Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
Who wouldn't? Barkov is a better player, and actually plays center.
Who wouldn't? Barkov is a better player, and actually plays center.
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
Legoalie is saying "told you"
GrandWazoo
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BKerr
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
No, I think Larking got overrated as a rookie. He's a decent player but he's not the answer as a number 1 centre.
He came back down to earth last year. 32 points.
I'd rather keep the guy who has scored 30 goals and not take Larkin plus junk.
No, I think Larking got overrated as a rookie. He's a decent player but he's not the answer as a number 1 centre.
He came back down to earth last year. 32 points.
I'd rather keep the guy who has scored 30 goals and not take Larkin plus junk.
Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
Yeah I like Larkin as a 2nd liner but no way would I give up Galchenyuk or Drouin for him.
Yeah I like Larkin as a 2nd liner but no way would I give up Galchenyuk or Drouin for him.
Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
I don't see any point in trading AG as he pretty much is our only hope at having a #1 center.
If Julien can dedicate training camp to moulding him into the type of center he wants he can still be that #1 center we need
I don't see any point in trading AG as he pretty much is our only hope at having a #1 center.
If Julien can dedicate training camp to moulding him into the type of center he wants he can still be that #1 center we need
BKerr
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
I don't agree with that at all. Playing proper defence as a center is not just an effort thing. Yes effort is needed. But so is the ability to read plays, taking proper angles, technique, and hockey IQ. There is a lot more to it than just effort. Good coaching can go a long way in helping him in terms of his technique and hockey IQ.
I don't agree with that at all. Playing proper defence as a center is not just an effort thing. Yes effort is needed. But so is the ability to read plays, taking proper angles, technique, and hockey IQ. There is a lot more to it than just effort. Good coaching can go a long way in helping him in terms of his technique and hockey IQ.
Isaac25
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
Guys don't get to the NHL without being at least good at reading plays and proper angling. Guys like 27 or even Drouin switch to wing in the NHL because they tend to cheat in the defensive zone. Their brains are wired for offense much like Yzerman was before he fully committed.
Guys don't get to the NHL without being at least good at reading plays and proper angling. Guys like 27 or even Drouin switch to wing in the NHL because they tend to cheat in the defensive zone. Their brains are wired for offense much like Yzerman was before he fully committed.
BKerr
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
Why do we assume that its all effort?
On top of that a guy like drouin or galchenyuk was dominant offensively in juniors. You dont have to learn to play in your own zone when your team controls the puck 70% of the time you are on the ice. You dont have to sweat the technique when your pure skill just dominates the other kids your age.
Guys get to the nhl all the time who are good at scoring at lower levels, against weaker competition, but then struggle in the nhl. Why is defensive game different and its all effort and no skill or technique needed.
Why do we assume that its all effort?
On top of that a guy like drouin or galchenyuk was dominant offensively in juniors. You dont have to learn to play in your own zone when your team controls the puck 70% of the time you are on the ice. You dont have to sweat the technique when your pure skill just dominates the other kids your age.
GGpX
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
The notion that playing center isn't all that hard is like saying you don't really need a brain to be a good quarterback. I mean...
If playing center wasn't difficult, why don't wingers play there more often?
The simple fact is, it's common for players who excelled at center in Junior and/or minor leagues to convert to wing, but it's virtually unheard of to hear about a winger at those levels becoming a center in the NHL.
The notion that playing center isn't all that hard is like saying you don't really need a brain to be a good quarterback. I mean...
If playing center wasn't difficult, why don't wingers play there more often?
The simple fact is, it's common for players who excelled at center in Junior and/or minor leagues to convert to wing, but it's virtually unheard of to hear about a winger at those levels becoming a center in the NHL.
BKerr
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
Exactly.
The biggest cop out for people who don't truly understand the game is to assume every mistake can be fixed if the player just tried harder, or wasn't lazy, or whatever.
There is far more that goes into poor defensive play than just effort. In fact the number of bad plays that are poor effort is very, very small. Bad technique, inability to read the play and anticipate what is going to happen, getting out of position or getting caught flat footed, just flat out getting beat cause your opponent has more talent. All of these things are more often the issue than effort.
Exactly.
The biggest cop out for people who don't truly understand the game is to assume every mistake can be fixed if the player just tried harder, or wasn't lazy, or whatever.
There is far more that goes into poor defensive play than just effort. In fact the number of bad plays that are poor effort is very, very small. Bad technique, inability to read the play and anticipate what is going to happen, getting out of position or getting caught flat footed, just flat out getting beat cause your opponent has more talent. All of these things are more often the issue than effort.
BKerr
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Re: Rumours, Innuendos and Flat out B.S.: 2016-17 Edition
"Playing centre is not really that difficult. It's more a case of having a good motor and being committed down low. If 27 can't do it with his skill and frame it's more of an effort thing."
"Playing centre is not really that difficult. It's more a case of having a good motor and being committed down low. If 27 can't do it with his skill and frame it's more of an effort thing."