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OT: American Politics

I’ll bet the US has jets closer to Ottawa and Toronto than Canada does then.

Out of curiosity, do you know if there’s an agreement between the two militaries if the US needs to scramble jets for a threat across the border?
 
flyovers are flyovers. some are done as part of military honours, some aren't.

either way they're awesome.
 
Habsy said:
Interesting.

Yeah, the US has jets everywhere and mist flyovers are done by older jets anyway.
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Yes, the key difference. Every state has a Air national guard with a few jets on hand, usually older ones.

Canada has two main fighter jet hubs, hours away from major population centers, and these are the best jets Canada has right now, old as ****, cost a arm and a leg to keep running, and they are the ones doing the flyovers.

Yet, again, unlike Armored LAVs in a parade, people don't complain about it.
 
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump...ts?via=twitter_page&__twitter_impression=true

.......During this White House meeting, certain details of which have not been previously reported, the president managed to again annoy and confuse U.S. war veterans, this time by getting into a bizarre, protracted argument with Vietnam War vets present about the movie Apocalypse Now and the herbicide Agent Orange.

“It was really ****ing weird,” one attendee bluntly assessed to The Daily Beast.

The meeting included President Trump and the envoys of nearly a dozen major vets groups—including the American Legion, Vietnam Veterans of America, American Veterans, Veterans of Foreign Wars, and the right-leaning Concerned Veterans for America—as well as senior staffers such as Stephen Miller, Kellyanne Conway, Sean Spicer, and Manigault-Newman surrounding the large table.

The president began going around the room asking the different representatives what they were working on and how his administration could help, having made veterans’ issues a cornerstone of his 2016 campaign rhetoric.

Soon, he got to Rick Weidman, co-founder of Vietnam Veterans of America (VVA), who was one of Vietnam vets in the room that day, having served a tour of duty in 1969 as a medic. (Trump famously avoided military service in that disastrous war, ostensibly due to “bone spurs,” and had once said that his prolific sex life was his own “personal Vietnam.”)

According to two sources in the room who requested anonymity, this is when things went off the rails.

During the course of the meeting, Weidman brought up the issue of Agent Orange, an extremely notorious component of the U.S. herbicidal warfare on Vietnam. Weidman was imploring the president and his team to permit access to benefits for a broader number of vets who have said they were poisoned by Agent Orange.

Trump responded by saying, “That’s taken care of,” according to people in the room.

His reply puzzled the group.

Attendees began explaining to the president that the VA had not made enough progress on the issue at all, to which Trump responded by abruptly derailing the meeting and asking the attendees if Agent Orange was “that stuff from that movie.”

He did not initially name the film he was referencing, but it quickly became clear as Trump kept rambling that he was referring to the classic 1979 Francis Ford Coppola epic Apocalypse Now, and specifically the famous helicopter attack scene set to the “Ride of the Valkyries.”

Source present at the time tell The Daily Beast that multiple people—including Vietnam War veterans—chimed in to inform the president that the Apocalypse Now set piece he was talking about showcased the U.S. military using napalm, not Agent Orange.

Trump refused to accept that he was mistaken and proceeded to say things like, “no, I think it’s that stuff from that movie.”

One clue belying the president’s insistence is that the famous Robert Duvall line from the scene in Apocalypse Now, “I love the smell of napalm in the morning,” is not “I love the smell of Agent Orange in the morning.”

He then went around the room polling attendees about if it was, in fact, napalm or Agent Orange in the famous scene from “that movie,” as the gathering—organized to focus on important, sometimes life-or-death issues for veterans—descended into a pointless debate over Apocalypse Now that the president simply would not concede, despite all the available evidence.

Finally, Trump made eye contact again with Weidman and asked him if it was napalm or Agent Orange. The VVA co-founder assured Trump, as did several before him, that it was in fact napalm, and said that he didn’t like the Coppola film and believed it to be a disservice to Vietnam War veterans.

According to two people in attendance, Trump then flippantly replied to the Vietnam vet, “Well, I think you just didn’t like the movie,” before finally moving on.

The debate over Apocalypse Now in the Roosevelt Room lasted at least two minutes, according to estimates from those who endured it. The president was not able to call on everyone at the roundtable by the end of the event, in part due to these types of tangents.

Reached for comment Wednesday, Weidman told The Daily Beast that he does “hate that movie,” and while he did not go into specifics of this part of the meeting, he did confirm that Trump “said something where it was clear he was confused by napalm and Agent Orange.”....
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Habsy said:
I’ll bet the US has jets closer to Ottawa and Toronto than Canada does then.

Out of curiosity, do you know if there’s an agreement between the two militaries if the US needs to scramble jets for a threat across the border?
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NORAD takes care of it.

If needed, Canada puts in a request through NORAD. And yes, the US has jets a lot closer to Ottawa than Canada does. Fortunately, most of the need to scramble jets are happening at the edge of Canadian borders, in the arctic, and eastern and western seaboard, where Bagotville and Cold lake can respond faster than the Americans can, and anything in the interior usually isn't urgent enough to need to call the Americans about.

Should push come to shove, with a hijacking near the Canadian capital or Toronto, it's probably American jets who would have the faster response time, embarrassing as that is.
 
Altair said:
NORAD takes care of it.

If needed, Canada puts in a request through NORAD. And yes, the US has jets a lot closer to Ottawa than Canada does. Fortunately, most of the need to scramble jets are happening at the edge of Canadian borders, in the arctic, and eastern and western seaboard, where Bagotville and Cold lake can respond faster than the Americans can, and anything in the interior usually isn't urgent enough to need to call the Americans about.

Should push come to shove, with a hijacking near the Canadian capital or Toronto, it's probably American jets who would have the faster response time, embarrassing as that is.
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Good thing the 2 countries are such close friends and neighbours, would never squabble over anything, and are always there for each other :cheers2:
 
UWHabs said:
Good thing the 2 countries are such close friends and neighbours, would never squabble over anything, and are always there for each other :cheers2:
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On 9-11, Canadian Air assets were mobilized with the authority of the then Prime Minister Chretien, so I imagine if Canada realized that it needed American help it would quickly be brought to the president for approval.

I don't think that NORAD can act cross borders unilaterally, so I imagine Trump could just say no to helping, at least until supply management was abolished and Canada spends 2 percent of GDP on defense.
 
Altair said:
Can you explain why a flyover using a military jet is awesome but a parade involving a LAV would not be?
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For me, the flyover is usually just a cool bonus to another event. So I go to like the MLB all-star game, and they have a flyover there and it's awesome.

But a military parade just seems like it's going too far with it. It's more like just pumping the military to pump the military. I mean, I've got nothing wrong if the "float" for the military in a Macy's parade or a Pride parade is a LAV. I mean, I love tanks, so totally love if they want to display them. And like, I would have nothing wrong if Trump wanted a Veterans Day parade where retired units can be celebrated, maybe with one or two modern units to be celebrated too. But we all know that's not what he wanted.
 
Altair said:
Can you explain why a flyover using a military jet is awesome but a parade involving a LAV would not be?
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because jets are awesome?

we used to sneak into pearson airport and lay down on the tarmac as the jumbos came flying in low over us. that was even more awesome.


though, now that I think of it, watching a parade of jets would get lame pretty quick, too.
 
I mean if the LAVs were travelling hundreds of miles an hour and jumping over me, that would be cool too.

can they do that?
 
zeke said:
because jets are awesome?

we used to sneak into pearson airport and lay down on the tarmac as the jumbos came flying in low over us. that was even more awesome.


though, now that I think of it, watching a parade of jets would get lame pretty quick, too.
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Is that what is boils down to for you?

Military Jets are awesome, Armored vehicles are not?

Because I dare say, there is a segment to the population that finds armored vehicles quite interesting

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/why-world-of-tanks-is-wildly-popular-and-no-one-se/1100-6444022/
 
LeafGm said:
To most civilians, they're kind of indistinguishable from each other aside from one having treads, and the other not.
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There are huge differences in terms of firepower, role, crew capacity, safety, speed, armament, size, weight, armor, and terrain suitability!
 
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