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worm said:
One in Washington...
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MindzEye said:
They're not.

Zona is in that weird place that rebuilding teams find themselves in, waiting to see if a bucket of high skill young kids are going to figure it out (Strome, Perlini, Chychrun, Dvorak, Crouse, Merkley, Capobianco) but they don't have a terrible looking group to slot those kids in around either

Keller, OEL, AG, Stepan, Hjalmarsson, Goligoski, Demers. Raanta has quietly established himself as a legit 1A imo. Like I argued over on the Habs board, they've got something going on there that just hasn't shown up in the points column yet. Their offence was disgustingly bad last season, but if a couple of those kids sort themselves out and make steps forward (nevermind if it's Strome, who was PPG+ in the AHL as a 20 yr old), they become respectable in a hurry. Not good yet, but chasing the playoff bubble absolutely.

The Habs are a mess. Nothing up the middle of their forward group, slow on the blueline, with what appears to be a half broken former superstar in net. Now, if Price bounces back to even .920ish level, that would be a huge help and the Habs probably creep into average territory defensively. (They were 26th last season and while the goaltending wasn't good overall, at .907 it wasn't exactly tragic either) But even if that happens, I don't see a scenario in which the Habs are markedly better offensively. Even if Weber plays the entire season, and MaxPac isn't traded and bounces back to normal. Even if Hudon and Lehkonen take steps forward and Byron keeps up this mid/late career surge, I just don't see how this group becomes even average offensively. Drouin-Domi (I'm assuming this is what's going to happen)-Danault are 2 wingers and a solid 3C up the middle. It's just not going to end well for them.

So yeah, even if everything goes right for this group they might, might be a 90 point team with their best players either older and starting to break down or with a foot halfway out the door.
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I think it's pretty much outside the realm of possibility that Price puts up a .920 with that team in front of him.
 
UWHabs said:
I'm more concerned that he's going to go "Character, durr" and make a stupid draft choice.
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I'd be worried about this too. Or even just them misjudging talent in choosing one kid over another.

Their drafting record has been pretty much horrific. If anyone can screw up 3rd overall, it's Bergy.
 
LeafOfFaith said:
I think it's pretty much outside the realm of possibility that Price puts up a .920 with that team in front of him.
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He's put up significantly better numbers with similarly mediocre groups of players in front of him. I'd also like to remind everyone that SV% doesn't really correlate to quality of the team in front of you. Raanta almost put up a .930 last year backstopping Arizona ffs.
 
zeke said:
22-23

JVR: 91gms, ES (A-), 2.14p60, 1.61p160, +0.3cfr, +1.3xgfr / PP 2.61p60, 2.61p160
Kadri: 126gms, ES (B), 2.22p60, 1.88p160, +3.2cfr, +5.7xgfr / PP 5.26p60, 4.00p160

yeah, other than JVR not beasting the PP yet, they were who they were at 23 too.

their coaches and management were idiots though.

22-23

Galy: 143gms, ES (B-), 1.67p60, 1.32p160, -3.0cfr, -5.8xgfr / PP 5.81p60, 3.71p160

He's terrible.
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These stats include Naz's near ppg 2012-13 season. He's never come close to that output since. The reason, in retrospect, seems obvious: he was in midseason form while most of the league was working off a prolonged lock-out induced layoff.

In any event, those numbers skew these results and do not reflect the player he is today or has been since he was 23.

Further, his production (particularly goalscoring) saw a noticeable bump after he turned 26. Seems like a really good example of someone who improved well beyond his 23rd birthday.
 
MindzEye said:
He's put up significantly better numbers with similarly mediocre groups of players in front of him. I'd also like to remind everyone that SV% doesn't really correlate to quality of the team in front of you. Raanta almost put up a .930 last year backstopping Arizona ffs.
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His team has never been this bad. And he’s frankly not so great anyway.

They should compete for last place this year, especially after Max gets dealt for someone older, worse, and more expensive.
 
TSN 1200 radio just announced F Mike Hoffman, D Cody Donaghy and Ottawa's 5th round pick in 2020 has been traded for F Mikkel Boedker, D Julius Bergman and San Jose's 6th round pick in 2020.
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lol...I for one am enjoying this whole "sens and habs collective dumpster fire" thing
 
Is Bergman like better than i think? or is Boddeker like, not as crap as i think?

Boddeker, Ryan, Michalek, Gaborik.

These guys love trading for overpriced garbage wingers from other teams.
 
leafman101 said:
The Sens are just lucky someone would take him. They had to move him immediately to have any attempt at resigning Karlsson.
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Spoiler

They are not re-signing Karlsson

Super Spoiler

They will torpedo his value by demanding whoever trades for Karlsson also take Bobby Ryan or newly acquired dead money Mikael Bodeker.
 
Boedker was a healthy scratch for the Sharks I believe. They essentially gave away Hoffman so maybe Karlsson stays?
 
They gave away Hoffman because he was a major locker room problem for them. Did anyone really think a team would give up anything for him at this point?

They essentially paid the Sharks to take him. Took a bad contract and gave up a better pick. He had no value.
 
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