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Leafs' Prospect/Marlies Discussion Thread!

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Agile and quick? Absolu.

Top straight line speed? Not overly impressive.

I'd rather he have the quickness than straight line speed but the fact is he isn't necessarily a fast skater. If you watched him in preseason he consistently got caught in foot races. Shifty and quick first step, which is way more important, but I wouldn't call him fast by any stretch.
 
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LeafGm said:
It's hard to tell.

50% chance he's serious, 50% chance he's Couturier'ing us.
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The Gagner comparison and bragging about my genius was Couturier'ing, not this. Put Marner in a straight line race against any Leaf and odds are he'll lose. Quick off the line but his top speed isn't nearly as impressive.
 
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This is your personal scouting report.

At the draft, the one and only knock on him was that his shot wasn't much to write home about.

I think they gave him 3/5 on the shot, and 5/5 in every other department, including skating.
 
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LeafOfFaith said:
This is your personal scouting report.

At the draft, the one and only knock on him was that his shot wasn't much to write home about.

I think they gave him 3/5 on the shot, and 5/5 in every other department, including skating.
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Oh, I agree. He's a fantastic skater.
 
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LeafOfFaith said:
He's a fantastic skater, but just really slow is what you're claiming?
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Yes. Really slow. That's exactly what I said. Stupidest person I have ever had the displeasure of communicating with and that includes Pronger and some beast kid with down syndrome at my old high school.
 
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Artnes said:
https://youtu.be/7LMJGylhgjo

About a minute in you see that straight ahead speed you mention he doesn't have

Kid got wheels
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Yeah and at around 1:35 as well.

He's no Pavel Bure but he's got well above average speed and so i'm not worried about that at all. I think it's his high hockey iq that impresses the most. Some of the plays he makes in tight spots is really impressive.
 
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Preston_Mizzi said:
Yes. Really slow. That's exactly what I said. Stupidest person I have ever had the displeasure of communicating with and that includes Pronger and some beast kid with down syndrome at my old high school.
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Uh yeah, when one post up you said that he'd lose in a straight line race with against ANY Leaf, you are claiming he's slow, because generally the slowest skater on a team is, like you, slow.

It's one thing to not be able to comprehend other people's posts, but to not even be able to understand your own posts is pretty...special.
 
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It seems like Preston is always the one talking up our big oaf unskilled prospects and questioning the more skilled guys so I'm not that surprised.
 
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I think Nylander is a damn near lock to be a quality #1 center.

I think Marner is likely to be an impact player in the NHL. He's quick, shifty, hard nosed, and remarkably skilled. He's not going to win many footraces though. I also don't think he's a center.

I think Freddy the Goat has been gorgeous so far this year and possibly re-igniting the 3rd line center potential if he can play at a 35-40ish point pace in his rookie year.

Nylander-Kadri-Goat is not a bad top three.
 
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LeafGm said:
On an extremely superficial level, Gagner's a great name to throw into the discussion if you want to say "hey look, here's another player who scored at a similar level as Marner in his draft year and he never lived up to his draft ranking!"

But the comparison falls apart when you scratch a little below the surface. Gagner put up his points playing on a line with two players that were significantly better offensively than he was, while on the flip-side, Marner put up his points as the best offensive player on his line by a wide margin. You're also the first person I've ever heard describe Marner's skating as anything other than a big strength in his game.
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I'm not sure that a 17 year old Marner was the best offensive player on his line by a wide margin.

For the first half of the season... yes.

The second half of the season the Knights often rolled out Domi - Dvorak - Marner.

The best offensive player on the line by a wide margin? To me 19 year old Domi is a better player than 17 year old Marner... that said Marner is likely the better prospect long term, just that age difference matters though. Thats why Domi was on line 1 of Team Canada at the World Juniors last year, and is currently 2nd in NHL rookie scoring. That kid can play.
 
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BKerr said:
I'm not sure that a 17 year old Marner was the best offensive player on his line by a wide margin.

For the first half of the season... yes.

The second half of the season the Knights often rolled out Domi - Dvorak - Marner.

The best offensive player on the line by a wide margin? To me 19 year old Domi is a better player than 17 year old Marner... that said Marner is likely the better prospect long term, just that age difference matters though. Thats why Domi was on line 1 of Team Canada at the World Juniors last year, and is currently 2nd in NHL rookie scoring. That kid can play.
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Well, I'm glad I decided not to take your word for it and looked this up...

2nd half of regular season:

Mitch Marner: GP 32, G 19, A 47, Pts 66
Max Domi: GP: 30, G 15, A 30, Pts 45

Playoffs:

Mitch Marner: GP 7, G 9, A 7, Pts 16
Max Domi: GP 9, G 5, A 4, Pts 9
 
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ya marner got off to a real slow start. 8 points in his first 12 games.

118 points over the final 51 games.

that's a 190 point pace over 82 games.

marner got better as the year went on. he didn't take a back seat to domi in the least.

if anything i'd say that they helped each other.

but marner's skill is legit. and he's a better prospect than domi for sure.
 
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LeafGm said:
Well, I'm glad I decided not to take your word for it and looked this up...

2nd half of regular season:

Mitch Marner: GP 32, G 19, A 47, Pts 66
Max Domi: GP: 30, G 15, A 30, Pts 45

Playoffs:

Mitch Marner: GP 7, G 9, A 7, Pts 16
Max Domi: GP 9, G 5, A 4, Pts 9
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Timashov 2g
Dzierkals 2a
Bracco 2a
Marner 1g
Nielsen 1a

Hunter knows what he's doing.
 
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LeafGm said:
Well, I'm glad I decided not to take your word for it and looked this up...

2nd half of regular season:

Mitch Marner: GP 32, G 19, A 47, Pts 66
Max Domi: GP: 30, G 15, A 30, Pts 45

Playoffs:

Mitch Marner: GP 7, G 9, A 7, Pts 16
Max Domi: GP 9, G 5, A 4, Pts 9
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Looks like a wide margin to me.
 
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