UWHabs
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That's the problem. I mean, he's not a bad pickup on his own. Happ is no top line starter, let's be real here. But I'm just not sure how Drury is really any better than the guys we have right now.
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That's the problem. I mean, he's not a bad pickup on his own. Happ is no top line starter, let's be real here. But I'm just not sure how Drury is really any better than the guys we have right now.
MindzEye
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exactly...Drury isn't good enough to push anyone for playing time.
UWHabs
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Oh has a cheap option for next year, so that helps to explain it. But was definitely hoping that Happ could have gotten us at least someone who had plus upside.
CaptainBolduke
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He's not good enough to take away playing time from Gurriel and Solate and he's likely not good enough to take away time from Travis. He can't play short so he doesn't take time away from Diaz. He might get playing time in the OF if Granderson is moved.
He's essentially a middling infielder that is blocked by better middling infielders.
Don't try to justify this trade just because you like Skatkins. It was widely expected that the Jays would get at least one potentially needle moving player/prospect in the Happ trade.
They didn't.
mbow30
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Agreed - the walk and k rates suggest significan limits on his potential but there’s gotta be some power potential there - 6’5 and 41 hr in his first 650 minor league pa’s...
Unless your landing a Vlad or Torres type stud no one is moving the needle on a 25 man roster that will be overhauled in 2 years .
Its got nothing to do with liking Shats or the goofy looking Atkins . Happ had a rough 3 weeks which probably pushed his value down .
Yanks were not parting with a top prospect . They are hoarding them to keep a handful on service control or move down the road for an ace pitche
They are stacked and have the depth to remain a contender for probably 5-7 years .
MindzEye
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That is a pretty silly definition of "needle moving".
Pushed it down to nothing? No.
Okay, then take a couple of A ball lottery tickets with talent for him.
This trade was ****ing terrible, it serves no purpose at all.
CaptainBolduke
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Further to being probably behind Gurriel, Solarte, Travis and Diaz (cause of his position) - Drury is also behind Valddy,
and Bo.... maybe even Donaldson and Tulo.
Drury serves no purpose on the Jays other than being cheap and controllable.
This trade was a miss.
and Bo.... maybe even Donaldson and Tulo.
Drury serves no purpose on the Jays other than being cheap and controllable.
This trade was a miss.
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UWHabs
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The fangraphs analysis of the deal was basically "Jays got decent enough value for Happ, but the guys are not really what they need." Low upside util guys with control just aren't what we need now.
JackBurton
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Problem for the Jays is virtually everyone's value has dropped since the start of the season. Better to wait till next year to make the big moves.
CaptainBolduke
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The issue here is that if you do this you start to run the risk of not competing while Vladdy is cheap and controllable. There is a real possibility that Vladdy won't be a Blue Jay when he is 26 or 27 years old.
I bet the plan from day 1 was a tear down but squashed by Rogers
MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
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It was, Shapiro was furious with AA for trading assets and loading up the team payroll in an attempt to compete.
uncus
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Agree
CaptainBolduke
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See my response to this above. There is a risk because Vladdy's controllable years are now.
UWHabs
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Well, at this point, I doubt we see Vlad up this year. Meaning he'll still need 2-3 weeks of "conditioning" at the start of next year, and then magically be ready the day that gives us an extra year of control over him. So we'll have him for 7 seasons under control.
But if you want to go full tank, that means you need 2-3 years of securing top draft picks, and then another 3-4 years before they're ready. And at that point, Vlad, Bo, etc... aren't cheap anymore. Never mind that Vlad/Bo/etc... might be good enough that you can't get all the way to the bottom, ruining any chance of a tank.
You don't have to go full Astros or full Cubs. But they really need to stop caring about depth pieces like Drury or Solarte except to rebuild their value, sell off and suck for 1-2 years, and then come back stronger in a couple years when Vlad is at his peak. That probably means dealing off guys like Pillar, Stroman, Sanchez, Osuna this off-season and swapping them for pieces either with upside, or guys with more control. But it also means living with a team that only wins 70 games next year, and not sure the guys up top will be willing to deal with that.
Leafin'
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A bit of a let down but Happ did himself no favors with a horrible month. Drury looks to be a possible undervalued piece that the Yankees had no use for with Andujar coming up. Fits the recent motive of cheap controllable pieces ala Grichuk, Diaz. I was hoping for at least 1 pitching prospect lotto ticket but i guess it just wasn't there to be had.
Drury probably takes over at 3B until Donaldson comes back. I think with some consistent positional playing time we could see Drury improve his defense. Being a league average hitter he gives us a cheap controllable guy until Vlady comes up.
Interesting article i read about Drury being a breakout candidate:
http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=34815
At 25 years old i wouldn't shoot him down just yet. Especially after just 57 PA's and being hurt with the Yankees this year. Many wanted to DFA Grichuk here early on and he seems to have turned it around a bit.
Drury probably takes over at 3B until Donaldson comes back. I think with some consistent positional playing time we could see Drury improve his defense. Being a league average hitter he gives us a cheap controllable guy until Vlady comes up.
Interesting article i read about Drury being a breakout candidate:
http://rotoprofessor.com/baseball/?p=34815
At 25 years old i wouldn't shoot him down just yet. Especially after just 57 PA's and being hurt with the Yankees this year. Many wanted to DFA Grichuk here early on and he seems to have turned it around a bit.
Leafin'
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I don't see why we move Sanchez, Stroman or Osuna. Those are our upside plays. We need them to be better but they are as high potential as it gets. You're not getting a better prospect back for Osuna than a 23 year old with the most saves in mlb history for his age. Stroman hates losing, is being a baby. So what. Sanchez has been disappointing but its not like it a structural problem with him. We move him and i see him burning us.
All the other guys that are 30ish+ can be moved. Martin, Tulo, Donaldson, Morales, Smoak, Pillar, all our relievers sans Osuna.
All the other guys that are 30ish+ can be moved. Martin, Tulo, Donaldson, Morales, Smoak, Pillar, all our relievers sans Osuna.