leafman101
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You'd think if "reasonable people" existed there would be a significantly higher than usual voter turnout in 2020 that changes the game.
You’re asking a lot in the current political climate. Someone with a spine? Good luck.
None of them would beat Trump. He’d chew Warren up. Bernie would give him a run but the country is not quite ready to shift as far left as he would like so I don’t see him winning. Avenatti is a joke.
Biden would be their best shot of the known candidates.
It’s quite possible that the 2020 Dem candidate isn’t even on the radar yet. Obama pretty much came out of nowhere, it could happen again.
Bernie would give him a run but the country is not quite ready to shift as far left as he would like so I don’t see him winning.
That's because the Democrats don't know what it is they are.Left wing policies poll extremely well, Democrats are just shit at branding and messaging, don't conflate the two. Trump's thin ass victory came on largely left wing messaging. I get that his failures since cloud the memory, but he ran on healthcare and jobs for everyone. and yeah, Bernie was shit stomping Trump in head to head polling before he got steam rolled by the DNC. I think (and the available data suggests) that you're really over estimating how "right wing" Americans are.
Trump is the dirty little secret many don’t admit. .
I think that you believe enough people feel the same way about Trump as you do. I don’t agree. Trump is the dirty little secret many don’t admit. You seem to dismiss that fact. It’ll rear up again in 2020.
2018 he is not on the ticket. Historically the party not in power gains seats. If the Dems flip the house people will errantly think it’s a rebuke on Trump. It isn’t. Many of his supporters will only turn out if he’s on the ticket.
I think that you believe enough people feel the same way about Trump as you do. I don’t agree. Trump is the dirty little secret many don’t admit. You seem to dismiss that fact. It’ll rear up again in 2020.
They’ll make that same mistake again.
Reasonable people want to know what a candidate is for... not against.
None of them would beat Trump. He’d chew Warren up. Bernie would give him a run but the country is not quite ready to shift as far left as he would like so I don’t see him winning. Avenatti is a joke.
Biden would be their best shot of the known candidates.
It’s quite possible that the 2020 Dem candidate isn’t even on the radar yet. Obama pretty much came out of nowhere, it could happen again.
Yeah, Biden for sure if he goes in would be a top candidate. Although the far left in the US is definitely getting more and more mainstream, between the Bernie love, and now Ocasio-Cortez getting basically millions in free advertising. But it's still hard to say if they're just a fringe group getting airtime, or if it's a legit movement that will appeal to the average voter.
The problem with calling it the "far left" is that it works right up until people see the policies they support. Then all of a sudden regular Americans start wondering why they can't have those things. The ideological brainwashing only seems to go so far in working against that. Middle class Americans (and poorer) of all political stripes are starting to ask why they can't have health care for all, why they can't have cheap education, etc, etc, etc. Like I said earlier, when looked at in a vacuum, Americans are in support of "far left" policies in massive numbers. The US political left (aka, the corporate Democrats) have done a shit job of messaging and branding towards that massive policy advantage. This newish breed of Social Democrats don't seem to be having the same problem.
Its because Americans are allergic to taxes.
How many Americans believe that they are too heavily taxed?
Then you go look around the G7 and realize america is one of the least taxed countries in the west.
I think a coherent argument could be made, in the language of simple messaging, that taxes wouldn't have to go up. That it would spur job growth, spur entrepreneurs into being able to start more businesses, etc, etc. The the money is already being spent, but it's being spent wastefully. Which is entirely accurate.
When the NDP makes promises like that I call it bullshit.