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BeLeafer
05-15-2008, 02:46 AM
I'm not a huge movie watcher, as most of the stuff that comes out is pure trash, but I do like a good flick when I see one. I'm just interested in anything good or bad anyone has seen recently.

Lately, I've seen a goodie and a few bad ones.

Away From Her
One of the best movies I've seen in years. Absolutely brilliant and remarkable considering its Sarah Polley's first direction and script (both were surprisingly strong). The memory sequences in this film are spot on, imo. Very isolated and evocative images that I believe are pretty accurate to the way memory works. The narrative, while not linear, is brilliantly pieced together.

Atonement
Just an awful film from start to finish outside of some very good cinematography. It's nauseatingly post-modern with an almost non-sensical disjointed narrative, little character development and utterly nominalistic (the latter being something I detest in poststructuralism and all of its shallow reified pretense).

Michael Crayton
Okay if you're looking for some pablum, but boringly formulatic with the standard awful representation of professional women as evildoers.

Anyone else?

bayrider
05-15-2008, 03:09 AM
Geez, ever since I moved out to LA a couple years ago I think I've only gone to the movies 3-4 times.

The last movie I saw was on new year's day and it was the only one that wasn't sold out; The Great Debaters. Wasn't bad at all. Nothing earth shattering. It took you through some emotional highs and lows. The acting and plot were interesting. I'm surprised Oprah didn't pimp this movie. It sounds like something right up her alley.

LeafGm
05-15-2008, 03:39 AM
Geez, ever since I moved out to LA a couple years ago I think I've only gone to the movies 3-4 times.

The last movie I saw was on new year's day and it was the only one that wasn't sold out; The Great Debaters. Wasn't bad at all. Nothing earth shattering. It took you through some emotional highs and lows. The acting and plot were interesting. I'm surprised Oprah didn't pimp this movie. It sounds like something right up her alley.
Are you kidding? Oprah was the executive producer of that movie.

As for any good movies I've seen recently...I enjoyed "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly". It was a movie based on the experiences of a French editor after he suffered a stroke and lost all ability to move or communicate, except by blinking his left eye. Made me want to go out and pick up the book, but it seems to be next to impossible to find anything except the english translation, when I'd much rather read it in the original French.

JackBurton
05-15-2008, 05:08 AM
"Before The Devil Knows You're Dead". A great crime film with terrific performances by Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ethan Hawke, Marisa Tomei and Albert Finney. I wasn't too crazy about the last act, but it's one of the better films I saw made last year. Plus, Tomei gets naked a lot and she just gets better with age.

"There Will Be Blood" is worth seeing just for the fantastic, Oscar winning performance by Daniel-Day Lewis. His character, Daniel Plainview, can be so unlikeable and downright evil, it's at times tough to get swept into the various subplots he's involved in as you never really root for him. Still, it's a fine drama with an amazing score and cinematography, and worth checking out if you haven't seen it.

"Walk Hard:The Dewy Cox Story" I had heard good things about this comedy, that is a spoof on the various, cliche-ridden biopics we've seen in recent years like "Walk The Line", and "Ray". Alas, it didn't work for me. Even at around 90 minutes, I was rather bored. It does have a couple of jokes that work, but overall, most miss the mark. The "Spoof" genre to me, has run out of steam and just isn't working as well as it did in the 80's and 90's.

Studin
05-15-2008, 09:08 AM
I finally watched Superbad and 300 yesterday.
Also watched Harold and Kumar: Escape From Guantanamo Bay.
Not as good as the first one, but was alright.

Probably gonna watch Iron Man tonight or tommorrow.

voyager
05-15-2008, 09:51 AM
I really want to see the Diving Bell and the Butterfly, but haven't had the chance yet.

As for Atonement, I saw in a couple months ago. My girlfriend ever since she saw the previews back in October had been bugging me to take her to see it or rent it; she was thinking it was some sort of romantic movie ala the notebook, even though I told her it wasn't. We finally rented it back in early April and like always I was proved right.
The cinematography was probably the best part of the film, that and the score. The story it's self was interesting, but I felt it could have been done better.

I saw Harold and Kumar: Escape from Gitmo last week and it was enjoyable. Not a movie you really need to spend 12 bucks on to see in the theatre (I was was able to use my scene points). Although i'm sure it's one of those movies that is always funnier when you watch with other people.

Apart from that i haven't seen many other movies lately.
Unlike last summer there really aren't any movies that are coming out that I really want to see.

Factinista
05-15-2008, 09:57 AM
Harold and Kumar and Ironman. Some really funny parts in Harold and Kumar, and Ironman was pretty sweet.

corksens
05-15-2008, 10:12 AM
The Strangers is coming out May 30th, which looks like the first good horror film in a long time.

corksens
05-15-2008, 10:13 AM
Michael Crayton
Okay if you're looking for some pablum, but boringly formulatic with the standard awful representation of professional women as evildoers.
Fag.

Professional women are evil. Just like female police officers, they are stubborn, power tripping nut jobs, who go over and above to prove their "worth".

number17
05-15-2008, 10:17 AM
Iron man rocks, if you're into superhero movies.

Factinista
05-15-2008, 10:39 AM
The Strangers is coming out May 30th, which looks like the first good horror film in a long time.

I saw the preview for that at Harold and Kumar and nearly pooed myself. Horror movies don't really do anything for me anymore but this one seems really terrifying/disturbing for some reason.

And yeah not sure about women professionals but women cops are the absolute worst, bar none. I've never met a decent one. Talk about overcompensating.

voyager
05-15-2008, 10:42 AM
Yeah, i forgot about The Strangers. It looks good, but i'm worried that the preview may be a bit misleading.

There have been a few horror previews over the past few years that got me excited thinking that they'd actually be frightening. Unforutnately none really panned out.

Hopefully the Strangers will be good.

corksens
05-15-2008, 10:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCU0k_jbCUo

JackBurton
05-15-2008, 10:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCU0k_jbCUo

That really is one of the very best trailers i've ever seen. It'll probably do very well just from that.

Hoss
05-15-2008, 11:38 AM
Jessuuss EFFF... There is no way I watch that movie... I ain't no puss, but what the hell is the point of stressing yourself out for 2 hours, and then stress yourself out whenever you hear a bump in your house....

The simplelest masks are often the most effective, and that shit looks creepy as hell... no way. I felt the best horror flick in recent times was the ring but that scared you the good old fashion way, making you think your seeing gross things when really your not.

No way I watch that movie.. I'll see the trailer again but no way.

And about Atonement. I agree that the movie had it's interesting parts but really took being "english" to another level... most british films have this snootiness to them, and this one took it there... the only saving grace was the ending I thought and of course that 10-15 minute straight take on the beach... very children of men (another british movie)...they assume the viewer fills in too many gaps, instead of telling a solid story... I don't need my hand held but that was a bit much.

JackBurton
05-15-2008, 11:43 AM
I was merely "So-So on "Atonement" as well.

The problem I had was there was so little explanation and build-up of the love between Knightley and Mcavoy before the you-know-what hits the fan. I never felt I knew much about them, and therefore didn't feel much for what they went through in trying to be reuinted.

The casting was very good though. The young girl-young-woman-older woman all look exactly alike.

Artnes
05-15-2008, 11:57 AM
Goo Girls 10

It's Huge 8

Classics

Volcanologist
05-15-2008, 12:10 PM
"Before The Devil Knows You're Dead". A great crime film with terrific performances by Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ethan Hawke, Marisa Tomei and Albert Finney. I wasn't too crazy about the last act, but it's one of the better films I saw made last year. Plus, Tomei gets naked a lot and she just gets better with age.


Heard good things about this movie, and also Marisa's boobies.

Artnes
05-15-2008, 12:15 PM
I wanna see The Happening

I wasn't a big fan of Lady In The Water, but I think he'll come back with one this time that will really **** with your head

corksens
05-15-2008, 12:21 PM
Heard good things about this movie, and also Marisa's boobies.Just watched it last week.

7/10 for the movie, 10/10 for the tat shots.

Unfortunately, right as it gets too long it gets alittle unbelievable...takes away from the movie as a whole, but the fact that PSH is in it makes up for any shortcomings. That guy is a great actor.

zeke
05-15-2008, 01:25 PM
Michael Crayton
Okay if you're looking for some pablum, but boringly formulatic with the standard awful representation of professional women as evildoers.



whoa. crazy talk. this was a great film.

zeke
05-15-2008, 01:26 PM
"Before The Devil Knows You're Dead". A great crime film with terrific performances by Philip Seymour Hoffman, Ethan Hawke, Marisa Tomei and Albert Finney. I wasn't too crazy about the last act, but it's one of the better films I saw made last year. Plus, Tomei gets naked a lot and she just gets better with age.


I have to say the movie wasn't that good. The acting was awesome, as usual from PSH, but the movie was a little silly, IMO.

And I love Marisa Tomei. ****ing hell she's good.

Habsy
05-15-2008, 01:31 PM
whoa. crazy talk. this was a great film.

It was also named Michael Clayton so maybe he saw a different flick.


21
In the Valley of Elah -DVD
The Great Debaters

zeke
05-15-2008, 02:30 PM
he must have watched the dubbed version for Asian audiences.

Alfamale
05-15-2008, 02:46 PM
i am legend was good (alternate ending was gay).
no country for old men is excellent.
american gangster is an instant classic.

voyager
05-15-2008, 03:09 PM
i am legend was good (alternate ending was gay).
no country for old men is excellent.
american gangster is an instant classic.

I actually prefered the alternate ending; the original was far too cliched for my liking.

JaysCyYoung
05-15-2008, 03:17 PM
whoa. crazy talk. this was a great film.

I can't remember a more confusing or boring film since Mulholland Drive. It was ridiculously pretentious.

Hoss
05-15-2008, 03:23 PM
I remember seeing mulholland drive in the theatre thinking... man with this cast and what a cool era etc... and I was left dumbstruck at how bad it was...

Another one like that, for me at least, was LA confidential..... bad (in my opinion) maybe it needs another watch but I remember going in thinking this will be an instant classic...

One movie that I went in thinking nothing much of and was blown away by the complexity and richness of the story was Boogie Nights. That movie completely sold me on how amazing PT Anderson really is. Don't judge it as a movie of the porn industry, treat it as a complete moment in some messed up people's lives.

Magnolia kicked ass as well. Best Tom Cruise performance to date. (eff born on the fourth of july)

northernlou
05-15-2008, 03:26 PM
Boogie nights was much better that I had anticapted, and yeah, Mulholland Drive was a murky bore.

northernlou
05-15-2008, 03:31 PM
'The Take' starring John Leguizamo is a pretty good movie about an armored truck that gets car-jacked.

Volcanologist
05-15-2008, 03:46 PM
i am legend was good (alternate ending was gay).


Agreed. Very, very stupid.

BeLeafer
05-15-2008, 03:47 PM
he must have watched the dubbed version for Asian audiences.

No, it was the same highly predictable bag of shit. I guess if you want to see Clooney be the cool bagman who nails the bitch at the end, then whoa ... great film.

zeke
05-15-2008, 03:47 PM
I am legend was a massive dissappointment for me.

zeke
05-15-2008, 03:53 PM
No, it was the same highly predictable bag of shit. I guess if you want to see Clooney be the cool bagman who nails the bitch at the end, then whoa ... great film.

"predictable" to me is the most useless criticism anyone could ever use. "unpredictability" certainly isn't much of a compliment.

And besides, there was still tension and unpredictability at the end, when you thought, even for a second, that he might just take the money and run.

He was anything but cool. Which was part of the charm.

meanwhile both he and the bitch were both well developed characters (with excellent acting performances).

I also loved the elements of action with the corporate hitmen (who were very slick), and the somewat cliche but still very true, and very important, themes of anti-corporatism and just a little hint of magic at the end as well.

excellent movie, through and through.

Alfamale
05-15-2008, 03:54 PM
really zeke what was it about the movie you didn't like? did you read the book?

Alfamale
05-15-2008, 03:56 PM
and yeah, haven't any of you guys seen american gangster? the only thing that makes that movie better is that it's real history. an amazing set of events.

zeke
05-15-2008, 04:05 PM
really zeke what was it about the movie you didn't like? did you read the book?

I didn't hate anything......but I didn't really like anything. I dunno, it was kind of lacklustre and anti-climactic all around.

Factinista
05-15-2008, 04:05 PM
Yeah it was pretty good. Even with the RZA's anachronistic wu tattoo.

zeke
05-15-2008, 04:05 PM
and yeah, haven't any of you guys seen american gangster? the only thing that makes that movie better is that it's real history. an amazing set of events.

eek.

didn't like that one much at all, either.

Alfamale
05-15-2008, 04:14 PM
what happened to you man. you used to be cool.

BeLeafer
05-15-2008, 04:17 PM
He grew a goofy 'stache.

Alfamale
05-15-2008, 04:18 PM
maybe it was because frank lucas was controlling the italian mafia..

Feyd
05-15-2008, 04:24 PM
If you haven't seen I'm Not There, check it out. It's definitely an art-house film, and sorta bogs down during a few scenes, but there's some excellent stuff in it (particularly Cate Blanchett's performance).

runninglow
05-15-2008, 05:05 PM
Saw 'The Last Casino' the other night...not a bad little Canadian flick. Nothing spectacular about the movie overall: decent acting, good script and direction...didn't look like a cheap Canadian flick. But it did grab my wife's and my interest quickly, and the tempo stayed high throughout the movie. Considering that she's not at all a gambler (and we both found the Texas Hold 'Em scenes in Casino Royale horrifically boring), this movie kept the focus shifting from characters to storyline without over-focusing on the blackjack. Overall, worth it if you've got a night to kill (on TMN On Demand this week, too).

Of course, Hollywood went on to remake it as '21', so I'll have to watch that one sometime to see which was better.

habs25th
05-15-2008, 05:25 PM
The Strangers is coming out May 30th, which looks like the first good horror film in a long time.

Is it a remake of the french movie "Ils" (Them in english I think)?

Just watched the trailer and it sure looks like it. "Ils" was average, nothing groundbreaking in horror flick. A 7/10 at best.

Habsy
05-15-2008, 06:03 PM
Why do people say "Italian" Mafia. All "mafia" is italian. The rest are simply OCS (Organized-Crime Syndicates).

Mafia is derived from Ma Familia, sound pretty dumb to call the Irish Syndicate Mafia.

zeke
05-15-2008, 06:11 PM
well, technically, Mafia just means "mob" or "bullies".

So saying "Italian Mafia" is like saying "Irish Mob".


The real name of the "italian crime syndicate" is actually Cosa Nostra.

Alfamale
05-15-2008, 06:20 PM
oh and iron man was pretty subpar, as most jon favreau works are.

zeke
05-15-2008, 06:35 PM
you should just stop watching movies.

Alfamale
05-15-2008, 06:43 PM
your skills are fading with old age.

voyager
05-15-2008, 08:49 PM
well, technically, Mafia just means "mob" or "bullies".

So saying "Italian Mafia" is like saying "Irish Mob".


The real name of the "italian crime syndicate" is actually Cosa Nostra.

What? Are you suggesting that the Irish aren't capable of putting together something more than just an unruly mob? That perhaps we're too drunk to ever be organized?






lol :)

teeds
05-15-2008, 09:57 PM
Wow, religion, music and film really gets the testosterone going huh?

I watched something that I thought was going to be awful, and it turned out to be awesome. Match Point. It was really edgy.

Its not new btw. I got into the film business about three months ago and am having a lot of fun with it. Really interesting. Lot of flakes though, but every industry seems to have those.

JackBurton
05-15-2008, 10:45 PM
Musicals aren't for everyone certainly, but "Sweeney Todd" is one of the best i've seen in years. The look of the film is terrific, which is usually the case with Tim Burton directed films.

Depp doesn't have a strong voice for a musical, but it's passable. The rest of the cast is great.

The format is more like "Chicago" and "Hairspray" than "Rent" or "Phantom of The OPera", in that, there isn't musical numbers for the entire film. They take a break and tell stories through dialogue. THese musicals tend to work better on film than something like "Rent", where it's just endless musical numbers through the entire film. That gets very tiresome imo.

Hoss
05-15-2008, 11:02 PM
http://images.apple.com/moviesxml/s/independent/posters/chapter27_l200804011623.jpg

I don't like Mr Leto, but that is some heavy commitment to get to look like that guy.

Hoss
05-16-2008, 11:34 AM
Can we get back to movies.... make a dylan appreciation thread if needed.

I plan to go see Iron Man this weekend so I will tell the results

JackBurton
05-16-2008, 02:02 PM
The Hunting PartyCool story and good performance by Richard Gere as a former news correspondant that's gone off the rails and is stuck behind in a war zone.

I found it ok, but I really hated the obvious made up ending. What made it worse, they admit as the film ends what parts were real and not, but don't include that awful cliche ending.

LeafHound69
05-16-2008, 03:03 PM
Iron Man, the movie, was garbage.

I mean, RDJ was just great, but I would have been happier if they had just made a 30-minute movie of the action sequences, close-ups of the suit, and Gwynneth's frame as she teetered around in heels and that pencil skirt.

I just watched Eastern Promises last week. That was some serious, serious, up-close violence.
And except for that bit of a sausage-show in the shower scene, I really enjoyed it.

Feyd
05-16-2008, 03:27 PM
Eastern Promises was excellent.

JaysCyYoung
05-16-2008, 03:36 PM
Loved Viggo's performance in Eastern Promises. I saw it with the girlfriend by accident to be honest as we had seen all of the other movies that were playing that night. Was one of the more moving films made in the past year with some of the most realistic violence sequences I've seen. All of them were meaningful and not gratuitous for the sake of gratuity.

Factinista
05-16-2008, 03:45 PM
I'm watching zodiac right now for the first time and it's pretty awesome. So many good actors.

BeLeafer
05-16-2008, 06:19 PM
Zodiac was pretty good.

The scene where the guy gets interrogated then stands up and says before he walks out of the room: "Gentlement, I look foward to the day when police officers are no longer referred to as pigs." Classic.

Feyd
05-16-2008, 06:25 PM
Speaking of cop/crime movies, if anyone hasn't seen L.A. Confidential, check it out. Easily one of the best in that genre.

tuckered
05-16-2008, 08:36 PM
^ love L.A. Confidential it's one of my favorites, I liked Zodiac but its nowhere near as good as La Confidential, the last movie I watched was Street Kings which was absolute garbage albeit entertaining in that Keanu Reeves is completely laughable as an actor.

Hoss
05-17-2008, 12:52 AM
Zodiac was FFFAAARRRR TOOO LOOONG. Tried to create too much style with little substance. That movie should have been told under 2 hours.

The Zodiac thing gave me nightmares when I was a kid seeing the drawings, and I remember watching reenactments on TV.... but this movie took that fear away.

As well I have to watch LA confidential again, because I remember seeing it the first time and hating it....

blkngldbabe
05-17-2008, 01:37 AM
I found the PSH movie to be a complete downer. Man, what a sequence of èvents. Good acting all around, but it was anti climactic IMO.

BeLeafer
05-17-2008, 04:04 AM
I watched Sweeney Todd tonight and it was by far the best movie Tim Burton has ever directed. I'm not a big fan of Burton's films, but really enjoyed it. I was surprised that it was a musical. Just amazingly well done.

Here's a couple of more that I'd recommend:

Breach
Chris Cooper put in an awesome performance and the story is quite good.

The Lives of Others
Very good film about the German Stasi and its impact on peoples' lives. A very timely film in 2006 that people need to see because western nations are going right down that route.

teeds
05-17-2008, 04:16 AM
Don't like musicals and don't like Burton, but because of BL, I may, may go for it. Seraphim Falls people, a real good one.

Apocalypto, any opinions?

BeLeafer
05-17-2008, 04:20 AM
Funny thing is that I don't much like Burton or musicals either (although I find gorey movies to be funny often times).

There's a scene where they are planning on disposing of the bodies that is just classic. You need a dark sense of humour probably, but that goes without saying for Burton, I guess.

teeds
05-17-2008, 04:20 AM
Richard Gere, yech.

JaysCyYoung
05-17-2008, 04:21 AM
Apocalyto was pretty needlessly violent for the sake of violence, but then again it's a Mel Gibson movie. I don't think too many people of Mayan descendent were pretty happy when that movie came out... It has some merits, namely the beautiful set design and the period costumes. The story lacks excitment though and the end is a tad cliched.

Still a decent way to spend two and a half hours watching people get their brains smashed in and hearts ripped out (literally). :p

teeds
05-17-2008, 04:21 AM
Off to bed.

BeLeafer
05-17-2008, 04:21 AM
Gere is an awful actor, just awful.

JaysCyYoung
05-17-2008, 04:22 AM
Gere has his moments. He was God awful in that piece of shit The Mothman Prophecies though.

Hoss
05-17-2008, 09:45 AM
I don't mind musicals, but I hate musicals in the theatre.. Andrew Loyd Weber is a pox.

However I really liked Chicago... I first watched that high, and I thought it was amazing... I watched it regular and still really liked it.

voyager
05-17-2008, 09:54 AM
Chicago (both the theatrical version and the movie version) was very enjoyable. I hate to admit it but I actually bought the soundtrack a few years ago. Granted I lost it when my then girlfriend decided to keep it when we broke up... bitch.

Richard Grere is good for only one thing and that is for gerbil jokes.

JackBurton
05-17-2008, 10:39 AM
Apocalyto was pretty needlessly violent for the sake of violence, but then again it's a Mel Gibson movie. I don't think too many people of Mayan descendent were pretty happy when that movie came out... It has some merits, namely the beautiful set design and the period costumes. The story lacks excitment though and the end is a tad cliched.

Still a decent way to spend two and a half hours watching people get their brains smashed in and hearts ripped out (literally). :p

I think the Mayan culture was really that violent though. I just went to some of the Mayan temples in Mexico, and the sacrifices would seem, were just like in the movie.

The Passion's scene of Jesus being tortured, now that was really over-the-top.

JaysCyYoung
05-17-2008, 12:04 PM
*Some SPOILERS ahead*

Oh absolutely they were, although one can argue that they did not approach the near genocidal levels of violence that the Aztecs practiced. However, there is something to be said for levels of subtlety. To me at least, being a good director is able to project a sense of feelings or a strong emotional response within the audience without explicit renditions of the act (s) itself. That's why I said that I felt that the violence was overtly done in some aspects (did we really need a jaguar mauling scene, for example?).

It was a good movie in many respects, although it's a complete fabrication that the Mayans ever had any contact with the Spanish conquistadors, and I felt that the audience could at least appreciate it for its technical merits and the impressive sets. Gibson definitely has the financial means to create a convincing world. It definitely could have been a better movie in terms of storyline though. It was also nice to see a Native Canadian actor take the lead role in the film.

On another note, this is looking like an awesome summer for movies. Indiana Jones 4 comes out on May 22 and looks like it will be just as great as the original trilogy (which is good because I was so worried they were going to butcher it) and The Dark Knight sequel to Batman Begins comes out on July 18. Throw in that hilarious looking Adam Sandler comedy (who I am generally not a big fan of) "You Don't Mess With the Zohan" about that Israeli Mossad agent turned into a Manhattan barber and we're looking good. Hopefully there's also some quality independent films that fly under the radar as well.

Volcanologist
05-17-2008, 06:57 PM
(did we really need a jaguar mauling scene, for example?).


Well, yeah...it was the fulfilling of the little girl's prophecy, remember?

JackBurton
05-17-2008, 08:59 PM
Finally saw "Iron Man" today. While I did enjoy it, I do feel it's being a bit overrated. It's the best reviewed film of 08' on Rotten Tomatoes.

JaysCyYoung
05-18-2008, 01:01 PM
Volcanologist: it's been over a year since I've seen it, so didn't really recall that. Thanks though.

Jack: that will change once Indiana Jones and The Dark Knight are released.

Feyd
05-18-2008, 03:07 PM
(Spoiler Alert)

What ruined Apocalypto (for me) was how a bunch of rare events coincided in such a short period of time.

- Our hero is saved by a total solar eclipse mere seconds before his heart was about to be cut out.

- Our hero comes across a wild Jaguar and is able to "use" the animal to stall his pursuers.

- Last (and best of all), when all hope seems lost, his life is spared by happening to be in the right place at the right time as the first Spanish conquistadors land.

After the movie ended I was thinking, "buddy, time to buy a lottery ticket!"

axlsalinger
05-18-2008, 03:07 PM
Michael Clayton was a great movie, not sure what BL was thinking while watching this one. I loved the beginning and the ending, maybe it lagged a bit in the middle but overall it's pretty damn good.

Just saw Apocalypto recently, it is worth seeing, but a flawed film for sure. I didn't care for the ending, and I think the screenplay has issues, but it is pretty intense overall and an interesting look into Mayan culture.

Speaking of superhero movies, haven't seen Iron Man yet, but I just saw a couple that I somehow missed in the theatre, and I was surprised at just how good the last Batman movie was, and just how bad Superman was. Not sure what in hell Bryan Singer was thinking, leaving the X-Men series to make this piece of junk. And speaking of Robert Downey Jr, love this guy but I recently saw one of the most incoherent movies I've ever seen - The Singing Detective. Just a mess. Bizarre cameo from Mel Gibson there, he is completely unrecognizable.

JackBurton
05-19-2008, 09:58 AM
Indy 4 got pretty strong reviews at Cannes yesterday. Very good news indeed.

voyager
05-19-2008, 12:17 PM
Indy 4 got pretty strong reviews at Cannes yesterday. Very good news indeed.

I think I was one of the only archaeology students at Trent who hadn't seen any of the Indy movies. I had no desire to see them in the past and I don't really have any now, even though I have a B.Sc in archaeology now.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080513/ap_en_ot/film_indy_and_archaeology

Habsy
05-19-2008, 12:35 PM
So are they introducing his replacement (or Son) in Indy 4? Haven't had time to read up on it.

JackBurton
05-19-2008, 12:47 PM
So are they introducing his replacement (or Son) in Indy 4? Haven't had time to read up on it.

Lucas has said he'd like to do a 5th Indy movie with Shia Labeuf, but who knows if it will ever happen. It took them almost 20 years to do another.


I think for now it's just another 80's action icon that needs a young buddy with him for younger audiences not familiar with the first films (Like John Maclane with that Mac kid last year)

zeke
05-19-2008, 02:12 PM
I watched Sweeney Todd tonight and it was by far the best movie Tim Burton has ever directed. I'm not a big fan of Burton's films, but really enjoyed it. I was surprised that it was a musical. Just amazingly well done.

I'm a fan of Burton's.

Pee Wee's Big Adventure (basically a bizzarro verion of The Bicycle Thief) is a brilliant movie, through and through.

Beetlejuice, Batman, and Edward Scissorhands are all very good.

Big Fish I go back and forth on. I'm leaning towards it being a pretty good move at the moment.




Breach
Chris Cooper put in an awesome performance and the story is quite good.

I think it's insane that you didn't like Michael Clayton, and then recommend this much, MUCH inferior similar movie.

zeke
05-19-2008, 02:14 PM
Zodiac was FFFAAARRRR TOOO LOOONG. Tried to create too much style with little substance. That movie should have been told under 2 hours.

the length was kind of the point. the movie is supposed to convey the same frustration to the audience that the characters had in real life, wasting all those years and never finding an answer.

just another very good recent movie that risked making the audience feel uncomfortable in order to fulfill its vision.

habs25th
05-19-2008, 02:23 PM
BTW Cloverfield owns all in 2007 as far as entertainment goes.

LeafsFanInOttawa
05-19-2008, 02:38 PM
BTW Cloverfield owns all in 2007 as far as entertainment goes.

Really? I watched this movie at home, and I had to take breaks during the movie because of the nauseating camera work. (Especially during the running scenes)

I understand the concept of why the camera was used with this method, but I couldn't handle it.

It was an ok movie, but after watching it, I went online to find all the hidden easter eggs.

Habspatrol
05-19-2008, 02:38 PM
Some great movies I have seen in the past few months.
Juno (sooooo much better than you'd expect from a teenage pregnancy movie)
Iron Man (maybe the best super hero movie ever)
Shoot 'em Up (a 10 as far as entertainment goes)
Forgetting Sarah Marshall (I am big Judd Apatow fan)
There Will Be Blood (worth it just for Daniel Day Lewis' performance)

JackBurton
05-19-2008, 02:40 PM
I found Shoot Em' Up fantastic entertainment for 20 minutes and then it got real old. Even at less then 90 minutes I was bored. Same variations on scenes over and over.

JackBurton
05-19-2008, 02:42 PM
There was so much information that went into the Zodiac case that I thought the film needed the length it had.

habs25th
05-19-2008, 02:55 PM
Really? I watched this movie at home, and I had to take breaks during the movie because of the nauseating camera work. (Especially during the running scenes)

I understand the concept of why the camera was used with this method, but I couldn't handle it.

It was an ok movie, but after watching it, I went online to find all the hidden easter eggs.

Yeah I heard a lot of people had problems with that but I did not. This movie just isn't the same if you watch it at home or at the theatre. Perfect "pop-corn Movie".

habs25th
05-19-2008, 02:59 PM
I found Shoot Em' Up fantastic entertainment for 20 minutes and then it got real old. Even at less then 90 minutes I was bored. Same variations on scenes over and over.

C'mon the scene where he's banging Monica Bellucci while killing 10 guys is pretty good. I liked the over-the-top (almost caricactural) action sequences in the movie. The dialogues were average at best though and Giamatti's character was just awful.

JaysCyYoung
05-19-2008, 03:24 PM
I think Juno was one of the most overrated movies I have ever seen to be honest. I have no clue why it got so much acclaim -- to me it was really more for the "granola" type crowd only. Plus the soundtrack pissed me off it was so bad.

bayrider
05-19-2008, 03:28 PM
C'mon the scene where he's banging Monica Bellucci while killing 10 guys is pretty good. I liked the over-the-top (almost caricactural) action sequences in the movie. The dialogues were average at best though and Giamatti's character was just awful.

I thought the movie was entertaining for what it was; a comedic and twisted action thriller.

Some of it was overkill, like killing that dude with the carrot, but anyone looking too much into it, like I usually do myself, would find it retarded.

I thought it was a fresh twist on your stupid mindless action movie with random fights, boobs and explosions. At least there was a funny element to this. The movie was really short. I think making it any longer would ruin it.

That being said, i doubt i'd watch this movie again.

BeLeafer
05-19-2008, 03:58 PM
I think it's insane that you didn't like Michael Clayton, and then recommend this much, MUCH inferior similar movie.

- action thriller, nope

- gratituous violence, nope

- formulaic, nope

- villianization of a woman with power, nope

- cliche spewing male tough guy hero, nope

- cookie cutter characters, nope

- facile character development, nope

- escapist implausible sensationalism, nope

Saying these films are similar is like saying Pearl Harbor is similar to Dr. Strangelove.

zeke
05-19-2008, 04:09 PM
methinks your girlfriend influenced your opinion of Michael Clayton a wee bit.

BeLeafer
05-19-2008, 04:11 PM
lol, that might be true if it weren't the case that I'm much more of a feminist than her.

Habsy
05-19-2008, 04:39 PM
methinks your girlfriend influenced your opinion of Michael Clayton a wee bit.


Hmm.. and a self-professed feminist too.

Blackheart
05-20-2008, 09:47 AM
I just saw Iron Man yesterday. Very good superhero movie. Rob Downey did a great job as Tony Stark. I would say its almost as good as the Spiderman movies, and better than the X-Men franchise.

Just make sure to stay past then end credits.

Hoss
05-20-2008, 11:40 AM
I did not like the spiderman series as much as the x men ones.

I found the first spiderman lacked, and I guess I thought too much of the hype. The Xmen ones however I thought were excellent.. .the third meh, but the first two are great. My wife who hates comic books thinks the xmen movies are great as well... She actually liked talking to me about the back stories..

I grew up collecting

axlsalinger
05-20-2008, 11:56 AM
They are definitely among the very best superhero movies. Tough for me to compare, I loved Spiderman comics way more than X-Men as a kid, but I do think the first two X-Men movies were fantastic (the third one, however, was not). But Spiderman 2 may be the best of all. Ultimately I'd rank them like this: Spiderman 2, X-Men 2, X-Men 1, Spiderman 1. All four are pretty good IMO. Haven't seen Spidey 3 yet, but I've heard nothing but bad things. Strongly recommend Batman Begins as well.

It's unfortunate that my favourite comic of all (Fantastic Four) fell into the wrong hands when it finally made it to the silver screen. I wouldn't say they're awful, but they're not very good either.

LeafHound69
05-20-2008, 11:56 AM
I did not like the spiderman series as much as the x men ones.

I found the first spiderman lacked, and I guess I thought too much of the hype. ...
I grew up collecting

Yup.

I understand that, in the original episode, Spiderman's webbing came out of his wrists, a-la the movie, but in the million or so comics that followed, he was shown a gazillion times filling/replacing the "webbing fluid" cartridges for the web-shooters that he invented.

I was looking forward to seeing him make these, as well as how they would look on-screen, and was a little choked when the movie folks chose to take what appeared to be the easy way out.

Toby isn't terrible as Peter Parker, but as much as I'd like to wrestle with Kirsten Dunst, she is not Mary Jane Watson.

X-Men: good effects, love Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, fricken hate Ian McKellen as Magneto- have these movie people ever picked up one of these comics?

Rusty903
05-20-2008, 12:15 PM
Watching Sin City totally baked is awesome:thumbup:

JackBurton
05-20-2008, 12:36 PM
Watching Sin City totally baked is awesome:thumbup:


Seing it any way is awesome considering Carla Gugino is topless.

Bleedsblue&white
05-20-2008, 01:00 PM
Yup.

I understand that, in the original episode, Spiderman's webbing came out of his wrists, a-la the movie, .....
I was looking forward to seeing him make these, as well as how they would look on-screen, and was a little choked when the movie folks chose to take what appeared to be the easy way out.



I read somewhere the director thought it was to much to have Parker invent some super-web...it's not like he's a multi-millionaire with a team of geeks and a lab at his disposal...and even though it's not the comic it actually makes more sense.
What, he can climb walls, has super strength but had to invent the web part?

It grew on me.

LeafHound69
05-20-2008, 01:33 PM
I read somewhere the director thought it was to much to have Parker invent some super-web...it's not like he's a multi-millionaire with a team of geeks and a lab at his disposal...and even though it's not the comic it actually makes more sense.
What, he can climb walls, has super strength but had to invent the web part?

It grew on me.


That was the beauty of it: Peter Parker in the comics basically is a scientific genius- if Tony Stark can make an uber exoskeleton, complete with rocket booster boots, flamethrowers, and a freaky-deaky glowing power core for his heart, all out of scraps of metal, using just a soldering iron and an assortment of torches... in a desert cave, then surely Peter Parker can come up with some sort of chemical fluid that mimics spider webbing, as well as the device to spin/shoot it.

Of the two scenarios, I'd say Parker's is actually wa-a-ay more "plausible".

JaysCyYoung
05-20-2008, 01:39 PM
The movie version of his webbing was MUCH better. It's alot more believeable to go the genetic route.

LeafHound69
05-20-2008, 01:56 PM
...It's alot more believeable to go the genetic route.

Then, like a spider, he really should have had the webbing shoot out of his azz. :thumbup:

Now that would have been entertaining...

Bleedsblue&white
05-20-2008, 01:58 PM
:laughing

Blackheart
05-20-2008, 02:42 PM
I dunno, I liked the X-Men movies, but felt that Wolverine was too much of a pussy. I thought Hugh Jackman did a good job, though.

I guess they tried to portray him as another member of the team, like he was initally in the comics, rather than the uber-badass he turned into once he got popular.

They are making a Wolverine movie I heard, so maybe that will be the proper vehicle for him.

Where's the love for Daredevil?(jk)

Volcanologist
05-20-2008, 02:47 PM
Then, like a spider, he really should have had the webbing shoot out of his azz. :thumbup:

Now that would have been entertaining...

Yeah, and when he goes out to eat at a restaurant...yeesh...

bayrider
05-20-2008, 03:05 PM
The Spiderman movies blew chunks. The most overrated movies I think in recent memory. The 3rd one was absolutely awful. I couldn't believe how bad it was.

I liked X-Men. I thought the first was the best. Never saw the 3rd one. The 2nd was okay, nothing special though.

reebus
05-20-2008, 03:37 PM
A good comic book movie makes the best blockbuster - so I can't complain about the ridiculous glut of them.

I haven't seen Iron Man yet, so I have no comment. But I think the best one, in terms of the combination of how well it was made and how well it captured the spirit of the comic - was Spiderman 2. I enjoyed Batman Begins more because I think Batman is a more intriguing character, but it wasn't as flawless as Spiderman 2 was IMO. Of course, the new Batman movie looks like it could be the new champ once it comes out. I thought X-Men 2 was great as well... But I don't think the X-Men work as well character-wise in the movies as it does in the comics, though the special FX were great.

The first X-Men and Spiderman were the obligatory, boring stories that most people know like the back of their hand. Spiderman especially was pretty lame. And the third ones for both franchises were absolutely, inexplicably bad considering the source material they had to work with. But damn, they were very entertaining for those middle movies when they got it right.

zeke
05-20-2008, 04:17 PM
That was the beauty of it: Peter Parker in the comics basically is a scientific genius- if Tony Stark can make an uber exoskeleton, complete with rocket booster boots, flamethrowers, and a freaky-deaky glowing power core for his heart, all out of scraps of metal, using just a soldering iron and an assortment of torches... in a desert cave, then surely Peter Parker can come up with some sort of chemical fluid that mimics spider webbing, as well as the device to spin/shoot it.

Of the two scenarios, I'd say Parker's is actually wa-a-ay more "plausible".

well, Tony Stark was a billionaire engineer who had already developed a prototype of those things before going to the cave.....and once in the cave, he had an arsenal of the most techinically advanced weapons in the world to scavenge from.

that's a bit more realitic than a part-time paperboy somehow developing a product that science is stil having trouble getting anywhere close to solving today.

JaysCyYoung
05-20-2008, 04:38 PM
The third X-Men makes my top five worst movies ever list. Ian McKellan lifting up the Golden Gate Bridge with his powers stands as one of the worst scenes ever in any movie.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eiL31ZBxoy8

WHO THOUGHT THIS WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA?! SERIOUSLY.

axlsalinger
05-20-2008, 04:56 PM
The entire bridge scene from beginning to end was ill-conceived, ludicrous and unnecessary. Bryan Singer made the first two X-Men movies and then turned the reins over to one of the worst hacks in Hollywood (Brett Ratner). All so that he could go make a bad Superman movie. It's a shame.

JaysCyYoung
05-20-2008, 05:00 PM
What does everyone think of that new M. Night Shamylan movie coming out: the Happening? The dude hasn't made a good film since Unbreakable and that was way back in 2000. I really don't know how studios keep giving him money.

JackBurton
05-20-2008, 05:03 PM
What does everyone think of that new M. Night Shamylan movie coming out: the Happening? The dude hasn't made a good film since Unbreakable and that was way back in 2000. I really don't know how studios keep giving him money.

The only film he's made that wasn't succesful financially was Lady in The Water (which was just horrible)

The Happening looks good, but it feels rather similar in themes from his other films. (Based on what I see in the trailer anyways)

JaysCyYoung
05-20-2008, 05:18 PM
I looked up the spoiler online (I wasn't planning on seeing this anyways) and WOW. All I can say is don't even bother spending your hard-earned cash on this one.

It will be lucky to hit 30% on Rotten Tomatoes.

bayrider
05-20-2008, 05:53 PM
What does everyone think of that new M. Night Shamylan movie coming out: the Happening? The dude hasn't made a good film since Unbreakable and that was way back in 2000. I really don't know how studios keep giving him money.

Shyamalan is a one hit wonder. That movie, The Village was soooooo bad. I figured out the ending maybe 20-30mins into it. It was no surprise to me when those kids jumped the fence into the modern world. He always ads these stupid twists where you're supposed to say "oh I didn't see that coming"

reebus
05-20-2008, 05:55 PM
Turning the whole twist ending thing into a gimmick really cheapens Shamalyan's work.

LeafHound69
05-20-2008, 06:14 PM
... a product that science is stil having trouble getting anywhere close to solving today.

Scientists are trying to turn some guy's rear end into a spider? Ewww...
Shouldn't they be working on a cure for cancer, or something?

I dunno; Peter Parker developing that technology made perfect sense to me at the time- of course, I was about nine years old.

Bleedsblue&white
05-20-2008, 06:26 PM
It's a slippery slope trying to use logic in the comic world no doubt.

I mean, the FIRST time I had Superman at the mercy of Kryptonite, he'd of been dead.

mbow30
05-21-2008, 09:40 AM
What does everyone think of that new M. Night Shamylan movie coming out: the Happening? The dude hasn't made a good film since Unbreakable and that was way back in 2000. I really don't know how studios keep giving him money.

unbreakable sucked, too.

Factinista
05-21-2008, 06:53 PM
Anyone ever seen "I'm Not There"? Not sure what to think about this one.

Volcanologist
05-21-2008, 07:18 PM
Saw Pan's Labyrinth. Meh, it was ok. Kinda expected better.

zeke
05-21-2008, 07:41 PM
yeah, expected more from that one too. good movie, though.

I hate expectations, they've ruined many a decent movie for me.

johnunit
05-21-2008, 07:51 PM
had the same experience with Pans Labyrinth. Above average movie, but the reviewers were just in hysterics about it.

Factinista
05-21-2008, 07:57 PM
I just 'liked' the movie. I found the mixture of fantasy/innocence and violence/horror to be pretty damn disturbing. It may have been the point, but it was a real difficult watch for me.

axlsalinger
05-21-2008, 09:26 PM
Yeah, I thought it would be a lot better than it was as well. It was alright, but definitely not worthy of all the hype.

MindzEye
05-21-2008, 09:48 PM
Yeah, I was expecting a lot more out of it as well. Didn't expect it to be nearly as brutal in the violence catagory. My ex wanted to go see it because it was apparently directed by a good Mexican director (she's Mexican), and she didn't exactly have the stomache for some of the brutality. Didn't bother me so much, but she was looking looking at my shoulder for a good chunk of the movie. We both kind of expected a more fantasyish type of flick.

Volcanologist
05-21-2008, 10:25 PM
I was actually expecting David Bowie to pop out of the countryside any second or something when I was watching it. Weird movie.

I found the violence jarring and too much of a contrast with the childhood/fantasy elements of the movie. It seemed...out of place. Did we really need the wine bottle thing? Yeesh...and I'm watching this in HD on top of it.

Alfamale
05-21-2008, 11:04 PM
i've been watching "planet earth" on blue ray. i'm through 2 of the 8 episodes and i'm loving it so far -- well worth the hefty price tag.

oh, and i watched zodiac tonight but with the old lady so i missed a fair chunk. it seemed pretty good though a little bit long, but if you're a true crime buff like me you can't miss really.

JackBurton
05-22-2008, 02:53 AM
I thought "Pan's Labrynth" was the best film of 06'. Loved it.

JaysCyYoung
05-24-2008, 03:01 AM
I just got back from Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I'm about the biggest Indy fan out there, but the ending was simply atrocious. Anyone who saw that film can vouch for what I'm referring to. The pacing and the action sequences were as good as the originals and the film definitely possessed the original magic in most of the fight scenes. Coupled with the inside jokes and the various homages with the original trilogy Indy IV seemed to be setting itself up well as a seamless transition into the first group of films.

The problem came when Lucas and Spielberg took a huge leap of faith and went down the pseudoscience route at the end... When I saw what was unfolding I had my fists clenched in prayer that what was about to occur wouldn't end up on-screen, but it did.

leaffan2005
05-24-2008, 07:54 AM
IJ4 was very corny, although it did have it's moments (action scene in the forest was unreal and classic Lucas). Incidentally, I have never seen the other movies so I am assuming this is one of the worst ones in the series.

As for Shamylan, I think his movies are an acquired taste. You either love them or you hate them. I for one liked The Village, and all of his other movies except for Lady in the Water. His new movie looks similar to Signs, so it's hard to tell how he will make it into a success. He's a good film maker for sure, though. Very quirky, imaginative and unique, and his casting has been spot on for all of his films.

Hoss
05-24-2008, 10:24 PM
I found Signs to be a very good movie... the suspense created was great. I show that movie to my students (gr 6) during halloween, to teach how to create suspense without gore.

CTheBigPicture
05-24-2008, 10:43 PM
wathched "Cocaine Cowboys" (documentary) the other day. Found it very interesting. Definitely recommend it.

and if you like GTA games, then you will love this story. GTA suddenly seems very realistic ;) haha

CTheBigPicture
05-24-2008, 10:45 PM
i've been watching "planet earth" on blue ray. i'm through 2 of the 8 episodes and i'm loving it so far -- well worth the hefty price tag.


Finally bought it today. Its with a friend but I will start watching from tomorrow.

The Shrike
05-25-2008, 12:19 PM
The real name of the "italian crime syndicate" is actually Cosa Nostra.This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35nrS59Dxg4) is the real mob, not those whiners on the Sopranos.

BG
05-25-2008, 12:51 PM
I just got back from Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull. I'm about the biggest Indy fan out there, but the ending was simply atrocious. Anyone who saw that film can vouch for what I'm referring to. The pacing and the action sequences were as good as the originals and the film definitely possessed the original magic in most of the fight scenes. Coupled with the inside jokes and the various homages with the original trilogy Indy IV seemed to be setting itself up well as a seamless transition into the first group of films.

The problem came when Lucas and Spielberg took a huge leap of faith and went down the pseudoscience route at the end... When I saw what was unfolding I had my fists clenched in prayer that what was about to occur wouldn't end up on-screen, but it did.

Saw it last night.

What a disappointment.

The movie is just a 2 hour introduction to Indiana Jones hollywood heir.

The characters, including Indy are paper-thin, the story is "out there" and I'm sure the entire movie was shot on the backlot. It looked more like bad TV than a hollywood blockbuster.

This movie (for me) has cheapened the entire series, I can honestly say I wish I hadn't seen it.

The Shrike
05-25-2008, 01:29 PM
I found Signs to be a very good movie... the suspense created was great. I show that movie to my students (gr 6) during halloween, to teach how to create suspense without gore.M. Night was definately channelling Hitchcock when he made Signs, there are several scenes that are stolen right out of Alfreds playbook, most glaringly the opening credits which really set the mood.

His three best films are Unbreakable (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBGhV2gjQMQ), Signs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RGtC2S22Z0), and The Sixth Sense (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOT5-Rpiy3U), I'll forgive him any mistakes he made after that.

I think M. Nights biggest problem is his own fragile ego. He doesn't react to criticism well, and has made many enemies as a result.

Signs was one example where the ending was foreshadowed, yet because people who didn't get it complained loudly (and still do today) on the net, M. Night got his back up and refused to explain it on subsequent interviews.

The book (http://www.amazon.com/Man-Who-Heard-Voices-Shyamalan/dp/1592402135) didn't help either, he came across as a self deluded, narcissistic, raving lunatic.

It pays to be humble, nowhere moreso than in Hollywood.

CTheBigPicture
05-27-2008, 01:44 AM
Watching Planet Earth (yes FINALLY) It is simply amazing. Not sure if I'll get any sleep tonight. It's like a book you can't put down. Thanks for recommending it.

BeLeafer
05-27-2008, 02:05 AM
Watched Sunshine by Danny Boyle this past weekend. (I'll probably watch every movie he ever makes simply due to Trainspotting, much like Fincher and Seven.)

I don't mind a good sci fi and this is a pretty entertaining film. The funny thing is that after watching the deleted scenes, I thought ... man, now I understand what was going on there! Too many scenes chopped.

Worth watching for sure.

Hoss
05-27-2008, 08:35 AM
This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35nrS59Dxg4) is the real mob, not those whiners on the Sopranos.

My wife absolutely loves Rome .... I watched a bit of the first season but I still can't get over watching what are supposed to be Romans all have this thick british accent.... I swear I heard one of the servants say. "good day govner" to Caeser... I swear

leaffan2005
05-27-2008, 10:30 AM
Watched Sunshine by Danny Boyle this past weekend. (I'll probably watch every movie he ever makes simply due to Trainspotting, much like Fincher and Seven.)

I don't mind a good sci fi and this is a pretty entertaining film. The funny thing is that after watching the deleted scenes, I thought ... man, now I understand what was going on there! Too many scenes chopped.

Worth watching for sure.

I'll have to watch it again, because although the moving was very well-made and very interesting, the ending (or the last hour of the movie) really ruined it for me. Totally went in a different direction than I expected, and really ruined an otherwise refreshing low-budget film.

Any horror fans going to bite the bullet and watch The Strangers this weekend? I've been waiting for a good horror movie for the last 6-7 years, and this one has gotten very good ratings, so I have high hopes.

AskewView
05-27-2008, 01:25 PM
Posted this in the playground forum, but it's kinda dead lately.....


Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull

Much better than Temple Of Doom(the second in the series). But nowhere close to as good as Raiders or Crusade.

Random list of beefs.........

Indy didn't have dialogue. He had one-liners. Bad ones.

Horrible and excessive CGI.

Horrid cinematography. What the f**k is Spielberg's obsession with blown-out lighting?

The half-dimensional tag along characters: "Jonesy!" spouting good/bad guy, muttering loony, and Marion.

It tried to be funny and just came off stupid and goofy.

There was no sense of real emotion, threat, or suspense in the entire movie.

The editing was odd and shoddy.

John Williams "score" sounded more like recycled sound bytes.

Cartoon animals.

Cate Blanchett as the evil Russian was weak. Not a very good nemisis for Indy in my opinon.

I understand that there is a certain amount of plausibility that goes out the window in an action movie, but man I groaned out loud when Mutt all of a sudden became Tarzan and started to swing effortlessly through the jungle.

The ending pissed me off. Indiana Jones is about a boy scout that never grew up. Basically an adult boy scout who goes off to explore old ruins and site and discovers all this stuff.

Well, the ending wasn't about discovering ancient ruins, let's just leave it at that for no spoilers.

It's basically like National Treasure 1 & 2 level of a movie.

They seemed to share the same "Hey, here's a clue/here's a wisecrack/here's another location/here's another character/here's another clue/here's another wisecrack/here's an implausible action setpiece/here's another clue etc etc" format. I enjoyed the National Treasure movies for what they were, and I enjoyed the new Indy.

I just didn't enjoy it as an Indy film, if you get me.

I would of much rather of them explore Indy's Dad's mentioning Excalibur. Would of given the movie more heart, Indy finishing Dad's work, etc. Indy following the steps back in time to find the sword. The scenes shot in England alone would of been killer.

Cheers mates.

Factinista
05-27-2008, 06:15 PM
Watched "The World According to Monsanto" recently and man, if that isn't the most evil company in the world then I don't know what is. They are basically trying to replace all of the natural crops in the world with their own patented ones which die every year, forcing the farmer to purchase more from them every year. Their genetically altered crops also pollinate nearby normal crops, thereby destroying them. If they are successful then this will have huge, huge ramifications for everyone on Earth, as they would essentially own all food. PS this isn't a conspiracy theory.

Highly recommended to everyone.

bayrider
05-27-2008, 07:22 PM
Does anyone else feel that, along with the actual movies themselves, movie critics, the press and awards are extremely watered down lately? Most of these acclaimed movies are barely passable as anything great or memorable anymore. Maybe it's just me, but whenever I actually see one of these films that got great reviews, I come out scratching my head. I think the whole US film industry has become a joke.

LeafNation
05-27-2008, 07:38 PM
Does anyone else feel that, along with the actual movies themselves, movie critics, the press and awards are extremely watered down lately? Most of these acclaimed movies are barely passable as anything great or memorable anymore. Maybe it's just me, but whenever I actually see one of these films that got great reviews, I come out scratching my head. I think the whole US film industry has become a joke.

I agree.. and it isn't just movies but music used to be alot better (as a whole) as well.. And while we're at it I can say the same for professional sports etc.

The entertainment industry needs a whole new makeover.

Alfamale
05-27-2008, 07:48 PM
it's a tour de force.

bayrider
05-27-2008, 07:55 PM
The biz has turned from trying to get praise from the viewers for the films and music to telling the viewers what they should like.

LeafNation
05-27-2008, 08:02 PM
The biz has turned from trying to get praise from the viewers for the films and music to telling the viewers what they should like.

Not only that, but everything is so transparent nowadays. There used to be some sort of "mystery" with stars and music groups etc..

Today, you know everything about them with all the stupid gossip publications out there. The mystery factor is gone whenever someone (or a group of people) have any semblance of success nowadays.

MindzEye
05-27-2008, 08:10 PM
Bought a bootlegged copy of Prince Caspian. Good flick. Much like the books did, the C.S Lewis movies are getting more adult as they go along.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
05-28-2008, 11:15 AM
I just saw 'Thief' with James Caan for the first time. Some of lines in that movie are incredible.

Hoss
05-28-2008, 12:31 PM
some of the best "lines" come from the movie Closer... Clive Owens says so many absolutely perfect things.

Plus Natalie Portman is absolutely stunning in this movie..... If you can deal with what a wimpy character Jude Law is then it's a great movie... but that is the point of the Law character... he is the antithesis of cool that Owen is. Great movie

LeafHound69
05-28-2008, 12:50 PM
I'm embarrassed (but man enough) to admit that I recently saw the Jason Statham movie: In the Name of the King.

:thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::t humbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown::thu mbsdown::thumbsdown::thumbsdown:

Sweet tap-dancing Christ, was that an absolutley off-the-charts terrible movie! I mean, I wasn't expecting much, but ...wow.

Stupid plot, perhaps the worst monster-suits since that Travolta tour-de-force: Battlefield Earth, and wretched acting- Ray Liotta as the villain was stand-out bad in a cast full of bad acting (how the mighty have fallen).

I'm seriously considering doing Blockbuster, Liotta, and everyone in Winnipeg a favor by frisbee-ing this thing off my back deck...

Hoss
05-28-2008, 01:31 PM
I saw the first 15 minutes of Crank, and the acting was no better than a saturday night live sketch with Jimmy Fallon in it.............

I was told the action is great, but man you actually have to sit through the other parts and it totally negates the action.

On TMN I watched Recount, an HBO movie about the Gore Bush Election scandal... Always good to see a little of what went on behind the scenes.

Had some good actors in it., Spacey, Dennis Leary etc... a little long, but to see the complete ridiculousness of the process was interesting. Those Bush cronies were relentless back then... It also shows you how dumb and slow some of the top Gore people were... some.

I have banned all Jason Statham movies from my television, as all that I have seen have been pure shiiite... yes even the transporter.

bayrider
05-28-2008, 02:55 PM
For you Stratham fans
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1129442/

JackBurton
05-28-2008, 06:43 PM
I just saw 'Thief' with James Caan for the first time. Some of lines in that movie are incredible.

Michael Mann's first film. It's great.

JackBurton
05-28-2008, 06:46 PM
I'll have to watch it again, because although the moving was very well-made and very interesting, the ending (or the last hour of the movie) really ruined it for me. Totally went in a different direction than I expected, and really ruined an otherwise refreshing low-budget film.


I was so dissapointed it became "Freddy in Space" in the last act. It was such a sci-fi cliche. Too bad, really liked what I saw prior to that.

JackBurton
05-29-2008, 12:06 AM
Indiana Jones and The Kingdom of The Crystal Skull.

I don't know if i've ever been this dissapointed in a film before. I tried not to let hype get to me, but I was hoping for a sequel since 1989 when I saw Last Crusade in the theater 6 times.



I don't understand how it's rated so highly on the ole' tomatometer. THe script was so weak, the pacing was bad, the acting was lame, Marain was given NOTHING to do, and the ending was such a momumental letdown.



I defend Shia Labeuf , but he was terribly mis-cast as Mutt. He just didn't fit the character as a 50's greaser at all.



And i've been avoiding spoilers so maybe I'm wrong but where is the outrage over the scene with Mutt becoming Tarzan in the jungle? It was so bad. I've never been that upset watching one scene, it just killed whatever enjoyment I was mustering from the film.

LeafGm
05-29-2008, 01:19 AM
And i've been avoiding spoilers so maybe I'm wrong but where is the outrage over the scene with Mutt becoming Tarzan in the jungle? It was so bad. I've never been that upset watching one scene, it just killed whatever enjoyment I was mustering from the film.
Yeah, that scene was bad, but c'mon. What about (spoiler alert: highlight to read) Indy being right in the middle of a nuclear blast and surviving by taking refuge in a refrigerator? Even forgetting that the blast would incinerate him and that fridge immediately, and that the radiation would kill him, the refrigerator getting hurled a mile into the air with Indy inside would turn him into a mashed up pulp. I mean, I try not to over-analyze popcorn flicks, but you hope for at least some semblance of reality. And having the entire story be about aliens just ruins the entire series. George Lucas has now successfully gone back and ruined every good film he ever created.

At least I was prepared for it though. I knew going in that it was going to be another George Lucas butcher-job on a successful film franchise, but one of my friends really wanted to see it and dragged me along with him.

AskewView
05-29-2008, 09:41 AM
"Hey George, Harrison and myself were thinking we need to tweak the script a bit."

"NO!!! CGI gophers Steven, CGI gophers is all we need!"



And i've been avoiding spoilers so maybe I'm wrong but where is the outrage over the scene with Mutt becoming Tarzan in the jungle? It was so bad. I've never been that upset watching one scene, it just killed whatever enjoyment I was mustering from the film.

Right in my review I ranted about it too.

JackBurton
05-29-2008, 03:06 PM
Temple of Doom was over-the-top in plot, but at least all the scenes fit into the theme of the movie.

The jungle boy scene, the fridge scene, and Marion driving over a cliff onto a tree added up to just a few seconds of film, but was so ridiculous. Why they would have those scenes in the film is beyond me.

zeke
05-29-2008, 03:18 PM
Lucas I think has honestly gone a bit crazy in his old age. It seems like he's secluded himself on his ranch, and is utterly convinced that actors and sets are just an inconvenience to moves, and he can do it all better on a computer. He's also convinced himself that a movie needs cutie & slapstick kiddie moments to be "fun".

It's hard to believe that he can't realize that his spaceships actually looked more realistic in 1977 than they did in 2007.

JackBurton
05-29-2008, 03:26 PM
Yup. The effects in the 3 newest Star Wars films were just terrible. There were characters standing in rooms where furniture was CGI.

CGI can be very complimentary in scenes, but to overuse it too much like Lucas does, it really shows how fake it looks and takes you out of the scene.

Lucas is just completely out of touch with movie audiences.

Of course, guys will always do their best work when they're broke and trying hard for success. When guys like Spielberg and Lucas reach 60 and have a billion dollars, they've lost motivation.

bayrider
05-29-2008, 03:31 PM
Speaking of CGI, I heard there's a new installment of Jurassic Park in the works.

To be honest, I didn't like the first 2. Never saw the 3rd.

Hoss
05-29-2008, 03:52 PM
The third was the WORST ... I think the movie was about 45 minutes long.. complete chopiness in terms of story sequence......ridiculous..

The first one was great.. concept action effects... that was a great summer movie... sure the science was off but who the hell cares, it had dinosaurs in it that looked real.

Also Lucas has made one good movie his whole life in which he directed ... American Graffitti. The acting in the first star wars is brutal... Empire was a thing of beauty because he had Kirschner or whomever direct it.

The new star wars are bad because he directed them... and the cheesy dialogue exists because of him.. he can't direct actors to be good.

JaysCyYoung
05-30-2008, 01:02 AM
When you make a Harvard-educated accomplished actress like Natalie Portman butcher basic lines, you know that you can't write a script to save your life. Anyone who knows the line in the third new Star Wars film can attest to what I am referring to...

Volcanologist
05-30-2008, 01:26 AM
The new Star Wars were abysmal. It wasn't the overripe effects so much as the total lack of personality. The characters were cardboard and lifeless. And that little wuss they got to play Vader...give me a break.

I'd probably rent a new Jurassic Park. I liked the first two and even the third one wasn't too bad.

JackBurton
06-01-2008, 07:26 PM
BTW, I saw "Rambo" the other day, I was shocked at how much I liked it. It's as good, if not better than any Rambo film, and Stallone does a much better job at ressurecting his 80's action icon than Spielberg/Lucas did with Indy 4.

The film is only 83 minutes, and flies by very fast. It's got non-stop action, and a pretty interesting if thin plot.

It's violent as all hell, but everyone expects that in a Rambo film, right?

A great action film. I highly recommend it.

JaysCyYoung
06-01-2008, 07:28 PM
He killed 283 people apparently. I loved Ramo too, especially for a remake. :D

PlayerToBeNamedLater
06-02-2008, 07:23 PM
Saw 'Death at a Funeral' over the weekend. Not bad.

Artnes
06-02-2008, 07:28 PM
Went and seen "The Strangers" Friday night.

Stupid story line with a stupid ending, but what you'd expect from you're typical slasher movie.

It did have a few jumpy parts and I did like the use of the simple masks, but I suggest waiting for it to go to dvd before seeing it.

JackBurton
06-02-2008, 07:37 PM
I rented the Jodi Foster film, "THe Brave One". Skip it. It is very bad. It relies on non-stop coincidences to keep the story going and the ending is ludicrous to say the least. It was no "Death Wish" or even the recent "Death Senteance".

bayrider
06-02-2008, 07:57 PM
I found this kickass list of Hollywood sequels which will pollute the market over the next couple of years:

The Brazilian Job

I Robot 2

I Am Legend 2

Beverly Hills Cop 4

National Treasure 3

Cars 2

Toy Story 3

Jeepers Creepers 3

Shrek 5

Night at the Museum 2

Crank 2: High Voltage

Transporter 3

Super Troopers 2

Silent Hill 2

The Descent 2

The Grudge 3

Ice Age 3

Ghost Rider 2

The Untouchables: Capone Rising

The Thomas Crown Affair 2

The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor

Starship Troopers 3: Mauruder

Pink Panther 2

Ace Ventura 3 (no Jim Carey)

War of the Worlds 2

Scary Move 5

Saw 5

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/13412/30_upcoming_movie_sequels_you_didnt_know_about.htm l?redux

I put the ones in bold for the ones that I think, nay, I know, will be gay.

The ones not highlighted have a chance of not causing me to regurgitate

BeLeafer
06-02-2008, 08:31 PM
Watched Iron Man on the weekend. Mindless but very entertaining outside of the racism.

Saw another one last night called Stay. Interesting but it doesn't pull together that well. Worth a view if you're bored.

SharkByte
06-02-2008, 08:36 PM
how waz ironman racist besides the "AFGHANS" speaking Arabic and Urdu

BeLeafer
06-02-2008, 08:40 PM
Stereotypes of Arabic males -- irrational, primitive, violent, fodder for the camera and so on. Give Edward Said's Orientalism a read.

SharkByte
06-02-2008, 08:42 PM
ok but it was still one of the best movies this year
worst was Indiana Jones
THE STrangers was a good movie 2

Habsy
06-02-2008, 08:42 PM
Fool's Gold... sucked.

BeLeafer
06-02-2008, 08:45 PM
ok but it was still one of the best movies this year

Yeah, it was very entertaining. Mind you, I also have issue with making a war criminal into a hero.

:thumbsup(22):

MindzEye
06-02-2008, 08:50 PM
Yeah, it was very entertaining. Mind you, I also have issue with making a war criminal into a hero.

:thumbsup(22):

I actually liked the fact that they took a fairly reasonable premise (a U.S arms manufacturer funneling weapons to conflicts off the books) and blended that with a war criminal's change of heart....erm...pardon the pun.

As for the racism, I think you're looking too hard. Islamic fundamentalism does exist, and though the group used was quite stereotypical, I didn't find it racist.

Alfamale
06-02-2008, 09:49 PM
children of men is an awesome movie.

Factinista
06-02-2008, 10:48 PM
Hear hear, my favourite from last year by far. Seeing Michael Caine smoking weed and listening to hip hop was worth the price of admission alone.

Habspatrol
06-02-2008, 10:55 PM
Children of Men was not good at all. It had some potential but missed in a big way.

JackBurton
06-02-2008, 10:58 PM
Hear hear, my favourite from last year by far. Seeing Michael Caine smoking weed and listening to hip hop was worth the price of admission alone.

"Pull My Finger"

Factinista
06-02-2008, 11:01 PM
"Pull My Finger"

Damn, what a scene. I need to watch it again now.

I also really liked the "show me your fugee face. Sad, sad fugee face" line. Always gets me.

bayrider
06-05-2008, 08:11 PM
I watched There Will be Blood last night.

If i wasn't for DDL, the movie would be flat out garbage.

Chalk this one up under overhyped.

Montana
06-05-2008, 08:25 PM
I watched There Will be Blood last night.

If i wasn't for DDL, the movie would be flat out garbage.

Chalk this one up under overhyped.

That's on par with saying, without Michael Jordan, the Bulls wouldn't have been half as good as they were.


DDL's performance,
(which was one of the best in recent memory), that makes it as brilliant a film as it is. You're also vastly underrating the work PT Anderson did directing.

The movie was FAR from being "flat out garbage"

bayrider
06-05-2008, 08:42 PM
Acting is only one part to a good movie. Your assertion that good acting = good movie. That's far from the truth.

TWBB had no climax. It started from a lull and kept it's anemic pace all the way to the very end.

And I didn't say the movie was flat out garbage. I said it was overhyped. If it wasn't for DDL, this movie would be straight to DVD. Then again, I've seen worse movies get better praise.

Montana
06-05-2008, 09:08 PM
Acting is only one part to a good movie. Your assertion that good acting = good movie. That's far from the truth.


That was far from my assertation.

As I'm sure nearly everyone else realized.



TWBB had no climax.

It did.....but apparently it was lost on you.


It started from a lull and kept it's anemic pace all the way to the very end.

If it's action you need........go watch Indy 4, I'm sure it'll be more up your alley.



In the end it's obviously all in the eye of the beholder........but for many film buff's, and those that study filmaking, it was a brilliant film, from top to bottom.

Isaac25
06-05-2008, 09:48 PM
I loved TWBB...great story and the pace was fantastic. I loved all of the symbolism in the film. It was by far the best film of last year...

bayrider
06-05-2008, 09:57 PM
That was far from my assertation.

As I'm sure nearly everyone else realized.



It did.....but apparently it was lost on you.



If it's action you need........go watch Indy 4, I'm sure it'll be more up your alley.



In the end it's obviously all in the eye of the beholder........but for many film buff's, and those that study filmaking, it was a brilliant film, from top to bottom.

Never been a fan of mindless blockbuster action movies

GGpX
06-05-2008, 10:02 PM
I'm with Montana, TWBB was great. The only thing I didn't like in TWBB was when the music was played... A lot of the time, felt out of place. But still, a really good movie.

I think DDL acted out the best scene (In terms of acting) I've ever seen at the end of the movie. Mind you, I'm not very big on movies. I don't watch many, and there are plenty of old movies I haven't seen. (I watched Pulp Fiction for the first time earlier this week)

leaffan2005
06-05-2008, 10:14 PM
Don't feel bad.

I'm VERY big on movies, and I just watched the Godfather for the first time last week. :(

Habsy
06-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Sacrilege!

All men over the age of 13 should watch The Godfather I and II and stay away from III.

Montana
06-05-2008, 10:19 PM
Never been a fan of mindless blockbuster action movies

Not a fan of sarcasm, I guess?



Honestly though, it's such an incredibly terrible movie, it's worth watching purely for the kitch factor......possibly one of the most un-intentionally funny movies I've seen in a while.

It's shockingly bad........soooo sooo bad.

LeafNation
06-05-2008, 10:21 PM
possibly one of the most un-intentionally funny movies I've seen in a while.

It's shockingly bad........soooo sooo bad.

Yes. Those movies have a place and for certain occasions do work,

Hoss
06-05-2008, 10:22 PM
Don't feel bad.

I'm VERY big on movies, and I just watched the Godfather for the first time last week. :(


WHAT:explode

how the hell do you not catch that on TBS, citytv and every other channel that plays it almost weekly..

Fantastic film though isn't it. That is a movie that everytime it is on I have to watch it no matter what part I am at.

Also, I can understand the frustration with TWBB for some people. I absolutely loved it, but I love the direction of PT. I also think that there is so much to take from his movies that many scenes are so open to interpretation.

I actually loved Magnolia as well... Tom Cruises best role....

Respect the cock

Hoss
06-05-2008, 10:24 PM
Yes. Those movies have a place and for certain occasions do work,

Pooty Tang is so bad it's good...

I saw that in the theatre with some friends laughing our ass off, and we weren't even high.

Montana
06-05-2008, 10:29 PM
BTW, I saw "Rambo" the other day, I was shocked at how much I liked it. It's as good, if not better than any Rambo film, and Stallone does a much better job at ressurecting his 80's action icon than Spielberg/Lucas did with Indy 4.

The film is only 83 minutes, and flies by very fast. It's got non-stop action, and a pretty interesting if thin plot.

It's violent as all hell, but everyone expects that in a Rambo film, right?

A great action film. I highly recommend it.


On this recommendation, I watched a downloaded copy of this the other night, and I have to agree with Jack's review completely.

Was surprisingly good.......and the special effects/violence, was extrememely well done, and made much more "real" than any action movie I've seen in years. (not that I really watch many "action movies")

Anyways, good call Jack.......thoroughly entertaining 84 minutes.


:thumbsup(22):

BeLeafer
06-05-2008, 10:30 PM
I agree, TWBB was a fantastic film. I need to watch it again, which I don't say about too many movies. I found it very Kubrick inspired in many ways ... especially the use of the music. A chilling look at just how utterly cruel and slimy humans can be - which I liked greatly despite the fact that I believe very strongly that humans are capable of so much more than we see today, so much more.

Montana
06-05-2008, 10:32 PM
I absolutely loved it, but I love the direction of PT. I also think that there is so much to take from his movies that many scenes are so open to interpretation.


Agree completely.......I find many people don't "get" his films. But between him and Wes Anderson, they're my two of my favorite filmakers right now.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 11:59 AM
I liked TWBB, but I do want to see it a second time. I'm a big fan of PT Anderson, but it didn't grab me on the first viewing quite like Magnolia (A masterpiece, imo) and Boogie Nights did.

I think it's rare that a film focuses on such a pure evil man that's so full of hatred for everything and everybody. So for that, it might turn some people off, but the acting by Danial Day-Lewis is truely amazing. A well deserved Oscar.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 12:00 PM
On this recommendation, I watched a downloaded copy of this the other night, and I have to agree with Jack's review completely.

Was surprisingly good.......and the special effects/violence, was extrememely well done, and made much more "real" than any action movie I've seen in years. (not that I really watch many "action movies")

Anyways, good call Jack.......thoroughly entertaining 84 minutes.


:thumbsup(22):

You would never know it's good from the critics, they just crapped on the film badly. It's maybe the most underrated film i've seen this year.

LeafHound69
06-06-2008, 12:01 PM
Was on the road and rented There Will Be Blood in the hotel.

Was asleep in 30 minutes.

I can appreciate all kinds of films, but for me, this flick was, literally, a snooze-fest.

I recall a lot of Daniel Day Lewis looking hard-bitten and squinting through his dialogue, but there was nothing there that engaged me enough to hold my interest.

Maybe I have undiagnosed ADD?

Artnes
06-06-2008, 12:07 PM
On this recommendation, I watched a downloaded copy of this the other night, and I have to agree with Jack's review completely.

Was surprisingly good.......and the special effects/violence, was extrememely well done, and made much more "real" than any action movie I've seen in years. (not that I really watch many "action movies")

Anyways, good call Jack.......thoroughly entertaining 84 minutes.


:thumbsup(22):

Still haven't seen it yet but I am expecting it to be a gooder considering the reviews from everyone here.

I've even seen a few people say it's the best one of the whole series but I find it hard to believe it would be better then First Blood

AskewView
06-06-2008, 12:12 PM
Heh, watch First Blood and then immediatly the new Rambo movie. His head is twice as large.

Stallone has been hanging out with Barry I'd say.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 12:17 PM
Heh, watch First Blood and then immediatly the new Rambo movie. His head is twice as large.

Stallone has been hanging out with Barry I'd say.

Stallone was caught with human growth hormone just last year trying to get into Australia.

Artnes
06-06-2008, 12:19 PM
There is no hiding he is on something.

The man is well up there in age and still in amazing shape.

Sadly, another one they'll find dead of heart failure sooner then later

AskewView
06-06-2008, 12:19 PM
http://www.forumice.com/archive/index.php/t-7521.html

I'm aware. He was promoting Rocky Balboa at the time.

mbow30
06-06-2008, 12:51 PM
Lucas I think has honestly gone a bit crazy in his old age. It seems like he's secluded himself on his ranch, and is utterly convinced that actors and sets are just an inconvenience to moves, and he can do it all better on a computer. He's also convinced himself that a movie needs cutie & slapstick kiddie moments to be "fun".

It's hard to believe that he can't realize that his spaceships actually looked more realistic in 1977 than they did in 2007.


to be fair, i think a lot of people forgot how unrealistic aspects of the first three indiana jones films were (especially temple of doom, although that is also largely considered the worst of the three). but complaints that he monkeys and boat scenes were unrealistic were over the top because that sort of stuff was in all three of the movies.

if you recall, there was the inflatable boat out of the airplane in temple of doom, in the last crusade they met a 700 year old knight, etc. etc.

granted, i thought the aliens thing was a bit silly--that was apparently all lucas, much to the chagrin of spielberg--but then again, the first three all had similar fantastical themes. the only difference was the undertones were religious in nature, not extra terrestrial, which for some reason people find more believable (although i would argue it made for more touching and compelling movies).


as for the appearance of the ufo and aliens in crystal skulls, they were meant to look silly and campy. i have a feeling that was spielberg's doing to pay hommage to the sci fi flicks of the 40s and 50s (just like the first three indy films were archetypically and characteristically similar to early action films).

i think indy 4 got caught up in the aura of the first three, which people hold in such reverence but i think lost sight of how silly they all were. indiana jones was/is a superhero, and to that end i thougth it was a good movie. it didn't stand up to raiders or the last crusade, but then, not a lot of movies do. but i went wanting to see a campy over the top superhero/action flick and to that ends i was quite satisifed.

mbow30
06-06-2008, 12:51 PM
zeke, didnt' mean to quote your post there, must have clikced the wrong one...

perfectstormhits
06-06-2008, 01:27 PM
I'll be taking my 5 year old to Kung Foo Panda tomorrow.

Hoss
06-06-2008, 02:11 PM
yeah, my five year old daughter will love that.....

I find some of these animation movies are getting sooooo bad now a days. I hated the shrek movies... Cars was ridicuously stupid and bad... I look forward to Wall E.

Good ones... Nemo, Toy Story, Monsters Inc. The incredibles was a close call. Hated it the first time, like it alot better now

Horrible. The Wild, Over the Hedge, Cars, the Bee Movie, Madagascar.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 02:11 PM
to be fair, i think a lot of people forgot how unrealistic aspects of the first three indiana jones films were (especially temple of doom, although that is also largely considered the worst of the three). but complaints that he monkeys and boat scenes were unrealistic were over the top because that sort of stuff was in all three of the movies.

if you recall, there was the inflatable boat out of the airplane in temple of doom, in the last crusade they met a 700 year old knight, etc. etc.

granted, i thought the aliens thing was a bit silly--that was apparently all lucas, much to the chagrin of spielberg--but then again, the first three all had similar fantastical themes. the only difference was the undertones were religious in nature, not extra terrestrial, which for some reason people find more believable (although i would argue it made for more touching and compelling movies).


as for the appearance of the ufo and aliens in crystal skulls, they were meant to look silly and campy. i have a feeling that was spielberg's doing to pay hommage to the sci fi flicks of the 40s and 50s (just like the first three indy films were archetypically and characteristically similar to early action films).

i think indy 4 got caught up in the aura of the first three, which people hold in such reverence but i think lost sight of how silly they all were. indiana jones was/is a superhero, and to that end i thougth it was a good movie. it didn't stand up to raiders or the last crusade, but then, not a lot of movies do. but i went wanting to see a campy over the top superhero/action flick and to that ends i was quite satisifed.


I'll argue that simply NOTHING in the first 3 movies compares to the ridiculous fridge scene, or the Tarzan and waterfall scenes in Crystal Skull.

The raft scene was unbelievable in Temple of Doom, but it did at least fit into the theme of the film, about how the gods made Indy fall from the sky to help them.


All Indy films are fantasy and over-the-top, but some of the crap in the latest film belongs in a loony-toons cartoon.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 02:16 PM
I'll be interested to see how "Wall-E" does. I've read it only has 17 lines of dialogue, and is very long for an animated film. It sounds far different from any animated i've seen in a long time.

JaysCyYoung
06-06-2008, 02:22 PM
You would never know it's good from the critics, they just crapped on the film badly. It's maybe the most underrated film i've seen this year.

Let's be honest here: it was an awesome mindless action film with a lot of gruesome death scenes, but that's all it was. Calling a Rambo film underrated somehow rings hollow in my mind. He kills close to 300 people while remaining impervious to all attempts to hurt him, aside from the usual strategically placed non-lethal shoulder/arm wounds he always gets.

Tremendous action sequences? Yes. Gore and gratuitous violence aplomb? Yes. However, Stallone has the acting range of a Neanderthal skeleton encased in carbonite. I know that's not the point of the Ramo films but the latest installment of the Rocky series is a far superior creation in my opinion.

Edit: wonderful response to mbow's post, Jack. I'm about the biggest Indy fan there is and there was still a semblance of believeability and realism within the first three. Albeit, the second admittedly got a tad too fantastical, but it still maintained that element of realism. The films are meant to tow the line between the fantastic and unbelieveable, and the possible, but this film strayed far too over into the other realm. I also felt that so many of the scenes involving CGI were unnecessary. Lucas really needs to be stopped before he causes harm to others as well.

AskewView
06-06-2008, 02:23 PM
Spoiler below about Indy 4, read at own risk.........................
















The whole fridge scene could of easily been plausible. He jumps in the lead lined fridge, bomb goes off, it gets knocked to the other end of the house. He gets out and then there's the next scene of him being decontaminated at the base.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 02:27 PM
Let's be honest here: it was an awesome mindless action film with a lot of gruesome death scenes, but that's all it was. Calling a Rambo film underrated somehow rings hollow in my mind. He kills close to 300 people while remaining impervious to all attempts to hurt him, aside from the usual strategically placed non-lethal shoulder/arm wounds he always gets.

Tremendous action sequences? Yes. Gore and gratuitous violence aplomb? Yes. However, Stallone has the acting range of a Neanderthal skeleton encased in carbonite. I know that's not the point of the Ramo films but the latest installment of the Rocky series is a far superior creation in my opinion.


What I meant was, the latest Rambo film is only 33% positive on Rotten-tomates, which is very low. Imo, it deserved more.

I wasn't as big a fan of Rocky Balboa as most, as I find it rather melodramatic and the acting bothered me much more in it than in Rambo, simply because it's much more of a character drama, and the acting is seen much more, and is a bigger part of the movie.

There's nothing wrong with an action film if it's done right. And imo, Stallone made a film very worthy of the franchise. My one complaint is let your damn grey hair show! Rambo lives in the jungle, he doesn't have access to hair dye.

SundinsTooth
06-06-2008, 02:27 PM
Was on the road and rented There Will Be Blood in the hotel.

Was asleep in 30 minutes.

I can appreciate all kinds of films, but for me, this flick was, literally, a snooze-fest.

I recall a lot of Daniel Day Lewis looking hard-bitten and squinting through his dialogue, but there was nothing there that engaged me enough to hold my interest.

Maybe I have undiagnosed ADD?

I can see that reaction, but for me this was my favourite movie of the year. Its gonna be even better on blu-ray!

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 02:28 PM
Spoiler below about Indy 4, read at own risk.........................
















The whole fridge scene could of easily been plausible. He jumps in the lead lined fridge, bomb goes off, it gets knocked to the other end of the house. He gets out and then there's the next scene of him being decontaminated at the base.

Did you see how high it was thrown? To me it wasn't easily explained at all. It was too silly, even in an Indy film.

AskewView
06-06-2008, 02:29 PM
I saw it, that's why I suggested it simply gets knocked across the room, not across the field.

zeke
06-06-2008, 02:47 PM
Saw Indy last night, and was pleasantly surprised. good flick.

as for the fridge scene - it was played for laughs. Obviously over the top - he came out of the fridge not only surviving it, but without even a scratch. it's supposed to be funny.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 02:50 PM
Saw Indy last night, and was pleasantly surprised. good flick.

as for the fridge scene - it was played for laughs. Obviously over the top - he came out of the fridge not only surviving it, but without even a scratch. it's supposed to be funny.

Yes it was played for laughs.

Were you ok seeing Shia turn into jungle boy with bad CGI monkeys?

mbow30
06-06-2008, 02:51 PM
not to mention the fact that the first thing he sees is the gopher from caddyshack.

AskewView
06-06-2008, 02:57 PM
Well, I just remembered something that explains everything over the top in the movie. Well.....a stupid fanboy rant/theory anyway.....

Indy drank from the cup of Christ. Dude is immortal. Should of had a flashback scene to that before the blast.

mbow30
06-06-2008, 02:57 PM
Well, I just remembered something that explains everything over the top in the movie. Well.....a stupid fanboy rant/theory anyway.....

Indy drank from the cup of Christ. Dude is immortal. Should of had a flashback scene to that before the blast.

that's a good point, and it's something they should have touched on.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 03:00 PM
Once Indy left the temple at the end of Last Crusade, he could no longer be immortal. You had to drink from it, and stay there, like that 700 year old knight did.

AskewView
06-06-2008, 03:01 PM
POINT OUT YOUR PLOT HOLES ELSEWHERE! lol

anyone else get that Simpsons reference?

Montana
06-06-2008, 04:14 PM
I'm actually stunned to see people sticking up for Indy 4.

Factinista
06-06-2008, 04:21 PM
I hate Shia LeBoof. Dude makes my blood boil. I can never enjoy a movie that he's in. And the hate began before he helped Michael Bay take a dump on my childhood in Transformers.

Artnes
06-06-2008, 04:29 PM
Tel the truth..you watch Even Stevens

LeafHound69
06-06-2008, 04:30 PM
I hate Shia LeBoof. Dude makes my blood boil. I can never enjoy a movie that he's in. And the hate began before he helped Michael Bay take a dump on my childhood in Transformers.

Was there some role that made you hate him, or..?

number17
06-06-2008, 04:40 PM
Just watched IJ4 last night and it was a disappointment.

Being an Indy fan all my life, IJ4 was clearly just a shadow of the former trilogy. Yes, the plot is weak, Ford is a little slower and the action doesn't keep you at the edge of the seat anymore, but it's not just that. The movie's lost its 'soul'. Indy just doesn't seem as passionate about archeology as much as he used to, and lost his sense of humor, and ... he's just an old man.

It's still a decent blockbuster on its own, but definitely a disappointment to any IJ fan.

Montana
06-06-2008, 05:05 PM
This line cracked me up.......


Indy just doesn't seem as passionate about archeology as much as he used to

bayrider
06-06-2008, 05:07 PM
Aliens, flying fridges, CGI monkeys and the gopher from Caddyshack? WTF kind of movie is this?

Artnes
06-06-2008, 05:09 PM
A Lucas losing touch with reality movie that's what

AskewView
06-06-2008, 05:10 PM
It's really the abandoned script/ideas for Lucas' Howard The Duck 2, Electric Bugaloo.

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 10:31 PM
Lucas lost it when he introduced the E-Woks in Return of The Jedi. It's been all downhill from there.

kyle16
06-06-2008, 10:48 PM
Aliens, flying fridges, CGI monkeys and the gopher from Caddyshack? WTF kind of movie is this?

But hey, those monkeys taught that guy how to swing through trees.

Really, the part that killed me the most about that movie is the aliens. All I could say was "what? why? I don't get it."

JackBurton
06-06-2008, 10:49 PM
But hey, those monkeys taught that guy how to swing through trees.

They taught him to swing fast enough to catch up with a Jeep going at top speed.

Habspatrol
06-06-2008, 10:50 PM
I hate Shia LeBoof. Dude makes my blood boil. I can never enjoy a movie that he's in. And the hate began before he helped Michael Bay take a dump on my childhood in Transformers.

Transformers was awesome!!! I'm wouldn't call myself a LaBeuf fan though.

kyle16
06-06-2008, 10:51 PM
They taught him to swing fast enough to catch up with a Jeep going at top speed.

That's mad skillz!

Montana
06-07-2008, 12:06 AM
They taught him to swing fast enough to catch up with a Jeep going at top speed.

Reminded me of something that Indy 4actually taught me.


Monkeys hate Russians.