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    Quote Originally Posted by DonKay View Post
    Really? Cause his last year in Nashville he scored 20 goals got 51 points.

    I don't get where you see he was getting worse?

    Was his body taking a beating? Most likely

    But he was still playing very good hockey, even in his first year as a Hab.
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    What does this mean for the cap?

    How much more cap space does he get due to this long term injury?
    Depends if the habs even bother to put him on LTIR.

    I mean, why would they? Then they would need to start thinking about the cap floor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonKay View Post
    What does this mean for the cap?

    How much more cap space does he get due to this long term injury?
    doubt it will matter but depends how long he is out
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altair View Post
    Depends if the habs even bother to put him on LTIR.

    I mean, why would they? Then they would need to start thinking about the cap floor.
    think they will be fine to the cap floor

    but how does insurance work?
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    Default Re: Weber out 5-6 months after knee surgery

    A player doesn't go on LTIR until the team has reached the cap anyway, won't be an issue.

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    Lose for Hughes is on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DonKay View Post
    I don't see that at all.

    His first year here was very good and was a key cog on the World Cup team.

    It's ok to acknowledge that his body has taken a beating from playing upwards of 25 minutes a game for about the last ten years but he was still playing very good hockey
    I said he was getting worse even in Nashville based on advanced stats. Didn't say he sucked.

    He's toast though now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by worm View Post
    any stats to back that up?

    because these are his point totals in his career


    2005-06 Nashville Predators NHL 28 2 8 10
    2006-07 Nashville Predators NHL 79 17 23 40
    2007-08 Nashville Predators NHL 54 6 14 20
    2008-09 Nashville Predators NHL 81 23 30 53
    2009-10 Nashville Predators NHL 78 16 27 43
    2010-11 Nashville Predators NHL 82 16 32 48
    2011-12 Nashville Predators NHL 78 19 30 49
    2012-13 Nashville Predators NHL 48 9 19 28
    2013-14 Nashville Predators NHL 79 23 33 56
    2014-15 Nashville Predators NHL 78 15 30 45
    2015-16 Nashville Predators NHL 78 20 31 51
    2016-17 Montreal Canadiens NHL 78 17 25 42
    We were talking advanced stats. There were many graphics showing him vs. Subban.

    Points wise he was fine. I didn't say he sucked. Just said that he was getting worse based on other stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DonKay View Post
    What does this mean for the cap?

    How much more cap space does he get due to this long term injury?
    Regardless, it doesn't matter when you're rebuilding. As long as you get to the floor it's fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainBolduke View Post
    I said he was getting worse even in Nashville based on advanced stats. Didn't say he sucked.

    He's toast though now.
    He never relied on his mobility to be the player he is, but to lose a step or two and not have played hockey for a full year, yeah, next season is a write off and then we are wondering if he can even come back the season after.
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    In all reality -- I hope for his sake that he can recover and have a sound finish to his solid career.

    But for the short-term (translating to long-term) this is probably a good thing for the Habs. The Habs need consecutive top draft picks, and this helps.

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    In all reality -- I hope for his sake that he can recover and have a sound finish to his solid career.

    But for the short-term (translating to long-term) this is probably a good thing for the Habs. The Habs need consecutive top draft picks, and this helps.
    Yep. Hopefully Price slips on ice and hurts his knee, or Angela keeps him chronically tired and max just needs to sulk his way through another season, and we are well set up for another top 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Altair View Post
    He never relied on his mobility to be the player he is, but to lose a step or two and not have played hockey for a full year, yeah, next season is a write off and then we are wondering if he can even come back the season after.
    Itís best to let him take all the time he needs, get him back in say late January. Get back in game shape then move him for a ransom at deadline.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    It’s best to let him take all the time he needs, get him back in say late January. Get back in game shape then move him for a ransom at deadline.
    I don't think he is getting much coming off of two surgeries with 7 years left on his deal.
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    I doubt Marc and Geoff envisioned that their shitty trade would blow up in their faces like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Habsy View Post
    It’s best to let him take all the time he needs, get him back in say late January. Get back in game shape then move him for a ransom at deadline.
    If he is back by Janurary that would mean it only took him 3 weeks to get his body back in game shape.

    I think you're looking at about 2 months after his recovery time for when he comes back.

    Also, Weber has no value right now. He might regain value in 2 years or so, but he won't have any after missing over a year of hockey.

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    I doubt Marc and Geoff envisioned that their shitty trade would blow up in their faces like this.

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    I've been doing my best to ignore the trade part of this..... it just makes me sad at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Altair View Post
    I don't think he is getting much coming off of two surgeries with 7 years left on his deal.
    If he comes back and has a strong 6 weeks you will get buyers on reputation alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exit716 View Post
    I doubt Marc and Geoff envisioned that their shitty trade would blow up in their faces like this.

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    The trade was never going to end well. Never.

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