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OT: The News Thread

leaffan2005 said:
Crazy people do crazy things. To say there is one clear group/religion behind most of it is disingenuous, and the numbers support that. Maybe the CNN Breaking News ticker doesn't, but the numbers don't lie.

The numbers also don't lie about the root cause and overall importance we should be placing on these events. Each incident is terrible in its own way, but the death toll we are talking about is in the low 100's over how many years? Many other things in this world kill many more things that should be addressed yet we are focusing all of our energy on terrorism.
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We really should be focusing more on killer bees.
 
I just can't get over how dishonest this argument is.

Just because some white supremacist shit head kills someone doesn't mean that was an ideologically driven event? Anti-government freemen aren't the same as white supremacists. Why lump them together?

We might as well add in a 3rd tier - african-american gang related violence - and stack all the numbers up against one another.

But even if you want to use the numbers that zeke posted you have to admit that a demographic that represents 1% of the American public is guilty of committing more ideological murders than anyone else.
 
Altair said:
We really should be focusing more on killer bees.
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How about things like accidental gun shots, which you are -6x more likely to die from than acts of terrorism? But America doesn't want to have the gun talk. Drug abuse is now the leading cause of death for adults under 50 in the USA. Let's ignore that. Let's spend all our time talking about 60 some odd incidents of crazy nutjobs and on top of that use those incidents to paint a picture of a religion's true intentions.
 
leaffan2005 said:
How about things like accidental gun shots, which you are -6x more likely to die from than acts of terrorism? But America doesn't want to have the gun talk. Drug abuse is now the leading cause of death for adults under 50 in the USA. Let's ignore that. Let's spend all our time talking about 60 some odd incidents of crazy nutjobs and on top of that use those incidents to paint a picture of a religion's true intentions.
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That is the religion's true intent.
 
According to the New America Foundation, jihadists killed 94 people inside the United States between 2005 and 2015. During that same time period, 301,797 people in the US were shot dead, Politifact reports.

But Trump is right about at least one thing: Americans are more afraid of terrorism than they are of guns, despite the fact that guns are 3,210 times more likely to kill them.

In 2016, Americans’ number-one fear was “corruption of government officials”—the same top fear as in 2015. Terrorist attacks came second. In fact, of the top five fears, two are terror-related. And number five is not fear of guns but fear of government restrictions on guns.

https://qz.com/898207/the-psychology-of-why-americans-are-more-scared-of-terrorism-than-guns-though-guns-are-3210-times-likelier-to-kill-them/
 
leaffan2005 said:
How about things like accidental gun shots, which you are -6x more likely to die from than acts of terrorism? But America doesn't want to have the gun talk. Drug abuse is now the leading cause of death for adults under 50 in the USA. Let's ignore that. Let's spend all our time talking about 60 some odd incidents of crazy nutjobs and on top of that use those incidents to paint a picture of a religion's true intentions.
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Let's start with not erroneously stating that you are more likely to be killed by white supremacists when that isn't the case?
 
CH1 said:
According to the New America Foundation, jihadists killed 94 people inside the United States between 2005 and 2015. During that same time period, 301,797 people in the US were shot dead, Politifact reports.

But Trump is right about at least one thing: Americans are more afraid of terrorism than they are of guns, despite the fact that guns are 3,210 times more likely to kill them.

In 2016, Americans’ number-one fear was “corruption of government officials”—the same top fear as in 2015. Terrorist attacks came second. In fact, of the top five fears, two are terror-related. And number five is not fear of guns but fear of government restrictions on guns.

https://qz.com/898207/the-psychology-of-why-americans-are-more-scared-of-terrorism-than-guns-though-guns-are-3210-times-likelier-to-kill-them/
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Interesting article. But also not relevant.
 
corksens said:
Let's start with not erroneously stating that you are more likely to be killed by white supremacists when that isn't the case?
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I never stated this, so not sure what you are on about. And going back it is you that made this claim that Islamist extremists have an overwhelming lead in a direct comparison to white supremacists. Even if we take away the hand full of erroneous deaths that you believe should not be lumped into that category, the numbers are close and in no way "overwhelming" for either side. What is overwhelming is the one-sided nature of these attacks when a Muslim person is involved, and the mis-representation of the events (i.e. calling it a hate crime, citing mental health issues of the perpetrator, etc.) when a non-Muslim person is involved.

I have stated that this entire fascination with terrorism is a nice smokescreen for the people in power not having to talk about the real issues that truly impact the population they represent. I have never condoned acts of terror on any group of people, but in the grand scheme of things it does not in any way justify this kind of fear and media coverage.
 
corksens said:
Let's start with not erroneously stating that you are more likely to be killed by white supremacists when that isn't the case?
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You're right. You're about equally likely to be killed by white supremacists as you are to be killed by muslim terrorists. Both have exceedingly small odds of happening, though.
 
leaffan2005 said:
How about things like accidental gun shots, which you are -6x more likely to die from than acts of terrorism? But America doesn't want to have the gun talk. Drug abuse is now the leading cause of death for adults under 50 in the USA. Let's ignore that. Let's spend all our time talking about 60 some odd incidents of crazy nutjobs and on top of that use those incidents to paint a picture of a religion's true intentions.
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There is a amendment in place protecting the right do die to accidental gun shots, and the average American is under the impression that if you avoid drugs you wont die from drug abuse, so not very scary.

Killer bees though? There is a argument to be made there that those are as scary as terrorists.
 
UWHabs said:
You're right. You're about equally likely to be killed by white supremacists as you are to be killed by muslim terrorists. Both have exceedingly small odds of happening, though.
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If you exclude the largest terror attack a day earlier, and include jailhouse killings, you are right.
 
Altair said:
There is a amendment in place protecting the right do die to accidental gun shots, and the average American is under the impression that if you avoid drugs you wont die from drug abuse, so not very scary.

Killer bees though? There is a argument to be made there that those are as scary as terrorists.
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Nice rebuttal. An amendment protecting the right to die. That's where you are willing to go to avoid talking about guns being a hell of a lot more scary than the big bad Muslim guy living down the street. And drug abuse has been on the rise (as has access to new and more potent drugs like fentanyl) so the average American may not be as informed as you may believe on its fatality risk. We should just forget about these things though and spend all our time on Islamic terrorism.
 
UWHabs said:
You're right. You're about equally likely to be killed by white supremacists as you are to be killed by muslim terrorists. Both have exceedingly small odds of happening, though.
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And just slipping under the wire and slightly less likely is having your genitals mutilated by a muslim doctor.
 
corksens said:
If you exclude the largest terror attack a day earlier, and include jailhouse killings, you are right.
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Okay, take the numbers posted earlier over the last 10 years. I don't understand your issue with the timeline. Lets go back 30-40 years and see how the numbers stack up why don't we? 9/11 was 16 years ago and the world has changed tremendously since that time, including increased anti-terror efforts from government organizations, increased security, etc. Using that one incident to spread fear and ignoring the exceedingly rare incidents that followed (largely due to its influence) is dumb. As is you ignoring Muslim deaths abroad at the hands of white supremacists and focusing only on the United States. Why don't we ignore all the Europe events now as well? They aren't happening in the USA so they must not involve real people or ideological principles either.
 
leaffan2005 said:
Okay, take the numbers posted earlier over the last 10 years. I don't understand your issue with the timeline. Lets go back 30-40 years and see how the numbers stack up why don't we? 9/11 was 16 years ago and the world has changed tremendously since that time, including increased anti-terror efforts from government organizations, increased security, etc. Using that one incident to spread fear and ignoring the exceedingly rare incidents that followed (largely due to its influence) is dumb. As is you ignoring Muslim deaths abroad at the hands of white supremacists and focusing only on the United States. Why don't we ignore all the Europe events now as well? They aren't happening in the USA so they must not involve real people or ideological principles either.
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Sure. Go back 10 years more.

But don't start on September 12th to make a point. It's dishonest.
 
zeke said:
depends on whether you are choosing to ignore millions of dead in arab countries, i guess.
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When talking about deaths in the USA, I think we will 'ignore' deaths in the middle east.

But thanks for proving yourself wrong by saying that right-wing/white-nationalists have a clear lead over radical islamic terrorists.

Appreciate your hard work.
 
corksens said:
When talking about deaths in the USA, I think we will 'ignore' deaths in the middle east.

But thanks for proving yourself wrong by saying that right-wing/white-nationalists have a clear lead over radical islamic terrorists.

Appreciate your hard work.
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Yes, you are talking about deaths in the usa to prove muslims are evil, while ignoring millions of dead muslims in your analysis of christians.

I'm glad you appreciate the correction.
 
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