When you hear we traded up to take him away from Detroit and Burke being high on him - kinda trusted Burke.

Could also be how we develop our prospects too. Eakins was shit ass coach playing vets and not prioritizing development of youngsters. Wanted to win to get a nhl gig.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:51 PM
I think the other problem is the Leafs are really fast and it's exploiting Clarkson's lack of speed.

Yeah, being a shit skater was part of what I was getting at with "complete lack of hockey skills". He can't skate, handle the puck, pass, etc. He's shit. It's stunning that anyone who dismisses analytics as quickly as Nonis does and claims that they do all their scouting by "watching him play"....can "watch him play" and see a 5.25 million dollar hockey player. The only thing good about the clown is his possession numbers.

Artnes
03-29-2014, 08:53 PM
the Biggs pick is Burke wanted the next Lucic and seen that in Biggs. Problem is the likely hood of another Lucic coming along anytime soon is rare.

He gambled and lost.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 08:54 PM
Yeah, being a shit skater was part of what I was getting at with "complete lack of hockey skills". He can't skate, handle the puck, pass, etc. He's shit. It's stunning that anyone who dismisses analytics as quickly as Nonis does and claims that they do all their scouting by "watching him play"....can "watch him play" and see a 5.25 million dollar hockey player. The only thing good about the clown is his possession numbers.

It's embarassing watching in the offensive zone, often times he has open players to pass to but instead he blindly fired a weak one on net, kills the play completley. The one thing I will say in his defense, is he's decent at cycling but then again what good is it when he eventually falls on his ass, guy's done it at least 2-3x tonight alone.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 08:58 PM
You're definitely, definitely preaching to the choir on that one. I've been shit on for criticizing both picks on this board.

We've been over it before...but Biggs are Gauthier aren't in the same stratosphere for upside. Biggs was shit and always was shit. Gauthier has all the makings of a really good 2nd line centre.

You made an awesome call, right from the onset on Biggs. On Gauthier, you're probably going to be shown to be wrong. It might take a bit for him to develop, but the kid is huge, mean, fast, with plus offensive tools that he hasn't entirely put together yet (partially due to opportunity).

CH1
03-29-2014, 08:59 PM
the Biggs pick is Burke wanted the next Lucic and seen that in Biggs. Problem is the likely hood of another Lucic coming along anytime soon is rare.

He gambled and lost.

Habs bought the same lotto ticket last season with McCarron.

Leafyblue
03-29-2014, 09:01 PM
Is the site being hacked again? I can barely get the page to open.

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 09:02 PM
Gauthier I knew sucked and got shat on for being negative with ppl (outside the board).

Biggs, bit sad about. When you hear we traded up to take him away from Detroit and Burke being high on him - kinda trusted Burke.

Could also be how we develop our prospects too. Eakins was shit ass coach playing vets and not prioritizing development of youngsters. Wanted to win to get a nhl gig.

I don't think so. Both guys projected to be third liners the very day they were drafted.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 09:03 PM
the Biggs pick is Burke wanted the next Lucic and seen that in Biggs. Problem is the likely hood of another Lucic coming along anytime soon is rare.

He gambled and lost.

Biggs was all projection, he was shit in the USHL offensively during his draft year. Picking him that high was all offensive projection, with no track record at all....shit, he actually produced less in his pre draft season in the USHL than he did as a ****ing 16 yr old in the USHL. It's was a horrific draft pick from the onset. It irks me when people group Biggs & Gauthier together.

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 09:04 PM
We've been over it before...but Biggs are Gauthier aren't in the same stratosphere for upside. Biggs was shit and always was shit. Gauthier has all the makings of a really good 2nd line centre.

You made an awesome call, right from the onset on Biggs. On Gauthier, you're probably going to be shown to be wrong. It might take a bit for him to develop, but the kid is huge, mean, fast, with plus offensive tools that he hasn't entirely put together yet (partially due to opportunity).

As I've said many many times before... if it happens, I'll be happy to admit I was wrong.

JackBurton
03-29-2014, 09:04 PM
Go for talent. **** the "Intangibles". Don't waste first rounders on projected third rounders.

soco22
03-29-2014, 09:05 PM
I don't think so. Both guys projected to be third liners the very day they were drafted.

Was a general comment about how we haven't developed many top tier guys. One thing to draft talent, another to develop it right.

Gunnar, kuli, kadri only guys to go through our system that are regulars on this team (don't include reilly, as he made jump from junior).

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 09:05 PM
Biggs was all projection, he was shit in the USHL offensively during his draft year. Picking him that high was all offensive projection, with no track record at all....shit, he actually produced less in his pre draft season in the USHL than he did as a ****ing 16 yr old in the USHL. It's was a horrific draft pick from the onset. It irks me when people group Biggs & Gauthier together.

It's just a similar philosophy even if Biggs blows and Gauthier will probably be a useful player. I don't see anything wrong with grouping them together in this respect.

Artnes
03-29-2014, 09:09 PM
Jerry D better have a spot on this team next year. Love the kids hustle

Montana
03-29-2014, 09:10 PM
You go back and look at the names of those that me, HL, and a few others were very vocal about wanting....that were all available when that Biggs pick was made, and nearly all of them have panned out/improved their stock since draft day.


It's sickening.

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 09:12 PM
You go back and look at the names of those that me, HL, and a few others were very vocal about wanting....that were all available when that Biggs pick was made, and nearly all of them have panned out/improved their stock since draft day.

It's sickening.

I wasn't mad when they picked Gauthier. It wasn't the type of pick I'd like to have seen made but oh well - Biggs I was pretty ****ing mad about.

soco22
03-29-2014, 09:12 PM
Jerry D better have a spot on this team next year. Love the kids hustle

We need to dump Orr, franson and mcclement to let kids play. Bonus if can add clarkson to that, but not holding my breath.

JackBurton
03-29-2014, 09:12 PM
"One Trick Pony" has more points than anyone the last 3 years asswipe.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 09:14 PM
Go for talent. **** the "Intangibles". Don't waste first rounders on projected third rounders.

Kid doesn't project as a 3rd liner imo. Don't care what the staff said on draft day, every time I see the kid play his tools scream out. In the baseball community, they use the term "play up" for a guy whose tools are better against higher level pros than they were in the minor leagues. I think the NHL style of play is perfect for his toolkit. His tools will "play up" as a pro once he learns to use his size against NHL players.

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 09:15 PM
Holy **** is this team ever ****ing awful defensively!!

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:16 PM
"One Trick Pony" has more points than anyone the last 3 years asswipe.

I fvcking hate that bitter former Leaf backup. Healey was Toskala bad, preaching about "one trick pony's" for the CBC. What an ass.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:16 PM
Kadri demoted

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 09:17 PM
Jerry D better have a spot on this team next year. Love the kids hustle

Awesome, cheap, homegrown, fast, physical...

Should have played all season for the big club.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:17 PM
Kadri on the 4th line, benched the last 4 minutes of the second. He is just coasting out there, no sense of urgency. Frustrating player.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:18 PM
I fvcking hate that bitter former Leaf backup. Healey was Toskala bad, preaching about "one trick pony's" for the CBC. What an ass.

To be fair he is a one trick pony, he's all offense all the time, it's not a knock its true, before people go nuts I think Kessel is one of the best wingers in the NHL but his forte is strictly offense.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:18 PM
****ing Gardiner.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:19 PM
Going to be interesting what Tim L does to this team in the off season

mbow30
03-29-2014, 09:19 PM
Once again, tey lean on gardiner and he goes to shambles.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:20 PM
This team sucks shit

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:20 PM
THANK GOD FOR CODY FRANSON!
Tank Nation is upon us.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:20 PM
Cody Franson folks.

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 09:21 PM
Man the lifeboats folks.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:21 PM
Once again, tey lean on gardiner and he goes to shambles.

Yup, I am sick of him. I am all for trading him, don't care anymore. Package him off with Kadri.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:21 PM
Man the lifeboats folks.

Time to send a search party out to find the debris, this Leafs team has just done a nosedive into the ocean,

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:21 PM
Go Raptors and TFC

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 09:22 PM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/M6A1_heavy_tank_TM9-2800_p122.jpg/800px-M6A1_heavy_tank_TM9-2800_p122.jpg

Feyd
03-29-2014, 09:22 PM
Kadri is a lazy ****. Holy moly.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:22 PM
To be fair he is a one trick pony, he's all offense all the time, it's not a knock its true, before people go nuts I think Kessel is one of the best wingers in the NHL but his forte is strictly offense.

To be fair, that's bullshit.
Of course his forte is offense, but the guy is very defensively aware. Fills in at the blue line for pinching defenders. Takes the open guy on the backcheck. Reads plays extremely well.
Healey is a whiney dunce.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:23 PM
FU Franson!

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 09:23 PM
I hate Franson so much.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:24 PM
I hate Franson so much.

He's a hero tonight, helping the Leafs collapse.... love it :D

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 09:24 PM
Take a hike Franson.

leaffan2005
03-29-2014, 09:25 PM
Heartless punch of pukes we have here ladies and gentlemen. Do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:25 PM
Massive overhaul this off season, massive shake up needed.

JackBurton
03-29-2014, 09:25 PM
To be fair he is a one trick pony, he's all offense all the time, it's not a knock its true, before people go nuts I think Kessel is one of the best wingers in the NHL but his forte is strictly offense.

When someone scores that much in that many ways, it's hard to call them a one trick pony.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:26 PM
Heartless punch of pukes we have here ladies and gentlemen. Do not deserve to be in the playoffs.

This! I feel sorry for the blind leaf fans who even think this team has a shot, time for their hearts to break now better then being lead on. I fully expect a legit rebuild this offseason.

mbow30
03-29-2014, 09:26 PM
Franson is the dumbest hockey player i have ever seen. He has some of the tools but no ****in toolbox. Just a brain dead ****. Paires with gardiners decision making -- fookin disaster as my irish buddy would say.

Feyd
03-29-2014, 09:26 PM
Bring back Komarov!

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:26 PM
Can't sit Franson! He's the anchor of our top PP!
He must give Carlyle great blowjobs.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:26 PM
When someone scores that much in that many ways, it's hard to call them a one trick pony.

When I say "one trick pony" I mean he's all offense, not that he's a pure goal scorer.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:27 PM
http://46wvda23y0nl13db2j3bl1yxxln.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Randy_Carlyle.jpg

http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/1661195/1297361827048_ORIGINAL.jpg

http://i.cbc.ca/1.1869087.1380201153!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/franson-cody-130316.jpg

http://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/sports/leafs/2013/12/13/maple_leafs_david_clarkson_faces_disciplinary_hear ing/david_clarkson.jpg.size.xxlarge.promo.jpg

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 09:27 PM
Darren Helm has a hat trick.

Darren ****ing Helm.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:27 PM
Can't sit Franson! He's the anchor of our top PP!
He must give Carlyle great blowjobs.

I bet Carlyle think's he's got a nice tip lol.

soco22
03-29-2014, 09:28 PM
When I say "one trick pony" I mean he's all offense, not that he's a pure goal scorer.

Google definition of one trick pony...might assist you with discussion

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:32 PM
Clarkson falling twice without the puck. lol! Way to earn your bucks, Davey.

leaffan2005
03-29-2014, 09:33 PM
Boo'ed off the ice. Just embarrassing stuff.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:34 PM
LET'S GO RED WINGS!
LET'S GO RED WINGS!
LET'S GO RED WINGS!

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:35 PM
How much dead cap space do we have next year? Gleason/Clarkson is almost 10 million, who else?

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:36 PM
Will we get another one of these?

3497

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:36 PM
I am embarrassed to say I am a Leaf fan to people.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 09:37 PM
Bring back Komarov!

Don't joke. Dude plays centre, I'd seriously consider bringing him back as our 4th line centre.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:37 PM
I am really down on Kadri and Gardiner.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:38 PM
LOL even CBC wants to spare Leafs fans misery by switching over to the Habs game.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:40 PM
Bunch of gutless losers. No heart, no leadership.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:40 PM
Fire Carlyle and serious overhaul needed.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 09:40 PM
Fire Carlyle and serious overhaul needed.

Yup.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:42 PM
LOL even CBC wants to spare Leafs fans misery by switching over to the Habs game.

CBC tech: "Watch this..." (hits the button to switch to the Habs game)

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:42 PM
These guys don't give a shit.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-29-2014, 09:43 PM
Nonis and Carlyle have to be fired. No way either can come back.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 09:51 PM
Gutless.
One line doing their job down the stretch. One line.
Reimer given a glorious chance to win back some starting time, and some confidence. Starts it off by holding the line on the game he's put in on, then proceeds to Toskala his way out of town.
Carlyle decides to rush Bernier back, who plays like shit, no shit, because he's still injured. WTF.
Outside of our top line, who put out any effort? Reilly. Gardiner. Bodie. Raymond. Lupul.
Bunch of gutless guys who've clearly tuned out Carlyle.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 09:53 PM
Clarkson will be bought out for sure

Killer93
03-29-2014, 10:04 PM
@reporterchris: Phil Kessel is having his foot X-rayed at Air Canada Centre.

Leafyblue
03-29-2014, 10:08 PM
Rest of team having their heads x-rayed.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 10:08 PM
I am really down on Kadri and Gardiner.

Not enough veterans to show them the way.

Killer93
03-29-2014, 10:08 PM
@Hope_Smoke: Nonis on Clarkson "we know the type of player we're getting. It's a great mix of skill, character and grit." 0 points in last 16 games

**** you Nonis; sad thing is we ALL CALLED IT HERE

JackBurton
03-29-2014, 10:09 PM
Clarkson will be bought out for sure

I don't see it.

JackBurton
03-29-2014, 10:10 PM
I said last summer. I thought Nonis should have left things alone. He made the team worse.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 10:13 PM
Rest of team having their heads x-rayed.

I thought it was a chest xray they were getting... you know, to look for a heart?

Leafyblue
03-29-2014, 10:25 PM
So...the Leafs chance of making the playoffs is now 13 percent?

worm
03-29-2014, 10:26 PM
pretty have to win out now

JackBurton
03-29-2014, 10:34 PM
So this is 3 straight years this team has choked horribly.

MindzEye
03-29-2014, 10:41 PM
So this is 3 straight years this team has choked horribly.

The kids need insulation...better (more) leadership in the room and on the ice, and a new voice/system running the ship. Winning is a habit, and it's best learned through following the habits of other winners. It's why Detroit does such a solid job producing hockey players. One generation of winners showing the next. Even when they look like they're on their last legs, they're still a tough team to play against.

worm
03-29-2014, 10:50 PM
So this is 3 straight years this team has choked horribly.

i honestly cant remember...what happened 3 years ago?

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 10:57 PM
i honestly cant remember...what happened 3 years ago?

18 wheeler off the cliff. Leafs were in a playoff spot and went on a death spiral for Rielly late in the season.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 11:04 PM
I said last summer. I thought Nonis should have left things alone. He made the team worse.

I disagree with this.

1. Trades a fringer player, 2nd rounder and backup for Bernier who has a 25-19-7 record with a .920 plus % and argulably has kept us in the race this season

2. Buys out Grabo- Maybe he goofed on the buyout but Grabo wanted out due to conflict with the coach. Bozak wasn't coming down of the 1st line and Kadri was outplaying him, that left the 3C role but it's clear Nonis was looking for a two way guy down the middle and he brought in Bolland who is a much better 2 way guy, in fairness though Nonis had no idea Bolland would suffer that freak injury

3. Signs Raymond to a 1 year deal/1M and he comes in and puts up 40 plus points, that's pretty good for the signing

4. The big ****up on his end was signing Clarkson to the albatross contract, not sure what he was thinking by signing him to that kind of term.

All in all, I don't think he necessairly made this team worse last offseason.

worm
03-29-2014, 11:06 PM
18 wheeler off the cliff. Leafs were in a playoff spot and went on a death spiral for Rielly late in the season.

Maybe I was paying too much attention to the habs sucking ass to remember this. Doesnt even ring a bell.

LeafOfFaith
03-29-2014, 11:18 PM
****ing garbage. Who'd have thought 8 games would be enough to ruin an otherwise pretty awesome season.

**** these guys, and most of all, **** Carlyle who can't get them to play any kind of system and the same damn mistakes game in game out.

Piece of shit coach. I hated him from the beginning, wanted to kill him after game 7, and want to kill him tonight.

Bring in Dougie Gilmour as coach to give this team an infusion of heart and soul.

hockeylover
03-29-2014, 11:20 PM
8 regulation losses. That's really killer. Not even playing well enough to pick up loser points in a league where almost anybody can.

This is an epic, epic losing streak.

LeafOfFaith
03-29-2014, 11:25 PM
I thought maybe Nonis was going to can Carlyle before Friday's game.

Turns out he should have. We needed a total change of style and mood in order to get us over the hump.

And now it's over.

Volcanologist
03-29-2014, 11:28 PM
Reality is they were done as soon as Bernier got hurt.

This team isn't going to win a lot of games without getting great goaltending.

LeafOfFaith
03-29-2014, 11:33 PM
Reimer's collapse wasn't foreseeable. He's pretty much never done that badly.

The team just lacked any sort of drive.

What was amazing about us last year was that we were SO hard to play against. We were hitting everything in sight, we were one of the fastest teams, we blocked shots from all over, we had a great forecheck, the PK was great because they never gave the other team a second with the puck, and so on.

This all comes from effort. The effort just wasn't there this year. How many times did players let up on hits? All the ****ing time. The forwards are always floating back. The dmen seem to always lose assignments. I just don't believe that all these good players are really bad players. They're playing either no system or a ****ed up system and falling prey to teams that are well organized and just on their game. Carlyle is the architect of this shit and he better be gone after this laughingstock end to the season.

LeafOfFaith
03-29-2014, 11:36 PM
And for all that's said about Gardiner, the kid tries, and tries hard. He's such a talent and is still just finding his game. Rielly is obviously a bit advanced for his age and experience, but there's no reason to compare them. They're both going to be absolute beasts back there for the next decade if we're smart enough to hold onto both and keep developing them.

And not sure why anyone in the other thread is even considering trading JVR. The guy is a star, an absolute stud who is also a relative baby.

The one that worries me from the core is Kadri. He's had his opportunities and seems to get points in his sleep, but that's just it, he's sort of mostly sleeping out there. Where's the fire or leadership? I've seen none this season from him.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 11:37 PM
Reimer's collapse wasn't foreseeable. He's pretty much never done that badly.

Reimer didn't collapse, IMO. He simply gave up. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and made sure to send that message.

LeafOfFaith
03-29-2014, 11:38 PM
No professional athlete does that, especially one without a contract next year.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 11:40 PM
And for all that's said about Gardiner, the kid tries, and tries hard. He's such a talent and is still just finding his game. Rielly is obviously a bit advanced for his age and experience, but there's no reason to compare them. They're both going to be absolute beasts back there for the next decade if we're smart enough to hold onto both and keep developing them.
Agreed, but not under Carlyle.


And not sure why anyone in the other thread is even considering trading JVR. The guy is a star, an absolute stud who is also a relative baby.
He'd give us the best return in a trade is the logic, but I agree with you that we should keep him.


The one that worries me from the core is Kadri. He's had his opportunities and seems to get points in his sleep, but that's just it, he's sort of mostly sleeping out there. Where's the fire or leadership? I've seen none this season from him.

Perhaps we should ask Double Dion?

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 11:41 PM
No professional athlete does that, especially one without a contract next year.

Grabo says hi.

Pronger84
03-29-2014, 11:47 PM
Reimer didn't collapse, IMO. He simply gave up. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and made sure to send that message.

Then Reimer's an idiot, if he wants to be a #1 on any other team in this league he blew his chances to kingdom com, no team is going to take on a guy who is that unprofessional.

I don't think he gave up, I think he sulked on the bench though and when he came in his confidence was shot to hell and he gave up a lot of bad goals along the way though.

blacksheep
03-29-2014, 11:57 PM
Bernier let in two goals in just over a minute tonight. If that were Reimer, he'd have been benched. I know Bernier is not 100% because of injury, but Reimer didn't have the same luxury coming back from concussion.
His confidence was shot? Yeah, I think I know why.
In any case, he's done here, just like he wanted.

Pronger84
03-30-2014, 12:01 AM
Bernier let in two goals in just over a minute tonight. If that were Reimer, he'd have been benched. I know Bernier is not 100% because of injury, but Reimer didn't have the same luxury coming back from concussion.
His confidence was shot? Yeah, I think I know why.
In any case, he's done here, just like he wanted.

Bernier can't be faulted for the first goal, he was left wide open on a 2on0 in front and it was a great goal, the 2nd was a stinker that never should have went in.

CTheBigPicture
03-30-2014, 12:06 AM
I'd be shocked if Clarkson gets bought off. In fact I don't advocate it. Would hurt us too much long term

Preston_Mizzi
03-30-2014, 12:09 AM
It hurts us even more long-term to keep him. It's addition by subtraction. It may be best to trade him and retain a bunch of salary though. It won't be easy to find a team willing, but there a lot of stupid GM's out there.

Pronger84
03-30-2014, 12:29 AM
It hurts us even more long-term to keep him. It's addition by subtraction. It may be best to trade him and retain a bunch of salary though. It won't be easy to find a team willing, but there a lot of stupid GM's out there.

Oilers wanted him bad last offseason, and they are in desperate need of a blueliner and are looking to unload that migit Gagner. Why not do Clarkson+ Franson (we retain a portion of Clarkson's salary) in return for Gagner and a 3rd ? I know Gagner is the last thing we need but hey if it means unleashing Clarkson why not?

leafman101
03-30-2014, 12:56 AM
This really is unbelievable. Only the Leafs could pull off something like this.

All they had to do was not lose every game. Even an extra 2-3 points right now and they are fine.

Unreal.

leafman101
03-30-2014, 12:56 AM
At least we have Rielly though.

Pronger84
03-30-2014, 01:20 AM
This really is unbelievable. Only the Leafs could pull off something like this.

All they had to do was not lose every game. Even an extra 2-3 points right now and they are fine.

Unreal.

This team has shown exposed it's real colors to the world which is they have skill/speed but man do they lack leadership, team defensive prowness and maturity. Finally this team is being shown for what it really is a team that hides behind their 1st line and goalie but has little else to offer up, now time for management to get to work and fix this team up.

trujaysfan
03-30-2014, 01:56 AM
Was at the game tonight and well lets just say the building went after the SH goal.

Also ACC security is not very good, had a fellow leafs fan upset with me waiting for me outside the section and they did nothing.

mbow30
03-30-2014, 02:50 AM
Reimer didn't collapse, IMO. He simply gave up. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and made sure to send that message.

what's funny is that him 'giving up' is way, way, way, way way worse than him collapsing

mbow30
03-30-2014, 02:52 AM
i dont know why people are bitching about kadri. he showed up tonight. he drew two penalties by moving his feet, trying to make things happen and playing in danger areas.

the guys who really disappointed are lupul and phaneuf. phaneuf just toally fell apart over the last few weeks. lupul played like a selfish prick.

Pronger84
03-30-2014, 04:15 AM
i dont know why people are bitching about kadri. he showed up tonight. he drew two penalties by moving his feet, trying to make things happen and playing in danger areas.

the guys who really disappointed are lupul and phaneuf. phaneuf just toally fell apart over the last few weeks. lupul played like a selfish prick.

I was never on the Kadri boat, used to be iffy with him but he won me over last season. This year he's got what close to 50 points? That's decent totals for a 2nd liner, even more remarkable he's played with a streaky Lupul and a dead anchor in Clarkson.... the kid has been the least of the problems this season.

Yea I don't get Phaneuf either, man he was coming into his own these past 2-3 seasons and showed a lot of growth but he's gone south at the worst possible time and tonight he just stands around on at least one of the wings goals.... he's showing his true colors as well.

uncus
03-30-2014, 07:27 AM
QUOTE=mbow30;2307226]i dont know why people are bitching about kadri. he showed up tonight. he drew two penalties by moving his feet, trying to make things happen and playing in danger areas.

the guys who really disappointed are lupul and phaneuf. phaneuf just toally fell apart over the last few weeks. lupul played like a selfish prick.[/QUOTE]

Got to agree here .... Phaneuf is lazy and slow out there on a lot of plays, but he is what he is ..... is he a 7 million dollar player (I don't think so) but how do the leafs replace those 23 minutes a game? Maybe by committee and maybe reilly grows into them quickly. See if Edmonton will take Phaneuf but they have to take Clarkson too. (we get one of their 6 spot babies and a draft choice).
As for Lupul I have been thinking for a while that this guy is a selfish prick out there. He can be moved for a decent return but do you want to lose that talent on a team devoid of any offensive talent after Kessel, Bozak kadri and JVR. I say keep him and find him a talented winger to play with him... like a Vanek.
TL needs to take a trip down to LA and bring Gretzky into the fold as the new overlord of the hockey team, then they need to quickly board their private jet and fly it to london and visit Mr Hunter for a little chit chat and measure the interest of the best coach not in the NHL for coaching the leafs. The leafs need something new ... a new direction in terms of team identity. You have a lot of young players, so get a coach who can relate and deal with the youngsters ...
Bring in Roberts and Tochett as assistant coaches or a team fitness guru ......
Don't get rid of Gardiner (unless the new coach doesn't want this type of player in his defensive group) .... he makes a lot of mistakes and probably will for another year or two but if he can begin to grasp the defensive responsibilities of his position than he will be a player that everyone will want to have on their team (he has heart).
Reilly and Gardiner ... what a combo for any team in the near future. They will rival anything any other team in the league can put out there each night.
If they fall short this season then so be it ...... the real question for whoever is in charge this off season is what to do with kadri, phaneuf (he clearly shouldn't be the captain on this team but how do you take it away from him without trading him) Clarkson and what type of coach or team do you want (I have said from day one that this team is very very soft) .....
I wouldn't resign Kulimen, Orr or Raymond ... D`Amigo, Ashton and Broll should be given the opportunity to do their jobs for much much cheaper.
If Kadri is traded then I would resign Bolland ... but MCidiotclemond would be gone in a heartbeat (he is suppose to be the penalty killing specialist yet their PK sucks?)
JMHO

leafman101
03-30-2014, 07:29 AM
Phaneuf, Franson, Kadri, Bernier, Kessel... When you lose 8 in a row at this time of year you really can't isolate one or two things or one or two players. Everything has gone wrong. And everyone.

Not a single point for 8 games? Thats just ridiculous. Literally all they needed was a win, or a couple of OT losses. 1-7-0 would have been perfect.

Leafyblue
03-30-2014, 07:35 AM
It would be nice to see the ACC pretty much empty for the remaining Home games. Send a real message. Not gonna happen obviously...but..

Habsy
03-30-2014, 10:42 AM
The kids need insulation...better (more) leadership in the room and on the ice, and a new voice/system running the ship. Winning is a habit, and it's best learned through following the habits of other winners. It's why Detroit does such a solid job producing hockey players. One generation of winners showing the next. Even when they look like they're on their last legs, they're still a tough team to play against.

This.

Gionta has lost three steps on the ice and is now on the third line but both GM and Coach credit him with a ton of praise for how he's handling the team in the locker room.

The Leafs needed to pick up some veteran that has been a perennial playoff guy that could help calm shit down.

LeafOfFaith
03-30-2014, 12:53 PM
Bolland?

soco22
03-30-2014, 01:18 PM
Bolland?

Be nice to have a vet voice in top 6/top 4...lupul doesn't appear to be that voice needed.

JackBurton
03-30-2014, 01:55 PM
I'd be shocked if Clarkson gets bought off. In fact I don't advocate it. Would hurt us too much long term

Same here. It's far too soon. Too many years left. You have to see what he can do next season.

JackBurton
03-30-2014, 01:57 PM
Reimer didn't collapse, IMO. He simply gave up. He doesn't want to be here anymore, and made sure to send that message.

He's killing his career then. He's a moron. His value and reputation has plummeted because of this. There's so few jobs for goalies in the NHl.

ForeverTML
03-30-2014, 02:05 PM
What is extremely sad and hilarious at the same time is how some in this board completely balked and shot down the mere assertion that it could be a coaching problem with this team - earlier this year. I mean, all you have to do is go back and review the posts from january and december. It was considered blasphemous by many regular posters to even suggest that Randy was a shit coach.

My god, how things can change in a few weeks.

rated
03-30-2014, 02:07 PM
What is extremely sad and hilarious at the same time is how some in this board completely balked and shot down the mere assertion that it could be a coaching problem with this team - earlier this year. I mean, all you have to do is go back and review the posts from january and december. It was considered blasphemous by many regular posters to even suggest that Randy was a shit coach.

My god, how things can change in a few weeks.

No, all season long it's been the same. Leafa lose and as want the coach fired. We win and we don't really hear about it.

zeke
03-30-2014, 02:07 PM
This so so damn sad and embarassing. Fuxk me.

ForeverTML
03-30-2014, 02:09 PM
heh, it seemed like Randy had made the right decisions by sitting mcclaren and fraser for a while, but it didnt take him long to go back to bad habits. And this losing streak pretty much cemented the idea that he is ineffective at best.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-30-2014, 04:01 PM
Phaneuf on for 3 goals against, again last night. He is down to a plus+5 now from a plus+12 three games ago. In the last 3 games he has been on for 10 of the last 11 goals scored.

LeafOfFaith
03-30-2014, 05:48 PM
He used to be like +20 not too long ago.

uncus
03-30-2014, 07:32 PM
He is and has been a contract player ... just watch and see .....

uncus
03-30-2014, 07:39 PM
heh, it seemed like Randy had made the right decisions by sitting mcclaren and fraser for a while, but it didnt take him long to go back to bad habits. And this losing streak pretty much cemented the idea that he is ineffective at best.


He went back to the past because it worked in the past ... unfortunately the leafs could kill off the penalties last season so they could be instigators but this season that shit head McFuc-head couldn't help with anything and unfortunately to the disdain of others on this board, kulimen has been a soft player for the most part, turning away from hits that were available and missing glorious scoring chances ... I would rather have Leo than Kulimen.