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    Default The 2003 Draft

    Count gave me this idea.
    Remember Akos?

    2003 was a great draft but a lot of the players seemed to have slipped up or are now just too old.


    1. MAF - Seems to be doing great now. Playoffs though....
    2. Staal - He looked to be at the tail end but a great rebound this year and is back up to PPG
    3. Horton - Good player but never elite. Career is over (injury).
    4. Zherdev - Never amounted to much. In the KHL now.
    5. Vanek - Up and down career.

    6. Michalek - Decent player, never great-- but basically done now.
    7. Suter - Consistent elite dman.
    8. Coburn - Average at best Dman.
    9. Phaneuf - Built a reputation off a good two years early in his career. On a steady decline.
    10. Kostitsyn - A few 20 goal years. Interestingly enough there was not that many easily better players draft ahead of him.

    11. Carter - Very good 60 point player
    12. Jessiman - massive bust
    13. Brown - has slowed down the last few years but a good 20 goal 50 point forward
    14. Seabrook - Up and down Dman that has bordered on elite from time to time. Not having a great year this year.
    15. Nilsson - Bust - Swiss league

    16. Bernier - Bust - AHL
    17. Parise - A couple of elite years but just okay these days.
    18. Fehr - Basically a bust.
    19. Getzlaf - Elite.

    20. Burns - Went from good to elite.
    21. Stuart - No
    22. Pouliot - No
    23. Kesler - Good but not elite.
    24. Richards - two great years but steady decline right out of the league
    25. Stewart - Bust

    26. Boyle - Defensive forward.
    27. Tambellini - Bust. Two kings players in a row that were less than good.
    28. Perry - Up and down but overall a great player.
    29. Eaves - Okay player
    30. Belle - bust
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    Still, in their prime, the guys we didn't take like Carter, Getzlaf, Seabrook, Perry and even Richards were all way better than Bustitsyn.

    I like what you did there
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCountofMonteCristo View Post
    Still, in their prime, the guys we didn't take like Carter, Getzlaf, Seabrook, Perry and even Richards were all way better than Bustitsyn.

    I like what you did there
    we totally facked up that draft , that was the core group we missed royally with 2 second rounders as well

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    Quote Originally Posted by GEEMAN View Post
    we totally facked up that draft , that was the core group we missed royally with 2 second rounders as well
    As GW has mentioned many times, picking both 2nd rounders from the Mtl Rocket had disaster written all over it from the get go. Which is what concerns me with the upcoming draft - people whine TT hasn't had many 2nd round picks from 2008-2017, however, the years he's had multiple 2nd rounders he's failed miserably: 2003 (2), 2006 (2), 2012 (2), 2013 (3) of those 9-2nd rounders Lekohnen is all there is to show for.

    On a positive note, Halak was another TT late round steal in 2003.


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    Default Re: The 2003 Draft

    Curious if drafting has got better league wide since it went to 7 rounds instead of 9
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    Quote Originally Posted by GEEMAN View Post
    we totally facked up that draft , that was the core group we missed royally with 2 second rounders as well
    A lot of teams "facked up" that draft.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worm View Post
    Curious if drafting has got better league wide since it went to 7 rounds instead of 9
    I think it has normalized across the league - the difference between the good & poor drafting teams is not that great if adjusted for teams having repeated top-5 picks.

    IMO that’s especially so post 2012 draft - Stevie Y gambled in 2010 & 2011 that his influence at GM meetings to push for a fighting ban would change the dynamics of the game - even though fighting wasn’t banned the shift in focus to speed & skill game paid off as TBay got a head start at the draft table.

    Other teams have been playing catch-up those who started it in2012 (Preds) have been able to close the gap especially since their core competency of drafting Dman always held true to form. Others who refused to adjust their strategy accordingly (Habs) are now paying the price.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCountofMonteCristo View Post
    Still, in their prime, the guys we didn't take like Carter, Getzlaf, Seabrook, Perry and even Richards were all way better than Bustitsyn.

    I like what you did there
    There's a reason Carter, Getzlaf, Perry, Richards did not go at the top of the draft.

    Getzlaf was for character/motivation issues, teams were not sold on his work ethics (or whatever BS).

    Yes we passed on all of them, but so did more than half of the league in the case of Getzlaf, Perry, Richards.....and 10 teams passed on Carter, preferring guys like Fleury-Staal-Horton-Zherdev-AKos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal_Butera View Post
    As GW has mentioned many times, picking both 2nd rounders from the Mtl Rocket had disaster written all over it from the get go. Which is what concerns me with the upcoming draft - people whine TT hasn't had many 2nd round picks from 2008-2017, however, the years he's had multiple 2nd rounders he's failed miserably: 2003 (2), 2006 (2), 2012 (2), 2013 (3) of those 9-2nd rounders Lekohnen is all there is to show for.

    On a positive note, Halak was another TT late round steal in 2003.
    3 picks total from the local junior team in the same draft is most definitely a terrible sign.

    At least we got Lapierre out of it. Too bad Backes was drafted right after him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal_Butera View Post
    I think it has normalized across the league - the difference between the good & poor drafting teams is not that great if adjusted for teams having repeated top-5 picks.

    IMO that’s especially so post 2012 draft - Stevie Y gambled in 2010 & 2011 that his influence at GM meetings to push for a fighting ban would change the dynamics of the game - even though fighting wasn’t banned the shift in focus to speed & skill game paid off as TBay got a head start at the draft table.

    Other teams have been playing catch-up those who started it in2012 (Preds) have been able to close the gap especially since their core competency of drafting Dman always held true to form. Others who refused to adjust their strategy accordingly (Habs) are now paying the price.
    We tried that strategy first but when we got out muscled by the Sens of all teams in 2013, it all went out the window and that was the beginning of the end for MB and his regime. Summer of 2013 was a terrible off-season for our team and set us back for years. Ironically we made it to the semi-finals the next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolex View Post
    There's a reason Carter, Getzlaf, Perry, Richards did not go at the top of the draft.

    Getzlaf was for character/motivation issues, teams were not sold on his work ethics (or whatever BS).

    Yes we passed on all of them, but so did more than half of the league in the case of Getzlaf, Perry, Richards.....and 10 teams passed on Carter, preferring guys like Fleury-Staal-Horton-Zherdev-AKos
    Problem is we took a bad character epileptic with a bad back in their place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandWazoo View Post
    We tried that strategy first but when we got out muscled by the Sens of all teams in 2013, it all went out the window and that was the beginning of the end for MB and his regime. Summer of 2013 was a terrible off-season for our team and set us back for years. Ironically we made it to the semi-finals the next year.
    Agreed.

    Douglas Murray. Wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by worm View Post
    Agreed.

    Douglas Murray. Wow.
    George Parros, who lasted 1-shift vs Leafs Orr.


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    Quote Originally Posted by worm View Post
    Agreed.

    Douglas Murray. Wow.
    Sign Murray, Parros and Briere (cap space waste), and draft McCarron, De La Rose with our first 2 picks.

    We could have signed Filpulla instead that summer and be in a much better shape at center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandWazoo View Post
    We tried that strategy first but when we got out muscled by the Sens of all teams in 2013, it all went out the window and that was the beginning of the end for MB and his regime. Summer of 2013 was a terrible off-season for our team and set us back for years. Ironically we made it to the semi-finals the next year.
    Ahh the good old days arguing about the value of Corsi..


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandWazoo View Post
    We could have signed Filpulla instead that summer and be in a much better shape at center.
    Thought I read somewhere they tried and offered more than TBay but he didn't want to come to Mtl, just as he refused to waive his NMC last years deadline for Mtl.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sal_Butera View Post
    Thought I read somewhere they tried and offered more than TBay but he didn't want to come to Mtl, just as he refused to waive his NMC last years deadline for Mtl.
    It's probably true. We also tried to sign Lecavalier that summer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandWazoo View Post
    It's probably true. We also tried to sign Lecavalier that summer.
    And Plan C it was with Briere..


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrandWazoo View Post
    It's probably true. We also tried to sign Lecavalier that summer.
    so it could have been worse
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