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MindzEye
04-15-2014, 01:57 PM
So yeah i hope casey "rests" all the starters tommorrow.

I wouldn't flat out sit them unless they had nagging injuries to heal up before the 19th, but my bench would definitely get more burn than usual tomorrow.

trujaysfan
04-15-2014, 02:00 PM
I expect the starters to be used like they were last night... maybe a little less even.

BTW the crowd at last nights game was very good considering it was a monday night...

JaysCyYoung
04-15-2014, 03:27 PM
Wasn't sure where else to put this. Got one of my first exposures to RealGM in the past couple of days and man is some of the material funny:

http://i.imgur.com/wK99J7d.gif

MindzEye
04-15-2014, 03:43 PM
RealGM is a solid board. I used to post over there during the Smitch/Bosh "mo shats" days.

JaysCyYoung
04-15-2014, 04:09 PM
RealGM is a solid board. I used to post over there during the Smitch/Bosh "mo shats" days.

I just remember that infamous Rasho "Let's NBA!" comic people used to post all over the internet that apparently originated on the site:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_HiPwtMhw52c/SFLfPjQvUnI/AAAAAAAAAEQ/Jb6zQv6ABXA/s1600/Page_2.jpg

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 06:00 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlS3Nz9CYAA4QLp.jpg

Deckie007
04-15-2014, 06:16 PM
RealGM is a solid board. I used to post over there during the Smitch/Bosh "mo shats" days.

The signal to noise ratio there is not so good though. Lots of good posters, many more shite ones.

MindzEye
04-15-2014, 06:19 PM
The signal to noise ratio there is not so good though. Lots of good posters, many more shite ones.

and that's why I "used" to post there.

Deckie007
04-15-2014, 06:20 PM
and that's why I "used" to post there.

One less shite poster eh.

MindzEye
04-15-2014, 06:24 PM
One less shite poster eh.

If you're not part of the solution....

Preston_Mizzi
04-15-2014, 06:54 PM
Brian Windhorst ✔ @WindhorstESPN
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Heat accepting No. 2 seed a strategic decision. LeBron & Bosh needed rest + they're 8-0 vs. CHA & TOR but 4-8 vs. BKN, CHI & IND.

Brian Windhorst ✔ @WindhorstESPN
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Heat shut down to get No. 2 seed & now Nets putting No. 6 in play by maybe sitting 6 rotation players. Talk about respect for the Raptors


Unreal. NBGAY

Jeremy
04-15-2014, 07:06 PM
Raptors have most expensive playoff ticket prices on resale market: report

Read more: http://www.cp24.com/sports/raptors-have-most-expensive-playoff-ticket-prices-on-resale-market-report-1.1776602#ixzz2z0256AiO

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 07:09 PM
And people wonder why MLSE raises ticket prices...

Hoss
04-15-2014, 08:58 PM
Brian Windhorst ✔ @WindhorstESPN
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Heat accepting No. 2 seed a strategic decision. LeBron & Bosh needed rest + they're 8-0 vs. CHA & TOR but 4-8 vs. BKN, CHI & IND.

Brian Windhorst ✔ @WindhorstESPN
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Heat shut down to get No. 2 seed & now Nets putting No. 6 in play by maybe sitting 6 rotation players. Talk about respect for the Raptors


Unreal. NBGAY


So Brooklyn is trying to lose the last two games of the season and hoping Washington wins their last game so that they go into 6th and play the raps.

It really wouldn't surprise me of Kidd, Garnett et al. Pathetic.

Leafin'
04-15-2014, 08:59 PM
just snagged a pair tickets to game 1. cant wait!

MindzEye
04-15-2014, 09:33 PM
So Brooklyn is trying to lose the last two games of the season and hoping Washington wins their last game so that they go into 6th and play the raps.

It really wouldn't surprise me of Kidd, Garnett et al. Pathetic.


Be careful what you wish for. Raps in 6

soco22
04-15-2014, 09:34 PM
Stupid as they don't know who is 3rd/4th seeds yet..

Deckie007
04-15-2014, 09:55 PM
just snagged a pair tickets to game 1. cant wait!

Not bad for a team that should have been blown up, eh?

trujaysfan
04-15-2014, 10:01 PM
And people wonder why MLSE raises ticket prices...

If MLSE wanted to fix the problem and get rid of the scalpers they would.... Instead they use it as an excuse to raise all ticket prices

The Green Hornet
04-15-2014, 10:06 PM
the big concern i have if we play Brooklyn is we are going to get shafted by the refs

axlsalinger
04-15-2014, 10:06 PM
If MLSE wanted to fix the problem and get rid of the scalpers they would.... Instead they use it as an excuse to raise all ticket prices

Scalpers gonna scalp. There's only so much they can do about it. And with the recent growth of online ticket brokers, almost nothing.

trujaysfan
04-15-2014, 10:07 PM
Scalpers gonna scalp. There's only so much they can do about it. And with the recent growth of online ticket brokers, almost nothing.

plenty they can do but they choose not to...

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 10:08 PM
Just be thankful they don't raise ticket prices 200%.

trujaysfan
04-15-2014, 10:12 PM
Just be thankful they don't raise ticket prices 200%.

true only a slight (9% i think) raise on leafs tickets but you didn't have to buy preseason games this year.

Leafin'
04-15-2014, 10:17 PM
Not bad for a team that should have been blown up, eh?

:couch

Deckie007
04-15-2014, 10:19 PM
In all honestly, I'm jealous. Can't bring myself to plunk down the coin needed for playoff tickets. Enjoy yourself.

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 10:21 PM
I won tickets to a Marlies playoff game...different atmosphere but still playoffs.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 12:32 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ2gBjAMPFc

CTheBigPicture
04-16-2014, 06:59 AM
I've lurked realGM for a looooooong time. Too much noise to get involved for me. They are a hostile crowd too, especially towards new members.

The sheer number of people on there makes it hard to navigate the site too. Before you know it a thread is 20 pages long with just a handful of posts with any insights.

Killer93
04-16-2014, 08:13 AM
Man NBGay is right, teams that are purposely sitting players should be fined and forfeit their draft picks

mbow30
04-16-2014, 09:06 AM
Man NBGay is right, teams that are purposely sitting players should be fined and forfeit their draft picks

what the nets did last night might have been even worse (dress everybody and not try).

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:17 AM
what the nets did last night might have been even worse (dress everybody and not try).

All they're doing is creating extra motivation for who they run into in the first round.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 11:37 AM
The funny thing is that the likelihood right now is still that the Raptors don't play New Jersey and if Chicago and the Nets match up together I'm going to LOL hard. Enjoy two ancient rosters beating the shit out of one another for seven games.

Unsportsmanlike pricks.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 11:48 AM
I'm hoping that the Nets get the Bulls 1st round. Garnett is going to need a hospital bed after dealing with Noah for 4-7 games.

MyNameIsJonas
04-16-2014, 11:53 AM
We probably need to lose to the Knicks tonight in order for Brooklyn to get the Bulls.

LeafGm
04-16-2014, 12:09 PM
Just win, and let everything else sort itself out.

zeke
04-16-2014, 12:15 PM
We better lose tonight.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 12:25 PM
As soon as you start hoping your team loses, you suck as a fan.

zeke
04-16-2014, 12:41 PM
Tank.gif

zeke
04-16-2014, 12:54 PM
Apparently nobody's sitting tonight. Dang.

Hope their minutes are limited, at least.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 12:54 PM
As soon as you start hoping your team loses, you suck as a fan.

So much of this.

Just win.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 12:57 PM
We probably need to lose to the Knicks tonight in order for Brooklyn to get the Bulls.

A Nets win or a Washington loss is all that will take.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 01:01 PM
If Toronto beats the New York Knicks in Madison Square Garden or Chicago loses to the Charlotte Bobcats, the Raptors get the No. 3 seed. However, if the Raptors lose and the Bulls win Wednesday, all of a sudden Chicago is the No. 3 seed, and Miami may have a tougher matchup in the second round.


As for the No. 5 seed, it will be filled by the Brooklyn Nets as long as they beat the Cleveland Cavaliers Wednesday or the Washington Wizards lose to the Boston Celtics. However, if the Wizards beat Boston and the Cavaliers beat Brooklyn, then Washington would get the No. 5 seed.

And there you have it...

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 01:13 PM
Someone want to 'splain to me why the Bulls are a tougher matchup than the Raps? The Raps were 6-12 at the time of the Gay trade and 42-21 since. That's a 82 game pace of 55-27 record. Currently Indiana leads the conference with 55 wins, and 1 game remaining, and the Heat have 54 with 1 game remaining. Everyone wants to line up to play the Raptors and they've been as good as the 2 elite teams in the conference since this group was put together.

Since the Gay trade:

2-1 vs Indy
0-2 vs Miami
2-1 vs Chicago
2-1 vs Brooklyn
2-1 vs Washington
0-2 vs Charlotte
2-1 vs Atlanta


Be mother****ing careful what you wish for.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 01:16 PM
Its "Toronto" not a real team, or some such bullshit.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 01:19 PM
Another fun fact?

Since the Gay trade, the Raptors are 5-9 against the teams in the league that finished with 50 wins or more. 37-12 against everyone else....why does Brooklyn want a piece of this again?

The mid level teams, 40-49 game winners: 11-6 record.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 01:23 PM
Hey if those mother****ers want the team with the best record in the Eastern Conference for most of the season and the best road record, bring it on. This team post-Gay was on a 55 win pace and had they traded him at the start of the year they very well could have won that many games.

PKForce81
04-16-2014, 01:38 PM
Nets are a weird team. They are 4-0 against Heat, 2-2 vs Raptors but 0-4 vs Indiana. They have quite a few cocky guys though so against some of the lower teams they just play like it doesn't matter what kind of decisions they make(Williams can be very selfish). It'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't pay as much attention to NBA but it seems young, athletic teams give Nets a lot more problems.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 01:40 PM
The Nets are mostly old, but they have an arrogance because most played for those old Boston teams.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 01:43 PM
Garnett is garbage now (under 7 PPG and barely over 20 MPG this year), but Pierce still scares me because the Raptors don't really have anyone that can match up against him defensively.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 01:44 PM
Nets are a weird team. They are 4-0 against Heat, 2-2 vs Raptors but 0-4 vs Indiana. They have quite a few cocky guys though so against some of the lower teams they just play like it doesn't matter what kind of decisions they make(Williams can be very selfish). It'll be interesting to see what happens. I don't pay as much attention to NBA but it seems young, athletic teams give Nets a lot more problems.

one of the Nets wins vs the Raptors was during the Gay Era. Since the Gay Era ended, the Raps are 2-1 with a +13 against them

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 01:46 PM
Yeah, if the Nets didn't have Pierce I wouldn't be worried about them at all. But they'd be out of the playoffs without him....

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 01:47 PM
The only thing that scares me about the Nets is that they have a rotation deep enough to keep games against us close, and that Paul Pierce **** is still money in the clutch.

The key to the series is going to be physically abusing Pierce and Garnett. Make D-Will, Joe Johnson, etc have to beat us. I'd actually like to see the first 2 games go to 2OT. Even if we just split the two games, if Pierce and Garnett play 45-50 minutes in a loss, that's huuuge.

Wayward DP
04-16-2014, 02:04 PM
Yeah, Pierce scares the shit out of me. But still, I like our odds regardless of our first round match up.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 02:08 PM
Yeah, Pierce scares the shit out of me. But still, I like our odds regardless of our first round match up.

I was praying that Brooklyn would suck all year so that we could trade for Pierce. He's exactly what we need to take on a legit contender in a 7 game series.

Wayward DP
04-16-2014, 02:10 PM
I was praying that Brooklyn would suck all year so that we could trade for Pierce. He's exactly what we need to take on a legit contender in a 7 game series.

Yup. My hope is that he's old enough that his body just can't stand up to the rigours of a 7-game series. Looks like Garnett's already pretty diminished, would be great if Pierce caught up to him. There was a point in time where D-Will would have scared me too, but I like the match up against Lowry. I have a feeling Lowry's going to be pretty special in the playoffs.

CTheBigPicture
04-16-2014, 02:16 PM
Broadcast Update: ‪#‎Raptors‬ @ Knicks moves from Sportsnet One to Sportsnet tonight at 8 PM ET

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 02:27 PM
Yup. My hope is that he's old enough that his body just can't stand up to the rigours of a 7-game series. Looks like Garnett's already pretty diminished, would be great if Pierce caught up to him. There was a point in time where D-Will would have scared me too, but I like the match up against Lowry. I have a feeling Lowry's going to be pretty special in the playoffs.

Garnett is done. I'm not sure of his contract situation, but if he's a FA, I can see him just hanging them up. He's got nothing left to prove and he's almost 38. 25000+ points, 14200 rebounds, 5300 assists, 2000+ blocks. 188.5 career win shares. That's 8th all time FFS.

15 all star game selections
1 NBA MVP
1 NBA Defensive Player of the Year
4 NBA 1st team selections
3 NBA 2nd team selections
9 NBA All Defensive 1st team selections
Top 10 all time in total rebounding
Top 50 in assists....seriously, ****ing assists

But he's a shell of his former self, a shell of the shell of his former self now. It's like watching Shaq play for Phoenix at this point.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 02:45 PM
Wasn't Shaq 3rd Team All-NBA in Phoenix?

I'd say more like Shaq in Cleveland or Boston (shudders).

zeke
04-16-2014, 02:53 PM
The only thing to worry about in a brooklyn series would be the refs.

Nba obviously would want the NYC team to advance, not that team from canada.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 02:55 PM
Wasn't Shaq 3rd Team All-NBA in Phoenix?

I'd say more like Shaq in Cleveland or Boston (shudders).

yeah, point taken. Was tough watching him late in his career at any of the spots, being a big diesel fan.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 02:58 PM
Let's be honest, although he was still an upper-end player, seeing MJ in those Wizards unis was tough to watch at the end of his career. Should have returned to Chicago if anything.

Hoss
04-16-2014, 02:59 PM
I was listening to some analysts and they say that the Nets have had Pierce playing the 4 for alot of the year, and that he hates it because he is getting banged up alot. They then mentioned that playing him against Amir would be great for the Raps as he won't beat him on the boards and Amir can play him tough inside.

Also let Hainsbrough just get at Garnett and Pierce if they get inside.... that'll learn em.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 03:18 PM
Let's be honest, although he was still an upper-end player, seeing MJ in those Wizards unis was tough to watch at the end of his career. Should have returned to Chicago if anything.

Scoring 20ppg at the age of 40 is one of the most impressive thing I've ever seen in sports. It's up there with Gordie Howe's 103 point season as a 40 yr old, Barry Bonds putting up an aided 1.045 OPS at 42....


especially in such an athletically demanding sport like basketball. It's ridiculously hard for anyone over 33-34 to stick around. If Jordan had the mentality to ever be a "team" guy and did the same thing over great players (Ray Allen, etc, etc) did in their golden ages and stuck around playing quality bench minutes, he probably could have contributed into his early 40's and still been a quality rotation player on contending clubs. Jordan was still a ~20.0 PER player at 39-40 yrs old, playing 35+ minutes a night.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 03:19 PM
I was listening to some analysts and they say that the Nets have had Pierce playing the 4 for alot of the year, and that he hates it because he is getting banged up alot. They then mentioned that playing him against Amir would be great for the Raps as he won't beat him on the boards and Amir can play him tough inside.

Also let Hainsbrough just get at Garnett and Pierce if they get inside.... that'll learn em.

Yeah, I send White Oak at both of them constantly. 6 good fouls baby, 6 good fouls.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 06:03 PM
Doug Smith
NBA confirms Raptors will open Saturday at home, ESPN to show in US. No other details available right now

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 08:06 PM
Eric Koreen
#TakeThat RT @HowardBeck: Only seems appropriate that this disastrous Knicks season ends with Masai Ujiri in the house.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 08:10 PM
http://i.imgur.com/3ZJkePE.jpg

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:14 PM
Take the starters out of the game already. This is ugly sloppy meaningless basketball and somebody's gonna get hurt.

CTheBigPicture
04-16-2014, 08:32 PM
Unbelievable. End of 1Q, total minutes played by KG, Williams, Johnson, Pierce = haven't played a minute!

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 08:33 PM
Brooklyn actively cheating against Cleveland.

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:33 PM
I'd do the same if i were coaching them. That team is going to struggle to survive one series, let alone a playoff run.

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:36 PM
Bulls take the lead to end the 3rd.

Now just pull your starters, casey.

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:45 PM
Dammit our bench is too fricken awesome. ****.

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:45 PM
Gimme some byucks, stone, and fields, casey!!

Preston_Mizzi
04-16-2014, 08:47 PM
Looks like the path is Nets and then Heat.

Pretty much the worst case scenario.

Hoss
04-16-2014, 08:50 PM
I just hate how Brooklyn is doing this because they are showing the raps no respect and they know the effing refs will give them every call. My hate for Garnett and Pierce grows stronger every day.. .oh and Kidd... always hated that loser MFer.

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:53 PM
Brooklyn is tied in their game right now.

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:55 PM
CHI 78
CHA 75

2:58 left

zeke
04-16-2014, 08:59 PM
BKN 49
CLE 51

halftime

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:01 PM
What's the BKN - WSH - CHA tiebreaker sitchy again?

Deckie007
04-16-2014, 09:02 PM
A lot of whining in the past few pages for fans of a team that hasn't made the playoffs in forever.

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:02 PM
WSH 68
BOS 56

halftime

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:06 PM
Bulls and bobcats going to OT

Hoss
04-16-2014, 09:06 PM
Is tonight everyone's last game?? or do we have to see some results tomorrow??

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:07 PM
What's the BKN - WSH - CHA tiebreaker sitchy again?

Washington has it over Brooklyn, Charlotte has it over Washington.

I want Brooklyn before I want Charlotte.

Charlotte is big under the rim, and athletic on the wing with a few guys already developing reputations as big shot makers.

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:10 PM
Yeah we never seem to be able to stop jefferson.

Really though all three of those teams are similarly good. Don't really care which one we play.

Just wanted to avoid miami. Ah well.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 09:13 PM
To be the man, you gotta beat the man, WOOOO

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 09:17 PM
I'd like to get the most playoff experience possible, and then get beat by "the man(heat)" in the ECF.

Hoss
04-16-2014, 09:17 PM
I seems like this may be the best choice here... if you are playing the match up game


The raps will play the Wiz if...
- They finish in fourth AND the Wizards win (at the Celtics) AND the Nets lose (at the Cavaliers)

Hoss
04-16-2014, 09:20 PM
scratch that as it looks like Charlotte may beat the bulls..

Here is the possibility that I don't want too much


The Raptors face the Charlotte Bobcats IF:

- They finish in third AND the Bobcats win (at home against the Bulls) AND the Wizards lose (at the Celtics)

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:20 PM
I seems like this may be the best choice here... if you are playing the match up game

We're not finishing 4th. We need to lose this game against an uninterested Knicks team and the Bulls need to pull out their OT game.

Hoss
04-16-2014, 09:22 PM
The raps could choose to lose if they wish, but your right they keep the 3rd seed because of the bulls loss... got ya

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:24 PM
Damn the raps start tanking finally....but the bulls fall behind and look like losing. Crap.

Hoss
04-16-2014, 09:24 PM
We gotta see what the Wiz do?? if they choose to come out and drop a ten point lead then I'll know they are in on the fix

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:25 PM
The raps could choose to lose if they wish, but your right they keep the 3rd seed because of the bulls loss... got ya


Raps won't. Casey won't let them get lazy down the stretch here. Raps stopped playing for the last 4-5 minutes, and even the uninterested Knicks have made a game of it. Casey is currently tearing a strip off of his club in a time out. He'll hit the rest button on their focus and they'll cruise to a win.

Lazy becomes habitual. Losing becomes habitual.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:25 PM
Damn the raps start tanking finally....but the bulls fall behind and look like losing. Crap.

Ur a fag.

Hoss
04-16-2014, 09:27 PM
a Wiz win and a Nets loss gets the Raps vs Brooklyn

A wiz loss and a nets loss and we play the Wiz.

( I hate brooklyn)

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:28 PM
Nah, the heat are fags for not finishing first like they should have.

They screwed it all up.

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:29 PM
The wiz are just as tough a matchup anyways.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:29 PM
Lost in this strategic "tank" is that Brooklyn is about to enter the playoffs on a 1-4 slide. Raps take care of business at home and the Nets are looking like they're in a full blown slump.

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:30 PM
Bulls lose.

Might as well pound the crap outta the knicks now.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:30 PM
Nah, the heat are fags for not finishing first like they should have.

They screwed it all up.

Raps have been as good as any team in the east since the end of the Gay Era....this is a team good enough to scare the shit out of anyone, Miami included. Gotta beat Miami to make the finals, 2nd or 3rd round, **** it. You've gotta win basketball games to get it done.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 09:30 PM
Eric Koreen
Bulls lose. Raptors are your third seed.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:31 PM
Bulls lose.

Might as well pound the crap outta the knicks now.

Oh, so winning is cool again?

Fag.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 09:33 PM
Eric Koreen
Whoops! Raps cannot play Wizards now. If Wizards lose, they fall to 7, play Heat. Raptors would play Bobcats.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 09:35 PM
Eric Koreen
Ignore that. Wiz win + Nets win = Raps vs. Wiz. Wiz loss + Nets win = Raps vs. Bobs. Wiz win + Nets loss= Raps vs. Bobs

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:35 PM
Wizards are up 12, Nets down their dignity.

Looking like it's going to be Wiz-Nets-Bobcats in the 5-7

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:37 PM
Gimme thr nets.

Big nyc spotlight on us in the first round, those old fuks can't stay with us a whole series, will be beautiful.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:39 PM
nice of you to find your marbles....get your big boy pants on, it's going to be a slow paced, true playoff grind of a series.

Hoss
04-16-2014, 09:40 PM
Eric Koreen
Ignore that. Wiz win + Nets win = Raps vs. Wiz. Wiz loss + Nets win = Raps vs. Bobs. Wiz win + Nets loss= Raps vs. Bobs

I have this info??

Raps play nets if
- They finish in third AND the Nets lose (at the Cavaliers) AND the Wizards win (at the Celtics)

zeke
04-16-2014, 09:40 PM
Marbles?

We can't beat the heat.

I've never cared who we face first round.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:41 PM
We can beat the Heat.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 09:43 PM
http://www.newworldorderwar.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/obama-yes-we-can_04-nov-08.jpg

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:49 PM
Buycks is useless

zeke
04-16-2014, 10:02 PM
Come get your whuppin', crooklyn.


Drake >> JayZ

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:08 PM
Come get your whuppin', crooklyn.


Drake >> JayZ

They're actually in the middle of a subtle rap beef over the last 6 months....

CTheBigPicture
04-16-2014, 10:16 PM
They're actually in the middle of a subtle rap beef over the last 6 months....

is there ANY subject matter that you have no clue about? It takes a lot of effort to be up to date like this haha

Deckie007
04-16-2014, 10:23 PM
is there ANY subject matter that you have no clue about? It takes a lot of effort to be up to date like this haha

Mindz knows everything about everything. That's what makes him such a sparkling conversationalist. Ask him about thorium nuclear power.

CTheBigPicture
04-16-2014, 10:24 PM
Mindz knows everything about everything. That's what makes him such a sparkling conversationalist. Ask him about thorium nuclear power.

ok. Mindz, tell me a little about thorium nuclear power.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:25 PM
is there ANY subject matter that you have no clue about? It takes a lot of effort to be up to date like this haha

Ornithology isn't my strong suit.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 10:26 PM
Get your notepad and prepare for street knowledge.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:26 PM
However this ends, the Raps were lackadaisical and shit

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 10:28 PM
THe most interesting man in the world...

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:32 PM
ok. Mindz, tell me a little about thorium nuclear power.

What do you want to know? It's historic roots in the US military program at Oak Ridge? The mechanical workings of a LFTR? How the Chinese are beating the world's pants off in funding for research and implementation? Or thorium itself...it's nuclear properties, the difficulty in turning it into a bomb (need moar neutrons), it's superiority to U-235 for safety, etc?

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:33 PM
THe most interesting man in the world...

Nah, just interesting.

MyNameIsJonas
04-16-2014, 10:33 PM
I've been the most interested man in Mindz for a while now....

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:34 PM
well that was a weak, gay way to close out the regular season.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:34 PM
I've been the most interested man in Mindz for a while now....

such a gay little bastard

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 10:34 PM
Can you write my essay on the tourist gaze?

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 10:38 PM
Can you write my essay on the tourist gaze?

Sounds a lot like ornithology to me bro

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 10:56 PM
Rod Boone
Blatche on Raps: "[Terrence] Ross asked for this so first of all they’ve got to back up their words. We’re going to go home, get prepared."

Hahahaha

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 10:58 PM
i hope we sweep them.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:10 PM
Sounds a lot like ornithology to me bro

Basically taking monuments of significant spiritual value and turning them into a commodity for tourists from Arkansas.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:13 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BlZHp9jCMAAzOTz.jpg

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:16 PM
Sounds like the 1st game will be Saturday at 12:30pm.

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 11:18 PM
Garbage. Was hoping to not be downtown that early.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:36 PM
Eric Koreen
Raps sked: SAT, TUE, FRI, SUN, WED, FRI, SUN

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:53 PM
Raptors could be on TSN or TSN 2...if its the latter I'll be a little bit pissed, because not everyone has TSN 2.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 12:02 AM
the 2 day break between games in the NBA is hella gay.

Metalleaf
04-17-2014, 12:13 AM
Helps the old guys.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 12:23 AM
very stupid.

Wayward DP
04-17-2014, 08:47 AM
Oh man, I really hope we kick the shit out of the Nets now.

Really excited to see what Hansborough can do for us. Six good fouls a game.

And as long as we physically beat down Pierce, we can take them.

Wayward DP
04-17-2014, 08:48 AM
Oh, and that was a pretty gay performance during the game zeke.

Just ****ing win. Gonna have to go through the Heat if we wanna make the dance.

MindzEye
04-17-2014, 09:36 AM
Eric Koreen
Raps sked: SAT, TUE, FRI, SUN, WED, FRI, SUN

That's a very Nets friendly schedule with 2 days off between the games 1&2, 2&3, 4&5

MindzEye
04-17-2014, 09:37 AM
Oh, and that was a pretty gay performance during the game zeke.

Just ****ing win. Gonna have to go through the Heat if we wanna make the dance.


Cheering for a loss is hella gay

Hoss
04-17-2014, 09:44 AM
That's a very Nets friendly schedule with 2 days off between the games 1&2, 2&3, 4&5

Absolutely.... there's the league already making their presence felt. FFS

Deckie007
04-17-2014, 10:23 AM
The 1st round always takes forever to play...league always stretches it out to ensure minimum overlap.

Hoss
04-17-2014, 10:30 AM
It's best of 5 isn't in the NBA's first round?? Another reason NBGay... these guys can't play that many playoff games.

MindzEye
04-17-2014, 10:50 AM
It's best of 5 isn't in the NBA's first round?? Another reason NBGay... these guys can't play that many playoff games.

NBA has been best of 7 in the 1st round for about 10 years now I think. Used to be best of 5.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 10:55 AM
I can live with it if the Raps lose to the Nets because they are better, my fear is though at least 2 times we will lose games because of officiating.

Deckie007
04-17-2014, 11:00 AM
It's best of 5 isn't in the NBA's first round?? Another reason NBGay... these guys can't play that many playoff games.

Do you...ever...watch...games?

JaysCyYoung
04-17-2014, 11:08 AM
I can live with it if the Raps lose to the Nets because they are better, my fear is though at least 2 times we will lose games because of officiating.

The Raptors are a better team than Brooklyn though, so barring a complete and utter collapse they should win on merit. The officials cheating does scare me though as the NBA has a long history of rigging games.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 11:15 AM
The Raps are made for the playoffs. Whoever plays them will have a miserable time.

And I bet its not lost on them that the Nets begged for it.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 02:48 PM
James Mirtle
Raptors gearing up for playoffs: They're installing huge bleachers in Maple Leaf Square for fans outside

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Blcdeg7IgAAJ8nW.jpg:large

MindzEye
04-17-2014, 02:50 PM
Ya don't say...I might have to throw my Derozan jersey on and head down.

Deckie007
04-17-2014, 02:52 PM
Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. I'm down for that. First round's on me boys!

Metalleaf
04-17-2014, 03:07 PM
Time to dust off my VC jersey.

CaptainBolduke
04-17-2014, 03:33 PM
The Raptors are a better team than Brooklyn though, so barring a complete and utter collapse they should win on merit. The officials cheating does scare me though as the NBA has a long history of rigging games.

Let's not get silly here. I agree the Raps are better, but it wouldn't be a "utter collapse" if they lost. The Nets don't suck for a East team.

zeke
04-17-2014, 03:35 PM
Oh, and that was a pretty gay performance during the game zeke.

Just ****ing win. Gonna have to go through the Heat if we wanna make the dance.

Meh. I've been dying for a pacers matchup all year long. We would crush them,

zeke
04-17-2014, 03:37 PM
Yeah, raps are favorites, but hardly overwhelming.

The only major upsets available in the east are atl beating indy, and anyone beating miami.

JaysCyYoung
04-17-2014, 03:38 PM
It would never happen but how hilarious would it be if Atlanta somehow defeated the Heat?

zeke
04-17-2014, 03:40 PM
And a legit playoff run is huge for this offseason - both in signing lowry and in attracting other free agents...and in encouraging the raps to head into luxury tax territory.

ECF finals would guarantee an aggressive offseason - getting crushed in the 2nd round might not.

zeke
04-17-2014, 04:12 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA Apr 17
In an NBA first, the referee crew for the Raptors-Nets series have already called 8 fouls against the Raptors 2 days before the game.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA Apr 17
Anonymous NBA exec has informed me that Amir Johnson is expected to foul out before tip-off.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA Apr 17
In unrelated news, ESPN has already received the dates for the Heat-Nets series from the league office.

MindzEye
04-17-2014, 04:23 PM
Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA Apr 17
In an NBA first, the referee crew for the Raptors-Nets series have already called 8 fouls against the Raptors 2 days before the game.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA Apr 17
Anonymous NBA exec has informed me that Amir Johnson is expected to foul out before tip-off.


Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA Apr 17
In unrelated news, ESPN has already received the dates for the Heat-Nets series from the league office.

Raptors are going to spoil the party.

Deckie007
04-17-2014, 04:34 PM
Tix for game 1 down to $155 on Stubhub! Who's going?

zeke
04-18-2014, 06:04 PM
Hard to tell what the Nets are going to do with their starting lineup. They've been going mostly with a small lineup with only one big, but injuries and "rest" have made it hard to tell exactly what they're planning on doing.

Here's the lineups matched up as best I could based on their actual roles on the team, even though the starting lineup will likely look different:



C Jonas V (21): 28.2mpg, 11.3ppg (53.1/00.0/76.0), 8.8rpg, 0.7apg/1.7to, 0.9blk, 0.3stl, 3.1pf, 16.2per
C A.Blatche (27): 22.2mpg, 11.2ppg (47.6/27.8/74.0), 5.3rpg, 1.5apg/1.5to, 0.5blk, 1.0stl, 2.3pf, 18.8per

PF A.Johnson (26): 28.8mpg, 10.4ppg (56.2/30.3/64.0), 6.6rpg, 1.5apg/1.6to, 1.1blk, 0.7stl, 3.5pf, 15.4per
PF K.Garnett (37): 20.5mpg, 6.5ppg (44.1/00.0/81.0), 6.6rpg, 1.5apg/1.3to, 0.7blk, 0.8stl, 2.3pf, 13.3per

SF T.Ross (22): 26.7mpg, 10.9ppg (42.3/39.5/84.0), 3.1rpg, 1.0apg/1.1to, 0.3blk, 0.8stl, 2.3pf, 12.1per
SF P.Pierce (35): 28.0mpg, 13.5ppg (45.1/37.3/83.0), 4.6rpg, 2.4apg/2.0to, 0.4blk, 1.2stl, 2.5pf, 16.8per

SG D.Derozan (24): 38.2mpg, 22.7ppg (42.9/30.5/82.0), 4.3rpg, 4.0apg/2.2to, 0.4blk, 1.1stl, 2.5pf, 18.4per
SG J.Johnson (32): 32.6mpg, 15.8ppg (45.5/40.1/82.0), 3.4rpg, 2.7apg/1.5to, 0.1blk, 0.6stl, 1.6pf, 15.5per

PG K.Lowry (27): 36.2mpg, 17.9ppg (42.3/38.0/81.0), 4.7rpg, 7.4apg/2.5to, 0.2blk, 1.5stl, 3.4pf, 20.2per
PG D.Williams (29): 32.3mpg, 14.3ppg (45.0/36.6/80.0), 2.6rpg, 6.1apg/2.2to, 0.2blk, 1.5stl, 2.3pf, 17.7per



C T.Hansbro (28): 15.3mpg, 4.9ppg (47.4/00.0/68.0), 4.5rpg, 0.3apg/0.7to, 0.3blk, 0.4stl, 2.1pf, 14.2per
C M.Plumlee (23): 18.2mpg, 7.4ppg (65.9/00.0/63.0), 4.4rpg, 0.9apg/1.1to, 0.8blk, 0.7stl, 2.4pf, 19.1per

PF P.Patterson (24): 23.3mpg, 9.1ppg (47.7/41.1/75.0), 5.1rpg, 1.3apg/1.0to, 0.7blk, 0.9stl, 2.5pf, 16.3per
PF M.Teletovic (28): 19.4mpg, 8.6ppg (41.8/39.0/71.0), 3.7rpg, 0.8apg/0.8to, 0.3blk, 0.4stl, 2.0pf, 14.4per

SF J.Salmons (34): 21.4mpg, 5.0ppg (36.8/38.8/73.0), 2.0rpg, 1.7apg/0.7to, 0.2blk, 0.6stl, 1.5pf, 7.5per
SF A.Anderson (31): 22.7mpg, 7.2ppg (40.0/33.9/78.0), 2.2rpg, 1.0apg/0.8to, 0.1blk, 0.6stl, 1.9pf, 9.5per

SG N.DeColo (26): 9.2mpg, 3.1ppg (36.7/36.4/100.0), 1.3rpg, 1.6apg/0.7to, 0.1blk, 0.3stl, 1.1pf, 13.0per
SG M.Thornton (26): 23.8mpg, 12.3ppg (41.4/38.0/80.0), 2.8rpg, 1.2apg/1.1to, 0.1blk, 1.0stl, 1.4pf, 16.2per

PG J.Vazquez (26): 21.5mpg, 9.5ppg (41.7/38.9/86.0), 2.3rpg, 3.7apg/1.7to, 0.1blk, 0.4stl, 1.7pf, 14.2per
PG S.Livingston (28): 26.0mpg, 8.3ppg (48.3/16.7/83.0), 3.2rpg, 3.2apg/1.4to, 0.4blk, 1.2stl, 2.3pf, 14.5per



F C.Hayes (30): 12.8mpg, 2.2ppg (42.9/00.0/83.0), 3.6rpg, 0.6apg/0.6to, 0.2blk, 0.5stl, 1.7pf, 9.6per
F A.Kirilenko (32): 19.0mpg, 5.0ppg (51.3/20.0/51.0), 3.2rpg, 1.6apg/1.2to, 0.4blk, 0.9stl, 1.4pf, 12.5per

F S.Novak (30): 10.0mpg, 3.3ppg (41.1/42.6/100.0), 1.1rpg, 0.2apg/0.1to, 0.1blk, 0.2stl, 0.8pg, 11.1per
G J.Terry (36): 16.3mpg, 4.5ppg (36.2/37.9/67.0), 1.1rpg, 1.6apg/0.8to, 0.0blk, 0.4stl, 7.5per

Jeremy
04-18-2014, 06:43 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PL6ndzuHRRemCoWlHpAZvAmlI0MDZQ2r15&v=Uo64QJUSs-w

da_next_kid
04-18-2014, 08:34 PM
Nets start Livingston along with Deron, JJ, Pierce, and KG/Blatche.

Jeremy
04-18-2014, 10:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1X2muSg0Rw

zeke
04-18-2014, 11:27 PM
Nets start Livingston along with Deron, JJ, Pierce, and KG/Blatche.

it's actually been Plumlee starting over Blatche when KG's been injured in the last couple of months.

Blatche has kinda been out of the rotation lately.

Matrim
04-19-2014, 07:20 AM
So pumped for this game and series. The Raps are going to take it in 6. The key will be to find someone to guard Pierce and Joe Johnson. This is where John Salmons will be so valuable as his age and lack of foot speed won't hurt him nearly as much against those two. Landry Fields may get into the rotation more too depending on the situation too, but I think Ross/Johnson can cover almost anyone so unless they are fouled out or really struggle we won't see too much of Fields. Other than that I believe the Raptors are simply the better team at every position and the big man depth the Raps have will be an x-factor.

Habsy
04-19-2014, 09:42 AM
Question to the married guys on this board...

Friend of mine just called me asking if I wanted his tickets to the Heat game tomorrow. He can't go because of Easter. After going to Tampa twice this past week I think my wife will attempt to cut my balls off for going to the Heat game on Sunday.

Worth it? What would you guys do? I'm thinking a gift of some kind.

Aberdeen
04-19-2014, 09:54 AM
Give them to someone who you want to owe you.

Leafin'
04-21-2014, 10:30 PM
Anyone watching the OKC- Memphis game... holy sh*t Durant! What a shot there.

zeke
05-06-2014, 12:45 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aURx4YyFpgU

Hoss
05-06-2014, 07:18 AM
I knew that this was a potential rumour....

Masai Ujiri has mentioned interest in looking at acquiring Vince Carter this coming off season.


This team reminds me very much of the Leafs last year. They need a few veteran players to add some experience and mentors. I personally would love to have Vince off the bench for some minutes for Demar and even giving Lowry a chance to breath and let Grievus be an actual back up point guard instead of playing both those guys in the 1 and 2 spots.

Getting Vince and a veteran big PF or back up C could be really huge.

CTheBigPicture
05-06-2014, 07:27 AM
I'm vehemently against getting vincanity. He is effective and may come cheap (and will be an upgrade)... But he is a polarizing figure in this city. Before you know it some people will be screaming for him to start, while others, like me, will continue booing him for the way he acted and has never recognized it.

This is the new Toronto Raptors. Let's not go back in history.

leafman101
05-06-2014, 07:41 AM
Its not just the name though. Vince is the type of player they need.

The fact that he is the best player in the history of the franchise is just a bonus.

Hoss
05-06-2014, 08:12 AM
This Raptors team now matured more in one year than we have ever imagined. Why can't fans mature as well.
This raptor fan base is a very young one. They don't remember to care about the Vince of old. They are booing because they see other people doing it.

It's time we grow up as well. We will always seem to be a little brother with an inferiority complex franchise if we boo players that leave. Don't you think Lowry notices this. If he resigns and has a bad year, or is hurt, will fans be so fickle as they were with Vince to start to boo him?

I think IF we were to do this, Ujiri will be showing that this franchise has grown up. We need to do what is best for the team.

That Grange special on Vince seems almost a feeler to see fans reaction... and I think fans have started to realize how booing is pointless and makes us look childish as an organization.

I think getting Vince to come off the bench, and getting a veteran centre to help Val keep growing would be HUGE for this team in terms of experience and maturity in more ways than one.

CTheBigPicture
05-06-2014, 08:57 AM
Why can't fans mature as well.
This raptor fan base is a very young one. They don't remember to care about the Vince of old. They are booing because they see other people doing it.

debatable The "others" group is significant one. It's not just a few people.



It's time we grow up as well. We will always seem to be a little brother with an inferiority complex franchise if we boo players that leave. Don't you think Lowry notices this. If he resigns and has a bad year, or is hurt, will fans be so fickle as they were with Vince to start to boo him?


You know this didn't happen. We have players like doc leave too and we love him.

Vince simply spat on our faces by faking injuries over and over and over again.



I think IF we were to do this, Ujiri will be showing that this franchise has grown up. We need to do what is best for the team.


What is best for this team is not to bring in a polarizing figure who once showed you the finger and has never accepted what he did



That Grange special on Vince seems almost a feeler to see fans reaction... and I think fans have started to realize how booing is pointless and makes us look childish as an organization.



His special was PURE propaganda. He distorted the argument to fit an agenda.

Contrary to what he stated, we aren't mad that Vince wanted to leave; we RECOGNIZE that the organization was a mess and he had every right to want to do so.

We are mad cause he mocked us who spent time and money on the team. Faking injuries over and over again.

Vince going along with the fake story on that special just made him look even more pathetic in my eyes.



I think getting Vince to come off the bench, and getting a veteran centre to help Val keep growing would be HUGE for this team in terms of experience and maturity in more ways than one.

I think it would be a significant distraction.

Hoss
05-06-2014, 09:12 AM
How much money do we have... I thought that with the Gay trade we actually saved alot of money.

Is there anyway that some UFA's play at a much lower pay rate due to injury and stage of their career??

Would Gasol be willing to play for the raps as the big man behind Amir or Jval?? Elton Brand??

Some other interesting names to play the back up bigs...

Boris Diaw
Gortat
Jordan Hill
Jason Smith (New Orleans)

Deckie007
05-06-2014, 09:35 AM
Stuff

The bitterness is strong with this one. I think he'd be welcomed back. VC would be a perfect addition to this team, on the court and off. You really need to step back and...see...the...big....picture.

mbow30
05-06-2014, 09:40 AM
not sure why he'd be perfect off the court. the guy turned out to be a disappointment in a lot of ways. we all know he was soft and pouty, and went through long spells where he clearly wasn't trying. he's a mediocre defender (and actually a downgrade from salmons on that front). and he's a guy who was too stubborn to assess himself and actually round out the weakness in his game (D) that separated him from the truly elite.

i'm ambivalent on bringing him back, but it isn't like he's some sort of ideal veteran presence. he's just a good fit as a support piece because he's a good foil for ross and derozan, who are athletic but lack the strength to deal with, say, joe johnson, and he has the ability to move the ball and space the floor.

but this isn't like bringing Oakley or Willis to the 98 team...

leafman101
05-06-2014, 09:55 AM
He also gets the reputation calls, and if you need a big shot you dont have to have Lowry go 1 on 5.

MyNameIsJonas
05-06-2014, 10:05 AM
After Deng and Stephenson, Carter is my top wing choice.

Leafin'
05-06-2014, 11:31 AM
We need someone to replace Salmons corpse and a big man to play behind Val. Hayes does not cut it.

emo
05-06-2014, 11:36 AM
The Raps need a legit SF. Paul Pierce would have done wonders in this line-up. Deng too.

Need to bring back Lowry, Patterson and Vasquez.

Leafin'
05-06-2014, 09:41 PM
Deng would be a nice guy on a 2 year deal. I'm not sure if it can be done, but he'd be a nice get until Ross has his contract come up.

Lowry / Vasquez
Derozan / Ross
Deng / Carter?XXXX
Amir / Patterson
Val / XXXX

That would be a good team next season.

Volcanologist
05-06-2014, 10:51 PM
We need someone to replace Salmons corpse and a big man to play behind Val. Hayes does not cut it.

Weekend At Salmons?

MindzEye
05-06-2014, 11:47 PM
It was weird to watch someone's career simply evaporate over the course of about a month.

There's a lot of guys available this summer to beef up the bench, but I think the most important move we can make is pushing Ross to the bench and adding a legit starting body to this group. Ross could be a legitimate break out player as a 6th man off of the bench imo. He had pretty solid increases in his TS%, eFG%, PER...it would be nice to see him use his athleticism more as a slasher, 1.6 FTA a game when he's putting up 12+ shots just isn't going to cut it as a starting wing, but overall he took a step forward.

DD took a huge step forward and has basically become unguardable as a scorer now. Even his 3pt% has nudged up to a quasi respectable 30.5%

Val is still a puppy who is still adjusting to the speed of NBA offences but he took big steps in Reb%, saw a decrease in Tov%, while increasing his usg%. Also, extremely importantly, sliced a big chunk off of his PF/36 rate and it's allowing him to play more minutes. He'll likely step into 32-34mpg territory next season and we'll probably see a big more polish on his footwork and back to the basket game. Would like to see him develop a bit more IQ when he's iso'd in the low blocks and develop the ability to hit cutters with passes from there.

MyNameIsJonas
05-06-2014, 11:58 PM
Am i wrong to like Al Faarooq Aminu? and Thedo Sefolosha?

Leafin'
05-07-2014, 12:44 AM
Am i wrong to like Al Faarooq Aminu? and Thedo Sefolosha?

Exactly the buy low kinda guy i was thinking if we can't get Deng.

MindzEye
05-07-2014, 08:00 AM
Am i wrong to like Al Faarooq Aminu? and Thedo Sefolosha?

No, you're not wrong to like the guy I told you to like 3 months ago.

mbow30
05-07-2014, 08:54 AM
the only issue I see with aminu is his lack of range. the raptors were at their best this year when they were moving the ball, and part of that was the spacing they got because of ross's 3 point shooting. you don't need to find a 40% guy for the starting 3 spot but aminu can't shoot at all.

mbow30
05-07-2014, 10:14 AM
what about crazy MWP?

it seems unlikely given that he was available for most of the season and nobody bit... and I guess you risk upsetting the locker room chemistry... plus he's getting a bit old.

but, he's only 2 years removed from a productive enough season with the lakers, brings decent range, can defend and has the sort of body type that the raps are lacking.

MindzEye
05-07-2014, 12:50 PM
the only issue I see with aminu is his lack of range. the raptors were at their best this year when they were moving the ball, and part of that was the spacing they got because of ross's 3 point shooting. you don't need to find a 40% guy for the starting 3 spot but aminu can't shoot at all.

Aminu isn't a guy that would start imo, but he would be massively valuable in grinding series like the one we just lost by a point. I get that we were a much better offensive ball club when we're spaced well, but the next step in our offensive evolution is going to have to come with our back to the basket in the low block. Something that was exposed in the Nets series (though it was brought up a number of times during the year as well) was how jump shot reliant we become at times. We should be able to field a big ball, defence/rebounding lineup that can out grind other teams to compliment the outside shooting threat that our perimeter group brings.

If we strike out on both of the 2 big wing players I want, then the obvious additions that I see in free agency are:

-Aminu at SF. He's almost the exact opposite offensive player that Ross is. Really only effective around the rim. But he rebounds and defends like a beast. Would push Ross for minutes and be a nice match up piece

-Vince Carter at SG/SF. High IQ offensive player who can carry a 2nd unit offensively

-Kris Humphries af PF/C. Pretty ideal low block banger to put next to Val whenever you want to play big. Pretty dominant rebounding rates


All 3 would be cheap, and fill obvious rotation holes we have currently.


Lowry/Vasquez/De Colo
DD/Vince/Vasquez/Ross
Ross/Aminu/Vince
Amir/W.Oak/Hump
Val/Hump/Amir

MindzEye
05-07-2014, 12:54 PM
what about crazy MWP?

it seems unlikely given that he was available for most of the season and nobody bit... and I guess you risk upsetting the locker room chemistry... plus he's getting a bit old.

but, he's only 2 years removed from a productive enough season with the lakers, brings decent range, can defend and has the sort of body type that the raps are lacking.

If we had a core group of veterans with strong leadership, I would be fine with him as a bench piece/******* defender/resident psychopath, but with the amount of kids we have and with how unstable he is, I don't think the upside of adding him is worth the risk.

MindzEye
05-07-2014, 12:55 PM
Pau Gasol though...is another veteran we should take a long, hard look at.

Scale his minutes down to 24-26 a game and he could be a huge rotation piece for us

axlsalinger
05-07-2014, 02:03 PM
Was just gonna say Pau. Seems like he'd be a perfect fit on this team.

Leafin'
05-07-2014, 08:36 PM
I doubt we see Pau Gasol here.

I like the idea of Aminu for the bench and spot start when Ross is slumping. I even like the idea of getting Ross to come off the bench if we get Deng. I think Amir/Patterson are a good PF combination. We need another bigman that is long and can defend. Im not sure Humphries is that guy. He's more along the lines of a Hansbro. Sadly, i think we trade off Hansbro during the offseason. Not sure who would be a good fit at the back up C spot. Maybe a Dalambert?

Hoss
05-07-2014, 09:21 PM
I'll just repost this, as I mentioned Gasol ten posts up, but threw some other names. Hope I ain't on ignore lists... please don't negate my contributions :shrug

I would like to hear your thoughts as I still see the team need a back up veteran C, and a solid SF or PF to spot Amir and Ross for guys like Johnson



How much money do we have... I thought that with the Gay trade we actually saved alot of money.

Is there anyway that some UFA's play at a much lower pay rate due to injury and stage of their career??

Would Gasol be willing to play for the raps as the big man behind Amir or Jval?? Elton Brand??

Some other interesting names to play the back up bigs...

Boris Diaw
Gortat
Jordan Hill
Jason Smith (New Orleans)

HolyPuck
05-08-2014, 04:08 PM
Josh Smith would be a good fit on this team, unfortunately we can't afford him.

Leafin'
05-08-2014, 05:47 PM
He'd be a bad it attitude wise though. Selfish player.

MindzEye
05-08-2014, 06:23 PM
I'll just repost this, as I mentioned Gasol ten posts up, but threw some other names. Hope I ain't on ignore lists... please don't negate my contributions :shrug

I would like to hear your thoughts as I still see the team need a back up veteran C, and a solid SF or PF to spot Amir and Ross for guys like Johnson

Yeah, Gasol would be a nice get.

The cap is going up to 63.2 million next season. Raps currently have 41.3 million already spent for next season:

DD - 9.5
Hayes - 5.9
Fields - 8.5
Novak - 3.4
Val - 3.6
Camby - 4.2
W.Oak - 3.3
Ross - 2.8

They then hold the rights to 2 players through qualifying offers

Patterson - 4.3
Vasquez - 3.2

Those are both no brainer maneuvers that I expect to either be exercised, making both restricted free agents that we can then negotiate extensions with. I don't expect either extension to be that long, or that expensive as neither player has done anything to warrant 8+ million in the NBA, and on the other side, neither will want to lock in long term to a cheap deal when they'll possibly be able to fetch a fair bit more money in 2-3 years.

After that, we have 2 team options

Salmons - 7.0
Amir - 7.0

One of these will be picked up, and the other won't be.

The only UFA of note we have is Kyle Lowry, who I expect to re sign in the 4-5 yr 11-13 million dollar range.

That will leave us sitting somewhere around 65 million in cap spent. After putting some thought to it, I expect our biggest move to be made via trade. We have so.****ing.much shitty, short term contract sitting around that I just don't see M.U not using it to take on other team's dodgy contracts for good players. I think the Raptors will be comfortable going to ~70 million in salary (which would be about 83 million in total with luxury taxes). And we have Fields/Hayes/Camby combining for 18.7 million of that ~65.

Players with some term left on their contract, that would fit in here and could possibly be on the move would include: Iguodala, Gallinari, Josh Smith, Batum, Afflalo....with Stephenson, Deng, Gasol, Randolph being legit sign & trade targets.

Should be a lot of bargain shopping though...this is a great off season for that imo

At C, Okafor might be the best, super sneaky option at backup C

PF - Humphries, Diaw

SF - Pierce, Carter, Ariza, Marion, Marvin Williams, Aminu, PJ Tucker, Richard Jefferson

We should be able to either do something splashy, or land 2-4 of the cheaper names listed to fill out our bench mob with quality depth.

MindzEye
05-08-2014, 06:23 PM
Josh Smith would be a good fit on this team, unfortunately we can't afford him.

Why not? Detroit would have to take salary back, and we have tons of dead salary we can send.

MindzEye
05-08-2014, 06:27 PM
He'd be a bad it attitude wise though. Selfish player.

A wing player who typically averages 3 shot attempts to each assist is selfish?


Josh Smith is an elite defender, and away from the PF position, is one of the elite rebounding SF's in the league. He would almost singlehandedly solve our weak side shot blocking/challenging issues, he's a lock down perimeter defender and would give us another weapon in transition, and he's got a strong back to the basket game.

The attitude stuff is overblown with most players.

axlsalinger
05-08-2014, 06:49 PM
Except it's true regarding Josh Smith.

MindzEye
05-08-2014, 06:55 PM
Except it's true regarding Josh Smith.

It was also true about Rasheed Wallace, Dennis Rodman, Zack Randolph, Artest, Garnett, etc, etc, etc, etc


Completely overblown.

If Rasheed Wallace can be a key contributor to a title team, then there's no such thing as an attitude that can't.


Michael Jordan is still the biggest ******* in the history of the sport.

axlsalinger
05-08-2014, 07:35 PM
Wait, did you just compare Michael Jordan to Josh Smith?

Jordan was an *******, but unlike Joshie, the only thing MJ cared about was winning.

I don't think Rasheed won anything until he stopped playing like a selfish fool. Same with Zach. Rodman and Garnett should not even be part of this conversation.

**** Josh Smith.

MindzEye
05-08-2014, 07:40 PM
Wait, did you just compare Michael Jordan to Josh Smith?

No, I compared him to Rasheed Wallace.

I merely threw in at the end of my post about shitty attitudes, that the greatest player in the history of the game was it's biggest *******, why you chose that name to run with when there were numerous, far more apt comparisons that I mentioned first, is beyond me.

"Attitude" is the most overblown method of judging an NBA player. Does he work hard, does he perform? If the answers to both are yes, the **** just about anything else.

Complete.****ing.Overblown.

Our heart and soul leader was considered a bad attitude what, 8-12 months ago?

da_next_kid
05-08-2014, 07:56 PM
A big NO to Josh Smith, he is one of the worst offensive players in the game and even his defence is slipping. He is a selfish player and will jack up three pointers with zero conscience. Take a look at his shot chart;

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2746

MindzEye
05-08-2014, 08:21 PM
A big NO to Josh Smith, he is one of the worst offensive players in the game and even his defence is slipping. He is a selfish player and will jack up three pointers with zero conscience. Take a look at his shot chart;

http://stats.nba.com/playerShotchart.html?PlayerID=2746

His defence is slipping against PF's, but according to Synergy this year he was mother****ing elite in isolated perimeter defensive situations against wing players (33% of his isolation defensive situations were against wing players)

As for chucking 3's with no conscience...Detroit let him shoot more than he ever has in his career. He's average 1.7 attempts a game over his career...the guy is hardly a chucker. Shit, look at the chart, he took about 45% of his shots from within 8 feet, and about 20% from outside. Our current SF took almost 60% of his shot attempts from outside the arc, and 20% from within 8 feet of the rim.

So...who's the chucker again?

HolyPuck
05-08-2014, 09:42 PM
The guy is a beast, he can steal, block, run, pass and dunk, we don't need him to provide points.

emo
05-09-2014, 10:48 AM
Lowry/Vasquez/De Colo
DD/Vince/Vasquez/Ross
Ross/Aminu/Vince
Amir/W.Oak/Hump
Val/Hump/Amir

Where's P Pat?

MindzEye
05-09-2014, 12:08 PM
Where's P Pat?

My bad. Though, I would only keep one of him or Amir going forward. My preference would be to replace Amir with a bigger 4 with a back to the basket game and keep Patterson as a stretch 4 off of the bench.

Matrim
05-20-2014, 11:22 PM
So Cleveland somehow managed to get the #1 pick yet again despite having only a 1% chance of winning it.

Metalleaf
05-20-2014, 11:23 PM
Cleveland, Canada's second team.

Matrim
05-25-2014, 02:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaTHjxAOrnk

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
05-25-2014, 10:15 AM
So Cleveland somehow managed to get the #1 pick yet again despite having only a 1% chance of winning it.

NBGay

Corrupt league.

LeafGm
05-25-2014, 10:34 AM
NBGay

Corrupt league.
If the NBA was going to conspire to give a team the first overall pick, why would that team be Cleveland?

soco22
05-25-2014, 11:45 AM
If the NBA was going to conspire to give a team the first overall pick, why would that team be Cleveland?

Was thinking the same thing.

trujaysfan
05-25-2014, 12:39 PM
Could the NBA view Cleveland the same way the NHL views Pittsburgh?

- Good environment when winning
- Hard for a neutral to hate
- In an area where the sport itself is important

doubt they rigged the draft but all reasons the nba may favour the cavs slightly

soco22
05-25-2014, 12:54 PM
Cleveland are like leafs fans...they just keep coming back, no matter how shitty the outlook. Waste of time to even think of potentially getting cause rigging a draft for the city of Cleveland.

axlsalinger
05-25-2014, 01:18 PM
Yeah, a bizarre thing to say. If there was a "rig" in place, it would've been to ensure any one of a number of teams not named Cleveland got the pick.

Habspatrol
05-25-2014, 01:45 PM
It's ridiculous to think that leagues are rigging the draft. You need far to many people conspiring and if someone flips and/or you get caught the commissioner, the firm responsible for ensuring it is legit and everyone else involved are ****ed... big time.

MindzEye
05-25-2014, 04:06 PM
The draft where the Knicks got Ewing....big maybe on that. For Cleveland to get Embiid, Wiggins, Parker, or Randle though...

hell to the no

MyNameIsJonas
05-25-2014, 10:35 PM
The league could literally come out and say **** Cleveland, and most of the world wouldn't disagree.

Matrim
06-22-2014, 06:25 AM
The draft is now just a few days away and I'm getting excited. There could be some interesting names for the Raptors at 20. I'm hoping they can grab one of KJ McDaniels, Kyle Anderson or Adreian Payne. I know a lot of "experts" are expecting the Raptors to take a PG but I just don't understand why. At least one of Lowry or Vasquez will be back next year and most likely both will be back along with De Colo who could be a very serviceable backup in his own right. Even if Tyler Ennis is there, I'd much prefer getting a F.

MindzEye
06-22-2014, 10:00 AM
Masai is an analytics junkie. I have zero doubt that he'll be looking at the BPA, and not drafting for position.

Deckie007
06-22-2014, 10:28 AM
Yeah, assuming we re-sign Lowry, the team doesn't have any gaping holes. Just draft BPA.

Killer93
06-24-2014, 09:34 AM
Lebron James opting out; James to Raptors? :D

Metalleaf
06-24-2014, 09:56 AM
Habsys gonna be livid.

CTheBigPicture
06-24-2014, 09:56 AM
I think LeBron is only opting out to put pressure on Wade and Bosh to also opt out and resign cheaper contracts. It also puts pressure on the team to recruit a big 4 worthy player with that saving.

Metalleaf
06-24-2014, 09:59 AM
@WojYahooNBA: LeBron James will opt-out of deal, source confirms. He's determined to impose pressure on Miami to improve roster and spend, sources say.

Wayward DP
06-24-2014, 10:14 AM
Wonder what Bosh and Wade do now

MindzEye
06-24-2014, 10:56 AM
Habsys gonna be livid.

I tried to warn him

MindzEye
06-24-2014, 10:57 AM
Wonder what Bosh and Wade do now

Collect their 19 million dollar option years?

MindzEye
06-24-2014, 11:05 AM
I think LeBron is only opting out to put pressure on Wade and Bosh to also opt out and resign cheaper contracts. It also puts pressure on the team to recruit a big 4 worthy player with that saving.

Another star player coming to ride on Lebron's coat tails would be the gayest move in NBA history.

I completely understand the desire to be a star players surrounded by the quality necessary to win in the NBA (which, for example, Melo isn't and the organization is a gong show, unlikely to ever manage to surround him with it)...but to run, tail between legs to ride shotgun to one of the top 10 talents in NBA history? That's a Chris Bosh move.

Wayward DP
06-24-2014, 11:08 AM
Collect their 19 million dollar option years?

Then that likely means the end of the big three you gotta think...

Just talking out of my ass here, but is Lebron to Toronto even in the realm of possibility?

TimHorton
06-24-2014, 11:09 AM
is Lebron to Toronto even in the realm of possibility

No, it's not.

trujaysfan
06-24-2014, 11:16 AM
Then that likely means the end of the big three you gotta think...

Just talking out of my ass here, but is Lebron to Toronto even in the realm of possibility?

Drake will make a call http://24.media.tumblr.com/c45b1f0718a2a60d79a911512f63c6fa/tumblr_mi17plX4cx1ryfrfko1_500.gif

JaysCyYoung
06-24-2014, 11:16 AM
It should be.

One of the premier cities in the world. Huge marketing potential and a financial urban international economic powerhouse.

And the only thing the Raptors are missing is a premiere SF. Put LeBron on the Raptors and they win multiple championships with Lowry and DeRozan in the mix and Val at the 5. They're a much better team than Miami was without the Big Three.

TimHorton
06-24-2014, 11:17 AM
He's not coming here.

JaysCyYoung
06-24-2014, 11:19 AM
You're right. He'll end up in Chicago or back to Cleveland or some place like that.

TimHorton
06-24-2014, 11:21 AM
I suspect it's one of back to Miami, Clippers or Cavs.

leafman101
06-24-2014, 11:23 AM
Lebron isn't going to a team to be the only star. He doesn't have the balls for that.

Killer93
06-24-2014, 11:25 AM
James/Lowry/DeRozan/Val/Amir

One can dream right? :D

MindzEye
06-24-2014, 11:26 AM
Then that likely means the end of the big three you gotta think...

Just talking out of my ass here, but is Lebron to Toronto even in the realm of possibility?

Not really no. I'm sure Drake puts in a call, and Lebron will probably listen to a pitch from TL & Masai out of respect to one of his best friends, but it would be the craziest player movement in NBA history so I highly doubt it.

MindzEye
06-24-2014, 11:40 AM
It should be.

One of the premier cities in the world. Huge marketing potential and a financial urban international economic powerhouse.

And the only thing the Raptors are missing is a premiere SF. Put LeBron on the Raptors and they win multiple championships with Lowry and DeRozan in the mix and Val at the 5. They're a much better team than Miami was without the Big Three.

Agreed on this last point. A Lebronless Heat would get run off by the Raptors.