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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainBolduke View Post
    Yeah - I don't mind Solarte, but Pearce and Solarte are expensive bench players. Doesn't seem like the best use of limited resources.
    Well, I'd expect Solarte to get ~400 PA, which could be about 1.5 WAR. And at 4M, that's really a very reasonable price. He's also under control for a few years, so if/when we do trade JD at the deadline, we don't have to rush Vlad Jr. Pearce is a 6M replacement level player in LF, but if we could find a way to dump Morales on someone, then Pearce would have some value as a platoon DH (his defense in LF was so bad that he would gain position value by being a DH). Both are still better uses of money than what we spent on Morales + JB last year, though. Nothing wrong with having a couple expensive bench bats, although we still better starting players for RF+LF.

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    It's really hard to upgrade on Goins and Barney without spending a little bit of money, and Diaz/Solarte are massive upgrades on that front for really a minimal cost.

    Morales is the guy who prevents both those guys and Pearce from having more value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsJonas View Post
    It's really hard to upgrade on Goins and Barney without spending a little bit of money, and Diaz/Solarte are massive upgrades on that front for really a minimal cost.

    Morales is the guy who prevents both those guys and Pearce from having more value.
    freeing up DH time for tulo, martin and even travis & JD is so important. they ought to just cut their losses on morales if they can't find a team to take him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbow30 View Post
    freeing up DH time for tulo, martin and even travis & JD is so important. they ought to just cut their losses on morales if they can't find a team to take him.
    I think there's a chance Morales bounces back to be not completely useless, so I don't think I'd quite go so far as to just DFA/release him, but if we could get someone to take on even 5-6M of his remaining 22M salary, that would definitely open things up.

    My hope is that we could pull off a deal with, say, Texas, swapping him for Choo. They have too many left-handed corner/OF bats, that I think they might not mind someone who can in theory hit a little against lefties, and saves them some money. Whereas Choo would fit great for the Jays as a DH/RF, high OBP left-handed bat. He's overpaid, but if you subtract out Morales' deal from him, it values him at about 3/40, which is probably not too far off from his worth. Or something like that - I doubt anyone would really want Morales, but if we can get them to give us someone a little more expensive, but who fits in better for us than for them, that would be perfect.

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    Morales is not a good candidate to bounce back. The only attribute he has is hitting, and he's not going to become a better hitter at 34/35. In fact he will turn more doubles into singles as he gets older and heavier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainBolduke View Post
    Morales is not a good candidate to bounce back. The only attribute he has is hitting, and he's not going to become a better hitter at 34/35. In fact he will turn more doubles into singles as he gets older and heavier.
    He could "bounce back" by cutting his Ks down a little or increasing his BB rate, but yeah, on second glance, it's not like he ran an abnormally low BABIP or HR/FB rate last year. I guess he could raise his FB rate a little more, but even all those rates were around his career norms. Okay, I'll retract my previous statement. He's fully toast, and were he a FA now, it's questionable whether anyone would even give him a spring training invite.

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    Having guys like Solarte and Diaz ( especially if he returns to his 2016 form) makes it so much easier to DFA Morales at the end of May if he's still ****ing shit, and have an open DH spot for Pearce, especially if an Alford or Hernandez is ready.

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    why waste anybody's time? he is what he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWHabs View Post
    He could "bounce back" by cutting his Ks down a little or increasing his BB rate, but yeah, on second glance, it's not like he ran an abnormally low BABIP or HR/FB rate last year. I guess he could raise his FB rate a little more, but even all those rates were around his career norms. Okay, I'll retract my previous statement. He's fully toast, and were he a FA now, it's questionable whether anyone would even give him a spring training invite.
    well, i think a guy w a 250 avg, 300 obp and 25-30 hr would find an invite, and can probably find a role on a roster somewhere.

    but the jays don't need his power. he doesn't bring anything to the table that this team needs.

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    Morales for Choo as a base kinda intrigues me.

    Choo can still get on base and would fill a hole at the top of the order and in RF.

    I have to think Jays would need to add some sort of sweetener

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    Morales is such deadweight. Anything we can do to get him off our roster should be done immediately.

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    The Astros are on the verge of acquiring Gerrit Cole from the Pirates.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hairnova View Post
    The Astros are on the verge of acquiring Gerrit Cole from the Pirates.
    The rich get richer.

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    At least it's not the Yanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deckie007 View Post
    At least it's not the Yanks
    Or the Red Sox.

    If the Jays play their cards right they are legit wildcard contenders.
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    Well, Jeff Passan just said the trade's not happening. For now anyway.

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    Jay Bruce to Mets 3/39

    Very reasonable for a player i wouldn't have wanted on the Jays due to roster construction, and a deal that forever makes the Morales deal look worse.

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    thank god.
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    Yeah, he was always a risk that we would end up with him. I'd say the deal isn't that bad, but he has only been worth 3 WAR total over the last 4 seasons. Although if you think his power spike the last couple years is sustainable, it might not be an ugly deal.

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    Seth Smith coming our way.

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