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When a Cat 797 haul truck catches on fire (doesn't happen often, but has happened), the fire departments doesn't do anything other than set a safe perimeter and let it burn. The tires on those things loaded with such an insane amount of air pressure that when they let go, being within a km of the pressure wave (which lets out from the sidewall) causes your lungs to basically explode inside your chest.

So if that's how deadly a tire's pressure wave is (huge tire, but still only a tire), I don't even want to know how deadly the pressure wave from an explosion like that would be.
There's actually video of it, unfortunately. Some poor bastard on the ground near the explosion stopped to live-stream it.

It's right at the beginning of this series of videos:

[video=youtube;nQwRMGa4jsU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQwRMGa4jsU&bpctr=1439559985[/video]
 
Tian Jin is one of those cities that was built that nobody lives in. Almost all the buildings are empty. If people actually lived there, the death toll would be in the 1000's undoubtedly.
 
this has been a pretty tough few weeks for china.

if china starts coming apart at the seams a billion strong country that has been spending militarily the way china has been over the past decade could start getting real aggressive.

and people wonder why japan has been trying to puff its chest out a bit recently?
I'd be much more worried about the global economy than the possibility of war.
 
i think the two are linked.

with that said, i'm not sure how large of an impact china has on the global economy. it doesn't prop anybody up. it provides cheap labour (increasingly less so). so, we could see consumer prices increase. we could also see some lower skilled jobs return to the west. or, jobs could simply transition to other developing economies (more higher skill jobs to india; i know that there was some excitement around investors re: myanmar, where citizens are believed to have a similar ethic to those in china).

there would be costs with moving services, but not deep structural costs.

keep in mind that as much as china has integrated itself, it has never assumed much of a role outside of its own borders (Beyond trying to expand them in the east and south asian seas).

and keep in mind that a lot of chinese growth has come at the expense of its neighbours and even developed countries - particularly in the past few years where it has refused to match its currency with its economic growth.

if growth slows and if china becomes isolated, you will see continued armament outflows to ME countries (Think jets to iran), and it is going to try and assert its authority in the pacific rim. taiwan or vietnam...
 
You're not sure how large an impact China had on the global economy?

the economy is demand driven, which is why china has grown exponentially.

this won't have the same impact on demand as, say, the US recession, or the issues in europe.

meanwhile, china does not provide any stabilizers like the US does, short of holding US debt.

as for what would happen if china calls on the debt... china holds approx. 10%, and calling on it would devalue the US d and increase the value of the remnibi. it would be suicide to them.
 
if they ever try to call it in, the US will just make up an excuse to go to war with them to not pay it back. I mean who pays back a loan to a country you are in a war with and what country fights wars over money?
 
Their economy is bigger than the entire European Union. They wield unparalleled influence in Asia and run much of Africa. The US is deeply invested in China. Regardless of their consumption (which is significant) - if they were to experience any form of major correction or devaluation, we would most definitely feel it.
 
if they ever try to call it in, the US will just make up an excuse to go to war with them to not pay it back. I mean who pays back a loan to a country you are in a war with and what country fights wars over money?

There are methods of economic "warfare" that would be utilized before naked force was even considered.


Also keep in mind that a large reason for the debt and trade deficit with China is the Chinese manipulating their currency to keep it artificially lower than the market would value it at.
 
Their economy is bigger than the entire European Union. They wield unparalleled influence in Asia and run much of Africa. The US is deeply invested in China. Regardless of their consumption (which is significant) - if they were to experience any form of major correction or devaluation, we would most definitely feel it.

i'm not saying we wouldn't feel it. i don't think it would have nearly the effect as the us, japan or EU.

the economy is bigger than the EU but there are also a billion more inhabitants. the EU, comparatively, is hardly larger than the US and includes a handful of basically developing countries. the economy is bigger bceause there are more people working. if they lose jobs it would be felt inside of china severely; outside, we might see some price fluctuations and there is a chance they would be short-term. the broader impact would probably be staunched by jobs onshoring, or moving to other developing countries in the region. we aren't talking about a bastion for sales by apple, google, and facebook. we're talking about cutting the supply side for those companies, but the truth is that they've been moving out of china, anyways.

as for influence in africa... even if their influence is unparalleled we're talking about the least productive continent in the world. it barely registers. the bigger concern is how china has moved to wield influence over SA. but, given the slowdown that could wane (for instance, will the money be there for nicaragua?)

your claim about influence in asia is simply false. the appendage of china which wields the most influence is hong kong, and it isn't even clear to what extent china wields influence over HK. the rest of asia has a mostly antagonistic relationship with china (See: territorial claims against Malaysia, Vietnam, Japan and Taiwan). China is even alienating communist countries (See: Vietnam). meanwhile, the US wields great influence over japan (second largest economy in asia). and Indian-Chinese relations are lukewarm at best (and that's generous). korea is also oriented westward. the country china has the most influence over is north korea. good luck with that.

china's economy has grown at an astonishing rate over the past two decades. but its institutions haven't caught up to the rest of the world, there is still an enormous impoverished underclass, the people, even well off, remain fairly oppressed and it simply doesn't wield the influence outside of its borders that the size of its economy suggests. it has tried to exercise that muscle, but has only started doing so in earnest while the wheels, internally, appear to be coming off.
 
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If the US goes batshit crazy and elects trump as the Rep nominee, he'd get in by saying he'd declare war on the Chinese
 
"unknown chemicals", eh? that was a hell of an explosion.

Yeah, dangerous and chemical goods. The Link to CNN

The state-run news agency Xinhua reported that an explosion tore through a warehouse storing "dangerous and chemical goods" in Binhai, an area of the city by the water.

As smoke continued to billow into the sky from the site Thursday, local authorities suspended firefighting efforts at the scene because of a lack of information on the "dangerous goods" that were stored at the warehouse, Xinhua reported.
 
If the US goes batshit crazy and elects trump as the Rep nominee, he'd get in by saying he'd declare war on the Chinese


Trump can pay off the debt with the loose change in his sofa. You know...cause he's really rich. :rolleyes4:
 
If the US goes batshit crazy and elects trump as the Rep nominee, he'd get in by saying he'd declare war on the Chinese

He does have a point. China took everything, and somehow the US owes them money on top of that? How does that work?

I think Trump is the odds on favourite. Not only for the Republican nomination, but to win the Presidency.

He can afford to tell the truth, and every other candidate has to pander to their contributors. When he pointed out that Jeb couldn't answer the Iraq war question for 5 days until his advisers told him what to say was spot on.

Trump may be a lot of things, but he's saying what people want to hear, and when it all boils down to it, that's what gets people elected.

Obama won on selling change without ever specifying what that change would be, and while he did some good things IMO, he didn't really change a whole lot.

Both parties are the same. All career politicians that ride in the middle lane as much as they possibly can.

America went batshit crazy already when they started electing actors and pro wrestlers to office. Trump couldn't possibly be worse than any of them, and he could possibly be better than them all.
 
He does have a point. China took everything, and somehow the US owes them money on top of that? How does that work?

I think Trump is the odds on favourite. Not only for the Republican nomination, but to win the Presidency.

He can afford to tell the truth, and every other candidate has to pander to their contributors. When he pointed out that Jeb couldn't answer the Iraq war question for 5 days until his advisers told him what to say was spot on.

Trump may be a lot of things, but he's saying what people want to hear, and when it all boils down to it, that's what gets people elected.

Obama won on selling change without ever specifying what that change would be, and while he did some good things IMO, he didn't really change a whole lot.

Both parties are the same. All career politicians that ride in the middle lane as much as they possibly can.

America went batshit crazy already when they started electing actors and pro wrestlers to office. Trump couldn't possibly be worse than any of them, and he could possibly be better than them all.

There is a reason Obama couldn't change anything. There's a reason all presidents straddle the middle. There is a reason trump would be the most ineffective president in history. What senate or congress would work with the guy? His own party hates him. He could win on pure populism, but couldn't rule.
 
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