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Leafin'
12-03-2014, 01:34 PM
Bring him to Toronto please.

Anyone that has a problem with his "antics" can go back to sitting by the front window of their house waiting for something to happen.

CTheBigPicture
12-03-2014, 02:06 PM
Guilty of being young, black and rich. You stop that Evander Kane!
Black? Are you saying I don't like to see an athlete acting this way because he is black?

Gotta be kidding me Deckie.

Deckie007
12-03-2014, 02:57 PM
Black? Are you saying I don't like to see an athlete acting this way because he is black?

Gotta be kidding me Deckie.

Not a shot at your personally. It's the old boys club media in this country that I hate. Discussion is already raging in another thread, so going to bow out so as to not derail this thread.

Metalleaf
12-16-2014, 02:44 PM
@mirtle: Multiple sources confirming players on those three KHL teams haven't been paid this season: "Roughly one-third of KHL has serious problems."

LeafGm
12-16-2014, 03:28 PM
If that's true, Kontiola probably should have just stayed in the AHL for the rest of the year.

Metalleaf
12-16-2014, 03:38 PM
@mirtle: Three KHL teams may fold due to monetary issues related to crashing ruble and Russian economy. Some coaches haven't been paid anything.

MindzEye
12-16-2014, 04:07 PM
It makes me wonder if the agents for Kovy, Radulov, etc were forward thinking enough to secure the contracts in the equivalent value in Euros and not in Rubles...

zeke
12-16-2014, 04:13 PM
#thanksobama

MyNameIsJonas
12-16-2014, 04:20 PM
I wish Bowman could convince MacT to give things for Crawford.

leafman101
12-16-2014, 04:21 PM
It makes me wonder if the agents for Kovy, Radulov, etc were forward thinking enough to secure the contracts in the equivalent value in Euros and not in Rubles...

It doesn't really matter if the teams don't have money pay them. Leafs should go after Kovy.

Metalleaf
12-16-2014, 04:21 PM
You that high on Darling/Raanta?

MyNameIsJonas
12-16-2014, 04:23 PM
You that high on Darling/Raanta?

yes

LeafGm
12-16-2014, 04:29 PM
Darling and Raanta are his new pretend favourite goalies.

MindzEye
12-16-2014, 04:30 PM
In fairness to Benedict Arnold, he's never been a big Corey Crawford fan and hates the contract dude is currently on.

Metalleaf
12-16-2014, 04:33 PM
It's prescient for me as I have all three in the current forum ice fantasy league, non keeper league version.

Metalleaf
12-16-2014, 05:06 PM
@BuffaloSabres: TRADE ALERT: The #Sabres have acquired forward Jerry D'Amigo from @BlueJacketsNHL in exchange for Luke Adam.

LeafOfFaith
12-16-2014, 05:13 PM
It doesn't really matter if the teams don't have money pay them. Leafs should go after Kovy.

Totally forgot that Kovy just up and left. So weird.

But anyway, wouldn't NJ have full rights to him if he wanted to return? Pretty sure they would.

Deckie007
12-16-2014, 05:21 PM
You that high on Darling/Raanta?

From the games I've seen Darling play, he's fairly athletic and positionally sound. An absolute monster at 6'6 as well. If the Hawks could find a taker for Crawford, they should trade him to free up that money for use elsewhere. Spending 6M on a league averge goalie is a waste.

JackBurton
12-17-2014, 12:50 AM
I remember when Luke Adam looked like a star for 1 week.

JackBurton
12-20-2014, 01:48 PM
http://www.thehockeynews.com/blog/forget-toronto-its-time-to-troll-boston-for-the-tyler-seguin-trade/

This is just odd to read. Interesting article other than the myth of Kessel being "Streaky" lives.

BKerr
12-20-2014, 02:48 PM
Kovy is their star and centrepiece. He will be paid even if they dont have enough to pay the whole team

GEEMAN
12-21-2014, 07:26 AM
From the games I've seen Darling play, he's fairly athletic and positionally sound. An absolute monster at 6'6 as well. If the Hawks could find a taker for Crawford, they should trade him to free up that money for use elsewhere. Spending 6M on a league averge goalie is a waste.

Crawford got a 2 million dollar gift for winning the cup , just like Cane and Toews . Their is a premium for success .

Habsy
12-21-2014, 09:51 AM
Cane?

MyNameIsJonas
12-21-2014, 09:56 AM
Cane?

yeah, i couldn't be bothered.

Metalleaf
12-21-2014, 12:39 PM
Candy Canes guys, cmon get into the spirit!!

CTheBigPicture
12-27-2014, 11:35 AM
Lou under pressure?

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2014/12/its_time_for_the_devils_to_thank_lou_lamoriello_an d_show_him_the_door.html
It's time for the Devils to thank Lou Lamoriello and show him the door


"Lou Lamoriello should not be fired as Devils general manager because of his age, as some have suggested. But he should be shown the door by ownership along with coach Pete DeBoer."

"The blame should be directed at Lamoriello, who has made a series of bad decisions signing free agents, at the draft table and handling the organization’s few top prospects. He has also held back a progressive new ownership group that looks to create more revenue and bring the Devils into the 21st century when it comes to promoting and marketing the team."

Hoss
12-27-2014, 12:31 PM
yeah he's losing his touch, and his favours in the nhl need to be stopped. He is the purest definition of the old guard... he is Vito Corleone, and there is no Micheal in site.

JackBurton
12-27-2014, 12:42 PM
Lou is firing too many coaches.

MindzEye
12-27-2014, 01:10 PM
Lou is firing too many coaches.

Meh, if anything he has proven over and over again how replaceable most coaches are. NHL teams tend to have far too much patience with average to shitty coaches.

CTheBigPicture
12-28-2014, 07:32 AM
The Oilers are going to get McDavid aren't they?

LeafGm
12-28-2014, 08:21 AM
The Oilers are going to get McDavid aren't they?
I kind of hope they do.

Even with McDavid, they'll still manage to be a complete shit-show with Lowe in charge, and McDavid will probably jump ship at the first opportunity.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 08:56 AM
Hopefully McDavid "Lindros's" them.

leafman101
12-28-2014, 09:08 AM
Well they finally picked the right year to tank at least. Not just McDavid, Eichel too. He's been crazy impressive in what I've seen so far at the WJ.

See tanking does work, you just have to suck for 10 years until there is a franchise changing player or two at the top of the draft. Fool proof.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 09:29 AM
10% of the time, it works every time.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 12:16 PM
Adrian Dater:
• O'Reilly being offered around the league for a good d-man. Florida and Winnipeg. Pondering, Toronto and Montreal too.
• People might publicly deny it, but O'Reilly is definitely in play again on the market.

LeafGm
12-28-2014, 12:34 PM
Not sure I'd be interested there. $6M is a bit too big of a cap hit for what he offers, unless you think what he did last year will be the norm for him. You'd also have to think that the defenseman they'd want from us would be Gardiner or Franson.

MyNameIsJonas
12-28-2014, 12:39 PM
Gardiner for O'Reilly makes alot of sense on the surface.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 01:11 PM
Not sure I'd be interested there. $6M is a bit too big of a cap hit for what he offers, unless you think what he did last year will be the norm for him.

I think you'll see him be between 55-65 points almost every year, he's a major possession driver (not far off of Kadri's ability there), legitimate plus 2 way centreman.


You'd also have to think that the defenseman they'd want from us would be Gardiner or Franson.

Gotta imagine it would be Gardiner, can't see impending UFA Franson drawing that type of return. Frankly, I'm starting to get concerned with Gardiner "getting it" at any point in his career. Starting to look like a classic case of "no toolbox". Those guys figure it out sometimes and make you look really silly, but it's not like we'd be selling for pennies on the dollar in a deal for O'Reilly.

If Colorado was cool with Gardiner as the centrepiece, I think we should be all over that, live with the unbalanced lineup for the year (would have to move Holland to the wing or something) and trade Bozak in the off season (coming off of a career offensive performance on a cheap contract for a guy with back to back 65+ point paces)

Lupul-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-O'Reilly-Nylander
Leo-Holland-XXXXX
XXXX-XXXXX-Clarkson

Phaneuf-Rielly
XXXXX-Polak
XXXXX-Robidas

going into next year. Way tougher up the middle, without any sort of appreciable drop of offensive talent. Fill in those X's with the usual type of quality NHL cast aways that come cheap every year (Winnik, Santo, Booth, etc) and we're improved over this year's group for the same money. Bozie goes for a defender to fill that 2nd pairing XXXXX spot. Fill in the rest in house, we have kids who are really, really close to ready for it.

Blueman
12-28-2014, 01:34 PM
Aside from possession, what does he do to improve the leafs over what Bozak is delivering? I don't think it's worth giving up Gardiner for him.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 01:43 PM
Aside from possession, what does he do to improve the leafs over what Bozak is delivering?

He's a massive possession and defensive upgrade, while providing similar offence (without Kessel holding his hand to do it).


I don't think it's worth giving up Gardiner for him.

I'm not sure what Gardiner has done in the last 2 seasons to justify this stance.

Blueman
12-28-2014, 01:44 PM
I'm not sure why you want to give up on Gardiner so quickly

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 01:50 PM
I'm not sure why you want to give up on Gardiner so quickly

Why would trading him for a 65 point, high end 2 way centreman with excellent possession skills constitute "giving up" on Gardiner?

If anything, it's "giving up" on Bozak, not Gardiner.

LeafGm
12-28-2014, 01:53 PM
I'm not sure why you want to give up on Gardiner so quickly
Under the salary cap, you don't have the luxury of waiting around forever for a player anymore, unfortunately. As much as I'd like to hang on to Gardiner to see if he can become more than Bret Hedican 2.0, Nazem Kadri, Jonathan Bernier and Cody Franson all don't have contracts beyond this season. The salary cap's also only going up by a couple million dollars, and all of them are going to command hefty raises.

If you want to keep either or both of Mike Santorelli and Daniel Winnik, they're going to need new contracts as well, and they're likely also going to want to get raises. So, someone making decent coin, or a few of those pending FA's are going to have to go. Who do you choose?

All of this is also why I still wouldn't be too keen on eating up $6M in cap space on a secondary center.

Habspatrol
12-28-2014, 01:53 PM
Giving up would be trading him for a 3rd line player. Trading him for a bona fide 2 way centre who can play in the top 6.... hardly seems like giving up on him.

Blueman
12-28-2014, 01:59 PM
Giving up would be trading him for a 3rd line player. Trading him for a bona fide 2 way centre who can play in the top 6.... hardly seems like giving up on him.

We already have 2 centers that are not going anywhere. I don't see him slotting in ahead of Kadri or Bozak, so 6 mil for a 3rd line center is putrid. Seems like a sideways move to me at the cost of Gardiner. I wouldn't give him like that.

If you are going to trade Gardiner, it should be for an area of need. Like moving Gardiner Plus Kadri or Bozak for a better C.

Habspatrol
12-28-2014, 02:02 PM
You think Bozak is better thanRoR?

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 02:05 PM
If you traded for O'Reilly, it would be with the intent of him replacing Bozak. Which would be a good thing, a very, very good thing.

Hoss
12-28-2014, 02:08 PM
I think moving Bozak away from Kessel would help defensively.... therefore moving Holland to the fourth line, and getting Bozak on the third wouldn't be too bad.

Bozak's faceoff numbers would help the third line, as long as he's surrounded by bigger wingers who can help.

Hockey Buzz is once again saying we are interested in Mike Richards. The only way I would take that contract for that player would be for Clarkson. I would totally take Richards experience in the playoffs and diminishing play over the stupidity of Clarkson any day.

LeafGm
12-28-2014, 02:18 PM
The Leafs aren't interested in Mike Richards. Nobody is interested in Mike Richards.

The Kings ****ed up royally by not using their last compliance buyout on him this summer. Now they're stuck with him.

Leafin'
12-28-2014, 02:19 PM
Usually is the case how we look to move a guy when his value is low, but want to keep him when his value is high.

Gardiner has sucked ass this season. I'm not sure how much value he has, but if we can get O'Rielly you do it.

LeafGm
12-28-2014, 02:20 PM
If you traded for O'Reilly, it would be with the intent of him replacing Bozak. Which would be a good thing, a very, very good thing.
I'd still like to see Bozak on a line without Kessel, with a coach that isn't Randy Carlyle before I'd give up on him. Unless it's for a significant upgrade at center, which I just don't think Ryan O'Reilly is.

Leafin'
12-28-2014, 02:30 PM
If we are moving Gardiner, i'd hope we get a vet defenseman to push for a playoff spot. Doesn't have to be the return for Gardiner, but a replacement.

Phaneuf - Franson
XXXX - Polak
Reilly - Robidas

Unless Reilly channels his inner Drew Doughty, i'm not sure how we can count on rookies to get us to the playoffs.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 02:30 PM
I'd still like to see Bozak on a line without Kessel, with a coach that isn't Randy Carlyle before I'd give up on him. Unless it's for a significant upgrade at center, which I just don't think Ryan O'Reilly is.

I don't think we'd be "giving up on him" with him coming off of a 60+ point season. We'd probably get a hell of a return considering 1) He has a friendly contract in comparison to his offensive numbers 2) He's a centre with a high faceoff % and it's over inflated value add 3) I don't think the entire league fully subscribes to analytics yet, so his truly shitty possession probably isn't overly scrutinized around the league yet.

It would be a textbook definition of selling him

LeafGm
12-28-2014, 03:02 PM
I don't think we'd be "giving up on him" with him coming off of a 60+ point season. We'd probably get a hell of a return considering 1) He has a friendly contract in comparison to his offensive numbers 2) He's a centre with a high faceoff % and it's over inflated value add 3) I don't think the entire league fully subscribes to analytics yet, so his truly shitty possession probably isn't overly scrutinized around the league yet.

It would be a textbook definition of selling him
I'd still take a pass. Even if he's an improvement as far as analytics is concerned, it's not enough for me to justify the offensive drop-off, and cap hit that'll be at least $2M per season higher for the duration of Bozak's deal.

I'd rather wait for a better center to hit the market, keep Bozak, or see what Slick Willie can do next season.

Leafin'
12-28-2014, 03:21 PM
6 million is a hefty pricetag for where he is right now, he sure looked to be on pace to live up to the contract until recently. He's turning 24 in a month so atleast we'd be doing youth for youth.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 03:25 PM
I'd still take a pass. Even if he's an improvement as far as analytics is concerned, it's not enough for me to justify the offensive drop-off, and cap hit that'll be at least $2M per season higher for the duration of Bozak's deal.

What offensive drop off? O'Reilly had 64 points last season. Let's see Bozak produce as a legit 1st liner without Kessel holding his hand over an extended period before we go ahead attributing his .8ppg production to his skills and abilities.


I'd rather wait for a better center to hit the market, keep Bozak, or see what Slick Willie can do next season.

When was the last time a better centre hit the market? As for Nylander, I don't know if having a 19 yr old as a top 6 centre is a great idea if the plan is the playoffs.

LeafGm
12-28-2014, 03:43 PM
What offensive drop off? O'Reilly had 64 points last season. Let's see Bozak produce as a legit 1st liner without Kessel holding his hand over an extended period before we go ahead attributing his .8ppg production to his skills and abilities.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ryan O'Reilly spend most of last season on Matt Duchene's wing? Duchene's not Phil Kessel, but I'd say he's a legit first liner too. And now that he's off Duchene's wing and back centering his own line, he hasn't even gotten back up to the 50-55 point pace he'd scored at prior to his career year.


When was the last time a better centre hit the market?
Seguin, I guess? Not that he was available to us. But even if good centers rarely hit the market, you still don't jump at a bad fit.


As for Nylander, I don't know if having a 19 yr old as a top 6 centre is a great idea if the plan is the playoffs
I don't envision Nylander jumping right into a top-6 role for us. I don't even know if they'll start him at center. I was just pointing out that we do also still have that potential improvement coming from within, hopefully in the near future.

Leafin'
12-28-2014, 04:00 PM
O'Rielly may not have the same cache as Seguin, but he's a pretty good player. If we can get him for Gardiner i don't see how we don't do it.

Leafin'
12-28-2014, 04:01 PM
THan again, the second the leafs acquire him he'll immediately be known as the most over rated player in hockey and no more than a 2nd line player.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 04:17 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ryan O'Reilly spend most of last season on Matt Duchene's wing?

Yes


Duchene's not Phil Kessel,

No he's not, but that's not going to stop you from making the stealth comparison


but I'd say he's a legit first liner too

Sure


And now that he's off Duchene's wing and back centering his own line, he hasn't even gotten back up to the 50-55 point pace he'd scored at prior to his career year.

You know, you should probably check to see how Duchene is doing this year before making this argument.




Seguin, I guess? Not that he was available to us. But even if good centers rarely hit the market, you still don't jump at a bad fit.

I fail to see how O'Reilly would be a bad fit. He's basically Tyler Bozak offensively (though doing it at a younger age), and a legitimately plus defensive/possession centre, which Bozak absolutely isn't.



I don't envision Nylander jumping right into a top-6 role for us. I don't even know if they'll start him at center. I was just pointing out that we do also still have that potential improvement coming from within, hopefully in the near future.

We have an open spot on 2nd line RW next season that Willy would slot into just fine. There's no reason to forecast that at this point and make, or not make moves based on it.

MindzEye
12-28-2014, 04:20 PM
O'Rielly may not have the same cache as Seguin, but he's a pretty good player. If we can get him for Gardiner i don't see how we don't do it.

Well, that's just it. Same age as Gardiner, only 2 million more expensive, but a huge upgrade in quality of play. If Colorado was silly enough to make the move, there's no excuse to not jump on it.

CaptainBolduke
12-28-2014, 04:58 PM
Imagine if someone like Gardiner was able to land someone like ROR?

number17
12-28-2014, 05:32 PM
I remember most of the rumours around ROR was related to Kadri, not Bozak.

And if we can land ROR with Gardiner, you do it in a heartbeat ... i just don't see why Colorado would do it.

JohnnyHolmes
12-29-2014, 02:20 AM
Kadri, Gardiner and a 1st.

MindzEye
12-29-2014, 08:07 AM
Don't ever change

leafman101
12-29-2014, 08:55 AM
If you put o'rielly on bozak/kessels wing and give him the down low defensive responsibilities that line is immediately a whole lot better.

He's like steen. The leafs need skilled players that play like that.

But yeah, I'm not sure Gardiner gets it done. Maybe Franson if he's willing to sign there.

JackBurton
12-29-2014, 09:21 AM
ROR has that bullshit "Two-Way" forward thing going for him. I think he's overrated.

MindzEye
12-29-2014, 09:56 AM
ROR has that bullshit "Two-Way" forward thing going for him. I think he's overrated.

A lot of the time, it's bullshit. See; Bolland, David. Some of the times though, it's really not. Toews, Bergeron, etc, etc. O'Reilly isn't on their level, but he's legitimately good defensively, a legitimate possession driver, and has quality offensive skills to go with it.

He's not a #1 centre, but he's an excellent #2. He and Kadri would be an awesome 1-2 for the next 10 years or so.

leafman101
12-29-2014, 10:46 AM
Playing without the puck isn't overrated. It is just as important, and arguably more important than playing with the puck. Personally, I would argue the game is won and lost in the neutral zone.

The Leafs are one of the top teams in the league with the puck and look where that gets them without the other half of the game. The best possession teams in the league only have the puck 55-60% of the time. That is way too much time playing without it for it not to matter.

You want players like O'Rielly that compete hard for ice and the puck in all 3 zones.

Leafin'
12-29-2014, 03:06 PM
Magnus Paajarvi on waivers today.

Maybe a decent waiver pickup ala Richard Panik. He's better than Ashton i'd think.

blacksheep
12-29-2014, 10:13 PM
Oilers claimed Matt Fraser, and landed Derek Roy in trade.
I can't see those two minor changes meaning much, but at this point, what do they have to lose?

Matrim
12-30-2014, 12:28 AM
Oilers claimed Matt Fraser, and landed Derek Roy in trade.
I can't see those two minor changes meaning much, but at this point, what do they have to lose?

What I don't understand was that Roy was on waivers, why give up anything for him?

MyNameIsJonas
12-30-2014, 12:30 AM
What I don't understand was that Roy was on waivers, why give up anything for him?

$$

oscarheyman
12-30-2014, 10:30 AM
What I don't understand was that Roy was on waivers, why give up anything for him?

Don't think you can claim more than one player off of waivers in a 24 hour period (had already claimed Fraser). As for trading for him.....not sure actually at this point in Roy's career he's better than the guy they gave up.

Hoss
12-30-2014, 11:54 AM
Still some reports of the leafs interested in Yandle.

Nonis' name has been associated with Yandle for a while, and I am 100% in favour of doing something to this defense core. Yandle is more of the same, but I think even Weber would look like crap with this team.

Leafin'
12-30-2014, 02:38 PM
Yandle>>>> Gardiner

Now and forever it seems.

Hoss
12-30-2014, 03:56 PM
Absolutely, but isn't Yandle's cap hit a bit up there, and yes moving Gardiners' cap is fine, but there would have to be more going. Plus I think Phoenix/Ari wants to save some money probably.

Leafin'
12-30-2014, 04:50 PM
Its a 1.2 million dollar difference in caphit. We could probably ship them Booth to round out the numbers.

Gardiner has a long term deal, which may work for them.

blacksheep
12-31-2014, 06:53 AM
Still some reports of the leafs interested in Yandle.

Nonis' name has been associated with Yandle for a while, and I am 100% in favour of doing something to this defense core. Yandle is more of the same, but I think even Weber would look like crap with this team.

Exchanging the likes of Gardiner for Yandle won't help this defensive core, as long as it's leaders are the same. As long as Carlyle is still the bench boss, swapping a few defenders around isn't going to mean jack shit. Even trying to add an elite defender better than Double Dion is going to be next to impossible, and won't mean much with Carlyle still here. Moving the "C" off of Phaneuf's jersey could possibly be of more help, IMO. But the bottom line is this team does not play defensively as a whole. That's not the fault of our core of defenders, so any shuffle of those isn't going to matter.
We need a better coach to make the guys we have more effective. Then, perhaps a minor or major shuffle would matter.

CaptainBolduke
12-31-2014, 12:01 PM
Keep the young guys and build through the draft.

Swapping Gardiner for Yandle won't make the Leafs a cup contender.

hockeylover
12-31-2014, 04:18 PM
Rielly and Nylander are both going to be studs, IMO.

We're probably going to end up with one more pick of that calibre again this year.

Habsy
12-31-2014, 06:22 PM
I'm not concerned, Carlyle will ruin them.

hockeylover
12-31-2014, 06:42 PM
I'm not concerned, Carlyle will ruin them.

Carlyle? Nylander? I don't like Carlyle much but I'm not sure he can pull off ruining a player he'll never coach.

Habsy
12-31-2014, 08:08 PM
He's Teflon.

hockeylover
12-31-2014, 08:11 PM
You don't actually think he'll be here next season, do you?

JackBurton
12-31-2014, 10:18 PM
Holy ****, that Nick Foligno contract by Columbus is horrible.

Deckie007
12-31-2014, 10:58 PM
You are mistaken. Dude is one of the better PF in the league. 5.5M caphit isn't bad at all.

GGpX
01-01-2015, 12:17 AM
You are mistaken. Dude is one of the better PF in the league. 5.5M caphit isn't bad at all.

$5.5M is good for a guy who's 27, that never scored 20 (until probably this season) and never got more than 47 points in one season (his only season he got over 40 points)?

Huh?

If every year was like this year, on pace for slightly under 40 goals & ~75 or so points, then yeah, $5.5M would be great. But he's not and good for him, he just hit the lottery.

That's a terrible deal for Columbus and it instantly becomes one of the worst deals in the NHL.

Deckie007
01-01-2015, 12:36 AM
$5.5M is good for a guy who's 27, that never scored 20 (until probably this season) and never got more than 47 points in one season (his only season he got over 40 points)?

Huh?

If every year was like this year, on pace for slightly under 40 goals & ~75 or so points, then yeah, $5.5M would be great. But he's not and good for him, he just hit the lottery.

That's a terrible deal for Columbus and it instantly becomes one of the worst deals in the NHL.


He's one of their best possesion players. He can skate. He kills penalties. He scores goals. He hits people. He's sound defensively. He won't score 40 every year, but playing with Ryan Johansen, he'll get his. He's basically what the Leafs needed Clarkson to be, and much more. I don't love the term, but the cap hit is fine.

MyNameIsJonas
01-01-2015, 12:51 AM
I dig the Foligno deal.

JackBurton
01-01-2015, 04:38 AM
You are mistaken. Dude is one of the better PF in the league. 5.5M caphit isn't bad at all.

In a UFA year, for half a season he has been.

JohnnyHolmes
01-01-2015, 04:53 AM
Foligno is a third liner.

Killer93
01-02-2015, 12:02 PM
Oils trade Perron to Pens for 2015 1st rounder

LeafGm
01-02-2015, 12:03 PM
Oilers trade David Perron to Pittsburgh for the Pens' 2015 first round pick.

Re-build 3.0? Or 4.0?

mbow30
01-02-2015, 12:10 PM
Perron is signed for another season at a very reasonable cap hit ($3.8m). Boyd Gordon's hit is $3. The Oilers signed Benoit Pouliot for 5 years at a hit of $4 per season. Nick Foligno, a comparable (and probably inferior) player to Perron just signed for $5.5 per on a multi year deal.

The Oilers just traded Perron for a pick in the 25-30 range. Stupidity knows no bounds.

Cojo
01-02-2015, 12:10 PM
They are compiling assets to make sure they secure McDavid

Killer93
01-02-2015, 12:14 PM
Perron is the winner here; goes from Oilers to playing with Crosby or Malkin

LeafOfFaith
01-02-2015, 12:19 PM
Perron is signed for another season at a very reasonable cap hit ($3.8m). Boyd Gordon's hit is $3. The Oilers signed Benoit Pouliot for 5 years at a hit of $4 per season. Nick Foligno, a comparable (and probably inferior) player to Perron just signed for $5.5 per on a multi year deal.

The Oilers just traded Perron for a pick in the 25-30 range. Stupidity knows no bounds.

What's wrong with that?

He's underperforming badly for them, only has one year left and will undoubtedly bolt, and they're not winning shit in the next couple of years.

I think it's a great move for them, and for Pittsburgh since he will undoubtedly catch fire now and gives them an element they were missing anyway.

mbow30
01-02-2015, 12:24 PM
Underperforming badly? He scored 28 goals last year.

A late first round pick is a garbage haul. They could have gotten that at the deadline in 2016 - Buffalo got a first round pick for Paul freakin Gaustad.

leafman101
01-02-2015, 12:30 PM
Its a trade for the sake of making a trade.

MindzEye
01-02-2015, 12:32 PM
Perron is signed for another season at a very reasonable cap hit ($3.8m). Boyd Gordon's hit is $3. The Oilers signed Benoit Pouliot for 5 years at a hit of $4 per season. Nick Foligno, a comparable (and probably inferior) player to Perron just signed for $5.5 per on a multi year deal.

The Oilers just traded Perron for a pick in the 25-30 range. Stupidity knows no bounds.

+1

Edmonton "asset management" at it's finest. Turn a 10th overall pick into a 26-30th overall pick in 3 easy steps.


1) Make poor draft selection
2) Somehow pawn off poor draft selection on another club for a good hockey player
3) Trade good, cost effective hockey player for late 1st round lottery ticket

and of course, the bonus round:

4) ?????????
5) Profit

mbow30
01-02-2015, 12:37 PM
+1

Edmonton "asset management" at it's finest. Turn a 10th overall pick into a 26-30th overall pick in 3 easy steps.


1) Make poor draft selection
2) Somehow pawn off poor draft selection on another club for a good hockey player
3) Trade good, cost effective hockey player for late 1st round lottery ticket

and of course, the bonus round:

4) ?????????
5) Profit

There needed to be more to it than just a late first. That should have just been the starting point.

In any event they just did a huge solid for Perron. Assuming he clicks with one of the Penguins centres (like the very similar Neal did) some gaudy stats should lead to a healthy contract in the summer of 2016.

Of course, that is all besides a very important other point - David Perron, who has proven himself to be a capable scorer and two way player, has played for successful teams and has some playoff experience, would have been a pretty good linemate to pair with the rookie McDavid or Eichel (assuming they even end up with one of them). Much better than gunslingers like Hall or Eberle or Yakupov...

mbow30
01-02-2015, 12:43 PM
Its a trade for the sake of making a trade.

Yup.

MyNameIsJonas
01-02-2015, 12:59 PM
I can't believe there weren't teams with mid range 1's willing to move them for Perron

LeafOfFaith
01-02-2015, 01:20 PM
Mid-range teams may miss the playoffs, with or without Perron. It's a steep gamble to trade what may at the end of the day be a top 10 pick in a strong draft for a 26 year old with 19 points (even if he scored 28 goals last year).

And Perron's value to the Oil diminishes if they let this year pass without trading him because then they're trading an impending UFA.

They decided to dump him this year and we have to assume that they took the highest first they could get, which was Pittsburgh's.

I'm not sure they could have done any better on the return, so I don't see why this would be a bad move for them. If they hold onto him, he could get hurt or go cold for ten games, or whatever, and lose even this offer. Plus, they save themselves some money in another disastrous season where the playoffs are out of the question.

BG
01-02-2015, 01:21 PM
+1

Edmonton "asset management" at it's finest. Turn a 10th overall pick into a 26-30th overall pick in 3 easy steps.


1) Make poor draft selection
2) Somehow pawn off poor draft selection on another club for a good hockey player
3) Trade good, cost effective hockey player for late 1st round lottery ticket

and of course, the bonus round:

4) ?????????
5) Profit

2) package a previous top 10 pick, with a 2nd rounder in 2014 (#33 overall, St. Louis selected Ivan Barbashev)

LeafOfFaith
01-02-2015, 01:22 PM
And let's also keep in mind that Pittsburgh has been decimated with injuries and really needs another strong body in the top 6.

If they were healthy, maybe even they wouldn't give up their first.

CaptainBolduke
01-02-2015, 01:42 PM
I can't believe there weren't teams with mid range 1's willing to move them for Perron

Really? In 7 plus years he's put up more than 50 points twice.

mbow30
01-02-2015, 03:15 PM
he's 26 years old, locked up for another year, $1.5m below market value and coming off of a 28 goal 57 point season.

dude's worth more than a 25-30 pick. going back to 2008 the GP leaders (and, frankly, best players) taken in that range are John Carlsson, Tler Ennis and Charlie Coyle.

Your odds of drafting a regular nhl'er in those slots are pretty low. The odds of drafting a two way, top six forward are even smaller.

Perron isn't a star by any means but he brings really good value, has a cap hit that just about any team could accommodate and is a solid two way player. There was no reason to rush this deal. In fact, it's almost a certainty that in an absolute worst case scenario the same or a similar deal would still be on the table at this year's trade deadline - and next year's.

It's poor asset management. They had a serviceable player on a good contract, and were blinded by the thought of having another first round pick. They would have been much wiser to hold out for more, whether a package involving that first, or to use Perron to address one of hte team's many, many needs. Another 18 year old who is probably 3-4 years from being in discussions to make the roster, and who most likely will never contribute to the team outside of a minor role is not exactly addressing a need.

Deckie007
01-02-2015, 03:25 PM
Greg Wyshynski ‏@wyshynski 51m51 minutes ago
FAA: David Perron's erection is due to land in Pittsburgh within next hour; David Perron, some time later.

rated
01-02-2015, 03:29 PM
They traded a quality forward for a shit first round pick that they will probably use to draft someone ridiculous because Edmonton doesn't know how to draft unless it's first overall and even then...

Edmonton's failure of a management team at it's finest here lol

BG
01-02-2015, 03:50 PM
I think/hope that Edmonton will look to move that pick to address other needs - the last thing they need is more draft picks.

Leafin'
01-02-2015, 03:57 PM
I think/hope that Edmonton will look to move that pick to address other needs - the last thing they need is more draft picks.

I read they made the trade my first thought was "what in the hell do they need another 1st rounder for?".

Decent asset management for them seeing as MPS turned into doodoo for them. I have a feeling Perron wasn't overly happy about going from powerhouse St Louis to Oil Change.

Edmonton needs vets, not to tank for McDavid. Than again, McDavid looks like a great talent. Maybe he is the next big thing.

Blueman
01-02-2015, 03:59 PM
What's Klinkhammer's upside?

Deckie007
01-02-2015, 04:04 PM
Average 3rd line winger maybe. He's 28.

Deckie007
01-02-2015, 04:27 PM
Patrick M. ‏@generationxwing 4h4 hours ago
I have it, the Oilers now have a Klink AND a Schultz!

MacT playing the best, most subversive joke ever!

GGpX
01-02-2015, 08:44 PM
I love that deal for Pittsburgh. Late first round picks are the most overrated assets in hockey. Even if Perron's underperformed this year in Edmonton, I think it's more because of the situation instead of him. Everybody underperforms in that shithole. And like everyone that plays with Crosby or Malkin, he'll blossom.

Scott Cullen looked at the drafts and there was something like a ~20% chance to draft a top-4 d-man or top-6 forward with a pick in the 20 to 30 range.

Pittsburgh's in win now mode and this is great for them.

Deckie007
01-04-2015, 01:08 PM
The Dallas Stars have the best scoreboard crew in the league...

http://i.imgur.com/ypo3oOj.jpg

CTheBigPicture
01-09-2015, 05:28 PM
Bobrvosky signs a 4 year extension at $7.425 million/year.

That is HUGE $'s for a goalie. Bernier's price just went UP!

LeafOfFaith
01-09-2015, 05:32 PM
Thanks a bundle, ****ing Columbus.

zeke
01-09-2015, 07:29 PM
That's good news actually. I was worried bernie would demand $7 longterm but I doubt he can ask for more than a recent vezina winner.

Killer93
01-09-2015, 08:02 PM
Drew Shore a Flame!!

JackBurton
01-09-2015, 11:15 PM
Columbus is raising the salaries everywhere. I still say that Foligno contract is brutal.

rated
01-10-2015, 07:43 AM
Columbus is raising the salaries everywhere. I still say that Foligno contract is brutal.

If this is Foligno breaking out into a legit player @ 27, it's worth it. If this is Foligno just having a career year and goes back to career norms, yeah its crap.

GEEMAN
01-10-2015, 08:17 AM
Columbus is raising the salaries everywhere. I still say that Foligno contract is brutal.

Clarkson says hello

Cojo
01-10-2015, 08:39 AM
Bobrvosky signs a 4 year extension at $7.425 million/year.

That is HUGE $'s for a goalie. Bernier's price just went UP!

That contract is ridiculous and Bernier has been very average this year. Not a chance he can demand anywhere close to that.

leafman101
01-10-2015, 08:41 AM
I like that Bobrovsky contract. Its tough giving a goalie an 8 year deal. They may have paid a little more, but only had to commit for 4 years.

Wayward DP
01-10-2015, 09:37 AM
Bob's also really good. If you're going to spend top dollar on a goalie, he's one of the ones you do it on. And, a 4 year term is pretty fantastic too.

da_next_kid
01-10-2015, 01:08 PM
That contract is ridiculous and Bernier has been very average this year. Not a chance he can demand anywhere close to that.


Bernier has been good. With the way our team has played in front of him, you could even make an argument that he's played great. .916 is nothing to scoff at, top 10 among goalies that have played 20+ games. His GAON/60 is also vastly superior to Reimer and one of the best. Bernier is going to get PAID.

Cojo
01-10-2015, 01:40 PM
Lol. You can't sit here and tell me that Bernier, who has yet to see a playoff game in a leafs jersey, or mentioned as a vezina candidate, and is below average in save percentage this year can get anywhere close to 7 million/year.

Deckie007
01-10-2015, 01:49 PM
Yeah, seriously. He's not in the same class as Bob. Hasn't played a full season either.

MyNameIsJonas
01-10-2015, 02:01 PM
If Bernier wanted more than 5M per i'd consider balking...not sure the Leafs can afford to overpay a goaltender.

hockeylover
01-10-2015, 02:11 PM
If Bernier wanted more than 5M per i'd consider balking...not sure the Leafs can afford to overpay a goaltender.

Huh? 5 million would only put him right around 15th. And some of those contracts were signed years ago.

BeLeafer
01-10-2015, 02:30 PM
The regularity of him losing focus is concerning. I'd also want to see him go through not along a playoff run but also a stretch run. Hopefully, he stays healthy and they can test him before inking him to a big deal.

Bleedsblue&white
01-10-2015, 03:00 PM
We need to see him in the playoffs, period.

mbow30
01-10-2015, 03:03 PM
you don't not re-sign a goalie who has one of the best sv% over the past 3 seasons just because this team isn't good enough to make the playoffs.

bernier has played at a consistently high level. there are really no concerns whatsoever about him.

mbow30
01-10-2015, 03:05 PM
Yeah, seriously. He's not in the same class as Bob. Hasn't played a full season either.

their identical career sv% and identical sv% over the past two seasons suggests very strongly that bernier very much is in the same class.

mbow30
01-10-2015, 03:05 PM
If Bernier wanted more than 5M per i'd consider balking...not sure the Leafs can afford to overpay a goaltender.

$5m would be a bargain.

Bleedsblue&white
01-10-2015, 04:44 PM
We can't afford to risk another long term bad contract, that's the real problem to me. He might be the right guy, but with all the money on the books already, if Bernier ends up being mediocre we are in trouble cap-wise...more than we already are.

TimHorton
01-10-2015, 04:45 PM
If the price is 5M you snap his hand off. That's a steal

leafman101
01-10-2015, 04:53 PM
Last 3 years
1. Rask - 127 gp, .925
2. Bobrovsky - 124 gp, .924
3. Schnieder - 113 gp, .922
4. Anderson - 103 gp, .921
4. Bishop - 117 gp, .921
4. Lunqvist - 136 gp, .921
4. Price - 131 gp, .921
8. Bernier - 99 gp, .920

Last 2 years
1. Price - 92 gp, .927
2. Varlamov -85 gp, .925
3. Rask - 91 gp, .924
4. Bishop - 94 gp, .921
4. Luongo - 87 gp, .921
6. Bernier - 85 gp, .920


Resigning him shouldn't even be a question at this point.

JackBurton
01-10-2015, 04:59 PM
To save some $, ditch Reimer.

LeafGm
01-10-2015, 05:16 PM
To save some $, ditch Reimer.
I'm sure they will this summer. With the raises to Kadri, Bernier and maybe Franson, and with the salary cap not going up much, they're going to need to save every penny they can. $2.3M for your backup goalie seems like the natural place to start trimming.

It's also not as strong a field in the UFA market this summer, so that should also help in finding him a new home.

UWHabs
01-10-2015, 05:20 PM
I'd expect Bernier to come in around the 6M mark for his next deal. Given how long you've gone without a good goalie, can't think that you can balk at the price. Have to figure out if you only want him for a short deal or if you sign him for the long one.

Deckie007
01-10-2015, 07:14 PM
Trying to figure out how PK didn't make the ASG.

Metalleaf
01-10-2015, 07:15 PM
Trying to figure out how PK didn't make the ASG.

Blame the Latvians.

Metalleaf
01-10-2015, 07:16 PM
And the Blackhawks.

Volcanologist
01-10-2015, 07:17 PM
Trying to figure out how PK didn't make the ASG.

He did make it.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B7Bj_UICQAAHex0.png

Deckie007
01-10-2015, 07:20 PM
I'm getting old, but my eyes ain't that bad. I don't see him on that list.

Leafin'
01-10-2015, 07:20 PM
I want to see how Bernier would perform in the playoffs. That would really give you an idea of what he is worth.

Looks like we'll be in tough to make the playoffs.

Leafin'
01-10-2015, 07:21 PM
I think PK as in Subban you are referring? He did not.

PK as in Phil Kessel, yea he made it.

Metalleaf
01-10-2015, 07:21 PM
I'm getting old, but my eyes ain't that bad. I don't see him on that list.

Volc meant PK aka Phil Kessel....not Subban.

Deckie007
01-10-2015, 07:22 PM
Ah what we have here is a failure to communicate. Meant Subban of course.

Volcanologist
01-10-2015, 07:30 PM
ah ok

Habspatrol
01-10-2015, 07:35 PM
Trying to figure out how PK didn't make the ASG.

Fan voting is an abomination.

Deckie007
01-10-2015, 07:35 PM
Fan voting is an abomination.
True. Should have been added later.

Habspatrol
01-10-2015, 07:36 PM
True too.

Metalleaf
01-10-2015, 07:38 PM
Clearly the nhl is racist....

Habspatrol
01-10-2015, 07:38 PM
Or stoopid.

Deckie007
01-10-2015, 07:42 PM
Why not both?

Habspatrol
01-10-2015, 07:46 PM
True again.

Not only is Subban an all star caliber player but he's exactly the type of player/personality they should be doing everything they can to showcase. He should be the NHL marketing team's wet dream.

Leafin'
01-10-2015, 07:54 PM
True again.

Not only is nSubba an all star caliber player but he's exactly the type of player/personality they should be doing everything they can to showcase. He should be the NHL marketing team's wet dream.

Kessel>

Habspatrol
01-10-2015, 07:56 PM
Alright.

Killer93
01-10-2015, 08:18 PM
Surprised Clarkson didn't make it

Killer93
01-10-2015, 08:21 PM
Honestly who gives a **** about the All-Star game. The whole thing is a joke including the selection process

soco22
01-10-2015, 09:27 PM
Rather no leaf made it so they can just take the weekend off to relax

MyNameIsJonas
01-10-2015, 11:03 PM
Isn't it required every team is represented? or did they change that?

Metalleaf
01-11-2015, 12:06 AM
Isn't it required every team is represented? or did they change that?

Yeah, every team is represented.

Wayward DP
01-11-2015, 01:00 AM
Yeah, every team is represented.

That's why Justin Faulk is an all-star

JackBurton
01-11-2015, 08:04 AM
I haven't watch the All-Star game in years. It was fun when I was a kid. It's a waste of time now.

UWHabs
01-11-2015, 09:07 AM
I haven't watch the All-Star game in years. It was fun when I was a kid. It's a waste of time now.

To me, the solution is to combine the All-Star game with the Winter Classic, and have one outdoor game every year, just the All-Star game. That way you can have the outdoor game have more gimmicks with it, and it really doesn't matter if the ice is crap or anything like that. You can have the skills competition like a big shinny event then as well. It would combine 2 events that I don't care about into something that might be interesting enough to watch.

CTheBigPicture
01-11-2015, 09:22 AM
I'd leave the winter classic as is. The fact that that game matters makes it what it is.

Blueman
01-11-2015, 10:15 AM
I do like the idea of an outdoor all star game

trujaysfan
01-11-2015, 12:24 PM
Just put the Allstars game at the same time and exclude players from the 2 teams playing. I find all star games in any sport to be useless, some of the skills stuff like HR derby or dunk contest are decent but other than that it's a waste.

JackBurton
01-11-2015, 12:30 PM
To me, the solution is to combine the All-Star game with the Winter Classic, and have one outdoor game every year, just the All-Star game. That way you can have the outdoor game have more gimmicks with it, and it really doesn't matter if the ice is crap or anything like that. You can have the skills competition like a big shinny event then as well. It would combine 2 events that I don't care about into something that might be interesting enough to watch.

I love this idea. The Winter Classic really affects the way the game is played. It is better as an exhibition game.

JackBurton
01-11-2015, 12:30 PM
I'd leave the winter classic as is. The fact that that game matters makes it what it is.

The problem is, the conditions affect the result of the game.

CTheBigPicture
01-11-2015, 01:43 PM
The problem is, the conditions affect the result of the game.

I see your point but given the fact that the conditions are the same for both teams then the 'damage' is minimal. Sometimes teams have to accept those minor issues for the betterment of the game. For example, teams start the season overseas, or they go on long road trips like the one Leafs just went on for WJC, etc. In the big picture I don't think it has much negative effect on the final standings, especially given the fact that it's not done to the same teams every year.

worm
01-12-2015, 03:03 PM
Just put the Allstars game at the same time and exclude players from the 2 teams playing. I find all star games in any sport to be useless, some of the skills stuff like HR derby or dunk contest are decent but other than that it's a waste.

I like this idea.

A Saturday and Sunday thing.

LeafGm
01-12-2015, 03:11 PM
Are they still doing that stupid player draft in the year's all-star game?

Deckie007
01-12-2015, 03:18 PM
They should dump everyone's sticks at centre ice and pick the teams that way. :lol

worm
01-12-2015, 03:20 PM
They should dump everyone's sticks at centre ice and pick the teams that way. :lol

then play next goal wins

mbow30
01-13-2015, 09:18 PM
watching this B's/TB game. The B's commentators really are outrageous.

Krejci just attacked a kid from behind, hacked/slashed/cross checked/took him down from the back of the knees/jumped on top of them... brown responded by punching.. these guys went apoplectic "fourth line hack is attacking a star player" "krejci did nothing to warrant that" "that's 2, 5 and a 10" (they gave him 4 for roughing), "you hope brown gets another shift in this game" all direct quotes.

also, chara hit a guy form behind, a tbay player gave him a bit of a glove to the face, then chara cold cocked the guy in the face with his glove on... and they were incredulous that chara got more than 2 mins and was the only guy to get a penalty on the play.

LeafOfFaith
01-13-2015, 09:23 PM
I hate the Bruins announcers more than any other team's. ****ing obnoxious.

Habspatrol
01-13-2015, 09:24 PM
Jack Edwards is the bigger tool in broadcasting... he's a biggest moron than Don Cherry.

Wayward DP
01-13-2015, 09:37 PM
Dave Bolland scored his first goal of the season tonight.

Habsy
01-14-2015, 09:38 AM
Jack Edwards is the biggest tool in broadcasting... he's a biggest moron than Don Cherry.

Ima thinkin Iz getz whut yer sayin' der Jimbo.

Hoss
01-14-2015, 10:02 AM
Dave Bolland scored his first goal of the season tonight.

I'll tell you though, as the panthers started this run, the script was that Florida did it right. They have the goalie, and that Bolland is in the perfect role and that this team is hard working, talented and picked the right free agents. It fricken sickens me how all things are seen totally differently depending on the team.

MyNameIsJonas
01-14-2015, 10:19 AM
I'll tell you though, as the panthers started this run, the script was that Florida did it right. They have the goalie, and that Bolland is in the perfect role and that this team is hard working, talented and picked the right free agents. It fricken sickens me how all things are seen totally differently depending on the team.

1 goal
5.5 M
doing it right.

Killer93
01-14-2015, 10:23 AM
Santo >>>>>>>>>> Bolland

However I would take Bolland's contract over Clarkson any day

LeafGm
01-14-2015, 10:47 AM
Bolland's an NHL calibre player at least, unlike Clarkson.

It would have been unimaginably bad being locked into both of them long-term, though.

Killer93
01-14-2015, 10:53 AM
Can you imagine $11 million locked up into a 3rd line centre and 13th forward? Thank God for Tallon

Volcanologist
01-14-2015, 11:11 AM
Edmonton came through for us on Clarkson, too bad he didn't oblige.

leafman101
01-14-2015, 11:19 AM
People say Clarkson took less to come here. But really unless other teams were also guaranteeing 99% of his salary he didn't.

zeke
01-14-2015, 11:28 AM
Maurice the 2nd youngest coach to get 500 wins. Not bad.

And he did it with professionalism and class.

If only we had given him a real roster to work with.

Killer93
01-14-2015, 11:30 AM
Yea Maurice had it the worst in terms of skill. Remember Blake - Antropov - Ponikorovsky top line, geesh

leafman101
01-14-2015, 11:32 AM
That was Wilson. Maurice had Sundin, Kaberle, McCabe, Steen, Tucker, O'Neill, Antropov, Poni, Wellwood, Kubina, Gill, Peca. Those were good teams other than in net.

Killer93
01-14-2015, 11:39 AM
yep thats right my mistake, good old Raycroft and Toskala days

number17
01-14-2015, 11:49 AM
Maurice had a pretty good team here, but no goalies ... even then i was surprised he couldn't do more with the roster. I wasn't impressed he was a good coach during his Leaf era but he proved afterwards he's not a bad coach at all. To reach 500W so early, especially given he never really had a power house to coach ... that's not too shabby.

Habspatrol
01-14-2015, 12:05 PM
People say Clarkson took less to come here. But really unless other teams were also guaranteeing 99% of his salary he didn't.

Am I missing something? Aren't all contracts 100% guaranteed?

zeke
01-14-2015, 12:13 PM
Can you imagine $11 million locked up into a 3rd line centre and 13th forward? Thank God for Tallon

We also could have had gorges instead of franson.

Killer93
01-14-2015, 12:35 PM
Completely forgot about that, Gorges did us a huge favour by not waiving

Metalleaf
01-14-2015, 12:39 PM
And damned himself in the process.

number17
01-14-2015, 12:45 PM
yeah we dodged a bullet there too ... though not nearly as bad as the Bolland signing would have been

leafman101
01-14-2015, 12:54 PM
Am I missing something? Aren't all contracts 100% guaranteed?

Effectively 2/3 are guaranteed. Thats all you have to pay on a buyout.

number17
01-14-2015, 12:59 PM
Effectively 2/3 are guaranteed. Thats all you have to pay on a buyout.huh? Is Clarkson bought out?

leafman101
01-14-2015, 01:03 PM
No, but if he were they'd have to pay him ~99% of his contract, instead of 66%.

Wayward DP
01-14-2015, 01:05 PM
Clarkson's contract is pretty much buyout proof. His agent had his way with Nonis, Loiselle, et al. We're stuck with him, unless we can find a trade partner. And even then, we almost certainly will have to retain salary in any deal.

Killer93
01-14-2015, 01:26 PM
You would have to retain 50% to move him, our only hope is a career ending injury (see Horton/Pronger etc)

leafman101
01-14-2015, 01:29 PM
I couldn't see any team taking Clarkson for next 5 years. Maybe for a couple years, but IMO no one is going to take him at this point. We're ****ed.

I would gladly retain 50% if it were possible to move him.

Wayward DP
01-14-2015, 01:29 PM
You would have to retain 50% to move him, our only hope is a career ending injury (see Horton/Pronger etc)

Or he Voynovs his missus...

Metalleaf
01-14-2015, 01:41 PM
Maybe he's the PED ring leader?

Killer93
01-14-2015, 02:00 PM
Yep set it up!

CTheBigPicture
01-14-2015, 02:02 PM
Corey Perry admits he thought about a potential future with the Toronto Maple Leafs back in 2013 prior to signing an eight-year, $69-million contract extension with the Anaheim Ducks.

“It would’ve been nice to go home and play in front of family and friends every night, but on the other side of things, you have to think about your life and how you want to live it,” Perry, a native of London, Ont., told the L.A. Times.

LeafOfFaith
01-14-2015, 02:19 PM
I couldn't see any team taking Clarkson for next 5 years. Maybe for a couple years, but IMO no one is going to take him at this point. We're ****ed.

I would gladly retain 50% if it were possible to move him.

The way to get rid of him is to take on a bigger short term pain.

Trading him for a worse player who gets paid more for maybe the next two years.

Or preying on some team that's decimated with long term injuries and needing forwards in a bad way.

LeafGm
01-14-2015, 02:32 PM
I couldn't see any team taking Clarkson for next 5 years. Maybe for a couple years, but IMO no one is going to take him at this point. We're ****ed.

I would gladly retain 50% if it were possible to move him.
I think you'd pretty much have to eat some of the cap hit, AND take back a bad contract from another team. Like Mike Richards in LA, just as an example.

Once again, Nonis and his entire front office staff deserved to get fired just for that contract.


Corey Perry admits he thought about a potential future with the Toronto Maple Leafs back in 2013 prior to signing an eight-year, $69-million contract extension with the Anaheim Ducks.

“It would’ve been nice to go home and play in front of family and friends every night, but on the other side of things, you have to think about your life and how you want to live it,” Perry, a native of London, Ont., told the L.A. Times.
...said pretty much every good Toronto-born player ever, when considering whether to wait for UFA or re-sign with their adopted home for big bucks.

Volcanologist
01-14-2015, 02:59 PM
"you have to think about your life and how you want to live it"

That should be the sentiment of people who sign here, not people who don't.

sad commentary and all that.

Wayward DP
01-14-2015, 03:03 PM
The one team I could see that would be stupid enough to take Clarkson would be the Oilers.

#intangibles

Habspatrol
01-14-2015, 03:13 PM
"you have to think about your life and how you want to live it"

That should be the sentiment of people who sign here, not people who don't.

sad commentary and all that.

Well it's not like he's choosing Edmonton or Detroit over TO. He chose Anaheim... gotta be a pretty sweet place to be for a really rich young guy.

LeafOfFaith
01-14-2015, 03:26 PM
You don't really "live" in the city where you play. If you truly bleed blue and white, you take it and just live where you want in the offseason.

For all of Clarkson's faults, I do give him credit for being a true Leafs fan and taking on the inevitable abuse that even the best players get here.

worm
01-14-2015, 03:31 PM
Dave Bolland scored his first goal of the season tonight.


whoa

was he hurt most of the year?

Habspatrol
01-14-2015, 03:34 PM
You don't really "live" in the city where you play. If you truly bleed blue and white, you take it and just live where you want in the offseason.

For all of Clarkson's faults, I do give him credit for being a true Leafs fan and taking on the inevitable abuse that even the best players get here.

I don't think any of these guys are really hardcore fans of teams after playing for years in another market. That's not to say that some don't have some desire to play in the city they grew up loving... but I think that fades a lot after playing elsewhere.

worm
01-14-2015, 03:34 PM
Or he Voynovs his missus...

still counts against the cap....no?

worm
01-14-2015, 03:36 PM
I don't think any of these guys are really hardcore fans of teams after playing for years in another market. That's not to say that some don't have some desire to play in the city they grew up loving... but I think that fades a lot after playing elsewhere.

i find most serious hockey players lose interest in a specific team by 10 years old
they just play hockey 24/7

Habspatrol
01-14-2015, 03:39 PM
Guys like Mario, Sid, Vinny and countless others dreamed of playing for the Habs. All of them passed up on opportunities to go there after playing years with other franchises.

LeafGm
01-14-2015, 03:41 PM
The Habs are in the same boat as the Leafs---the hometown guys only come home when they're old and broken down, and looking to pull on the jersey before they retire.

Montana
01-14-2015, 03:47 PM
I don't think any of these guys are really hardcore fans of teams after playing for years in another market. That's not to say that some don't have some desire to play in the city they grew up loving... but I think that fades a lot after playing elsewhere.

Yep.....as adults they care about much more pragmatic elements that who they cheered for as little kids.

Wayward DP
01-14-2015, 04:11 PM
still counts against the cap....no?

pretty sure the Kings worked out some kind of deal so he wouldn't count against the cap (this deal came after they played a few games with 5 d-men because they didn't have the cap space to call up anyone).

LeafGm
01-14-2015, 04:38 PM
pretty sure the Kings worked out some kind of deal so he wouldn't count against the cap (this deal came after they played a few games with 5 d-men because they didn't have the cap space to call up anyone).
Yeah, the Kings, league and NHLPA all worked out a compromise. For the purposes of the salary cap, Voynov's being treated like a player on LTIR.

The interesting part of this case is still what's coming up, though. What happens if he's convicted? Does he serve jail time, or not? And either way, will the Kings have cause to terminate his contract? How would the league feel about lifting the suspension for a convicted wife beater? How would the Kings feel about welcoming a convicted wife beater back into their lineup?

TimHorton
01-14-2015, 04:50 PM
Living on a beach in total anonymity 99% of the time and just playing hockey, or people watching what you eat for lunch and live tweeting it...........tough choice.

MyNameIsJonas
01-14-2015, 05:01 PM
Devan Dubnyk to Wild for 3rd round pick.

Somewhere Dubnyk represents a goaltending upgrade.

worm
01-14-2015, 05:05 PM
Yeah, the Kings, league and NHLPA all worked out a compromise. For the purposes of the salary cap, Voynov's being treated like a player on LTIR.

The interesting part of this case is still what's coming up, though. What happens if he's convicted? Does he serve jail time, or not? And either way, will the Kings have cause to terminate his contract? How would the league feel about lifting the suspension for a convicted wife beater? How would the Kings feel about welcoming a convicted wife beater back into their lineup?

Thanks. I must have missed that. Just remember when it first happened it counted against the cap.

worm
01-14-2015, 05:05 PM
Devan Dubnyk to Wild for 3rd round pick.

Somewhere Dubnyk represents a goaltending upgrade.

Edmonton.

JackBurton
01-14-2015, 05:07 PM
Corey Perry admits he thought about a potential future with the Toronto Maple Leafs back in 2013 prior to signing an eight-year, $69-million contract extension with the Anaheim Ducks.

“It would’ve been nice to go home and play in front of family and friends every night, but on the other side of things, you have to think about your life and how you want to live it,” Perry, a native of London, Ont., told the L.A. Times.

It must be fantastic to play in Anaheim.

JackBurton
01-14-2015, 06:08 PM
So Brodeur seems to be sulking he's the #3 goalie in St.Louis. this guy needs to retire.

LeafGm
01-14-2015, 08:33 PM
So Brodeur seems to be sulking he's the #3 goalie in St.Louis. this guy needs to retire.
That was a weird destination for Brodeur from the start. Jake Allen is their "goalie of the future" and is no longer waiver exempt, and Brian Elliott has put up elite numbers in four of his past five years, albeit as a 1B or backup goaltender. Obviously they're not going to dump either of those guys to make room for 42 year-old Marty Brodeur, even if Brodeur had come in and played really well. It only makes sense if Elliott was going to be out for a very long time, otherwise there's no room for him.

He can quit and go home, stick it out as the spare to the spare in St-Louis, or pull a Chris Chelios and play for any team that'll have him.

soco22
01-15-2015, 11:40 AM
I've said it before in other threads. We have to hope that great Toronto boys are put into a shitty situation to have a chance at signing them. Tyler seguin was a great hope before he was traded to Dallas. All I see now is Tavares with the isles as a maybe for wanting to get out of there at the end of his extension.

Habspatrol
01-15-2015, 11:49 AM
I've said it before in other threads. We have to hope that great Toronto boys are put into a shitty situation to have a chance at signing them. Tyler seguin was a great hope before he was traded to Dallas. All I see now is Tavares with the isles as a maybe for wanting to get out of there at the end of his extension.

And who knows what impact the move to Brooklyn will have in JT's situation.

leafman101
01-15-2015, 11:51 AM
It would be a lot more tempting for these players to come here if the Leafs weren't one of the worst organizations in hockey over the last decade.

MyNameIsJonas
01-15-2015, 11:52 AM
It would be a lot more tempting for these players to come here if the Leafs weren't one of the worst organizations in hockey over the last decade.

Yup one thing to get over playing in a fishbowl, another to do it on a god awful team with an angry fan base.

Metalleaf
01-15-2015, 11:54 AM
The angry fan base will never go away.

Habspatrol
01-15-2015, 11:58 AM
The angry fan base will never go away.

Winning will help... a lot.

Metalleaf
01-15-2015, 12:04 PM
It was angry when we were winning 15 years ago.

CTheBigPicture
01-15-2015, 12:10 PM
I was angry 15 year ago when we were "winning". Why? Because I didn't think we had any chance of actually winning the cup given how PQ coached the team and how we never had a chance against Sakic's of the world.

leafman101
01-15-2015, 12:15 PM
And now how stupid do you feel for being angry at a legit contender, that went to 2 conference finals in 6 years.

They were just getting better too. They were screwed by the lockout:

Nolan-Sundin-Renberg
Roberts-Nieuwendyk-Mogilny
Antrpov-Francis-Tucker
fitzgerald-Reichel-Poni

Leetch-McCabe
Kaberle-Klee
Berg-Johansson

Belfour

That team could have won if given another year or two.

Habsy
01-15-2015, 01:45 PM
The Habs have been to two ECF's in the past four years. What does that have to do with anything?

BKerr
01-15-2015, 01:51 PM
Thet were getting better and screwed by the lockout?

They were the oldest team in the nhl.....

The core of the forwards on that team were all 30+... many 35+. How many of those guys were getting better in 2005. By then the prime of nieuwendyk, roberts, sundin, tucker, francis, nolan, mogilny, had all passed.

The goalie was belfour... another senior citizen.

leafman101
01-15-2015, 02:07 PM
The Habs have been to two ECF's in the past four years. What does that have to do with anything?

It should be fun to watch and easy to enjoy. Especially with the perspective of the last 10 years.

leafman101
01-15-2015, 02:09 PM
Thet were getting better and screwed by the lockout?

They were the oldest team in the nhl.....

The core of the forwards on that team were all 30+... many 35+. How many of those guys were getting better in 2005. By then the prime of nieuwendyk, roberts, sundin, tucker, francis, nolan, mogilny, had all passed.

The goalie was belfour... another senior citizen.

Yeah, but they were all still good. 2003-04 was the best regular season record in Maple Leafs history.

I can't fathom how someone could argue that the lockout didn't hurt the Leafs.

BKerr
01-15-2015, 02:17 PM
Yes The lockout accelerated the aging one year and that hurt them... but they werent going any farther in 05 than they had gone the previous year. The core wasnt improving it was aging.

They werent an improving squad... they werent exactly a core that was just full of players starting to reach their prime is all im saying

leafman101
01-15-2015, 02:18 PM
But the core was improving because they were adding a Nolan, Nieuwndyk, Mogilny or Leetch every year.

I didn't say they were primed for a 10 year dominant run. I said they had a good year or two ahead of them.