CaptainBolduke
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So in nutshell they've done nothing and made no mark and some are OK with it. Fair enough I guess.
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So in nutshell they've done nothing and some are OK with it. Fair enough I guess.
Dead serious question that I have been racking my brain over trying to answer:
During on the 3-4 seasons that Shapiro/Atkins have been here (hired halfway through 2015), what major mark have they put on this team? We are most definitely at a point where we can critically analyze these guys.
Their major signings have been Kendrys Morales and Jamie Garcia (apparently Happ was signed by LaCava). Both those guys suck and make real money. Hernandez is a nice hitter, but hardly a major mark on the franchise.
What am I missing? I must be missing something.
If they finish 4th or 5th in the division will real rumblings start, or do they have a 8-10 year lifeline?
What did you expect them to do honestly . AA ripped up the farm for a 1-2 year quick , albeit exciting run .
They take over a team in soon to be decline with bad contracts , old and slow .
Prospect pool minus a few studs is terrible.
They didnt mortgage the future and picked up Solarte and others at fair money .
This is as close to what Shanny had to work with when he took over .
This is a really bad post, but I guess I will respond. Nearly all of this is wrong.
The farm was never ripped up. Outside or Noah, none of the guys AA traded became anything. They had a legit chance to win it all in 2016, but Shaprio did nothing - they won the ALDS that year despite Shapiro.
The Jays currently have a top 10 farm system and many of the top guys are still AAs players.
Blaming AA for Shapiro for doing nothing for nearly 4 years is an annoying argument.
Cmon your losing it ....he took over in August in 2015 not even close to 3 years .
He took over after AA blew his brains out for 2 year quick fix and ripped the prospect pool.
In 2015 the prospect pool was brutal. The team peaked had its fun and was soon to be in decline .
The team was old, slow , with bad contracts .
The decline was inevitable. What the hell did you expect him to do in 2 -2 1/2 years , pull Trout and Harper out of his ass .
We didnt have Judge , Sanchez , Nunez or the studs Boston had in their pipeline or on their roster ....not even close .
Pillar was the only developed position player we had in a decade .
We have very few tradeable assets to do what the Yanks did when they dumped stars at the deadline and acquired stud prospects .
He didnt trade Vlad or Bichette for a quick fix or a proven vet . He did ok this summer with timely moves .
Your way of base with this assessment .
what prospect not named Noah did AA give up that we should regret?
AA made the right deals at the right times. But the fact still remains that he traded a shitload of prospects, and this was one of the oldest teams in the league and on the decline with a thin farm system. Yes, they should have been more aggressive when they got here and the EE/Kendrys "swap" was a terrible move, although Edwin is definitely on the decline and everyone should understand the desire to get younger.
They've done a decent job building up the farm system on top of the guys inherited from AA. Not signing Price to that ridiculous contract was the right move, as were the Pittsburgh Liriano and Teoscar deals. It hasn't been all bad by any means.
Excellent post , we did a decent job in the 2 1/2 years Shats took over with limited assets to work with .
He resisted trading Bichette for Yelich or other prospects for more vets .
Its not the point , our prospect pool was terrible in 2015/2016.
Keith Law a very respected ESPN MLB analyst had us ranked 25th at the end of 2016 . Combine that with a slow aging roster we werent going anywhere.
Its not the point , our prospect pool was terrible in 2015/2016.
Keith Law a very respected ESPN MLB analyst had us ranked 25th at the end of 2016 . Combine that with a slow aging roster we werent going anywhere.
It seems unfair to me that AA gets 100% of the credit for drafting certain guys, but Shatkins gets zero for developing the guys they inherited.