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hockeylover
05-01-2007, 02:08 AM
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2007 NHL Entry Draft
June 22-23
1st round @ 7pm on TSN, June 22nd; 2nd-7th rounds @ 10am, June 23rd on NHL Network
Nationwide Arena
Columbus, Ohio



Leafs' Draft Selections
- 1st round, 13th overall
- 2nd round, 44th overall
- 3rd round, 75th overall
- 4th round, 94th overall (PHOENIX)
- 4th round, 105th overall
- 5th round, 135th overall
- 6th round, 165th overall
- 7th round, 195th overall

Draft Order Through Two Rounds
1. Chicago Blackhawks (Draft Lottery Winner)
2. Philadelphia Flyers
3. Phoenix Coyotes
4. Los Angeles Kings
5. Washington Capitals
6. Edmonton Oilers
7. Columbus Bluejackets
8. Boston Bruins
9. St Louis Blues
10. Florida Panthers
11. Carolina Hurricanes
12. Montreal Canadiens
13. Toronto Maple Leafs
14. Colorado Avalanche
15. Edmonton Oilers (from Islanders)
16. Anaheim Ducks (from Lightning)
17. New York Rangers
18. Calgary Flames
19. Minnesota Wild
20. Pittsburgh Penguins
21. Phoenix Coyotes (from Stars)
22. Montreal Canadiens (from Sharks)
23. Philadelphia Flyers (from Predators)
24. St Louis Blues (from Thrashers)
25. Vancouver Canucks
26. St Louis Blues (from Sharks)
27. Detroit Red Wings
28. Washington Capitals (from Sabres)
29. Ottawa Senators
30. Edmonton Oilers (from Ducks)
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31. Buffalo Sabres (from Flyers)
32. Phoenix Coyotes
33. Vancouver Canucks (from Kings)
34. Washington Capitals
35. Chicago Blackhawks
36. Edmonton Oilers
37. Columbus Bluejackets
38. Boston Bruins
39. St Louis Blues
40. Florida Panthers
41. San Jose Sharks (from Hurricanes)
42. Minnesota Wild (Compensation Pick)
43. Montreal Canadiens
44. Toronto Maple Leafs
45. Buffalo Sabres (Compensation Pick)
46. Colorado Avalanche
47. Washington Capitals (from Islanders)
48. Tampa Bay Lightning
49. New York Rangers
50. Colorado Avalanche (from Flames)
51. Dallas Stars (from Wild)
52. Pittsburgh Penguins
53. Los Angeles Kings (from Stars)
54. Columbus Bluejackets (from Sharks)
55. Nashville Predators
56. Colorado Avalanche (from Thrashers)
57. Chicago Blackhawks (from Canucks)
58. New Jersey Devils
59. Florida Panthers (from Red Wings)
60. Buffalo Sabres
61. Ottawa Senators
62. Vancouver Canucks (from Ducks)

LEAFS' DRAFT POSITION: 13th

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ESPN.com - 2007 NHL Draft: Player Rankings (http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=2791312)
*Don't shy away from this link just because it's ESPN. It is written by Mark Seidel, former scout for the ISS and the Wild.

Full NHL Draft Pick Tracker (http://www.freewebs.com/eggmanandwalrus/draft_picks.txt)
*List of all 30 NHL teams and the draft picks they currently own.

Mods can either sticky this thread or people can bookmark it and add as we get closer. It's a work in progress though. :)

HolyPuck
05-01-2007, 02:10 AM
Zach Hamill the speedster would be my pick of choice.

hockeylover
05-01-2007, 02:11 AM
STOLEN from TSB.

BeLeafer
05-01-2007, 02:12 AM
Hey, we actually have a full complement of draft picks. Hurry, fire Junior before he trades them for a washed up flash-in-the-pan!

I really don't know squat about most of these players (just stopped watching hockey almost entirely sometime around early December).

hockeylover
05-01-2007, 02:16 AM
That was March actually it's changed a fair bit since then. I'll post the updated rankings a bit later. :)

soco22
05-01-2007, 09:43 AM
This is where JFJ can do some good in my books. If Esposito is falling, we should really be doing everything in ouw powers to trade up and get him. As this is a weak draft and picking 13th probably won't be like last year where Tlusty fell into our hands.

TimHorton
05-01-2007, 10:43 AM
Bill Sweatt as a 2nd rounder if he lasts that long.

LeafGm
05-01-2007, 01:14 PM
Esposito definitely won't fall to us at 13. One, because that's probably too fall from him anyways, and two, because Montreal's right in front of us, and there's no way that they take a pass on a home-town Montreal boy with star potential. What does JFJ have to offer to trade up though?

hockeylover
05-01-2007, 01:33 PM
Booooo. Where's my draft thread that I stole from TSB?

LeafGm
05-01-2007, 01:56 PM
Ahh, good point HL. Your thread (http://www.forumice.com/showthread.php?t=9916) was here first, and it's fancier looking, so we should probably lock this one up and move the discussion over there. The draft thread is probably something that should be stickied too.

Mats13
05-01-2007, 02:01 PM
I want Hamill i think he is going to be a Parise kind of player.

northernlou
05-01-2007, 02:02 PM
Just stickied HL's draft thread, and I'll close this off gang.

leafman101
05-01-2007, 02:05 PM
I would also go for Hamill. This draft isn't a very good one, and sure Hamill may have flaws in his game, but he is exactly the kind of guy that ends up being a great pick near the end of the first round. Ton of offensive talent and potential, which is what the Leafs need. That is assuming one of those top 11 don't fall.

Volcanologist
05-01-2007, 02:39 PM
BPA of course, but a very skilled forward is what we need to add to the organization.

soco22
05-01-2007, 08:01 PM
My thread was closed for this? This is bullshit! Just because there are pictures and better thoughts to open up with? Horseshit! lol

hockeylover
05-01-2007, 08:47 PM
HAHA :D

Copy and paste your posts in Soco! It's actually really nice to have this up. I'm a huge draft nerd. I just want to start talking hockey and no more BS.

northernlou
05-01-2007, 09:23 PM
A little merge oughta do it.

soco22
05-01-2007, 11:46 PM
It's too late. My thread is a goner....

But...we need to move up to make an impact at this draft. There is a huge drop-off after the top 10 or so. Just like last year, where the drop off was after pick 13, which we luckily had.

Habspatrol
05-01-2007, 11:49 PM
It's too late. My thread is a goner....

But...we need to move up to make an impact at this draft. There is a huge drop-off after the top 10 or so. Just like last year, where the drop off was after pick 13, which we luckily had.

So there was another draft thread!! I could have sworn I read one somewhere in here last night. What the hell happened to it? It could easily have been merged.

hockeylover
05-01-2007, 11:50 PM
I dunno, Soco, I've watched the rankings for months now. They are ALL over the place. I just don't see the cut off.

In fact, look at this - I've kept the top 10 for just about every month...

ISS in November
1. Voracek
2. VanRiemsdyk
3. Couture
4. Alzner
5. Petrecki
6. Esposito
7. Gagner
8. Ellerby
9. Backlund
10. Gillies

McKeen's December
1. Esposito
2. Alzner
3. Voracek
4. Kane
5. Gagner
6. Ellerby
7. Korostin
8. Turris
9. Couture
10. vanRiemsdyk

ISS February
1. Cherepanov
2. Alzner
3. VanRiemsdyk
4. Kane
5. Couture
6. Turris
7. Gagner
8. Ellerby
9. Esposito

McKeen's February
1. Kane
2. Turris
3. Cherepanov
4. Alzner
5. Sutter
6. vanRiemsdyk
7. Ellerby
8. Voracek
9. Gagner
10. Couture

Compare those top 10 lists to now. There is a HUGE discrepancy not only from Month to Month but between different scouting services. I've never seen this much movement. I think all the players are so close. McKeen's thought enough to put Sutter as their #5 in February. Now he doesn't even make their top 20.

BeLeafer
05-02-2007, 12:16 AM
Esposito fell right off the map in February.

When do the next set come out?

soco22
05-02-2007, 12:34 AM
Oh, I was just going by TSN...who was pretty bang on about last draft and how lucky we were at 13. I'm just saying around top 10...cause I can't remember the actual pick number that MacKenzie used.

hockeylover
05-02-2007, 12:47 AM
Oh, I was thinking the same thing originally but with the way things have moved around, I'm thinking there's a pretty good chance the player we pick at 13 might be as good if not better than the player picked at... 6 or 7 for instance. Things are so close that it wouldn't shock me at all if 2 or 3 teams went kinda off the board and took a bit of a surprise pick.

Last year, I correctly predicted the first seven or so picks. The one that surprised me was Okposo to the Islanders, I thought they'd go Mueller. But it was a lot easier, there was more of a consensus on each player. This year, I think there's a good chance I could predict the Top 3 and get none right :(

BL - I'm assuming McKeen's will come out with their next list at the end of the month :)

Habsy
05-02-2007, 12:51 AM
I too have been watching the prospects since around Christmas time and think if you don't pick top 7 it is a very big crap shoot.

Voracek looks like he will be a beast while Cherapanov looks to be another Russian with an attitude like Zherdev and Kovalev.

BeLeafer
05-02-2007, 12:51 AM
Did you know that ...

Before last year, the Leafs only once before selected in the 13th spot ... Jack Valiquette.

Habsy
05-02-2007, 12:53 AM
More useless knowledge for my already filled head. Thanks.

hockeylover
05-02-2007, 12:59 AM
I too have been watching the prospects since around Christmas time and think if you don't pick top 7 it is a very big crap shoot.

Hey, what about you Habsy, do you think it's worth it to move up into that top 7? I don't personally but I like to hear what people think. I think that was a yes from Soco.

BTW guys, I've updated the first post in the thread to include the latest ISS rankings.

BeLeafer
05-02-2007, 01:03 AM
More useless knowledge for my already filled head. Thanks.

Doing my best to fill the inanity void.

Habsy
05-02-2007, 01:41 AM
Hey, what about you Habsy, do you think it's worth it to move up into that top 7? I don't personally but I like to hear what people think. I think that was a yes from Soco.

BTW guys, I've updated the first post in the thread to include the latest ISS rankings.

I think you saw a lot of picks traded at deadline because most teams feel it is a very weak draft. I don't see it as worth it to move up unless it is in the top 4. Picking at 13 (12 for Habs) could be just as good as 8 or 25 for that matter.

Best thing to do would be to see who the Devil's plan on taking and draft that guy.

eason97
05-02-2007, 01:49 AM
Best thing to do would be to see who the Devil's plan on taking and draft that guy.

ditto.

I remember draft day when they moved up to draft Parise and every commentators were calling it a steal.

hockeylover
05-02-2007, 02:18 AM
Best thing to do would be to see who the Devil's plan on taking and draft that guy

LOL. They sure do know how to draft huh?

I think they traded their first to get the Sharks to take Malakhov though.

soco22
05-02-2007, 09:08 AM
ditto.

I remember draft day when they moved up to draft Parise and every commentators were calling it a steal.

It was Pierre McQurire who was going nuts. He was screwing at every team that was not drafting him and then had an orgasm when the Devils traded up to draft him.

hockeylover
05-02-2007, 02:28 PM
Pierre McGuire did that?? That doesn't sound like him at all. ;)

soco22
05-02-2007, 03:30 PM
I think you saw a lot of picks traded at deadline because most teams feel it is a very weak draft. I don't see it as worth it to move up unless it is in the top 4. Picking at 13 (12 for Habs) could be just as good as 8 or 25 for that matter.

Best thing to do would be to see who the Devil's plan on taking and draft that guy.

The worth is that apparently there are X amount of kids that are potentially pretty good picks and then it drops off. Whether it be at the 7th or 9th or 11th or whatever spot. So JFJ best be trying to trade up to grab one of those picks to take away a lot of the risk of our pick...as that 1st round pick is pretty important to our team's future.

soco22
05-02-2007, 03:31 PM
Pierre McGuire did that?? That doesn't sound like him at all. ;)

Sorry lover. I just don't deal with sarcasm that well....

hockeylover
05-02-2007, 03:38 PM
The worth is that apparently there are X amount of kids that are potentially pretty good picks and then it drops off. Whether it be at the 7th or 9th or 11th or whatever spot. So JFJ best be trying to trade up to grab one of those picks to take away a lot of the risk of our pick...as that 1st round pick is pretty important to our team's future.

But you'd be giving up assets to move into a position that is no more certain than at 13. PERSONALLY, I don't think it's worth it THIS year. What about next year to go for Stamkos?

leafman101
05-02-2007, 04:27 PM
This draft is pretty weak. I mean a Jr. A player is considered one of the top 3 players in the draft. There really is no need to move up. Probably better to move the pick if you are going to be dealing, maybe even for a 1st next year.

Unless you can make a move for Esposito.

Viking
05-05-2007, 12:12 AM
Pierre McGuire did that?? That doesn't sound like him at all. ;)

LMAO!!

:lol(18):

soco22
05-05-2007, 01:45 AM
Best thing to do would be to see who the Devil's plan on taking and draft that guy.

Nah. I'm gonna go with steal the Duck's pick. They have been pretty damn solid at the draft table.

BeLeafer
05-05-2007, 01:47 AM
Or they could just ask Quinn who he'd pick.

soco22
05-05-2007, 01:50 AM
Putting on my GLG face...

But Quinn was the worst thing for this organization since Antropov was drafted. He can't compete with JFJ!

Also...I hang out with Fester the Molester and molest little boys at the ACC.

Feyd
05-05-2007, 02:04 AM
Or they could just ask Quinn who he'd pick.
They don't even have to ask him. Just put the names of all the big, hulking, slow-footed players in this draft into a hat and pull one out.

Voila.

BeLeafer
05-05-2007, 02:16 AM
They don't even have to ask him. Just put the names of all the big, hulking, slow-footed players in this draft into a hat and pull one out.

Voila.
I guess that explains guys like Boyes, Colaiacovo, Wellwood, White, Steen, Stajan, Kronwall and Williams ... eh?

Feyd
05-05-2007, 02:19 AM
I guess that explains guys like Boyes, Colaiacovo, Wellwood, White, Steen, Stajan, Kronwall and Williams ... eh?
It was a joke...

But in all honesty, I feel more comfortable with JFJ at the draft table than Quinn. Drafting appears to be one of JFJ's (few) strengths...

And as for Wellwood, White and Williams... yeah, those picks look good now in retrospect, but there's no way in hell Quinn (or any other GM) knew the league would open up as it has with the post-lockout rule changes. Under the old rules those three would be hard pressed to crack an NHL lineup, which is largely why they were drafted as late as they were.

BeLeafer
05-05-2007, 02:26 AM
It was a joke...

But in all honesty, I feel more comfortable with JFJ at the draft table than Quinn. Drafting appears to be one of JFJ's (few) strengths...
Fair enough ... just remember to put a smile thing in there for those of us not so swift on the sarcasm.

It's always hard to say at this stage. Someone mentioned yesterday that he's we've yet to see a single Junior draftee play an NHL game after four years. That's not too impressive, but it's also the outcome of stupidly trading away a lot of picks.

At the same time, Junior's drafts only really begin in earnest in 2005 or 06, as Trapp and other Quinn guys were still largely running that end of things.

There's a few that look to have some promise, but it's still too early to tell.

soco22
05-05-2007, 02:29 AM
Someone = me.

But JFJ's issue has been trading away picks at the moment.

BeLeafer
05-05-2007, 02:35 AM
That's right ... sorry about the weak memory.

Yeah, the big problem is trading away the picks.

At the same time, just about everything this guy touches turns to shit, so be prepared for some disappointments on the draft front.

Feyd
05-05-2007, 02:35 AM
Fair enough ... just remember to put a smile thing in there for those of us not so swift on the sarcasm.

It's always hard to say at this stage. Someone mentioned yesterday that he's we've yet to see a single Junior draftee play an NHL game after four years. That's not too impressive, but it's also the outcome of stupidly trading away a lot of picks.

At the same time, Junior's drafts only really begin in earnest in 2005 or 06, as Trapp and other Quinn guys were still largely running that end of things.

There's a few that look to have some promise, but it's still too early to tell.
Yeah, I believe JFJ's first draft where he had full control was '05, where he drafted Rask and the-player-everyone's-talking-about, Stralman.

BeLeafer
05-05-2007, 02:40 AM
Stralman looks like a classic diamond in the rough, late rounder.

LeafGm
05-06-2007, 12:09 AM
Yeah, I rip into JFJ for anything I can possibly rip into him for, but the jury's still out on his drafting. He's picked up a couple of guys with later picks (Stralman and Kulemin) that look like they could turn out to be real gems, so that's one of the very few things he has going for him.

And then onto a question for next year's draft...is John Tavares available in the 2008 draft, or the 2009 draft? Because if we have to suffer through another year of JFJ, Raycroft and the same 'ole gang, it might actually be worth suffering through a miserable season if it means we might get a shot at Tavares next year.

hockeylover
05-06-2007, 12:14 AM
John Tavares is a 2009 - I know, crazy. The 2009 draft, while a ways away is supposed to be phenomenal. There's this defenseman in Sweden who's getting a lot of attention; I think his name is Victor Hedman. His brother, Oscar, is a Washington pick.

Notable 2008 eligible guys are Drew Doughty, Michael Del Zotto, Steven Stamkos.


Yeah, I rip into JFJ for anything I can possibly rip into him for, but the jury's still out on his drafting. He's picked up a couple of guys with later picks (Stralman and Kulemin) that look like they could turn out to be real gems though, so that's one of the very few things he has going for him.

I don't know who to give credit to. The Stralman pick was with JFJ as GM of course, but as far as I know, Barry Trapp was still the head of amateur scouting that year and he's a Quinn guy. Now Kulemin is a Dave Morrison pick, who JFJ made head of scouting. Kulemin has had a TERRIFIC year. James Reimer had a good season too I believe. We'll see how it all plays out I guess.

LeafGm
05-06-2007, 12:19 AM
Ahh, that sucks then. I'd rather not be a basement team for two more years, but you never know with the people we've got right now....

Feyd
05-06-2007, 12:37 AM
It doesn't matter, I bet we wouldn't get the 1st overall pick even if we did tank it. This team is cursed enough to get screwed by the lottery.

Rumpleforeskin
05-10-2007, 10:43 AM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=10631&hubname=

Logan Couture eh anybody know anything about him?

soco22
05-10-2007, 10:50 AM
I want that last Staal brother....badly.

Not only will he most likely be talented...but his brothers might want to come over to play with him in Toronto (it could happen down the road).

leafman101
05-10-2007, 11:39 AM
I've read that the quote saying Jarred Staal was the best of the brothers was a misquote, and the guy was actually talking about Jordan. It would make sense seeing as how Jerred scored like 6 points in the OHL this year, and Jordan is probably the most talented one of the first three.

As far as the draft goes, I say go Zach Hamill. Other than the obvious guys at the top, he is by far the most prolific offensive talent that will be available to the Leafs (Unless Espo falls). He may have question marks, but this team needs to take a chance on a guy like that.

soco22
05-10-2007, 01:35 PM
That's saddening.

hockeylover
05-14-2007, 12:25 AM
I heard Jared didn't get any ice time this year although I'm not sure if that was more due to not earning it or more due to them having a pretty good squad. Either way, I think he might get more minutes/responsibility next year so we'll see how he handles it. I heard the same thing as Leafman - that "the youngest one is the best" quote was actually meant for Jordan.

He's a 2008 draft eligible IIRC.

Feyd
05-14-2007, 12:39 AM
I can see Jordan becoming the best (although I haven't seen much of Marc). Jordan will likely win a Selke trophy very shortly. Not only does he have great offensive talent, but he is *so* defensively aware that it's hard to believe he's under 20. Most 10+ year veterans don't have the defensive awareness that Jordan has shown in his rookie year.

The Staal's have good hockey genes. I bet Jared turns out to be at least a dependable 2nd/3rd liner.

teeds
05-20-2007, 12:32 PM
I think Quinn had some aforeknowledge of the NHL opening things up. I think he mentioned on a few occasions.

hockeylover
05-22-2007, 02:49 AM
If it's down to Couture, I'd almost rather trade down and pick up two 2nd rounders for my 1st or something like that.

hockeylover
05-28-2007, 04:54 PM
This is what some scouts have to say about Lars Eller. A lot of people feel he could be a steal coming out of the draft.


He's fundamentally a very skilled player and has a tremendous upside. He's a good skater, fantastic stickhandler, has soft hands, is unpredictable (to defenses) and has amazing ice vision. He often gains the offensive blueline with ease and displays fine stickhandling and top-notch dekes. At the same time, he can turn on a dime and fire incredibly beautiful passes laterally or diagonally.

Eller is good both at directing a powerplay as a playmaker or playing as a finisher. He can make slick passes and has a very hard slapshot. He's actually blessed with both a sharp, accurate wrist shot and a hard slapper and is a very effective finisher when he's near the net.

Defensively, he's very reliable and consistent. Eller can be called a two-way center, although he's not quite the equal of teammate Joakim Andersson. Eller kills penalties well, works hard and is becoming an accomplished faceoff man. His greatest attribute is his ice vision. Combined with his other skills, he has sky-high potential. Often, he leaves you saying "Wow" after you watch some of the things he can do on the ice.


EliteProspects.com (Johan Nilsson):
"Eller is very solid all around and a skilled forward. Eller has quick feet, soft hands and a good work ethic. He is a skilled playmaker, but also a decent scorer. Wors hard and is valuable in shorthanded situations. Quite [a] spectacular player with few weaknesses."

How would you rate his skill level?


"He has no real weaknesses to his game. Skating- top notch. Stickhandling-top notch. Passing-- top notch. Plus he's a mature, two-way player. He's filling out his frame, so size isn't really a concern any more. He isn't afraid to get hit. If there's a flaw, it's that he's sometimes a little too unselfish and passes up open shots."

hockeylover
05-31-2007, 02:39 AM
http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2007/05/30/4219100-sun.html


A number of mock drafts suggest Backlund will land with the Maple Leafs with the No. 13 overall pick, but there is no guarantee Toronto will stay in that slot.

General manager John Ferguson said the Leafs would contemplate trading down during a seven-round draft in which they own eight picks.

TimHorton
05-31-2007, 11:38 AM
trade up fool, not down.

hockeylover
05-31-2007, 02:12 PM
trade up fool, not down.

I want them to consider trading down too so I guess I'm a fool as well!

LeafGm
05-31-2007, 02:20 PM
trade up fool, not down.
Last year that might've made sense, but apparantly there's a lot of parity in this draft after the first few picks. So, if the Leafs move down a few spots and pick up a second rounder for it, then it's probably something they should look at doing, unless a player that their scouts are absolutely drooling over has fallen down to the #13 pick.

Habsy
05-31-2007, 02:21 PM
Why trade up in such a poor draft? If you can't get to top 5 you may as well trade down.

hockeylover
05-31-2007, 02:24 PM
Why trade up in such a poor draft? If you can't get to top 5 you may as well trade down.

:iagree:

Rumour has it that Chicago is high on Patrick Kane, and Philly has had multiple interviews with Kyle Turris, leading people to believe they are leaning towards him. I thought for sure they'd go vanRiemsdyk - he just seemed like such a Phillyesque pick, but they're under Holmgren now so who knows.

TimHorton
05-31-2007, 02:33 PM
If Esposito is at 8 or 9 and you don't go after him you'll regret for a long, long time.

Attitude issues my ass.

hockeylover
05-31-2007, 03:01 PM
In the first 5 rounds, we have 6 picks.

13th
43rd
73rd
92nd
103rd
133rd

I wouldn't mind us trading the 13th pick for a late first rounder and a mid second rounder, and packaging up Phoenix's high fourth (2nd pick in the 4th round) and our fourth for an extra 3rd.

This would give us 5 picks in the top 90 instead of 3.

LeafGm
05-31-2007, 03:41 PM
:iagree:

Rumour has it that Chicago is high on Patrick Kane, and Philly has had multiple interviews with Kyle Turris, leading people to believe they are leaning towards him. I thought for sure they'd go vanRiemsdyk - he just seemed like such a Phillyesque pick, but they're under Holmgren now so who knows.
Man...if Chicago picks up Patrick Kane, they have the potential to have a pretty ridiculous young pairing with him and Jonathan Toews. Maybe I'm relying on too small a sample size, but from the games I saw at the WJC's, Patrick Kane is a future 50 goal-scoring winger in the making. And then we all already know what Toews brings to the table.

hockeylover
05-31-2007, 09:17 PM
Another article that I think supports my push to consider trading down...

Class of 2007 Could Be Rich in Sleeper Picks by Bill Meltzer
May 30, 2007

http://flyers.nhl.com/team/app?articleid=314692&page=NewsPage&service=page


Speculation is rampant about whom the Philadelphia Flyers will select with the second overall pick of the 2007 NHL Entry Draft. That player will draw the lion’s share of attention on draft day and face the most scrutiny in the years to come. But in a year when there is little scouting consensus at the top of the draft class, 2007 is a bottom-heavy draft with an array of appealing prospects with the potential to blossom in the future.

That bodes well for the Flyers, who hold a late first round selection (23rd overall, acquired from the Nashville Predators in the Peter Forsberg trade) in addition to the second pick.

Describes some of the guys who may slip to later in the first round and since this is a Flyers article, how they might benefit from having Nashville's 23rd overall pick.

Some of the guys they talk about who they think could fall or have fallen are Hamill, Backlund (although I don't think so, I would be surprised if he was available at our pick), Couture (fell to 19th NA skater in CSS rankings), Sutter (Would Calgary pass on a Sutter boy at 18?), Gillies, Eller (ISS has him at 18th, but HockeyNews doesn't see him going in the first round. I think he'll go higher personally or at least should. I like this guy a lot.), Hjalmarsson, Pacioretty, Moller, Legein (kind of small for my liking. I guess Moller is too though. They at least are gritty), Blum, Petrecki, Shattenkirk, Cross, McDonagh (who I really like), Katic (from Sarnia in OHL, huge Leaf fan).

Habsy
05-31-2007, 09:30 PM
If Esposito is at 8 or 9 and you don't go after him you'll regret for a long, long time.

Attitude issues my ass.

You can bank on it that Espo will not be there at 13 for sure because if, by some strange reason, he is there at 12, the Habs will be all over him as a home grown talent.

hockeylover
05-31-2007, 09:58 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/cupscout/

This is a great draft resource. This person put a lot of time and effort into this and I think his scouting reports are kind of a change from the CSS and ISS ones that IMO, start to sound more or less all the same after a while!

Don't necessarily agree with the mock draft or the description for the Leafs though.

number17
06-01-2007, 09:20 AM
If you read this guy's take on Toronto:

"Notes: Toronto has a very weak prospect pool that can be attributed to years of deadline deals, trading picks for established NHL players. They do have limited depth at the Goaltending position but desperately need skilled forwards and defensemen to develop as the current Leaf core is aging rapidly."

I don't know if Toronto has limited depth at goaltending, after trading Rask away. I also don't think offensive defenseman is our secondary priority at all ... the Leafs already have too many defensemen in the system, especially offensive defensemen. The Leafs' biggest need obviously is scoring winger, and behind that probably goaltender.

soco22
06-01-2007, 12:34 PM
Edmonton and Columbus are two teams I could see trading their draft picks, and Espo should be available at those picks, based on the rankings.

TimHorton
06-01-2007, 01:18 PM
You can bank on it that Espo will not be there at 13 for sure because if, by some strange reason, he is there at 12, the Habs will be all over him as a home grown talent.

That's why I said move up.

hockeylover
06-01-2007, 01:54 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=7287&hubname=

Day 1 Combine Diary... Some results from fitness testing...

hockeylover
06-01-2007, 07:23 PM
From TSN update:


5:00pm et - Keaton Ellerby is a big kid, but he definitely needs more weight. His lack of strength showed on the bench.

Karl Alzner didn't show a lot strength wise for somebody who is 6' 2'' and 202 lbs. He looked a little soft as far as body composition goes.

Californian Jonathan Blum put on a display in the balance portion - true to his surfer form.

James vanRiemsdyk looked very strong with 11 reps a machine.

Kyle Turris, who is on the small side, definitely did not embarrass himself. He showed excellent agility and his balance was well above average.

Thomas Hickey was good on the sprint bike and did well in control and stamina.

Patrick Kane attracted a lot of attention and did nothing to disappoint teams from taking him with top pick. He looked to be strong and in good shape.

Dana Tyrell, who is just 5'11'' and 180 lbs, had an impressive 12 reps on the bench - more than likely the high of the day He showed strength beyond his size. He also ripped it up on the sprint-bike and did well in agility. People seemed surprised at how well he did.

hockeylover
06-03-2007, 07:12 PM
OK, so I thought for sure Chicago was going to pick Kane.

But this is what Hawks' GM Tallon said about Kyle Turris...

"That's the kind of kid that you want your daughter to bring home. In fact, I have a few. Maybe if he signs a long contract. . . ."

Hmm.

Habsy
06-03-2007, 09:55 PM
http://www.freewebs.com/cupscout/

This is a great draft resource. This person put a lot of time and effort into this and I think his scouting reports are kind of a change from the CSS and ISS ones that IMO, start to sound more or less all the same after a while!

Don't necessarily agree with the mock draft or the description for the Leafs though.

I disagree with his mock draft as well. It is also hard to put any credence into anything someone says when they can't spell the names of NHL teams correctly. If you can't take the time to spell correctly, why should anyone think you know anything at all?

hockeylover
06-04-2007, 11:07 PM
True Habsy, but other than the mock I think he did a pretty solid job on it.

hockeylover
06-07-2007, 03:47 PM
Leafs' Draft Selections
- 1st round, 13th overall
- 2nd round, 44th overall
- 3rd round, 75th overall
- 4th round, 94th overall (PHOENIX)
- 4th round, 105th overall
- 5th round, 135th overall
- 6th round, 165th overall
- 7th round, 195th overall

Draft Order Through Two Rounds
1. Chicago Blackhawks (Draft Lottery Winner)
2. Philadelphia Flyers
3. Phoenix Coyotes
4. Los Angeles Kings
5. Washington Capitals
6. Edmonton Oilers
7. Columbus Bluejackets
8. Boston Bruins
9. St Louis Blues
10. Florida Panthers
11. Carolina Hurricanes
12. Montreal Canadiens
13. Toronto Maple Leafs
14. Colorado Avalanche
15. Edmonton Oilers (from Islanders)
16. Anaheim Ducks (from Lightning)
17. New York Rangers
18. Calgary Flames
19. Minnesota Wild
20. Pittsburgh Penguins
21. Phoenix Coyotes (from Stars)
22. Montreal Canadiens (from Sharks)
23. Philadelphia Flyers (from Predators)
24. St Louis Blues (from Thrashers)
25. Vancouver Canucks
26. St Louis Blues (from Sharks)
27. Detroit Red Wings
28. Washington Capitals (from Sabres)
29. Ottawa Senators
30. Edmonton Oilers (from Ducks)
-------------------------------------
31. Buffalo Sabres (from Flyers)
32. Phoenix Coyotes
33. Vancouver Canucks (from Kings)
34. Washington Capitals
35. Chicago Blackhawks
36. Edmonton Oilers
37. Columbus Bluejackets
38. Boston Bruins
39. St Louis Blues
40. Florida Panthers
41. San Jose Sharks (from Hurricanes)
42. Minnesota Wild (Compensation Pick)
43. Montreal Canadiens
44. Toronto Maple Leafs
45. Buffalo Sabres (Compensation Pick)
46. Colorado Avalanche
47. Washington Capitals (from Islanders)
48. Tampa Bay Lightning
49. New York Rangers
50. Colorado Avalanche (from Flames)
51. Dallas Stars (from Wild)
52. Pittsburgh Penguins
53. Los Angeles Kings (from Stars)
54. Columbus Bluejackets (from Sharks)
55. Nashville Predators
56. Colorado Avalanche (from Thrashers)
57. Chicago Blackhawks (from Canucks)
58. New Jersey Devils
59. Florida Panthers (from Red Wings)
60. Buffalo Sabres
61. Ottawa Senators
62. Vancouver Canucks (from Ducks)

Should be pretty accurate.

hockeylover
06-08-2007, 12:55 AM
Few scouting reports...

Backlund - 2nd ranked European skater by CSS

Mikael Backlund is a Swede who is a good, solid prospect. He’s got some offense and one of his main strengths is that he is very good on the power play. He has a good stick, is smart, and is good with the puck. I wouldn’t put him in the [Peter] Forsberg category because that’s not fair, but he’s a smart player and is one of the best European prospects in this year’s draft.
- Director of Hockey Operations Chris Pryor

Great hockey sense and on ice vision are his best attributes. Backlund can do it all skill wise and is a very good skater blesses with great speed and soft hands that can dangle at that high speed. He can finish with a nice shot but his strength is as a playmaker that can set-up a winger with a nifty pass when it looks like there is no lane. Has the size to play in the NHL now and is a good faceoff man.

Joakim Andersson, F, Frölunda (6’2, 198 lbs)
- 5th among European skaters by CSS

Andersson is a very complete two-way center in the Samuel Påhlsson mold. It's a comparision that has come up frequently the last two years, as Andersson has emerged as a top prospect. He has very good size and strength and leadership abilities, is aggressive and pretty physical, but could still play the body even more. His hockey sense is very good and playmaking ability above average. A good penalty killer and defensively the best draft-eligible Swedish forward this year. The knock on Andersson is his skating and mobility. Not the slowest of skaters by any means, but his acceleration could use some work.

*Can't access the mid-term CSS rankings, the page won't load right now because I'm having computer troubles. Will add them later.

BeLeafer
06-08-2007, 01:14 AM
Hey, HL, thanks for all of this info!

If you put scouting reports up, would it be too much to ask to include their CSS rankings -- midseason, end of year?

hockeylover
06-08-2007, 01:16 AM
Can do.

Also, please come back and bring others so I'm not in here talking to myself :D

BeLeafer
06-08-2007, 01:26 AM
Thanks .... this one will start gathering steam now that the playoffs are done.

hockeylover
06-08-2007, 01:27 AM
I think my preferred players for our 13th pick, providing we don't trade it, are Mikael Backlund and Lars Eller. I have a few others I wouldn't mind either.

Lars Eller - 3rd ranked Euro by CSS

Position: Center
Shoots: Left
Date of Birth: May 8, 1989
Height: 6’-0”
Weight: 198 LBS
06-07 League: Sweden Jr.
06-07 Team: Frolunda Jr.
Stats: 39 GP 18 G 37 A 55 PTS

Strengths: A good skater, Lars possesses that extra gear that is needed to be a goal scorer in the NHL Has a good shot selection and can score many different ways. Very quick, accurate wrist shot. Protects the puck well and is surprisingly strong. Plays an offensive game but can and will play both ways when needed. Rises up when put under pressure. Lars is not afraid to drive to the net or play in traffic areas. Plays the body whenever he can. Great attitude and work ethic. Has nice playmaking ability to compliment his finishing skills.
Weakness: Not a lot of weakness in this player, if any. He could use more strength and maybe work on his foot speed, but like I said he is a very complete prospect without glaring holes.
NHL Potential: First line scoring winger.
Boom or Bust Potential: Low risk, will develop into one of the best players to come out of this draft.
Extra Note: I like Lars a lot and think he could slip into the top 10 this June, one of the best Danish prospects in many years.

BeLeafer
06-08-2007, 01:33 AM
Is there a good source for finding video of any of these guys?

hockeylover
06-08-2007, 01:40 AM
http://www.isshockey.com/

They have some.

Also, Youtube has a couple of Zach Hamill, ranked 9th by CSS.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gVpneQeJavE

Hamill Shootout Goal (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cTOr_mBnPiE)

BeLeafer
06-08-2007, 02:09 AM
Hey, thanks ... I'm on the fast track to getting up to speed for the draft. Although, I must admit that I always feel at a bit of a loss if I haven't seen guys play live.

hockeylover
06-09-2007, 01:02 PM
Leafs' Draft Central @ MapleLeafs.com (http://www.mapleleafs.com/draft2007.asp)

Article: Who will the Leafs draft? (http://www.mapleleafs.com/news/news.asp?story_id=2613)

Habsy
06-09-2007, 01:16 PM
I am surprised they even have Esposito on that list of 10. I just don't see him being there at 13.

hockeylover
06-09-2007, 01:26 PM
Me neither. I think he'll go top 10. And if he somehow dropped, the Habs pick before us anyway. But it's just a reporter's opinion anyway.

Habspatrol
06-09-2007, 05:20 PM
Me neither. I think he'll go top 10. And if he somehow dropped, the Habs pick before us anyway. But it's just a reporter's opinion anyway.

Yep, I can't really see the Habs passing on a small soft forward.
Do you think the Leafs really have much interest in him? I guess he would be the best player left at that pount if he lasts.

Habsy
06-09-2007, 05:21 PM
Esposito is a home run or strike out. High risk but high reward potential.

hockeylover
06-09-2007, 05:33 PM
BL, Tons of prospect videos can be found HERE. (http://www.canucks.com/subpage.asp?sectionID=822)

I really hope this thread picks up soon. Draft is in two weeks!

hockeylover
06-11-2007, 07:23 PM
Top 70 Prospects/Draft Guide from a Leaf fan's perspective (http://my.tbaytel.net/tlappala/Top%2070%20Prospects.htm)

Again, I don't necessarily agree with all of these blurbs but this guy put a lot of effort into this and I like to read as many people's views as possible. So I'll post it in case anyone's curious!

BeLeafer
06-11-2007, 11:22 PM
Top 70 Prospects/Draft Guide from a Leaf fan's perspective (http://my.tbaytel.net/tlappala/Top%2070%20Prospects.htm)

Again, I don't necessarily agree with all of these blurbs but this guy put a lot of effort into this and I like to read as many people's views as possible. So I'll post it in case anyone's curious!

Hey, that's another great link -- thanks, HL!

hockeylover
06-12-2007, 02:42 PM
McKeen's Final Rankings
1. Patrick Kane
2. Kyle Turris
3. Jakub Voracek
4. Karl Alzner
5. James van Riemsdyk
6. Alexei Cherepanov
7. Kevin Shattenkirk
8. Ryan McDonagh
9. Sam Gagner
10. Logan Couture
11. Bill Sweatt
12. Zach Hamill
13. Lars Eller
14. Keaton Ellerby
15. Logan MacMillan
16. Angelo Esposito
17. Nick Petrecki
18. Michal Repik
19. Mikael Backlund
20. Max Pacioretty
21. Patrick White
22. Brett MacLean
23. Simon Hjalmarsson
24. Brandon Sutter
25. Jonathan Blum
26. Ian Cole
27. Mark Katic
28. Dana Tyrell
29. Thomas Hickey
30. Teddy Ruth

ISS Final Rankings
1. Patrick Kane
2. James vanRiemsdyk
3. Kyle Turris
4. Alexei Cherepanov
5. Jakub Voracek
6. Karl Alzner
7. Sam Gagner
8. Maxim Mayorov
9. Keaton Ellerby
10. Mikael Backlund
11. Angelo Esposito
12. Colton Gillies
13. Logan Couture
14. Nick Petrecki
15. David Perron
16. Zach Hamill
17. Thomas Hickey
18. Lars Eller
19. Ryan McDonagh
20. John Blum
21. Brett MacLean
22. Jim O'Brien
23. Pat White
24. Logan MacMillan
25. Oscar Moller
26. Michal Repik
27. Kevin Shattenkirk
28. Alex Plante
29. Tommy Cross
30. Brandon Sutter
______________________

Interesting differences.

Shattenkirk - 7th, 27th
McDonagh - 8th, 19th
Gillies - 12th, out of top 30
Perron - 15th, out of top 30
Mayorov - 8th, out of top 30

mikedumar
06-12-2007, 11:37 PM
michal repik is going to be the hidden gem of this draft !!!

this kid is all blood sweat and tears !! he has done so much to get to this point and is not going to fudge it up

his rating is alot lower, due to the concussion he had halfway through the season, but as soon as it came playoff time, this kid was simply dominating on all levels !!

he plays like a canadian, and proabably helps at the fact he moved to canada on his own at the age of 16 to join the whl giants

this kid is what this team has been missing for a long time, a very skilled and strong winger

forget all the other kids with half attitudes and poor work ethics, this kid is one that is a must pick if you have the ability to pick him !

michal repik is going to do quite well in the NHL, mark my words !!

mikedumar
06-12-2007, 11:39 PM
http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2007/05/30/4219100-sun.html

if this is true, toronto has their eyes keenly on repik, and feel they can score a win, with this scenario

if fergie can pull this off, and still trade a gem like repik, im going to start thinking differently about fergie !

hockeylover
06-12-2007, 11:49 PM
haha I was expecting something about Repik from you Mike.

hockeylover
06-12-2007, 11:52 PM
For some reason that article is not accessible. Can you give us a few quotes, Mike?

mikedumar
06-12-2007, 11:55 PM
why is that ?

my money is on this kid, just like bryan little of last year, which I was real sad to see him go one pick prior to the leafs picking

this repik kid, stands out amongst the rest of this crew, his maturity and dedication speaks volumes over the rest of the kids, and to boot his skill and toughness, should rank him easily in the top ten

a freak injury at christmas time, has thrown him in the gutters in regards to rating this kid, but man did he sure turn heads in the playoffs recently

repik is going to be the hidden gem, BOOK IT ~!~!

mikedumar
06-13-2007, 12:06 AM
Repik is a physical winger who plays tough in high traffic areas and loves to hit. When his team has possession in the offensive zone he invariably ends up in front of the net wreaking havoc. He has very good hand-eye coordination and does a good job redirecting the puck. Repik is an intelligent player who has a very good understanding of spacing both on the rush and in the offensive zone. He drives relentlessly to the net and seemingly without fear. He skates well and is confident while carrying the puck. Overall Repik is an extremely efficient player who produces something positive most shifts. He does not appear to have any significant or glaring weaknesses.



insight to his ability

hockeylover
06-13-2007, 12:38 AM
why is that ?

Because I've seen your posts on Hockey's Future so I knew you were big on him!

Are you concerned at all about his size? (5'10")

ForeverTML
06-14-2007, 03:55 PM
Im not too sure Backlund will be available when we select though.

I bet we pick a Euro though, just to piss of Cherry. I hope to got we get a LW or a RW, we have way too many centers and d men on our system.

hockeylover
06-14-2007, 04:19 PM
I bet we pick a Euro though, just to piss of Cherry. I hope to got we get a LW or a RW, we have way too many centers and d men on our system.

On the big club we have a lot of centers but in terms of prospect depth, our center prospects are Tlusty and then wayyy down the list Rau and Mitchell. I don't think there's any position that our prospects standout so much that we couldn't use another one, though I definitely prefer to draft a forward with our 13th and it seems like that's the Leafs' preference too.

If Backlund drops to us, I'd pick him. If not, I think I want to take a shot at Lars Eller. If we pick Gillies, I'll be f'in ticked.

hockeylover
06-14-2007, 04:23 PM
Not that it matters at all... but for interest's sake...

Leaf fans in the Draft :D
Karl Alzner
Akim Aliu
Luca Caputi
Mitch Fadden
Mark Katic
Brett Leffler
Spencer Machacek
Mickey Renaud
Nick Spaling

ForeverTML
06-14-2007, 04:54 PM
Well going forward we have Tlusty, Wellwood, Steen as centers who are all projected to be pretty good down the road.

Oh and you can add Sam Gagner to that list too. I read somewhere where a reporter asked him a question about which team he wanted to be picked by and he mentioned the leafs right off the bat. That'd be a dream though if he's still available.

hockeylover
06-14-2007, 05:17 PM
Well going forward we have Tlusty, Wellwood, Steen as centers who are all projected to be pretty good down the road.

Yup, that's true. But the guys you are drafting are 17, 18 By the time they are ready, your needs could be totally different.

For instance... right NOW our D is all locked up. But let's just say our scouts think that Ryan McDonagh has the best potential of who's left at 13. He's a defenseman right out of highschool. He turned 18 yesterday and is committed to Wisconsin next season. Just say he is ready to go pro after 3 seasons at Wisconsin... well at that point Hal Gill and Kubina's contracts are up, you mighta traded an Ian White or a Staffan Kronwall, and Colaiacovo could very well kill himself before then the way he's going with injuries :D Who the heck knows?

I think you go BPA (I think it'll be a forward anyway), especially in a draft like this, and if you take needs into consideration, I think it should be needs in terms of prospect depth. But that's just IMO.

Rumpleforeskin
06-15-2007, 02:41 PM
just to throw in my 2 cents my top 5 picks for our 13th overall would be

1 Logan Couture

2 Stefan Legein

3 Zack Hamill

4 Brett Maclean

5 Max Pacioretty

hockeylover
06-15-2007, 03:09 PM
I think I'd only pick Legein if he dropped to us at 44. He's super fast and says he says he models his game after Darcy Tucker read: gritty, determined and will take a beating out there. I like his game but I'm a bit concerned about his size combined with that style (he's only 5'9" but plays way bigger - that's great but will it lead to him being prone to injury?)

My picks are Backlund, Couture, Hamill, and Eller. My "Please, not at 13" is Gillies.

Rumpleforeskin
06-15-2007, 04:04 PM
Backlund sounds great too, what's the negatives with Gillies?

Habsy
06-15-2007, 04:19 PM
Cement hands

Rumpleforeskin
06-15-2007, 04:22 PM
that would be a pretty big negative

Habsy
06-15-2007, 04:39 PM
Gillies may be another Chad Kilger type. Capable but nothing special.

hockeylover
06-15-2007, 04:56 PM
Gillies may be another Chad Kilger type. Capable but nothing special

I agree!

He does have positives. He's about 6'4",has awesome speed, he's a great leader and does everything you ask from him - but if he can't score in Saskatoon of the WHL, how the heck is he gonna score in Toronto of the NHL? He only had 30 pts in 65 games in Saskatoon and I think his team has even started playing him on D, if I recall correctly. Is he a player I'd want in the system? Probably. Is he a player I want my team taking at 13? No. [/rant] :D

soco22
06-15-2007, 05:34 PM
Okay, there were so many things wrong with that last statement. But the most glaring whole in your speech was that you didn't have the before you starting ranting. You can't just have the at the end! Geez.

But I foresee us actually making a move up this year....don't think I've ever thought this way heading into a draft. But I feel like Columbus and Edmonton are two teams that could be very willing to move down.

TimHorton
06-15-2007, 05:40 PM
Espo, Espo, Espo

hockeylover
06-15-2007, 06:15 PM
Okay, there were so many things wrong with that last statement. But the most glaring whole in your speech was that you didn't have the before you starting ranting. You can't just have the at the end! Geez.

Picky, picky, picky! :D

Habsy
06-15-2007, 07:23 PM
Rumor has it Chicago is shopping their first overall pick. Apparently they have targeted a player they feel they can get in the latter part of the first round. This was floated by peanut head so take it for what it is worth.

hockeylover
06-15-2007, 07:39 PM
Another rumour is that Florida is considering moving their first for more immediate help.

Instead of trading UP, could we trade flat out for the 10th overall, I wonder? Two first round picks would be just too much excitement for me.

Habsy
06-15-2007, 07:40 PM
Habs have two this year, Oilers have 3 for petes sake.

hockeylover
06-15-2007, 07:45 PM
Habs have two this year, Oilers have 3 for petes sake.

As does St Louis! Actually, St Louis' picks are pretty awesome. They pick 6 times, almost 7 in the top 100.

9, 24, 26, 39, 71, 81, 101

Habsy
06-15-2007, 08:05 PM
That's insane. Thank goodness it is a relatively weak draft this year.

hockeylover
06-15-2007, 08:13 PM
Yep. True.

But man, I don't see a whole lot of difference between the guys we picked in the 50-60 range for our rankings, and the guys St Louis could end up taking at 71, 81, and 101. Kinda scary. A lot of parity in this draft. How hard was picking a top 60?

Habsy
06-15-2007, 08:14 PM
Extremely. I would say it even got difficult after the top 15.

hockeylover
06-16-2007, 12:40 AM
http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/9753

Hockey's Future Leafs Draft Preview

hockeylover
06-16-2007, 12:43 AM
For those of you that have NHL Network... They have some draft specials on Thursday.

6:00 PM - Top 10 Draft picks of 1998
6:30 PM - NHL Productions Presents: 2007 Draft Preview
7:00 PM - NHL On The Fly: 2007 Draft Special
8:00 PM - NHL All Access: 2004 NHL Draft
9:00 PM - NHL All Access: At The 2005 NHL Entry Draft
10:30 PM - NHL All Access: 2006 Entry Draft
11:30 PM - NHL On The Fly: 2007 Combine Special

hockeylover
06-18-2007, 01:53 PM
- Draft Preview on NHL Network tonight at 6:30.

hockeylover
06-18-2007, 09:04 PM
My Draft Rankings

1. Kyle Turris
2. Patrick Kane
3. James vanRiemsdyk
4. Karl Alzner
5. Alexei Cherepanov
6. Jakub Voracek
7. Sam Gagner
8. Angelo Esposito
9. Mikael Backlund
10. Keaton Ellerby
11. Logan Couture
12. Lars Eller
13. Zach Hamill
14. Ryan McDonagh
15. Kevin Shattenkirk
16. Maxim Mayorov
17. Jonathon Blum
18. Brett MacLean
19. David Perron
20. Nick Petricki
21. Brandon Sutter
22. Alex Plante
23. Oscar Moller
24. Max Pacioretty
25. Michal Repik
26. Tommy Cross
27. Thomas Hickey
28. Colton Gillies
29. Patrick White
30. Logan MacMillan
-------------------------
31. Mike Hoeffel
32. Colby Cohen
33. Keven Veilleux
34. Joakim Andersson
35. Dana Tyrell
36. Billy Sweatt
37. Jim O'Brien
38. Teddy Ruth
39. Nicklas Torp
40. Simon Hjalmarsson
41. Ian Cole
42. Stefan Legein
43. Nick Spaling
44. TJ Brennan
45. Nick Ross
46. Akim Aliu
47. Zack Torquato
48. TJ Galiardi
49. Sergei Korostin
50. Kevin Marshall
51. Ben Ryan
52. Maxim Goncharov
53. Evgeni Dadonov
54. Ruslan Bashkirov
55. Taylor Ellington
56. Bryan Cameron
57. David Skokan
58. Nicklas Lucenius
59. Jens Hellgren
60. Maxim Gratchev

Changed it around a bit Habsy :) The more I look at it the more I change my mind on certain guys actually.

I want Backlund, Couture, Eller or Hamill.

Habsy
06-18-2007, 09:26 PM
If you keep staring long enough HL I swear you can see Jesus' face.


Not an easy exercise.

Habsy
06-18-2007, 09:27 PM
- Draft Preview on NHL Network tonight at 6:30.

Damn, I missed it. Are they replaying it tonight?

hockeylover
06-18-2007, 09:28 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/feature/?fid=11083&hubname=

Bob MacKenzie's Top 60
1. Kane
2. vanRiemsdyk
3. Turris
4. Alzner
5. Cherepanov
6. Voracek
7. Gagner
8. Espo
9. Sutter
10. Ellerby
11. McDonagh
12. Shattenkirk
13. Hickey
14. Petrecki
15. Backlund
16. Hamill
17. Perron
18. Gillies
19. Couture
20. MacLean
21. Eller
22. Sweatt
23. MacMillan
24. Pacioretty
25. Mayorov
26. Cross
27. Blum
28. B. Smith
29. Moller
30. Aliu
31. Repik
32. Plante
33. Nash
34. Cole
35. Legein
36. Cohen
37. Tyrell
38. ****i
39. Hoeffel
40. O'Brien
41. J Smith
42. Bashkirov
43. Sexsmith
44. Cann
45. Ross
46. White
47. Marshall
48. Ruth
49. Spaling
50. Andersson
51. Hjalmarsson
52. Korostin
53. Goncharov
54. Brennan
55. Veilleux
56. Katic
57. Machacek
58. Malone
59. Galiardi
60. Hansen

HM: Dadonov, Fortier, Hellgren, Killorn, Owuya, Reul, Sacchetti, Subban

*In my rankings, I only ranked skaters.

hockeylover
06-18-2007, 09:33 PM
Damn, I missed it. Are they replaying it tonight?

It was really a look into the St Louis Blues' draft meetings. They will have specials all week on the NHL network. I'm checking my guide and it says "NHL Pre-draft Special" at 12:30 tonight but I'm not sure if it's the SAME one (about St Louis) or if they'll do it from a different team's perspective.

eason97
06-18-2007, 11:09 PM
Pretty good article by Bob McKenzie.

TSN's Top 60 NHL Draft Prospects

Who is No. 1?

The consensus choice is that diminutive London Knight forward Pat Kane is the best prospect available and if Chicago doesn't take him with the first pick, it will be a surprise. But Burnaby Jr. A star Kyle Turris has fair support as the best potential NHLer, although there are some who think he's not a top five pick, which is not the case at all for Kane. USA Under-18 power forward James van Riemsdyk is solidly entrenched as the No. 2 prospect and doesn't get much consideration as the best player available, but neither does he slide lower than two on most lists, three at the worst among scouts we interviewed. This trio, for the most part, is considered a cut above the rest of the draft field.

What to do with the Russians?

Alexei Cherepanov is a scoring machine who lit up the World Juniors and Russian Superleague, but the absence of an NHL transfer agreement with the Russians has GMs and scouts nervous. Many teams just don't want the aggravation of dealing with the uncertainty and potential cost of getting Cherepanov out of Europe in a timely fashion. As good a prospect as he is, he's not so good that there aren't attractive options closer to home. That said, each time he's not chosen on Friday, the pressure will increase on teams to roll the dice. At some point, he does become a lot more attractive than the next best North American. That's why many NHL GMs are praying that one of the top-picking teams will bite early and take the pressure off them.

The lack of a Russia-NHL agreement won't just impact on Cherepanov. Maxim Mayorov is a solid first round prospect who would be virtually guaranteed a top 20 selection if an agreement were in place. Without one? He could slide to the second round. The bottom line: the absence of an agreement will have a severe impact on the number of Russians taken and how high they go. But then, that's the idea as far as the Russian Ice Hockey Federation is concerned.

What's the story on Angelo Esposito?

Touted a year ago as the can't-miss No. 1 prospect, the Quebec Rempart centre has been given the Phil Kessel treatment and then some. Kessel, of course, was touted to be No. 1 a full year ahead of the 2006 draft, but went No. 5 overall to Boston. It seems as though some teams are coming back around on Esposito, realizing there's probably been some piling on in terms of criticism. He is still a consensus top 10 pick and there's a chance that could happen, but there's also a chance he could slide out. His will be one of the fascinating stories chronicled on Draft Day.

Which country will fare best in the first round?

It is going to be a strong draft for Americans. If, for example, Kane and van Riemsdyk go first and second, that would be the first time Americans went 1-2. And there are more, many more American prospects. There is a plethora of U.S. defencemen who could go in the first round, most prominent among them Ryan McDonagh, Kevin Shattenkirk, Nick Petrecki, Jonathan Blum, Tommy Cross, Ian Cole and Colby Cohen. Some will challenge for top 10 status.

Canada will be well represented, as usual. Let's call it a strong North American year. Even stronger if you consider the number of Europeans - including Jakub Voracek, Oscar Moller, Michael Repik and Ruslan Bashkirov - who are playing for teams in the Canadian Hockey League. If there are more than three or four Euro-born, completely Euro-trained first-rounders (Cherepanov, Mayorov, Mikael Backlund and Lars Eller), it will be a surprise.

So let's call it a great year for the Danes. Eller, who plays in the Swedish League for Frolunda, is a proud Dane who will certainly become the highest drafted player from his country. A Great Dane, to be sure.

Where are the goalies?

Good question. Probably in the second round. That isn't to say a team, especially one with multiple picks, might not take the goalie they want in the first round, but it's widely considered a sub-par year for 'tenders.

Jeremy Smith is the consensus No. 1, but individual teams have many different preferences, from Smith to Trevor Cann to Tyson Sexsmith to Antoine Lafleur to Linden Rowat to Bradley Eidsness to Europeans such as Joel Gistedt and Mark Owuya.

If more than one goalie goes in the first round, it will be a surprise and if it's none, don't be shocked. That is highly unusual, especially in recent times when goalies have routinely gone in the top 10 or even the top five.

Who are the wild cards?

Too numerous to mention in a draft that there is such a divergence of opinion, but here are some names to keep an eye on:

- Angelo Esposito, for all the reasons listed above.

- Akim Aliu, the bad boy of the draft who is on his third CHL team and seems to have trouble follow him around. But he is a first round talent and now that he's with the respected London Knights' organization, he might become a more attractive commodity.

- Luca ****i, a highly skilled Swiss forward who is known for playing the game his way, as opposed to the way his coaches want it played. In terms of flat out speed, skill and pizzazz, ****i has it all.

When it's all said and done, the 2007 draft is going to be an intriguing one to re-visit four or five years down the road to see if it's as weak a class as the scouts maintain. In the meantime, though, there are many intriguing prospects with interesting stories. So without further ado, here is the TSN Top 60, with 10 Honorable Mentions, for the 2007 NHL Entry Draft.

These are "consensus" rankings determined by interviewing more than a dozen NHL scouts. Over the years, it has been a very good barometer for determining which players will be selected in the first round.

But this year, 2007, could present some challenges to the system that it has never encountered.

In the more than 20 years I have been doing rankings of this nature, there has NEVER been a year like this, where players ranked as low as 50 by some teams are getting serious first round consideration from others. It is a draft of highly interchangeable parts; personal preferences and organizational needs will come into play more than ever this year.

There has never been such a wide divergence of opinion on the prospects, even within the top 10, so whatever this draft may lack in marquee value will be more than offset by the intrigue of unpredictability.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/news_story/?ID=211198&hubname=







If Aliu is still on board with our second round pick, the Leafs should really take a good look at this kid. Top 15 talent material.

ForeverTML
06-19-2007, 10:11 AM
This is how I see everything going down on friday:

1. Chicago - Need defensive help but will go with Kane
2. Philadelphia - Need help with offense so Turris
3. Phoenix - Might trade down to pick Keaton Ellerby - Doan's relative
4. Los Angeles - Offense - Voracek
5. Washington - vanRemsdyk
6. Edmonton - Need defensive help so Alzner
7. Columbus - Cherepanov
8. Boston - Might trade up to pick Gagner
9. St. Louis - Need offensive help so Esposito
10. Florida - Backlund
11. Carolina - Hamill
12. Montreal - Eller (Maybe Mark Streit knows him?)


13. Toronto - So we are left with the likes of: Logan Couture, Maxim Mayorov, Brett MacLean, David Perron, Nick Petricki, Brandon Sutter, Colton Gillies -

Not too shabby. Now if one of the top 12 picks a goalie, then everything goes awry. Since this years goalies arent too high up there, Im guessing teams will lay off of them a bit in the first round.

Now dont get all crazy on me, its just my prediction. I could be 100% wrong on this one. :smile(21):

TimHorton
06-19-2007, 11:36 AM
Surely if we don't trade up to get Espo we should trade up and get Cherapanov. Who cares how much the Russians want, that's one place TML has loads of resources. PAY PAY PAY.

Habsy
06-19-2007, 11:37 AM
Petricki is going to be a very good NHL defenseman IMO.

Habsy
06-19-2007, 11:39 AM
Surely if we don't trade up to get Espo we should trade up and get Cherapanov. Who cares how much the Russians want, that's one place TML has loads of resources. PAY PAY PAY.

I don't quite understand what you are getting at. If you manage to trade up, and Cherepanov is available, you take him before Espo. The kid is lightning fast and can dangle at top speed. His shot is incredible too. A lot of Russians have come along since Bure, Cherepanov beat his rookie record in Russia, Ovechkin didn't. While Ovechkin is a better all-around player, Cherepanov is a pure sniper, like Kovalchuk.

TimHorton
06-19-2007, 11:40 AM
what I'm getting at is my fellow Leaf fans have been very reluctant to trade up for Espo. So what I was saying is fine, if you don't wanna move up for him, how about we move up for the best pure talent in the draft.

Habsy
06-19-2007, 11:41 AM
Ah, Gotcha!

CTheBigPicture
06-19-2007, 01:53 PM
Backlund

from NHL Central Scouting: A smart center with excellent speed. Has soft hands and high-end passing ability. Sees the ice well and has good hockey sense. Has a strong shot and a nose for the net. Did not play a lot this season due to injury. Helped lead Team Sweden to a bronze medal at the 2007 Under-18 World Championships after defeating Canada 8-3. Was the leading goal scorer (7) at the Under-18 World Championships. Was named Most Valuable Player of the 2006 Mac's Midget Tournament.

From ISS: Backlund was expected to come flying out of the gates looking to improve on his fine rookie season. However, he struggled early in the season, wasn't producing offensively and then suffered a knee injury. He has good hands. Handles the puck well at top speed. Forechecks hard. Ultimately, we feel it will be tough for a team to overlook a player with the offensive potential that he brings to the table.

CTheBigPicture
06-19-2007, 01:54 PM
From NHL Central Scouting: A hard working skilled forward. Is very smart defensively and forces the play with his tenacious fore-checking. His quick stick and quick hands often catch defenders by surprise. Is heads up with the puck and makes impressive passes through traffic. Needs to improve the effectiveness of his body checking. Plays with a lot of energy, but his skating sometimes diminishes at the end of a shift. Led all QMJHL rookies in goal scoring (39), plus/minus (+37) and was second in points (83) during the 2006-07 regular season.

From ISS: One of the biggest surprises in the Quebec league this year had to be the play of Lewiston RW David Perron. Went through last year's NHL draft without being selected, which is not likely to happen again. Perron loves to dangle and is arguably one of the most skilled players available in the 2007 NHL draft. Will cheat on the offensive side of the puck and come back late into D zone, but certainly has offensive skills required to play at the next level.

Preston_Mizzi
06-19-2007, 02:02 PM
What were Backlund's stats over the years? I don't want him to be like Steen... all potential, but can/will never put up big numbers in any league and will never improve...

hockeylover
06-19-2007, 05:21 PM
Backlund is my number 1 choice though I think he'll go before we get to him. After that I'd take Eller, Couture, or Hamill.

2006-2007 Vasteras (SWE-2) 41 GP 20 G 26 A 46 PTS

ForeverTML
06-19-2007, 05:46 PM
There's a great article on Backlund on nhl.com, you should check this out:

http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app/?service=page&page=NewsPage&articleid=318469

soco22
06-19-2007, 05:59 PM
What were Backlund's stats over the years? I don't want him to be like Steen... all potential, but can/will never put up big numbers in any league and will never improve...

Are you kidding me?

He's been in the league for two years, and you already are saying this about Steen? I guess if you fall off or don't improve in your second year in a lesser role, then you are garbage....

BS.

soco22
06-19-2007, 06:02 PM
I don't quite understand what you are getting at. If you manage to trade up, and Cherepanov is available, you take him before Espo. The kid is lightning fast and can dangle at top speed. His shot is incredible too. A lot of Russians have come along since Bure, Cherepanov beat his rookie record in Russia, Ovechkin didn't. While Ovechkin is a better all-around player, Cherepanov is a pure sniper, like Kovalchuk.

Liked watching the kid during the world juniors. Not completely sold on him...as what happens if he doesn't score in a game? Apparently, he is useless in all other facets of the game (says Bobby Mac's scout friends).

Artnes
06-19-2007, 07:02 PM
Are you kidding me?

He's been in the league for two years, and you already are saying this about Steen? I guess if you fall off or don't improve in your second year in a lesser role, then you are garbage....

BS.

This is the most common trait amongst alot of the Leafs fans, if you don't produce within the first 2 years of coming into the leauge, espicially if you have high expectations, you should be shipped out.

hockeylover
06-19-2007, 07:28 PM
Taken from: Alzner could be first defenceman taken on TSN

He said Los Angeles, Edmonton (No. 6), St. Louis (No. 9), Columbus (No. 7) and Toronto (No. 13) have spent the most time interviewing him, but he expects teams will call in him for another last-minute going-over before Friday.

Very weird. Why would Toronto spend the most time talking to Alzner? He'll be gone very early.

LeafGm
06-19-2007, 07:47 PM
Noticed this interesting article about Akim Aliu (http://www.torontosun.com/Sports/Hockey/2007/06/19/4272266-sun.html) in today's Toronto Sun. Sounds like a pretty interesting prospect to me.

hockeylover
06-19-2007, 08:24 PM
TSN's MOCK DRAFT

1. Chicago - Kyle Turris

Doug MacLean Says:
This was a tough decision, but Turris is too good to pass up for the Blackhawks. He's got a good frame, good speed, and everything else you want. This guy is a Kariya/Yzerman/Sakic type with tremendous upside.

2. Philadelphia - Patrick Kane

Pierre McGuire Says:
He's going to fit in nicely with the Flyers' group of young forwards, including Jeff Carter, Mike Richards and Claude Giroux. Kane is ready to make the jump from junior to the NHL right away, and that will help the Flyers when they go free agent shopping. The future is extremely bright.

3. Phoenix - James vanRiemsdyk

Darren Dreger Says:
The Coyotes need everything, including scoring and size. Van Riemsdyk provides both. He might be a late bloomer, but Phoenix is not going anywhere in a hurry. They can wait for him to develop.

4. Los Angeles - Alexei Cherepanov
5. Washington - Sam Gagner
6. Edmonton - Jakub Voracek
7. Columbus - Karl Alzner
8. Boston - Keaton Ellerby
9. St Louis - Brandon Sutter
10. Florida - Logan Couture
11. Carolina - Ryan McDonagh
12. Montreal - Angelo Esposito
13. Toronto - Mikael Backlund

Dreger Says:
The Leafs will show interest in moving up, but don't have a lot to offer in a trade. The Toronto scouts may want Kevin Shattenkirk, but I think GM John Ferguson Jr. is going to play the veto card and add depth up front with Backlund. He's a bit of a gamble because of a bad knee, but he's got moxie.

14. Colorado - Kevin Shattenkirk
15. Edmonton - Lars Eller
16. Anaheim - Thomas Hickey
17. NY Rangers - Colton Gillies

McGuire Says:
We go to the heartland of Canada to take a power forward who can skate - Colton Gillies of the Saskatoon Blades.

MacLean Adds: He'll battle Blair Betts for a spot on the third line!

18. Calgary - Oscar Moller
19. Minnesota - Bill Sweatt
20. Pittsburgh - Brett MacLean
21. Phoenix - Nick Petrecki
22. Montreal - Zach Hamill
23. Nashville - David Perron
24. St Louis - Jon Blum
25. Vancouver - Maxim Mayorov
26. St Louis - Logan MacMillan
27. Detroit - Tommy Cross
28. Washington - Max Pacioretty
29. Ottawa - Brendan Smith
30. Edmonton - Alex Plante

ForeverTML
06-19-2007, 08:46 PM
Nice. I think there is going to be some crazy deals though considering there are so many teams with multiple picks.

It would suck if Espo would have come so close and the Habs to snatch him up. Its the Brian Little situation all over again.

Backlund would be sweet considering Sundin could help him out along with him being with the likes of Strahlman, Steen, Dahlberg etc. Im hoping he drops to us though.

Not too sure about Hamill dropping to #22 but hey anything could happen. I mean Brady Quinn (NFL) dropped like crazy.

ForeverTML
06-19-2007, 09:19 PM
Just looking at the TSN mock draft of 2006 and noticed that they got 3 of the top 30 right.

The so called experts make their calls based on speculation and stats. Dont even get me started on the ESPN and USAtoday mock drafts. They had us taking a freakin D man (Ty Wishart because we werent "deep enough" in or defenseman talent pool. We all know thats not true.

IMO this draft is going to be very surprising to a lot of people. We're going to hear names going high up that we havent even heard of before.

soco22
06-19-2007, 10:42 PM
Very weird. Why would Toronto spend the most time talking to Alzner? He'll be gone very early.

I've said it multiple times. I could see Edmonton or Columbus moving their picks, which would make sense, as we could be taking this kid at either of those picks.

hockeylover
06-19-2007, 10:48 PM
I guess I'm just kind of surprised that we would move up because we were targetting Alzner, and not for a forward like Voracek or Gagner. But who knows, we could've had long interviews with those two players as well, and we just haven't heard about it.

soco22
06-19-2007, 10:51 PM
Maybe we can't move up high enough to get those guys....who knows. Or maybe the Leafs think he is going to fall to #13.

Fitzgerald#11
06-20-2007, 02:30 PM
mock from ESPN

13. Toronto Maple Leafs
Mikael Backlund, C, Vasteras, Sweden
The Maple Leafs have had significant success with Swedes in the past (Borje Salming, Mats Sundin, Alexander Steen, Staffan Kronwall) and they may dip back into that pool for Backlund. He has been hampered by knee injuries, which affected his past couple of seasons, but the latest Central Scouting Bureau rankings have him as the second-best European prospect after Cherepanov. He could turn out to be a better pro than Cherepanov because of his complete game and passion for the sport. He isn't the sexiest choice available, but the Leafs would be wise to add him to their club.
• HT: 6-0; WT: 194; Shot: Left; Born: 3/17/1989 (Vasteras, Sweden); Final ranking: 2.

hockeylover
06-20-2007, 02:38 PM
Bench press(performed 12-13 150-lb reps)
Mike Hoeffel,Vitali Karamnov,Mark Katic,Brett Maclean,Mark Owuya,Ben Ryan, Nico Sacchetti, Yannick Weber

Body fat %
Lowest : Spencer Machacek, Brandon Sutter (7.2%)
Highest: Radim Ostricl (15%) , Jakub Voracek (14%)

Hand-Eye co-ordination
Harri Ilvonen (25.6)
David Perron (28.6)
Lars Eller (29)
Ben Ryan (29.1)
Linden Rowatt(29.4)
Jakub Voracek (29.5)
Drayson Bowman (29.6)

Push-ups champion
Simon Hjalmarsson,Nicola Riopel, Nicklas Torp

Upper & Lower body development
Extensive: Denis Ruel
Above-Average: Tommy Cross Nick Palmieri Nicholas Petrecki Nico Sacchetti David Stich Brandon Sutter Zach Torquato

Vertical Jump
Maxim Gratchev , Mark Owuya , Yannick Weber

Medical issues:
T.J Brennan Asthma
Eric Doyle Previous dislocated hip
Lars Eller Left shoulder injury-will resolve
Taylor Ellington 2 concussions in 2005
Angelo Esposito 2 concussions in 2006
Mitch Fadden back injury
Olivier Fortier heart murmur
Sam Gagner right shoulder injury- will resolve
T.J. Galiardi Recovering from left shoulder injury
Mike Hoeffel Recent left knee-ACL repair
Sergei Korostin Recent abdominal surgery
Nicklas Lucenius heart murmur
Drew Mackenzie Right ear hearing loss
Dale Mitchell limited fitness test - mononeucleosis
James O'Brien Recent left shoulder surgery
David Perron right shoulder injury
Alex Plante heart murmur
Paul Postma popping in left hip Diagnosis
Ted Ruth minor right shoulder injury
Nico Sacchetti heart murmur
Tyson Sexsmith current bad flu and gastro illness
Kevin Shattenkirk heart murmur
David Stich recent knee repair
Bill Sweatt severed tendons-right forearm
Patrick White mid-back vertebral compressions

hockeylover
06-20-2007, 03:15 PM
Mock Draft Results for the Leafs...

TSN: Backlund
Sportsnet: Pacioretty
FoxSports: Hamill
ESPN: Backlund
SI.com: Petrecki
RedLineReport: Couture
The Fourth Period: Ellerby

Artnes
06-20-2007, 04:18 PM
Would anyone be opposed to trading our pick for a bonafide # 1(Vokoun,Toskala/Nabokov..etc)? With some salary obviously going the other way.

Fitzgerald#11
06-20-2007, 04:27 PM
from ESPN

Five best value picks (active players)
• Nicklas Lidstrom, D, Detroit, 1989 (53rd overall): In 1989, teams still were wary about European players. In that regard, Detroit's management was on the cutting edge. Then-Wings director of scouting Neil Smith and European bird dog Christer Rockstrom deserve the credit for this pick. Lidstrom, who just won his fifth Norris Trophy, will be a first-ballot Hall of Famer.


• Henrik Zetterberg, F, Detroit, 1999 (210th overall): Because he wasn't selected for Sweden's national teams in his underage years, many scouts never saw him. Wings assistant GM Jim Nill and European scouting director Hakan Andersson get full marks for this choice. The offensively gifted Zetterberg is among the best two-way players in the game.


• Pavel Datsyuk, C, Detroit, 1998 (171st overall): Are you sensing a trend? Like Zetterberg, Datsyuk wasn't chosen for his country's national underage teams. Again, Nill and Andersson were willing to take a chance on this hidden gem. Datsyuk stands among the most dangerous offensive weapons in the game.


• Tomas Kaberle, D, Toronto, 1996 (204th overall): Who says 13 is an unlucky number? The Leafs landed the silky-smooth defender with the 13th of their 14 picks in the 1996 draft. If that draft were held today, he'd be a top-five pick. The Leafs focused on his play during his underage years, rather than his draft year, when making the pick.


• Dominik Hasek, G, Chicago, 1983, (199th overall): The NHL world was a lot different in 1983. At that time, Eastern Europeans had to defect to come to skate in North America. The Blackhawks took a late flier on Hasek, who wouldn't arrive until 1990. In 1992, Chicago traded him to Buffalo and the rest, as they say, is history.

Preston_Mizzi
06-20-2007, 10:59 PM
Are you kidding me?

He's been in the league for two years, and you already are saying this about Steen? I guess if you fall off or don't improve in your second year in a lesser role, then you are garbage....

BS.

Steen has never dominated or put up top numbers in any league he's played in. He is, and will always be an average player.

soco22
06-20-2007, 11:20 PM
That would be back tracking...

I quoted


I don't want him to be like Steen... all potential, but can/will never put up big numbers in any league and will never improve...

There is a difference between 'all potential' and 'no potential' to start. And whatever, if you think he has always been average, can't really agrue with an opinion of a player.

Preston_Mizzi
06-20-2007, 11:24 PM
Steen has looked like he can be a great player for years now. He has skill, he has smarts, he's a good skater, etc...But once again, he has had similar stats year after year going back to his SEL years.. The guy just won't take the next step. If this Backlund guy is the same, then I don't want him. I'd prefer a boom or bust guy.

TimHorton
06-21-2007, 11:08 AM
I gotta agree. Backlund looks like the proto-typical 2nd or 3rd liner. We got loads of those guys (and young ones). We need someone who has the potential to light it up.

hockeylover
06-21-2007, 12:37 PM
Apparently the Leafs have shown a lot of interest in Lars Eller (one of my favourites):

Lars Eller

Position: Center
Shoots: Left
Date of Birth: May 8, 1989
Height: 6’-0”
Weight: 198 LBS
06-07 League: Sweden Jr.
06-07 Team: Frolunda Jr.
Stats: 39 GP 18 G 37 A 55 PTS

Strengths: A good skater, Lars possesses that extra gear that is needed to be a goal scorer in the NHL Has a good shot selection and can score many different ways. Very quick, accurate wrist shot. Protects the puck well and is surprisingly strong. Plays an offensive game but can and will play both ways when needed. Rises up when put under pressure. Lars is not afraid to drive to the net or play in traffic areas. Plays the body whenever he can. Great attitude and work ethic. Has nice playmaking ability to compliment his finishing skills.

Weakness: Not a lot of weakness in this player, if any. He could use more strength and maybe work on his foot speed, but like I said he is a very complete prospect without glaring holes.

NHL Potential: First line scoring winger.

Boom or Bust Potential: Low risk, will develop into one of the best players to come out of this draft.

Extra Note: I like Lars a lot and think he could slip into the top 10 this June, one of the best Danish prospects in many years.

TimHorton
06-21-2007, 12:47 PM
If we stay at 13 Eller is a nice pic because he does have the big potential. I'd much prefer him to Backlund at that spot.

LeafGm
06-21-2007, 06:21 PM
Eller definitely sounds like an interesting prospect. I'd definitely prefer to see the Leafs draft a forward who's got some speed, goal-scoring ability and isn't afraid of traffic, and from that description, Eller seems to fit the bill.

hockeylover
06-21-2007, 06:25 PM
Eller definitely sounds like an interesting prospect. I'd definitely prefer to see the Leafs draft a forward who's got some speed, goal-scoring ability and isn't afraid of traffic, and from that description, Eller seems to fit the bill.

Everytime I've heard someone FROM the Leafs talk about the kind of player they might be targetting they emphasize that they want him to have Size, Speed, AND Skill. Eller does fit that.

MyNameIsJonas
06-21-2007, 06:59 PM
i also like Lars Eller

Montana
06-21-2007, 07:47 PM
I hope all GM's are as dumb as Doug Maclean........he just said on TSN, he thinks Cheraponov (spl?) could fall to 12 or 13th........

Fella, can dream can't he?

ForeverTML
06-21-2007, 08:39 PM
Not sure if this has been posted before but here's another interesting prospect that might go higher than he is ranked by the scouts:

Stefan Legein

Central Scouting Report: A skilled forward with a good work ethic… is a two-way player with a high energy style… has excellent speed and is a feisty forechecker… takes the body well and is not afraid to be hit… has an accurate shot… plays the role of agitator which increases his number of penalties…needs to improve the strength of his shot.

Hockey Profile: Was one of 40 draft-eligible prospects selected to participate in the 2007 CHL Top Prospects Game… named to the OHL Eastern Conference All-Star Team in 2007 - he won the fastest skater competition with a lap time of 14.109 seconds and tallied three points (2-1-3) in the game… was 11th among all OHL players with 43 goals (43-32-75) in 64 games in 2006-07.

Personal Profile: Nickname is Lege… says that Greg Gilbert (played 15 seasons in the NHL and coached the Mississauga Ice Dogs from 2003-06) "has taught me how to be a pro on and off the ice" and has had the most influence on his career… patterns his game after Darcy Tucker of the Maple Leafs because "he's a pest who can score"… admires his parents for their support and willingness to do things for their family… playing "sewer
ball" and taking a shower are part of his pre-game rituals… most memorable hockey game: his first OHL game with Mississauga in 2004… most memorable hockey game watched: Canada's seventh round shootout victory win over Team USA in the 2007 World Junior Championships semi-final game… if he could have dinner with any three people he would invite: Wayne Gretzky, Lance Armstrong and Houdini… favorites include: Jeremy Roenick (NHL player), "backhand toe drag, low glove" (shootout move), NHL 2007 (video game), Tim McGraw (country singer), Brad Pitt (actor), Rachel McAdams (actress), You Me and Dupree (movie) and Entourage (TV show).

From NHL Central Scouting: A skilled forward with a good work ethic. Is a two-way player with a high energy style. Has excellent speed and is a feisty fore-checker. Takes the body well and is not afraid to be hit. Has an accurate shot. Plays the role of agitator which increases his number of penalties. Needs to improve the strength of his shot.

From ISS: Legein has been a pleasant surprise this year for his Ice Dogs team, having almost tripled his point totals from last year at this point in the season. He isn't a purely high-skilled player, but plays a feisty hightempo in your face style of game. Legein took advantage of his last-minute addition to the roster for the CHL Top Prospects Game, showing his great work ethic and gritty style of play. His lack of size, strength and pure offensive skill has raised some questions as to how well his style of game will translate at the next level.

Sounds interesting. Im hoping though he proves the scouts RIGHT and falls to 44th overall. :smile(21):

hockeylover
06-21-2007, 08:50 PM
Heads up for anyone who has LeafsTV. The 2006 Behind the Draft special will air at 9:00 pm tonight. Good insight into what these guys were thinking when they made their selections and how they prepared for the draft.

ForeverTML
06-22-2007, 12:59 PM
Hey guys how long does it take for the draft to finish tonight? An hour tops?

IceStick77
06-22-2007, 02:36 PM
This may be a dumb question but is the draft on TV?

Habsy
06-22-2007, 02:38 PM
yes, tsn, nhlnetwork, rds and versus

IceStick77
06-22-2007, 03:24 PM
yes, tsn, nhlnetwork, rds and versus

Sweet!

LeafGm
06-22-2007, 04:46 PM
So, how pissed is hockeylover that the Leafs currently won't be going up to the podium until around 70-90 other names have been called first?

Preston_Mizzi
06-22-2007, 04:55 PM
I'm almost happy we don't have to pick 13th. This is a brutal draft... one of the worst ever.

Then again, it wouldn't surprise me to see San Jose waiting till next year.

hockeylover
06-22-2007, 05:02 PM
So, how pissed is hockeylover that the Leafs currently won't be going up to the podium until around 70-90 other names have been called first?

It takes the wind out of my sails a bit but I think Junior might have another small deal to get a late first or second to replace one of them up his sleeve. We still have what, 20 defensemen under contract? :D

Plus, this draft being so middle heavy, I find I'm more familiar with guys who could be going in the 3rd and 4th rounds than any other draft, so there's still some interest there.

LeafGm
06-22-2007, 05:10 PM
It takes the wind out of my sails a bit but I think Junior might have another small deal to get a late first or second to replace one of them up his sleeve. We still have what, 20 defensemen under contract? :D

Plus, this draft being so middle heavy, I find I'm more familiar with guys who could be going in the 3rd and 4th rounds than any other draft, so there's still some interest there.
Haha, well, good to hear. Personally, I'm still debating whether or not I still want to go ahead with my plan to tape the draft (I'm working tonight) and watch it when I get home, or just go straight up to my computer and find out about all the results/trades right away.

Killer93
06-22-2007, 05:19 PM
Any radio coverage on the draft? FAn590? AM640?

PQ
06-22-2007, 05:34 PM
Now that the Leafs aren't picking till the 3rd round, may as well post off topic a bit.

I think Chicago is taking Cherepanov. They picked up Samsonov a week or so ago and today they get Zyuzin. Just a guess, but I think they could be trying to surround Cherepanov with some fellow Russians to help him adapt better.

soco22
06-22-2007, 06:56 PM
Or, they could be going with one of the three players that their GM said they were going to take yesterday night.

PQ
06-22-2007, 07:05 PM
It's all mind games.

da_next_kid
06-22-2007, 07:14 PM
Windy city picks the kid from the London Knights.

drewser
06-22-2007, 08:07 PM
Dreger said we had discussions with Philly for the 2nd overall pick and the Flyers wanted Steen, assuming more most have been involved...Fergie turned them down

Artnes
06-22-2007, 08:40 PM
Thomas Hickey 4th overall? WTF is that all about?

PQ
06-22-2007, 09:15 PM
Dreger said we had discussions with Philly for the 2nd overall pick and the Flyers wanted Steen, assuming more most have been involved...Fergie turned them down

It's good that JFJ values Steen.. just wish Maurice would do the same

Artnes
06-22-2007, 09:32 PM
WOW, the Habs pass over Esposito? I'm shocked

CTheBigPicture
06-22-2007, 09:56 PM
don't understand why Espo is falling like this. I am sure GM's are afraid to pick him cause they think other GM's may know something they don't.

CTheBigPicture
06-22-2007, 09:58 PM
and Backlund is still out there.. This is a strange draft.

CTheBigPicture
06-22-2007, 09:59 PM
an absolute Steal by the Rangers. Life sucks.

The Shrike
06-22-2007, 10:12 PM
Does Esposito have smallpox or something.

PQ
06-22-2007, 10:29 PM
so if not for today's trade, we could've had Cherepanov or Esposito..

either one would've made our prospect depth that much greater..

drewser
06-22-2007, 10:34 PM
Cherepanov would have instantly become our #1 prospect... Fergie should have worked it in that HE held the right to determine if they got it this year or next year, even if it meant tossing them something else. Sather clearly knew there was a chance Cherepanov could slip to them at #17, so why wouldn't Fergie have looked a little ahead? Clearly the guy is only worried about the immediate future, and even though I'm happy with Bell and Toskala, **** FERGUSON!

soco22
06-22-2007, 10:37 PM
Moreover, why not wait until the draft to pull of the deal? Then JFJ could see at pick #13 what exactly he is giving up. He probably didn't even think that Cherepanov would be available at that time in the draft.

hotshot2003
06-22-2007, 10:38 PM
so if not for today's trade, we could've had Cherepanov or Esposito..

either one would've made our prospect depth that much greater..

Draft Shmaft!!!

http://sportsmed.starwave.com/media/nhl/2001/0227/photo/a_fletcher_i.jpg

drewser
06-22-2007, 10:40 PM
Moreover, why not wait until the draft to pull of the deal? Then JFJ could see at pick #13 what exactly he is giving up. He probably didn't even think that Cherepanov would be available at that time in the draft.

To his defence there, there were a half dozen teams in the Toskala hunt so it seems as though it HAD to be done ASAP...Trading out 1st in 08 + White and/or Stajan definitly should have been able to nab us the 15th or 16th picks... just disgusting!

soco22
06-22-2007, 10:43 PM
I wouldn't trade our pick in 08 for this. But we definietly could have put a package together to get this kid. If there was a package available to get the #2 pick in the draft, it could have been done.

drewser
06-22-2007, 10:46 PM
For where we'll be picking next year, likely in the 18-22 range, there is NO way a guy with Cherepanov's potential is available...

soco22
06-22-2007, 11:00 PM
Assuming it's a 18-22 range pick.

The Shrike
06-22-2007, 11:01 PM
....Clearly the guy is only worried about the immediate future....It will work too, the Leafs will make the playoffs, the fans will be satiated, and he will keep his job.

soco22
06-22-2007, 11:01 PM
That's the scary part. Him keeping his job.

Am I the only one to see something wrong with this?

We currently have or had:
Raycroft, Toskala, Perreault

We could have
Rask, Cherepanov, 2nd in 07, 2nd in 08, 4th in 09

Surprised I'm the only one that is outraged with JFJ. And this is all in basically just one year of service to us.

BeLeafer
06-22-2007, 11:09 PM
Surprised I'm the only one that is outraged with JFJ.
You are not alone.

ForeverTML
06-22-2007, 11:12 PM
We could have
Rask, Cherepanov, 2nd in 07, 2nd in 08, 4th in 09

Well technically, it was:
Esposito, Cherepanov or Couture (which San Jose traded up to get).

And no you're not the only one.

PQ
06-22-2007, 11:20 PM
So as it stands, we are not picking till the 3rd round.. I'm quietly hoping we get Mayorov, but that's probably a longshot

drewser
06-22-2007, 11:29 PM
That's the scary part. Him keeping his job.

Am I the only one to see something wrong with this?

We currently have or had:
Raycroft, Toskala, Perreault

We could have
Rask, Cherepanov, 2nd in 07, 2nd in 08, 4th in 09

Surprised I'm the only one that is outraged with JFJ. And this is all in basically just one year of service to us.

I don't think there is any reason to be angry about today's deal... had that blunder at last year's draft not occured, we'd probably been able to keep our 1st this year and use either Rask or Pogge +___ to get us the Bell/Toskala package and been able to select Cherepanov...the main issue is last year's **** up.

Rask or Pogge, Cherepanov, Bell, Toskala vs Raycroft, Toskala, Bell, Pogge... :annoyed:

Alfamale
06-23-2007, 12:37 AM
Surprised I'm the only one that is outraged with JFJ.now that i've had time to digest this trade, i think it's going to make me throw up.

this team is hopeless.

drewser
06-23-2007, 12:45 AM
Has anyone seen this douche HeadlineSports has on for the draft discussion? Forget his name but he is a scout for teh Oshawa Generals....******* is wearing a stupid hat and holding an unlit cigar in his hand...who the hell does he think he is and why the hell did headlinesports allow this idiot on the air?

LeafBoy
06-23-2007, 01:08 AM
Has anyone seen this douche HeadlineSports has on for the draft discussion? Forget his name but he is a scout for teh Oshawa Generals....******* is wearing a stupid hat and holding an unlit cigar in his hand...who the hell does he think he is and why the hell did headlinesports allow this idiot on the air?

I liked it when he mentioned that Jason Spezza was still smiling even with the Sens down 2-0 to the Ducks in the Cup final. Other than that he was pretty bad...

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 01:10 AM
I know you guys are all in doom and gloom mode, but there are some VERY good players on the board still. Even if we have no picks before the third we should be able to get some good players.

Top Ranked North Americans Available
1. Tommy Cross
2. Stefan Legein
3. Brett MacLean
4. Dana Tyrell
5. Oscar Moller
6. Mike Hoeffel
7. Nick Spaling
8. Colby Cohen
9. Bill Sweatt
10. TJ Brennan
11. TJ Galiardi
12. Teddy Ruth
13. Keven Veilleux
14. Ruslan Bashkirov
15. Drayson Bowman
16. Ben Ryan
17. Taylor Ellington
18. David Skokan
19. Akim Aliu
20. Bryan Cameron
21. Olivier Fortier
22. Dale Mitchell
23. Maxim Gratchev
24. Kevin Marshall
25. Robert Bortuzzo
26. Matt Fillier
27. Mario Kempe
28. Mitch Fadden
29. Spencer Machacek
30. Yannick Weber

*Other notables: Michal Repik, Mark Katic, Brad Malone, Maxime Tanguay, Zach Torquato

Top Ranked Euro Prospects Left
1. Maxim Mayorov
2. Joakim Andersson
3. Simon Hjalmarsson
4. Nichlas Torp
5. Sergei Korostin
6. Maxim Goncharov
7. Evgeni Dadonov
8. Yakov Seleznov
9. Luca ****i
10. Niclas Lucenius
11. Lassi Kokkala
12. Vladimir Ruzicka
13. Denis Reul
14. Jens Hellgren
15. Radim Ostracil
16. Vitali Karamnov
17. Jan Piskacek
18. Harri Ilvonen
19. Milan Kytnar
20. Kristofer Berglund

And of course, all of the goalies are still on the board... Smith, Cann, Sexsmith, Phillips, Patterson, Owuya, Gistedt, etc.

LeafGm
06-23-2007, 01:39 AM
Okay, I just got home from work. What's going on? Did they only conduct the first round today? What happened with the rest of the draft?

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 01:41 AM
Okay, I just got home from work. What's going on? Did they only conduct the first round today? What happened with the rest of the draft?

Rounds 2-7 start tomorrow @ 10 am.

LeafGm
06-23-2007, 01:53 AM
Rounds 2-7 start tomorrow @ 10 am.
Weird. I guess maybe Bettman figured they'd get higher ratings by having the draft televised in prime time. Stupid idea, since if it was on in the States at all, I'm sure the ratings were abysmal anyways, and Canadian hockey fans will watch whether it's at prime time, or ten in the morning. So they might as well have had the whole thing all in one go tomorrow.

BeLeafer
06-23-2007, 01:55 AM
More ticket sales.

Montana
06-23-2007, 02:21 AM
I also think, the draft will get much better ratings than if it had been on saturday afternoon......

mikedumar
06-23-2007, 02:54 AM
ill be less hard on fergie if, he drafts repik in the third, which i think will turn out to be one of the steals of the draft @!

LeafOfFaith
06-23-2007, 04:52 AM
To his defence there, there were a half dozen teams in the Toskala hunt so it seems as though it HAD to be done ASAP...Trading out 1st in 08 + White and/or Stajan definitly should have been able to nab us the 15th or 16th picks... just disgusting!

And why should we assume that our 1st in 2008 won't net a better player than our 13th overall in 2007? And why give up a Stajan or White for the privilege of picking a year earlier, in a draft that is supposed to be weaker than next year's?

LeafOfFaith
06-23-2007, 04:55 AM
I really like the sound of MacLean. Couldn't we trade some spare parts like Harrison, Mitchell, Earl, etc., to get a 2nd rounder?

LeafOfFaith
06-23-2007, 04:56 AM
ill be less hard on fergie if, he drafts repik in the third, which i think will turn out to be one of the steals of the draft @!

I hope so, then. Just so you can rejoin the bandwagon, even if just momentarily.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:05 AM
I'm watching the live feed of the draft on NHL network so I'll give you any tidbits/rumours I hear...

Edmonton is apparently working on a trade and it is believed to involve a player.

TimHorton
06-23-2007, 11:08 AM
Yeah they didn't make clear if Edmonton was looking to add an NHL'er or trade one did they?

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:09 AM
Nope, they didn't.

Feyd
06-23-2007, 11:10 AM
The '08 draft is supposed to be MUCH deeper than this draft, so in that sense I'm glad SJ used the pick yesterday.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:12 AM
Buffalo selects TJ Brennan.
Phoenix selects Brett MacLean.
Vancouver selects Taylor Ellington.

LeafGm
06-23-2007, 11:14 AM
The NHL website still lists Toronto as having the 44th pick. Did they just forget to update that, or did Toronto have two second round draft picks?

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:16 AM
They must've forgotten to update it.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:18 AM
Washington picks Josh Godfrey. Wow, a lot off the board. Godfrey was ranked 141st by CSS.

TimHorton
06-23-2007, 11:21 AM
There are some pretty highly rated players still on the board. I might get excited about our third rounder at some point.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:22 AM
Great pick by Boston, Tommy Cross.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:22 AM
Wow, Phoenix selected Joel Gistedt. First goalie off the board.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:23 AM
Honestly, I wish Gary Green would just shut the **** up. We can't even hear the picks.

ForeverTML
06-23-2007, 11:28 AM
Legein, Sweatt, Repik - all gone.

Killer93
06-23-2007, 11:29 AM
Dam, Repik slipped to 40th and Florida grabbed him. I'm still awaiting the Leafs dealing away to get cap room.....:(

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:31 AM
Legein, Sweatt, Repik - all gone.

Did you honestly think they'd slip to the 3rd?

We're going to get a good player here, you just might not have heard of him.

ForeverTML
06-23-2007, 11:33 AM
Did you honestly think they'd slip to the 3rd?
I never said they would slip to the third.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 11:37 AM
Ok, I thought your post was out of surprise/disappointment but I guess it was just an update.

ForeverTML
06-23-2007, 12:04 PM
Ottawa just picked Ruslan Bashirkov.

So Im hoping we pick his twin brother Roman, just for fun. ;)

ForeverTML
06-23-2007, 12:16 PM
Leafs first pick:

DALE MITCHELL

TimHorton
06-23-2007, 12:17 PM
anyone got a report on Mitchell?

ForeverTML
06-23-2007, 12:20 PM
All I got was:

Dale Mitchell, Oshawa, OHL. 67GP-43G-37A-80P
A bit of a sleeper. The knock on this guy is that he’s only 5-9, yet still weighs 205 lbs. So apparently, he’s a little chunky. But he’s got a few years to grow a little taller and get to the gym a few extra times. With these numbers he’s worth a shot.

I think he's the 10th best rated OHL prospect as per hockeysfuture.

hockeylover
06-23-2007, 12:20 PM
90. Dale Mitchell

Position: Winger

Shoots: Right

Date of Birth: April 9, 1989

Height: 5’-8.75”

Weight: 207 LBS

06-07 League: OHL

06-07 Team: Oshawa

Quick Notes: Dale has a lot of speed and is a good skater. He has a great shot as his 43 goals can attest to. What is a real testament to his goal scoring prowess is that he scored those goals playing second line minutes all season and second PP time. He has conditioning issues but he is also naturally a bulky fellow. He is a fearless warrior who possesses great hands.

TimHorton
06-23-2007, 12:21 PM
a speedster is a good start. With a set of hands is a very good bonus.

LeafGm
06-23-2007, 12:21 PM
So we picked another smurf, eh?

TimHorton
06-23-2007, 12:22 PM
he's on the NHL network right now