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Deckie007
10-10-2012, 09:38 PM
I agree with you on Val, he'll take some time. However, I have a hard time accepting a rookie's (Ross) career arc before his first regular season game. He could be better than that. And Fields played out of position last year. He's a SF that was forced to play SG and his play suffered. Let's see how he looks playing where he should be.

MyNameIsJonas
10-10-2012, 11:20 PM
He's not wrong about Fields or Davis

Fields was a ploy to get Nash it failed

Leafin'
10-10-2012, 11:48 PM
Forget Nash.

I like what Lowry potentially brings to the line up.

Bring me a tough defensive unit and im a happy camper.

MyNameIsJonas
10-11-2012, 12:08 AM
but we didnt need to sign Fields to get Lowery.....now we're stuck with him

Leafin'
10-11-2012, 01:01 AM
Fields could be a useful player off the bench, and its not like he takes up a lot of capspace. Hell, even if he did we'd have no one to spend it on. NO one wants to come here.

MindzEye
10-11-2012, 01:20 AM
Fields sucks...warned you guys when BC tried to be super sneaky in the Nash chase. He rebounds the ball well and he's not shit defensively...that's about all the nice things I have to say about his game. We're into him for 6 million a year or something, aren't we?

and cap space is always useful in trade talks. Always, mother****ing always. Pissing away cap space on a shit player because we don't have anyone else to spend it on is silly.

MyNameIsJonas
10-11-2012, 02:05 AM
Fields best asset is is hot gf

TimHorton
10-11-2012, 09:07 AM
Pic or it didn't happen.

MyNameIsJonas
10-11-2012, 10:17 AM
2739


Elaine Alden

Landry Fields girlfriend

I apologize, i didnt make the picture bigger

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-11-2012, 10:36 AM
Fields was very efficient at both ends in his rookie season (when he was primarily playing his natural position). If he reverts back to that form, it's a good deal. You don't get much in the NBA when you barely pay above the MLE.

I've liked what I've seen Ross. Looks like a guy who can play both ends, he runs the floor well and he has a nice sweet stroke. Eventually a solid starter at least imo.

Initially Val will probably only provide 10-15 energy minutes. He's very active and he's going to alter/block a few shots, grab some boards, and get some easy points on the break. But it's a long term thing with him.

If they stay relatively healthy, they can make the playoffs or at least seriously challenge for them.

mbow30
10-11-2012, 10:41 AM
i found the panning of the ross pick a bit strange. and i've asked people why it's an iffy pick but nobody can seem to give a fair answer.

by all accounts he is athletic, he can run the floor, he has a decent stroke with some range, and he is diligent defensively. sounds like a kid with some starting potential at the 2...

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-11-2012, 10:48 AM
I like Ross better than DD already. Ross is/will be a better defender and he actually has the range of a SG. He's the future starter at the 2 imo.

DD is a RFA next season. I'd trade him before I extend for 8-10 mill a year, which is probably what's it going to take to re-sign him. He gets to the basket pretty well, but the fact he can't shoot the ball and he's a mediocre defender are huge strikes against him.

zeke
10-13-2012, 12:12 AM
So after mizzi crowed over jonas not being great in the first 13 minutes against nba competition ever, the kid comes back with 11 and 8 tonight.

Drummond with an invisible 6 minutes, btw.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-13-2012, 09:23 AM
Even though it didn't show in the stats, Val was solid in his first start as well. The Raps played very well with him out there. He was a +8, which was the best on the team.

MindzEye
10-13-2012, 10:51 AM
So after mizzi crowed over jonas not being great in the first 13 minutes against nba competition ever, the kid comes back with 11 and 8 tonight.

Drummond with an invisible 6 minutes, btw.

JV is a project, but there will be solid performances just on skill set alone. I expect 12-15 mpg this season, and something in the range of 6pts, 4 boards and close to a block a game.

Drummond has more upside though imo...and I was JV's biggest supporter here prior to us drafting him.

Preston_Mizzi
10-13-2012, 12:02 PM
Yeah. Great performance, but don't expect to see much of that in his rookie season. ME hit the nail on the head.. he's a project that will receive 12-15 mpg this season that will occasionally show flashes of brilliance. He is going to be a solid player, no doubt.

Drummond is also a project who may not receive many minutes this season either, but he has incredible potential. Even if he busts, you can't fault the Pistons for taking him at 9.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-13-2012, 12:05 PM
Val might get 10-15 for the first little bit, but by the mid or closer to the end of the season, I think he's going to be in the 20-25 range. Despite being pretty raw, he's just too big, active and athletic to have sitting on the bench.

MindzEye
10-13-2012, 12:10 PM
Val might get 10-15 for the first little bit, but by the mid or closer to the end of the season, I think he's going to be in the 20-25 range. Despite being pretty raw, he's just too big, active and athletic to have sitting on the bench.

We'll probably be in playoff contention...and Amir >> JVal at this point. JVal is competing with 2 legit NBA bodies for minutes at the 5 spot, and he only plays the 5 right now.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-13-2012, 12:18 PM
Amir can play the 4/5 and Bargs can play 3/4/5 depending on matchups.

I think Amir, Bargs, Val will end up being the big man rotation at the 4 and 5. I'm not a big believe in any of Acy, Gray or Davis.

Preston_Mizzi
10-13-2012, 12:20 PM
Not sure about Davis but you can be sure that Gray will get his minutes. Casey is in love with him.

Montana
10-13-2012, 12:23 PM
One player Casey is sure to develop a serious man crush on is Ross.....I tend to agree with Player, that he'll eventually be your starter at the 2.

mbow30
10-13-2012, 12:28 PM
i'm hopeful. still can' tfigure out why the pick was panned.

athletic, has a jumper with some range, can put the ball on the floor, plays defence.

wtf is the problem?

sounds like michael finley upside to me.

MindzEye
10-13-2012, 12:53 PM
Amir can play the 4/5 and Bargs can play 3/4/5 depending on matchups.

I think Amir, Bargs, Val will end up being the big man rotation at the 4 and 5. I'm not a big believe in any of Acy, Gray or Davis.

There's not a whole lot of players Bargs can match up with at the 3 spot...I don't know if you want his calf muscles defending anything resembling a plus first step. He's become a passable post defender under Casey's guidance...there's no reason to play him at the 3 and I doubt Casey uses him there this season.

So you have Bargs playing 35 minutes at the 4 spot, and Amir playing 22-25 minutes at the 5 most likely. That leaves ~36 minutes for the other 4 bigs...Gray & Davis will both get minutes, and JVal is super raw right now. Not just raw, but he's never played anything resembling an 82 games NBA schedule....15-17 minutes from him would be an awesome rookie season, 12-15 is what I'm expecting though.

MindzEye
10-13-2012, 12:54 PM
i'm hopeful. still can' tfigure out why the pick was panned.

athletic, has a jumper with some range, can put the ball on the floor, plays defence.

wtf is the problem?

sounds like michael finley upside to me.

Not known for creating his own shot, usually means limited offensive upside.

MyNameIsJonas
10-13-2012, 01:08 PM
Doesnt Ross project like a James Posey type?

Montana
10-13-2012, 01:13 PM
Nick Young/JR Smith (with better defense).....

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-13-2012, 01:15 PM
Best comparable I've seen is Eddie Jones.

da_next_kid
10-14-2012, 07:17 AM
Drummond finished with 19 pts, 10 rebs, 2 blks, and 2 asts on 9-13 FG in 25 min

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgnhMxHznd0&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WkQg65PGqSo

Dude is a man child.

Deckie007
10-15-2012, 12:04 AM
Best comparable I've seen is Eddie Jones.

I'd be thrilled with that. Eddie Jones was an excellent all-round guard.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-15-2012, 02:16 PM
Lowry expected to play Wednesday. Calderon questionable.

Fitzgerald#11
10-15-2012, 04:19 PM
looking for someone to join a keeper league, been going around for few years now. includes some people on this board too.

pm if interested

MindzEye
10-15-2012, 06:14 PM
looking for someone to join a keeper league, been going around for few years now. includes some people on this board too.

pm if interested

What's the structure of it?

Fitzgerald#11
10-15-2012, 06:29 PM
Last spot just got taken sorry

MindzEye
10-15-2012, 08:56 PM
Douche

Fitzgerald#11
10-15-2012, 08:59 PM
Blame Montana

Deckie007
10-15-2012, 10:20 PM
Fitzgerald, I'm guessing you are on my board? Which user are you?

Fitzgerald#11
10-15-2012, 11:00 PM
Falcons

Deckie007
10-15-2012, 11:12 PM
Thought so. Carry on.

Montana
10-15-2012, 11:20 PM
Blame Montana


Should be the board slogan.

Deckie007
10-15-2012, 11:23 PM
It's all manlove, Montana. :001_wub:

Preston_Mizzi
10-17-2012, 06:19 PM
zeke, are the rumors true that BC has been given permission to spend over the cap next season and become a luxury tax team? It came from some guy on realgm, which I decided to lurk on for the first time in years. I doubt it's true, but it doesn't hurt to ask.

zeke
10-17-2012, 06:34 PM
Dunno.

i'll ask next time....but i've got no idea when that'll be.

zeke
10-17-2012, 09:59 PM
Jonas has a very nice shooting touch to go with his physical and athletic game. This kid is gonna be good.

Preston_Mizzi
10-17-2012, 10:17 PM
Lowry is pretty awesome. May be the best pg we've seen on the raps since Damon.

mbow30
10-18-2012, 02:04 AM
"He is a very strong player and very active," Okafor said of guarding Valanciunas. "He is a difficult player to play against because he is high energy and is always moving, always doing something."

MindzEye
10-18-2012, 02:28 AM
Jonas has a very nice shooting touch to go with his physical and athletic game. This kid is gonna be good.

The question with JV's medium range jumper has always been his release...can't he develop a quick enough trigger to use it as a weapon in the NBA...he's a fantastic free throw shooter for a big, but has a slow, slow release. Hopefully it's improved.

MindzEye
10-18-2012, 02:28 AM
Lowry is pretty awesome. May be the best pg we've seen on the raps since Damon.

Calderon before the hamstring injuries >

MyNameIsJonas
10-18-2012, 02:49 AM
Bargnani has calf injury

Water is wet

zeke
10-18-2012, 07:30 PM
The question with JV's medium range jumper has always been his release...can't he develop a quick enough trigger to use it as a weapon in the NBA...he's a fantastic free throw shooter for a big, but has a slow, slow release. Hopefully it's improved.

Not his jumper so much I was impressed with - more his one-handed stuff in traffic. He's got a very soft touch. Hell, he's pulling out a running jump hook as a regular move already...and it's working.

Alfamale
10-18-2012, 07:47 PM
that dunk where he (JV) blew by Okafor was MANtastic. looks like the kid has a fierce temperament.

Fitzgerald#11
10-19-2012, 09:39 PM
Can't believe this kid is just 20, Val that is.

zeke
10-20-2012, 06:32 PM
Just watching Raptors Today, showing highights from the knicks game last night.

Jonas Valanciunas is gonna be really good.

Actually, he already is pretty dang good. Even up against Amare.

He's one of those rare euros where it looks like his game is even more suited to the NBA than it was over there.

zeke
10-20-2012, 06:34 PM
and you know, Landry Fields doesn't suck, either.

mbow30
10-20-2012, 06:38 PM
and you know, Landry Fields doesn't suck, either.

don't think they could have anticipated it but it seems like he has some natural chemistry with lowry.

zeke
10-20-2012, 06:42 PM
He seems to do everything kinda well. They haven't been running any plays for him and as long as he's kept in that kind of supporting role he could be effective.

It's also interesting to see how much JV and Bargs have been playing alongside each other in pre-season, and how eager coach seems to be to keep Calderon-Amir's chemistry together.

I think JV might just squeak his way into the starting lineup outright.

C Valanciunas
PF Bargnani
SF Fields
SG DeRozan
PG Lowry

C Johnson
PF Davis
SF Kleiza
SG Anderson/Ross/Lucas
PG Calderon

that could be a pretty dang good 2nd unit right there.

Preston_Mizzi
10-20-2012, 06:47 PM
Yeah, I think JV has earned the starting position. Whether he gets the most minutes out of all of our centers is another story, but he looks a lot more impressive than most people anticipated. Hopefully he can continue to do it in the real season. He still has a lot to learn, but damn I love the way he plays. He's no pussy pushover like Bargnani and he works his ass off. He actually WANTS to learn and get better, which is a pretty awesome complement to his high skill level. Him, Drummond and Lillard have been the three most impressive rookies in preseason thus far. It would be cool if those three were the ones to battle it out for rookie of the year. I'm sick of this Anthony Davis hype. Unfortunately, Davis will get guaranteed big minutes so he probably has the upper hand.

Fitzgerald#11
10-20-2012, 06:52 PM
were going to need everyone first 1/4 of the season thats for sure. not sure what the schedule makers have against us but 15 of 22 on the road to start?!?!? 15 away games include

@BRK
@OKC
@DAL (B2B)
@IND
@BOS
@PHI
@CHA (B2B)
@DET
@HOU
@MEM (B2B)
@DEN
@SAC

Preston_Mizzi
10-20-2012, 06:56 PM
I also think you'll see Gray starting against Centers like Dwight, Bynum, etc. JV doesn't have the strength to deal with those baboons at the moment. He's a 20 year old skilled big man.. no one should be surprised that it'll take a while for him to develop, but he's off to a great start.

zeke
10-20-2012, 07:01 PM
I dunno. Gray started the first two preseason games, but I'm not sure he's even seen the floor the last 3 games since Jonas got healthy.

MindzEye
10-20-2012, 07:04 PM
Just watching Raptors Today, showing highights from the knicks game last night.

Jonas Valanciunas is gonna be really good.

Actually, he already is pretty dang good. Even up against Amare.

He's one of those rare euros where it looks like his game is even more suited to the NBA than it was over there.

It's his movement. I'd like to find my first post about him when I was hoping we'd get our hands on him (assuming Kyrie Irving was unavailable of course), but I remember pointing out was how natural his movement off of the ball was, how impressive he was in the pick and roll situations. He moves the way you want a big to move, motor always running, always coming back to help out the guards with high screens, always cutting to the basket expecting the ball after every screen.

Loved the potential of his game the first time I watched video of him, still love his game. He's bigger and stronger than I thought he'd be this early though.

MindzEye
10-20-2012, 07:05 PM
and you know, Landry Fields doesn't suck, either.

We're going to dislike the contract, but he's a league average or slightly below, swingman. So he's not horrible, but he's not really any good either.

zeke
10-20-2012, 07:14 PM
Is $6m even really all that much?

At ages 22-23, Fields has put up this line: 30.0mpg, 9.3ppg (48.0fg%, 34.4tp%, 66.9ft%), 5.4rpg (1.1off), 2.2apg (1.4to), 1.1stl, 0.2blk, 1.4pf

and by all reports he's good defensively.

He wasn't great as a sophomore but he was one of the best rookies in the league the year before (2 Rookie of the month awards, 4th in ROY, on first rookie team). And his dissappointing 2nd year might have been mostly because Carmelo being healthy last year moved Fields permanently to the SG slot, instead of the SF slot he was playing in most of his rookie year.

I think our low expectations for him might work in his favor. He's never going to be a go-to scoring option but he might be a nice piece.

Hoss
10-20-2012, 07:18 PM
Watching little of the pre season, it seems that the best line up is Jval C, Bargs as PF, Fields SF, DeRozan and Lowry. That group looked good together as what I saw... mostly because it seems that everyone was comfortable is their spot. Bargs is a PF, Fields is an SF. They probably feel right.

MindzEye
10-20-2012, 07:19 PM
Is $6m even really all that much?

For a rotation swingman with a questionable stroke? Yeah. Don't get me wrong, he's not a black hole or anything, especially with our lack of NBA bodies at the 3. But think about it for a second, there's no way we sign him if it wasn't part of the Nash gambit. None, zero.

Alfamale
10-20-2012, 07:22 PM
im excited for this season. this team has potential. (should have picked drummond though)

da_next_kid
10-20-2012, 07:27 PM
Bargnani needs to step up his game. He needs to be a 24ish ppg scorer in order for the Raps to make the playoffs.

Fitzgerald#11
10-20-2012, 07:33 PM
Like our team but schedule makers did all they can to put us in a hole. 15 of first 22 games on the road. Have to go out west twice in that span

MindzEye
10-20-2012, 07:38 PM
Bargnani needs to step up his game. He needs to be a 24ish ppg scorer in order for the Raps to make the playoffs.


DD being a consistent 2nd option is at least as important imo. The team will defend well under Casey, and Bargnani will get his (as long as he's healthy) but the secondary offensive punch from DD & Lowry/Calderon really needs to be consistent. There's just not a lot of scoring depth on this team.

zeke
10-20-2012, 07:45 PM
For a rotation swingman with a questionable stroke? Yeah. Don't get me wrong, he's not a black hole or anything, especially with our lack of NBA bodies at the 3. But think about it for a second, there's no way we sign him if it wasn't part of the Nash gambit. None, zero.

But $6m isn't really the going rate for a good starting player, at any position.

That's pretty much what borderline starters / good bench guys bet, no?

looking around the division for guys at similar salaries:

BOS: B.Bass, C.Lee
BKL: nobody, but their lowest salaried starter is Wallace at ~$10
NYK: nobody
PHI: S.Hawes, J.Richardson, N.Young, E.Turner

MyNameIsJonas
10-20-2012, 09:54 PM
Fields will never be a good sign IMO, but its possible that i can turn out to not be a bad one

MindzEye
10-20-2012, 10:04 PM
But $6m isn't really the going rate for a good starting player, at any position.

That's pretty much what borderline starters / good bench guys bet, no?

looking around the division for guys at similar salaries:

BOS: B.Bass, C.Lee
BKL: nobody, but their lowest salaried starter is Wallace at ~$10
NYK: nobody
PHI: S.Hawes, J.Richardson, N.Young, E.Turner

I guess the question is, would you rather pay him 6, or trade for someone who is a legit starter and makes 12? I'm simply not a big fan of tying up significant chunks of capspace in limited ceiling, limited effectiveness players....I mean, we're paying Fields & Kleiza 10.6 million to play SF for us, that's just not an effective use of cap space.

MyNameIsJonas
10-20-2012, 10:08 PM
I guess the question is, would you rather pay him 6, or trade for someone who is a legit starter and makes 12? I'm simply not a big fan of tying up significant chunks of capspace in limited ceiling, limited effectiveness players....I mean, we're paying Fields & Kleiza 10.6 million to play SF for us, that's just not an effective use of cap space.

Ideally, you want one of Klieza/Fields as a rotation SF behind a legit scoring option there, but you dont need both.

axlsalinger
10-21-2012, 04:14 AM
Fields is a smart player that every team can use, and good starters cost a lot more than $6 mil. He will actually get $5.0, $5.225 and $8.5 over 3 years, so the first 2 years are really not an overpayment, the third year was designed to cost the Knicks a lot of money because they will be well into full-on expensive luxury tax by then. He won't be worth $8.5, but he should still be a tradeable asset as last year contracts are often desirable on the market. So really the hand-wringing over this deal has been overblown.

MindzEye
10-21-2012, 11:22 AM
Fields is a smart player that every team can use, and good starters cost a lot more than $6 mil. He will actually get $5.0, $5.225 and $8.5 over 3 years, so the first 2 years are really not an overpayment, the third year was designed to cost the Knicks a lot of money because they will be well into full-on expensive luxury tax by then. He won't be worth $8.5, but he should still be a tradeable asset as last year contracts are often desirable on the market. So really the hand-wringing over this deal has been overblown.


Only, Fields isn't a "good starter". He's not even an "average starter"....and who is "hand wringing"? The deal is what it is, we signed a meh swingman to a market value free agent contract as part of a gambit to get our hands on Steve Nash. The only major upside I see as part of this is that Fields > Kleiza...so we'll see a lot less of Kleiza with Fields in house.

axlsalinger
10-21-2012, 01:22 PM
I never said he was a "good starter". My point was that $5 or $5.225 is fine for a solid rotation player.

leafman101
10-21-2012, 01:24 PM
Yea $5 mill isn't a lot of money in the NBA. The average salary in the NBA is $5.15 million.

MindzEye
10-21-2012, 10:12 PM
Yea $5 mill isn't a lot of money in the NBA. The average salary in the NBA is $5.15 million.

According to PER, he's a below average NBA player.

zeke
10-21-2012, 10:18 PM
http://raptorsrepublic.com/2012/07/04/landry-fields-signing-analysis/



if we assume the generally accepted $2.5M cost per win, we would need Fields to produce approximately 2.5 wins above replacement per season to justify the cost. Based on Basketball Reference’s Win Share metric, Fields was worth 5.3 and 3.4 wins the past two years, while Hollinger’s EWA sees him as 3.4 and 1.2. I prefer BR’s method here because it includes some measure of defense (offensive and defensive rating are included), while Hollinger’s is purely offense.

So, even if Fields performed at his sophomore level (2011-12), which was well below his rookie baseline, he’d be “earning” his contract strictly in terms of $/win. This assumes he could maintain 30MPG on this roster, that he’d remain relatively healthy, and a few other assumptions, but since most seem to think The Real Landry Fields is somewhere between 2010-11 and 2011-12, a reasonable expectation might be a 4-win player.

MindzEye
10-21-2012, 10:24 PM
Win Shares /= WAR

I'm not sure off hand though, how many wins according to WS that a replacement level player would be worth in the NBA.

zeke
10-22-2012, 07:46 PM
There are a lot of things to like about these Raps all of a sudden.

If Bargs, Lowry, and DD can be legit reliable scoring options, this team might win some games. I really like the potential of JV and Fields as hustle/glue guys in the starting lineup, and a bench with Jose, Amir, and Kleiza is plenty good.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-23-2012, 09:37 AM
Val had 10 pts (on only 3 shots), 8 Rebs, 4 Blks in 28 MINS last night. Talk about efficient. I don't see how you can't start him based on his preseason performance.

Lowry is a pitbull out there. Exactly the type of guy that will thrive under Casey. I think he's going to be huge in late game situations.

Some encouraging signs this preseason from a few key individuals.

Aberdeen
10-23-2012, 09:42 AM
Just watching the highlights DD does look quite a bit bigger. Could be a good sign.

mbow30
10-23-2012, 11:42 PM
i'm excited about lowry. this team hasn't had a player like him since stoudamire.

zeke
10-23-2012, 11:44 PM
not exactly a true PG, though.

but maybe those guys are dinosaurs anyways.

mbow30
10-23-2012, 11:51 PM
true, but he plays hard all over the court and attacks the basket with speed.

gotta be able to defend rondo at the 1, too.

Leafin'
10-24-2012, 12:13 AM
The thing i like most about Lowry is the fact that he can defend exceptionally well.

He adds an element of character to the team that otherwise lacks any bit of personality.

Adam101
10-24-2012, 11:29 AM
Just read on twitter that this is the starting lineup for opening day:

Lowery
DeRozan
Fields
Brags
JVal

zeke
10-24-2012, 11:30 AM
it's been the starting lineup all pre-season, so no surprise.

zeke
10-24-2012, 11:31 AM
As for Lowry, he's an upgrade on a guy like TJ Ford, but still not great. After the honeymoon is over, he's going to frustrate a lot of fans with selfish shot selection and turnovers.

Hopefully he can learn a thing or two from Jose about distributing the basketball effectively.

MindzEye
10-24-2012, 05:45 PM
I really hope he doesn't. Calderon is far too risk averse and perimeter oriented. I'll take an additional goofy turnover and bad shot a game for the increased attention required by defences concerned about Lowry's penetration as well as the easy baskets and trips to the foul line that come with his approach. Calderon has the perfect mentality for a back up PG though...don't turn the ball over and run the offence nice and efficiently, but give me a dribble penetrate & kick guy as my starter all day please.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-25-2012, 09:58 AM
The probelm with TJ Ford and Calderon is that they are both were pretty bad defensively, which was/is the main problem with them. Lowry can defend his position pretty well.

Slowly, the team is becoming more well rounded. Among the starters, Lowry, Fields, Val are all average or above average defensively. Bargs can be when he wants to be. DD has been a weak link on the defensive end. The Raps made huge strides last year defensively and with improved personnel this year, they can be even better.

zeke
10-25-2012, 11:17 AM
We'll see whether Val is a plus defensive player yet. It would be impressive if he was as a 20yr old rookie, but I'm guessing he'll need plenty of work there to start.

MindzEye
10-25-2012, 11:58 AM
Yeah, his length will give some of the leagues shorter centres some problems, but I can't see him being an average or plus post defender until he's well into his mid 20's. He's still skinny.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-25-2012, 02:04 PM
David Stern will step down as NBA commish on Feb 1st 2014.

I wonder if the NBA goes after Bettman given his ties there and the fact he took a smallish NHL at the time and turn it into a 3B+ business.

leafman101
10-25-2012, 02:08 PM
One can dream.

axlsalinger
10-25-2012, 03:32 PM
They already announced Stern's replacement will be Adam Silver.

http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/other_nba/view.bg?articleid=1061170296&srvc=sports&position=recent

NEW YORK — NBA Commissioner David Stern will retire on Feb. 1, 2014, 30 years after he took charge of the league. He will be replaced by Deputy Commissioner Adam Silver.

The announcement came at an NBA Board of Governors meeting Thursday.

Stern told owners during their two days of meetings of his plans, and the board unanimously decided Silver would be his successor.

zeke
10-25-2012, 03:38 PM
jew power!

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-25-2012, 03:53 PM
Are there any jewish NBA players?

mbow30
10-25-2012, 04:08 PM
the 46-47 new york knickerbockers featured:

leo gotlieb
sonny hertzberg
ralph kaplowitz
hank rosenstein
ossie schectman


today we just have jordan farmar

leafman101
10-25-2012, 04:11 PM
Amare Stoudamire.

Fitzgerald#11
10-25-2012, 05:55 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/basketball/nba/10/24/raptors-nba-season-preview/index.html

Good read, opposing scouts take on us and our players

da_next_kid
10-25-2012, 05:56 PM
Omri Casspi

Alfamale
10-25-2012, 08:26 PM
jew power!heh

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-26-2012, 11:19 AM
Im going to predict 40 wins, 9th seed for the Raptors.

OKC over Miami in the finals.

Fitzgerald#11
10-26-2012, 01:51 PM
would be the worst case for Rockets fans wanting a high pick from the Lowry trade

Fitzgerald#11
10-26-2012, 04:24 PM
Stole this from realgm, but regarding our schedule to start the season

Consider:

- 15 of the first 22 on the road

- First 5 road games are: Brooklyn, OKC, Dallas, Indiana and Boston - all good teams.

- The Raptors play 6 back to backs in November. That means about 1/3 of their first 16 games will be played on the second night of a back to back. To put this in context, the Raps have no more than 3 back to backs in any month for the rest of the season.

Deckie007
10-26-2012, 10:34 PM
The Raptors ALWAYS have a brutal opening schedule. Never fails.

MindzEye
10-26-2012, 10:41 PM
Actually being able to play defence is the one thing that bails a club out on the road....Don't be shocked if the Raptors escape that first 22 games 10-12 or something similar.

Leafin'
10-26-2012, 10:54 PM
If the Raps can come out of the road trip at or above .500 we're in for a solid season.

MindzEye
10-26-2012, 11:38 PM
I've been trying to turn this team over in my head in just about every way I analyze a team for quality and there's nowhere that I don't "like" it. I don't love it by any stretch, but I think that anyone calling for less than 35-38 wins is basically banking on a lengthy Bargnani injury. They're just not really soft anywhere.

- They have the ability to score at the rim with Bargnani's new found desire to play with his back to the basket from 8 feet in, JVal's off the ball motion, DD's slashing, and Lowry's ability to dribble penetrate. Because of this, they will get to the line a lot more than we're used to seeing recently.

- The perimeter scoring isn't bad either with Lowry, Calderon, & Bargnani all above average shooters from range. Fields slots into that group if he finds his rookie season stroke as well

- They will have the best backup PG in the league running the 2nd unit...best by far. Calderon should be able to absolutely destroy 2nd units.

- They're reasonably big up front now, and as a unit rebound the ball well. That's one area Fields will actually help a lot in, he's an excellent rebounder for a swingman.

- If Casey could get a group of mid season 10 day contract pick ups to defend the ball well last year, he'll have this unit cohesive in no time.


Just overall a lot more legitimate scoring depth than we've had since Bosh left, and a better rebounding/defending group to go with it. I don't see this as being anything more than 1st round fodder for the Heat, or another top 3 team in the conference, but it's not what I saw last year by any stretch...a vastly different, much better ball club.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-27-2012, 10:34 AM
John Schuhmann ‏@johnschuhmann
From '04 to '10, 15 teams LOST 1 or 0 preseason games. Only 1 of the 15 ('10-11 UTA) missed the playoffs

Volcanologist
10-27-2012, 12:33 PM
would be good for the city if they made it, especially if there is no hockey season.

zeke
10-27-2012, 04:39 PM
Final Pre-Season Stats:


C) J.Valanciunas (20): 6gms, 23.3mpg, 8.3ppg (48.5fg%, 00.0tp%, 78.ft%), 6.8rpg (2.0off), 1.8bpg, 0.7stl, 0.5ast/2.7to, 3.3pf --- (35mpg, 12.5ppg, 10.2rpg, 2.7blk)
PF) A.Bargnani (27): 7gms, 25.6mpg, 13.7ppg (37.9fg%, 40.7to%, 67.9ft%), 3.7rpg (0.4off), 0.7bpg, 0.4stl, 1.1ast/0.7to, 1.1pf -- (35mpg, 18.7ppg, 5.1rpg, 1.0blk)
SF) L.Fields (24): 7gms, 21.7mpg, 6.6ppg (40.4fg%, 12.5tp%, 50.0ft%), 4.4rpg (0.9off), 0.1bpg, 0.9stl, 1.7ast/0.9to, 1.9pf ------- (35mpg, 10.7ppg, 7.1rpg, 2.7apg)
SG) D.DeRozan (23): 7gms, 26.1mpg, 14.3ppg (46.1fg%, 33.3tp%, 72.5ft%), 2.7rpg (0.9off), 0.6bpg, 1.4stl, 0.9ast/2.3to, 2.6pf -- (35mpg, 19.2ppg, 3.6rpg, 1.9apg)
PG) K.Lowry (26): 4gms, 27.0mpg, 16.0ppg (50.0fg%, 47.4tp%, 90.5ft%), 4.0rpg (0.8off), 0.3blk, 1.5stl, 6.0ast/3.0to, 3.8pf ------ (35mpg, 20.1ppg, 5.2rpg, 7.8apg)

C) A.Johnson (25): 7gms, 19.0mpg, 10.0ppg (61.4fg%, 00.0tp%, 64.0ft%), 3.7rpg (2.3off), 1.0blk, 1.1stl, 0.6ast/1.0to, 3.0pf ----- (35mpg, 18.4ppg, 6.8rpg, 1.8blk)
PF) E.Davis (23): 5gms, 19.0mpg, 5.6ppg (47.6fg%, 00.0tp%, 66.7ft%), 7.2rpg (1.4off), 0.6bpg, 0.2stl, 0.4ast/1.2to, 2.2pf ------- (35mpg, 10.3ppg, 13.3rpg, 1.1blk)
SF) L.Kleiza (27): 6gms, 13.7mpg, 5.0ppg (36.4fg%, 23.5tp%, 100.0ft%), 2.5rpg (0.7off), 0.0blk, 0.7stl, 0.7ast/1.0to, 1.5pf ------ (35mpg, 12.8ppg, 6.9rpg, 1.8apg)
SG) A.Anderson (30): 6gms, 17.3mpg, 7.2ppg (38.9fg%, 33.3tp%, 100.0ft%), 2.7rpg (1.0off), 0.0bpg, 0.7stl, 1.5ast/0.8to, 1.2pf - (35mpg, 14.6ppg, 5.5rpg, 3.0apg)
PG) J.Calderon (31): 7gms, 22.0mpg, 8.4ppg (51.0fg%, 42.1ft%, 100.0ft%), 2.0rpg (0.3off), 0.0bpg, 0.9stl, 5.4ast/1.0to, 1.7pf --- (35mpg, 13.4ppg, 3.2rpg, 8.6apg)

C) A.Gray (28): 5gms, 10.6mpg, 2.6ppg (60.0fg%, 00.0tp%, 50.0ft%), 4.6rpg (1.0off), 0.6bpg, 0.4stl, 0.6ast/0.8to, 2.4pf ---------- (35mpg, 8.6ppg, 15.2rpg, 2.0blk)
PF) Q.Acy (22): 4gms, 6.0mpg, 1.8ppg (100.0fg%, 00.0tp%, 50.0ft%), 1.3rpg (1.0off), 0.0blk, 0.5stl, 0.3ast/0.8to, 1.5pf ----------- (35mpg, 10.5ppg, 7.6rpg, 4.7blk)
SF) D.McGuire (27): 5gms, 8.8mpg, 0.8ppg (40.0fg%, 00.0tp%, 00.0ft%), 1.0rpg (0.4off), 0.6blk, 0.4stl, 1.8ast/1.0to, 0.8pf ------- (35mpg, 3.2ppg, 4.0rpg, 7.2ast)
SG) T.Ross (21): 5gms, 19.0mpg, 6.8ppg (33.3fg%, 37.5tp%, 100.0ft%), 1.8rpg (0.4off), 0.2blk, 1.2stl, 0.8ast/0.8to, 1.4pf -------- (35mpg, 12.5ppg, 3.3rpg, 1.5ast)
PG) J.Lucas (30): 7gms, 18.3mpg, 10.6ppg (50.0fg%, 48.1tp%, 71.4ft%), 1.9rpg (0.3off), 0.0blk, 0.4stl, 3.3ast/1.0to, 1.4of -------- (35mpg, 20.3ppg, 3.6rpg, 6.3ast)

zeke
10-27-2012, 04:44 PM
ESPN 10 Storylines to Watch This Year:

#6


If you're looking for a reason the Toronto Raptors jumped to a 5-1 start in the preseason, look no further than the immediate impact of the 20-year-old Lithuanian big man, Jonas Valanciunas (pronounced Val-ehn-chew-ness). The near-7-footer has been an instant presence underneath, averaging more than eight points and eight rebounds in his past four games as the Raptors' starter. More impressively, he's kept his fouls down to a manageable level while seemingly blocking everything in sight.

It's too early to say whether Valanciunas is ready to be a legitimate NBA starter, but there's a lot to like about this kid as he tests the NBA waters for the first time. His youthful energy (he's probably calling for the ball as you read this) and underrated skills on the block has befuddled opposing defenses already. If Valanciunas is ready to be a cog in the middle, Dwane Casey could coach this team into the playoffs.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/8554488/nba-kobe-bryant-share-ball-other-things-watch-season

Alfamale
10-27-2012, 08:20 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bflYjF90t7c

hairnova
10-27-2012, 11:22 PM
OKC trades James Harden, Cole Aldridge, Lazr Hayward and Daquan Cook to the Rockets for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and future draft considerations.

WojYahooNBA: As part of deal, Thunder will receive "significant" future draft picks from Houston, source tells Y! Sports.

Deckie007
10-27-2012, 11:24 PM
Wow.

Fitzgerald#11
10-27-2012, 11:25 PM
Good for both sides, OKC couldn't afford to keep him, get some picks and Lamb as well. Houston been tryin to get an All star for ages, finally have one

Fitzgerald#11
10-27-2012, 11:26 PM
Only thing they could of waited till next summer and go for it this year

MyNameIsJonas
10-27-2012, 11:37 PM
I like this deal for OKC a ton.

I assume they got our 1st in the deal?

MyNameIsJonas
10-27-2012, 11:37 PM
its 2 1sts and a 2nd

Fitzgerald#11
10-27-2012, 11:39 PM
@WojYahooNBA: Thunder pushed final offer to Harden to 4 years, $53M-$54M, sources tell Y! When that couldn't get deal done, Presti moved into trade mode.

This is interesting though, $5-6 million discount to play for a title contender for the next 5 years??

da_next_kid
10-28-2012, 03:12 AM
Why not look at it the other way, the team isn't willing to keep him for $ 6 million over 4 years. OKC is a better team with Harden than without him. Dumb trade by OKC.

Deckie007
10-28-2012, 03:27 AM
They are better with him, but you can't keep everyone. If you can cultivate and develop talent around Durant and Westbrook then flip it for a nice return like this, it's better than losing Harden for nothing or tying up a tonne of cap space with 3 players. Remember, not everyone has unlimited budgets to dive into the luxury tax every year like the Lakers, Knicks, et al. Teams like OKC need to keep payroll flexibility.

axlsalinger
10-28-2012, 05:31 AM
Wowsers, didn't see that one coming. Like this deal for OKC.

MindzEye
10-28-2012, 08:50 AM
OKC will probably turn those picks into help now.

MyNameIsJonas
10-28-2012, 11:23 AM
from a scoring standpoint they aren't losing anything going from Harden to Martin.

MindzEye
10-28-2012, 11:45 AM
Nope, and they'll be able to add a far chunk of depth with those picks and have potentially added their SG of the future with Lamb.

I don't "blame" OKC for this move at all, I'd have a hard time giving big money to a guy like Harden who was a complete flop in pressure games last year. Very nice player, but one worth burying big money into and limiting the flexibility of further player moves? When I already have 2 perimeter threats that are better ball players? Nah.

MyNameIsJonas
10-28-2012, 11:50 AM
I frankly dont get the massive hate from the "experts" shitting on OKC for this deal.

If anything, shit on Harden for being greedy.

They added an awesome rotation guard that can shoot with anyone in the NBA, and frankly Martin is a starter on half the teams in the NBA to begin with.

Lamb and the draft picks set them up for the future or as M.E. has said can be used to bring in more depth for this year

FWIW the picks are

2013 Toronto 1st
2013 Dallas 1st
2013 Charlotte 2nd

Good on Houston for keeping all their own picks.

It's a great deal for both teams IMO, assuming Harden can be the man and mesh with Lin

Fitzgerald#11
10-28-2012, 12:40 PM
Yeah Houston still has room for a max guy next summer. Would be tempting for Dwight if the Lin-Harden combo works

Leafin'
10-28-2012, 04:38 PM
Houston is garbage.

Love this trade for OKC.

MindzEye
10-28-2012, 04:39 PM
Yeah Houston still has room for a max guy next summer. Would be tempting for Dwight if the Lin-Harden combo works

I don't see any situation in which Dwight doesn't re-up in Laker Land. They didn't trade for him to let him walk within a year.

da_next_kid
10-29-2012, 12:20 AM
It's all about the $, Dwight aint leaving.


This decision is more about money than anything. If Howard signs a contract extension now, the most he could earn is $60 million over three years. However, if he waits until free agency, he could earn a five-year contract from the Lakers that would pay him over $100 million. Howard is likely waiting to secure a longer-term deal next summer.

MindzEye
10-29-2012, 07:54 AM
Free agents don't leave the Lakers if they're wanted back.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-29-2012, 11:21 AM
Grantland


Presti likely started with Anthony Davis before mulling over names like Klay Thompson, Utah's young bigs (Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter), Bradley Beal, Jonas Valanciunas (with Jose Calderon's expiring deal), and maybe one or two others before landing on Houston.1


All these teams, save the Hornets, had at least semi-serious internal or external discussions on Harden.



Like Harden, but not enough to give him max (or close to it) + give up Val.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-29-2012, 11:29 AM
The new CBA is going to hurt a lot of the smaller / mid market clubs from retaining free agents. Because of the big jump up in the luxury tax, only the big market teams (like LA, NY, Miami) can afford to pay it.

Unless OKC wanted to have 3-4 highly paid players and a bunch of minimum scrubs, they needed to trade Harden to avoid the luxury tax.

This is a great trade for Houston. They gave up a prospect in Lamb who will likely never be as good as Harden, a one dimensional shooter in Martin, a top 20 protected pick from Dallas and a pick from the Raptors that will likely be in the 10-14 range. Basically, a lot of decent assets, but nothing significant. Plus, they still have money to sign a max free agent in the summer after giving Harden his deal.

OKC maybe could have waited until the summer do something because Harden is a RFA, but I guess they wanted to deal him before a gun was pointed to their head as a team probably would have offered him a max type deal in the summer that they'd be forced to match.

Montana
10-29-2012, 03:02 PM
It's a classic win/win for both sides imo.

MindzEye
10-29-2012, 04:30 PM
Harden is a really nice ball player, but there are a few red flags there imo, when considering if he's worth max money:

1) iirc he's already had a major knee surgery
2) he was a complete no show in the finals
3) he turned down a very healthy, very fair contract to stay with a legitimate contender and form one of the deadliest core groups in the league for the next decade
4) He's a combo guard without a true position imo.

axlsalinger
10-29-2012, 04:37 PM
Lots of red flags. He's good, and it may very well work out for Houston, but he's not worth a max contract IMO and OKC offered him a very lucrative deal. Can't believe he turned it down.

Fitzgerald#11
10-29-2012, 04:40 PM
Very good and not great players are getting max deals in the NBA. Eric Gordon and Roy Hibbert this summer for example. I Harden better then those 2??

axlsalinger
10-29-2012, 04:44 PM
Gotta feel bad for these poor teams being forced within their will to offer these deals. Guess they need another lockout to help control themselves.

zeke
10-29-2012, 05:24 PM
SN 590 The FAN @FAN590
Raptors rookie, Jonas Valanciunas has been named opening night starter at center by head coach Dwane Casey.

MindzEye
10-29-2012, 06:31 PM
Very good and not great players are getting max deals in the NBA. Eric Gordon and Roy Hibbert this summer for example. I Harden better then those 2??

Sure, but you don't build a championship by giving those type of players, those type of contracts.

MindzEye
10-29-2012, 06:31 PM
SN 590 The FAN @FAN590
Raptors rookie, Jonas Valanciunas has been named opening night starter at center by head coach Dwane Casey.

Impressive, didn't expect it this soon.

Deckie007
10-29-2012, 07:24 PM
Sure, but you don't build a championship by giving those type of players, those type of contracts.

+1. That is precisely how mediocre teams stay medicore.

axlsalinger
10-29-2012, 07:28 PM
What, you guys aren't Rashard Lewis fans?

I will admit, I do love me some Eric Gordon, I'd throw the dice on him for a high but reasonable price, but definitely not a max deal.

Deckie007
10-29-2012, 07:31 PM
I was actually, remember the Raps tried to get him when he came off his rookie deal? But not at 20 M / season. Still can't believe the Magic gave him that. I bet Rashard still can't believe it.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-29-2012, 09:26 PM
Tough matchup for val in game 1. Hibbert is a physical player. If val can stay out of foul trouble, he should be able to use his speed and athleticism against him.

zeke
10-29-2012, 09:50 PM
Can;t believe the Raps have a legit center for the first time...ever.

Deckie007
10-30-2012, 12:59 AM
http://sportsblogs.star-telegram.com/.a/6a00e54f7fc4c58833014e5feff93a970c-320wi

Sez, C'mon Man! I was twice the center David Robinson was, literally!

Montana
10-30-2012, 01:16 AM
Marcus Camby says hello.

zeke
10-30-2012, 01:23 AM
M.Camby: 6'11", 220lbs
J.Valanciunas: 7'0", 260lbs

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 01:25 AM
Camby is/was a damn effective C at the NBA level.

I could make a mild argument for Antonio Davis too.

zeke
10-30-2012, 01:27 AM
Both were wannabe Cs, not big enough for the position, and more suited to PF.

Jonas is a pure C, through and through.

Montana
10-30-2012, 01:27 AM
M.Camby: 6'11", 220lbs
J.Valanciunas: 7'0", 260lbs

Do you really think that implies Marcus Camby wasn't a legit NBA center?

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 01:29 AM
Do you really think that implies Marcus Camby wasn't a legit NBA center?


I'm with you big daddy M

zeke
10-30-2012, 01:35 AM
Do you really think that implies Marcus Camby wasn't a legit NBA center?

Absolutely.

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 01:35 AM
that means theres what Zeke, like 7 legit C in the NBA?

zeke
10-30-2012, 01:38 AM
Certainly not a ton of them out there, that's for sure.

Montana
10-30-2012, 01:41 AM
that means theres what Zeke, like 7 legit C in the NBA?


....and Jonas Valanciunas is apparently already one of them.

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 01:43 AM
....and Jonas Valanciunas is apparently already one of them.

That's good news.

and by Zeke's logic

Andrew Bogut>Marcus Camby

At any given point in there respective careers at C

zeke
10-30-2012, 02:16 AM
Camby was a 220lb power forward whoplayed out of position for some seasons for teams that did not have legit Cs.

i am ecstatic that the raps have a legit c with legit talent for the first time, and not a 220lb tweener or 7ft stiff.

Aberdeen
10-30-2012, 03:27 AM
I think Valanciunas is sort of deceptively big because he moves so well; he's not lumbering around like some bigs.

Deckie007
10-30-2012, 07:45 AM
Camby was incredibly injury prone when he was a Raptor...but was a legit center no doubt about that.

zeke
10-30-2012, 12:04 PM
there's no such thing as a 220lbs legit centre.

every team that had Camby as their best choice for centre was always on the lookout for a real centre.

In toronto the raps tried to turn guys like Sharone Wright and Oliver Miller into starting Cs alongside Camby.

In New York, the equally undersized Kurt Thomas was more of the "post" guy than Camby.

In Denver, they tried a nice experiment with a fast frontcourt of Martin and Camby, but had Nene as the guy used against true C matchups. The experiment was a failure, though.

In LA, Camby was quickly made irrelevant by Chris Kaman coming into his own, and in Portland Aldridge was the C.

TimHorton
10-30-2012, 12:05 PM
If JV is anywhere near the player Camby was, the Raps will be thrilled.

zeke
10-30-2012, 12:20 PM
That's like saying if JV is anywhere near the player Shawn Marion was, the Raps will be thrilled.

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 12:38 PM
Diddn't we have Mengte Bateer?

TimHorton
10-30-2012, 12:39 PM
Did Shawn Marion average 10 boards and 2.5 blocks a game?

zeke
10-30-2012, 12:46 PM
ok, Josh Smith then.

zeke
10-30-2012, 01:56 PM
MIN: N.Pekovic 6'11", 290lbs
UTA: A.Jefferson 6'10", 290lbs
PHI: A.Bynum 7'0", 285lbs
IND: R.Hibbert 7'2", 280lbs
SAC: D.Cousins 6'11', 270lbs
OKL: K.Perkins 6'10", 270lbs
MEM: M.Gasol 7'1", 265lbs
DAL: C.Kaman 7'0", 265lbs
BRK: B.Lopez 7'0", 265lbs
LAL: D.Howard 6'11", 265lbs
LAC: D.Jordan 6'11", 265lbs
CHA: B.Haywood 7'0", 263lbs
GSW: A.Bogut 7'0", 260lbs
CLE: A.Varaejao 6'11", 260lbs
TOR: J.Valanciunas 7'0", 257lbs
HOU: O.Asik 7'0", 255lbs
NO: R.Lopez 7'0" 255lbs
SA: T.Duncan 6'11", 255lbs
WAS: E.Okafor 6'10", 255lbs
BOS: K.Garnett 6'11", 253lbs
DEN: J.McGee 7'0", 252lbs
DET: G.Monroe 6'11", 250lbs
MIL: S.Dalembert 6'11", 250lbs
ATL: A.Horford 6'10", 250lbs
POR: J.Hickson 6'9", 242lbs
NYK: T.Chandler 7'1", 240lbs
ORL: N.Vucevic 7'0", 240lbs
PHX: M.Gortat 6'11, 240lbs
MIA: C.Bosh 6'11", 235lbs
CHI: J.Noah 6'11", 232lbs

Fitzgerald#11
10-30-2012, 04:01 PM
@ekoreen: Talks between Raptors and DeMar DeRozan's reps are ongoing, with deal before Halloween deadline for extension still very possible.

Interesting...

Lawson just signed for 4/48. Much superior player so gives both sides a benchmark.

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 04:17 PM
I'd rather let him play out the year and see what he is.

Montana
10-30-2012, 04:24 PM
MIN: N.Pekovic 6'11", 290lbs
UTA: A.Jefferson 6'10", 290lbs
PHI: A.Bynum 7'0", 285lbs
IND: R.Hibbert 7'2", 280lbs
SAC: D.Cousins 6'11', 270lbs
OKL: K.Perkins 6'10", 270lbs
MEM: M.Gasol 7'1", 265lbs
DAL: C.Kaman 7'0", 265lbs
BRK: B.Lopez 7'0", 265lbs
LAL: D.Howard 6'11", 265lbs
LAC: D.Jordan 6'11", 265lbs
CHA: B.Haywood 7'0", 263lbs
GSW: A.Bogut 7'0", 260lbs
CLE: A.Varaejao 6'11", 260lbs
TOR: J.Valanciunas 7'0", 257lbs
HOU: O.Asik 7'0", 255lbs
NO: R.Lopez 7'0" 255lbs
SA: T.Duncan 6'11", 255lbs
WAS: E.Okafor 6'10", 255lbs
BOS: K.Garnett 6'11", 253lbs
DEN: J.McGee 7'0", 252lbs
DET: G.Monroe 6'11", 250lbs
MIL: S.Dalembert 6'11", 250lbs
ATL: A.Horford 6'10", 250lbs
POR: J.Hickson 6'9", 242lbs
NYK: T.Chandler 7'1", 240lbs
ORL: N.Vucevic 7'0", 240lbs
PHX: M.Gortat 6'11, 240lbs
MIA: C.Bosh 6'11", 235lbs
CHI: J.Noah 6'11", 232lbs


ie: Rafael Arujo > Bill Russell

zeke
10-30-2012, 04:28 PM
here's to not having to stick a 220lbs tweener at C for the next decade!

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 04:31 PM
And all the time JJ Hickson was available....we diddnt even need to draft Jonas

Alfamale
10-30-2012, 04:57 PM
If you can get the job done at center it doesn't matter what you weight.

leafman101
10-30-2012, 04:59 PM
I don't see how anyone can deny that having a legitimate big man down the middle with high end skill is something that the Raps have never had (at least one that wasn't broken down).

Guys like Val aren't too common. Sure you can find some decent guys to throw in there, but the Raps haven't really had a player like Val before.

zeke
10-30-2012, 05:01 PM
I really don't even get what they're arguing. not sure they do, either.

leafman101
10-30-2012, 05:12 PM
I don't mean to take anything away from Camby. He was a good player, and he could play center. But he's a PF that you play in the middle because you don't have a legit center. We've had a bunch of guys like that. Camby, Davis, Willis. No Vals though.

zeke
10-30-2012, 08:16 PM
raps tv just showed "inside the draft" for the raps this year. pretty cool.

did a good job of making ross look good, too.

MyNameIsJonas
10-30-2012, 08:40 PM
rapstv goes above and beyond to make a raps top pick look good?

Deckie007
10-30-2012, 08:45 PM
ie: Rafael Arujo > Bill Russell

Well, if there is any that list proves, it's that your height, and only your height dictates your position. Standing reach and wingspan mean nothing in basketball. 7' and TRex arms >>>> 6'10" and huge wingspan.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-31-2012, 11:55 AM
Lakers are 0-9

Maybe the need to buy another superstar.

Adam101
10-31-2012, 12:00 PM
Andrea may not be in the lineup tonight, he has the flu

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-31-2012, 12:03 PM
Granger is out for Indy as well.

da_next_kid
10-31-2012, 12:30 PM
Holly MacKenzie ‏@stackmack
Andrea Bargnani will play tonight against the Pacers.

Hoss
10-31-2012, 12:45 PM
Granger's an injury I believe. With him out, hopefully teams can knock them down a little to help our spot in the standings.

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 03:50 PM
@WojYahooNBA: Toronto and DeMar DeRozan have made progress today in talks on a 4-year extension, but no deal yet in place, league sources tell Y! Sports

Hoping for no sticker shock here. Based on his production so far, not worth more then 7.5 per but I got a feeling he signs in that 8-9 range

MyNameIsJonas
10-31-2012, 04:04 PM
@WojYahooNBA: Toronto and DeMar DeRozan have made progress today in talks on a 4-year extension, but no deal yet in place, league sources tell Y! Sports

Hoping for no sticker shock here. Based on his production so far, not worth more then 7.5 per but I got a feeling he signs in that 8-9 range

I really dont like extending him now unless its great value, lets see if this kid is anything more than Desmond Mason.

da_next_kid
10-31-2012, 04:59 PM
http://i1064.photobucket.com/albums/u376/cteriamjhhh/BC.jpg

da_next_kid
10-31-2012, 05:22 PM
Marc J. Spears ‏@SpearsNBAYahoo
Warriors guard Stephen Curry lands four-year, $44 million contract extension, he tells Yahoo! Sports.

Montana
10-31-2012, 06:29 PM
Lakers are 0-9

Maybe the need to buy another superstar.


With the Heat infringing upon the Lakers rightful place as the Evil Empire of the NBA for a little while, it's nice to see the hate coming back.

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 07:15 PM
@SpearsNBAYahoo: Guard DeMar Derozan's contract extension with the Raptors is incentive based and close to $42 million, a source told Yahoo! Sports.

Wtf?!????

I really hope that thing is really incentive laden cause that is crazy money

drewser
10-31-2012, 07:38 PM
michaelgrange

The base compensation for DeRozan is $38-million for four years #NBA #Raptors

zeke
10-31-2012, 08:08 PM
Jonas with 6pts and 4reb (2off) in the first 9min of his NBA career.

poor da next kid.

zeke
10-31-2012, 08:09 PM
the raps 2nd unit is gonna win them some games.

Alfamale
10-31-2012, 08:20 PM
Rebound that ball barn-yawni

Alfamale
10-31-2012, 08:22 PM
... maybe play some d?

Jeremy
10-31-2012, 08:39 PM
TORONTO -- The Toronto Raptors have agreed on a contract extension with forward DeMar DeRozan ahead of Wednesday's midnight deadline.

According to sources, the 23-year-old from Compton, Calif., agreed to terms on a four-year deal worth $38 million.

http://www.tsn.ca/nba/story/?id=408568

zeke
10-31-2012, 08:48 PM
A bit sloppy, but a nice aggressive start from the whole team.

Interesting that Ross and Anderson are the swingmen on the 2nd unit, with Kleiza out of the rotation.

zeke
10-31-2012, 08:55 PM
Hibbert is teaching Jonas some lessons tonight.

zeke
10-31-2012, 08:56 PM
man, Bargs is having a block party all over West's head tonight.

drewser
10-31-2012, 08:57 PM
Loving JV...Fields is looking like an absolute plug though

zeke
10-31-2012, 08:58 PM
man it's nice to see the Raps being the ones to make the first 3rd quarter run for once.

JV's responding to the challenge well - they're trying their best to hammer down on him but he's not wilting.

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:02 PM
JV with the double double barely halfway through his first game, nice.

and DAMN, Bargs is a MAN tonight......i think playing pure PF and not having to bang all night with a guy like Hibbert is giving him some extra juice.

Jeremy
10-31-2012, 09:02 PM
10 pts/10 boards in 16 mins for Val. Sick shit.

Alfamale
10-31-2012, 09:03 PM
See i can't quite tell if a ballsack is slowly growing between the italiano's legs.

Preston_Mizzi
10-31-2012, 09:08 PM
Great stuff by JV. Pretty surprised at how much he has played and how many shots he has taken. But a great debut, nonetheless against a very tough matchup. Once he gets stronger he will be a great defender as well.

zeke, are you liking Lowry yet?

Deckie007
10-31-2012, 09:09 PM
Not quite yet. The Vag seems to be closing up, so we're halfway there. Impressed with JV, I think when he gets more comfortable with his teammates you'll see him throw down those ally oops instead of having to go back up with them. He's got soft hands.

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:17 PM
lowry is as good on the defensive end as advertised, that's for sure. he's everywhere back there.

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:18 PM
our 2nd unit rocks.

Hoss
10-31-2012, 09:25 PM
This is why I think keeping Jose is a must.... he runs that second unit like its our first.. (because last year and the year before it was pretty much our first unit)

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:30 PM
er...maybe not so awesome.

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:34 PM
I wonder who finishes the game at C....JV or Amir?

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 09:37 PM
Lowry is something else. Problem is when you play that hard your a 65-70 game a season player

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:43 PM
west is eating Bargs alive this quarter.

Preston_Mizzi
10-31-2012, 09:44 PM
Bargnani is a complete and utter liability tonight.

MyNameIsJonas
10-31-2012, 09:44 PM
im not watching....why does Alan Anderson have 18 mins?

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 09:46 PM
West is eating us lunch and dinner right now

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:49 PM
this is where lowry not being a true floor general hurts. the offensive selection this Q has been horrendous.

zeke
10-31-2012, 09:54 PM
ugh.

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 09:55 PM
Bahhh

Awful defence by Lowry there, how often do get a steal in that situation

Leafin'
10-31-2012, 09:58 PM
That was a huge disappointment.

MyNameIsJonas
10-31-2012, 09:59 PM
FIRE MIKE BROWN

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 09:59 PM
Gotta draw up something a little better then that Casey

Props to Indy though, hell of a 4th by them

Preston_Mizzi
10-31-2012, 10:01 PM
that hurt.

bargnani shot 4 for 15 today.. not the time to call a play for him. oh well. there were plenty of positives.

zeke
10-31-2012, 10:04 PM
hopefully that was just the Flu that made bargs suck tonight, especially at the end.

Preston_Mizzi
10-31-2012, 10:07 PM
im not watching....why does Alan Anderson have 18 mins?

Because he somehow outplayed our new $10 million man.

da_next_kid
10-31-2012, 10:19 PM
Overpaid Harden with 37 pts 12 assists.

Leafin'
10-31-2012, 10:20 PM
Bargnani looked like shit.

Italian basketball player...

CH1
10-31-2012, 10:28 PM
Anybody here like DeRozan? I'm trying but I'm finding it hard. (this has nothing to do with his contract extension)

Deckie007
10-31-2012, 10:34 PM
Not a huge fan. Problem is, SG is a very weak position in the NBA these days. PG seems to be the new glamour position.

Leafin'
10-31-2012, 10:50 PM
You could do worse than Derozan.

I really like Lowry though. Bull of a player.

MyNameIsJonas
10-31-2012, 10:58 PM
I wouldve just preferred to see DeRozan prove anything before we commit to him. Really hate it actually

zeke
10-31-2012, 11:00 PM
@iananywhere George Hill, who hit winner vs Raptors: "They brought it harder but we brought it longer"

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 11:22 PM
Sums it up quite well to be honest, that quote

Hey ugly, think you can ask your guy for some of the reasoning begin the Derozan extension?

zeke
10-31-2012, 11:24 PM
I'll try, but not sure how much he'll give me on that.

Fitzgerald#11
10-31-2012, 11:43 PM
Thanks

It's just baffling to me, you can match any offer next summer protecting yourself one does take the next step as a player

MyNameIsJonas
10-31-2012, 11:53 PM
he's making near CUrry and Lawson money...and isnt really close to either player...yet.

hotshot2003
11-01-2012, 01:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YQwfsxADqQE

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-01-2012, 01:25 PM
When told of his statistical output against the Pacers, Valanciunas sounded surprised.

“I did double-double?” he said.

“Great. But it’s important that our team win. Today team lose, so was not enough, double-double. Maybe I need to have a triple-double.”

CaptainBolduke
11-01-2012, 03:26 PM
He got a double-double but his shooting percentage wasn't good at all.

Aberdeen
11-01-2012, 03:47 PM
He got a double-double but his shooting percentage wasn't good at all.

40% isn't great but not exactly noteworthy.

MyNameIsJonas
11-01-2012, 03:53 PM
He got a double-double but his shooting percentage wasn't good at all.


Your posting percentage is not good at all

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-01-2012, 05:03 PM
Val missed a few tap-ins off rebounds which hurt his %. But his shot selection was real good. He didn't force anything offensively.

If you're going to nitpick, sure, his shooting % wasn't all that great. But in the big picture, for a rookie 20 year C in his 1st NBA game, his performance was damn good.

zeke
11-01-2012, 05:17 PM
I was actually impressed with his outside shooting. He nailed a couple of long jumpers, and looked good doing it.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-01-2012, 05:23 PM
Andre Drummond had 2 pts and 2 rebs in his debut.

Not easy being a rookie bigman

Alfamale
11-01-2012, 05:50 PM
I was actually impressed with his outside shooting. He nailed a couple of long jumpers, and looked good doing it.

I thought his form changed from shot to shot.

Deckie007
11-01-2012, 07:43 PM
Andre Drummond had 2 pts and 2 rebs in his debut.

Not easy being a rookie bigman

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