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The Green Hornet
07-12-2012, 10:32 PM
that trade just worked out as a dream scenario for Boston. its the Hamilton pick that really hurts, thankfully they wasted the second rounder on Jared Knight. I'd still make that trade 100 times out of 100 though. the risk is there when you deal picks that something like this could happen but I am happy to have Phil Kessel.

hairnova
07-12-2012, 10:36 PM
Roster for Canada Russia Challenge in August
Goaltenders
30 Malcolm Subban L 6'1 188 21/12/1993 Toronto, Ont. Belleville (OHL) 2012 Dft
31 Laurent Brossoit L 6'3 200 23/03/1993 Surrey, B.C. Edmonton (WHL) CGY '11 (6, 164)
33 Maxime Lagacé L 6'2 168 12/01/1993 St-Augustin-de-Desmaures, Que. P.E.I. (QMJHL) 2012 Dft

Defense
2 Mathew Dumba R 6'0 183 25/07/1994 Calgary, Alta. Red Deer (WHL) 2012 Dft
3 Cody Ceci R 6'2.5 207 21/12/1993 Ottawa, Ont. Ottawa (OHL) 2012 Dft
4 Dougie Hamilton R 6'4 192 17/06/1993 Toronto, Ont. Niagara (OHL) BOS '11 (1, 9)
5 Morgan Rielly L 6'0 190 09/03/1994 West Vancouver, B.C. Moose Jaw (WHL) 2012 Dft
6 Scott Harrington L 6'2.5 200 10/03/1993 Kingston, Ont. London (OHL) PIT '11 (2, 54)
8 Griffin Reinhart L 6'3.5 202 24/01/1994 West Vancouver, B.C. Edmonton (WHL) 2012 Dft
16 Xavier Ouellet L 6'0.5 185 29/07/1993 Terrebonne, Que. Blainville-Boisbriand (QMJHL) DET '11 (2, 48)
24 Ryan Murphy R 5'10.5 176 31/03/1993 Aurora, Ont. Kitchener (OHL) CAR '11 (1, 12)
27 Ryan Murray L 6'0 200 27/09/1993 White City, Sask. Everett (WHL)
29 Adam Pelech L 6'2 210 18/08/1994 Toronto, Ont. Erie (OHL) 2012 Dft

Forwards
7 Phillip Di Giuseppe L 6'1 200 09/10/1993 Maple, Ont. University of Michigan (CCHA) 2012 Dft
9 Hunter Shinkaruk L 5'10 166 13/10/1994 Calgary, Alta. Medicine Hat (WHL) 2013 Dft
10 Charles Hudon L 5'10 171 24/06/1994 Boisbriand, Que. Chicoutimi (QMJHL) 2012 Dft
11 Jonathan Huberdeau L 6'1 176 04/06/1993 St-Jérôme, Que. Saint John (QMJHL) FLA '11 (1, 3)
12 Thomas Wilson R 6'3.5 203 29/03/1994 Toronto, Ont. Plymouth (OHL) 2012 Dft
15 Kevin Roy L 5'9 170 20/05/1993 Lac Beauport, Que. Lincoln (USHL) 2012 Dft
18 Ryan Strome R 6'0 183 11/07/1993 Mississauga, Ont. Niagara (OHL) NYI ’11 (1, 5)
19 Mark Scheifele R 6'1.5 192 15/03/1993 Kitchener, Ont. Barrie (OHL) WPG ’11 (1, 7)
20 Sean Monahan L 6'2 193 12/10/1994 Brampton, Ont. Ottawa (OHL) 2013 Dft
21 Phillip Danault L 5'11.5 189 24/02/1993 Victoriaville, Que. Victoriaville (QMJHL) CHI ’11 (1, 26)
22 Boone Jenner L 6'1 205 15/06/1993 Dorchester, Ont. Oshawa (OHL) CBJ ’11 (2, 37)
23 Lukas Sutter L 6'1 202 23/01/1993 Lethbridge, Alta. Saskatoon (WHL) 2012 Dft
26 Ty Rattie R 5'11 169 05/02/1993 Airdrie, Alta. Portland (WHL) STL ’11 (2, 32)
28 Brendan Leipsic L 5'9 175 19/05/1994 Winnipeg, Man. Portland (WHL) 2012 Dft
38 Lucas Lessio L 6'1 197 23/01/1993 Maple, Ont. Oshawa (OHL) PHX ’11 (2, 56)

I'd assume Finn and Rielly have good shots at the WJC team as well.

Got tickets to both games, can't wait!

Habspatrol
07-12-2012, 10:38 PM
If the Leafs don't make that trade I think Burke makes a different trade and the standings could have been significantly different. There's no way to know who they would have drafted.

I agree with GH... a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

Metalleaf
07-12-2012, 10:41 PM
I was really hoping Boston would end up with that dweeb Hall. They got the better player in Seguin.

LeafGm
07-12-2012, 10:44 PM
Rielly is going to have to choose a new number for when he's with the big club.
Why? It'd be nice to have a defenseman who's actually good wearing #4 for us.

Metalleaf
07-12-2012, 10:47 PM
Erase memories of Dave Ellet?

LeafGm
07-12-2012, 10:48 PM
Erase memories of Dave Ellet?
I was thinking more of "backbone", personally.

Metalleaf
07-12-2012, 10:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTPUQGDMsbo

JaysCyYoung
07-12-2012, 11:49 PM
Why? It'd be nice to have a defenseman who's actually good wearing #4 for us.

He's five on that list: Barilko's number.

LeafGm
07-12-2012, 11:52 PM
He's five on that list: Barilko's number.
Yeah, but that's just because he's ceding his usual #4 to an older player (Hamilton).

Volcanologist
07-21-2012, 11:14 AM
that trade just worked out as a dream scenario for Boston. its the Hamilton pick that really hurts, thankfully they wasted the second rounder on Jared Knight. I'd still make that trade 100 times out of 100 though. the risk is there when you deal picks that something like this could happen but I am happy to have Phil Kessel.

To get a young top 6 scorer in the league for draft picks is a deal you have to do.

It's Burke's other moves that have caused any doubt at all about the Kessel trade, not the Kessel trade itself.

Fitzgerald#11
07-21-2012, 02:26 PM
http://insider.espn.go.com/nhl/story/_/id/8173540/nhl-organizational-rankings-panthers-wild-lead-way-habs-leap-forward

22. Toronto Maple Leafs (Previous Ranking: 18)

Toronto is not spilling over with prospects, but there are a couple who could make a major impact in time, including 2012 first-round pick D Morgan Rielly (Moose Jaw-WHL). RW Tyler Biggs (Oshawa-OHL) has left college (Miami University), and his rugged style will make many take notice. Stuart Percy (Mississauga-OHL) and Matt Finn (Guelph-OHL) are two defensemen the Leafs are counting on down the road.

Sleeper Prospect: Jamie Devane, LW, (Plymouth-OHL) (third round/2009)
Super tough and willing to play a hard, physical style of game, he fits the organizational mindset in Toronto.

hockeylover
07-21-2012, 02:37 PM
Some of the teams ranked ahead of us are puzzling to me. I'd have to take a closer look at their prospect pools but on first glance I don't think I'd put any of Carolina, Winnipeg, Tampa, etc. ahead of us.

Metalleaf
07-21-2012, 02:38 PM
The Leafs as always are graded tougher because they're the Leafs and everyone they draft has no future.

PQ
07-21-2012, 08:23 PM
I think most publications have always had the Leafs ranked pretty low in terms of prospects, but then again, which of our prospects have really developed into anything above average?

teeds
07-23-2012, 01:13 AM
When Kessel bolts Toronto, that trade will be properly viewed. And our prospects? Horrible. But thank god for Rielly. After him? There is literally nothing. Butkus.

MindzEye
07-23-2012, 08:20 AM
When Kessel bolts Toronto, that trade will be properly viewed. And our prospects? Horrible. But thank god for Rielly. After him? There is literally nothing. Butkus.

Simply not true.

BG
07-23-2012, 08:52 AM
Some of the teams ranked ahead of us are puzzling to me. I'd have to take a closer look at their prospect pools but on first glance I don't think I'd put any of Carolina, Winnipeg, Tampa, etc. ahead of us.

This says it all:


For the purposes of the rankings, we define prospects as all drafted players -- signed or unsigned -- who have yet to see regular action at the NHL level. For example, a player such as the Senators' Mark Stone -- called up for one playoff game -- retains his prospect status. Kreider, on the other hand, is now a veteran of 18 NHL games and excluded from consideration. With limited space to discuss each team's prospects, I focused on the most intriguing ones

With most of our young core, including Colborne/Kadri/Ashton/Frattin all out of consideration.

BG
07-23-2012, 08:54 AM
When Kessel bolts Toronto, that trade will be properly viewed. And our prospects? Horrible. But thank god for Rielly. After him? There is literally nothing. Butkus.

If Kessel refuses to sign an extension, he will be traded.

teeds
07-23-2012, 08:54 AM
No its not true entirely. We do have hosts of third and four line material players in the pipeline. But so does anyone else. We don't have ANY first line talent in the wings. And unfortunately due to body limitations, that includes my favourite prospect, Nazem Kadri.

I don't look at the Leafs through rose or blue coloured glasses any more. I look at them forensically. Sure I give them an extra five to ten points at the start of every year because I am a fan,or for that miracle player potential. A Reimer renaissance, or a Kadri emergence.

But the bottom line is that we have spent money on guys we should have avoided, we have drafted mid tier, instead of top five, and we are still EARLY ON in a rebuild.

And Kessel is a scared on balled rabbit, who cannot wait to get out of here.

teeds
07-23-2012, 08:58 AM
Sure he will be traded, does anyone think we will get back a Seguin, Hamilton, Nathan Horton(for the second round pick) PLUS for him? Not even close. He is not a well liked kid around the league, he is seen as a one way player. A helluva one way player, but one way. Like Rick Vaive was seen.

TimHorton
07-23-2012, 09:04 AM
Why must you lie?

MindzEye
07-23-2012, 09:27 AM
Sure he will be traded, does anyone think we will get back a Seguin, Hamilton, Nathan Horton(for the second round pick) PLUS for him? Not even close. He is not a well liked kid around the league, he is seen as a one way player. A helluva one way player, but one way. Like Rick Vaive was seen.

You realize that a 50 point defenseman was part of the Horton trade, right? If I remember correctly, it was Wideman, the 15th overall, & a 3rd rounder for Horton & Campbell.

MindzEye
07-23-2012, 09:29 AM
and yes, if we traded Phil Kessel, we would absolutely get our hands on a Seguin level player in return. Hamilton is a really nice prospect, but still a prospect....let's cut our collective wrists after he's done something aside from look great against 16-18 years olds.

corksens
07-23-2012, 10:03 AM
and yes, if we traded Phil Kessel, we would absolutely get our hands on a Seguin level player in return. Hamilton is a really nice prospect, but still a prospect....let's cut our collective wrists after he's done something aside from look great against 16-18 years olds.I don't know if that is true. I only say that because clearly Columbus is not getting what they want from the potential Nash trade.

MindzEye
07-23-2012, 10:05 AM
I don't know if that is true. I only say that because clearly Columbus is not getting what they want from the potential Nash trade.

Kessel is 4 years younger, a legitimate 80+ point winger and is paid 2.4 million dollars less per season. They're not even close in value currently, regardless of what the Canadian hockey media seems to think.

corksens
07-23-2012, 10:14 AM
The age is no big deal - both players are in their prime years. Kessel has hit 80+ points once in his career...production wise they are very similar players.

Kessel has two more years on his current contract, then he'll be in line for a raise. Depending on Kessel's next deal, Nash being signed for 6 more years could actually be viewed as a positive.

If Nash isn't bringing in a top Seguin like prospect then neither is Kessel.

Cojo
07-23-2012, 10:31 AM
If you don't get someone like him in return there is absolutely zero reason to trade Kessel then.

BG
07-23-2012, 11:43 AM
This is all assuming of course that there is a 0% chance of Kessel returning.

Those odds go way up if Burke is still Pres/GM, and if the Leafs can pull it together this season.

The biggest difference between the Nash/Kessel contracts (besides $$) is Kessel's lack of a NTC.

..and teeds, if everyone hates Kessel - then who else is going to sign him?

JaysCyYoung
07-23-2012, 11:56 AM
Kessel may have been the best player at his position in the entire league this season as a twenty four year old. He would bring home a proverbial boat-load in assets in return.

corksens
07-23-2012, 11:59 AM
The market doesn't seem to suggest that.

leafman101
07-23-2012, 11:59 AM
If you don't get someone like him in return there is absolutely zero reason to trade Kessel then.

There is zero reason to trade him if you do get someone like him in return. Kessel is one of the best players in the league. Nash isn't.

corksens
07-23-2012, 12:03 PM
Nash and Kessel are two very very comparable players.

Shoot first wingers. Kessel has a slight advantage as he had the hotter season last year, but you can't ignore just HOW bad Columbus was last year and Nash' history of production.

leafman101
07-23-2012, 12:06 PM
Kessel has a huge advantage. The only area of the game they are comparable is goal scoring. Nash has nothing else, and Kessel is one of the best offensive players in the NHL.

This debate is so one sided there isn't even a point in starting it.

corksens
07-23-2012, 12:11 PM
Kessel has a huge advantage. The only area of the game they are comparable is goal scoring. Nash has nothing else, and Kessel is one of the best offensive players in the NHL.

This debate is so one sided there isn't even a point in starting it.Are you taking crazy pills?

You realize as a 24 year old Nash was a 40 goal PPG player, right?

leafman101
07-23-2012, 12:12 PM
You realize that Nash has never come remotely close to the top 5 in scoring. Nor has he ever had 45 assists in his career, including junior.

Like I said, this is too stupid an argument to have. End of story.

BG
07-23-2012, 12:13 PM
Over the next several seasons Kessel could be most-productive right-handed player in the league.

TimHorton
07-23-2012, 12:18 PM
Two Year splits:

Nash: 32G, 65pts
Kessel: 35G 73pts

One is younger, has no NTC, and has been more productive lately. Not to mention other small intangibles like being right handed and not missing a game in the last 2 years. They're not comprable at all.

corksens
07-23-2012, 12:20 PM
You realize that Nash has never come remotely close to the top 5 in scoring. Nor has he ever had 45 assists in his career, including junior.

Like I said, this is too stupid an argument to have. End of story.Kessel has done it all of ONCE. He caught fire and had a career season with Lupul.

Nash is a career 35 goal scorer. He's pretty much a lock for 35-40 goals per year over a full season.

You are skewed because one guy had an up year and the other had a down year. Don't be.

JaysCyYoung
07-23-2012, 12:26 PM
Kessel has done it all of ONCE. He caught fire and had a career season with Lupul.

Nash is a career 35 goal scorer. He's pretty much a lock for 35-40 goals per year over a full season.

You are skewed because one guy had an up year and the other had a down year. Don't be.

Year?

Nash has hit 70 points just once in his career. He has as many fifty point seasons as he does sixty point ones.

corksens
07-23-2012, 12:27 PM
Two Year splits:
Nash: 32G, 65pts
Kessel: 35G 73pts


Using a 2 year split in this case isn't fair. One guy is coming off of a career year and the other is a near career low. The numbers will be skewed.

Three Year Splits (82 game pace)

Nash: 33gls/67pts
Kessel: 35gls/70pts

Yea. "Not even close" my ass.

Of course Kessel gets the edge for being younger and had the better season most recently, but to suggest that the two aren't even close is homerism at it's best.

TimHorton
07-23-2012, 12:29 PM
We always use 2 year splits, you only don't like it in this case because the numbers don't favour your argument.

Phil Kessel's assist totals the last 4 years: 24,25,32,45. He hasn't even HIT his prime yet.

corksens
07-23-2012, 12:31 PM
I never subscribed to the 2-year split. One good season can skew things too much.

MindzEye
07-23-2012, 12:31 PM
The age is no big deal - both players are in their prime years.

The age is absolutely a big deal. As a 24 year old, there's an argument to be made that Kessel hasn't peaked yet. Even if they were both considered in their primes....Kessel has 4 more prime years left than Nash. Absolutely a big deal when you're valuing a player.



Kessel has hit 80+ points once in his career...production wise they are very similar players.

Yes...once, last year. The most recent year. Due to this, they are not similar production wise. At current, Kessel is significantly more productive than Nash.


Kessel has two more years on his current contract, then he'll be in line for a raise

Which means that for the next 2 years, he's almost 5 million dollars in total, cheaper than Rick Nash....on top of being younger and more productive.


Depending on Kessel's next deal, Nash being signed for 6 more years could actually be viewed as a positive.

Not if Nash continues scoring 60 points a season, regardless of just about any deal Kessel would be signed to.


If Nash isn't bringing in a top Seguin like prospect then neither is Kessel.

You continue to assert it, but your argument for it is shite.

hockeylover
07-23-2012, 12:31 PM
Using a 2 year split in this case isn't fair. One guy is coming off of a career year and the other is a near career low. The numbers will be skewed.

Three Year Splits (82 game pace)

Nash: 33gls/67pts
Kessel: 35gls/70pts

Yea. "Not even close" my ass.

Of course Kessel gets the edge for being younger and had the better season most recently, but to suggest that the two aren't even close is homerism at it's best.

What? But that's precisely why you can't use a 3 year split - because you're ignoring that one player is significantly younger and just broke out.

MindzEye
07-23-2012, 12:32 PM
I never subscribed to the 2-year split. One good season can skew things too much.

I used to bark up this tree....but Zeke won that argument.

2 year split >

zeke
07-23-2012, 01:29 PM
I think both have value, to be honest.

less issues with 2yr splits overall, IMO, but it's true that one outlier year can really skew the 2yr split badly.

zeke
07-23-2012, 01:31 PM
In general I would agree that they are similar offensively, but I'd say that it looks like Nash's upside has been tapped (40ish gl/ppg type guy in his good years), while there's still a decent possibility that after matching that kind of scoring last year, Kessel might still be able to take another step up to the next level.

corksens
07-23-2012, 03:23 PM
And I would agree with that.

Clearly Kessel gets the edge for his younger age and better most recent performance.

MindzEye
07-23-2012, 05:41 PM
and better contract status...

So what we have is the better player, younger, and signed to the better contract...and you think that the difference in value isn't much at all?

drewser
08-03-2012, 03:40 PM
LeafsPR

#Leafs sign 2012 first-round draft pick Morgan Rielly to a three-year entry level contract. Rielly was selected fifth overall on June 22.

Jeremy
08-03-2012, 03:43 PM
LeafsPR

#Leafs sign 2012 first-round draft pick Morgan Rielly to a three-year entry level contract. Rielly was selected fifth overall on June 22.:cheers2:

hairnova
08-09-2012, 09:29 AM
Rielly will be on Canada's third D pairing with Dumba today in the first game of the Canada-Russia Challenge.

hockeylover
08-09-2012, 12:25 PM
Looks like he got an assist already.

That's one heck of a third D pair.

hockeylover
08-09-2012, 12:28 PM
http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg861/scaled.php?tn=0&server=861&filename=ytsv.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640

Rielly beating out Subban and Scheifele in Team Canada's 100m dash. Knee's lookin' good.

zeke
08-09-2012, 12:33 PM
who are the other dmen?

hockeylover
08-09-2012, 12:36 PM
who are the other dmen?

Harrington - Murray
Hamilton - Oullet
Rielly - Dumba

zeke
08-09-2012, 12:39 PM
oh so by 3rd pair they mean 1st pair.

corksens
08-09-2012, 01:06 PM
Very strong D there.

JaysCyYoung
08-09-2012, 01:21 PM
Hamilton - Murray would be the most ridiculous junior pairing possible.

zeke
08-09-2012, 01:44 PM
Hamilton - Murray would be the most ridiculous junior pairing possible.

impossible if it doesn't include rielly.

JaysCyYoung
08-09-2012, 02:26 PM
?

PQ
08-09-2012, 03:09 PM
Rielly beating out Subban and Scheifele in Team Canada's 100m dash. Knee's lookin' good.

I don't think the issue with the knee is loss of speed. I think it's more the likelihood of him injuring it again

hockeylover
08-09-2012, 03:56 PM
I don't think the issue with the knee is loss of speed. I think it's more the likelihood of him injuring it again

Yeah, that's true. Pretty impressive though that there's literally been no rust at all since he's come back even with all the time off - not only no rust but he seems to still be faster and stronger than everyone.

LeafGm
08-09-2012, 08:50 PM
?
My guess would be that he's saying Rielly > Murray.

JaysCyYoung
08-09-2012, 08:57 PM
Ehhh... I don't know about that.

The World Juniors is still a showcase for nineteen and twenty year-olds, and Rielly has two fewer years of development than Murray.

zeke
08-09-2012, 11:06 PM
My guess would be that he's saying Rielly > Murray.

No need for the "murray" part.

Rielly >

hockeylover
08-10-2012, 12:21 PM
Morgan Rielly scores a goal for Canada.

David Staples ‏@dstaples
Wow, what a great play by Morgan Rielly. Excellent give and go play, then tip in at the net. #Leafs

leafman101
08-10-2012, 12:23 PM
Stop being an idiot Leaf fan zeke. Rielly isn't >

Rielly >>>>>

zeke
08-10-2012, 01:05 PM
Without even being facetious, I take Rielly over Murray without even thinking once.

Rielly v. Hamilton is more interesting, but even then it wouldn't surprise me to see Rielly surpass Hamilton...and soon.

leafman101
08-10-2012, 01:14 PM
There is nothing better than a smart dman that has puck skills and skate like that. The only skill set of Hamilton and Murray that he doesn't possess is Hamilton's size. Other than that he has the best of both of them.

Volcanologist
08-10-2012, 02:57 PM
Reilly might not be pronger sized, but it seems he's quite a physical specimen in addition to his elite skating and offensive chops.

rated
08-10-2012, 03:23 PM
Kind of off topic, but still pretty interesting:


The Ontario Hockey League, (OHL), has levied fines totaling $400,000.00 against the Windsor Spitfires Hockey Club and taken away three 1st round draft selections and two 2nd round draft selections from the Spitfires.



“In 2009 the Board of Governors of the Ontario Hockey League developed the OHL ENFORCEMENT PROGRAM which is designed to address and attempt to eliminate violations of the RULES and impose appropriate penalties if violations occur. The enforcement process is an integral part of the process to ensure integrity and fair play among the MEMBER TEAMS. One of the fundamental principles of the enforcement process is to ensure that those MEMBER TEAMS that are abiding by the rules are not disadvantaged by their commitment to compliance”, stated OHL Commissioner David Branch.



“The League conducted two separate investigations led by our Director of Security and Enforcement, and in considering all the facts, I was persuaded that the Windsor Spitfires Hockey Club violated the League’s Player Benefit and Recruitment Rules and Policies. While the penalties may appear to be severe, the League and its Member Teams recognize for any such violations of our Recruitment / Benefit Rules and Policies, we must send a strong message to preserve the integrity of our League”, concluded Branch.



In addition to the fine, the Windsor Spitfires shall forfeit 1st round selections in the annual OHL Priority Selection in the years 2013, 2014, 2016, and 2nd round selections in the OHL Priority Selection Process for the years 2015 and 2017.

Windsor spitfires are soooo scewed

Jeremy
08-10-2012, 04:11 PM
Reilly might not be pronger sized, but it seems he's quite a physical specimen in addition to his elite skating and offensive chops.Reilly > Neidermayer

PQ
08-10-2012, 11:50 PM
How good is the team playing vs Russia at this Canada-Russia challenge series thing?

I recognize some names, but I imagine some guys might have went over to play in the Ivan Hlinka tournament?

Aberdeen
08-12-2012, 02:58 AM
Tyler Biggs — Once again it was the newly-signed Maple Leafs prospect that was leading the charge for Team USA. Not often thought to be a consistent producer, Biggs ended up with six points in three games against international competition including three goals and three assists. Both of his goals were typical of Biggs — in front of the net and not quitting on the play. The big man is showing good speed and is playing an effective power-forward style. That’s what he needs to be for this team. At his very best, he plays a man’s game and is incredibly tough to play against. He was that in three straight games in camp, which is a great sign for him and Team USA.

http://unitedstatesofhockey.com/2012/08/11/2012-u-s-wjc-camp-day-8-recap-usa-vs-fin/

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-13-2012, 08:06 PM
Morgan Rielly looks like niedermayer out there.

Preston_Mizzi
08-13-2012, 08:19 PM
Murphy is so awesome. Who cares if he can't play defense.. that skill is going to make him one of the best offensive d in the NHL for years to come.

And yeah, Rielly is just so steady and so smart. Doesn't make any mistakes.

leafman101
08-13-2012, 08:25 PM
Rielly was holding the line at both sides there. Its going to be pretty amazing to have him and Gardiner back there.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-13-2012, 08:30 PM
Rielly is going to make training camp very interesting.

hockeylover
08-13-2012, 08:33 PM
1 goal, 3 points in 3 games.

Apparently his jersey says Reilly?

leafman101
08-13-2012, 08:37 PM
They have to dump Komi. Buy him out.

Gardiner-Phaneuf
Rielly-Gunnar
Liles-Franson
Holzer

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-13-2012, 08:39 PM
Rielly already looks better and more ready than Gardiner, and that's saying a lot because Gardiner was damn good.

leafman101
08-13-2012, 09:01 PM
The kid is unreal.

Preston_Mizzi
08-13-2012, 09:06 PM
****ing love him. He looks incredible out there. And is it just me or is this game really really really making you guys miss hockey right now? I mean I missed it before, but this game has put it on another level.

rated
08-13-2012, 09:15 PM
yeah im going through with drawl right now

hairnova
08-13-2012, 10:38 PM
Really nice play tonight to setup Huberdeau's 5-5 goal.

Mega
08-13-2012, 10:51 PM
Felt great getting some hockey in.

And yeah, Rielly looked great.

hockeylover
08-14-2012, 08:12 AM
Reilly might not be pronger sized, but it seems he's quite a physical specimen in addition to his elite skating and offensive chops.

I before E, except when he plays G (Rielly, van Riemsdyk, Reimer).

Metalleaf
08-14-2012, 10:36 AM
Oh, Rielly?

Aberdeen
08-14-2012, 10:40 AM
http://www.netlore.ru/files/uploads/2007/05/orly-3.jpg

hairnova
08-15-2012, 04:44 PM
4. Morgan Rielly (Toronto Maple Leafs, 5th in 2011) – After a shortened WHL season due to injury, Morgan Rielly donned the red and white to prove that his talents were worthy of a lottery pick and that’s exactly what he did. As with most young defensemen, Rielly will continue to work on his defensive game but at this point he shows that he’s capable and at least being on-par with his peers in that area. On the attack, Rielly dazzled with his rare ability to find open ice as his confidence with the puck allows for him to hold onto the puck long enough to open up lanes for attacking. His skating was his most impressive asset and that’s reassuring for a player that experienced a serious ACL injury. Morgan Rielly will be one of Canada’s top defensemen at the upcoming 2013 World Junior Championships as he’s a lock for this team.

http://thehockeywriters.com/final-impressions-from-the-2012-canada-russia-challenge/

Jeremy
08-15-2012, 09:24 PM
Our boy!

http://citytv.rdmmedia.topscms.com/images/4f/20/016490bc406c9ca3c2aeb8db76e1.jpg

teeds
08-16-2012, 05:30 PM
He is better than anyone we have had on defence in over 25 years imo. Better than peak Kaberle and Jake Gardiner. But holy shit, lets get a couple of homegrown forwards in this league and calibre.

Volcanologist
08-16-2012, 06:03 PM
He is better than anyone we have had on defence in over 25 years imo. Better than peak Kaberle and Jake Gardiner.

He's already demanded a trade.

rated
08-16-2012, 06:07 PM
He's already demanded a trade.

There goes his value.

LeafGm
08-16-2012, 11:45 PM
I hear that Rielly refused to sign with us, but Burke forged his signature. Now Rielly's in the process of filing a lawsuit to have the contract voided.

johnunit
08-17-2012, 12:22 AM
I hear that Rielly refused to sign with us, but Burke forged his signature. Now Rielly's in the process of filing a lawsuit to have the contract voided.

Obvious forgery, too. No one with NO CALVES like rielly could form a P like that.

LeafGm
08-17-2012, 08:56 AM
Obvious forgery, too. No one with NO CALVES like rielly could form a P like that.
True, good sleuthing! Come to think about it, the Biggs contract must be a forgery too. That Burke is one crafty Irish bastard!

Rumpleforeskin
08-17-2012, 10:28 PM
to be fair, has anybody proven Biggs or Rielly are advanced enough to sign things on their own?

hairnova
08-22-2012, 08:26 AM
Josh Leivo had four points against Denmark today at the World Junior Club Cup, including a natural hat trick.

His three goals came within ten minutes and were all shorthanded. Impressive.

hockeylover
08-22-2012, 08:46 AM
I was a fan of this selection at the time of the draft. I saw enough in his numbers to encourage me he could exceed expectations of your typical 4th rounder.

BKerr
08-25-2012, 03:38 AM
For those of you who have looked at the Global Around the League thread, you've seen my team by team prospect reports. Well, today's Top Shelf is a look at the Toronto Maple Leafs and their Top Prospects.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/08/25/top-shelf-prospects-toronto-maple-leafs/

hockeylover
08-25-2012, 08:05 AM
I just skimmed but for a guy who makes no secret about being a Habs fan, that sure was an unbiased Leafs prospect review. Some solid work there.

BG
08-25-2012, 09:14 AM
For those of you who have looked at the Global Around the League thread, you've seen my team by team prospect reports. Well, today's Top Shelf is a look at the Toronto Maple Leafs and their Top Prospects.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/08/25/top-shelf-prospects-toronto-maple-leafs/


Great stuff BKer, just noting that the term 'wing spin' appears to be an auto-correct issue, and the is an addition repeated caption at the end of the article.

BKerr
08-25-2012, 10:55 AM
Great stuff BKer, just noting that the term 'wing spin' appears to be an auto-correct issue, and the is an addition repeated caption at the end of the article.

Thanks, fixed those

BKerr
08-25-2012, 01:38 PM
I just skimmed but for a guy who makes no secret about being a Habs fan, that sure was an unbiased Leafs prospect review. Some solid work there.

Thanks, I've tried to make all my reports unbiased.

Sure I could bash these kids, and say they suck just cause they are Leaf prospects, but what does that accomplish? If they come up and play well in the NHL, I'm just gonna look like a fool. Also even if I'm cheering for the Habs, and cheering against these guys... what does it do if I bash them on the internet? Is it gonna effect the results. Are they gonna play better or worse based on what I've said? No.... so I dont see the point... might as well just be honest about it.

zeke
08-26-2012, 01:21 AM
IMO you overrate kadri's skating.

hockeylover
08-26-2012, 11:19 PM
Sudbury Wolves win the World Junior Club Cup.

Josh Leivo leads tournament in scoring with 6 goals, 11 points in 6 games.

mbow30
08-26-2012, 11:34 PM
yeah kadri has good quickness which makes him elusive, but he lacks strength on his skates and explosiveness.

Volcanologist
08-27-2012, 10:23 AM
Maybe roberts can fix that.

teeds
08-27-2012, 11:46 AM
yeah kadri has good quickness which makes him elusive, but he lacks strength on his skates and explosiveness.

Agree 100%, and its something I also have said over and over. And NO, Roberts cannot fix that overnight. Possibly in two to three years, with a ton of dedication and hard work, but according to ALL reports, dedication and hard work are NOT his strong suits. He remains, a Kyle Wellwood, work in progress.

MindzEye
08-27-2012, 11:48 AM
Roberts' wouldn't have taken him on if there were work ethic concerns....Maximus is very choosey about his clientele, you either buy in completely, or you train with someone else.

teeds
08-27-2012, 11:58 AM
We don't have any elite forwards, but then again, who does? Except the usual suspects. Until we have three times more prospects than we presently do, we should continue to stink and add high draft picks. Lombardi from L.A. was villified two months before he made the moves to grab the Stanley Cup, he literally gathered and accumulated for EONS.

Until the Maple Leafs figure out that the NHL rewards useless play, via top talent, they will never amount to anything except to bedwetting blue and white homers. Of which we have a great representation on this board.

zeke
08-27-2012, 12:06 PM
Kessel finished 6th in league scoring at age 24, is maybe the best skater in hockey, with maybe the best wrister in hockey.

I'd say that's an elite forward.

LeafGm
08-27-2012, 12:27 PM
So, uhh...Nazem Kadri just tweeted this:

http://i.imgur.com/yuNHG.png

zeke
08-27-2012, 01:04 PM
I don't see that pic on his tweet.

corksens
08-27-2012, 01:16 PM
I'm sure he's well on his way to railing bangers.

MindzEye
08-27-2012, 01:54 PM
We don't have any elite forwards, but then again, who does? Except the usual suspects. Until we have three times more prospects than we presently do, we should continue to stink and add high draft picks. Lombardi from L.A. was villified two months before he made the moves to grab the Stanley Cup, he literally gathered and accumulated for EONS.

Until the Maple Leafs figure out that the NHL rewards useless play, via top talent, they will never amount to anything except to bedwetting blue and white homers. Of which we have a great representation on this board.

We had 2 forwards in the top 10 for PPG last season...we lack a #1 centre up front...that's it. Outside of that, it's a very deep, talented group up front.

As for L.A accumulating top draft picks for eons...what do you think we've been doing?? JVR, Kessel, Phaneuf, Lupul, Kadri, Rielly, Gardiner...and even Colborne, Connolly, & Ashton are 1st round picks (quite a few, top 10) that either we've made or have added from outside the organization.

I don't think Burke could spell out the blueprint any better.

Corky27
08-27-2012, 03:03 PM
to mention Connolly is stupid.

MindzEye
08-27-2012, 03:58 PM
to mention Connolly is stupid.


Meh, he was terrible last season, but similar to additions LAK made like Justin Williams over the courses of their respective careers.

LeafGm
08-27-2012, 06:08 PM
I don't see that pic on his tweet.
He re-posted the same tweet a couple of minutes later without the pic. And I guess has since deleted the original tweet.

teeds
08-27-2012, 11:27 PM
Yeah, Burke has been doing some fine things. Problem is, we are going to lose Kessel and Lupul, both have adamantly maintained that if Carlyle remains, they are both gone.

And Burke NOT evaluating how bad the team was, and effectively giving away at top two pick, and losing either Taylor Hall or Seguin, was the biggest move of his tenure. And its HUGE. I love Kessel, really do, but hiring Carlyle due to outside pressures, was insanely stupid re: Kessel and Lupul. A DUMB move. A FERGUSONESQUE move.

MindzEye
08-28-2012, 12:33 AM
When both re sign, will you finally stop this shit? I mean, when exactly is your Waterloo? Everyone here still vividly remembers how you spoke down to everyone leading up to the draft, how hilariously wrong you were, and then how you attempted to play it off as if Burke went rogue on his scouts.

When both Kessel & Lupul re sign, will it finally end?

rated
08-28-2012, 01:41 AM
When both Kessel & Lupul re sign, will it finally end?

You know the answer...

hockeylover
08-28-2012, 08:54 AM
When both re sign, will you finally stop this shit? I mean, when exactly is your Waterloo? Everyone here still vividly remembers how you spoke down to everyone leading up to the draft, how hilariously wrong you were, and then how you attempted to play it off as if Burke went rogue on his scouts.

When both Kessel & Lupul re sign, will it finally end?

Stop being such a Fred. This won't END and they will NEVER resign. Just like Tyler Biggs... oh... nvm.

teeds
08-28-2012, 09:32 AM
If they resign, sure. But they won't. And I wasn't wrong per se, Burke told ALL his scouts he was after Forsberg. Taking Rielly was totally his decision and a bit of Nonis. If you guys had any connections with the scouts, you could still tell they were uber pissed at the way he just took whoever he wanted. But they have resigned themselves to realizing its the Brian Burke show that way. The guy is respected somewhat for the long hours and hard work he puts in, but he isn't too well liked, because he is just so incredibly arrogant.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-28-2012, 09:33 AM
Lupul will probably get a 4/20 or 5/25 extension.

JaysCyYoung
08-28-2012, 10:14 AM
If they resign, sure. But they won't. And I wasn't wrong per se, Burke told ALL his scouts he was after Forsberg. Taking Rielly was totally his decision and a bit of Nonis. If you guys had any connections with the scouts, you could still tell they were uber pissed at the way he just took whoever he wanted. But they have resigned themselves to realizing its the Brian Burke show that way. The guy is respected somewhat for the long hours and hard work he puts in, but he isn't too well liked, because he is just so incredibly arrogant.

Oh my God, you were completely and utterly wrong. In embarrassing fashion. You were wrong about the Horton thing too (didn't even get drafted at all).

And most scouts considered Rielly a potential top pick had he not gotten injured.

How can you possibly keep up this charade? You've been called out so many times on the lies.

hairnova
08-28-2012, 10:50 AM
chrismpeters:
- Maple Leafs prospect Tyler Biggs's 2012-13 destination is now known, after his somewhat mysterious departure from Miami U: Oshawa of the OHL.
- After Biggs left Miami, most believed it was to get a shot at least with the Toronto Marlies in the AHL. He should be dominant force in OHL.

Volcanologist
08-28-2012, 10:57 AM
If they resign, sure. But they won't. And I wasn't wrong per se, Burke told ALL his scouts he was after Forsberg. Taking Rielly was totally his decision and a bit of Nonis. If you guys had any connections with the scouts, you could still tell they were uber pissed at the way he just took whoever he wanted. But they have resigned themselves to realizing its the Brian Burke show that way. The guy is respected somewhat for the long hours and hard work he puts in, but he isn't too well liked, because he is just so incredibly arrogant.

no, you were definitely wrong, per se and otherwise.

BG
08-28-2012, 11:05 AM
By all accounts, the first two picks in the draft were steals - not sure why any scout would be pissed about that. The other 4 picks (well 3 because Bergman usually gets a 6th/7th rounder for his selection) were 5th/6th rounders, hardly worth spitting hairs over.

Strategically, Burke was wise to tell his scouts that he wanted to pick Forsberg - what a great way to find out which of his scouts is leaking information.

-or perhaps he wanted some misinformation floating around to the other teams in order to get the guy he actually wanted.

TimHorton
08-28-2012, 11:43 AM
Strategically, Burke was wise to tell his scouts that he wanted to pick Forsberg - what a great way to find out which of his scouts is leaking information.

-or perhaps he wanted some misinformation floating around to the other teams in order to get the guy he actually wanted.

Or teeds made it all up.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-28-2012, 11:46 AM
Burke did make comments prior to the draft that he might be inclined to select based on need this year. Which would lead one of believe that they'd select a forward. Whether he had any interest in Forsberg specifically, who knows.

I think he did do a good job of throwing people off. Not many expected Rielly, if anyone at all.

JaysCyYoung
08-28-2012, 11:49 AM
There's a difference between that and blatantly making things up.

zeke
08-28-2012, 11:49 AM
I believe Burke when he says Rielly was top of his list, but I think he may have taken Galy instead (i.e. his 'based on need' quote).

JaysCyYoung
08-28-2012, 11:50 AM
I believe Burke when he says Rielly was top of his list, but I think he may have taken Galy instead (i.e. his 'based on need' quote).

Either one of them would have been an outstanding draft selection.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-28-2012, 11:56 AM
That makes sense.

Burke got up pretty quick when it was his turn to pick. If it was down to Gal and Rielly, the decision was made for him.

Thank God the Isles took Reinhart at 4.

teeds
08-28-2012, 12:06 PM
Oh my God, you were completely and utterly wrong. In embarrassing fashion. You were wrong about the Horton thing too (didn't even get drafted at all).

And most scouts considered Rielly a potential top pick had he not gotten injured.

How can you possibly keep up this charade? You've been called out so many times on the lies.


In the immortal words of Charles Bronson in one of the best male testosterone movies ever made, perhaps even the best, YOU HAVE an unfortunate way of putting things JaysCyYoung. LIES? Charade? Chief, I have more contacts that I have lost or forgotten than you will EVER have. Keep sniffing the Kitchener Auditorium urinals I suppose kid, but your outragreous temper, and lack of civility will banish you to a cut and paste career if you don't chill out with the barrages and attacks.

And I meant we have NO elite forwards in our prospects, since this is a prospect thread. Lupul and Kessel are significantly elite, as is Grabovski imo. With Frattin and Kadri, outside shots as well.

hockeylover
08-28-2012, 12:11 PM
I'm glad to have Rielly over Reinhart, Trouba, Dumba etc. I think if Rielly reaches his potential he'll be the more valuable asset than any of those players.

rated
08-28-2012, 12:13 PM
I have more contacts that I have lost or forgotten than you will EVER have. K

Your contacts don't know what a NMC is and thought Jake horton was getting drafted this year.

JaysCyYoung
08-28-2012, 12:19 PM
In the immortal words of Charles Bronson in one of the best male testosterone movies ever made, perhaps even the best, YOU HAVE an unfortunate way of putting things JaysCyYoung. LIES? Charade? Chief, I have more contacts that I have lost or forgotten than you will EVER have. Keep sniffing the Kitchener Auditorium urinals I suppose kid, but your outragreous temper, and lack of civility will banish you to a cut and paste career if you don't chill out with the barrages and attacks.

And I meant we have NO elite forwards in our prospects, since this is a prospect thread. Lupul and Kessel are significantly elite, as is Grabovski imo. With Frattin and Kadri, outside shots as well.

The guy selling pretzels doesn't count as a contact, chief.

teeds
08-28-2012, 02:05 PM
Rielly might very well be a Niedemeyer type player, WHICH, would make Gardiner an interesting trade chip. Is it cool to have two elite puck rushing dmen in the lineup? I think eventually, in 25 years, all dmen will be both huge defensively and offensively, if coaching ever gets to a teeder level. So someone might as well start the ball rolling and bring the level of play UP.

teeds
08-28-2012, 02:49 PM
And I don't usually do this, but here is a copy and paste. It may or may not have been posted already in its entirety or in part. And I would hope no Fred loses his skull cap, over whether it HAS or has NOT been posted. No reason to spill any milk over such childish things.

http://kylethereporter.com/2012/08/27/no-vacation-time-for-nazem-kadri/#more-2659

As I have often said, Kadri, like Franson, like Gustavsson, has been given a shit sandwich by this organization. And he will most likely fulfill his goals elsewhere at some point in the future. But IF, MLSE hopes to have ANY success this year, it has to be in goal and in the form of a young forward coming forward and having a semi miracle season.

I still like Kadri, I don't think he will ever be a great skater, but he has a great stick and he has tremendous pride in skills. I hope he emerges.

BG
08-28-2012, 03:07 PM
Let's be honest here, Gardiner is an excellent forward who happens to play defence occasionally thanks to his unreal skating.

teeds
08-28-2012, 04:27 PM
Hmm. I think any player, if he is to be considered elite and exceptional, could be considered forward or defence, but I have to admit, I never thought of Gardiner as a forward. Even though I read somewhere he started out as a forward.

He played tons and tons and tons of outdoor hockey. And thankfully, credits, that, for becoming someone comfortable in skating and carrying the puck at the same time.

As much as hockey has improved in many ways, the ability to carry the puck has not improved as much as everything else. Simple reason, ice time costs hundreds of dollars an hour and few drills concentrate on all players on the ice carrying the puck ALL THE TIME>

mbow30
08-28-2012, 05:34 PM
Let's be honest here, Gardiner is an excellent forward who happens to play defence occasionally thanks to his unreal skating.

i think that's a pretty poor analysis of his skillset, to be honest.

he has some owrk to do on the defensive side, like any young defenseman, but this isn't a guy who thinks he's a forward out there.

his problems are deep in his own end, not making mistakes trying to make offensive plays, getting caught up, or just not playing his position.

he has to work on his play around and behind the net, but you could say that about 95% of rookie defensemen.

Volcanologist
08-28-2012, 06:33 PM
It's a terrible analysis. Gardiner is already a really good defenceman and could be a great one.

teeds
08-28-2012, 06:45 PM
Gardiner is just a gem period. We need a few more, and definitely one in net.

JohnnyHolmes
08-29-2012, 04:05 PM
Rielly looks like the real deal to me.

Of course I always thought Mark Bell would be a much better NHL'er than he ended up.

hockeylover
08-29-2012, 04:32 PM
I haven't heard a single non-Leaf fan utter a negative word about Rielly yet - pretty amazing.

SENSible
08-29-2012, 05:29 PM
Unlike the last couple of times the Leafs drafted in the top 10, it doesn't look like a wasted pick.

mbow30
08-29-2012, 05:30 PM
grow up

SENSible
08-29-2012, 05:40 PM
You're right...Kadri and Schenn were fantastic picks. :sarcasm

leafman101
08-29-2012, 05:44 PM
No worse than Lee, Zibanajed and Cowen.

mbow30
08-29-2012, 05:44 PM
you're pathetic.

SENSible
08-29-2012, 05:46 PM
Lee i'll give you....never forgive them for passing on Kopitar...

Zbad and Cowen I'm fine with even if the jury is still out on Zbad.

SENSible
08-29-2012, 05:47 PM
you're pathetic.

You're confusing me with the Leafs drafting and player development record...now THAT'S pathetic.

mbow30
08-29-2012, 05:47 PM
because cowen and zbad aren't in any way comparable to schenn and kadri

mbow30
08-29-2012, 05:47 PM
no, i'm not confusing you for anybody. you're a loser. you spend your time trolling on internet message boards. it makes you a low and pathetic individual.

leafman101
08-29-2012, 05:50 PM
yeah, because selecting Zbad over Couturier was a fantastic choice.:sarcasm

hockeylover
08-29-2012, 05:50 PM
So anyways... Rielly. Carry on.

rated
08-29-2012, 06:25 PM
no, i'm not confusing you for anybody. you're a loser. you spend your time trolling on internet message boards. it makes you a low and pathetic individual.

Do you honestly expect anything different from Golddust ?

SENSible
08-29-2012, 06:27 PM
yeah, because selecting Zbad over Couturier was a fantastic choice.:sarcasm

I was hoping the Sens would take Couturier and he certainly has looked like the better pick so far, but that one is far from being ultimately decided.

Feel free to get back to me when Zbad has been stuck in the minors for two seasons failing to crack one of the worst lineups in the league.

SENSible
08-29-2012, 06:29 PM
So anyways... Rielly. Carry on.

He looks good so far. Could end up being the steal of the draft.

Volcanologist
08-29-2012, 07:11 PM
Hopefully. We're due for some luck in the draft, like picking a Norris winner with a mid 1st for example.

SENSible
08-29-2012, 07:49 PM
Hopefully. We're due for some luck in the draft, like picking a Norris winner with a mid 1st for example.

Picking Dmen who's stock had dropped due to a knee injury worked for the Sens with Cowen.

JohnnyHolmes
08-29-2012, 07:56 PM
yeah, because selecting Zbad over Couturier was a fantastic choice.:sarcasm

Yeah that's not looking real smart. They really didnt like couturier for some reason. I bet a couple of teams are going to regret passing on him one day.

I've only ever seen Rielly play in the Canada / Russia series, and I was pretty impressed. Hard not to get excited about that guy. He looks like he's going to be really, really good.

BKerr
08-29-2012, 09:48 PM
I haven't heard a single non-Leaf fan utter a negative word about Rielly yet - pretty amazing.

Only cause you asked for it and you know

1) I'm honest and impartial
2) this was written pre-draft, before I even knew who would pick him

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/04/13/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-8-morgan-rielly/

Overall I praised him, and he's got a ton of strengths. But he also has flaws (like most young players).


Rielly does sometimes make mistakes and has a habit of sometimes being a gambler, and making a bad giveaway due to his desire to always push the offence. He also needs to continue to bulk up and become stronger before he will be able to take on bigger forwards in the defensive zone. However Rielly’s puck skills do help him defensively as he’s able to quickly move the puck up the ice, most of the time.

hockeylover
08-29-2012, 10:28 PM
Only cause you asked for it and you know

1) I'm honest and impartial
2) this was written pre-draft, before I even knew who would pick him

http://lastwordonsports.com/2012/04/13/nhl-draft-prospect-profile-8-morgan-rielly/

Overall I praised him, and he's got a ton of strengths. But he also has flaws (like most young players).

I've heard these two points mentioned before - in fact, they are the only two things that seem to be mentioned about him other than the knee questions - but to be honest, they don't concern me in the slightest. Add strength? Not many 18 year olds you can't say that about. Takes risks offensively? I'm quite comfortable with that quality.

Volcanologist
08-29-2012, 10:59 PM
If that's the worst criticism you can come up with, that's a pretty good player.

JohnnyHolmes
08-29-2012, 11:44 PM
The kid can skate and make plays at top speed. I think you're looking at a guy that could possibly be one of the top OD's of his era.

If he is able to adapt to the NHL of course. He seems like a can't miss prospect. I'd be very excited about him if he belonged to Ottawa.

Our guy Ceci played like Caca and ended up scratched against the Ruskies, but being a mid round pick, I guess less is expected of him.

I expect we'll see some comparisons to Karlsson before too long.

mbow30
08-29-2012, 11:54 PM
not sure if karlsson is a good comparison... for anybody.

the best comparison for rielly, speaking in terms of high end potential, is imo doughty. they play very similar games, and have similar deficiencies.

MindzEye
08-30-2012, 12:03 AM
I think BKerr fell into the trap that a lot of scouts fell into when assessing Rielly...thinking he wasn't strong. Don't know where it came from, but his combine scores blows the entire line of thought out of the water, hilariously. The kid is a physical beast for his age.

I'm cool with him being a gambler though...is there an offensive defender of note left in the league who isn't?

BKerr
08-30-2012, 12:54 AM
I think BKerr fell into the trap that a lot of scouts fell into when assessing Rielly...thinking he wasn't strong. Don't know where it came from, but his combine scores blows the entire line of thought out of the water, hilariously. The kid is a physical beast for his age.

I'm cool with him being a gambler though...is there an offensive defender of note left in the league who isn't?

There was a lot of time between when he got injured and the combine. Perhaps he added upper body strength in that time. Its possible. You'll note the report I linked was written before he played any playoff games, and the return for the playoff games got editted in.

The other issues is that its not always pure strength. Think about linemen in football, so much of that is leverage, and not just strength. Its the same thing in board battles and in clearing the crease in hockey. If he's got the strength and he's not doing those things well, it might be a matter of coaching and learning to use his body better to create leverage.

These problems are of course, fixable, but there are some issues.

teeds
08-30-2012, 07:50 AM
Now if we finish close to last we can get a good forward this year, its that slow in this development process. Of course we will have a full year of bashing and bleating here on the forum that the Leafs are going to make the playoffs.

MindzEye
08-30-2012, 09:22 AM
There was a lot of time between when he got injured and the combine. Perhaps he added upper body strength in that time. Its possible. You'll note the report I linked was written before he played any playoff games, and the return for the playoff games got editted in.

The other issues is that its not always pure strength. Think about linemen in football, so much of that is leverage, and not just strength. Its the same thing in board battles and in clearing the crease in hockey. If he's got the strength and he's not doing those things well, it might be a matter of coaching and learning to use his body better to create leverage.

These problems are of course, fixable, but there are some issues.

Oh, I'm not doubting that there were things he was doing, or not doing that lead to every scout and his mother thinking that he was weak....but that's a common problem with scouts imo, most of them don't have the faintest idea what strong is.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-30-2012, 10:03 AM
Lee i'll give you....never forgive them for passing on Kopitar...

Zbad and Cowen I'm fine with even if the jury is still out on Zbad.

Cowen isn't, and won't be any better than Schenn. Both are 3rd pairing guys with 2nd pairing potential.

Zibanejad is a comparable prospect to Kadri. Jury is still out on both.

If you don't like Leafs drafts, you shouldn't be all that excited about the Sens drafts.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-30-2012, 10:06 AM
As for Rielly, he could turn out to be the best player from this draft because he probably has the highest upside of anyone in the draft.

And Burke would look like a genius if he does considering he said he had Rielly ranked 1st.

MindzEye
08-30-2012, 10:27 AM
Cowen isn't, and won't be any better than Schenn. Both are 3rd pairing guys with 2nd pairing potential.

Zibanejad is a comparable prospect to Kadri. Jury is still out on both.

If you don't like Leafs drafts, you shouldn't be all that excited about the Sens drafts.

ZBad has never been tipped as having near the offensive potential Kadri has....There's a much lower chance of ZBad being an outright bust as he has all the tools of a very good 3rd line centre, and that's probably his floor...but if both max out, Kadri is the much more dynamic player.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-30-2012, 10:34 AM
Kadri is still only 21 too.

If you're a non Leafs prospect and you play in the AHL until you're 21, you're developing the right way. If you're a Leafs prospect and you aren't an all-star by 21 -- you're a bust.

Like HL pointed out, Kadri has played a comparable numbers of games as B Schenn and produced at a higher offensive rate, yet one as viewed as a super stud prospect, the other is a bust. It's all just perception though. Kadri's going to make a lot people look stupid.

teeds
08-30-2012, 10:58 AM
Cowen is way, way, way, better than Schenn. He can skate. Schenn has a big heart, he needs development. He is still sooooo young, but is a multi millionaire going to work on himself from the inside out?? Hope so.

SENSible
08-30-2012, 11:02 AM
Cowen isn't, and won't be any better than Schenn.
Cowan is currently better than Schenn. In Schenn's best season he was ahead of where Cowen was last season.

Both are 3rd pairing guys with 2nd pairing potential.
Schenn has regressed to the point where he's a borderline 3rd pairing guy. We'll see what he does in Philly.

Cowen is already a 2nd pairing guy and has 1st pairing potential. Look for the Sens to play him with Karlsson as soon as this year and for the next decade or so.


Zibanejad is a comparable prospect to Kadri. Jury is still out on both.
Zbad is one year post draft and hasn't shown much. When was Kadri drafted again...


If you don't like Leafs drafts, you shouldn't be all that excited about the Sens drafts.

The Sens drafting and player development is well ahead of the Leafs and is one of the best in the NHL.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 11:13 AM
Cowen is essentially Mike Commodore the sequel. A decent enough third-pairing option with the potential to be a top four guy due to decent skating ability and some physicality.

And no he's not currently better than Schenn.

SENSible
08-30-2012, 11:17 AM
:drink

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-30-2012, 11:19 AM
Cowan is currently better than Schenn. In Schenn's best season he was ahead of where Cowen was last season.

Schenn has regressed to the point where he's a borderline 3rd pairing guy. We'll see what he does in Philly.

Cowen is already a 2nd pairing guy and has 1st pairing potential. Look for the Sens to play him with Karlsson as soon as this year and for the next decade or so.



Rookie Seasons:
Schenn: 70 gms, 2 gls, 14 pts, 21:32, 206 Hits, 119 Blks, Corsi Rel -7.6, QoC +0.644
Cowen: 82 gms, 5 gls, 17 pts, 18:54, 217 Hits, 75 Blks, Corsi Rel -2.5, QoC -0.288

Last Season:
Schenn: 79 gms, 2 gls, 22 pts, 16:02, 270 Hits, 115 Blks, Corsi Rel -7.5, QoC -0.154
Cowen: 82 gms, 5 gls, 17 pts, 18:54, 217 Hits, 75 Blks, Corsi Rel -2.5, QoC -0.288


Similar players. Similar styles. Similar upside.



Zbad is one year post draft and hasn't shown much. When was Kadri drafted again

He's 21, so not too long ago.




The Sens drafting and player development is well ahead of the Leafs and is one of the best in the NHL.

The Leafs and Sens are on a comparable level from a prospect / young player standpoint.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-30-2012, 11:26 AM
Cowen was 5th in icetime in both the regular season and playoffs. He's not a 2nd pairing dman. Your own coach used him as a bottom pair defender. And he was very sheltered. The quality of competition he faced was weak.

SENSible
08-30-2012, 11:31 AM
He's 21, so not too long ago.
Zbad is 19. If he's done as little as Kadri at 21 get back to me.


The Leafs and Sens are on a comparable level from a prospect / young player standpoint.

Hf has the Sens at 3 and the Leafs at 18, so tops in the league and below average...not so comparable.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-30-2012, 11:35 AM
Zbad is 19. If he's done as little as Kadri at 21 get back to me.

Lots of prospect do "little" at the NHL level at 21. Including B Schenn, and your homeboy Turris.




Hf has the Sens at 3 and the Leafs at 18, so tops in the league and below average...not so comparable.

HF has a weird graduating system. The Leafs were just highly ranked a couple years ago as well.

You want to compare for real, lets compare all players under 23 or 24.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 11:40 AM
Zbad is 19. If he's done as little as Kadri at 21 get back to me.


How old are Stone and Silfverberg again?


Hf has the Sens at 3 and the Leafs at 18, so tops in the league and below average...not so comparable

Most of the Leafs recent highly-rated prospects graduated and are playing in the NHL. It astonishes me that over a decade after the fact people still don't understand how the rankings work.

corksens
08-30-2012, 11:54 AM
How old are Stone and Silfverberg again?



Most of the Leafs recent highly-rated prospects graduated and are playing in the NHL. It astonishes me that over a decade after the fact people still don't understand how the rankings work.Which ones have graduated?

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 11:58 AM
Jake Gardiner
Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn
James Reimer
Carl Gunnarsson

teeds
08-30-2012, 12:21 PM
The Senators are brilliantly managed, coached and Cowen is being brought along appropriately for a guy who had major knee surgery. Unlike what we will most likely do for Rielly.

I love the Leafs, but I would swap lispy for Burke in five Kitchener seconds. His team gave such an effort in the last ten minutes of their last game against the Rangers, I don't think I have seen that kind of courage, determination and pluck from an NHL team since watching youtube videos of games from the 1940's.

And I give all the credit to lispy. Or a lot of it.

And JCY, Schenn is gone, he was horribly coached, and handled, and sagged big time in his last year here. He cannot skate and handle the puck and even breathe at the same time. Cowen, while not a Karlsson will be a HUGE, SHUTDOWN stud for Ottawa who can do it all.

teeds
08-30-2012, 12:28 PM
Lets call it the way it IS. If Ottawa had won that last game against the Rangers, I think they would have gone on to win the Cup. Lundqvist STONED them, and they just kept coming and coming and coming. There was some good hockey played after that game in other series here and there, but that was HOT SHIT from Ottawa.

If I was an Ottawa fan, I would be raring UP for this season after seeing that effort. TORONTO FANS? I think we privately wish we could go STRAIGHT to the DRAFT via the movie CLICK and Adam Sandler, and skip the lockout, Randy Carlyle and NO GOALTENDING. And all the inevitable braying and bullshit on this board.

SENSible
08-30-2012, 12:38 PM
You want to compare for real, lets compare all players under 23 or 24.

Feel free.

SENSible
08-30-2012, 12:41 PM
How old are Stone and Silfverberg again?

Was Stone a top 10 pick? Silfverberg, where was he drafted?

If Kadri had put up the kind of season Silfverberg just had the board would be touting him as a lock for the Calder.


Most of the Leafs recent highly-rated prospects graduated and are playing in the NHL. It astonishes me that over a decade after the fact people still don't understand how the rankings work.

The same applies to the Sens, including our Norris trophy winning Dman...

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 12:47 PM
The Leafs were ranked ahead of the Sens on the HF List when Karlsson was still classified as a prospect. The fact of the matter is that the rankings are always in a constant state of flux.

Ottawa was in the twenties and the Leafs were top eight only two years ago.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 12:47 PM
The Senators are brilliantly managed, coached and Cowen is being brought along appropriately for a guy who had major knee surgery. Unlike what we will most likely do for Rielly.

I love the Leafs, but I would swap lispy for Burke in five Kitchener seconds. His team gave such an effort in the last ten minutes of their last game against the Rangers, I don't think I have seen that kind of courage, determination and pluck from an NHL team since watching youtube videos of games from the 1940's.

And I give all the credit to lispy. Or a lot of it.

And JCY, Schenn is gone, he was horribly coached, and handled, and sagged big time in his last year here. He cannot skate and handle the puck and even breathe at the same time. Cowen, while not a Karlsson will be a HUGE, SHUTDOWN stud for Ottawa who can do it all.

You are misinformed.

SENSible
08-30-2012, 01:05 PM
Jake Gardiner
Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn
James Reimer
Carl Gunnarsson

The list of graduates from the latest rankings.
Lost to Graduation: Jake Gardiner, James Reimer

SENSible
08-30-2012, 01:06 PM
You are misinformed.

Actually, that was one of Teeds best posts ever.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 01:07 PM
No it wasn't.

He was sucking up to you guys to get brown-nosing points because everyone on here thinks he's a joke now and he lost all of his credibility.

He periodically did the same thing with Habs fans the last twelve months. Don't put too much stock into it.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 01:08 PM
The list of graduates from the latest rankings.

Exactly.

zeke
08-30-2012, 01:52 PM
Cowen is way, way, way, better than Schenn. He can skate. Schenn has a big heart, he needs development. He is still sooooo young, but is a multi millionaire going to work on himself from the inside out?? Hope so.

Even though he can skate better than schenn, that doesn't actually mean he can skate.

zeke
08-30-2012, 01:53 PM
If Kadri had put up the kind of season Silfverberg just had the board would be touting him as a lock for the Calder.


You mean like Rundblad?

SENSible
08-30-2012, 01:54 PM
You mean like Rundblad?

Murray was able to turn the Rundlad hype into Turris...brilliantly played, as usual.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 01:57 PM
Rundblad will have a better career than Turris, especially under a brilliant coach in Tippett.

JohnnyHolmes
08-30-2012, 02:00 PM
I wouldn't make that bet.

zeke
08-30-2012, 02:21 PM
Age 24

TOR: P.Kessel #5, J.Reimer #99, M.Frattin #99, K.Holzer #111
OTT: Z.Smith #79, K.Daugavins #91

Age 23

TOR: J.VanRiemsdyk #2, M.Owuya FA
OTT: K.Turris #3, J.O'Brien #29, M.Borowiecki #139, S.DaCost FA

Age 22

TOR: J.Gardiner #17, J.Colborne #16, N.Deschamps #35
OTT: E.Karlsson #15, M.Hoffman #130

Age 21

TOR: N.Kadri #7, C.Ashton #29, J.Blacker #58, J.D'Amigo #158
OTT: J.Cowen #9, J.Silfverberg #39, P.Wiercioch #41, R.Lehner #46, A.Petersson #109

Age 20

TOR: B.Ross #43, G.McKegg #62
OTT: M.Stone #178

Age 19

TOR: T.Biggs #22, S.Percy #25, J.Leivo #86
OTT: M.Zibanejad #6, S.Noesen #21, M.Puempel #24, S.Prince #61

Age 18

TOR: M.Rielly #5, M.Finn #35
OTT: C.Ceci #15

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 02:42 PM
I wouldn't make that bet.

Incidentally I think that Ottawa would have been better served keeping their first rounder that they dealt to St. Louis for Rundblad, that they later dealt to Phoenix for Turris, and drafted Tarasenko.

With Kuznetsov remaining in Russia for the next couple of years and Huberdeau arguably not ready, he's up there with Yakupov for being the best forward prospect in the world.

JohnnyHolmes
08-30-2012, 02:50 PM
Who fell so far for a reason.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 02:58 PM
Huh?

zeke
08-30-2012, 03:02 PM
Age 24

TOR: P.Kessel #5, J.Reimer #99, M.Frattin #99, K.Holzer #111
OTT: Z.Smith #79, K.Daugavins #91

Age 23

TOR: J.VanRiemsdyk #2, M.Owuya FA
OTT: K.Turris #3, J.O'Brien #29, M.Borowiecki #139, S.DaCost FA

Age 22

TOR: J.Gardiner #17, J.Colborne #16, N.Deschamps #35
OTT: E.Karlsson #15, M.Hoffman #130

Age 21

TOR: N.Kadri #7, C.Ashton #29, J.Blacker #58, J.D'Amigo #158
OTT: J.Cowen #9, J.Silfverberg #39, P.Wiercioch #41, R.Lehner #46, A.Petersson #109

Age 20

TOR: B.Ross #43, G.McKegg #62
OTT: M.Stone #178

Age 19

TOR: T.Biggs #22, S.Percy #25, J.Leivo #86
OTT: M.Zibanejad #6, S.Noesen #21, M.Puempel #24, S.Prince #61

Age 18

TOR: M.Rielly #5, M.Finn #35
OTT: C.Ceci #15


J.VanRiemsdyk - N.Kadri - P.Kessel
C.Ashton - J.Colborne - M.Frattin
T.Biggs - G.McKegg - J.D'Amigo
B.Ross - J.Leivo - N.Deschamps

M.Rielly - J.Gardiner
M.Finn - S.Percy
J.Blacker - K.Holzer

J.Reimer
M.Owuya


M.Stone - K.Turris - J.Silfverberg
S.Noesen - M.Zibanejad - M.Puempel
K.Daugavins - Z.Smith - S.Prince
A.Petersson - J.O'Brien - S.DaCosta
(M.Hoffman)

E.Karlsson - J.Cowen
C.Ceci - P.Wiercioch
M.Borowiecki

R.Lehner

corksens
08-30-2012, 03:03 PM
Jake Gardiner
Tyler Bozak
Luke Schenn
James Reimer
Carl GunnarssonYikes. It's also a bit disingenuous to put Bozak in there...

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 03:06 PM
Why? He was listed on our prospect list just like Butler was on yours and Gilroy was for New York.

corksens
08-30-2012, 03:08 PM
Which is also stupid and stupid.

Over-age college signings shouldn't, for the most part, count as prospects.

JaysCyYoung
08-30-2012, 03:19 PM
Why was Bishop classified as a prospect then? He's the same age as Bozak.

Artnes
08-30-2012, 04:01 PM
If Kadri had put up the kind of season Silfverberg just had the board would be touting him as a lock for the Calder.


Ive seen a fan base blow their load over a guy who put up almost identical numbers in the SEL only to see him recently sign elsewhere after a failed attempt in the NHL.

When he does something here, then I'll be impressed.

Jakob Silfverberg

2009-10 Brynas IF Gavle SEL 48 8 8 16
2010-11 Brynas IF Gavle SEL 53 18 16 34
2011-12 Brynas IF Gavle SEL 49 24 30 54

Linus Omark

2006-07 Lulea HF SEL 50 8 9 17
2007-08 Lulea HF SEL 55 11 21 32
2008-09 Lulea HF SEL 53 23 32 55

PlayerToBeNamedLater
08-30-2012, 04:19 PM
Age 24

TOR: P.Kessel #5, J.Reimer #99, M.Frattin #99, K.Holzer #111
OTT: Z.Smith #79, K.Daugavins #91

Age 23

TOR: J.VanRiemsdyk #2, M.Owuya FA
OTT: K.Turris #3, J.O'Brien #29, M.Borowiecki #139, S.DaCost FA

Age 22

TOR: J.Gardiner #17, J.Colborne #16, N.Deschamps #35
OTT: E.Karlsson #15, M.Hoffman #130

Age 21

TOR: N.Kadri #7, C.Ashton #29, J.Blacker #58, J.D'Amigo #158
OTT: J.Cowen #9, J.Silfverberg #39, P.Wiercioch #41, R.Lehner #46, A.Petersson #109

Age 20

TOR: B.Ross #43, G.McKegg #62
OTT: M.Stone #178

Age 19

TOR: T.Biggs #22, S.Percy #25, J.Leivo #86
OTT: M.Zibanejad #6, S.Noesen #21, M.Puempel #24, S.Prince #61

Age 18

TOR: M.Rielly #5, M.Finn #35
OTT: C.Ceci #15

The two teams stack up pretty well.

JohnnyHolmes
08-30-2012, 04:46 PM
Alright maybe we'll have a good old hatred fueled rivalry again in about 5 years.

corksens
08-31-2012, 09:22 AM
Why was Bishop classified as a prospect then? He's the same age as Bozak.I don't consider him a prospect.

corksens
08-31-2012, 09:29 AM
Ive seen a fan base blow their load over a guy who put up almost identical numbers in the SEL only to see him recently sign elsewhere after a failed attempt in the NHL.

When he does something here, then I'll be impressed.

Jakob Silfverberg

2009-10 Brynas IF Gavle SEL 48 8 8 16
2010-11 Brynas IF Gavle SEL 53 18 16 34
2011-12 Brynas IF Gavle SEL 49 24 30 54

Linus Omark

2006-07 Lulea HF SEL 50 8 9 17
2007-08 Lulea HF SEL 55 11 21 32
2008-09 Lulea HF SEL 53 23 32 55Silfverberg's numbers are better - by a small margin, but in the low scoring SEL that margin is larger that normal.

Omarks numbers in the playoffs completely pale in comparison to Silfverbergs. He put up 13 goals in 16 games and was well over a PPG in the playoffs while captaining his team to a championship.

There is a reason one was picked in the 2nd round and the other in the 4th.

hockeylover
08-31-2012, 10:16 AM
It'll be interesting to see how a potential lockout would affect the Marlies season. Any thoughts on who would be a Marlie for the season if that were the case?

MindzEye
08-31-2012, 10:26 AM
Who's eligible? I would imagine that guys like JVR, Franson, Bozak, Reimer have too much NHL experience to go down without clearing waivers?

So basically, Kadri, Gardiner, Frattin, Scrivens off of the big club.

hockeylover
08-31-2012, 10:40 AM
Who's eligible? I would imagine that guys like JVR, Franson, Bozak, Reimer have too much NHL experience to go down without clearing waivers?

So basically, Kadri, Gardiner, Frattin, Scrivens off of the big club.

F: Hamilton, Zigomanis, Aucoin, Frattin, Kadri, Ashton, Colborne, D'Amigo, Ross, McKegg, Deschamps, Komarov, Ryan, Orr, Devane, Abbott
D: Holzer, Gardiner, Ranger, Blacker, Fraser, Blacker, Yeo, Kostka
G: Scrivens, Owuya, Rynnas

Look about right?

corksens
08-31-2012, 11:02 AM
A sad afterthought of lockouts are all the guys who play hockey who will never make the NHL, but make a living in the AHL.

When the NHL'ers are eligible and don't goto Europe, they stay here and take away a job from someone who has nothing else.

Too bad.

MindzEye
08-31-2012, 12:15 PM
F: Hamilton, Zigomanis, Aucoin, Frattin, Kadri, Ashton, Colborne, D'Amigo, Ross, McKegg, Deschamps, Komarov, Ryan, Orr, Devane, Abbott
D: Holzer, Gardiner, Ranger, Blacker, Fraser, Blacker, Yeo, Kostka
G: Scrivens, Owuya, Rynnas

Look about right?

Other than Blacker twice...yeah

Hamilton - Zigo - Aucoin
D'Amigo - Kadri - Frattin
Ross - Colborne - McKegg
Ashton - ????? - Ryan/Devane/Orr...whoever

Gardiner - Ranger (in the AHL?? Jesus)
Blacker - Holzer
whoever-whoever

Scrivens
Owuya

hockeylover
08-31-2012, 12:22 PM
Other than Blacker twice...yeah

Hamilton - Zigo - Aucoin
D'Amigo - Kadri - Frattin
Ross - Colborne - McKegg
Ashton - ????? - Ryan/Devane/Orr...whoever

Gardiner - Ranger (in the AHL?? Jesus)
Blacker - Holzer
whoever-whoever

Scrivens
Owuya

That top four is pretty awesome.

MindzEye
08-31-2012, 12:37 PM
That top four is pretty awesome.

So is the top 6 forward group...4 of them are PPG level guys in the AHL, and based on his recent playoff performance, D'Amigo might not be far away from it.

PQ
09-02-2012, 03:23 PM
A sad afterthought of lockouts are all the guys who play hockey who will never make the NHL, but make a living in the AHL.

When the NHL'ers are eligible and don't goto Europe, they stay here and take away a job from someone who has nothing else.

Too bad.

Did a lot of NHLers play in the AHL during the last lockout? I don't remember, but I don't think too many guys went for it. AHL salaries are pretty low and playing for that money may not be worth the injury risk.

teeds
09-02-2012, 06:10 PM
It would be way better to train on specific muscle weaknesses, and do hockey specific drills. Playing in the AHL? Hack and chop, can barely believe they asked our best dman, Gardiner to go through it. Probably had to give the poor guy some extra dough to put up with it.

JaysCyYoung
09-02-2012, 07:22 PM
A player's AHL salary is a fraction of an NHL salary...

corksens
09-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Did a lot of NHLers play in the AHL during the last lockout? I don't remember, but I don't think too many guys went for it. AHL salaries are pretty low and playing for that money may not be worth the injury risk.Not established NHL'ers, but all the guys that are tweeners dropping down back to the AHL pushed alot of guys out of the mix.

JaysCyYoung
09-02-2012, 09:02 PM
I do know that Spezza (100 point season, AHL MVP), Stajan, and Wellwood all dominated that year to varying degrees in the AHL.

MindzEye
09-02-2012, 10:00 PM
It's a pretty good development year for guys in their early 20's...the skill level in the league improves dramatically with the influx of talented young NHL'ers.

The make up of the Marlies roster would be a serious silver lining in an otherwise really grey cloud of another lost season. We would have a top tier AHL team to develop our kids on...one that they would get a taste of what playoffs and title contention is like. As long as we didn't get ****ed in the draft lottery next year, it would be about the best organizational development year that we could ask for...especially if we lost a year of contracts and were able to immediately jettison Connolly, Lombardi, Bozak...and were only 1 yr away from getting rid of Komisarek.

Unlike the last lockout, where we were positioned terribly coming into a new environment...we're positioned pretty brilliantly this time around.

PQ
09-02-2012, 10:33 PM
in the case of a lockout, if TSN or Sportsnet were to broadcast one of the Euro leagues like KHL or SEL, would you guys watch?

MindzEye
09-02-2012, 11:38 PM
I highly doubt it. I have more than enough sports to follow in the winter....I might give the NBA more of my time than I did last year, I'd definitely make the effort to follow Man United closer than I do now ( a lot of affection in that relationship, but it's difficult to watch games when I'm out west ), and I might finally pin down an individual NFL team to cheer for...as a very casual fan, something I've really never done since Barry Sanders retired.

teeds
09-03-2012, 07:15 AM
I am getting close to NOT watching much of any regular season hockey. I quit drinking nine months ago AGAIN. And quit smoking cigarettes a year and a half ago, but hockey, is the toughest, along with coffee.

Rumpleforeskin
09-03-2012, 08:57 AM
in the case of a lockout, if TSN or Sportsnet were to broadcast one of the Euro leagues like KHL or SEL, would you guys watch?

I'd rather them show all the Marlies games, plus more OHL action

worm
09-04-2012, 11:28 AM
I'd rather them show all the Marlies games, plus more OHL action

Yep. I will be going to quite a few WHL games this year (even if the NHL is on).

Alfamale
09-04-2012, 02:57 PM
if there is a lockout it means ill be able to watch yakupov and galchenyuk for another year.

worm
09-04-2012, 03:44 PM
nail is going to russia

signed with a team in the KHL

hairnova
09-11-2012, 09:57 PM
Matt Finn has been named captain of the Storm.

teeds
09-12-2012, 12:44 PM
For all the dumbkoffs(freds again) who are arguing till they are red and blue in the face, that the Leafs did NOT have an advantage prior to 1968, and in FACT won all their Stanley Cups because of an unfair advantage.

All Stanley Cups won by the Leafs and Canadiens SHOULD NOT be considered valid prior to 1976 as a result.

Thus in effect, we have NO Stanely Cups won in a fair environment. Solidifying our rep as worst sports team of all time.
http://proicehockey.about.com/od/hockeyfaqsandtrivia/f/canadiens.htm

LeafGm
09-12-2012, 12:46 PM
You're allergic to facts, aren't you teeds?

JaysCyYoung
09-12-2012, 12:53 PM
RED KELLY WAS NEVER A DETROIT RED WING.

teeds
09-12-2012, 01:12 PM
You're allergic to facts, aren't you teeds?


u on crack?

JaysCyYoung
09-12-2012, 01:15 PM
Letting your ten year-old nephew posting on the forum again I see... get a password, dude.

Aberdeen
09-12-2012, 01:17 PM
Teeds has really kicked it into another gear lately.

teeds
09-12-2012, 01:18 PM
Allergic to facts???? Are you fawking serious? There is YOUR LINK. There it IS. The Leafs and the Canadiens had anyone within 50 miles of Toronto. Or Montreal. In those days, that was HUGE. A complete UNFAIR advantage. Think Stamkos, think Seguin. Think PERIOD.

JaysCyYoung
09-12-2012, 01:19 PM
Dit Clapper was a Hall of Famer from Newmarket, Ontario. He played his entire career with the Boston Bruins.

Your whole premise is one of those myths that one person spouted without reading the facts (a pre-modern teeds) and then a few other people accepted it without checking the facts.

It's been completely deconstructed numerous times over the years and people like you still believe it for some reason. Players of any value were already signed to C Forms, for which they could sign with any team.