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Habs trade PK Subban to Predators for Shea Weber

Yep... definitely a team sport. You do however have to hope that your GM can acquire the best individuals to make that team.

It would also help if he hired a coach that knows best how to turn those individuals into the best possible team using their individual skillsets to their maximum potential. Unfortunately our GM has put our team in the hands of a dolt.
 
Habspatrol said:
Yep... definitely a team sport. You do however have to hope that your GM can acquire the best individuals to make that team.

It would also help if he hired a coach that knows best how to turn those individuals into the best possible team using their individual skillsets to their maximum potential. Unfortunately our GM has put our team in the hands of a dolt.
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Then you can have an Owner and GM like the one in Florida who didn't seem like they knew what they had in a good coach. Hell they guy led them to over a 90 point season last year and was not terrible this season without Huberdeau and Jukinen most of the season.
 
That was a situation that was never going to work, though. All indications point to Galland & Rowe having two completely different ideas as to how the team was supposed to be run and Rowe will hire someone who thinks a little more along the lines of what he has in mind this upcoming offseason. Short of having one of the best records in the NHL, the results were pretty much irrelevant in their decision.
 
I've been looking at some numbers on Weber with us this year and some are quite eye popping.

Defensively, Weber is having a stellar year. His ability to minimize high quality chances and second chances combined with a goaltender of the caliber of Carey Price reveals some mind-blowing numbers.

Weber leads the league, by far, for 5 on 5 goals allowed per 60 mins. He allowed only 6 in 547 minutes for a rate of 0.66 goals / 60 minutes. The next one being Niederreiter at 0.95.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...=300&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=A60&sortdir=ASC

Just in Montreal, he allows half the amount of goals than any other skaters while on the ice, despite having just 28.5% offensive zone starts.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...300&teamid=16&type=goals&sort=A60&sortdir=ASC

It gets even more ridiculous when we account for Price. When playing with Price, they allow only 0.31 goals per 60 minutes at 5 on 5. That means Price has only allowed 2 goals at even strength this season when Weber is on the ice. In comparison, Price allows 1.98 goals per 60 minutes when Weber is not on the ice.

The Weber effect is not only limited to Price, when Weber is on the ice, Montoya only allows 1.55 goals / 60. Without Weber that numbers goes up to 3.26!! All this while playing in the toughest defensive situations.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=265&withagainst=true&season=2016-17&sit=5v5

The flip side of the story is that Weber doesn't really drive the offense at even strength. His 1.75 GF / 60 is the lowest on the team. It is also evident in the shots generated as he's 3rd last after Emelin and Mitchell.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...00&teamid=16&type=corsi&sort=F60&sortdir=DESC

But one can't deny the defensive impact he's having on the team, he's being a monster at preventing goals.
 
GrandWazoo said:
I've been looking at some numbers on Weber with us this year and some are quite eye popping.

Defensively, Weber is having a stellar year. His ability to minimize high quality chances and second chances combined with a goaltender of the caliber of Carey Price reveals some mind-blowing numbers.

Weber leads the league, by far, for 5 on 5 goals allowed per 60 mins. He allowed only 6 in 547 minutes for a rate of 0.66 goals / 60 minutes. The next one being Niederreiter at 0.95.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...=300&teamid=0&type=goals&sort=A60&sortdir=ASC

Just in Montreal, he allows half the amount of goals than any other skaters while on the ice, despite having just 28.5% offensive zone starts.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...300&teamid=16&type=goals&sort=A60&sortdir=ASC

It gets even more ridiculous when we account for Price. When playing with Price, they allow only 0.31 goals per 60 minutes at 5 on 5. That means Price has only allowed 2 goals at even strength this season when Weber is on the ice. In comparison, Price allows 1.98 goals per 60 minutes when Weber is not on the ice.

The Weber effect is not only limited to Price, when Weber is on the ice, Montoya only allows 1.55 goals / 60. Without Weber that numbers goes up to 3.26!! All this while playing in the toughest defensive situations.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=265&withagainst=true&season=2016-17&sit=5v5

The flip side of the story is that Weber doesn't really drive the offense at even strength. His 1.75 GF / 60 is the lowest on the team. It is also evident in the shots generated as he's 3rd last after Emelin and Mitchell.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...00&teamid=16&type=corsi&sort=F60&sortdir=DESC

But one can't deny the defensive impact he's having on the team, he's being a monster at preventing goals.
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Great post , the main issue is we needed a player like Weber way more than an offensive defensive risk prone player like PK on this team and system.

Like Todd put it best , PK is better for the fans SW is better for the team.

And lets keep this in mind his defensive partners are arguably third pair level , dont care that Emelin having a good 20 games .

6 effen even strength goals against is sick , dont care about the rest of the fancy stats .
 
Isaac25 said:
Never expected him to drive even strength offence though did we? Nice to see those D numbers...
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I hope people knew from the get go that he would never be an offensize force like many of the usual names we bring up for the Norris.

It's his abilities to defend that make him special, he's as good as it gets in his own end at limiting scoring chances. If people really focus on how he postions himself, wins his battles, how he uses his stick, how he boxes out opponents etc....they will aprreciate how good he really is.

Unfortunately most people only see offense as the measures ng stick of a quality dman
 
GrandWazoo said:
I was expecting a little more than that. We essentially got an elite stay at home D and PP specialist.
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How many elite stay at home d`s are there in this league ? And can be a pp specialist

For this team the way we are set up are we better with Weber or another offensive D

I am still convinced a big reason this deal was made was that we were blessed to have Sergashev be there at 9 , a potential total package top pair D.
 
My post was meant to be a praise to Weber's play and how it shows up in numbers others than goals and assists, especially for those who claims that he's been struggling lately.

I know and can see his value, I was just pointing out numbers to support it.

His lack of driving the offense simply reinforces the need to pair him with a puck moving partner.
 
GrandWazoo said:
I was expecting a little more than that. We essentially got an elite stay at home D and PP specialist.
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Yup, he's looked better defensively than i thought he would. Worse offensively though.

We really need to find the puck mover to play with him... he can't generate from the back end 5 on 5, but if he had a partner who could push the play, we might be able to get some offense out of that slapshot at 5v5.
 
BKerr said:
Yup, he's looked better defensively than i thought he would. Worse offensively though.

We really need to find the puck mover to play with him... he can't generate from the back end 5 on 5, but if he had a partner who could push the play, we might be able to get some offense out of that slapshot at 5v5.
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He's obviously injured.
 
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