MyNameIsJonas
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I'm sure the "value" between Estrada and whatever we give for Jaso is a wash.
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I'm sure the "value" between Estrada and whatever we give for Jaso is a wash.
MindzEye
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I'll bet you that Jaso is better value for the money.
You don't seem to get it. If Player A provides you with 400AB of .840 OPS platoon DH offence for 7.5 million and Player B provides .820 of the same for 4 million, you were much better off with Player B, and spending the other 3.5 elsewhere in your lineup.
Would you rather have Lind providing 1.6 WAR of value for 7.5 million, or Jaso providing 1.5 for 4 million and a decent reliever for another 3.5 million? There's a lineup of high K/9 relievers that we could get, and need badly, for that kind of additional money.
MindzEye
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#GetsIt
zeke
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then we have to factor in estrada's salary, too.
MyNameIsJonas
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Well to be fair, i'm requiring Lind to be twice as good as Jaso even though that would be a fair bet if he made 6M.
MindzEye
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If we got Estrada for Lind and then traded Estrada for Jaso, Estrada's salary is a wash.
*edit*
Misunderstood your point
Sure, but trading for Estrada allows us to trade Happ for relief help.
CaptainBolduke
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You don't seem to get it. Jaso hasn't posted a OPS over .770 since 2012. So you're just making stuff up now.
The fact is that Lind will be a better hitter than Jaso. Jaso will cost an asset, and we traded for a 4 million dollar reliever for Lind.
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MyNameIsJonas
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MindzEye
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Why are you so hung up on OPS? Jaso plays in one of the worst hitters ball parks in the majors, Lind played in one of the best. Jaso was a 128 wRC+ (which is adjusted for park factor) to Lind's 164 wRC+ last season. A 133 the year prior (to Lind's 150)
Lind is the better platoon option, but
Nobody is disputing that. What we're trying to show you though is that he's not 4+ million dollars better.
The bottom line is this. Lind was a specialist, only good at one thing and that thing happens to be a heavily populated profession in MLB with a lot of options able to provide similar production for cheaper. If you can free up that money to use on more important positions/roles, you do it.
MyNameIsJonas
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per Jon Morosi.
Jays talking to Reds about Jay Bruce
Jays talking to Reds about Jay Bruce
CaptainBolduke
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What we're trying to tell you is that this also includes an asset and a 4 million dollar reliever.
I can use passive aggressive language on the internets too.
leafman101
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I'd gamble on Bruce.
MyNameIsJonas
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It's my understanding he played hurt last year and that was the reason for his sub Rasmus level season.
His prior 4 though are pretty damn good, and would look real nice as a LH stick between EE and Jose.
MyNameIsJonas
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He could also play LF for us and still allow us to make the move for Jaso.
CaptainBolduke
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The issue with Bruce is that he has a pretty big salary for 3 more years and he will cost a good asset or two.
Not sure if it makes more sense to just sign Melky for 3 or million more a season.
Not sure if it makes more sense to just sign Melky for 3 or million more a season.
CaptainBolduke
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The moment I read the Bruce was available last week, I knew it was just a matter of time before someone said we were talking to Cincy about him.
MyNameIsJonas
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Bruce comes in at 12, 12.5 and 13 ( option)
If you get the 2009-2013 Bruce it's a bargain.
CaptainBolduke
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Bruce was worse than Rasmus last year and has a knee issue. Likely doesn't bode well for the turf.
leafman101
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Yeah, but if Bruce does rebound, and this season was just an injury-filled-off-year, you probably couldn't make a better move.