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2014-15 Dynasty Hockey Discussion

I see why it was set up the way it was, but it really does skew player value in this league. Going to all forwards would let you take positional considerations out the equation and just trade for or draft the player you feel has the most talent and scoring potential in our league.
 
Only problem with that is people can load up on centers and get extra points, which is pretty unrealistic.

I think you can work it so that only centers get faceoff points though. So still have C and W, and make everyone dual eligible, but only the C get the faceoff points.
 
MyNameIsJonas said:
I'd be in favor of saying once you hit so many faceoffs in a season or fo/g that you can no longer have W eligibility.
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The problem then becomes one that is out of our hands. Take Filppula for example...he's being played at centre, but has played wing for the majority of his career...why can't I use him on the wing? Because his current coach has him at C? What happens if Tampa trades for another C and pushes Filppula to the wing? Now I can use him at wing?

Despite the player's obvious abilities at the position, we're at the mercy of the coach of that team.
 
leafman101 said:
Only problem with that is people can load up on centers and get extra points, which is pretty unrealistic.

I think you can work it so that only centers get faceoff points though. So still have C and W, and make everyone dual eligible, but only the C get the faceoff points.
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There we go, problem solved.
 
leafman101 said:
Only problem with that is people can load up on centers and get extra points, which is pretty unrealistic.

I think you can work it so that only centers get faceoff points though. So still have C and W, and make everyone dual eligible, but only the C get the faceoff points.
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Sounds like a sensible solution all things considered.
 
I feel like we talk a lot about making really big changes to this league, to fix the most minute of issues....
 
leafman101 said:
Only problem with that is people can load up on centers and get extra points, which is pretty unrealistic.

I think you can work it so that only centers get faceoff points though. So still have C and W, and make everyone dual eligible, but only the C get the faceoff points.
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Jonas supports
 
leafman101 said:
Only problem with that is people can load up on centers and get extra points, which is pretty unrealistic.

I think you can work it so that only centers get faceoff points though. So still have C and W, and make everyone dual eligible, but only the C get the faceoff points.
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Except that's going to take value away from the guys that Mindz pointed out who are wingers but are also good at Faceoffs and get some. If we're looking to award points to guys for bringing value to their NHL team then I think a winger who wins a couple hundred faceoffs a year at a 55% clip is definitely valuable.

Really, if we're going all forwards I don't see an issue with people "loading up" on centres. It's not like a roto league where it matters what categories you score in. It's a points league. If a guy is putting up .8 fppg then that's his value, whether it's from faceoffs, goals, assist or pims.
 
Montana said:
I feel like we talk a lot about making really big changes to this league, to fix the most minute of issues....
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I don't really see it as a minute issue, it's skews the value heavily towards wingers because you need twice as many of them, when in reality a true centre of similar production is more valuable. I know I've had to throw in a little extra in a deal if I was getting a winger and trading a centre. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
 
Habspatrol said:
Except that's going to take value away from the guys that Mindz pointed out who are wingers but are also good at Faceoffs and get some. If we're looking to award points to guys for bringing value to their NHL team then I think a winger who wins a couple hundred faceoffs a year at a 55% clip is definitely valuable.
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Agreed.

Really, if we're going all forwards I don't see an issue with people "loading up" on centres. It's not like a roto league where it matters what categories you score in. It's a points league. If a guy is putting up .8 fppg then that's his value, whether it's from faceoffs, goals, assist or pims.
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....because, (imo), having 12 slots where a team could theoretically have 8 Centers in his lineup would be retarded.


Again, feels like we're looking to make somewhat drastic changes that bring up their own problems, to solve something that really hasn't been a very significant issues for going in three years now.
 
I tend to agree its not a big issue.

One way or the other I'm pretty indifferent. But as mentioned above, if people do want changes have to be aware of the too many centers issue it would create.
 
Deckie007 said:
I don't really see it as a minute issue, it's skews the value heavily towards wingers because you need twice as many of them
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Needing twice as making wingers as Centers is true in our league as it is the NHL......and Centers in our league produce more points (value) than wingers by virtue of their ability to generate extra points by taking Faceoffs.

when in reality a true centre of similar production is more valuable.
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This is already true in our league....


Phil Kessel a winger had 80pts in 82 games, for 88.27 fantasy points.

Anze Kopitar a center, had 70pts in 82 games, for 91.64 fantasy points.



So Kopitar, despite scoring 10 less real world points, scored more fantasy points specifically because he's a center who generates added points as a result of his position.

Added production/value for centers is already baked into the pie.
 
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Kopitar is also a better player in real life than Kessel is, so I'm not sure that's the best example. Most people would deem him to be the more valuable player and that is reflected in the totals.
 
The fact Kopitar is a better real world player and our scoring format already reflects that.....is a good thing.

That's kinda my point.
 
Montana said:
Needing twice as making wingers as Centers is true in our league as it is the NHL......and Centers in our league produce more points (value) than wingers by virtue of their ability to generate extra points by taking Faceoffs.



This is already true in our league....


Phil Kessel a winger had 80pts in 82 games, for 88.27 fantasy points.

Anze Kopitar a center, had 70pts in 82 games, for 91.64 fantasy points.



So Kopitar, despite scoring 10 less real world points, scored more fantasy points specifically because he's a center who generates added points as a result of his position.

Added production/value for centers is already baked into the pie.
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This is a fair point. Why not find a middle ground to allow more centres to be actually used, though? 4 C spots, 6 W spots, 2 F spots? Would cap it at 6 and diminish the positional scarcity of W a bit without completely unbalancing things, wouldn't it?
 
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