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Around the League - Regular Season 2018-19

Re: Around the League - Playoffs 2018

CaptainBolduke said:
Price isn't the best goalie in the world anymore. You can't have a season that bad and still hold that title. Like he was fukc awful this past season.

Next year is big for him.
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That is why i said back to form next year. Well at least i hope he does. Will be a long long contract if not.
 
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wiseguy1 said:
I think Price has to realize that there are more and more players that can really shoot the puck . He gave up too many goals where he had a clear view. He needs to make adjustments to be more aggressive and take that shot angle away.
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That's the weird thing.

5V5 Save percentage for Price 2015 season, 94.3 percent, Low Danger Save % 98.7, Medium Danger Save% 93.1 High Danger Save% 84.9

2016 93.9, LDS% 98.6, MDS% 92.7, HDS% 81.8

2017 93.6, LDS% 97.3, MDS% 91.4,HDS% 87.7

2018 91.5, LDS% 97.5, MDS% 89.4,HDS% 75.5

Looking at his penalty kill save percentage

2015 88.3 , Low Danger Save % 93.9, Medium Danger Save% 94.2, High Danger Save% 78.9

2016 91.1, LDS% 100., MDS% 91.7, HDS% 87.5

2017 86.4, LDS% 91.3, MDS% 89.5,HDS% 80.6

2018 86.5, LDS% 88.9, MDS% 91.7,HDS% 78.9

So his overall Penalty kill save percentage hasn't moved from his career norms.

His 5 on 5 overall save percentage hasn't really moved from much from his career norms.

It's his HDS% that has tanked more noticeably than any other stat.

And the Habs are not giving up more HDSA.

High danger shots against over that same time frame over per 60

2015 10.5

2016 10.2

2017 9.8

2018 9.7

So either price has completely lost the ability to stop high danger chances or the high danger chances this season are more unstoppable than seasons past. This is where the Eye test comes in. The Habs defense is atrocious. Break aways, odd man rushes, getting beat to the puck, losing their man, turnovers trying to transition, the habs defense may not be giving up more HDSA but the ones they do a grade A chances. Price cannot cover this up, no matter how good he is. Looking at his stats, he is performing as well as he has in every season but his Vezina season, where he was playing on another planet. There is no where for him to go stat wise to bounce back, he was playing at his career norms over the past season. the only way to fix price is to fix the defense and stop letting the opposition get all the great looks that they have been. The defense needs to be more mobile, and have much less defensive breakdowns in front of him for him to be able to improve.

If this defense doesn't improve, Price cannot fix it. So all this talk of Price bouncing back is nonsense. The one stat that explains how poorly he's done this season is out of his control. The defense needs to be fixed, now. Price has little to do with it.
 
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Where do you get those stats btw?

Also that analysis goes out the window for 2 reasons:

1) The eye test shows that Price has been letting goals that he usually stops, by a significant margin
2) Niemi has done just fine with the same defense. So it's not like those chances are unstoppable, because another goalie have been stopping them.
 
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GrandWazoo said:
Where do you get those stats btw?

Also that analysis goes out the window for 2 reasons:

1) The eye test shows that Price has been letting goals that he usually stops, by a significant margin
2) Niemi has done just fine with the same defense. So it's not like those chances are unstoppable, because another goalie have been stopping them.
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Corsica hockey

Antti Niemi for 2018 had

90.7 S%

LDS% 98.5

MDS% 91.6

HDS% 78.9

So a bit better than price in the HDS%, but still bad. Where niemi looked a lot better was in LDS% which price was average at. He's not going to do that again. That was in the area price was in when he won the vezina. Don't expect hin to duplicate that, eventually he's going to wake up and remember that he's Antti Niemi
 
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Not sure if Corsica is down or something is blocking me (I'm at work) but it returns nothing. Weird.
 
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Habspatrol said:
Price is not currently the best goalie in the world. Nobody thinks he is, no matter how stupid an argument Altair wants to make.

He could return to form next year, but he definitely isn't the best as of right now.
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So HABS25 was right all along. A shame his analysis went unappreciated during his time on this board.
 
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GrandWazoo said:
Not sure if Corsica is down or something is blocking me (I'm at work) but it returns nothing. Weird.
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Ya, it doesn't work for me at work either.

There are supposed to be drop menus and player search with a bunch of filters, 5 on 5 stats, 5 on 4, 4 on 5, all situations, and the like.

My government computer does not like this so the page comes up as frozen.

http://www.corsica.hockey
 
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GrandWazoo said:
What about it? Both Altair and myself have mentioned it, for different use. The eye test is pretty important when analyzing stats.
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The eye test can be used to make sense of stats.

In this case, price is letting in more high danger shots, meanwhile the habs are giving up less high danger chances.

Those are the stats. But why is it happening? The stats don't say. Either price has suddenly forgotten how to stop high danger shots or the defense is giving up incredibly hard chances to stop. Or maybe something else.

Stats don't say. So yes, use the eye test.
 
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Yes, they work well together, stats don't tell the whole story, and can even be downright misleading. The eye test on the other hand is not as comprehensive, objective and exhaustive as stats.
 
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http://nhl.nbcsports.com/2018/04/18...or-vegas-success-blame-your-gm/?sf187278099=1
After completing their four-game sweep of the Los Angeles Kings on Tuesday night, the Vegas Golden Knights began Wednesday as the new favorites to win the Stanley Cup, at least according to the folks at Bovada.

Whether they actually do it doesn’t really matter at this point because this season is already one of the most stunning stories in North American sports history. A first-year expansion team finishing the regular season as one of the best teams in the league, winning its division, and then blowing through an organization in the first round that just a couple of years ago was one of the elite powers in the league is the stuff that gets turned into movies.

The popular consensus on how this all happened always seems to go back to the expansion draft and the rules that opened Vegas up to more talent than any first-year team in league history.

In all fairness to the teams that preceded them, Vegas certainly had an advantage in that area.

It still should not have resulted in a team this good, this fast.

The fact it happened is not an indictment on the rules the league put in place to aid Vegas in becoming an immediate success.

It is an indictment on the NHL’s 30 other general managers, the way they build their teams, the way analyze and value their own talent, and what they value.

How many times have you heard somebody say that you need to be big and tough to compete with those teams in the Pacific and their brand of heavy hockey?

Edmonton, for example, has spent three years trying to build a team in that image, wasting Connor McDavid‘s entry-level contract in the process.

Now, look at the roster Vegas assembled.

They entered the year in the bottom-10 of the league in both height and weight and were the smallest team in the Pacific Division.

Of the top-200 tallest players in the NHL, only four of them played in Vegas this season.

Of the top-200 heaviest players in the NHL, only six of them played in Vegas this season.

Even those numbers are a little misleading because a lot of the Vegas players on that list barely played. Reaves was in both the top-200 in height and weight and played 20 games for them. Jason Garrison was in there, and he played eight games, as did Stefan Matteau.
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meanwhile we have guys like alzner and Benn skating for us.

Its time to forget the herr durr size argument and get skill and speed.
 
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I'm dead at the Toronto Sports Network's headline today:


"Stronger Marner emerging as Bruins killer"

Who's winning this series? Didn't someone get absolutely dominated games 1 and 2, and outplayed for the majority of game 3?
 
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Bob McKenzie:
CAR doesn’t seem any closer to naming a new GM — Don Waddell remains interim GM — but the Canes are expected to bolster their hockey department today by adding former agent Paul Krepelka as VP of Hockey Ops, whose focus will be primarily contracts.
 
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More Canes talk:

Bob McKenzie:
Interesting game of cat and mouse going on in CAR with head coach Bill Peters and owner Tom Dundon. Peters, for now, has option to leave CAR. Sense is Peters’ strong preference is to NOT return. He is a candidate in CGY/DAL and belief is the Albertan’s preference is to go home. Meanwhile, the sense is Dundon also has a strong preference for Peters to NOT come back. If Peters exercises his option to leave, Dundon is off the hook for Peters’ contract and would be free to name a new head coach. Perhaps Rod Brind’Amour. But if Peters doesn’t use option to leave, if timing and/or prospects of CGY/DAL job don’t materialize during window, Peters may not be eager to walk away from CAR with $ (one year) still on table. May prefer to be fired, but Dundon doesn’t like firing, prefers reassigning.
 
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Altair said:
That's the weird thing.

5V5 Save percentage for Price 2015 season, 94.3 percent, Low Danger Save % 98.7, Medium Danger Save% 93.1 High Danger Save% 84.9

2016 93.9, LDS% 98.6, MDS% 92.7, HDS% 81.8

2017 93.6, LDS% 97.3, MDS% 91.4,HDS% 87.7

2018 91.5, LDS% 97.5, MDS% 89.4,HDS% 75.5

Looking at his penalty kill save percentage

2015 88.3 , Low Danger Save % 93.9, Medium Danger Save% 94.2, High Danger Save% 78.9

2016 91.1, LDS% 100., MDS% 91.7, HDS% 87.5

2017 86.4, LDS% 91.3, MDS% 89.5,HDS% 80.6

2018 86.5, LDS% 88.9, MDS% 91.7,HDS% 78.9

So his overall Penalty kill save percentage hasn't moved from his career norms.

His 5 on 5 overall save percentage hasn't really moved from much from his career norms.

It's his HDS% that has tanked more noticeably than any other stat.

And the Habs are not giving up more HDSA.

High danger shots against over that same time frame over per 60

2015 10.5

2016 10.2

2017 9.8

2018 9.7

So either price has completely lost the ability to stop high danger chances or the high danger chances this season are more unstoppable than seasons past. This is where the Eye test comes in. The Habs defense is atrocious. Break aways, odd man rushes, getting beat to the puck, losing their man, turnovers trying to transition, the habs defense may not be giving up more HDSA but the ones they do a grade A chances. Price cannot cover this up, no matter how good he is. Looking at his stats, he is performing as well as he has in every season but his Vezina season, where he was playing on another planet. There is no where for him to go stat wise to bounce back, he was playing at his career norms over the past season. the only way to fix price is to fix the defense and stop letting the opposition get all the great looks that they have been. The defense needs to be more mobile, and have much less defensive breakdowns in front of him for him to be able to improve.

If this defense doesn't improve, Price cannot fix it. So all this talk of Price bouncing back is nonsense. The one stat that explains how poorly he's done this season is out of his control. The defense needs to be fixed, now. Price has little to do with it.
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You would have to think the D will be the main concern during the off season. I think we will find a vet center but the D will make some changes. Cannot see use going with all the kids. That is of coarse if we dont do a total blow up of everything which is not totally out of the question.
 
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habsfan said:
I'm dead at the Toronto Sports Network's headline today:


"Stronger Marner emerging as Bruins killer"

Who's winning this series? Didn't someone get absolutely dominated games 1 and 2, and outplayed for the majority of game 3?
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The Ruins should end the series in 2 more games if things continue the way they are. They have dominated no matter what TSN says.
 
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Darren Dreger:
Some good college candidates are in the NYR head coaching mix. Montgomery (U of Denver), Quinn (BU) and Sandelin (Minn Duluth). Interesting.
 
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