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LeafGm
03-10-2011, 06:03 PM
If we don't pick up a UFA goalie this summer, re-sign Giguere or trade away any of our prospect goalies, it's going to be an interesting three-way battle between Gustavsson, Scrivens and Rynnas at camp this fall.

leafman101
03-10-2011, 07:55 PM
No it won't be.

Scrivens will win it pretty easily if he is given a fair shot over Gus.

LeafGm
03-10-2011, 09:47 PM
No it won't be.

Scrivens will win it pretty easily if he is given a fair shot over Gus.
That would be the key point.

leafman101
03-10-2011, 09:48 PM
Indeed. Not really counting on it.

da_next_kid
03-11-2011, 12:19 PM
Has Gus been good, at least in the AHL?

edit: Okay, he's been beasting the AHL.

johnunit
03-11-2011, 04:51 PM
http://www.wcha.com/men/presarch/201103/mar10wcm.php

Matt Frattin the WCHA player of the year

Artnes
03-11-2011, 05:08 PM
Awesome. The guy has made a major comeback from last season. Burke and Co like this

Artnes
03-11-2011, 05:10 PM
Gardner looks a little slow

http://www.wcha.com/images/20102011/special/menawards/allstars/gardiner.jpg

Metalleaf
03-11-2011, 05:56 PM
Gardiner....

Artnes
03-11-2011, 06:42 PM
Suck it

leafman101
03-11-2011, 09:17 PM
Marlies up 6-0, Kadri with a goal, Colborne with a goal and two assist.

Colborne's been starting to rack up the assists lately and now has 10 points in 11 games as a Marlie.

LeafGm
03-11-2011, 09:27 PM
Definitely encouraging to see Colborne approaching a PPG pace with the Marlies. I had some pretty serious concerns about his 26 points in 55 games with the baby Bruins.

hockeylover
03-11-2011, 09:41 PM
Colborne left the game after a blindside hit from Eric Selleck, guy who has already had two knee on knees (one on Kadri) and a hit from behind against the Marlies this year.

hockeylover
03-11-2011, 09:42 PM
Frattin scores his 30th and 31st goals (SH) of the season.

hockeylover
03-11-2011, 09:46 PM
bartsbytes John Bartlett
Joe Colbourne "doubtful" to return in tonight's game.

Kadri 1g, 1a now.

LeafGm
03-11-2011, 09:48 PM
Colborne left the game after a blindside hit from Eric Selleck, guy who has already had two knee on knees (one on Kadri) and a hit from behind against the Marlies this year.
****ing hell.

hockeylover
03-11-2011, 09:51 PM
Frattin 2 goals
Colborne 1 goal, 2 assists
Kadri 1 goal, 1 assist
McKegg 1 goal
D'Amigo 1 goal
Devane 1 assist
Blacker 1 assist

McKegg needs 3 more for 50.

Preston_Mizzi
03-11-2011, 10:01 PM
Kadri now at 38 points in 42 games..

hockeylover
03-11-2011, 10:07 PM
Frattin gets the hat trick, his second of the season. 32nd of the year.

38 games played 32 goals 21 assists 53 points


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-FkNsbi25c&feature=youtu.be

Still 10 minutes left.

Artnes
03-11-2011, 10:44 PM
Definitely encouraging to see Colborne approaching a PPG pace with the Marlies. I had some pretty serious concerns about his 26 points in 55 games with the baby Bruins.

It's already been shown that his numbers were in large part to being on one of the weakest team in the league and Boston playing him out of his natural position as a power forward.

Nothing to be concerned about seeing he's put up good numbers in every league he's played in

Artnes
03-11-2011, 10:46 PM
Has Frattin finally found his game or is he playing over his head?

hockeylover
03-11-2011, 10:59 PM
If he's playing over his head, he has been for the entire season. He's had a great year. It's just a matter of how that NCAA play translates over to the NHL.

teeds
03-11-2011, 11:06 PM
Jake Gardiner slow? Heh, that sure isn't what was advertised about him. He is supposed to be the guy that makes some forget Paul Coffey. I don'
t buy that myself.

Metalleaf
03-11-2011, 11:34 PM
Suck it

If you're gonna insult someone get the name right.:deal:

hockeylover
03-11-2011, 11:40 PM
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=446&id=102511

This is the hit on Colborne.

Metalleaf
03-11-2011, 11:43 PM
This Selleck has a history and he's a gutless prick...but my god, Colborne has to be smarter than that.

Blueman
03-11-2011, 11:59 PM
Jake Gardiner slow? Heh, that sure isn't what was advertised about him. He is supposed to be the guy that makes some forget Paul Coffey. I don'
t buy that myself.

He meant slow as in retarded. Kind of like your posts. Are you related to Gardiner?:sarcasm

Metalleaf
03-12-2011, 11:29 AM
Marlies need 9 more wins to clinch a playoff spot,

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 04:04 PM
Naz to Zigomanis. 1-0.

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 04:18 PM
Kadri makes it 2-0. 1 goal, 1 assist.

CRL
03-12-2011, 04:21 PM
As per Leafs management Boyce,Crabb,Rosshill>>> Kadri,Zigo

LeafOfFaith
03-12-2011, 04:29 PM
Is JoCo playing?

zeke
03-12-2011, 04:35 PM
no

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 04:50 PM
Colborne left the game after a blindside hit from Eric Selleck, guy who has already had two knee on knees (one on Kadri) and a hit from behind against the Marlies this year.

I wonder if JCY firgures that hit was just worth 2 minutes for interference. Cause really, if Colborne had the puck it would have been a clean hit.

IMO Selleck should get at least 5 games. Illegal hit causing injury.

JaysCyYoung
03-12-2011, 04:51 PM
I never saw the hit and neither did you so I cannot judge what happened and/or any appropriate disciplinary action that should be undertaken (or not taken).

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 04:54 PM
I never saw the hit and neither did you so I cannot judge what happened and/or any appropriate disciplinary action that should be undertaken (or not taken).

Neither did I??? Sure I did. It was a late hit... not as late as the Chara hit, but it was late.

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 04:54 PM
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=446&id=102511

This is the hit on Colborne.

Take a look Jays.

JaysCyYoung
03-12-2011, 04:54 PM
You randomly happened to be watching a Toronto Marlies game? Errmmm...

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 04:55 PM
You randomly happened to be watching a Toronto Marlies game? Errmmm...

So a recording doesn't count?

JaysCyYoung
03-12-2011, 04:55 PM
Just saw it. Colborne should have had his head up. That's a big-time rookie mistake by Big Joe.

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 04:57 PM
Just saw it. Colborne should have had his head up. That's a big-time rookie mistake by Big Joe.

Head up or head down you can't hit guys that long after they get rid of the puck.

JaysCyYoung
03-12-2011, 04:58 PM
It wasn't that long after he got rid of the puck. A game misconduct was appropriate in that situation under the circumstances. You're trying to absolve players of all personal responsibility, a potentially damaging long-term action that will have repercussions down the line when young kids no longer skate with their heads up or aren't aware of potential dangers on the ice.

I'm in favour of punishing blatant offenders with penalties and in encouraging personal accountability by teaching kids how to protect themselves on the ice from a young age so as to avoid these types of preventable circumstances.

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 05:00 PM
I don't recall the timing being that much different from Janssen's hit on Kaberle... and we all hated that.


You're trying to absolve players of all personal responsibility, a potentially damaging long-term action that will have repercussions down the line.

What about the player doing the late, blindside hits? What about that player's responsibility?

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 05:02 PM
I'm in favour of punishing players for making illegal hits that lead to injury. I'm also in favour of huge clean hits. If a player has the puck and his head down, he's fair game to be crushed. Colborne had definitely gotten rid of the puck well before he gets planted.

If he has the puck that's a great hit.

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 05:07 PM
There's also a difference between "finishing your check" and starting the check after the player gets rid of the puck.

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 05:18 PM
There's also a difference between "finishing your check" and starting the check after the player gets rid of the puck.

Yeah it seems a lot of people don't know the difference between finishing your check and a late hit.

JaysCyYoung
03-12-2011, 05:20 PM
Like Habspatrol.

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 05:25 PM
Like JaysCyYoung.

If you are in the process of throwing a hit and the guy gets rid of the puck you can continue your hit and that's finishing your check. If a guy gets rid of the puck and then you start the process of throwing the hit, it's a late hit.

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 05:41 PM
I'm just gonna say that I disagree re: Colborne.

...but if you guys actually just wanna continue the Chara discussion maybe take it back there...

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 05:45 PM
Huh... I never mentioned Chara. I am talking about the Colborne hit. It was a late hit. It cause an injury, it's suspendable.

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 05:47 PM
The reason I asked what Jays would think of the hit was because of his opinion on other hits, but that doesn't mean I'm talking about other hits here.

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 05:48 PM
Huh... I never mentioned Chara. I am talking about the Colborne hit. It was a late hit. It cause an injury, it's suspendable.

I totally agree. But it's clear we're just gonna keep going in circles here with Jays so I'm just saying let's not clog up the prospects thread with the same debate. You guys are pretty much just continuing the fight from the Chara thread.

Looks like he's gonna be OK though:

thejustinfisher Justin Fisher
#Marlies coach Dallas Eakins on Joe Colborne: "We're not calling it a concussion yet. It looks like he's going to be fine."

JaysCyYoung
03-12-2011, 05:54 PM
The reason I asked what Jays would think of the hit was because of his opinion on other hits, but that doesn't mean I'm talking about other hits here.

Admit it: you were just looking for a reason to call me a hypocrite by trying to get me to object to a Leafs player getting hit. At least be honest and forthright about your reasons for invoking my name in the discussion.

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 06:04 PM
Admit it: you were just looking for a reason to call me a hypocrite by trying to get me to object to a Leafs player getting hit. At least be honest and forthright about your reasons for invoking my name in the discussion.

Not per se... however I probably would have called you one.

How was I not being honest? I asked what your opinion was... then I said the reason I asked was because of your opinions on other hits.

Geez, I was sure being cryptic there.

Habspatrol
03-12-2011, 06:05 PM
I totally agree. But it's clear we're just gonna keep going in circles here with Jays so I'm just saying let's not clog up the prospects thread with the same debate. You guys are pretty much just continuing the fight from the Chara thread.

Looks like he's gonna be OK though:

thejustinfisher Justin Fisher
#Marlies coach Dallas Eakins on Joe Colborne: "We're not calling it a concussion yet. It looks like he's going to be fine."

No problem.

Hopefully there's a suspension. It's deserved.

teeds
03-12-2011, 06:56 PM
Imagine if there were accurate telemetry of boxers and MMA fighters? No one would be allowed to fight obviously. Everyone is concussed most likely to some extent.

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 10:15 PM
D'Amigo 1 goal, 1 assist
Nicholls 2 assists
Frattin 1 goal
McKegg 1 assist
Blacker 1 assist

McKegg 64 games played 47 goals 42 assists 89 points (8th in OHL scoring)
Nicholls 68 games played 32 goals 53 assists 85 points (11th in WHL scoring)
Blacker 60 games played 10 goals 42 assists 52 points (6th in OHL defensemen)
D'Amigo 18 games played 10 goals 14 assists 24 points
Frattin 39 games played 33 goals 21 assists 54 points

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 10:47 PM
Western Conference OHL Coaches' Poll

Most Dangerous in the Goal Area
Nail Yakupov, Sarnia Sting (33)
Greg McKegg, Erie Otters (32)
Josh Shalla, Saginaw Spirit (11)

Best Shot
Nail Yakupov, Sarnia Sting (24)
Taylor Beck, Guelph Storm (20)
Greg McKegg, Erie Otters (14)

Hardest Shot
Ryan Ellis, Windsor Spitfires (28) – finished second in votes in 2009-10 and first in votes in 2008-09
Nail Yakupov, Sarnia Sting (16)
Jesse Blacker, Owen Sound Attack (9)

Best on Face-Offs
Michael Latta, Guelph Storm (27)
Vincent Trocheck, Saginaw Spirit (14)
Mitchell Heard, Plymouth Whalers tied Kenny Ryan, Windsor Spitfires (11)

http://www.ontariohockeyleague.com/article/western-conference-coaches-poll-winners/94506

And I heard on twitter that both Frattin and Gardiner make it to the second round of the NCAA playoffs...

LeafGm
03-12-2011, 11:09 PM
What about Naz? What did he finish with?

hockeylover
03-12-2011, 11:16 PM
He's at 43 gp 16 g 24 a 40 pts.

Nazem is 10th in AHL scoring for rookies despite less games played than everyone ahead of him. Colborne 13th among rookies.

I've been updating on prospects on this board for a while and I don't think I've ever had this many great updates.

teeds
03-13-2011, 01:19 AM
Wow, tons of competition in the AHL even huh? Harder to make a buck than ever for these chaps.

hockeylover
03-13-2011, 07:49 AM
Winner of Wisconsin and CC moves on to next round of NCAA playoffs so we'll know if we get Gardiner soon.

hockeylover
03-13-2011, 03:36 PM
UNDSID Matt Frattin is the winner of UND's inaugural 'Virg Foss 3-Star Award' for most 3-star selections during home games as voted by print media.

chansler Kadri cuts from the half boards into the slot and scores his 3rd in as many games. 1-0 #Marlies

hockeylover
03-13-2011, 04:48 PM
chansler:
Big stop from Ben Scrivens with 4 minutes left in the first.
Have to be good to be lucky. Scrivens stretches for a big toe save, and then the next shot rings off the post
Two more from Scrivens right off the draw. #Marlies pushing hard for a bounce-back game after yesterday.
More Scrivens in the second. Big cheers from the crowd as he stops Sawada on the breakaway.

Yep. He's killing it. 1-0 Marlies.

teeds
03-13-2011, 04:52 PM
Burke's strategy is working, I am probably going to go to every one of the Marlies playoff games. I am that starved for some playoff hockey.

hockeylover
03-13-2011, 05:47 PM
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=446&id=102722

Kadri hit.

hockeylover
03-13-2011, 05:50 PM
Marlies lose 2-1 in a shootout. Scrivens stops 30 of 31 shots in regulation.

leafman101
03-13-2011, 06:00 PM
Not sure the Marlies will make the playoffs. They are in there right now, but all the teams they are competing with have 2-5 games in hand on them.

They might be in tougher than the Leafs.

leafman101
03-13-2011, 06:02 PM
Kadri is awesome.

zeke
03-13-2011, 06:08 PM
by PPG/pace, they're not currently in a playoff position, and it looks like it'll be a battle between them and Lake Erie to make it.

zeke
03-13-2011, 07:32 PM
AHL playoff race - Western Conference.

top 4 teams from the 2 divisions (north and west) make the playoffs, unless the 5th placed team from the west finishes ahead of the 4th placed team from the North. then 5 west teams get in.

PPG:

1) MIL: 1.30 (w)
2) MTB: 1.19 (n)
3) HOU: 1.19 (w)
4) SAR: 1.19 (w)
5) TEX: 1.18 (w)
6) HAM: 1.17 (n)
7) PEO: 1.16 (w)
8) LEM: 1.13 (n)
----------------
9) CHI: 1.15 (w)
10) OKL: 1.14 (w)
11) TOR: 1.11 (n)
12) ABB: 1.09 (n)
13) GRG: 1.08 (n)
14) RCH: 0.99 (n)
15) RCK: 0.96 (w)

Cojo
03-13-2011, 09:25 PM
Man, just watched the game highlights. Kadri and Scrivens look like real gems down there.

Kadri should be in the NHL (nothing we haven't heard before), and i bet Scrivens just the same.

Scrivens looks technically sound and would probably do very well in the NHL.

Pumped to see these two up to leafs eventually.

teeds
03-13-2011, 10:47 PM
Now that the Leafs are officially out of it, or will be tomorrow night, they should stack the Marlies immediately.

hockeylover
03-13-2011, 11:06 PM
Now that the Leafs are officially out of it, or will be tomorrow night, they should stack the Marlies immediately.

Aulie is the only one on the AHL Playoffs clear roster.

zeke
03-13-2011, 11:06 PM
Jake Gardiner's badgers up 1-0 in the 3rd and deciding game of this playoff round vs. Colorado, with 10 minutes left. Gardiner with an assist on the PP goal.

If they win this one, Gardiner goes on, if they lose, then maybe he's a Leaf this week.

zeke
03-13-2011, 11:13 PM
Colorado ties it up.

Gardiner's season now in jeopardy.

IrishWolfman
03-13-2011, 11:19 PM
Let's Go Tigers!!

zeke
03-13-2011, 11:22 PM
Colorado SCORES!

2-1 with 6:39 left.

Gardiner's season on life support.

Habspatrol
03-13-2011, 11:36 PM
Call Dr.Kevorkian

zeke
03-13-2011, 11:37 PM
Colorado wins, gardiner's badgers lose.



Welcome to toronto, Jake!

leafman101
03-13-2011, 11:37 PM
Sweet

Metalleaf
03-13-2011, 11:45 PM
Yeah great. Another loser just what this team needs. WINNING!!

IrishWolfman
03-13-2011, 11:57 PM
Yet another reason for Burkie to call up a defenseman from the Marlies. Need to create space for Gardiner.

zeke
03-14-2011, 12:00 AM
gardiner wasn't on the clear day though, no?

leafman101
03-14-2011, 12:03 AM
Nah. Call up Gardiner.

He can't be worse than Lebda.

IrishWolfman
03-14-2011, 12:30 AM
gardiner wasn't on the clear day though, no?

The Clear Day rules don't apply to players who are in the process of playing junior or college seasons when the Clear Day rosters have to be announced. So Gardiner, Frattin, McKegg, etc. can all suit up for the Marlies when their seasons end.

number17
03-14-2011, 09:27 AM
I went down to watch the Marlies game yesterday, where they lost 2-1 to Texas in shootout ... few things I noticed ...

1. Scrivens was AMAZING. SOLID, SOLID position, quick reflection, great glove hand, great rebound control ... he is playing at the NHL level already and should be backing up Reimer. Reimer looks tired at times, and Scrivens can give him a break especially in back-to-back games.

2. Was a little Colborne was out of the lineup cos I wanted to watch him play live. But I was trying to see how Kadri's doing after months in the AHL .... and it was a little sad. I don't know the actual icetime at the end of the game, but I don't think Kadri got a lot of icetime. I don't even think Kadri got 1st line icetime. When he's on the ice, he has NOBODY to pass to playing with 2 stiffs. I saw several times he made excellent passes to his linemates but it was like passing into a blackhole. The only goal that the Marlies scored - a Kadri goal, is nice, using his linemate and a Texas dman as a screen and shooting from the slot. That will be pretty much the only way Kadri gets points - do it all by himself.

3. The Marlies, with all the injuries, isn't a very talented team at all ... a lot of career AHLers in the lineup, especially among forwards. Not a lot of prospects with future.

4. None of Mikus, Holzer, Gysbers look like they'll have a NHL career ...

5. The Marlies' PP system is almost as pathetic as the Leafs.

zeke
03-14-2011, 10:06 AM
Scrivens may be flat out better than reimer. he seems to be just as good a shot-blocker, but with more athleticism.

mbow30
03-14-2011, 10:19 AM
Scrivens may be flat out better than reimer. he seems to be just as good a shot-blocker, but with more athleticism.

mentally, reimer is rock solid. and that's just as important as being a shot blocker. and way more important than being athletic.

athleticism is the most overrated quality in a goaltender, imo.

zeke
03-14-2011, 10:27 AM
agreed. though scrivens seems cut from the same down-to-earth, happy-go-lucky cloth as Reimer is.

mbow30
03-14-2011, 04:42 PM
agreed. though scrivens seems cut from the same down-to-earth, happy-go-lucky cloth as Reimer is.

maybe, though i don't think i've ever seen any nhl goalie like reimer.

the good ones are usually way more intense...

reimer is just unphased.

Preston_Mizzi
03-14-2011, 05:10 PM
Athleticism is useless without a mental/technical game.. but nearly every elite goalie has great athleticism. Giguere is the last I can remember that didn't have great athleticism.. and even his was short lived. I'll be happy if Reimer can be an average starter.. and I'm pretty confident he can.

hockeylover
03-14-2011, 06:35 PM
UNDSID Jayson Hajdu
Matt Frattin has 44 goals in his last 52 games dating back to Feb. 13, 2010. Okaaay then. #frattinforhobey

Metalleaf
03-14-2011, 06:44 PM
That Eric Selleck ******* got suspended for 4 games.

JaysCyYoung
03-14-2011, 06:57 PM
Wasn't the dude who injured Big Joe Eric Selleck? I'm not trying to be a dick, he's just such a marginal player I can't remember his first name.

JaysCyYoung
03-14-2011, 06:57 PM
UNDSID Jayson Hajdu
Matt Frattin has 44 goals in his last 52 games dating back to Feb. 13, 2010. Okaaay then. #frattinforhobey

Jesus H. Christ. In the NCAA no less.

Metalleaf
03-14-2011, 07:17 PM
Wasn't the dude who injured Big Joe Eric Selleck? I'm not trying to be a dick, he's just such a marginal player I can't remember his first name.

You're right, I must have had Matt Lashoff on the brain.

IrishWolfman
03-14-2011, 11:17 PM
According to the Badgers beat writer for Madison.com, Jake Gardiner is rumored to likely sign with the Leafs this week.

johnunit
03-15-2011, 12:37 AM
The hit that knocked out Colborne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkQHtZN5-rI

MindzEye
03-15-2011, 01:00 AM
Wow, late hit. Joe can't admire his passes like that though, he'll get killed by someone in the NHL if he makes a habit of that. If he takes this and learns to go straight to the net off of drop passes, it's a good lesson to learn.

johnunit
03-15-2011, 01:07 AM
Wow, late hit. Joe can't admire his passes like that though, he'll get killed by someone in the NHL if he makes a habit of that. If he takes this and learns to go straight to the net off of drop passes, it's a good lesson to learn.

25,000 posts. step away from teh computer.

Montana
03-15-2011, 01:52 PM
Leafs just signed Jake Gardiner....should join the Marlies any day.

Habspatrol
03-15-2011, 02:01 PM
Wow, late hit. Joe can't admire his passes like that though, he'll get killed by someone in the NHL if he makes a habit of that. If he takes this and learns to go straight to the net off of drop passes, it's a good lesson to learn.

If he wasn't watching the pass he'd likely have seen the hit coming and maybe avoided it. But you can't look everywhere at once so if I guy is going to throw a late hit on you when you aren't looking then there's nothing you can do.

Was Selleck suspended?

hockeylover
03-15-2011, 02:10 PM
Yeah, four games.

Habspatrol
03-15-2011, 02:21 PM
Sounds about right.

worm
03-15-2011, 03:06 PM
haha
that was late...wow

MindzEye
03-15-2011, 03:49 PM
25,000 posts. step away from teh computer.

In fairness, I've lived in Fort Mac for the last 3. It's either this or pick up a crack habit with a side of syphilis to pass the time.

MindzEye
03-15-2011, 03:52 PM
If he wasn't watching the pass he'd likely have seen the hit coming and maybe avoided it. But you can't look everywhere at once so if I guy is going to throw a late hit on you when you aren't looking then there's nothing you can do.

Was Selleck suspended?

Selleck should have never followed through with the hit, it was dirty no doubt. But the onus is on you to protect yourself as best you can out there, and any time you're cruising in one direction at 30km/hr and your head is craned to look at what's going on behind you, you're asking for trouble. Like I said, this would be a lesson well learned if he never does it again. Once you make that drop, turn and burn for the net.

hockeylover
03-16-2011, 11:13 PM
Ross 1 goal, 2 assists
Devane 1 goal
Crescenzi 1 assist
D'Amigo 1 assist
Blacker 1 assist

Habspatrol
03-17-2011, 10:33 AM
Selleck should have never followed through with the hit, it was dirty no doubt. But the onus is on you to protect yourself as best you can out there, and any time you're cruising in one direction at 30km/hr and your head is craned to look at what's going on behind you, you're asking for trouble. Like I said, this would be a lesson well learned if he never does it again. Once you make that drop, turn and burn for the net.

No doubt, he should have learned a lesson. Colborne really needs to keep his head up.

I think we agree re Selleck though, just cause the cash register is open and nobody is around doesn't make it less of a crime to grab the money.

hockeylover
03-17-2011, 10:51 AM
Gardiner has arrived in Toronto and is on a pairing with Korbinian Holzer in practice.

I'm really looking forward to seeing him play. I still can't believe our prospect pool is ranked so low by THN.

hockeylover
03-17-2011, 11:31 AM
Gardiner's contract by the way is a three-year ELC for a cap hit of $1,116,667.

zeke
03-17-2011, 12:07 PM
so we'd officially burn a year of ELC even if he's called up for one game?

Cojo
03-17-2011, 01:23 PM
Gardiner's contract by the way is a three-year ELC for a cap hit of $1,116,667.

the ****??

Metalleaf
03-17-2011, 01:46 PM
That's pretty typical for first rounders.

Cojo
03-17-2011, 03:23 PM
Really?

I guess he is a mid first rounder. I was thinking he was a late first rounder.

MindzEye
03-17-2011, 03:45 PM
I was thinking he was a late first rounder.

Tikhonov was taken 28th in that draft and signed for 1.175

In fairness, he was paid a bit above where his slot suggests he should have (850-900K) but that's about the right number.

Karlsson went 2 slots above Gardiner and signed for 1.3 million, Colborne 1 slot above and signed for 1.1 million

hockeylover
03-17-2011, 04:35 PM
so we'd officially burn a year of ELC even if he's called up for one game?

pretty sure the usual 10 game thing applies...

hockeylover
03-17-2011, 08:04 PM
Matt Frattin is officially a Top 10 finalist for the Hobey Baker Award.

hockeylover
03-18-2011, 09:56 PM
Tonight:
McKegg 2 goals (48 and 49th)
Frattin 1 goal 1 assist
Devane 1 goal 1 assist
Kitchener 1 assist

McKegg finishes his regular season with 49 g 43 a 92 pts in 66 games played.

At this point these would be the potential playoff matchups involving Leaf prospects:
1st Owen Sound (Blacker) vs. 8th London
3rd Kitchener (Crescenzi, D'Amigo) vs 6th Plymouth (Devane)
4th Windsor (Ryan) vs 5th Erie (McKegg)
3rd Niagara vs 6th Brampton (Carrick)

Matt Frattin just broke a 3-3 tie with CC and UND to put the Sioux up by one. Less than 3 minutes left. His 34th goal this year.

Metalleaf
03-18-2011, 10:24 PM
How many games are left for McKegg to hit 50?

hockeylover
03-18-2011, 10:36 PM
He's done for the year unfortunately. Finishes with 49 goals, 92 points. Pretty awesome totals though. 8th in the OHL.

MindzEye's PPG Mark
2009-2010 67 games played, 85 points 1.27 ppg
2010-2011 66 games played, 92 points 1.39 ppg

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btw, the Sioux play the Denver Pioneers tomorrow for the WCHA championship.

Matt Frattin: 40GP 34G 22A 56PTS

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 01:28 PM
Kristo, who also sustained frostbite on the hand he used to dig in the snow, said his foot was white when he got to the apartment. He wrapped it up and called Frattin and Trupp to tell them what had happened. They immediately went to the girl’s apartment. “My first reaction was that I don’t know what to think,” Kristo said. “I knew I had to warm up it, but you don’t know many people who have had frostbite.” Kristo told his teammates that he didn’t have feeling in his foot and they decided to take him to the hospital. Frattin threw Kristo (whose foot was wrapped) on his shoulders and carried him to the car and got Kristo to Altru [Hospital].

http://www.thedickinsonpress.com/event/article/id/46082/

Metalleaf
03-19-2011, 01:37 PM
Lawn mower throwing, frostbite saving, styling and profiling, Matt Frattin.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 01:54 PM
1. David Rundblad
2. Jared Cowen
3. Robin Lehner
4. Jakob Silfverberg
5. Bobby Butler
6. Patrick Wiercioch
7. Colin Greening
8. Jim O'Brien
9. Erik Condra
10. Eric Gryba

Hey, will someone explain to me how this group of prospects is ranked 16th by THN and we're like 27th or something? Totally puzzling.

LeafGm
03-19-2011, 01:54 PM
Geez, where the hell is that Kristo kid from? Going out in tennis shoes with no socks in deep snow at night when it's minus-33?

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 01:55 PM
Yeah, he's from Minnesota, you'd think he'd know better. Clearly an idiot.

Metalleaf
03-19-2011, 01:56 PM
Habs prospect too...

leafman101
03-19-2011, 03:38 PM
Just watching the Marlies game, Gardiner is awesome. Pretty sure he could play in the NHL now.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 03:46 PM
Everyone else watching the Marlies game appears to agree with you, Leafman.

thejustinfisher Justin Fisher
The fact that he just turned pro doesn't seem to have kicked in for #Leafs' prospect Jake Gardiner.

Gardiner has skated well, and handle the puck well under pressure so far. Isn't fazed by the better competition at all. #Leafs #Marlies

416_musings
Jake Gardiner with some confident plays on the PP. Stickhandles away under pressure. Fluid skating. Strong on the puck. #Marlies #Leafs

zeke
03-19-2011, 03:47 PM
I like this kid much more than Colborne, for the record.

Artnes
03-19-2011, 03:49 PM
Burke done did good with this one. Hopefully his game can translate well to the NHL

leafman101
03-19-2011, 03:51 PM
I love the way he can get the puck in his own end and easily get it out of danger. Very Kaberle-esq.

Seems to be really smart too in terms of knowing when to jump up in the play. And he uses his size and speed to be aggressive in his own end.

Like what I'm seeing.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 04:30 PM
Prospect thread over at HFboards was named Gardiner Expressway when we acquired him.

Alfamale
03-19-2011, 05:32 PM
parade route?

MindzEye
03-19-2011, 05:36 PM
1. David Rundblad
2. Jared Cowen
3. Robin Lehner
4. Jakob Silfverberg
5. Bobby Butler
6. Patrick Wiercioch
7. Colin Greening
8. Jim O'Brien
9. Erik Condra
10. Eric Gryba

Hey, will someone explain to me how this group of prospects is ranked 16th by THN and we're like 27th or something? Totally puzzling.

I've been called crazy for advancing this theory, but there is a very clear anti Leaf bias in the general hockey media.

Only 4 of that top 10 would make our top 10.

JaysCyYoung
03-19-2011, 05:40 PM
I would put three in there.

MindzEye
03-19-2011, 05:45 PM
I included Silfverberg in mine, his SEL production is pretty good this year considering his age. I would rank him as a slightly better prospect than the #10 on my Leaf list right now, Brad Ross.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 05:51 PM
Are we still considering Aulie/Reimer prospects?

JaysCyYoung
03-19-2011, 05:58 PM
Until the end of the year. Next season they will have "graduated," at least according to the system Irish and I typically employ, which is comparable to the NHL's Calder Trophy eligibility requirements.

MindzEye
03-19-2011, 06:00 PM
I am, neither have played enough games to not be considered prospects imo.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 06:21 PM
Kadri, Reimer, Aulie, Colborne, Gardiner, Blacker, McKegg, Scrivens, Ross, D'Amigo?

I know Zeke's has Caputi, lol.

Alfamale
03-19-2011, 06:26 PM
kadri should be down with the marlies, getting the playoff exp. he's been mishandled all year.

MindzEye
03-19-2011, 06:36 PM
Kadri, Reimer, Aulie, Colborne, Gardiner, Blacker, McKegg, Scrivens, Ross, D'Amigo?

I know Zeke's has Caputi, lol.

Yeah, that's about right. Not quite in that order personally, but that's the gang of characters I have in mine with guys like Caputi, Frattin, & Rynnas nibbling at the edges of it to get in.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 06:41 PM
Yeah, that's about right. Not quite in that order personally, but that's the gang of characters I have in mine with guys like Caputi, Frattin, & Rynnas nibbling at the edges of it to get in.

Yeah, I was being indecisive about order so I thought I'd just list 'em.

Few guys out of the top 10 that are having pretty solid years, like our Hobey Baker candidate.

MindzEye
03-19-2011, 06:59 PM
It's going to be interesting to see where kids like Olden & Nicholls slot in next year. Does Olden come over, or is he still another 1-2 years away from North American action, does Nicholls stick around in the WHL or make the jump to the AHL? (which his scoring numbers suggest he's ready for)

Not to mention the stockpile of picks we now have for our very solid scouting staff to work with, and we could graduate a bunch of our prospects next year (Reimer, Kadri, Aulie & even Scrivens) and still have a better group next year than we have this year.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 07:02 PM
Nicholls has another year of CHL eligibility so he won't be with the Marlies.

mbow30
03-19-2011, 07:03 PM
the more i look at this draft the more hopeful i am that burke just holds on to the two mid-to-high 20s picks. use one on a safe pick, and another on a diamond in the rough. based on everything i've heard about this year's draft, unless he can move into the top 5 (and i don't think you'll be able to short of giving up a legitimate asset like kadri, schenn or kessel) i think you're better off with two chances in the 20-range than one in the 10-15 range.

unless you see a can't miss there i think it would be a folly to use the pair to move up.

Cojo
03-19-2011, 07:05 PM
Or use both picks to acquire a young impact player.

mbow30
03-19-2011, 07:05 PM
Or use both picks to acquire a young impact player.

what young impact player are you going to get for the 25th and 30th picks in a weak draft?

JaysCyYoung
03-19-2011, 07:05 PM
unless you see a can't miss there i think it would be a folly to use the pair to move up.

http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.thehockeynews.com/imgs/dynamique/photos/original/article_36503_2.jpg&sa=X&ei=6zWFTYW1EYOltwf8mf3QBA&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNHiLPC5Z2n9U6hSzzdEzmaM2_cNVg

leafman101
03-19-2011, 07:08 PM
I'd use them to trade up into the 10-12 range if you could get a guy like Strome, Murphy or Hurbedeau.

Other than that I don't see much of a difference between the guys available in the 10-15 range and the 20-30 range. In fact there seems to be a pretty big group of prospects after the top 8 or so that could go anywhere from 10 to the 2nd round depending on what different teams think of them.

Cojo
03-19-2011, 07:20 PM
what young impact player are you going to get for the 25th and 30th picks in a weak draft?

Never said they would, i said use them though.

Better to put them to good use then to waste them on a small chance they actually become an impact player.

leafman101
03-19-2011, 07:22 PM
At least one impact player will go in the 20-30 range. Even the worst drafts have those. Probably more.

Given the success Morrison and crew have had in the later rounds, I'd be willing to give them a shot to be the guys to find those players.

IrishWolfman
03-19-2011, 07:30 PM
I'm seeing these two as Leafs on Draft Day.

http://ohl.uploads.mrx.ca/oshawa/images/en/rosteraction/2010/10/jensen13743.jpg

http://c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000Wpd7W3ZUj9g/s/750/750/Puempel-4.JPG

leafman101
03-19-2011, 07:34 PM
Irish what do you think of Zack Phillips and Mark Scheifele?

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 07:34 PM
Puempel 55 GP 34 G 35 A 69 PTS 1.25 PPG
Jensen 59 GP 29 G 29 A 58 PTS 0.98 PPG

IrishWolfman
03-19-2011, 07:51 PM
Irish what do you think of Zack Phillips and Mark Scheifele?

Zack Philips - Pass. Passenger on a hot team.

Mark Scheifele - Has grown on me as the season's gone on. He's turned into a more imposing force, he's using his size better.

JaysCyYoung
03-19-2011, 08:22 PM
If the Leafs got Puempel I would shit bricks. On pure talent alone he's a top ten overall selection easily.

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 10:11 PM
Frattin's Sioux are up 2-1 in the WCHA final going into the 3rd period.
Nicholls with 1 goal.
Carrick with 1 assist.
Devane with 1 goal.
Ryan with 1 goal, 2 assists.
Blacker with 1 assist.

BTW, Devane has really picked it up in the last little while. Something like 30 points in his last 31 games or close to that after really shitting the bed earlier in the year.

IrishWolfman
03-19-2011, 10:29 PM
Another kid who's going to be a big time target of Burkie's at the draft.

http://www.paherald.sk.ca/media/photos/unis/2010/11/08/photo_1248661_resize.jpg

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 10:32 PM
McNeill 70 GP 32 G 49 A 81 PTS

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 10:45 PM
Denver tied it. UND-Denver WCHA Final game headed to OT.

Let's hope for a game winner by Frattin.

Metalleaf
03-19-2011, 10:51 PM
don't suppose there is a place to watch this right?

hockeylover
03-19-2011, 10:56 PM
http://www.fightingsioux.com/newLiveStats/IceHockey/index.dbml?GAME_STAT_ID=542633&db_oem_id=13500

This will have updates.

Mega
03-19-2011, 11:14 PM
http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=802&id=103826

This guy seems confident.

Metalleaf
03-20-2011, 12:00 AM
Frattin just scored the GWG

Metalleaf
03-20-2011, 12:13 AM
http://www.wcha.com/images/20102011/special/031811b/photo14.jpg

http://www.wcha.com/men/recaps11.php?mcc_ndk1.m18

Metalleaf
03-20-2011, 12:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYauGIXe1s

MindzEye
03-20-2011, 12:59 AM
http://www.nextnature.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/lawn-mower_530.jpg

MindzEye
03-20-2011, 12:59 AM
http://www.wintle1.com/images/Doug%20Lawnmower%20Man2.JPG

Metalleaf
03-20-2011, 12:59 AM
Nice Lexus

MindzEye
03-20-2011, 01:01 AM
http://bicyclefreaksforchrist.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/john-deere-chopper-lawn-mower.jpg

IrishWolfman
03-20-2011, 01:23 AM
Fratts is gonna be persona non grata with Colborne and Bozak when he gets to TO. Go Sioux!

mbow30
03-20-2011, 03:25 AM
At least one impact player will go in the 20-30 range. Even the worst drafts have those. Probably more.

Given the success Morrison and crew have had in the later rounds, I'd be willing to give them a shot to be the guys to find those players.

going back to 2000, the 20-30 picks are no worse than the 10-19 picks. i'm just eyeballing this, but the chances of picking an impact player are about equal (i think the only draft to net more than one impact player between 10 and 19 was 2003). the chances of picking a guy who becomes a regular nhl'er are marginally higher at 10-19. but that difference is more than mitigated by the fact that you'd have 2 chances in the 20-30 range.

especially in this draft, imo, two chances are better than one, unless you can get into the top five.

MindzEye
03-20-2011, 06:44 AM
The only thing that concerns me with that logic is that other weak drafts (specifically 98, 99, & 02) don't really follow that pattern with only 5 solid players (Gagne, Gomez, Ward, Steen, Havlat) coming out of the 20-30 slots.

If this draft roughly follows suit (and it's the depth of it that has been the concern to my knowledge) we're looking at a 1/7 shot with each pick of getting something better than Nick Boynton). Something else that needs to be noted is that none of those players (Ward excepted) is a "Burke" type draft pick. It might be the easiest place in the draft to over rate physicality when pure skill should be what you're taking a flier on. Burke even seemed to do that last year with the Brad Ross selection, while leaving more dynamic offensive players like Toffoli, Hamilton,& Spooner on the board as well as an elite goaltending prospect like Pickard. He clearly didn't go for the high upside homerun swing, he took a guy who plays the way he likes. I expect more of the same out of the two picks we have in the 1st round (if he doesn't trade them)

hockeylover
03-20-2011, 08:13 AM
Heh, went to bed last night before the end of the game since I had to work this morning but not at all surprised to see Frattin had the game winner. That's the game winner in both the WCHA semi final vs Colorado College AND in the final. I'm pretty sure that's the most goals in a season by a Sioux player since Brandon Bochenski.

hockeylover
03-20-2011, 08:24 AM
Ah, he actually tied Bochenski for most goals (35) since the 1990-1991 season (40). Nice. Also named Final Five MVP.

hockeylover
03-20-2011, 10:03 AM
John Buccigross tweets that its a two player race for the Hobey Baker: Miami's Andy Miele and Frattin.

mbow30
03-20-2011, 11:09 AM
The only thing that concerns me with that logic is that other weak drafts (specifically 98, 99, & 02) don't really follow that pattern with only 5 solid players (Gagne, Gomez, Ward, Steen, Havlat) coming out of the 20-30 slots.

If this draft roughly follows suit (and it's the depth of it that has been the concern to my knowledge) we're looking at a 1/7 shot with each pick of getting something better than Nick Boynton). Something else that needs to be noted is that none of those players (Ward excepted) is a "Burke" type draft pick. It might be the easiest place in the draft to over rate physicality when pure skill should be what you're taking a flier on. Burke even seemed to do that last year with the Brad Ross selection, while leaving more dynamic offensive players like Toffoli, Hamilton,& Spooner on the board as well as an elite goaltending prospect like Pickard. He clearly didn't go for the high upside homerun swing, he took a guy who plays the way he likes. I expect more of the same out of the two picks we have in the 1st round (if he doesn't trade them)

but what solid players were taken between 10 and 19 in those drafts

1998 had a few.. 1999 had none (and was in fact better from 21-30)

but those drafts are ancient now, anyways.

the question is this: what gives you a better shot at grabbing that diamond-in-the rough?

it's a matter of probability. between 10 and 30, in the 2002 draft the best players, imo, in order, are semin, ward and steen.

ward and steen went at 24 and 25.

i like the odds of hitting that home run with with 2 picks more than 1. there is just nto enough disparity in terms of quality of prospect, imo, between 10 and 30 in this draft to really make it worthwhile.

mbow30
03-20-2011, 11:13 AM
02 is actually an interesting test case. i think it bears a lot of similarities to this year's. if you recall, predictions were all over the board, and there were a slew of guys projected anywhere from 15-60. some thought hudler should have gone in the top -- he fell to the late 50s. and it isn't as if guys like keith, stajan and fleischmann came out of nowhere.

those guys wouldn't have been reaches late in the first round that year. which, imo, would have made a couple of late firsts very, very valuable in that draft. teams could have done very well with some diligent scouting/smart drafting in that year.

if 2011 is anything like that, i'd love to be the team that is just smart with its picks. because some team might have pulled a keith or a hudler late in the first round, and been much happier than they were with slater, bergenheim, etc.

leafman101
03-20-2011, 11:38 AM
I don't even really think the first round is that bad this year. Its worse because there are no high end elite prospect. But if you threw Hall and Seguin at the top and pushed everyone else down it would seem to be a pretty normal draft. Certainly no 2003, or even 2010, but there seem to be a lot of quality players into the 20s and 30s. Last year there were quality players into the 3rd and 4th rounds with guys like McKegg, Martindale, Weal, Shugg, Pulkkinen, Kuehnhackl, etc. I think that is why people call this draft weak. Because there are no legit elite prospects, and the depth beyond the first round isn't looking great at this point.

I think there will be quality players in the 20-30 range though. And at least a couple of them will turn into studs.

Here are some names to check out, Alexander Khocklachev, Sven Bartchie, Mika Zibanajed, Niklas Jensen, Zack Phillips, Jamie Oleksiak, Matt Puempel, Myles Bell, Mark McNeill, Daniel Catenaccci, Mark Scheifele, Brandon Saad, Micheal St. Croix, Joel Armia, Vladislav Namestnikov, Ty Rattie.

leafman101
03-20-2011, 11:45 AM
And don't forget, the Leafs don't just have 2 chances, they have 3 picks in the top 40 right now.

They could easily move the 2nd, to move up from 25ish into the teens and still keep the 2nd first if they have a guy they want to trade up for.

Metalleaf
03-20-2011, 12:14 PM
Michigan Wolverines vs. Notre Dame is actually being televised on LeafsTV right now if you are interested.

Nevermind, its a replay from yesterday.

hockeylover
03-20-2011, 01:36 PM
WCHA FINAL FIVE: Frattin, Sioux do it again


ST. PAUL — As the teams stood on their blue lines, waiting for the trophy presentation, the crowd of 16,731 let out a booming “Ho-bey, Ba-ker” chant.

Matt Frattin may not have won that award on Saturday night, but his dramatic heroics did produce another trophy for the Sioux in this impressive season.

The Hobey Baker Award finalist from Edmonton buried a rebound at 5:11 of the second overtime to give the Sioux a 3-2 win over the University of Denver in the championship game of the Western Collegiate Hockey Association Final Five.
...
Frattin, named the MVP of the Final Five, scored the game-winning goal in both games in the Xcel Energy Center.

“He’s been doing it all year,” Sioux captain Chay Genoway said.

hockeylover
03-20-2011, 02:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYauGIXe1s

Alfamale
03-20-2011, 03:02 PM
difficult one timer right into the center o' the net. nice.

Metalleaf
03-20-2011, 03:06 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IYauGIXe1s

way to re-post what I posted last night :D

hockeylover
03-20-2011, 03:27 PM
Ah, sorry Metalleaf. I guess I missed it. Thanks for posting. :)

Metalleaf
03-20-2011, 03:36 PM
Yeah, after you posted that link, I followed the live updates, as soon as he scored I scoured the net for video.

mbow30
03-20-2011, 06:54 PM
just got back from the knights-rangers game... i don't watch much junior hockey (this was the first jr. game i've watched all year) so i can't purport to be an authority, and my observations have to be tempered by the fact that it was only one game. so what i say might not be of much value, because who knows who was playing hurt, who was coasting, who was just having an off game, etc. etc. etc.

but anyways... first the good.

jerry d'amigo has come a long way since the rookie tournament. they have obviously worked with him on bending his knees more and lengthening his stride. his skating was much better. he was a lot quicker. easily, he was the best player on the ice between the two tames. he was difficult to contain down low, and his instincts both with and away from the puck are very good. he goes to the net. he's elusive on the perimeter. he's good at digging out pucks. he has terrific hands, too. like with all smallish players it will come down to his ability to withstand the physicality of the professional game, but i think the leafs have a very good prospect on their hands with him. he obviously wasn't quite ready to make the jump to the ahl, especially with the adjustments he had to make to his skating... but i am excited to see what he does next year. he might even emerge as a darkhorse to crack the roster, if they open up a spot. when he first made the jump from collegiate he was a skilled and heady player with average speed and poor skating. now he's a skilled and heady player with good speed and he's become a solid skater, to boot. very excited about him.

bobkov also played a great game. it has been a difficult year for him, but he looked a little reimer-esque. this might have just been a lightning-in-a-bottle game from him, though, because his numbers on the year have been pretty terrible. in any event, he has an enormous frame, he didn't get rattled with the rangers started running him a bit, he did a good job of getting his body on pucks, and his rebound control was very good. like i said, it might have been a fluke game, but he definitely showed something tonight.

and the bad...

gabriel landeskog. if i wasn't looking for him i wouldn't have noticed him. he was invisible. there was absolutely no 'wow' factor whatsoever. it was only one game but i didn't see a single thing that would make me think that this guy is top-of-the-draft worthy. again, he might have just had a bad game, but the fact that he's being bandied about as a #1 pick says a lot about this draft. he was completely invisible, soft on the puck... he did absolutely nothing of note.

it was very disappointing, to say the least.

teeds
03-20-2011, 10:08 PM
You actually didn't say anythin about the guy that is definitely the most enjoyable to watch out of all of them. Ryan Murphy. I saw Landeskog myself on Friday night and saw nuthin great either, and I said don't shoot the messenger, and it may have been a bad night but...... there might be the potential for a bust there. Or bust for first overall expectations.

And D'Amigo is quite perceptive in terms of lanes,but his skating is real, real weak, STILL imo.

teeds
03-20-2011, 10:12 PM
And Frattin might make it, but it will be because of his heart, not any of his skills. He is small, and old for a prospect these days. But I think he might edge out a Crabb or a Boyce on heart. Knowing Burke he will make him produce at the AHL level before he is allowed to do any of that.

teeds
03-20-2011, 10:30 PM
Before going to bed, I just read this article. And I agree with EVERYTHING the author says. My MLSE guy says the Leafs are NOT excited at all about kadri and that Burke once AGAIN, will try to peddle him at the draft.

I think that they had a real GEM in Kadri and killed him last summer. And its JUST the stupidity of the MLSE training staff that Nazem is appearing so slow.

If a team picks up this kid, I hope he comes back and really bites us in the ass. He is just a very unique player, that needs special conditioning to bring out that amazing on ice vision and hand set. Too bad, MLSE has NEVER been good at development, and its STILL the case imo.


http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Brian-Huddle/More-Vaca-Questions-Nazem-Kadri-Tyler-Seguin-Ryan-Johansen--Others/153/34540

MindzEye
03-20-2011, 11:51 PM
Heh, you agree with an article written before Kadri goes out and pops 2 points in a win against Boston, looking pretty good in the process.

Yeah, he has things to work on like nearly every 20 yr old who has ever played the game, in his case it's 100% conditioning, the rest of his game is NHL ready.

LeafGm
03-21-2011, 12:03 AM
...an article also written by some hack volunteer blogger on Eklund's website.

teeds
03-21-2011, 07:09 AM
Well what are we? We are all in effect volunteers? Kadri has sublime hands. And at a light weight he had nice speed as well. No question he needed more hip strength, but what did the MLSE braintrust do? They put on 15 pounds on the kid, virtually overnight. Dumbbbbbbbbb.

I think Kadri is sooo determined he can get past this type of shit, but why inflict it, in the first place.

Burke is a great accumulator. NOW he has to accumulate some training staff, that is in the present and a bit of the future. Not circa 1954.

teeds
03-21-2011, 07:13 AM
We ourselves, are all volunteers. And Joey Crabb got three points, so what? Its all about being the best that you can be. And MLSE started Kadri off by almost ruining him.

We have a GM who is a great accumulator. We have a shit coach. And we have a SHIT training staff. I am all for us getting to excellent in all three categories. Aren't you? Or are you satisfied with a rotund full of shit skating coach and Ron Wilson? And a physical trainer who puts 15 pounds on a kid in one summer? And has him drive 3 hours a day to do it? If that is your idea of excellence.......

hockeylover
03-21-2011, 10:04 AM
D'Amigo 2 goals
Crescenzi 1 assist
Ross 1 assist

CHL Playoff Matchups Involving Leaf Prospects
1st Saskatoon (Nicholls) vs 8th Prince Albert - Game 1 Saturday at 9:05
1st Portland (Ross) vs 8th Everett - Game 1 Saturday at 10:00
3rd Niagara vs 6th Brampton (Carrick) - Game 1 Thursday at 7:00
1st Owen Sound (Blacker) vs 8th London - Game 1 Friday at 7:30
3rd Kitchener (Crescenzi, D'Amigo) vs 6th Plymouth (Devane) - Game 1 Friday at 7:30
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Metalleaf
03-21-2011, 03:57 PM
Leafs sign RIT College FA Tyler Brenner

http://mapleleafs.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=556754


Leafs Sign Tyler Brenner
Monday, 21.03.2011 / 3:40 PM / Press Releases
Brian Burke, President and General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs, announced Monday that the hockey club has signed forward Tyler Brenner to a two-year entry level contract. Brenner will report to the American Hockey League’s Toronto Marlies for the remainder of the season.

Brenner, a 22-year-old native of Linwood, Ontario, has played the last three seasons for the NCAA’s Rochester Institute of Technology Tigers (RIT). This season the 6-2, 200-pound forward played 37 games for RIT registering 26 goals, 15 assists and 41 points along with 39 penalty minutes. He ranked first on the Tigers in goals and powerplay goals (11), and second in points.
He was named the Atlantic Hockey Association’s (AHA) player of the week for the period ending January 2 when he recorded eight points (six goals, two assists) in three games. As well, he became the fifth player in RIT history to record 100 career points when he scored a goal March 11 in the AHA Quarterfinals. In 2008-09, he was named to the AHA All-Rookie Team.

The Toronto Marlies’ next home game will take place on Saturday, March 26 at 3 p.m. when they host the Lake Erie Monsters (AHL affiliate of the Colorado Avalanche) at Ricoh Coliseum. For ticket information, including season ticket packages and priority seating, visit www.marlies.ca or call the team’s ticket line at 416-597-PUCK.

MindzEye
03-21-2011, 04:06 PM
http://hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=107659


Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM
2008-09 R.I.T. AHA 38 14 21 35 35
2009-10 R.I.T. AHA 33 15 11 26 24
2010-11 R.I.T. AHA 37 26 15 41 39

zeke
03-21-2011, 04:10 PM
what is AHA?

IrishWolfman
03-21-2011, 04:13 PM
what is AHA?

1. WCHA
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2. Hockey East
3. CCHA
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4. ECAC
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5. AHA

zeke
03-21-2011, 04:20 PM
thought as much.

any idea about this kid? he seems to have size, grit, and production....can he skate?

JaysCyYoung
03-21-2011, 04:21 PM
I've never heard of him before. Seems like a Brayden Irwin type signing although Brenner isn't 6'5 and built like Optimus Prime so my expectations for this shall remain minimal at best.

mbow30
03-21-2011, 04:24 PM
any blueliner that scores 26 in 41 games has either some serious skill or a legitimate point shot.

but he probably doesn't have the skating, or instincts to be an nhl'er.

still might be worth a shot. that's some damn impressive production.

zeke
03-21-2011, 04:30 PM
think he's a winger.

mbow30
03-21-2011, 04:31 PM
hockeydb says defence.

zeke
03-21-2011, 04:32 PM
think he switched.

hockeylover
03-21-2011, 05:35 PM
Brenner apparently had five NHL offers including Anaheim and Boston

number17
03-22-2011, 10:31 AM
There's a Brenner interview on FAN590 ... what scares me is he sounds a bit geeky and has the Spezza laugh ... !!! He doesn't really say much and the interviewer is a retard ... you'd think "what are the strengths of your game" would be a no brainer but instead he was asking if he can manage his own finances ... like, WTH??! He is a Leaf fan and his whole family follow the Leafs so he's pretty excited about the signing.

johnunit
03-22-2011, 10:33 AM
Brenner...Wilson will like him. He'll have no idea what to nickname him though.

BG
03-22-2011, 10:45 AM
RIT website lists him at forward.


#16 Tyler Brenner

Position: Forward
Height: 6-2
Weight: 200
Class: Junior
Hometown: Linwood, Ontario
High School:

Career: Leads all Tigers at the Division I level with 10 game-winning goals … fifth with 14 power-play tallies … tied for sixth with 29 goals.

2009-10: Finished second on the team with 15 goals, despite missing time due to injury … named to the NCAA East Regional All-Tournament Team … scored two goals, including the go-ahead goal and was plus-4 in RIT’s 6-2 win over New Hampshire in the NCAA East Regional Championship … named to the Atlantic Hockey All-Tournament Team … scored RIT’s lone goal in the Frozen Four loss to Wisconsin … recorded 23 points (12-11-23) over his last 19 games … chipped in with five power-play goals … led RIT with four game-winning goals … tallied 18 points (10-8-18) and was plus-11 in 20 AHA games … recorded three assists in a 5-2 win over Army … scored two goals and added an assist in a 5-2 win over Sacred Heart … tallied two goals in a 5-3 win at AIC … recorded 11 points (3-8-11) during a five-game point scoring streak, Jan. 30 to Feb. 13 … scored a point in 17 contests … Tigers were 14-3-0 in those games … recorded seven multiple-point efforts.

2008-09: Finished second on the squad and third among all Division I rookies with 35 points … named to the AHA All-Rookie Team … won the Craig Lauzon Award, as the Tigers top rookie … scored his first collegiate goal in a 2-1 win at Western Michigan … named the AHA Rookie of the Week, Oct. 13 … had a point in eight straight games, Dec. 12 to Jan. 17 … finished the season with 25 points (8-17-25) over his last 22 games … led RIT with nine power-play and six game-winning tallies … tied for fourth nationally with six game-winning goals … dished out a season-best three assists, all in the third period, and was plus-3 in a 5-3 win over Connecticut … scored two goals in game three of the AHA Quarterfinals, a 9-5 win … added a goal and two assists the night before, leading RIT to a 6-4 win in game two … recorded a point in 26 games … Tigers were 19-5-2 when he scored a point … tallied six multiple-point efforts … named to the AHA All-Academic team.

Before RIT: Played for the Elmira (Ontario) Sugar Kings of the Midwestern Junior Hockey League (MWJHL) … led the league with 41 goals, including 18 tallies with the man-advantage in 2006-07 … Midwestern Junior Hockey League All-Star in 2007… scored 41 goals and added 35 assists for 76 points in 46 games … tallied four shorthanded goals … added two goals and 12 assists for 14 points in 11 playoff games.

Personal: Business major … attended Elmira (Ontario) Secondary School … born April 5, 1988, in Waterloo, Ontario … son of Brad and Shelley Brenner … has one sister, Contessa … favorite NHL player is Alexander Ovechkin of the Washington Capitals … favorite NHL team is the Toronto Maple Leafs … would like to vacation in Spain and France … favorite food is chicken … enjoys fishing … would like to meet Bobby Orr … favorite TV show is Entourage … favorite movie is Sex in the City … favorite music performer is Shania Twain … would like to fly if he had superhero powers.

Career Highs
Goals: 2, four times, most recently March 27, 2010 vs. New Hampshire
Assists: 3, twice, most recently Feb. 13, 2010 at Army
Points: 3, five times, most recently Feb. 13, 2010 at Army
Plus/Minus: plus-4, March 27, 2010 vs. New Hampshire
Shots: 11, Oct. 24, 2008 at Sacred Heart
Penalty Minutes: 17, Nov. 15, 2008 vs. Army

“Tyler got off to a slow start, but was a dominant forward by the end of the season. Tyler is a candidate for All-AHA honors, as he has tremendous size and goal-scoring abilities.” — Coach Wilson

BG
03-22-2011, 10:56 AM
Brenner...Wilson will like him. He'll have no idea what to nickname him though.

Gotta be Brenns.

teeds
03-22-2011, 11:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hkWc3bPZC8 American College strikes me as around JUNIOR B quality hockey, is that accurate? Or is it slightly better than that?

I saw a playoff Junior B game last year between Kitchener Dutchmen and Waterloo Siskins, like a game seven, and it was so bad,it was unwatchable. I think my 11 year old could have made either team. Guys were pretty bad. Hope they aren't planning on an NHL career.

mbow30
03-22-2011, 12:49 PM
favourite movie.. sex and the city... favourite musician.. shania.

**** that guy.

johnunit
03-22-2011, 12:51 PM
that's gotta be a dare or something.

number17
03-22-2011, 03:08 PM
favourite movie.. sex and the city... favourite musician.. shania.

**** that guy.That's why he was never drafted.

Volcanologist
03-22-2011, 05:03 PM
favourite movie.. sex and the city... favourite musician.. shania.

**** that guy.

I guess the Leaf scouts operate on a "don't ask, don't tell" policy...

Metalleaf
03-22-2011, 06:30 PM
Throw him into the Tlusty pile.

JaysCyYoung
03-22-2011, 06:31 PM
http://www.google.com/url?source=imgres&ct=img&q=http://www.insidesocal.com/outinhollywood/.aaaaaaahockey.jpg&sa=X&ei=ACKJTYmhFc33gAf-r6DBDQ&ved=0CAQQ8wc&usg=AFQjCNGkHmoqBR8wLU1zB-4aCwY7ibEMnQ

Metalleaf
03-22-2011, 06:33 PM
Is that Tyler Brenner in the background?

LeafGm
03-22-2011, 06:39 PM
Ahhh Tlusty, you stupid bastard.

JaysCyYoung
03-22-2011, 06:49 PM
He really was a dumbass wasn't he? With that skillset there's no reason he couldn't have been a big-time skilled forward in this league, comparable to a Havlat, and yet he had absolutely zero hockey sense. One of the few bad draft selections under Morrison and company.

teeds
03-22-2011, 06:53 PM
I watched him play, and quite honestly, I am not going to go hard on you, but spare yourself a barrage of bashing, don't compare Tlusty to Havlat again. An elephant and a mosquito in terms of talent. I watched Tlusty a LOT. Not much better than that other idiot who took off for the KHL that we had from the Quebec League.

JaysCyYoung
03-22-2011, 06:56 PM
We ALL watched Tlusty a lot. He had skill and talent in SPADES. He had absolutely nothing upstairs though and that was his problem.

leafman101
03-22-2011, 06:57 PM
That wasn't really Morrison's fault. That was the draft where they fired Trapp like 2 weeks before the draft.

teeds
03-22-2011, 07:03 PM
We ALL watched Tlusty a lot. He had skill and talent in SPADES. He had absolutely nothing upstairs though and that was his problem.

I disagree, he was FLASHY, but when you picked his game apart, he could NOT do what Havlat could do, not in a million years. His stickhandling for one, was terrible, and because of that, he could NEVER rush with the puck like Havlat.

Sorry, I will never concede that Tlusty had any real talent. He had a flashy style, but I shut down guys like him to this day, with both hands tied behind my back. I would be lucky to stop Havlat one out of three times. TOTALLY different universes.

I am stunned that Tlusty is even in the NHL. I would be amazed to EVER see him get more than 7 goals in a season. He is just SO shut DOWNABLE.

teeds
03-22-2011, 07:05 PM
Some guys look GREAT, but they have no depth to their games whatsoever. And they make no attempt to improve, thinking that some day, that JUNIOR C move will actually work. Mitchell coming over the blueline for example?

JaysCyYoung
03-22-2011, 07:05 PM
No, he was just stupid.

JaysCyYoung
03-22-2011, 07:05 PM
Some guys look GREAT, but they have no depth to their games whatsoever. And they make no attempt to improve, thinking that some day, that JUNIOR C move will actually work. Mitchell coming over the blueline for example?

Mitchell has the same problem. He has no hockey sense. He's a pinhead.

Preston_Mizzi
03-22-2011, 07:27 PM
Nah.. it was more than just stupidity.. for one he was an awkward skater with an awkward stride. Wasn't very agile or explosive, and that really hurt him more than anything especially considering he wasn't exactly a powerhouse out there.

teeds
03-22-2011, 08:11 PM
Nah.. it was more than just stupidity.. for one he was an awkward skater with an awkward stride. Wasn't very agile or explosive, and that really hurt him more than anything especially considering he wasn't exactly a powerhouse out there.

AGREE COMPLETELY. Whether you are talking about Mitchell OR Tlusty. And Mitchell has one BIG thing over Tlusty. He can dangle and SCORE in overtime. Not many guys can lay claim to that. Tlusty is the WORST of everyone. Not a talent, just had a Bobby Orr skating style on the surface, with no real NHL moves beyond the skating "style".

Habspatrol
03-22-2011, 08:31 PM
Another kid who's going to be a big time target of Burkie's at the draft.

http://www.paherald.sk.ca/media/photos/unis/2010/11/08/photo_1248661_resize.jpg

Why not post the name? I notice you post all these pictures and I have to do research just to figure out who it is. Most of us aren't big junior hockey followers.

IrishWolfman
03-22-2011, 08:35 PM
Why not post the name? I notice you post all these pictures and I have to do research just to figure out who it is. Most of us aren't big junior hockey followers.

Sorry,

the Prince Albert Raider is Mark McNeill
The Peterborough Pete is Matt Puempel
The Oshawa General is Nicklas Jensen

hockeylover
03-22-2011, 08:38 PM
I posted the stats for each player right under his posts, HP! :)

Habspatrol
03-22-2011, 08:44 PM
Sorry,

the Prince Albert Raider is Mark McNeill
The Peterborough Pete is Matt Puempel
The Oshawa General is Nicklas Jensen
No worries, just wanted to whine a bit.

I posted the stats for each player right under his posts, HP! :)

Hah I noticed that only AFTER I whined.

Habspatrol
03-22-2011, 09:30 PM
Add another exception to ME's 1.2 PPG after the draft year theory.

Milan Lucic scored 30 goals and 68 points in 70 games the year after he was drafted. He just scored his 30 goal of the year and now has 55 points in 69 games too.

Obviously the theory is good, it just has exceptions.

JaysCyYoung
03-22-2011, 09:52 PM
Lucic was also playing literally JUNIOR B the year before he made the Giants roster as a walk-on and became a second round pick that same season. He's an outlier in so many ways possible.

MindzEye
03-22-2011, 11:20 PM
Add another exception to ME's 1.2 PPG after the draft year theory.

Milan Lucic scored 30 goals and 68 points in 70 games the year after he was drafted. He just scored his 30 goal of the year and now has 55 points in 69 games too.

Obviously the theory is good, it just has exceptions.

That's fair enough, and congrats to him. I will still continue to stick with the theory that has about a 99% accuracy rate despite being incomplete and unrefined. I'll let others cling to "but maaaaybe he's an ouuuuutlier!!!!"

Habspatrol
03-23-2011, 12:10 AM
That's fair enough, and congrats to him. I will still continue to stick with the theory that has about a 99% accuracy rate despite being incomplete and unrefined. I'll let others cling to "but maaaaybe he's an ouuuuutlier!!!!"

Cool, and I definitely didn't post that to say "Hey look ME is wrong!!!" It's just because I do think that the 1.2 ppg theory has a ton of merit... and like almost every theory there are exceptions. I post these exceptions more to say "Hey look, here's a guy that's really beating the odds."

Liberace
03-23-2011, 01:09 AM
Tlusty was good.....at wrapping his tongue around my purple, glistening helmet.

number17
03-23-2011, 10:11 AM
Mitchell has the same problem. He has no hockey sense. He's a pinhead.John Mitchell you're talking about right?

Yeah. I mean, I understand why Zeke's so in love with him. He's got the speed, skating, size, and even got decent hands and a good shot. He has the makeup on a super 3rd liner / part tine 2nd liner.

But he's SO DUMB he can't even play the simple game of a 3rd liner. You know, hit everything, always get the puck deep, don't turn over, keep the game simple ... nope.

zeke
03-23-2011, 10:42 AM
the weird thing is that Mitchell sounds like a very smart guy off the ice, but it just doesn't translate to on the ice.

number17
03-23-2011, 11:14 AM
the opposite of Spezza I guess ...

teeds
03-23-2011, 11:48 AM
It is probably his belief in his dangling and ability to score at a high rate in the shootout that made him WANT more.

Mega
03-23-2011, 12:12 PM
You could be right teeds. I always got the impression he thought he was better than his actual abilities.

Sometimes he'd make a few plays that were brilliant, but then he'd follow them up with 10 games of garbage.

Mega
03-23-2011, 01:36 PM
bartsbytes John Bartlett
Marlies Cold Streaks with No Goals: Brunnstrom 20 games, Hamilton 15, Cowan 8, Hanson 4, Foster 4, Zigomanis 3, Caputi 2, Colbourne 2

Brunnstrom - ouch.

zeke
03-23-2011, 01:40 PM
I think Eakins should be fired.

Even with elite goaltending, and a very deep roster, he's managed to turn that team to crap - literally every single forward has regressed significantly offensively.

number17
03-23-2011, 02:11 PM
to be fair. for a while when both Scrivens and reimer was up here, and Rynnas was out, he had no goaltender.

And the AHL is so tight ... only a few points separate the 1st place and 9th place.