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mbow30
03-30-2014, 04:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ErVeNJZxQM&noredirect=1

14 points in his past 28 games.

He has 11 pp assists, which is tied for 22nd in the league -- his ppg pace would bring him up to 17th -- and he's doing that on the second unit, with 126 of total pp ice time (1:53/game).

he is currently with the following defensemen in pp assists:

E Johnson (189/2:87)
J Johnson (234/3:09)
Sekera (193/2:40)
Gelinas (133/2:24)
McDonagh (213/2:50)
Niskanen (223/3:00)
Fowler (225/3:21)
Goligoski (234/3:21)

Rielly is the youngest on that list by three years.

his rookie season needs to be put in context. Yes, he has had some struggles defensively, like any 19 year old defenseman. He has shown steady improvement throughout the season, has demonstrated that he can produce in an offensive role, and has not looked out of place in the NHL.

We have a lot to be excited about here. He isn't getting a ton of fanfare, but this is easily the best rookie season by a Leafs defenseman in my lifetime.

hockeylover
03-30-2014, 04:55 PM
Love him.


but this is easily the best rookie season by a Leafs defenseman in my lifetime.

Yep, I'd say so.

leafman101
03-30-2014, 05:19 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8jbFpVmYsc

rated
03-30-2014, 05:55 PM
Going to be fun watching him play for years

Pronger84
03-30-2014, 06:27 PM
I'm blown away by Rielly, I've never been a fan of offensive defencmen but this kid's an exception. He skates like the wind out there, he's incredibly calm out there you rarely see him make a bad pass or pinch and when he does get up ice he's the 1st one back and I love how he uses his body to angle the opposition off the puck as well.

He's a gem.

JackBurton
03-30-2014, 06:58 PM
He is fantastic. We've got a really special player.

uncus
03-30-2014, 07:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ErVeNJZxQM&noredirect=1

14 points in his past 28 games.

He has 11 pp assists, which is tied for 22nd in the league -- his ppg pace would bring him up to 17th -- and he's doing that on the second unit, with 126 of total pp ice time (1:53/game).

he is currently with the following defensemen in pp assists:

E Johnson (189/2:87)
J Johnson (234/3:09)
Sekera (193/2:40)
Gelinas (133/2:24)
McDonagh (213/2:50)
Niskanen (223/3:00)
Fowler (225/3:21)
Goligoski (234/3:21)

Rielly is the youngest on that list by three years.

his rookie season needs to be put in context. Yes, he has had some struggles defensively, like any 19 year old defenseman. He has shown steady improvement throughout the season, has demonstrated that he can produce in an offensive role, and has not looked out of place in the NHL.

We have a lot to be excited about here. He isn't getting a ton of fanfare, but this is easily the best rookie season by a Leafs defenseman in my lifetime.

He has cost the leafs a few games this season ..... he is learning but he has to get stronger, only natural for a player of his age (put him with Roberts and fuc- the insecure trainers that don't want to use Roberts)... how many games did Bourque cost the bruins?
I think he and Gardiner could be an incredible asset for the leafs in the future ... heck I think that Finn and Percy and McWilliams will all be perfect complimentary defencemen in the future ...... build slowly with small steps .....
Bring in the proper coaching and stay the course and bring in the one thing needed for this defence core ... a giant of a man that can become that horrible nightmare that most forwards hate to encounter .. Tyler Myers can be that guy and with the others will put the leafs into the playoffs in the next few years for a couple of decades.

JaysCyYoung
03-30-2014, 07:38 PM
You're comparing Rielly to arguably the second best defenceman of all-time and wondering why he has had periods of struggle at age nineteen?

Folly.

Anyways, Rielly has certainly been a shining beacon of hope in what has turned out to be a disappointing campaign. He's got a phenomenal ceiling and has a chance to develop into the best Leafs defender of his generation.

Truly a special, rare talent.

ForeverTML
03-30-2014, 07:49 PM
Reilly was awesome last night.

Sad that it had to be left to a 19 year old rookie to make several excellent desparate plays while the other stiffs just took it like it was just another game.

leafman101
03-30-2014, 08:02 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHGtc3g2qC8

MindzEye
03-30-2014, 11:17 PM
The kid is going to be so, so sick.

Pronger84
03-30-2014, 11:25 PM
I loved that pass he made to Lupul when he was on his ass, not sure what was better the pass Rielly made or the pad save Howard made on Lupul in that sequence.

LeafGm
03-30-2014, 11:30 PM
Hopefully we can make another smart pick at wherever we're choosing this year. Maybe the top-10.

LeafOfFaith
03-31-2014, 12:05 AM
Hopefully we use it to trade for a top 3 pick and take a gamebreaking center.

JackBurton
03-31-2014, 12:07 AM
I hope we trade our first rounder to get much better.

Pronger84
03-31-2014, 12:09 AM
I hope we trade our first rounder to get much better.

Right now the cards we have to dangle are: Kessel, JVR, Phaneuf, Bernier, Rielly, Kadri, Gardiner and our 1st rounder... those are the bait you use if you want to go deep sea fishing, your just going to catch minnows with everyone else on this roster

zeke
03-31-2014, 12:40 AM
With all the forwards looking like duds (Yakupov, Galchenyuk, Forsberg, Grigorenko), the 2012 draft is looking like a ridiculously awesome D-man draft.


J.Trouba (#9): 58gms, 8gls, 26pts, 95ht, 117bk, 22:33 (82gms, 11gls, 37pts, 134ht, 165bk)
O.Maatta (#22): 73gms, 9gls, 29pts, 35ht, 110bk, 18:28 (82gms, 10gls, 33pts, 39ht, 124bk)
M.Rielly (#5): 67gms, 2gls, 26pts, 91ht, 84bk, 17:42 (82gms, 3gls, 32pts, 111ht, 103bk)
H.Lindholm (#6): 70gms, 5gls, 26pts, 48ht, 55bk, 19:25 (82gms, 6gls, 31pts, 56ht, 64bk)
R.Murray (#2): 61gms, 3gls, 20pts, 25ht 93bk, 19:47 (82gms, 4gls, 27pts, 34ht, 125bk)


Too bad for the Isles that they picked the one dud in Reinhart. They are so bad at scouting its crazy. Dumba's not a great pick either but at least he's producing in junior a bit.

And let's remember that Finn was in this draft class, and ranked alongside most of these guys heading into the draft.

Habsy
03-31-2014, 09:51 AM
Galchenyuk is looking like a dud?

You need glasses. I will remind you that you claimed this in the future when you try and tell people you knew he was good all along.

JackBurton
03-31-2014, 10:09 AM
Galchenyuk looks great to me. Every other forward, not so much.

Reinhart was the "Luke Schenn" of the 2012' draft class. Not much talent there at all. He should not have gone that high given his abilities.

Volcanologist
03-31-2014, 10:10 AM
yeah, I've been really happy with Rielly's first season too. He hasn't been allowed to play as many minutes under Randy as maybe I think he should, but his rook production is encouraging.

He's a solid hope at us finally getting a true star in the first round. Could easily see a guy with that skating and offensive ability being on our top pair soon.

leafman101
03-31-2014, 10:12 AM
I think Zeke meant more that none of the forwards look like superstar #1 picks, not that they are all busts.

CRL
03-31-2014, 10:13 AM
so, what is the final numbers on team performance with/out Clarkson ?

Habsy
03-31-2014, 10:14 AM
I think Zeke meant more that none of the forwards look like superstar #1 picks, not that they are all busts.

What are you his lawyer? Dud means dud.

Rielly is an impressive player, I like the kids game. I also like Galchenyuk's game. His sophomore season was marred with injury half way through and he's been bounced around lines mercilessly. If you watch the games though you can see the sick skill he has. He just needs to put it all together. He just turned 20 so he'll get there.

leafman101
03-31-2014, 10:18 AM
Yeah he does have sick skill, but he's not Tavares, Stamkos, Kane, Hall, MacKinnon, Seguin etc.

Artnes
03-31-2014, 11:02 AM
I hope we trade our first rounder to get much better.

I am on board this train if the right deal is there.

Another top pairing guy to share the load with Dion or someone to beef up down the middle would be the target

JackBurton
03-31-2014, 11:53 AM
I am on board this train if the right deal is there.

Another top pairing guy to share the load with Dion or someone to beef up down the middle would be the target

Yup. It would have to be for a guy to share top minutes with Dion. Buffalo is a team who would love a first rounder. Take a shot at Myers. I don't see Giordano moving in Calgary at all.

zeke
03-31-2014, 01:49 PM
Galchenyuk is looking like a dud?

You need glasses. I will remind you that you claimed this in the future when you try and tell people you knew he was good all along.

Dud.

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LeafOfFaith
03-31-2014, 02:33 PM
Yup. It would have to be for a guy to share top minutes with Dion. Buffalo is a team who would love a first rounder. Take a shot at Myers. I don't see Giordano moving in Calgary at all.

Edmonton is still the team to make a deal with.

Franson, Reimer, and our 1st, for their 1st.

Artnes
03-31-2014, 02:40 PM
We will see after the lottery what Edmonton plans to do. If they win they are keeping that pick and taking Ekblad. If not they flip it for help on the blueline or down the middle.

TimHorton
03-31-2014, 02:52 PM
Why would Edmonton trade for a goalie after signing 2 of them? And why would they trade a pick when they can finally just take a generational defenseman?

worm
03-31-2014, 03:07 PM
Why would Edmonton trade for a goalie after signing 2 of them? And why would they trade a pick when they can finally just take a generational defenseman?

First Name: Kevin
Last Name: Lowe

TimHorton
03-31-2014, 03:08 PM
First Name: Kevin
Last Name: Lowe

Touché!

CH1
03-31-2014, 03:17 PM
Anyone with 6 Stanley Cup rings knows you can never have enough goaltending.

Habsy
03-31-2014, 05:15 PM
Dud.

simpsonsscreenshots.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/dud.png

You're on record sir. Don't try changing your view in the future.

CH1
03-31-2014, 05:23 PM
Tyler Seguin was considered a dud here six months ago.

Volcanologist
03-31-2014, 05:28 PM
what?

TimHorton
03-31-2014, 05:30 PM
Hey, don't make him prove things.

CH1
03-31-2014, 05:31 PM
I can't prove it. Habsy's server attacks destroyed all the records.

leafman101
03-31-2014, 05:40 PM
Seguin scored 67 points at Galchenyuk's age.

CH1
03-31-2014, 05:42 PM
Scratch that. it took me all of 3 mins.


He's got tremendous potential obviously, but if he was on a 55 point pace in Boston how much better can one reasonably expect him to perform for the Stars?


Although we all hate the Bruins it's hard not to like what Chiarelli did here. He parlayed the overrated notion of Seguin's "potential" to get another more established youngster with size and three 70 point seasons under his belt.



I love this trade for Boston. Seguin was nothing more than a highly skilled, carousing airhead for them.

Volcanologist
03-31-2014, 06:06 PM
so that's "here"?

JaysCyYoung
03-31-2014, 06:07 PM
Tyler Seguin was considered a dud here six months ago.

I'm the second quote, but that doesn't mean I thought Seguin was a dud. If you look at my draft thread from 2010, I ranked him ahead of Taylor Hall and thought he'd be the best player from that draft.

And he's a better player than Hall now despite many people feeling to the contrary.

I merely assumed that Boston wouldn't be receiving a concussed Loui Eriksson. Reilly Smith has been tremendous for them though.

CH1
03-31-2014, 06:13 PM
I'm the second quote, but that doesn't mean I thought Seguin was a dud. If you look at my draft thread from 2010, I ranked him ahead of Taylor Hall and thought he'd be the best player from that draft.

And he's a better player than Hall now despite many people feeling to the contrary.

I merely assumed that Boston wouldn't be receiving a concussed Loui Eriksson. Reilly Smith has been tremendous for them though.

didn't mean to single you out...my point was that most young guys (other than the generational types) see their perceived value rise and fall with all the volatility of a new social media stock. Chuckie is a dud one day, a very special talent the next. Just grist for the mill until they take the big leap forward. It doesn't bother me that zeke called Chuckie a dud as nobody knows what happens next.

JaysCyYoung
03-31-2014, 06:16 PM
Galchenyuk is a phenomenal talent. I fully expect him to be a perennial PPG player for years to come in Montreal.

The problem stems from the fact that, as you alluded to, expectations with youngsters these days are entirely unrealistic. I don't think that very many fans have an idea of how to correctly gauge a youngster's development curve. Progression with young players doesn't always happen at a linear pace. They often stagnate or fail to incrementally improve when one would expect them to take that next step, or they exceed expectations out of the gate and then later depreciate in value (i.e. Luke Schenn).

A guy like Mikkel Boedker in Phoenix is having a 20/55 season years after being deemed a bust because he wasn't productive right out of the gate. It's ridiculous how quick people expect most youngsters to adjust to playing 82 games against men game in and game out.

CH1
03-31-2014, 06:16 PM
Jays, I think you're also the first quote. You're my Roger Ebert.

CH1
03-31-2014, 06:18 PM
Galchenyuk is a phenomenal talent. I fully expect him to be a perennial PPG player for years to come in Montreal.

The problem stems from the fact that, as you alluded to, expectations with youngsters these days are entirely unrealistic. I don't think that very many fans have an idea of how to correctly gauge a youngster's development curve. Progression with young players doesn't always happen at a linear pace. They often stagnate or fail to incrementally improve when one would expect them to take that next step, or they exceed expectations out of the gate and then later depreciate in value (i.e. Luke Schenn).

A guy like Mikkel Boedker in Phoenix is having a 20/55 season years after being deemed a bust because he wasn't productive right out of the gate. It's ridiculous how quick people expect most youngsters to adjust to playing 82 games against men game in and game out.

+1

And PPG would make Hab fans extremely happy. The wait for such a gem has been long....

JaysCyYoung
03-31-2014, 06:19 PM
Jays, I think you're also the first quote. You're my Roger Ebert.

Haha, fair enough.

But I stand by that remark as it applies to 2012-13.

Seguin's been as good as he has this year because he's taken that huge step forward in his development and started to take his professional career seriously.

It's not because he's suddenly playing with Jamie Benn instead of Lucic, Bergeron, Jagr, or Iginla.

CH1
03-31-2014, 06:21 PM
You go with the the best info you have at the moment. Like I said, hard to predict next steps and execution, otherwise we'd all be billionaires from betting on certain futures.

zeke
04-04-2014, 08:47 PM
You're on record sir. Don't try changing your view in the future.

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