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OT: American Politics

worm said:
i think somebody said it on here a while ago

obama will be the most overrated president ever because he is flanked by bush and trump
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Obama was an utterly crap President. Much like Carter.


*Lights fuse then walks away*
 
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worm said:
i think somebody said it on here a while ago

obama will be the most overrated president ever because he is flanked by bush and trump
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I think trump will do a great deal to rehabilitate Bush's legacy.

How many left leaning people would gladly trade Donald J for George W right now?
 
Leader McConnell @SenateMajLdr
I find it difficult to believe that #Senate Democrats would want to shut down the government for American citizens and vote down a 6 year reauthorization of health insurance for American children, all over illegal immigration. #CHIP


Mitch literally has fewer votes for this bill he's pushing that doesn't cover Dreamers than he has for a bill that does.

It's insanity.
 
http://amp.mcclatchydc.com/news/nat...ticle195231139.html?__twitter_impression=true


WASHINGTON

The FBI is investigating whether a top Russian banker with ties to the Kremlin illegally funneled money to the National Rifle Association to help Donald Trump win the presidency, two sources familiar with the matter have told McClatchy.

FBI counterintelligence investigators have focused on the activities of Alexander Torshin, the deputy governor of Russia’s central bank who is known for his close relationships with both Russian President Vladimir Putin and the NRA, the sources said.
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https://lawandcrime.com/high-profil...s-reports-not-actual-facts-of-whats-going-on/

The U.S. Department of Justice just argued for the second time this month that when the President of the United States tweets something, he isn’t necessarily speaking for them or basing his statements on actual knowledge of government activity. In fact, the DOJ said he might just be tweeting stuff he sees in news reports.

The latest case, brought by the James Madison Project (JMP) and USA Today’s Brad Heath against the DOJ, is in regards to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request they made for records related to FISA warrants for the surveillance of President Donald Trump, his campaign, and his transition team. The DOJ refused to confirm or deny the existence of such records, but the plaintiffs say that President Trump’s own tweets have already confirmed them. The DOJ said that’s just not true.

If this sounds awfully familiar, it should. Earlier this month, in a separate FOIA lawsuit that JMP filed against the DOJ, the DOJ claimed that President Trump’s tweet saying that the FBI couldn’t verify the infamous Russia dossier was not a confirmation that the FBI had reached a final determination about the dossier one way or another. When JMP filed their FOIA request, the DOJ used what’s known as a Glomar response, which is basically an official “no comment,” meant for when acknowledging whether certain records do or don’t exist would itself be a disclosure of sensitive information. JMP argued that when Trump’s tweet prevented the DOJ from using that response.

The court agreed with the DOJ in that case, granting their motion for summary judgment. The court said, “the President’s statements may very well be based on media reports or his own personal knowledge, or could simply be viewed as political statements intended to counter media accounts about the Russia investigation, rather than assertions of pure fact.”

Now the DOJ is arguing that the same logic should apply to the current case.

The plaintiffs claims that Trump’s tweets, made after he took office, about wire tapping and FISA warrants against him and his team, reveal knowledge of DOJ actions, but once again, the DOJ says that’s not true.

Basically, they’re saying just because Trump acts like he has knowledge of something, that doesn’t mean he actually has that knowledge, or that his statements are based on such knowledge. He could be basing his tweets solely on Fox News reports, and not any official government information........
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lol
 
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01...lling-candidate-trump-uninformed-immigration/


....various papers reported yesterday that Kelly had told the Congressional Hispanic Caucus that Trump hadn’t been “fully informed” about immigration policy when he was making promises about the wall as a candidate and that he’d “evolved” on the issues to some extent. That’s what inspired Trump’s grumbly tweets this morning. But if you believe the Times, Kelly went further than that with the CHC. He took credit for pushing Trump towards the middle. Lesson one of working for POTUS, as Steve Bannon would tell you: Do not take credit for anything. The credit is Trump’s alone.

But in telling lawmakers that Mr. Trump had essentially erred from the start in promoting a wall and by claiming credit for dissuading him, Mr. Kelly appeared to be voicing a sentiment some in the West Wing have heard him express privately — that it is his job to tutor a sometimes ill-informed president who has never served in public office before…

Mr. Kelly told lawmakers that “he was the one who tempered” Mr. Trump “on the issue of the wall, on the issue of DACA,” said Representative Raúl Grijalva, Democrat of Arizona, who attended the session…

Mr. Gutiérrez told reporters that at the meeting, Mr. Kelly said that during the presidential campaign, “there were statements made about the wall that were not informed statements.”
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Kelly had an easy out available to him: FAKE NEWS! I never said any of that, he could have told Trump. The Democrats are just making things up to embarrass the White House because they’re annoyed that the DACA negotiations have dried up.

But no. He went on Trump’s favorite TV network last night and essentially affirmed everything he was accused of saying. The president wasn’t necessarily fully informed on immigration during the campaign and he’s since “evolved” somewhat on the wall and DACA. (All candidates are somewhat uninformed before taking office, he noted, to lessen the personal affront to Trump.)

Is he … trying to get fired? A source told Axios before Trump started tweeting defensively this morning that he would end up hitting the roof over Kelly’s remarks:

Late last night, a few hours after Fox News aired Bret Baier’s interview with John Kelly, a source close to the president told me Trump would explode when he saw what his chief of staff said. The source — who has spent a lot of time with Trump — predicted the president would hate the interview because Kelly came off as the mature professional who patiently educated an uninformed Trump, and helped him see the light and evolve on “The Wall.”…

“Kelly has finally ventured into Steve Bannon territory when it comes to trying to create the perception that he’s the ‘great manipulator,’ saving the country from Trump’s ignorance. The difference is, Steve tried to develop that reputation in off-the-record conversations with reporters. Kelly did it openly on the country’s most-watched cable network. It’s the subtle difference between hubris and arrogance.”
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And sure enough:

Jake Tapper
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@jaketapper
.@kaitlancollins reports: President Trump was fuming after chief of staff John Kelly said in an interview on Fox News that the president’s views on the wall and immigration had “evolved” since he took office. Trump “hated” Kelly’s comments, a source tells her.
9:01 AM - Jan 18, 2018
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Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
The Wall is the Wall, it has never changed or evolved from the first day I conceived of it. Parts will be, of necessity, see through and it was never intended to be built in areas where there is natural protection such as mountains, wastelands or tough rivers or water.....
6:15 AM - Jan 18, 2018

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
....The Wall will be paid for, directly or indirectly, or through longer term reimbursement, by Mexico, which has a ridiculous $71 billion dollar trade surplus with the U.S. The $20 billion dollar Wall is “peanuts” compared to what Mexico makes from the U.S. NAFTA is a bad joke!
6:25 AM - Jan 18, 2018

Donald J. Trump
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@realDonaldTrump
We need the Wall for the safety and security of our country. We need the Wall to help stop the massive inflow of drugs from Mexico, now rated the number one most dangerous country in the world. If there is no Wall, there is no Deal!
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