Leafs' Prospect/Marlies Discussion Thread!
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MindzEye
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
It would be harder here than anywhere else, yes. Would it potentially ruin him though? Depends. In a "coke and whores" kind of a way, yeah. But I think he's too good as a pure talent relative to the rest of the league for the pressure of playing in Toronto to ruin him as a player.
It would be harder here than anywhere else, yes. Would it potentially ruin him though? Depends. In a "coke and whores" kind of a way, yeah. But I think he's too good as a pure talent relative to the rest of the league for the pressure of playing in Toronto to ruin him as a player.
mbow30
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Leafin'
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
If a prospect were to get "ruined" by playing in this market it would be more on him than because of the "market" itself.
What i comes down to is insulating young hockey players with a good players around them. 1 guy won't make a team by himself, especially if he is still developing his craft.
An 18 year old Crosby wouldn't help this team in his first season. kind of the same thing that is happening in Colorado right now with MacKinnon. Their defense is awful, but they have a lot of talent up front. Sound familiar?
Who is a better prospect coming out(honest question)? McDavid or Mackinnon at draft time?
If a prospect were to get "ruined" by playing in this market it would be more on him than because of the "market" itself.
What i comes down to is insulating young hockey players with a good players around them. 1 guy won't make a team by himself, especially if he is still developing his craft.
An 18 year old Crosby wouldn't help this team in his first season. kind of the same thing that is happening in Colorado right now with MacKinnon. Their defense is awful, but they have a lot of talent up front. Sound familiar?
Who is a better prospect coming out(honest question)? McDavid or Mackinnon at draft time?
MindzEye
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LeafOfFaith
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
Not really. Our defense has been pretty darn good lately, even with some pretty bad goaltending.
Not really. Our defense has been pretty darn good lately, even with some pretty bad goaltending.
BKerr
Banned
Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
Mackinnon was good and a first overall but he was below guys like stamkos... tavares... pat kane.
Mcdavid is ahead of them
Mc david by a mile.
Mackinnon was good and a first overall but he was below guys like stamkos... tavares... pat kane.
Mcdavid is ahead of them
WellPlayed
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zeke
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
draft year:
Crosby 62gms, 66gls, 168pts (82gms, 87gls, 222pts)
McDavid 28gms, 24gls, 72pts (82gms, 70gls, 211pts)
Kane 58gms, 62gls, 145pts (82gms, 88gls, 205pts)
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Hall 57gms, 40gls, 106pts (82gms, 58gls, 153pts)
Tavares 56gms, 58gls, 104pts (82gms, 85gls, 152pts)
Stamkos 61gms, 58gls, 105pts (82gms, 78gls, 141pts)
MacKinnon 44gms, 32gls, 75pts (82gms, 60gls, 140pts)
Yakupov 42gms, 31gls, 69pts (82gms, 61gls, 135pts)
N-Hopkins 69gms, 31gls, 106pts (82gms, 37gls, 126pts)
draft year:
Crosby 62gms, 66gls, 168pts (82gms, 87gls, 222pts)
McDavid 28gms, 24gls, 72pts (82gms, 70gls, 211pts)
Kane 58gms, 62gls, 145pts (82gms, 88gls, 205pts)
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Hall 57gms, 40gls, 106pts (82gms, 58gls, 153pts)
Tavares 56gms, 58gls, 104pts (82gms, 85gls, 152pts)
Stamkos 61gms, 58gls, 105pts (82gms, 78gls, 141pts)
MacKinnon 44gms, 32gls, 75pts (82gms, 60gls, 140pts)
Yakupov 42gms, 31gls, 69pts (82gms, 61gls, 135pts)
N-Hopkins 69gms, 31gls, 106pts (82gms, 37gls, 126pts)
BKerr
Banned
Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
Im not sure 100 points at 18 is realistic for a rookie, even someone as good as mcdavid, cause that seems to have been a league wide anomaly.
05-06 is a weird season with nearly double the PPs as we have today. It also had the most 100 point scorers of any season in the last 15 and 2 guys over 120 points.
Im not sure 100 points at 18 is realistic for a rookie, even someone as good as mcdavid, cause that seems to have been a league wide anomaly.
WellPlayed
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
Ya that's fair. My point really is that a player as good as a Crosby absolutely does impact your team immediately, even as a rookie.
Ya that's fair. My point really is that a player as good as a Crosby absolutely does impact your team immediately, even as a rookie.
BKerr
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
That said the Penguins still finished near the bottom of the league in 05-06 hence why they drafted 2nd overall. It took til crosbys second year (and adding jordan staal and malkin crossing the pond and some other moves) to be a playoff club
The leafs though are still ahead of the 05-06 penguins though with their roster.
True.
That said the Penguins still finished near the bottom of the league in 05-06 hence why they drafted 2nd overall. It took til crosbys second year (and adding jordan staal and malkin crossing the pond and some other moves) to be a playoff club
The leafs though are still ahead of the 05-06 penguins though with their roster.
Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
Which is why I don't know how we have a shot at McDavid anyway other than a lottery win.
Can't see anyone trading that pick.
Which is why I don't know how we have a shot at McDavid anyway other than a lottery win.
Can't see anyone trading that pick.
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BKerr
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
Yes the only option is a lottery win. The leafs werent as good as their 10-1-1 spurt earlier and arent as bad as their current 0-7-1 spurt either
zeke
Well-known member
Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
AHL
C W.Nylander 18: 4gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gm, 21gls, 41pts)
W C.Brown 20: 43gms, 12gls, 33pts (82gms, 23gls, 63pts)
W C.Ashton 23: 11gms, 4gls, 8pts (82gms, 30gls, 60pts)
C G.McKegg 22: 31gms, 8gls, 18pts (82gms, 21gls, 48pts)
W J.Leivo 21: 21gms, 4gls, 13pts (82gms, 16gls, 51pts)
W M.Frattin 26: 26gms, 10gls, 15pts (82gms, 32gls, 47pts)
C S.Carrick 22: 35gms, 3gls, 17pts (82gms, 7gls, 40pts)
W S.Abbott 26: 38gms, 7gls, 20pts (82gms, 15gls, 43pts)
W B.Kozun 24: 18gms, 5gls, 8pts (82gms, 23gls, 36pts)
C R.Rupert 20: 25gms, 5gls, 12pts (82gms, 16gls, 39pts)
W B.Ross 22: 21gms, 4gls, 7pts (82gms, 16gls, 27pts)
C T.Biggs 21: 35gms, 2gls, 4pts (82gms, 5gls, 9pts)
W J.Devane 23: 30gms, 0gls, 1pts (82gms, 0gls, 3pts)
W D.Broll 21: 21gms, 0gls, 0pts (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)
D S.Percy 21: 30gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 4gls, 25pts)
D V.Loov 22: 42gms, 3gls, 12pts (82gms, 6gls, 23pts)
D P.Granberg 22: 28gms, 1gls, 7pts (82gms, 3gls, 21pts)
D T.Nilsson 21: 36gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 2gls, 14pts)
D E.Knodel 24: 9gms, 0gls, 4pts (82gns, 0gls, 36pts)
D M.Finn 20: 21gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 4gls, 8pts)
D A.MacWilliam 24: 39gms, 1gls, 3pts (82gms, 2gls, 6pts)
G G.Sparks 21: 2gms, .966sv%
G A.Bibeau 20: 19gms, .918sv%
G C.Gibson 22: 22gms, .918sv%
SHL
C W.Nylander (18): 21gms, 8gls, 20pts (82gms, 31gls, 78pts)
W A.Johnson (20): 43gms, 18gls, 28pts (82gms, 34gls, 53pts)
W P.Engvall (18): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts (82gms, 0gls, 0pts) --- J20: 22gms, 9gls, 23pts (82gms, 34gls, 86pts)
ECHL
W D.Broll (21): 14gms, 1gls, 8pts (82gms, 6gls, 47pts)
G G.Sparks (21): 17gms, .929sv%
CHL
D R.Valiev (19): 33gms, 7gls, 32pts (82gms, 17gls, 80pts)
D C.Donaghey (18): 27gms, 4gls, 15pts (82gms, 12gls, 46pts)
C C.Verhaeghe (19): 48gms, 20gls, 53pts (82gms, 34gls, 91pts)
C F.Gauthier (19): 23gms, 13gls, 25pts (82gms, 46gls, 91pts)
NCAA
C D.Toninato (20): 24gms, 14gls, 22pts (82gms, 48gls, 75pts)
C N.Vesey (19): 25gms, 6gls, 15pts (82gms, 20gls, 49pts)
C T.Cameranesi (21): 26gms, 6gls, 19pts (82gms, 19gls, 60pts)
D M.Everson (21): 19gms, 1gls, 4pts (82gms, 4gls, 17pts)
C J.Piccinich (18): 8gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 5gls, 9pts)
USHL
C D.Joshua (18): 32gms, 11gls, 27pts (82gms, 28gls, 69pts)
AHL
C W.Nylander 18: 4gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gm, 21gls, 41pts)
W C.Brown 20: 43gms, 12gls, 33pts (82gms, 23gls, 63pts)
W C.Ashton 23: 11gms, 4gls, 8pts (82gms, 30gls, 60pts)
C G.McKegg 22: 31gms, 8gls, 18pts (82gms, 21gls, 48pts)
W J.Leivo 21: 21gms, 4gls, 13pts (82gms, 16gls, 51pts)
W M.Frattin 26: 26gms, 10gls, 15pts (82gms, 32gls, 47pts)
C S.Carrick 22: 35gms, 3gls, 17pts (82gms, 7gls, 40pts)
W S.Abbott 26: 38gms, 7gls, 20pts (82gms, 15gls, 43pts)
W B.Kozun 24: 18gms, 5gls, 8pts (82gms, 23gls, 36pts)
C R.Rupert 20: 25gms, 5gls, 12pts (82gms, 16gls, 39pts)
W B.Ross 22: 21gms, 4gls, 7pts (82gms, 16gls, 27pts)
C T.Biggs 21: 35gms, 2gls, 4pts (82gms, 5gls, 9pts)
W J.Devane 23: 30gms, 0gls, 1pts (82gms, 0gls, 3pts)
W D.Broll 21: 21gms, 0gls, 0pts (82gms, 0gls, 0pts)
D S.Percy 21: 30gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 4gls, 25pts)
D V.Loov 22: 42gms, 3gls, 12pts (82gms, 6gls, 23pts)
D P.Granberg 22: 28gms, 1gls, 7pts (82gms, 3gls, 21pts)
D T.Nilsson 21: 36gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 2gls, 14pts)
D E.Knodel 24: 9gms, 0gls, 4pts (82gns, 0gls, 36pts)
D M.Finn 20: 21gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 4gls, 8pts)
D A.MacWilliam 24: 39gms, 1gls, 3pts (82gms, 2gls, 6pts)
G G.Sparks 21: 2gms, .966sv%
G A.Bibeau 20: 19gms, .918sv%
G C.Gibson 22: 22gms, .918sv%
SHL
C W.Nylander (18): 21gms, 8gls, 20pts (82gms, 31gls, 78pts)
W A.Johnson (20): 43gms, 18gls, 28pts (82gms, 34gls, 53pts)
W P.Engvall (18): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts (82gms, 0gls, 0pts) --- J20: 22gms, 9gls, 23pts (82gms, 34gls, 86pts)
ECHL
W D.Broll (21): 14gms, 1gls, 8pts (82gms, 6gls, 47pts)
G G.Sparks (21): 17gms, .929sv%
CHL
D R.Valiev (19): 33gms, 7gls, 32pts (82gms, 17gls, 80pts)
D C.Donaghey (18): 27gms, 4gls, 15pts (82gms, 12gls, 46pts)
C C.Verhaeghe (19): 48gms, 20gls, 53pts (82gms, 34gls, 91pts)
C F.Gauthier (19): 23gms, 13gls, 25pts (82gms, 46gls, 91pts)
NCAA
C D.Toninato (20): 24gms, 14gls, 22pts (82gms, 48gls, 75pts)
C N.Vesey (19): 25gms, 6gls, 15pts (82gms, 20gls, 49pts)
C T.Cameranesi (21): 26gms, 6gls, 19pts (82gms, 19gls, 60pts)
D M.Everson (21): 19gms, 1gls, 4pts (82gms, 4gls, 17pts)
C J.Piccinich (18): 8gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 5gls, 9pts)
USHL
C D.Joshua (18): 32gms, 11gls, 27pts (82gms, 28gls, 69pts)
zeke
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
AHL
C W.Nylander 18: 10gms, 2gls, 6pts (82gm, 16gls, 49pts)
W C.Brown 20: 49gms, 15gls, 39pts (82gms, 25gls, 65pts)
W B.Leipsic 20: 47gms, 7gls, 35pts (82gms, 12gls, 61pts)
C G.McKegg 22: 36gms, 10gls, 21pts (82gms, 23gls, 48pts)
W J.Leivo 21: 26gms, 6gls, 15pts (82gms, 19gls, 47pts)
W R.Rupert 20: 31gms, 8gls, 17pts (82gms, 21gls, 45pts)
C S.Carrick 22: 40gms, 5gls, 20pts (82gms, 20gls, 41pts)
W M.Frattin 26: 32gms, 15gls, 21pts (82gms, 38gls, 54pts)
W S.Abbott 26: 44gms, 7gls, 24pts (82gms, 13gls, 45pts)
C B.Froese 23: 22gms, 5gls, 14pts (82gms, 19gls, 52pts)
W B.Kozun 24: 23gms, 5gls, 11pts (82gms, 18gls, 39pts)
W T.Bodie 29: 42gms, 7gls, 12pts (82gms, 14gls, 23pts)
C T.Biggs 21: 40gms, 2gls, 4pts (82gms, 4gls, 8pts)
W B.Ross 22: 21gms, 4gls, 7pts (82gms, 16gls, 27pts)
W J.Devane 23: 32gms, 0gls, 2pts (82gms, 0gls, 5pts)
D E.Knodel 24: 16gms, 0gls, 8pts (82gns, 0gls, 41pts)
D B.Mikkelson 27: 34gms, 5gls, 12pts (82gms, 12gls, 29pts)
D V.Loov 22: 48gms, 4gls, 16pts (82gms, 7gls, 27pts)
D S.Percy 21: 20gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 4gls, 25pts)
D P.Granberg 22: 30gms, 1gls, 7pts (82gms, 3gls, 19pts)
D T.Nilsson 21: 36gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 2gls, 14pts)
D M.Finn 20: 25gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 3gls, 7pts)
D A.MacWilliam 24: 45gms, 1gls, 4pts (82gms, 2gls, 7pts)
G G.Sparks 21: 2gms, .966sv%
G C.Gibson 22: 26gms, .919sv%
G A.Bibeau 20: 21gms, .915sv%
SHL
C W.Nylander (18): 21gms, 8gls, 20pts (82gms, 31gls, 78pts)
W A.Johnson (20): 47gms, 18gls, 30pts (82gms, 31gls, 52pts)
W P.Engvall (18): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts (82gms, 0gls, 0pts) --- J20: 22gms, 9gls, 23pts (82gms, 34gls, 86pts)
ECHL
G G.Sparks (21): 22gms, .937sv%
CHL
D R.Valiev (19): 38gms, 8gls, 36pts (82gms, 17gls, 78pts)
C C.Verhaeghe (19): 54gms, 26gls, 64pts (82gms, 40gls, 97pts)
D C.Donaghey (18): 27gms, 4gls, 15pts (82gms, 12gls, 46pts)
C F.Gauthier (19): 28gms, 13gls, 27pts (82gms, 38gls, 79pts)
NCAA
C D.Toninato (20): 26gms, 14gls, 22pts (82gms, 44gls, 69pts)
C N.Vesey (19): 29gms, 7gls, 18pts (82gms, 20gls, 51pts)
C T.Cameranesi (21): 28gms, 7gls, 21pts (82gms, 21gls, 62pts)
D M.Everson (21): 24gms, 1gls, 4pts (82gms, 3gls, 14pts)
C J.Piccinich (18): 19gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 4gls, 9pts)
USHL
C D.Joshua (18): 34gms, 11gls, 27pts (82gms, 27gls, 65pts)
AHL
C W.Nylander 18: 10gms, 2gls, 6pts (82gm, 16gls, 49pts)
W C.Brown 20: 49gms, 15gls, 39pts (82gms, 25gls, 65pts)
W B.Leipsic 20: 47gms, 7gls, 35pts (82gms, 12gls, 61pts)
C G.McKegg 22: 36gms, 10gls, 21pts (82gms, 23gls, 48pts)
W J.Leivo 21: 26gms, 6gls, 15pts (82gms, 19gls, 47pts)
W R.Rupert 20: 31gms, 8gls, 17pts (82gms, 21gls, 45pts)
C S.Carrick 22: 40gms, 5gls, 20pts (82gms, 20gls, 41pts)
W M.Frattin 26: 32gms, 15gls, 21pts (82gms, 38gls, 54pts)
W S.Abbott 26: 44gms, 7gls, 24pts (82gms, 13gls, 45pts)
C B.Froese 23: 22gms, 5gls, 14pts (82gms, 19gls, 52pts)
W B.Kozun 24: 23gms, 5gls, 11pts (82gms, 18gls, 39pts)
W T.Bodie 29: 42gms, 7gls, 12pts (82gms, 14gls, 23pts)
C T.Biggs 21: 40gms, 2gls, 4pts (82gms, 4gls, 8pts)
W B.Ross 22: 21gms, 4gls, 7pts (82gms, 16gls, 27pts)
W J.Devane 23: 32gms, 0gls, 2pts (82gms, 0gls, 5pts)
D E.Knodel 24: 16gms, 0gls, 8pts (82gns, 0gls, 41pts)
D B.Mikkelson 27: 34gms, 5gls, 12pts (82gms, 12gls, 29pts)
D V.Loov 22: 48gms, 4gls, 16pts (82gms, 7gls, 27pts)
D S.Percy 21: 20gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 4gls, 25pts)
D P.Granberg 22: 30gms, 1gls, 7pts (82gms, 3gls, 19pts)
D T.Nilsson 21: 36gms, 1gls, 6pts (82gms, 2gls, 14pts)
D M.Finn 20: 25gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 3gls, 7pts)
D A.MacWilliam 24: 45gms, 1gls, 4pts (82gms, 2gls, 7pts)
G G.Sparks 21: 2gms, .966sv%
G C.Gibson 22: 26gms, .919sv%
G A.Bibeau 20: 21gms, .915sv%
SHL
C W.Nylander (18): 21gms, 8gls, 20pts (82gms, 31gls, 78pts)
W A.Johnson (20): 47gms, 18gls, 30pts (82gms, 31gls, 52pts)
W P.Engvall (18): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts (82gms, 0gls, 0pts) --- J20: 22gms, 9gls, 23pts (82gms, 34gls, 86pts)
ECHL
G G.Sparks (21): 22gms, .937sv%
CHL
D R.Valiev (19): 38gms, 8gls, 36pts (82gms, 17gls, 78pts)
C C.Verhaeghe (19): 54gms, 26gls, 64pts (82gms, 40gls, 97pts)
D C.Donaghey (18): 27gms, 4gls, 15pts (82gms, 12gls, 46pts)
C F.Gauthier (19): 28gms, 13gls, 27pts (82gms, 38gls, 79pts)
NCAA
C D.Toninato (20): 26gms, 14gls, 22pts (82gms, 44gls, 69pts)
C N.Vesey (19): 29gms, 7gls, 18pts (82gms, 20gls, 51pts)
C T.Cameranesi (21): 28gms, 7gls, 21pts (82gms, 21gls, 62pts)
D M.Everson (21): 24gms, 1gls, 4pts (82gms, 3gls, 14pts)
C J.Piccinich (18): 19gms, 1gls, 2pts (82gms, 4gls, 9pts)
USHL
C D.Joshua (18): 34gms, 11gls, 27pts (82gms, 27gls, 65pts)
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hockeyman91
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Re: Leafs' Prospect Discussion Thread!
If he turns out to be as good as Patrick Kane, man that is pretty darn brilliant.
If he turns out to be as good as Patrick Kane, man that is pretty darn brilliant.
