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number17
05-02-2014, 01:04 PM
It's sad we're actually starting a thread about the AHL playoff, but with the Leafs golfing in April and a few Leafs prospects playing major roles in the Marlies playoff run it is the most relevant hockey for us at the moment ... so let's put all the Marlies playoff discussions in here.

The Marlies swept the Milwaukee Admirals last night, which is something the parent club hasn't done in ages ... what is especially impressive is the Marlies don't have an especially great goalie (MacIntyre is very average) or an AHL veteran filled lineup.

Percy, Carrick, D'Amigo and Leivo played well in Round 1, and McKegg, Ashton, Granberg, Holland (out of lineup at the moment because of injury) are among other NHL hopeful / prospects.

So let's cheer for the Marlies and hope we'll see them in the Calder cup final!

Metalleaf
05-02-2014, 04:23 PM
I was at the game last night, fun times

Metalleaf
05-02-2014, 04:24 PM
That team is well coached, there was no panic from the players at all, and Milwaukee never challenged McIntyre.

number17
05-02-2014, 04:56 PM
I saw the game on RogersTV and the farm team seems to have a much, much better implemented system than the NHL club. We played the perfect road game at home to close out Milwaukee. Milwaukee wasn't very disciplined, but they probably played the best game of the series for them last night, and Toronto grinded out a win.

Leafin'
05-03-2014, 04:37 PM
The quality of this Marlies Leafstv broadcast is 3rd world. Awful/

number17
05-05-2014, 12:07 PM
Yes it is ... especially if it is away game. If it's home game at least you do get multiple camera angles and HD.

So the 2nd round opponent is set and it's the Chicago Wolves, which is NOT the farm team of the Hawks but the St.Louis Blues instead (weird). Judging from how much comparison was made between the Blues and the Leafs this season, it's interesting we play their farm team in the 2nd round of the Calder cup.

Looking at the Wolves' lineup there are a few interesting names - Ty Rattie, which generated a bit of discussion at our draft back in 11, Christian Hanson, which was a Leaf briefly, then there's Joe Corvo and Keith Aucoin.

The Wolves won their division and finished the season with 4 points above Toronto, so this should be a fairly equal matchup.

hockeylover
05-06-2014, 12:00 PM
57 regular season games + 2 playoff games...

9 points.

Tyler Biggs makes me really sad.

Volcanologist
05-10-2014, 10:03 AM
57 regular season games + 2 playoff games...

9 points.

Tyler Biggs makes me really sad.

If we're looking for a culture change, how about at the draft. ugh.

hockeylover
05-10-2014, 10:09 AM
If we're looking for a culture change, how about at the draft. ugh.

When they have top 10 picks they do seem to go high skill - Rielly and Kadri are the kind of picks I like to see my team make.

I wonder if that has to do with the GM having more say with top 10 picks whereas they tend to defer to their scouting staff more the lower in the first round they go. Burke's done pretty well with his Top 10 picks in the past.

I hated the Biggs pick and I don't particularly love the Gauthier pick.

Leafin'
05-10-2014, 11:08 PM
The Toronto Maple Leafs are proud to select with the 8th overall pick in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft.....

.... Nick Ritchie.

I don't know enough about about Ritchie to say he is or isn't a good pick. He's just not a pure skill kind of player.

CRL
05-11-2014, 02:15 PM
playoffs stats, D'Amigo shines as usual at this time of year
http://www.marlies.ca/team/IndividualStatistics.asp

oscarheyman
05-11-2014, 05:34 PM
Yes it is ... especially if it is away game. If it's home game at least you do get multiple camera angles and HD.

So the 2nd round opponent is set and it's the Chicago Wolves, which is NOT the farm team of the Hawks but the St.Louis Blues instead (weird). Judging from how much comparison was made between the Blues and the Leafs this season, it's interesting we play their farm team in the 2nd round of the Calder cup.

Looking at the Wolves' lineup there are a few interesting names - Ty Rattie, which generated a bit of discussion at our draft back in 11, Christian Hanson, which was a Leaf briefly, then there's Joe Corvo and Keith Aucoin.

The Wolves won their division and finished the season with 4 points above Toronto, so this should be a fairly equal matchup.
Interestingly local fans of the Wolves don't have alot of love for the Blacks Hawks (and probably visa versa). Kind of a rivalry of sorts which goes back to the Bill Wirtz days (I *think* the Wolves even had greater attendances to their games than the Black Hawks then).

BG
05-12-2014, 12:39 PM
Why does the AHL website look like it's being run by volunteers?

number17
05-12-2014, 01:23 PM
The Marlies still have not lost a playoff game yet ... sweeping round 1 3-0, and then thus far in round 2 we've won both games in Chicago, looking to finish them off at home.

D'Amigo, Leivo and Ashton have looked good among F's thus far. all 3 have a chance of making the Leafs next season.

Go Marlies Go!!!

LeafGm
05-12-2014, 04:31 PM
It's sad to think how much better we would've been even last year if we'd deleted Clarkson from the lineup and replaced him with any of D'Amigo, Leivo or Ashton.

BG
05-12-2014, 04:55 PM
I thought Leivo looked great in the preseason - or at least not out of place. But NHL teams like to keep both teams competitive, and would rather sign a veteran to hold the spot on the NHL club until the youngster pushes them out of the role.

hockeylover
05-12-2014, 05:12 PM
Always had a soft spot for Leivo.

CRL
05-12-2014, 06:18 PM
It's sad to think how much better we would've been even last year if we'd deleted Clarkson from the lineup and replaced him with any of D'Amigo, Leivo or Ashton.

D'Amigo is much better than Shitson

Leafin'
05-12-2014, 10:55 PM
D'Amigo can't play center. though i guess he wouldn't be any worse than Smithson.

Hopefully we see a guy or 2 from the Marlies push for a spot on the Leafs next year.

CRL
05-12-2014, 10:57 PM
D'Amigo can't play center. though i guess he wouldn't be any worse than Smithson.

Hopefully we see a guy or 2 from the Marlies push for a spot on the Leafs next year.

Shitson = Clarkson

Leafin'
05-12-2014, 11:01 PM
These contracts should be the killer for Nonis in Toronto.

How he's survived makes no sense. If they move Phaneuf, can Nonis.

Volcanologist
05-13-2014, 12:16 AM
Nonis is a figurehead GM at this point. you think he wants to trade Phaneuf right after he signed him? as for firing him, all in due course, the guys they want probably aren't available right now. same deal with Randy.

number17
05-13-2014, 12:21 AM
To be fair, D'Amigo had every chance to make the Leafs team before the Clarkson signing and every chance he's got he showed he's not NHL ready.

And maybe he simply wasn't, which is not a crime, he's young and it's perfectly fine he needs more time in the AHL.

And D'Amigo STILL may not be NHL ready yet. It's good to see him dominating at the AHL playoff, and I hope he goes on to win the job at the next camp.

But despite how the Clarkson signing has been a colossal disaster thus far, none of Leivo or D'Amigo brings any physical presence to the game, they are weak along the board, and they're very inexperienced defensively - which were the reason Clarkson was signed. Sure Clarkson failed to deliver on these fronts, but Leafs were not the only team whose scouts told us these are Clarkson's strengths, and as much as teh Clarkson signing has failed it still doesn't change the fact none of the Leafs prospects can deliver on these areas, and the GM's need to acquire someone externally. Gauthier might be the next Leafs prospect who can help us in those, and he's at least 2 years away still.

Deckie007
05-13-2014, 12:29 AM
To be fair, D'Amigo had every chance to make the Leafs team before the Clarkson signing and every chance he's got he showed he's not NHL ready.

And maybe he simply wasn't, which is not a crime, he's young and it's perfectly fine he needs more time in the AHL.



LOL? He had an outside chance as a 4th liner to make the team, but Carlyle was committed to McSelke, and the face punchers. Not an honest chance at all when the coach prefers shitty enforcers to actual hockey players.

Leafin'
05-13-2014, 12:30 AM
Leafs prospect pool for top-6 talent is weak.

D'amigo and Leivo are top6 type players, but might end up being tweeners in that they are just not good enough to make the Leafs top6.

I still hold out hope for Leivo, as i liked what i saw from him in the limited time he was here. If he can make a push to make the team, that caphit could be allocated on other parts of the team

number17
05-13-2014, 12:53 AM
LOL? He had an outside chance as a 4th liner to make the team, but Carlyle was committed to McSelke, and the face punchers. Not an honest chance at all when the coach prefers shitty enforcers to actual hockey players.That's a totally different point.

The point others were making was because we signed Clarkson, D'Amigo and Leivo didn't have a chance to crack the Leaf's lineup. My point is, in Clarkson signing Nonis was looking to fill certain skillsets that just didn't exist within the Leaf's prospect system. If you want to pin Clarkson's failure on Nonis, be my guest, but he wasn't the only one, and it still doesn't change the fact the Leafs had to go out and acquire external help to fill that hole.

What you are arguing, is Carlyle's preference to have goons on his 4th line. Now, Carlyle was an idiot for insisting to keep the like of Fraser, Orr, McLaren on the team. I always believed the team should have 2 offensive lines, a real checking 3rd line, and a young-line where young players can be shielded in terms of icetime and opponent. That much is true, but that's not the point others were arguing about.

And, McClement DOES have his place on this team. Going into the 13/14 season, McClement finished the 12/13 season as one of the most useful role players on the team, as a PK specialist, and even chipped in the odd goals here and there. When Bolland went down, Carlyle went with McClement as his checking line center (and later on even 1st line center when Bozak was injured and Kadri suspended) - that's a huge mis-use. But given the list of injuries we had, trying McClement as a checking line center was not a far stretch. I can't blame Carlyle for that. Continuing to play him in that position, despite him clearly struggling with that role was Carlyle's problem though.

number17
05-13-2014, 12:57 AM
Leafs prospect pool for top-6 talent is weak.

D'amigo and Leivo are top6 type players, but might end up being tweeners in that they are just not good enough to make the Leafs top6.

I still hold out hope for Leivo, as i liked what i saw from him in the limited time he was here. If he can make a push to make the team, that caphit could be allocated on other parts of the teamNah I think we'll be very lucky if Leivo / D'Amigo can develop into top 6 players, but good checkers with energy, speed, and chipping in the odd goals is a more realistic goal for them. Neither of them have shown at any level they have top 6 talent ... it's not impossible, but I won't hold my breath for that.

But they can be great 3rd / 4th liners for us, and make us a better team. Compared the other teams in the league, the Leafs were great for 1st line production, average for 2nd line production, but 3rd and 4th line production we're piss-poor ...

Deckie007
05-13-2014, 01:34 AM
I see Amigo as a great 4th liner / good 3rd liner. Leivo however, scored 42 points in 59 games in his 1st year in Pro Hockey, which is pretty stellar. He has top 6 potential for sure. As he continues to build up his body, I can see him grabbing a top 6 winger role.

LeafGm
05-13-2014, 04:01 AM
I don't think I can ever see D'Amigo in a top-6 role, but he sure as **** has more to contribute than Chumpson, Orr or McLaren.

number17
05-13-2014, 11:49 AM
I see hopes of Leivo developing into a top 6. The scary thing is, I also see plenty of Matt Frattin's game in Leivo.

Now Frattin was a lot older when he made the jump to pro (24, vs. Leivo who is 20) so maybe it's a bad comparison, but the game they play are somewhat similar. They both rely on straight line speed and acceleration offensively, and neither has a lot of finess or E-W game in him. Neither is especially big or strong, and neither is very useful when they're not bursting out with speed.

But because of his age, and how much he's already accomplished in his first pro season, yes I will say Leivo still has hopes of helping the big club in a top 6 role.

leafman101
05-13-2014, 11:51 AM
Leivo can score goals. That should translate to the next level (it already has a little). I don't think he is a guy that can drive a line, but he should be able to be productive.

D'Amigo at the very least this year showed he is an NHLer. Whether that is anything more than a 4th liner remains to be seen, but based on this year D'Amigo-Holland-Ashton should be the teams 4th line heading into next season.

number17
05-13-2014, 11:53 AM
I don't think I can ever see D'Amigo in a top-6 role, but he sure as **** has more to contribute than Chumpson, Orr or McLaren.I won't bring Clarkson into the discussion because that's a totally separate point.

But using a goon 4th line is totally pointless and that's a major flaw in Carlyle's system. To be fair, he DID adjust in the 13/14 season, choosing to play Rielly over Gleason, and dropping McLaren and Orr from his lineup while going with Bodie, Holland etc.

Whether Leivo and D'Amigo will have a regular spot on the NHL roster next season depends a lot on the future of Bolland and Kulemin. They'd still have to leap-frog Holland and Bodie though, who brings more to the table even when they're not scoring.

number17
05-13-2014, 11:55 AM
Leivo can score goals. That should translate to the next level (it already has a little). I don't think he is a guy that can drive a line, but he should be able to be productive.

D'Amigo at the very least this year showed he is an NHLer. Whether that is anything more than a 4th liner remains to be seen, but based on this year D'Amigo-Holland-Ashton should be the teams 4th line heading into next season.The fact Ashton still hasn't scored his first NHL goal (how did that happen? He's an effective scorer in the AHL!) ... I wouldn't say he's a lock either.

But Bodie is definitely ahead of D'Amigo in the depth chart at this point ... and rightfully so.

leafman101
05-13-2014, 12:13 PM
Bodie is a scrub. Play the young guys in depth roles.

number17
05-13-2014, 12:53 PM
For the checking line, not getting scored on is the first pre-requisite. Finishing your check and physically tiring your opponent is probably the 2nd most important thing.

And D'Amigo / Leivo loses to Bodie on both accounts.

leafman101
05-13-2014, 01:04 PM
We;ve seen Bodie before in Crabb, Brent, Boyle etc. You can get shitty AHL vets to fill in short term. They aren't NHL players though in the end, and you can't give them roster spots.

The Leafs have talented youth that is cheap and fits that role just fine in Ashton, Holland and D'Amigo. When you have 3 young kids that are skilled, and big and physical you play them. Not 30 year old AHLers.

number17
05-13-2014, 01:44 PM
Holland, yes.

Ashton, questionable ... Bodie has been far more effective than him offensively, defensively and physically.

D'Amigo, no, he has to show he's better than Bodie if he has to take his spot.

You gotta give your young guys chances but the checking line does have a job to do out there night in and night out. You can't possibly just leave 3 young guys out there to a checking role night after night 'just because they are younger'.

And D'Amigo is big? He's 5'11 and he plays like 5'11 too.

MindzEye
05-13-2014, 02:46 PM
Ashton, questionable ... Bodie has been far more effective than him offensively, defensively and physically.

I think the real telling thing here is that when they played on the same team together, Ashton plays on the 1st line and Bodie on the 3rd. Ashton hasn't put it together at the NHL level yet, but if he's better than Bodie at the AHL level, then he's going to be better than Bodie at the NHL level too.

leafman101
05-13-2014, 02:58 PM
And D'Amigo is big? He's 5'11 and he plays like 5'11 too.

5'11 213.

Bodie played at a 17 point pace. I'm not sure I'm see what he did that was so much better than Ashton and D'Amigo. he stinks.

The 4th line isn't your checking line. You just want guys you can play, and maybe add some energy. The 4th line was unplayable last year. Ashton-Holland-D'Amigo wouldn't be. You can put those guys on the ice for 10 minutes a game.

number17
05-13-2014, 02:59 PM
That sure is a possibility.

Ashton is a really weird case ... he's bounced between the NHL and the AHL and I've watched enough of him in both leagues. He seems to be a different player when playing in the NHL ... part of this may be him keeping the game simple, but I also think he has to realize he has more time and more options than he anticipate at the NHL level.

And for a 'big guy', Ashton doesn't play a particularly physical game.

We should definitely continue to keep him around, and Ashton may develop into a very useful checker for us down the road. I just think all these guys (Ashton, D'Amigo, Bodie, etc etc) should all compete for the 3rd / 4th liner jobs at training camp, with no favouritism shown towards age or draft position ... whoever can get the job done should get it. I don't have very high expectation for these guys developing into anything beyond 3rd liner, so the patience for 'growing pain' is not very high for me. I'd have no problem going with a 29 year old who can do the job better than a 26 year old who still makes plenty of defensive mistakes.

Holland, OTOH, has much higher ceiling and he is also a cut above these 3rd / 4th liners.

LeafGm
05-13-2014, 03:19 PM
I wouldn't put too much stock in Ashton's production at the NHL level this year.

Pretty tough to accurately evaluate him with the number of times Randy was giving him only 2-5 minutes a night. If he's playing 7-10 minutes with guys like Holland, D'Amigo or Leivo instead of just a couple shifts a night with McSelke and McOrrlaren, I suspect that you'd see him start to chip in.

number17
05-13-2014, 03:48 PM
Fair enough ... but that isn't gonna change in the next 2 years either ... :p

MindzEye
05-13-2014, 04:06 PM
I'd have no problem going with a 29 year old who can do the job better than a 26 year old who still makes plenty of defensive mistakes.

You're aware that Ashton was 22 this year, right? D'Amigo as well for most of the year.

So yes, I believe in open competition for roster spots, but if you have two guys who brought more or less the same level of play...one is a 29 yr old career minor leaguer, and the other is a 22-23 yr old. You take the 22-23 yr old and give them an opportunity to run with the ball a bit.

CRL
05-14-2014, 10:42 PM
and D'Amigo scores in OT to complete sweep of Chicago

Metalleaf
05-14-2014, 10:53 PM
It's a best of 7 series. Still got to win the 4th game and not pull a San Jose.

CRL
05-15-2014, 08:40 AM
It's a best of 7 series. Still got to win the 4th game and not pull a San Jose.

oh, right

number17
05-15-2014, 10:21 AM
I watched the game last night and the Marlies dominated the Wolves all game long, despite the score was 3-3 going into overtime.

Unlike the Leafs, the Marlies don't spend all game in their zone, instead they win the puck battles along the board, have a clean transition game, and also plays a strong forecheck game, the Wolves never really had the upperhand.

The Wolves also suffers from pretty suspect goaltending. Jake Allen, who was a top goalie at one point, has not looked good at all. Their team really can't afford to have an up and down goalie and Allen does not assure confidence.

1 more Win and the Marlies can advance to the Conference final! Go Marlies Go!!!

Metalleaf
05-15-2014, 12:32 PM
Marlies were outshot 18-8 after the first period.

number17
05-15-2014, 08:39 PM
Marlies were outshot 18-8 after the first period.
Which game were you watching? The shots were 15 Marlies - 16 Wolves after the first.

http://theahl.com/stats/official-game-report.php?game_id=1013428

Matrim
05-16-2014, 09:58 PM
Marlies up 3-0 in the 3rd in game 4.

Holland just scored a beauty breakaway goal after some great work on the boards in the neutral zone by Ashton and Carrick. Carrick with a great pass to spring Holland.

hockeylover
05-16-2014, 09:59 PM
#FreeSpott

:couch

Matrim
05-16-2014, 10:02 PM
These seem to be the lines:

Ashton - Holland - Carrick
D'Amigo - Smith - Kozun
Leivo - Mckegg - Abbott
Mclaren - Smithson - Ryan

Brennan - Yeo
Percy - Granberg
Marshall - Holzer

I'd prefer seeing Broll, Biggs, or Devane on that 4th line, Mclaren is useless.

number17
05-17-2014, 10:06 AM
Holland has only played in 3 games because of injury, but has scored in all 3 games and has been a force even when he's not scoring.

D'Amigo, Carrick have also looked great, Ashton and Leivo have looked good too.

On the backend, Brennan has looked good, Granberg and Percy have had up and down games but MaciNtyre has been perfect.

This is as dominating a team as I've seen on the Marlies ever.

uncus
05-20-2014, 08:36 PM
Please explain to me why the leafs would`nt give spots to D`amigo (Kulimen 3-4 million), Ashton (Raymond 3 million), Broll (the stick man Bodie 1 million) and even Devane (you do need a Boston factor) (Orr I think 1.3 million) ... those 4 together would probably total less than 3 million.

uncus
05-20-2014, 08:41 PM
Is Holland better than Kadri?
Plain and simple ... Kadri is a magician with the puck and I only saw Holland on TV and 3 times with the Marlies .... Is Kadri or Holland more lazy, and which one is more likely to defeat the lazy gremlins in their genes.
Wellwood had amazing talent but was lazier than a stoned pig in a bucket of corn slop.
So who has the better chance at being the solid 2nd line center?

uncus
05-20-2014, 08:42 PM
Leafs had a pretty good marlies team on the rock

MindzEye
05-20-2014, 09:02 PM
Is Holland better than Kadri?

No

TimHorton
05-20-2014, 09:05 PM
Is Holland better than Kadri?

At being white, yes.
At hockey, no.

trujaysfan
05-20-2014, 09:39 PM
At being white, yes.
At hockey, no.

well with the way the media treat Subban you would think being white is at least 50% what it takes to play hockey.

MindzEye
05-20-2014, 09:48 PM
Just imagine how good the media would tell us PK Subban was if he was white. If PK was white, he would be receiving Larry Robinson level stroking.

number17
05-21-2014, 11:35 AM
Please explain to me why the leafs would`nt give spots to D`amigo (Kulimen 3-4 million), Ashton (Raymond 3 million), Broll (the stick man Bodie 1 million) and even Devane (you do need a Boston factor) (Orr I think 1.3 million) ... those 4 together would probably total less than 3 million.Good question. I think they should, but I also think they won't.

The makeup of the team, as is, is you have 2 offensive lines, 1 checking line, and 1 goon line.

Carlyle changed that up a little in the end of the last season, and whether he reverts back to that next season if / when he has some control over the roster in the off-season is another question mark.

But assuming Clarkson continues to struggle in a top 6 role, that's 1 lock on the 3rd line already.

Carlyle LOATHES McClement, so that's another lock for bottom 6 role.

Bodie had a good season, and is the son-in-law of the big boss, so he's a lock for another spot.

Holland deserves to play in the NHL, but he won't play a top 6 role next season, so that's 1 more spot locked up.

And Shanny already publicly said he wants Bolland back.

This means, 5 of 6 spots are pretty much locked up already. D'Amigo, Ashton, McKegg, and whoever else comes to our training camp competing for a bottom 6 spot is pretty much competing for ONE spot only.

And the 13th spot is reserved for a goon under the "Improved Carlyle" mentality (whereas the default Carlyle mentality is McLaren and Orr as regulars on the 4th line plus Fraser as a lock on the bottom unit) ... so really, all these guys are competing for 1 spot.

They better hope Clarkson picks it up and actually plays on the 2nd line, cause at least there will be 2 spots to compete for.

leafman101
05-21-2014, 12:06 PM
McClement and Bodie aren't signed for next year. Neither are Kulemin, Bolland or Raymond.

Of course there are bottom 6 spots up for grabs. Clarkson and Orr are the only guys signed.

They have said they thing guys from the AHL are ready to push up. Holland, Ashton and D'Amigo are the most obvious guys up front. IMO a few dmen (Percy, Granberg, Holzer, Brennan) will have a shot as well.

There are tons of spots to compete for.

number17
05-21-2014, 12:09 PM
I'll be very surprised if McClement and Bodie aren't re-signed. (and that wouldn't be bad signing. These are useful players ... as long as Carlyle play them accordingly ... like, don't play McClement on a checking line ... he's a 4th line forward and a good PKer, not a checking line center)

Kulemin is likely gone. Shanny has said he wants Bolland and we're told repeatedly he's the boss, so again, I'll be surprised if Bolland isn't back (at a price tag we really can't afford too). Raymond is good as gone imo.

It still means Clarkson, Orr, and most likely Bolland, McClement and Bodie will return in the bottom 7.

leafman101
05-21-2014, 12:23 PM
Three of those guys aren't signed, so I can't agree with "most likely"

As of now Clarkson is the only most likley bottom 6 player on the roster, and even though Orr played way too much last year he still only played 54 games. So he is more of a 12/13 forward than a guarantee of anything. There are lots of spots open.

IMO guys like Bodie and McClement aren't smart signings at all when you have cheap, youth like Ashton, D'Amigo and Holland. They are unnecessary signings. The room is there for those guys if they don't take further actions to clog it up.

LeafGm
05-21-2014, 12:43 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if Kulemin or Raymond come back. Kulemin's going to get a bigger paycheque than he'll get here somewhere else, whether it's with another NHL team or in the KHL. Or he might decide he'd like the opportunity to play with his old linemate Evgeni Malkin in Pittsburgh. Raymond doesn't require much explanation---we got decent offensive value out of him this year, but he's not what this team needs---especially at 2.5-3 times his price from last year.

As for the rest, I agree that none of Bolland, McClement or Bodie would be "smart signings". They'd be pretty stupid signings, actually. But for the reasons mentioned above by number17 (Carlyle's love for McSelke, Shanahan's love for Bolland and Bodie's love for Leiweke's daughter), I'll only believe that none of these guys are coming back when they're safely under contract with other teams.

Wayward DP
05-21-2014, 12:44 PM
Yeah, we need to stop wasting cap space on our bottom lines when we have guys in house who can provide similar levels of play for cheaper. Especially when you don't know exactly what you have with those guys you've drafted and developed, you need to give them an opportunity to show what they can do at the NHL level.

leafman101
05-21-2014, 12:46 PM
These guys have reached the Conference Finals in the AHL for the 2nd year out of the last 3. They were solid in the NHL this year.

They've earned a shot and I'd be shocked to see no spots open for competition. There will be roster turnover this offseason. They aren't going to have the same 20 guys.

number17
05-21-2014, 01:02 PM
I'd be pretty surprised if Kulemin or Raymond come back. Kulemin's going to get a bigger paycheque than he'll get here somewhere else, whether it's with another NHL team or in the KHL. Or he might decide he'd like the opportunity to play with his old linemate Evgeni Malkin in Pittsburgh. Raymond doesn't require much explanation---we got decent offensive value out of him this year, but he's not what this team needs---especially at 2.5-3 times his price from last year.

As for the rest, I agree that none of Bolland, McClement or Bodie would be "smart signings". They'd be pretty stupid signings, actually. But for the reasons mentioned above by number17 (Carlyle's love for McSelke, Shanahan's love for Bolland and Bodie's love for Leiweke's daughter), I'll only believe that none of these guys are coming back when they're safely under contract with other teams.I agree none of them would be smart signings, and I also think all 3 of them will be back.

I really don't mind Bodie though, just for the record - assuming it's the right price. McClement and Bolland, OTOH, we shouldn't bring them back at all.

trujaysfan
05-21-2014, 01:03 PM
I can't see Bodie leaving... good 13th forward for the team.

Also he is TL son in law so we can pay him league min and the guy will have nothing to worry about

number17
05-21-2014, 01:10 PM
I think Kulemin and Raymond are good as gone btw.

Raymond was a good signing for last season but it would be stupid to bring him back next season.

Kulemin has a lot of suiters and it won't make sense to keep him. I also think whoever signs him, will sign him for his potential, and will be disappointed.

McClement's only value at this point is a good PKer, but D'Amigo can easily be a 1st unit PKer on the NHL team too. Judging from how much Carlyle loves him, and how the coaches talks about McClement's work ethics at practice, blue collar attitude etc etc ... I'll be surprised if he isn't back.

Metalleaf
05-21-2014, 04:15 PM
Toronto Maple Leafs
FYI RT @TorontoMarlies: Games 1 & 2 vs. the @TexasStars will be broadcast live on @Leafs_TV http://bit.ly/IEaIVQ . #GetTheJobDone

LeafGm
05-21-2014, 05:41 PM
These guys have reached the Conference Finals in the AHL for the 2nd year out of the last 3. They were solid in the NHL this year.

They've earned a shot and I'd be shocked to see no spots open for competition. There will be roster turnover this offseason. They aren't going to have the same 20 guys.
I hope you're right, but as has been well documented, I don't have the same faith in our coaching staff and management that you do. Until I see otherwise, I'll still be expecting for us to start the season with the likes of Bolland, McClement, Bodie, McLaren and Orr taking up roster spots and making up most of our bottom-6.


I agree none of them would be smart signings, and I also think all 3 of them will be back.

I really don't mind Bodie though, just for the record - assuming it's the right price. McClement and Bolland, OTOH, we shouldn't bring them back at all.
I don't mind Bodie either, he's a decent depth forward. I guess I just don't trust Carlyle to use him properly.

number17
05-22-2014, 10:26 AM
I wonder if the Shanny-fans will finally admit it's a bad move if Bolland is signed for $4.25M x multi-years, and we bring back at least 1 of McClement and Bodie.

Or, will they spin again and declare "that's a nothing move ... if he doesn't work out we'll scratch him." :)

leafman101
05-22-2014, 10:41 AM
I think you are missing the point. No one is absolving Shanahan of blame for future poor moves. He just hasn't made any yet.

LeafGm
05-22-2014, 11:05 AM
I think you are missing the point. No one is absolving Shanahan of blame for future poor moves. He just hasn't made any yet.
This lawyerly approach you're using to defend Shanahan is pretty ridiculous. It's like you're the guy's press secretary. Nobody's criticizing Shanahan for "future moves". The guy came out and told several media outlets that he wants to re-sign Dave Bolland.

So if you disagree with Shanahan's public statements and think re-signing Bolland would be a bad idea, are you not allowed to criticize him for making those statements?

leafman101
05-22-2014, 11:06 AM
You can do whatever you want. But criticizing Shanahan for overpaying to resign Bolland is obviously stupid at this point.

And certainly no one is defending overpaying for Bolland.

At least let the guy make the mistake first.

LeafGm
05-22-2014, 11:13 AM
I'm not criticizing him for overpaying Bolland. I'm criticizing him for wanting to bring him back at all.

He's an undersized third line center that has serious injury problems, and he's awful at winning faceoffs. I just don't see how he's a fit, even at a "reasonable" price.

leafman101
05-22-2014, 11:37 AM
I'm with you. By liking the things Shanahan has done so far I am not saying that I will like every move he ever makes from here on out.

I just like what he has done.

LeafGm
05-22-2014, 11:39 AM
Fair enough.

hockeylover
05-22-2014, 12:30 PM
I'm not criticizing him for overpaying Bolland. I'm criticizing him for wanting to bring him back at all.

He's an undersized third line center that has serious injury problems, and he's awful at winning faceoffs. I just don't see how he's a fit, even at a "reasonable" price.

Yeah, I really can't see any price that makes sense for us.

number17
05-22-2014, 12:30 PM
I think retaining Carlyle, and signing him to a 2 years extension, is a bad enough move to criticize and lose any confidence in Shanny ... you actually think that's a good move, so let's agree to disagree.

And we'll talk about what you think of Shanny AFTER he re-signs Bolland and bring back McClement / Bodie to once again block 3rd line spots from the young guys ok? ;)

Bleedsblue&white
05-23-2014, 10:10 AM
I think retaining Carlyle, and signing him to a 2 years extension, is a bad enough move to criticize and lose any confidence in Shanny ... you actually think that's a good move, so let's agree to disagree.

And we'll talk about what you think of Shanny AFTER he re-signs Bolland and bring back McClement / Bodie to once again block 3rd line spots from the young guys ok? ;)


What coach is available that you would have hired? I hope we've gotten past the extension part, I know you're not one of the dummies who thinks that matters, but I'd like to hear the perfect coach for us that is available right now.

LeafGm
05-23-2014, 10:46 AM
What coach is available that you would have hired? I hope we've gotten past the extension part, I know you're not one of the dummies who thinks that matters, but I'd like to hear the perfect coach for us that is available right now.
There's no such thing as "the perfect coach", although I guess it's hard to believe that considering the number of people that are willing to write-off an entire season just for a potential shot at maybe landing Mike Babcock. But there is a whole world of other hockey coaches out there, hockey coaches who didn't stand by like a deer in a headlights all through last season while failing utterly to correct or even mitigate the major problems with the way their teams played hockey.

In theory, I'd think that the people that are being past vast sums of money to run our hockey operations would be able to identify some candidates, interview them and hire someone that they think might be able to affect change, rather than bring back the same guy who failed all through last season and publicly admitted to having no clue what to do about it.

leafman101
05-23-2014, 11:05 AM
Is there really an issue with deferring important decisions though?

Also why is giving Carlyle a second chance an automatic waiving of the white flag for this season? He has only been here for two years, one of them they were 1 minute away from going to the second round, and the other one was terrible. He has had success in 50% of his time here, which is league average. The guy has coached his teams to the playoffs in 7 of 9 seasons in the NHL.

Like Carlyle or not, keeping him isn't writing off next year.

LeafGm
05-23-2014, 11:40 AM
Is there really an issue with deferring important decisions though?

Also why is giving Carlyle a second chance an automatic waiving of the white flag for this season? He has only been here for two years, one of them they were 1 minute away from going to the second round, and the other one was terrible. He has had success in 50% of his time here, which is league average. The guy has coached his teams to the playoffs in 7 of 9 seasons in the NHL.

Like Carlyle or not, keeping him isn't writing off next year.
Actually, he had success for about 36% of his time here, considering that his one "successful" season was little over half a season.

As for the rest of your argument, I think we've already more than established that we fundamentally disagree, so I don't see the point in rehashing our arguments. I think if Carlyle was capable of righting this ship and correcting the fundamental problems with the way his team played, he'd have done it. I don't think a directive from the new team president will suddenly give him the ability to do so. You disagree. I also think that a coach that stubbornly stuck with a completely unplayable 4th line all season, and a coach who's natural inclination was to give Jay McClement the ice-time of a 2nd or 3rd liner whenever possible should be fired just on principle. You disagree.

So, all that's left now is to wait and see what happens.

Bleedsblue&white
05-23-2014, 12:18 PM
There's no such thing as "the perfect coach", although I guess it's hard to believe that considering the number of people that are willing to write-off an entire season just for a potential shot at maybe landing Mike Babcock. But there is a whole world of other hockey coaches out there, hockey coaches who didn't stand by like a deer in a headlights all through last season while failing utterly to correct or even mitigate the major problems with the way their teams played hockey.

In theory, I'd think that the people that are being past vast sums of money to run our hockey operations would be able to identify some candidates, interview them and hire someone that they think might be able to affect change, rather than bring back the same guy who failed all through last season and publicly admitted to having no clue what to do about it.


So really, you don't have an answer. MO is when the right person comes along they'll get him...unless Randy somehow becomes the guy ( I doubt that). You don't make moves just to make them....we should know that.

Bleedsblue&white
05-23-2014, 12:21 PM
And guys, we have to consider the fact, now that this team has quit on two coaches in three years, that the coach is NOT the problem. Unfortunately, fixing the team takes a lot longer.

Also, let's consider that Shanny may be interviewing Nonis this season, and if that is true...it would be utterly ****ed to fire Randy, get a new GM, who then wants his own coach. So...5 coaches in 4 years....that's a good idea?

Bleedsblue&white
05-23-2014, 12:22 PM
Four coaches in four or five years, sorry.

leafman101
05-23-2014, 12:36 PM
Actually, he had success for about 36% of his time here, considering that his one "successful" season was little over half a season.

As for the rest of your argument, I think we've already more than established that we fundamentally disagree, so I don't see the point in rehashing our arguments. I think if Carlyle was capable of righting this ship and correcting the fundamental problems with the way his team played, he'd have done it. I don't think a directive from the new team president will suddenly give him the ability to do so. You disagree. I also think that a coach that stubbornly stuck with a completely unplayable 4th line all season, and a coach who's natural inclination was to give Jay McClement the ice-time of a 2nd or 3rd liner whenever possible should be fired just on principle. You disagree.

So, all that's left now is to wait and see what happens.

So what you are saying today on May 23 is that the Leafs are writing off next year and have zero chance of having a good season in 2014-15?

LeafGm
05-23-2014, 12:55 PM
So really, you don't have an answer. MO is when the right person comes along they'll get him...unless Randy somehow becomes the guy ( I doubt that). You don't make moves just to make them....we should know that.
If by "an answer", you mean a specific coaching candidate that I think would be "perfect" for the job, then no, I don't. But I'm just some schlub that works full time, has other hobbies besides hockey and as a result, doesn't have a detailed and up-to-date rolodex of all the potential head coaching candidates that are out there in the hockey world at the moment. But I'm pretty confident that there's someone else out there in this rather large world of ours that would be worth trying behind the bench, rather than going back to a guy who's proven he doesn't have a ****ing clue how to fix the way this team plays.


And guys, we have to consider the fact, now that this team has quit on two coaches in three years, that the coach is NOT the problem. Unfortunately, fixing the team takes a lot longer.

Also, let's consider that Shanny may be interviewing Nonis this season, and if that is true...it would be utterly ****ed to fire Randy, get a new GM, who then wants his own coach. So...5 coaches in 4 years....that's a good idea?
Yeah, the coach isn't the only problem. Nonis isn't a new hire. He and his entire management team have been a central part of our front office for six years now, and if our roster of players is so ill-conceived and poorly put together that the head coach can be excused for his team getting outshot by 2-1 margins all year and not being able to find any solution to that problem, then the buck has to stop with Nonis and his guys, right? If that's true, how does it make sense to decide their fate based on what happens in the next year, and how is your GM knowing that his future employment depends entirely on how his team does in the extreme short-term not a recipe for disaster?

LeafGm
05-23-2014, 12:56 PM
So what you are saying today on May 23 is that the Leafs are writing off next year and have zero chance of having a good season in 2014-15?
The organization has already pulled out the "well, we weren't expecting to be good anyways" excuse for last year, so why not use it for next year too?

leafman101
05-23-2014, 01:01 PM
So thats a yes. According to Leafs GM the Leafs have written off next season.

LeafGm
05-23-2014, 01:18 PM
Hey, I don't know for sure if they're writing the season off. Unfortunately, I don't have any convert suveillance going on in the Leafs front office. But if the master plan is to throw Carlyle to the wolves for another year in the hope that they can lure Babcock here next summer, I'd call that "writing off the season". But it's also entirely possible that Shanahan is enough of an idiot that he thinks that bringing back absolutely everyone in the organization except for the assistant coaches will be sufficient to turn this ship around.

Bleedsblue&white
05-23-2014, 01:52 PM
Leafgm, you say you don't have the answers, but you expect the MLSE braintrust should...so maybe, if you are giving them that much credit, you should let them do what they are paid to do.

LeafGm
05-23-2014, 01:59 PM
That's a spectacular suggestion BB&W. Maybe I'll take your advice and join the cult of Brendan Shanahan.

Bleedsblue&white
05-23-2014, 02:27 PM
That's a spectacular suggestion BB&W. Maybe I'll take your advice and join the cult of Brendan Shanahan.

I don't know if you can get this...quite often people IN something have to get outside of it first.

Anyways, if you could look at what you just wrote...I'm merely suggesting giving the guy a chance to do something (you have been around long enough to know you don't fix it all in a week right? I know you're not twelve)...but just saying, "hey, let's see (especially since the players have failed for multiple groups.) what this guy can do.

Annnnd ,I'm the guy in the cult?

leafman101
05-23-2014, 02:29 PM
There is no Shanahan cult. There is literally no one saying that Shanahan is awesome and the Leafs are awesome now that he is here.

There are just Shanahaters. You know, the people writing him off and writing off next season after one month on the job in May, and the offseason not even starting yet.

LeafGm
05-23-2014, 03:18 PM
In the past three years, the Leafs have:

1) Twice retained their head coach, while firing all of his assistants, and asked the fans to believe that this constitutes substantive change.

2) Fired the GM, while retaining literally every single other member of the front office.

3) Brought in a new team President on the rallying cry of change, only to have that President leave the entire front office and the head coach in place.

I'd like to hear of any other organization in sports that'd make any of these insane moves, let alone all of them, and I'd like to understand how anyone could keep falling for and defending these useless, bullshit half-measures.

I said the day Shanahan was hired that I'd struggle to understand the point of bringing him in if he chose to keep Nonis and the entire front office, but now that he has, I understand that Shanahan is there to insulate Leiweke from the media pressure and criticism that would've fallen on him for having no accountability in his organization whatsoever, and nothing more.

hockeylover
05-23-2014, 03:39 PM
In the past three years, the Leafs have:

1) Twice retained their head coach, while firing all of his assistants, and asked the fans to believe that this constitutes substantive change.

2) Fired the GM, while retaining literally every single other member of the front office.

3) Brought in a new team President on the rallying cry of change, only to have that President leave the entire front office and the head coach in place.

I'd like to hear of any other organization in sports that'd make any of these insane moves, let alone all of them, and I'd like to understand how anyone could keep falling for and defending these useless, bullshit half-measures.

I said the day Shanahan was hired that I'd struggle to understand the point of bringing him in if he chose to keep Nonis and the entire front office, but now that he has, I understand that Shanahan is there to insulate Leiweke from the media pressure and criticism that would've fallen on him for having no accountability in his organization whatsoever, and nothing more.

This sums it up really well for me.

ForeverTML
05-23-2014, 04:27 PM
For ever poster who calls out the franchise, there seems to be another who drinks the organizaitonal Kool aid.

I mean, just peruse through the fire Carlyle thread that was started in December 2013. Someone actuall called him a top 10 NHL coach ....good enough to stand behind the bench and wonder why his team's play was "mind-boggling".

I have no issues with the wait and see approach with Shanny - because frankly there is no other option. But you evaluate him based on what he's done so far - and so far, in my opinion, he has made a huge error with Randy, as well as keeping the rather incompetent braintrust that put this team together. But lets see if he can magically change his coaching style and the braintrust automatically starts making better decisions.

Matrim
05-23-2014, 09:32 PM
Back to the point of this thread.

The Marlies are up 1-0 on a goal from Brandon Kozun in game 1 of the Conference Finals. And are currently on a PP 8 mins into the first.

Matrim
05-23-2014, 09:55 PM
Marlies up 1-0 after the 1st period in game 1.

Matrim
05-23-2014, 10:27 PM
T.J. Brennan scores on a nice wrist shot in the slot off a pass by Leivo. Marlies up 2-0.

Matrim
05-23-2014, 10:28 PM
And the very next shift Peter Holland scores off a turnover right in the slot, 3-0.

Deckie007
05-23-2014, 10:34 PM
Then what happened?

Matrim
05-23-2014, 11:40 PM
Stars score late, 3-1 with 4 mins to go.

Matrim
05-23-2014, 11:45 PM
Sam Carrick with the empty netter with 2 mins left. 4-1 Marlies.

Matrim
05-23-2014, 11:47 PM
And Smithson seals the win with another empty netter. 5-1 Marlies. They are still undefeated in these playoffs and even more impressive is that they have never trailed in any game so far.

Matrim
05-23-2014, 11:49 PM
The Marlies were also outshot 50-19, Macintyre was amazing in this game.

number17
05-26-2014, 10:06 AM
Yes he was.

McIntyre hasn't had to be brilliant thus far in the playoff, but he was absolutely dominating in this one. The Marlies, not sure if it's from the long layoff or what, but they really couldn't get into gear in the first and throughout the game they had a lot of mental mistakes too. Macintyre stole this one for us.

Percy was especially guilty of mental mistakes in this one.

I think the Marlies do have a lot of good forwards with good combination of speed, creativity, and disciplined enough they are not defensive liabilities. Leivo stood out in this game for me, but Abbott, Carrick, D'Amigo, Holland have all looked good in the the playoff. These 5, plus Ashton, I hope at least 4 of them make it to the big club next season.

CRL
05-26-2014, 10:37 PM
Persy stinks

hockeylover
05-26-2014, 10:39 PM
1-1

CRL
05-26-2014, 10:48 PM
2-2

CRL
05-26-2014, 10:56 PM
3-3

CRL
05-26-2014, 11:02 PM
Texas up 4-3 end of 2-nd

number17
05-27-2014, 10:07 AM
Marlies dropped the first game of the playoff, and I think they are due for a L.

Thus far in the series their defensive coverage hasn't been good. Offensively they are still doing things right, both top lines have been dangerous and productive. But defensively there's been a lot of missed assignments.

I've been secretly hoping for a L too ... cause I bought tickets to game 5 on Sat :) but also because I think if they keep on winning the pressure will be way too much going into the Finals. It is good to take a L in this round and get them back on earth, re-focus on being a hard-working team and not play with a big head.

Now the Marlies come home and if they win all 3 at home they win the series at home ... let's hope we do that!

BTW Holland really stood out for me in this game, and I think Holland will make a perfect 2.5rd line center in the NHL. He has enough offensive creativity to play part time 2nd line center, but he's a good 2-way center and has the size and reach and speed to play on the 3rd line.

CRL
05-29-2014, 09:55 PM
Marlies up 3-0 in 3-rd

Metalleaf
05-29-2014, 10:27 PM
Series tied 2-2, next game in Toronto before they head back to Texas.

number17
05-30-2014, 09:46 AM
Yup, pivotal game 5 coming up tomorrow and I'm gonna be down at Ricoh! :)

I think the lineup shuffle worked in game 4, it was almost like a different team that showed up compared to game 3.

Percy and Granberg, who really struggled in game 3, were very good in game 4.

Abbott scored 3 goals in a 4-0 win, so obviously he was a big part of it. But I continue to be impressed by Holland, Leivo. MacIntyre also played well. McKegg struggled thus far in the series and he was better last night. Ross and Biggs are busts - this is official.

Bleedsblue&white
05-30-2014, 12:59 PM
I wish the city wasn't so ****ed up with construction; I'm assuming the Ricoh is not sold out, but I don't want to be anywhere near the GTA with the DVP and Gardiner closed, and an afternoon Jays game.
Who plans a bike race on the DVP?

trujaysfan
05-30-2014, 01:29 PM
I wish the city wasn't so ****ed up with construction; I'm assuming the Ricoh is not sold out, but I don't want to be anywhere near the GTA with the DVP and Gardiner closed, and an afternoon Jays game.
Who plans a bike race on the DVP?

Don't forget the TFC game as well... going to be jammed downtown tomorrow. I'll be one of the idiots driving downtown tomorrow but hopefully i will be early enough to miss most of the traffic

Bleedsblue&white
05-30-2014, 03:19 PM
I did forget. Three major sporting events, let's shut down two major arteries.
It's like this city is being run by someone on crack.

number17
05-30-2014, 03:22 PM
DVP is closed tomorrow??? Again???!!!

Gosh I gotta head down EARLY then

Bleedsblue&white
05-30-2014, 03:25 PM
DVP is closed tomorrow??? Again???!!!

Gosh I gotta head down EARLY then

Double check, there is a bike race for cancer, or heart disease, maybe anal warts...I don't know...I heard it mentioned on the Fan early this AM, so check which day in case it's Sunday.

number17
06-02-2014, 12:27 PM
So the Marlies were outplayed by Texas, and despite jumping to a 1-0 lead a minute into the game, they struggled for most of the game with the same thing their parent club struggles with ...

- Poor board plays
- Neutral ice turnovers
- Poor PP

MacIntyre kept them in the game but at the end of the game they were outshot like 50-25 ... and they deserve to lose. The main turning point was the almost full 2-min 5 on 3 PP, and they were up 1-0 at that point. If that could go ahead 2-0 that could have been the game right there, but they failed to even generate good chances in taht PP and soon after the PP Texas scored on MacIntyre and taht was the turning point.

Now they'll fight for survival tonight, as the Stars could finish them up tonight. It's a tall order to win both games in Texas so unfortunately, this is as far as the Marlies can go in the playoff.

BG
06-03-2014, 12:03 PM
Marlies won last night with a full team effort and almost shutout the Stars 3-0 if not for a 6-4 goal scored against in the last 4 mins.

Game 7 tonight, 8:30 LeafsTV.

number17
06-03-2014, 12:13 PM
The officiating was ridiculous last night ... the marlies had to kill off TWO 5on3's but they did it with a total team effort to preserve the W.

MacIntyre was amazing. He's really in the zone and we'll need that from him again tonight.

But Holland's been especially imrpressive. He went to the the coach's office after the morning skate and said he wanted to be that guy to carry the team, asked the coach to use him in all situations promising he'd deliver ... and sure he did.

Granberg also had a HUGE game and the coach specifically mentioned how key he was in killing the 8 penalties.

Go Marlies Go!! 1 more W and we're in the finals!

Killer93
06-03-2014, 09:24 PM
1-0 McLaren with a snipe

trujaysfan
06-03-2014, 09:49 PM
1-0 after the 1st

Killer93
06-03-2014, 10:09 PM
Holland makes it 2-0

CRL
06-03-2014, 10:40 PM
meltdown

hockeylover
06-03-2014, 11:18 PM
3-2 Texas. What is it with this organization and leads in the playoffs?

Metalleaf
06-03-2014, 11:47 PM
Marlies bow out to the best team in the AHL this season...tough...but a great season nonetheless.

number17
06-04-2014, 12:39 AM
The Marlies are a well-bred Leafs farm team ... you can tell from how we played in game 7.

I mean, we had a 2-0 lead and was well in control of the game, but as soon as the Stars got 1 back we panicked. When they got 2 back we were looking very bad, but at least we were saved by the bell so at least we went into the 3rd tied 2-2. But you could tell the team was shakey. Even making a 10' pass was challenging all of a sudden.

The playoff series was down to 1 period of hockey when the 3rd began, but you could tell right off the bat the Marlies were playing not to lose instead of to win, and as soon as the Stars got the lead it was over. We just had to make sure we allow 3 more unanswered goal to complete the meltdown in typical Leafs fashion.

I think there are plenty of blames to go around in this game. MacWilliam had a bad game but he's an AHL vet ... Percy and Granberg each cost us a goal but that's the kinda rookie mistake you expect.

All in all, I gotta say this - the Marlies got MUCH further than I expected in the playoff (overachieved! Woo-hoo! Let's give all Marlies staff a 2 yrs extension too!) and getting beat by the best team in the AHL is no shame ... I just wish it wasn't a meltdown like the way it went down (why does this sound so familiar?? Hmmm...)

I think a few guys played well in the playoff and should be in strong contention for Leafs job next year - the best of them being Peter Holland. This guy should be a lock for 3rd line duty next year, playing 15-20 min of hockey, being given a 2-way role and maybe be on the 2nd PK unit too.

Other Marlies who had a strong year and strong playoff include D'Amigo, Leivo (who faded off in the 3rd round), Ashton. None of them come close to how impressive Holland was though.

I think Carrick, McKegg and Abbott may have a NHL career too.

Percy and Granberg also looked good at times, but they need more time in the AHL.

Ross and Biggs are busts.

I don't see an NHLer in Brennan ... if he signs somewhere else good for him, but I don't think he has a future in the Leafs organization.


Oh and the biggest reason we lost tonight:

Watching Leafs TV, when the team was leading 2-0, 7 min into the 2nd, on the screen it was shown a phone # and the web address to book Calder Cup Finals tickets.

Bad karma for celebrating way too soon .... ah well.

hockeylover
06-04-2014, 01:26 AM
I think there are plenty of blames to go around in this game. MacWilliam had a bad game but he's an AHL vet ... Percy and Granberg each cost us a goal but that's the kinda rookie mistake you expect.

Regular Season AHL Games
MacWilliam 59
Percy 75
Granberg 74

MacWilliam's just older but he actually doesn't have more pro experience.

leafman101
06-04-2014, 09:07 AM
The Marlies aren't a great team. They are much younger than the Stars and that is the difference. They had guys like Smith, Abbott, Marshall and Brennan, but the team was really led by Holland, Ashton, D'Amigo and Carrick up front and Percy, MacWilliams and Granberg on the blueline.

The Stars had guys like Faksa, Oleksiak and Jokipaka but they played depth roles and the old guys like Meech, Morin, Dowling, Jeffries, Heddin and Fortunas led the way. Ranford and Ritchie were the only young guys that did anything.

And then of course taking out some of your best players like Leivo for Ross and Maclaren makes no sense.

IMO the most impressive Marlies were Holland, MacWilliams and Carrick. Holland was playing below his level. MacWilliams and Carrick were just solid, and were strong on the pick and moved the puck really well. MOst of the Marlies couldn't hit a pass to save their lives, but those guys did it effectively.

Granberg and Percy looked good at times, but they also made a ton of really shitty mistakes and Granberg was caught out of position a lot. A lot. I think he might have been making Percy's job harder, so its tougher to judge him, but for the way Percy skates and handles the puck he really took a back seat and didn't do very much. He didn't seem to have a very high panic threshold. I had those guys pencilled in for next year, but I'm not so sure after watching this round. I didn't see much of the first two rounds though so maybe they just had a bad round or wore down. But they didn't look very good. MacWilliams should be able to play at the next level though.

Ashton and D'Amigo looked like Ashton and D'Amigo. They are 4th liners.

McKegg was garbage.

MacIntyre is a good AHL goalie, but he is very sloppy, and flops around a lot. He's not an NHLer.

number17
06-05-2014, 11:41 AM
I agree leafman.

Still, I'd much rather we didn't lose in a collapse like that in 3rd period of game 7.

leafman101
06-05-2014, 11:58 AM
Totally, its brutal. Especially considering everything else this ******* organization puts us through.

I don't even care about the Marlies, but something good is happening so I check it out and they still pull the rug out from under us. ****ers.