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Girard was a big piece to give up for the Preds... but their D is filthy and they seem to keep producing quality dmen. This was a really nice deal for them. Johansen, Turris and Bonino are a real nice top 3 for a team that was thin at C for a long time.
axlsalinger
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Ridiculously bad trade for Ottawa.
BKerr
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Preds still have Fabbro, Carrier, Allard, Dougherty and Murphy as nice D prospects in the system, and took Farrance this year. They deal from a real position of strength. Subtracted virtually nothing from the active roster and got a real good #2 centre.
The Sens gave up their 2017 (Bowers) and 2018 first rounders and a 3rd for a marginal (at best) upgrade on Turris. THEY GOT HOSED.
This kinda reminds me a little of the Weber/Subban perception.
There's a perception that Duchene is better than Turris. Stats don't back it up, but the perception is there. Just like Weber was viewed as better than Subban... cause he plays the white way.
At least the Habs didn't add a bunch of assets to get Weber I suppose.
There's a perception that Duchene is better than Turris. Stats don't back it up, but the perception is there. Just like Weber was viewed as better than Subban... cause he plays the white way.
At least the Habs didn't add a bunch of assets to get Weber I suppose.
JohnnyHolmes
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That’s great and all but for some reason I suspect that you would be telling me how bad that deal was if Turris signed it with the Sens.
JohnnyHolmes
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Right when we have resigned every single one of the guys we acquired under similar circumstances.
Worry about your own team.
The Sens don't believe they can win the cup with Turris as their #1 C.
Do you disagree?
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JohnnyHolmes
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JohnnyHolmes
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The Sens made the trade without giving up White, Chabot, Ceci, Brown, Formenton, Perron, Gagne, Batherson...literally none of our good prospects.
Yeah we gave up Bowers, a (low) 1st and a 3rd.
For Matt freaking Duchene...
:lol
Ouch my ass is sore :lol
LeafGm
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I believe the Sens were essentially one OT goal away from winning the Cup last year, with Turris as their #1C.
And based on their production this year, and the past three years, I think a Turris/Duchene swap is essentially a sideways move, with the potential to be an upgrade for the Sens, but only if you think the 70-point pace Duchene scored at four years ago (and in the preceding lockout-shortened season) is a level he can get back to on the regular.
So, that's all that I don't get. Unless Turris wasn't willing to come back to Ottawa at all, or he wanted the Sens to pay him significantly more than the 6X6 deal he took from Nashville, I don't get heaping a fistful of high-value assets on top of Kyle Turris in exchange for a guy one season away from UFA who's not guaranteed to be a big upgrade.
JohnnyHolmes
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So if he wasn’t willing to sign, it’s a good deal?
The prospects and picks Ottawa gave up was a fist-full?
Shane Bowers a 1st and a 3rd is a fist-full?
The prospects and picks Ottawa gave up was a fist-full?
Shane Bowers a 1st and a 3rd is a fist-full?
MindzEye
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At 6x6?
No, I wouldn't. That's not exactly a great deal for Turris, but it's not bad either.
MindzEye
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Except for Turris...who apparently Melnyk didn't want to pony up for. Do you think Duchene is going to take 6x6, or do you think he's worth that much more than Turris?
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Nah man, we're good. I'm not worried about some temporary structural and goaltending issues. Now, if we give away a pile of stuff with Jake Gardiner for a marginal upgrade on the blueline, I'll get a bit worried.
MindzEye
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All reports suggest that he was willing to sign in Ottawa.
Yes. That represents your last 1st rounder and next 1st rounder. That's not an insignificant amount of assets given up here.
MindzEye
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No, I don't disagree at all. But I don't see Duchene as being anything more than a very marginal upgrade on Turris. Both are very good #2 centres imo.
MindzEye
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Heh. All your good prospects like Perron, the 21 yr old fighting to scrape up .5 ppg in the AHL...Formenton, the kid you drafted after Bowers a couple months ago...gagne, another 21 yr old plug doing nothing in the A. What did you do, just randomly name kids under 23 in your system?
Yeah, you didn't give up Chabot, Brown , or White for a marginal upgrade. Congrats. But you did give up one of your top 5 prospects (probably 4th best) for that marginal upgrade.
Your 4th best prospect, and most recent 1st round pick
Maybe...Dorion was smart enough to get top 10 protection on it.
Who is maybe, maybe slightly better than Kyle Turris and only signed for one more year after this.
JohnnyHolmes
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Yesterday you would say Duchene > Turris without a doubt.
And yes the 1st is lottery protected.
And Formenton was a hell of a pick. 6 days away from being ineligible for this years draft, and impressed enough to stick after camp. Yeah Gagne and Perron are 21. Hoffman was 24-25 before he started making
Noise at the NHL level. So what?
Shane Bowers is nowhere near our 4th best prospect either.
Bowers a lottery protected 1st and a 3rd. Plus dumping Hammond? That’s a steal.
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