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    Quote Originally Posted by MindzEye View Post
    The Trump base right now:

    The fact that there are many Christians on the Palestinian site and barely any on the Israel side, and this is even a hard decision for them clearly shows that it's based on the color of skin. Not religion or culture.

    The base obviously doesn't like Muslims, but in general they'd prefer all brown people to be gone.

    I thought Trump was bringing Christmas back? This isn't a good start to that promise.

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    http://nationalpost.com/opinion/john...t-doesnt-exist

    Before Donald Trump even recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, The New York Times characteristically shrieked at 4 a.m. “Igniting fears of violence in the region, President Trump’s decision could derail any peace initiative, Arab and European leaders warn.” In response to which I would ask how you derail something already in the ditch, if the more pertinent question were not how you derail something that does not exist.

    Trump continues to confound as the first post-modern president, entirely unbound by logic or convention. About a quarter of his major public acts fall below the minimum standard of decency for his office, and about one in 10 rises dramatically above what other presidents ever dared.

    I put this decision in the latter category on moral and historical grounds. But as this point has been ably argued by various Post colleagues, let us narrow our focus to the question of the negotiations for peace that, politicians and pundits rushing in where angels fear to tread assure us, are going on in the region and might be threatened by this move. On what ground, exactly, would doing something that pleases our democratic Israeli ally and offends its bloodthirsty enemies be counterproductive?

    Rational negotiation, here as anywhere, involves rewarding behaviour we wish to encourage and punishing the opposite. So what, over the past century, have Arab leaders done that we wish to encourage? Since the 1920s, before the re-establishment of Israel in 1948, they have instantly and indignantly rejected every compromise solution put forward, even though at least through 1949 those offers, if accepted, would have rendered Israel unviable. Moreover, the plain fact that each offer was less attractive to them than its predecessor never gave them any sense that their position was not unassailably mighty.

    To a peculiar extent Arab leaders have succeeded in moving the terms of the debate by this delusional inflexibility. If some perfectly reasonable action will cause them to stomp out hurling vainglorious threats, it cannot be taken because the “process” is sacred.

    So where, I ask you, is evidence that this approach has worked or is working? Israel has repeatedly ceded occupied territory and sought mutual recognition. And virtually all its neighbours have responded with frontal attacks when they dared and subversion and terror otherwise, coupled with genocidal hate propaganda.

    If that’s a peace process, I’m an olive tree. But since noticing the obvious would mean giving up on a negotiated solution pending a change of heart, regime or both in nearly all Israel’s neighbours, it’s regarded as sophisticated to pretend it’s not happening. Thus, paradoxically, the Middle East peace process has been all process and no peace because of a persistent effort to satisfy the insatiable demands of Israel’s enemies, rewarding and thus encouraging precisely the conduct that makes peace impossible.

    Israel, of course, has not rewarded this conduct. It has increasingly acted unilaterally to protect its own interests, sometimes establishing settlements in land from which Jews were ethnically cleansed long ago or recently, other times withdrawing as from Gaza, and ignoring screeching abuse about specific actions from people who openly want them dead no matter what they do. And it laid such a beating on Egypt in 1973 as to force Sadat to make peace, for which he was assassinated. But Western “statesmen” almost always urge restraint on Israel while ignoring even the most blatant provocations from its sworn enemies.

    Remember Kissinger’s dictum that negotiations can only succeed if the minimum terms of the parties can be made to coincide. As long as Israel’s neighbours’ minimum condition is a “Palestine” Judenrein from the river to the sea, there’s nothing to negotiate, and no sane reason to reward a blood-curdling stance whose tiresome familiarity should not numb us to its atrocity.

    It’s not obvious that any conduct on our or Israel’s part can bring most Arab leaders to see reason. A 2001 Mackenzie Institute newsletter memorably noted Arafat’s “impulsive urge for trying to take the pot with a pair of fours,” and the widespread tendency of Israel’s enemies to irrational belligerence makes devising a rational structure of sticks and carrots difficult. But if we really think there’s anything to negotiate, we have to try, right?

    Over a decade ago, a pundit lectured us that, “Up to a point, you can fight the terrorist side while encouraging the political side. In fact, the name of the game is precisely to shift their calculus of self-interest toward peaceful politics, by increasing both the costs of violence and the benefits of participation.”

    Let’s increase the costs of violence by doing things they don’t want until they start negotiating sincerely. Like recognizing the obvious fact that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. And that people ranting about death to Jews are not part of any hypothetical “peace process.”
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    As usual, the Democrats fall on their own sword while the Republicans circle the wagons and tell the world to suck their swords.

    Franken resigns for something on the weak end of the spectrum while Moore who is on the strong end of the spectrum is about to be elected with RNC support.

    Democrats lose a good option to run for President in 2020.
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    As it should be. They need to hold themselves up to the standards Americans demand, not drown to the lowest common denominator.

    This is the government after all. They can' all be soulless, corporate shills that **** up everything they touch. The country has to not implode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCountofMonteCristo View Post
    As usual, the Democrats fall on their own sword while the Republicans circle the wagons and tell the world to suck their swords.

    Franken resigns for something on the weak end of the spectrum while Moore who is on the strong end of the spectrum is about to be elected with RNC support.

    Democrats lose a good option to run for President in 2020.
    It's a political move and a smart one. Sacrifice old school thinking Democrats then rebrand yourself.

    There's a purge going on, I think it's good marketing.
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    A Moore win might be a big problem for the GOP... it heightens the difference.

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    SOP for these closeted hypocrites...throws votes behind homophobic legislation during the day, cupping nutsacks during the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCountofMonteCristo View Post
    As usual, the Democrats fall on their own sword while the Republicans circle the wagons and tell the world to suck their swords.

    Franken resigns for something on the weak end of the spectrum while Moore who is on the strong end of the spectrum is about to be elected with RNC support.

    Democrats lose a good option to run for President in 2020.
    There is no "spectrum" here. Assault needs to stop regardless.

    They all should resign and be under police investigation.
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    There is no "spectrum" here. That's a highly offensive comment.

    They all should resign and be under police investigation.
    There is definitely a spectrum. Me going up to a woman and saying "Nice Tits" is a very different offense from actually grabbing them.

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    Yeah there is definitely a spectrum. Some of these guys should end up in jail, some need to be on a watch list and can't live near schools, others just can't be elected representatives of women given their treatment of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UWHabs View Post
    There is definitely a spectrum. Me going up to a woman and saying "Nice Tits" is a very different offense from actually grabbing them.
    I understand that some men would argue that, but simply just don't assault women.

    Saying that a women that was assaulted means less than another situation is offensive to that person and every other woman that has been assaulted in that fashion.

    The simple response is that men need to stop assaulting women. Period. Every single one that has should pay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainBolduke View Post
    There is no "spectrum" here. Assault needs to stop regardless.

    They all should resign and be under police investigation.
    If you feigning grabbing a boob is the same as what Weinstein did, then you are nuts.
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    Ya. I understand that neither is good. But if you give a woman a choice between someone saying "nice cans" and being raped you can bet she will have an easy choice.
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    I mean the #bothsides crowd might agree with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCountofMonteCristo View Post
    If you feigning grabbing a boob is the same as what Weinstein did, then you are nuts.
    +1
    The amount of energy necessary to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than is required to produce it.

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    even convicts know there's a spectrum.
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