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Tank Nation Redux 2018

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I also know we aren't willing to go 13 years without a series win to get decent. The lack of a cogent plan from Bozovin is the big problem.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
I also know we aren't willing to go 13 years without a series win to get decent. The lack of a cogent plan from Bozovin is the big problem.
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We have gone a quarter century without a cup. We also collectively survived the 90 habs. We can survive 13 years without a series win because what other choice do we ****ing have?
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
There is internecine warfare after 2 losses,
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we survived the Roy trade. Well, you guys did, I wasn't really following hockey yet.

Then there were the shitty 90s habs.

Then there were the shitty bubble first round fodder habs of the early 2000s.

Then there were the semi competitive post lockout habs where the habs and their fans survived going a entire decade not winning a cup for the first time in their history.

We survived the injury ridden habs that landed us chucky, we survived Boston and the goon squad winning the cup, we survived the price 6 week to 6 month injury that had the habs go from first in the division to safely out of the playoffs, we survived the subban trade and we will survive yet another decade of the Habs not winning the cup.

So seriously, shut it about we cannot survive 13 years without a series win. What are Habs fans going to do? Bitch and complain? Ya, sure. But unless people suddenly become fluid in their fandom, they will still go to games, watch games on TV, go onto forum boards and twitter and Facebook and bitch about how shitty the team is, whoever owns the tam will continue to line their pockets, life will go on, the habs will not fold, and hopefully after 13 years(starting now) of running around in the wasteland of hockey some savior will actually show up and bring this team to the promised land.

Aren't willing to go 13 years without a series win... What the actual **** are they going to do about it?
 
That is not the same as 13 yeara without a playoff series win. An entire generation of Leaf fans has never seen them win a series. Hell they have only made the playoffs twice.
 
TheCountofMonteCristo said:
That is not the same as 13 yeara without a playoff series win. An entire generation of Leaf fans has never seen them win a series. Hell they have only made the playoffs twice.
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And what, the leafs fans didn't put up with it? No, they did. They didn't have a choice.

Habs fans are no different. 13 years without a playoff series win, what do you think habs fans will do differently from leaf fans?

25 years ago you ask any habs fan if they would stand for a quarter century without a cup and they likely tell you that they couldn't stand 5 years without a cup, but here we are 25 years later and those same fans are still going to games, chatting on message boards bitching and moaning.

13 years of what the leafs went through and the habs fans would do the exact same shit, don't kid yourself. They would endure it, because, for the 3rd time, what else could they do?

Seriously? Stop watching the habs?

Stop going to games?

Stop buying habs gear?

Seriously, what do you think Habs fans would do if the team went 13 years without a series win?
 
Altair said:
we survived the Roy trade. Well, you guys did, I wasn't really following hockey yet.

Then there were the shitty 90s habs.

Then there were the shitty bubble first round fodder habs of the early 2000s.

Then there were the semi competitive post lockout habs where the habs and their fans survived going a entire decade not winning a cup for the first time in their history.

We survived the injury ridden habs that landed us chucky, we survived Boston and the goon squad winning the cup, we survived the price 6 week to 6 month injury that had the habs go from first in the division to safely out of the playoffs, we survived the subban trade and we will survive yet another decade of the Habs not winning the cup.

So seriously, shut it about we cannot survive 13 years without a series win. What are Habs fans going to do? Bitch and complain? Ya, sure. But unless people suddenly become fluid in their fandom, they will still go to games, watch games on TV, go onto forum boards and twitter and Facebook and bitch about how shitty the team is, whoever owns the tam will continue to line their pockets, life will go on, the habs will not fold, and hopefully after 13 years(starting now) of running around in the wasteland of hockey some savior will actually show up and bring this team to the promised land.

Aren't willing to go 13 years without a series win... What the actual **** are they going to do about it?
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A beauty piece of penmanship . The way we are building this team , looks like more than 13 more without a cup at least.
 
GEEMAN said:
A beauty piece of penmanship . The way we are building this team , looks like more than 13 more without a cup at least.
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And to look beyond the habs, its clear that the league is getting harder to play againsts, not easier. There are more teams, which inherently makes it harder, but there are some teams making smart moves which will make it harder to get past them for a cup. Toronto in our own division for one. Out west there are teams building hard to play against elite teams. Even Vegas is looking really good, well ahead of schedule. Teams cannot afford to be making dumb moves these days, for other teams will definitely feast on your stupidity. The habs and bergevin have made a series of really poor moves and the effects will be felt for years to come.

This team might only into the start of a really long cup drought. The people who are comparing us to the post lockout leafs are bang on, and after years of futility the only thing that truly saved the leafs was a complete top to bottom detox, a complete housecleaning, firing every scout, every assistant, every coach at every level, every towel boy and starting fresh. Only the best would do, they demanded results and now, with a bit of draft luck on their side, they are getting results.

The sooner the habs get on board and do the same, no matter how long the process takes, the better, because barring the most epic of runs by price this team is about as far away from a cup as the leafs were in 2004.
 
Altair said:
We have gone a quarter century without a cup. We also collectively survived the 90 habs. We can survive 13 years without a series win because what other choice do we ****ing have?
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They won't go 13 years without a series win. So that's silly to bring up anyway.

Some older fans just don't want to go through a proper rebuild. Their own clock is ticking...
 
MindzEye said:
Would have, I don't think there should really be any questioning that.



Fair enough, but you'd have the asset to go get one. Or if you're not trading Sergachev (which I wouldn't blame anyone for doing after watching him bust out this young) you could make due until you can get the right deal for at least an overpaid decent #2 to come available. Nashville didn't exactly give up a boatload for Turris, for example.



I agree, but given the situation MB was in, his choice of paths was the worst one he could have taken. The Habs are stuck right now, either go balls out and try to fluke your way into the position that a hot Carey Price can maybe win your a trophy, or blow it up. MB wants to waffle in between the two paths that actually make sense and that only makes the situation worse (as a Leaf fan, I lived a decade of that bullshit).

Look at last year's Sens. Somehow managed to get themselves into a ECF game 7. If they had a hot Carey Price in net, history might have been different. That is the shot MB needed to be aiming at. Do his best to cobble together a decent group of centres by the deadline and take as many runs at it as he can before Weber becomes completely immobile or Price's knee starts to push him into decline.

Basically, he's your John Ferguson Jr.
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I would feel much better about the situation if they could draft and develop anybody.
 
Molson has no other choice but the stay the course and hope the team turns it around in time to make the playoffs.

But the worst thing that can happen to this team is actually making the playoffs....because it will give MB-Molson breathing room to rinse-repeat the same story over and over again

If they miss the playoffs, with a healthy Price, then Bergy runs out of excuses.

He used up all his excuses....what will he say this time ? We were missing Arturi Letkhonen ?
 
worm said:
I would feel much better about the situation if they could draft and develop anybody.
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This!

Habs have had plenty of opportunity over the past 15-yrs to build an elite & deep team without having to tank. A strong 2003 draft, simply following publicly available central scouting rankings would've setup the C, W, and D positions for 10+ years.

The opportunity presents itself yet again with a deep 2018 pool & generational 2019 cuvée.
 
Sal_Butera said:
This!

Habs have had plenty of opportunity over the past 15-yrs to build an elite & deep team without having to tank. A strong 2003 draft, simply following publicly available central scouting rankings would've setup the C, W, and D positions for 10+ years.

The opportunity presents itself yet again with a deep 2018 pool & generational 2019 cuvée.
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I really hope we hold onto the picks we have accumulated. Run with this team and no "Band-Aid" fixes that cost us valuable 2nd and 3rd rounders.
 
I'm so tired of this specious narrative about what the fans will or won't accept with regard to a rebuild. It's BS.

Given some of the moves the front office has made over the past 20 years I think it's idiotic to think in terms of what the fans will or will not "accept". Clearly this isn't something that weighs on the minds of management and ownership when they undertake a course of action so pretending that they care about what John Q. Fan thinks is faulty reasoning. They didn't consult the fans (or bother about what they'd think) when they traded Roy or Subban, two of the most popular players this team has had in the past 2 decades so if they didn't make the playoffs for 13 years the fact that the fans would be upset wouldn't be a consideration for them either. Besides, they figured out a long time ago that the fans, despite what they threaten, will put up with pretty much whatever they're told to put up with. This team doesn't have trouble selling tickets or raising prices on a yearly basis regardless of how well or poorly the team performs so this is clearly a battle that has already been fought and lost by the fans.

I warned people years ago that if they let the team off the hook for not winning Cups and bought in to all the excuses (it's not a 6 team league anymore, the definition of what constitutes a successful season has to change, yada, yada, yada) that eventually the bar would be lowered to the point where mediocrity would become the accepted norm and anything even slightly better than that would be cause for celebration. Well, what I predicted has now come to pass. The litmus test for success is no longer championships but merely playoff appearances. The fans have demonstrated to ownership that they will remain faithful with their hearts and (most importantly) their wallets no matter what they do. So if the Habs decided that the time had come for a proper tear-down and rebuild that would entail the team missing the playoffs for a decade they could do it confident in the knowledge that the fans would put up with it. Ultimately, a fan has only one option: stop spending money on the team. Since the fans in Montreal have proven time and time again that they'll never stop spending money on the Habs, the Habs are free to do whatever they wish and treat their fans with as much or as little regard as they choose.

So the real reason why we know that the Habs will never commit to a proper rebuild isn't because "the fans would never accept it". It's because ownership will never accept taking in less money by missing the playoffs every year for a decade. Ownership doesn't care about anything but profits. Playoff revenues are more important than rebuilding the roster properly. So they won't rebuild. They will merely keep looking for quick fixes designed to get the team into the top 8 so that ownership can get their playoff gates on an annual basis. Stop putting this on the fans because what they supposedly will or won't accept is immaterial. The Habs called their fans' bluff a long time ago. They know now that they no longer need to worry about the fans. They'll fall into line and do as they're told. They are willing slaves. If the team isn't rebuilding it's not because of the fans, it's because of ownership.

The Habs will not rebuild because MOLSON won't accept it. Leave us fans out of it.
 
Yeah, it's a stupid narrative. Of course the fans will accept it, probably even more than the shit that has been served to us all those years. We have no choice either way. Maybe they'll lose a few ticket sales in the meantime but it's going to be short term. And since they have shown they will not spend to the cap, it shouldn't hurt them financially either.
 
Rolex said:
Molson has no other choice but the stay the course and hope the team turns it around in time to make the playoffs.

But the worst thing that can happen to this team is actually making the playoffs....because it will give MB-Molson breathing room to rinse-repeat the same story over and over again

If they miss the playoffs, with a healthy Price, then Bergy runs out of excuses.

He used up all his excuses....what will he say this time ? We were missing Arturi Letkhonen ?
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He has other choices.

And he still has the Price excuse. He hasn't been healthy this season.
 
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