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PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-03-2009, 06:35 PM
In today's afternoon action...

Finals:

Blues 5 - Tkachuk-2, McDonald, Boyes, Berglund - Conklin 30/33
Wings 3 - Holmstrom, Cleary, Kronwall - Howard 27/35

Chicago 4 - Campbell, Kane, Sharp, Byfuglien - Niemi 23/23
Florida 0 - N/A - Vokoun 29/33

Colorado 3 - Wolski, Stastny, Tucker - Anderson 35/35
Vancouver 0 - N/A - Luongo 24/27

BeLeafer
10-03-2009, 06:37 PM
Wings are looking pretty ordinary so far. I eagerly await The Return of the Dead Things.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-03-2009, 06:38 PM
Niemi's another young goalie to look out for.

MindzEye
10-03-2009, 06:39 PM
did Huet die or something?

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-03-2009, 06:40 PM
Wings are looking pretty ordinary so far. I eagerly await The Return of the Dead Things.

They better get some goaltending this year. They don't quite have the offensive depth they had last year to make up for poor goaltending again.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-03-2009, 06:41 PM
did Huet die or something?

He lost his first start and didn't look very good in the process.

In other cities they change the goaltender. In Toronto, we just keep returning to the same broken down, dirty, sucky well.

number17
10-03-2009, 06:53 PM
He lost his first start and didn't look very good in the process.

In other cities they change the goaltender. In Toronto, we just keep returning to the same broken down, dirty, sucky well.Well, I have faith in Burke.

Burke has iterated at least a million times this summer, that his goal is to make the playoff. He's not gonna let a goalie stand in his way.

He will be patient with Vesa ... for ~ 5-7 games IMO, and then the Monster will take over.

MindzEye
10-03-2009, 06:55 PM
He lost his first start and didn't look very good in the process.

In other cities they change the goaltender. In Toronto, we just keep returning to the same broken down, dirty, sucky well.

hopefully it only takes us twice as much time as it took Chicago to make a change... Huet has a much, much better track record than Toskala does...and Gusto has more upside than Niemi

zeke
10-03-2009, 07:21 PM
I just think they gave both goalies a start in europe, like the wings did with Osgood and Howard, in their back to back games.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-03-2009, 08:32 PM
Kubina has his first point as a Thrasher.

2-0 Atlanta in the 2nd.

JackBurton
10-03-2009, 08:48 PM
Craig Anderson is looking very, very good. Great UFA signing that didn't get much attention.

Habsy
10-03-2009, 09:25 PM
I saw him play some last year. He is a very good goalie.

Montreal tied it 1-1 after 2 but has lost O'Byrne and Metropolit.

OB has played very well thus far so it is a loss as he is our only RH defender too.

da_next_kid
10-03-2009, 09:29 PM
Wow Francois Beauchemin is ****ing terrible.

Habsy
10-03-2009, 09:34 PM
And you wondered why there wasn't a bidding war for him?

Concerns over his knees.

Metalleaf
10-03-2009, 09:37 PM
His knees haven't been the problem, dude needs to settle down.

BeLeafer
10-03-2009, 10:24 PM
It's Pat Quinn's debut behind the Oilers bench tonight.

GO PAT GO!!!

Outrageous that this guy has been out for this long.

Artnes
10-03-2009, 11:01 PM
Wow Francois Beauchemin is ****ing terrible.

Relax. Give him a few games to get settled and find a line mate he clicks with.

He's always played well in Anaheim and he didn't forget how to play hockey on the plane to TO.

BeLeafer
10-04-2009, 12:16 AM
Anyone watching this Gagne kid - one assist shy of a Gordie Howe hattrick.

bayrider
10-04-2009, 12:18 AM
...and a goal

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-04-2009, 12:19 AM
Emery off to a quick start as well: 2-0-0, .963 SV%

BeLeafer
10-04-2009, 12:20 AM
Damn, thought that was him with the slapper. Makes it easier knowing I have him on the bench tonight.

zeke
10-04-2009, 12:26 AM
we shoulda signed Emery last year.

BeLeafer
10-04-2009, 01:11 AM
Gagne has the goal now.

See Penner is playing a good game now that they have a real coach.

BeLeafer
10-04-2009, 01:12 AM
Damn near got the assist there.

Ugh, brutal puck work from Khabbibulin. Yick.

That's like a recurring nightmare for Quinn.

drewser
10-04-2009, 01:13 AM
Wow not even sure Vesa could have pulled that one off... brutal goal

BeLeafer
10-04-2009, 01:14 AM
Uberbrutal ... less than a minute left too.

number17
10-04-2009, 08:53 AM
we shoulda signed Emery last year.We don't need his baggage.

Sure, Emery can be a good goalie, I think that much all 30 GM's know ... but he can also start missing practice as soon as next month, become a dressing room cancer, get into fight with his teammates when he does show up at practice, and play awful when the coach give it to him.

And yeah, given his loud mouth, when he gets the mic in his face all the times in a city like Toronto? Oh boy ...

teeds
10-04-2009, 10:24 AM
Emery and Kadri would have been a blast to listen to, if they kept if cool. They could have owned the city. Honestly, would you rather have the albino rat from Finland who wears clothes that Don Cherry discarded from the seventies?

zeke
10-04-2009, 02:05 PM
We don't need his baggage.

Sure, Emery can be a good goalie, I think that much all 30 GM's know ... but he can also start missing practice as soon as next month, become a dressing room cancer, get into fight with his teammates when he does show up at practice, and play awful when the coach give it to him.

And yeah, given his loud mouth, when he gets the mic in his face all the times in a city like Toronto? Oh boy ...

free young elite talent.

unfairly and ridiculously scapegoated despite being the best and most clutch player on one of the most overrated teams in hockey history.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-04-2009, 02:12 PM
A goalie allowing 40 foot wristers from the blueline in the opening 2 minutes of a game is far more damaging to a team than a goalie being late for a team meeting.

There were a lot of good goalies available for relatively cheap this year and last year that the Leafs could have pursued. No reason to put up with garbage goaltending.

Volcanologist
10-04-2009, 08:27 PM
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-panthers-sign-moore-100409,0,26626.story

The Panthers sign Dominic Moore to a 1-year deal.

leafman101
10-04-2009, 08:28 PM
Yeah Philly finally got it right in net.

Wayward DP
10-04-2009, 08:42 PM
St. Louis is gonna be real good this year. Watch out for them.

Just a complete team.
Tons of depth up front, including established vets and a great collection of young talent.
Good solid blueline, with toughness and mobility.

And Mason is a solid goalie, plus Conklin is a very good backup.

I honestly think they could challenge for the division this year. Think the gap between Detroit and Chicago-St.Lou has shrunk significantly. Mostly due to Osgood but also cause the Wings lost a lot of offensive depth.

leafman101
10-04-2009, 09:03 PM
They were one of the best teams in the league in the second half of the season last year. And that was without their two best players (Kariya and Johnson).

zeke
10-04-2009, 09:12 PM
Ex-Leafs on the other 29 teams in the NHL:



C N.Antropov (ATL): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, +0, 16:46
LW S.Sullivan (NAS): 1gms, 1gls, 1pts, +0, 22:38
RW B.Boyes (STL): 1gms, 1gls, 2pts, +1, 14:40

C K.Wellwood (VAN): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, -1, 14:09
LW D.Tucker (COL): 2gms, 2gls, 2pts, +1, 15:47
RW O.Nolan (MIN): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, -1, 14:04

C D.Moore (FLA): -----
LW F.Modin (CLM): ------
RW A.Steen (STL): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, -1, 14:19

C A.Mair (BUF): ----------
LW S.Thornton (BOS): 2gms, 1gls, 1pts, +1, 6:52
RW W.Belak (NAS): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, +0, 5:06


D B.McCabe (FLA): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, -1, 23:04
D P.Kubina (ATL): 1gms, 0gls, 1pts, +1, 20:22

D C.Colaiacovo (STL): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, -1, 17:34
D H.Gill (MTL): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, -1, 21:34

D J.Harrison (CAR): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, +0, 10:38
D S.Kronwall (CAL): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, +0, 8:57

D A.Stralman (CLM): ----------


G T.Rask (BOS): --------
G S.Clemmensen (FLA): ---------
G A.Raycroft (VAN): --------

JohnnyHolmes
10-04-2009, 09:23 PM
The stories of Emery being a cancer and a bad guy were hugely overblown by the sad sack media and small town mentality in Ottawa.

Tyson on his helmet was "controversial"

He got pulled over every time he drove anywhere. The guy had issues for sure, but I think they were more him being buried under a sea of pussy than anything else.

Buying Emery out is in the top 5 of bad moves in Ottawa franchise history. We are still paying him over $500K to play in Philly.

Metalleaf
10-05-2009, 11:37 PM
So...were the Canucks overhyped? Vancouver down 4-1 to Columbus, Raycroft is now in net for Luongo.

BeLeafer
10-05-2009, 11:40 PM
Luongo looks like he's lost it. He wasn't very good in the playoffs last season. I found the giant contract perplexing after watching his playoff performance.

He looks like shit - 3 goals on 3 shots. Channeling Toskala.

Metalleaf
10-05-2009, 11:42 PM
They had a graphic on TSN with Toskala and Luongo in it...maybe they cursed him...

leafman101
10-05-2009, 11:45 PM
Raycroft > Luongo

WellPlayed
10-05-2009, 11:48 PM
Keep that guy away from Team Canada if he keeps it up. No more picking based on reputation.

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-05-2009, 11:54 PM
watch Bob find it on Wednesday when I am there in my sainte flanelle (it will be Count Jr's first ever NHL game

BeLeafer
10-05-2009, 11:57 PM
We can only hope so - kid will be wondering if pop hasn't already got a foot in dementia's door. Could be a good ol' spanking.

zeke
10-06-2009, 12:31 AM
yeah damn, Luongo looks like Cougar from Top Gun.

WellPlayed
10-06-2009, 12:34 AM
http://130.18.140.19/mmsoc/cougar.jpg

bayrider
10-06-2009, 02:43 AM
Vancouver's defense has been worse than Luongo.

Watch Bieksa just on Columbus' first 2 goals. That's straight up Brisebois material right there.

JackBurton
10-06-2009, 02:45 AM
Good on Vancouver.

KingTucker
10-06-2009, 04:43 PM
yeah damn, Luongo looks like Cougar from Top Gun.

Kelly McGillis? :sarcasm

Wonder when Detroit will start rolling...you have to think all those deep playof runs are going to take their toll sometime.

:couch

hockeylover
10-06-2009, 04:49 PM
Avs' Anderson has groin pull according to Denver Post. Ouch, sucks for them.

Habsy
10-06-2009, 04:54 PM
Habs sign M.A. Bergeron 1-year $750K

zeke
10-06-2009, 05:01 PM
So sorry, habsy.

Habsy
10-06-2009, 05:06 PM
Meh, with what they have it is a low risk move if he is 3rd pair. He will definitely help on the PP, he has a booming shot.

Artnes
10-06-2009, 05:30 PM
Minimal regular minutes as possible and he'll do fine

Habsy
10-06-2009, 05:38 PM
Yep. Our PP has looked terrible without Markov. After losing OB now for 8 weeks they say (knee), they had to make a move. terms of the deal are low and he should help the PP.

axlsalinger
10-06-2009, 06:02 PM
Yeah, great move for the Habs. Bergeron is pretty mediocre, but he can quarterback a power play alright, and for $750K on a one-year deal, with Markov out ... worth a shot.

zeke
10-06-2009, 11:33 PM
Our boy Staffan Kronwall with a 2 point night going.

Habsy
10-07-2009, 12:07 AM
Habs fourth line of Laraque-Chipchura-Stewart lost the game. Simply awful and -3 for that shitty line. Halak was mediocre too.

CTheBigPicture
10-07-2009, 08:24 PM
woah, watching the Pens/'Yotes game. Johnson with a SICK glove save for the Penguins to keep it a 1-0 game (for Phoenix).

So far Phoenix has controlled the game on the road. I am somewhat disappointed at Boedker, thought he'd make a big jump this year. Haven't heard his name much. This Coyotes team overall looks pretty decent. They just need some direction.

BeLeafer
10-07-2009, 09:26 PM
Penalties, 5 minutes left, 2nd period:

Phoenix: 2, 4 minutes
Penguins: 6, 14 minutes

BeLeafer
10-07-2009, 11:00 PM
Kesler just made Price look pretty ordinary.

BeLeafer
10-07-2009, 11:15 PM
Good ol' spanking in the first.

Price isn't coming to the rescue - that Habs team is pretty weak.

BeLeafer
10-08-2009, 12:00 AM
THUD!

Can hear it all the way from Vancouver - Price has crash landed after two games. Gotta love it.

corksens
10-08-2009, 12:31 AM
Sweet. The Habs don't get lights out goaltending and the result isn't just a loss its a slaughter.

Habs do not look good defensively this year.

Habsy
10-08-2009, 12:33 AM
Missing two starters. I wonder why.

This game has nothing to do with Price either. He's been left out to dry.

habs25th
10-08-2009, 12:37 AM
Good ol' spanking in the first.

Price isn't coming to the rescue - that Habs team is pretty weak.

Have the Leafs won their first game yet? I could have sworn you were trash talking.

axlsalinger
10-08-2009, 12:38 AM
I watched that first period, had nothing to do with Price. Habs were flat-out outplayed, and it wasn't even close.

Habsy
10-08-2009, 12:44 AM
Second half of the first killed us. Terrible play.

BeLeafer
10-08-2009, 12:47 AM
7 goals on 31 shots.

THUD!

evadeena
10-08-2009, 12:49 AM
Good ol' spanking in the first.

Price isn't coming to the rescue - that Habs team is pretty weak.

LEAFS 0-81-1:party:

Habsy
10-08-2009, 12:52 AM
He's just trolling for reactions. BL is dumb but not stupid.

:wink


Habs stunk tonight, there is no denying that.

BeLeafer
10-08-2009, 01:28 AM
The good news is that this was Count Jr.'s first game - early development impressions are lasting. Might torch that habs jersey when the hormones start flowing.

JackBurton
10-08-2009, 01:42 AM
The Habs are in big, big trouble without Markov. Those two wins mean little as Price stole them. Now we're seeing the real Habs team. The Leafs have a better shot at making the playoffs.

habs25th
10-08-2009, 01:56 AM
The Habs are in big, big trouble without Markov. Those two wins mean little as Price stole them. Now we're seeing the real Habs team. The Leafs have a better shot at making the playoffs.

No they don't.

It's only one game, we played much better last night against a better team, shit happens.

Habsy
10-08-2009, 01:57 AM
Heh, a bad game and they're done? You sure you aren't a Habs fan?

They'll win more than the Leafs.

habs25th
10-08-2009, 02:01 AM
Luongo completely stole us that one anyway.

Metalleaf
10-08-2009, 02:02 AM
Heh!

BeLeafer
10-08-2009, 02:04 AM
That blueline his horrific. It was awful in the first game, looked just as bad in Buffalo, managed to look okay in Calgary, and was a total and complete horror show in Vancouver.

Not sure what kind of move Gainey can make. Seems he's already traded away the futures and there ain't much that can be traded on the forward lines.

Count Chocula is not a very good coach either. He was fortunate to have had some highly talented players in Ottawa but he could never get them anywhere.

If you're a Habs fan and religious, best start praying your ass off that Price is the second coming this season.

BeLeafer
10-08-2009, 02:10 AM
They'll win more than the Leafs.

What's the wager?

How about a full year of "Obama is my Personal Saviour" replacing "Fraud"?

I'll spot you two and still win this one.

habs25th
10-08-2009, 02:15 AM
What's the wager?

How about a full year of "Obama is my Personal Saviour" replacing "Fraud"?

I'll spot you two and still win this one.

Rofl stop touching yourself.

Lemming
10-08-2009, 02:17 AM
Missing two starters. I wonder why.

This game has nothing to do with Price either. He's been left out to dry.

Bang on...

I felt truly sorry for him...

No offense, it's not just the defense, the offense were waaaaaaaay out in terms of defense...especially on the Bernier goal...

No one even near him...not even close...forwards went all the way out the point...

What genius decided not to defend the 3rd man on a Sedin line on a PP? Not Price, that's for sure...

bayrider
10-08-2009, 02:43 AM
If you can see that you're own Beauchemin ****ing sucked so far, you surely are smart enough to see how bad our defense was. What was that, 4 one on ones against Price? 6 of those goals were due to bad defense, maybe even all 7.

That said, Price is one of the worst 1 on 1 goalies in the NHL.

Habsy
10-08-2009, 02:45 AM
What's the wager?

How about a full year of "Obama is my Personal Saviour" replacing "Fraud"?

I'll spot you two and still win this one.

Be careful Beleafer, you may not like your end of the deal when you lose.

Veca
10-08-2009, 02:50 AM
Be careful Beleafer, you may not like your end of the deal when you lose.

:thumbsup(22): Yeah boss. Make him use my lovely mug for his avatar for a year. That will teach him....:smilielol5::smilielol5:

BeLeafer
10-08-2009, 05:36 AM
Be careful Beleafer, you may not like your end of the deal when you lose.

I am unconcerned.

(Unless Veca's threat is for real!)

BeLeafer
10-08-2009, 05:42 AM
If you can see that you're own Beauchemin ****ing sucked so far, you surely are smart enough to see how bad our defense was. What was that, 4 one on ones against Price? 6 of those goals were due to bad defense, maybe even all 7.

That said, Price is one of the worst 1 on 1 goalies in the NHL.
He definitely faced an abundant number of high quality scoring chances. Not sure he stopped many of them.

There was an interesting dynamic in this game. After the Habs scored at the start of the second, they were right back in the game and, frankly, taking it to the Canucks as badly as they had taken it to the Habs in the first.

Then, Price let in that powerplay goal and the Habs collapsed again. Maybe it was just a coincidence but it looked like a team with a precarious confidence in its goaltender. Maybe it's just weak confidence overall. I'm sure they know he stole the previous games he started.

CTheBigPicture
10-08-2009, 07:28 AM
great games tonight:
Battle of Alberta
Battle of Pennsylvania
Chicago and Detroit play for the first time since playoffs
NYR vs. Washington for early Eastern conference bragging rights.

Colorado vs. Nashville....ok this one's an AHL match up;D

zeke
10-08-2009, 11:22 AM
Gainey really should be fired.

He had an opportunity with all that capsapce to really make some good signings and give himself a real deep team.

But now he's spent all his money long-term, and has locked into a team with 1.5 ok scoring lines and a medicore defense corps, without money left to improve the team, and with what was considered a great base of young talent largely squandered.

Volcanologist
10-08-2009, 11:34 AM
I think he's gone after this year if they don't make the playoffs. Same with Murray in Ottawa.

JaysCyYoung
10-08-2009, 11:46 AM
Theoretically: what if the Habs DO make the playoffs but it's another first round exit. Is Gainey's job safe at that point?

CTheBigPicture
10-08-2009, 11:55 AM
I think it is. If they wanted to fire the guy, they wouldn't have let him cripple the next GM with all those long term salaries.

Habsy
10-08-2009, 01:36 PM
I think Gainey is gone either way. New owners and I think the job has worn on him.

Habsy
10-08-2009, 01:37 PM
Hey BL, still think the Leafs win more with Toskala playing every night?

Metalleaf
10-08-2009, 01:59 PM
Hey BL, still think the Leafs win more with Toskala playing every night?

MacDonald's a serviceable NHL goaltender, he'll give us average goaltending, and Toskala has shown he can win games, we just need to score 4+ goals.

worm
10-08-2009, 02:11 PM
Isnt this the last year on gaineys contract?
Im guessing this team is like 13th in the east...then Markov comes back and leads us to 9th or 10th

bayrider
10-08-2009, 03:52 PM
Even if Gainey goes, our next GM's hands will be tied for the next 5 years with those stupid contracts. That's going to be another 5 years of mid level futility tacked on to the running 15 years we've had to endure.

worm
10-08-2009, 03:58 PM
Even if Gainey goes, our next GM's hands will be tied for the next 5 years with those stupid contracts. That's going to be another 5 years of mid level futility tacked on to the running 15 years we've had to endure.

i think gionta and cammis are fine
it is gomez that isnt fine...maybe the new gm can hope gainey finds a job elsewhere and is a sucker twice

bayrider
10-08-2009, 04:18 PM
Cammalleri, though he hasn't played bad (or really well for that matter), hasn't shown any signs of being a 30+ goal scorer in this league.

I'd like to focus on several good shifts in 4 games, but I was hoping for a more consistent effort rather than having to pick and choose when and where he did well. I know it's still early and all but it's really hard to ignore that fact, especially seeing as these key signings aren't really key players in the league. I know if a guy like Kovalchuk or Thornton get off to a slow start or are in a slump, they'll get out of it somehow. I don't have as much faith in 2nd tier guys like Gomez, Cammalleri and Gionta being able to do the same.

habs25th
10-08-2009, 04:22 PM
Cammalleri, though he hasn't played bad (or really well for that matter), hasn't shown any signs of being a 30+ goal scorer in this league.

I'd like to focus on several good shifts in 4 games, but I was hoping for a more consistent effort rather than having to pick and choose when and where he did well. I know it's still early and all but it's really hard to ignore that fact, especially seeing as these key signings aren't really key players in the league. I know if a guy like Kovalchuk or Thornton get off to a slow start or are in a slump, they'll get out of it somehow. I don't have as much faith in 2nd tier guys like Gomez, Cammalleri and Gionta being able to do the same.

I think they paid the price last night for playing so much the night before, giving up on them already is ridiculous. We haven't even played one game in Montreal yet.

Kritter
10-08-2009, 05:27 PM
4 games into the season and a back to back is a problem?

Habsy
10-08-2009, 06:16 PM
Apparently.

They got bag-skated today to make up for their night off last night.

Artnes
10-08-2009, 06:27 PM
The Leafs were bag skated after a 2-1 loss. I would hate to see what Wilson has up his sleeve for a beating like that

worm
10-08-2009, 06:33 PM
The Leafs were bag skated after a 2-1 loss. I would hate to see what Wilson has up his sleeve for a beating like that

bowling

LeafOfFaith
10-08-2009, 06:51 PM
The Leafs were bag skated after a 2-1 loss. I would hate to see what Wilson has up his sleeve for a beating like that

You might find out on Sunday morning.

zeke
10-09-2009, 02:30 AM
wow, the refs hand another game over to the Sens.

habs25th
10-09-2009, 02:39 AM
4 games into the season and a back to back is a problem?

4 games or 60 games in doesn't change much. A B2B is a B2B. Especially considering how Martin rolled only 3 lines for the third period against Calgary.

teeds
10-09-2009, 04:27 AM
Bag skated and bicycles for training. Am I hearing that right? Holy Fawk, the Leafs are still 50 years behind what I consider acceptable training. No wonder we stink.

Rosehill, Stempniak, Orr, Mayers, these guys are sub ECHL. How can anyone pay for a seat and watch these scrubs? Is there so little going on in their lives?

Kritter
10-09-2009, 07:33 AM
Anyone catch the highlight of Iginla going into the boards with Souray last night? Oilers calling it a dirty play by Iginla.
Listening to Quinn after the game, said in the old days he would have got a stick in the head right after that play

"I don't understand the players of today," Quinn said. "If that had happened in the old days, he would have got hit over the head with a stick right after. That's the way you used to deal with it, now you can't touch him
... man I miss the old bastard.
Anyone think that play by Iginla was an intent to injure ?

corksens
10-09-2009, 09:24 AM
Without seeing the play, no. It's not in Iginla's playbook.

Kritter
10-09-2009, 11:41 AM
Without seeing the play, no. It's not in Iginla's playbook.

I agree, it's not his style whatsoever. You dont even have to see the play.

zeke
10-09-2009, 01:04 PM
Iginla's got a Mr.Clean image, but this is far from the first time he's made a very borderline play like that.

I thought it was dirty as hell, myself. I'm surprised Souray didn't break an ankle along with the concussion.

JaysCyYoung
10-09-2009, 01:05 PM
Hey zeke, did you see Black Magic's first goal last night? Pretty sweet snapshot from the high slot to beat Chris Mason.

corksens
10-09-2009, 01:06 PM
wow, the refs hand another game over to the Sens.It appears you watched the highlights and not the game. Imagine that.

The 1st goal shouldn't have counted - the puck hit the mesh - but there was no whistle and play kept going for 10 seconds before the goal occured. The Isles should have kept playing.

With that said, the Isles got 5 straight powerplays to the Sens 0 - and trust me, there were calls to make on both sides. Late in the game Fisher was interfered while going for a lose puck and Kovalev was wretched to the ground in the offensive zone...no calls.

The refs didn't hand anything to anyone.

leaffan2005
10-09-2009, 01:12 PM
So that's two goals that shouldn't have counted in two consecutive games in favor of the Sens?

corksens
10-09-2009, 01:15 PM
Just 1.

The Donovan goal, despite your best efforts, was and is a goal.

number17
10-09-2009, 01:19 PM
So Corky, what's the deal with Kovalev? Is he getting chances just not scoring or does he suck so far? I got him in my pool and I'm debating if I should bench him or not ...

corksens
10-09-2009, 01:23 PM
The problem with Ottawa's scoring at the moment is that the Kovalev-Fisher-Foligno line is the only one struggling with chemistry.

Lines 1, 3, and 4 are all providing the necessary spark, although they haven't lit the lamp like they'd have hoped.

Kovalev, in my opinion, should play with someone that has more to his game than Fishers skate hard to the net and rip a shot. He should be put with Alfie, in my opinion. Those two make lots of room for each other and both have poise with the puck.

zeke
10-09-2009, 01:24 PM
It appears you watched the highlights and not the game. Imagine that.

The 1st goal shouldn't have counted - the puck hit the mesh - but there was no whistle and play kept going for 10 seconds before the goal occured. The Isles should have kept playing.

With that said, the Isles got 5 straight powerplays to the Sens 0 - and trust me, there were calls to make on both sides. Late in the game Fisher was interfered while going for a lose puck and Kovalev was wretched to the ground in the offensive zone...no calls.

The refs didn't hand anything to anyone.

ergo, the Sens got gifted another goal that shouldn't have been counted.

their second consecutive one-goal win resulting from an illegal goal allowed.

JaysCyYoung
10-09-2009, 01:25 PM
These things tend to even out over the course of a season. Ottawa won't continue getting these sort of breaks forever.

zeke
10-09-2009, 01:25 PM
Hey zeke, did you see Black Magic's first goal last night? Pretty sweet snapshot from the high slot to beat Chris Mason.

a very Iginla-like snapshot, I thought.

corksens
10-09-2009, 01:28 PM
ergo, the Sens got gifted another goal that shouldn't have been counted.

their second consecutive one-goal win resulting from an illegal goal allowed.Except the Donovan goal wasn't illegal.

corksens
10-09-2009, 01:31 PM
So Corky, what's the deal with Kovalev? Is he getting chances just not scoring or does he suck so far? I got him in my pool and I'm debating if I should bench him or not ...How smart am I...


Clouston also switched up the first and second lines, by swapping Nick Foligno and Daniel Alfredsson, because there was "not enough production from our top two lines." http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=294295

So it looks like top-2 lines will be...

Foligno - Spezza - Michalek
Alfie - Fisher - Kovalev

Hopefully that gets Kovy going.

leaffan2005
10-09-2009, 01:32 PM
Except the Donovan goal wasn't illegal.

I'm pretty sure it has been established that it was. Some angles were inconclusive, so they stuck with the bad call on the ice, but it was pretty clear that it was over.

But regardless, that is two straight games that a questionable goal went in the Sens' favor. Maybe Bettman wants them back in the playoff picture? :)

number17
10-09-2009, 01:40 PM
How smart am I...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=294295

So it looks like top-2 lines will be...

Foligno - Spezza - Michalek
Alfie - Fisher - Kovalev

Hopefully that gets Kovy going.Ok, Kovy's back in the lineup for this Sat then.

That said, I think they should put Alfie - Spezza - Kovy together!!! :)

CTheBigPicture
10-09-2009, 01:58 PM
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=294295

I've never understood fights during practice.

zeke
10-09-2009, 02:03 PM
Except the Donovan goal wasn't illegal.

two illegal goals, two 1-goal "wins".

wins*

2*-1-0

zeke
10-09-2009, 02:04 PM
How smart am I...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=294295

So it looks like top-2 lines will be...

Foligno - Spezza - Michalek
Alfie - Fisher - Kovalev

Hopefully that gets Kovy going.

I think mbow really nailed it last year when he mentioned that the Spezza-alfie-heatley connection may have been one of those magic chemistry experiements that let players score well above their level for a couple of years (like the Bertuzzi-Naslund-Morrison connection).

Not so sure we can expect much more than PPG type production from spezza and alfie going forward.

LeafOfFaith
10-09-2009, 02:13 PM
But certainly from Heatley, based on what he's doing in SJ.

Could be he was the magic.

LeafOfFaith
10-09-2009, 04:43 PM
Yikes, Johan Franzen out for 4 months with an ACL tear.

zeke
10-09-2009, 05:02 PM
ouch.

JaysCyYoung
10-09-2009, 05:20 PM
Well there goes the wing depth on one of my fantasy squads.

Fitzgerald#11
10-09-2009, 05:55 PM
dang it

MindzEye
10-09-2009, 06:15 PM
and this is why those big contracts can turn ugly in a hurry. That's a major knee injury for a big dude, will he be quite as good as he was before the injury ever again?

The Dipietro contract is already a disaster...and I think going forward we're going to see at minimum, 50% of these mega length deals ending up badly for the team that signs it.

LeafOfFaith
10-09-2009, 06:27 PM
All those deals were super stupid from the get-go.

How can one possibly account for team need or player performance a decade into the future??

Blueman
10-09-2009, 09:18 PM
Wow the Wings will be hurting this year - no Hossa, Hudler, Samuelsson, Franzen, etc

How the heck is Leino supposed to make up for all that?

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-10-2009, 02:34 PM
Despite all the losses offensively, the key for the Wings will goaltending. If they can improve on the poor goaltending they received last year and they become at least closer to average, that will help to offset the likely decline in offensive output.

zeke
10-10-2009, 02:36 PM
unfortunately, Osgood only looks worse this year.

and if Lidstrom finally starts succumbing to age, they might be in some real trouble over there.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-10-2009, 02:38 PM
I don't understand why the Wings didn't sign Emery or Anderson.

I think they will make a move for a goalteder if Osgood continues to struggle.

axlsalinger
10-10-2009, 02:43 PM
They've had Jimmy Howard waiting in the wings for quite a while. But is he ready for the challenge? I guess we'll soon find out.

Kritter
10-10-2009, 03:07 PM
I don't understand why the Wings didn't sign Emery or Anderson.

I think they will make a move for a goalteder if Osgood continues to struggle.

Toskala is available.

zeke
10-10-2009, 05:54 PM
that might not be as crazy an idea as it sounds.

MindzEye
10-10-2009, 06:05 PM
they don't have the cap space for Toskala, and I doubt would be willing to give up anything of value to get him.

habs25th
10-10-2009, 06:09 PM
that might not be as crazy an idea as it sounds.

There has to be better options, Toskala isn't really an improvement on Osgood.

MindzEye
10-10-2009, 06:36 PM
I could see them going after Giguere, something along the lines of Kronwall + to get it done and manage the contracts involved. Maybe Harding in Minny..maybe Quick or Ersberg from L.A if they're willing to scrap the barrel.

There really aren't many goaltenders likely to be available.

zeke
10-10-2009, 07:10 PM
they don't have the cap space for Toskala, and I doubt would be willing to give up anything of value to get him.

they do with Franzen's injury.

number17
10-10-2009, 07:15 PM
Osgood > Toskala ...

JaysCyYoung
10-10-2009, 07:16 PM
Osbad > Toskagoal.

blkngldbabe
10-10-2009, 07:47 PM
Toskagoal??? :eek(16): :smilielol5:

BeLeafer
10-10-2009, 08:15 PM
Tukka Rask stops 16 first period shots.

Fitzgerald#11
10-10-2009, 08:17 PM
at this rate there going to get Taylor Hall from us too...

BeLeafer
10-10-2009, 10:59 PM
STOP THE PRESSES!

Alex Steen just scored a goal!

BeLeafer
10-10-2009, 11:08 PM
Comrie picks the corner on Price to give Quinn's boys a 1-0 lead over the Habs.

Go Quinn Go!!!

Habsy
10-10-2009, 11:22 PM
puck went off the defenders stick, look at it again.

BeLeafer
10-10-2009, 11:34 PM
:goal

BeLeafer
10-10-2009, 11:39 PM
Oh boy, Habs came out strong in this one, but are now down by 3.

BeLeafer
10-10-2009, 11:49 PM
Hawks are done if they don't find another goalie.

mbow30
10-11-2009, 01:48 AM
Ozzy just put together a pair of solid efforts (32/34 and 22/24) in a couple of 3-2 W's over two good teams (Chicago and Washington). He's definitely better than Toskala.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-12-2009, 10:40 AM
Osgood hasn't played more than 46 games since 03/04. They still may need to shore up the goaltending even if Osgood has a rebound season.

Blueman
10-12-2009, 01:10 PM
NYI will be looking to trade one of Biron or Roloson once Dipietro gets back.

mbow30
10-12-2009, 01:17 PM
Osgood hasn't played more than 46 games since 03/04. They still may need to shore up the goaltending even if Osgood has a rebound season.

Yeah, but Toskala isn't shoring up anybody's goaltending, he's making it worse.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-12-2009, 01:24 PM
I never suggested that Detroit should trade for Toskala. It wouldn't be wise for any team, this early in the season, to take on that 4 mill contract. Maybe closer to the deadline, it would make some sense.

I think they should've seriously looked at Anderson or Emery in the offseason. Maybe look at Harding or one of the Isles goalies now.

mbow30
10-12-2009, 01:30 PM
It won't make sense at any point because Toskala stinks.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-12-2009, 01:33 PM
Toronto goalies are typically so overrated that i'm sure a few organizations think that if he played infront of 'a better defense', he'd be useful. At least, that's what I'm hoping.

But I agree, he stinks and he's a liability.

mbow30
10-12-2009, 01:53 PM
Why the hell did LA trade Kyle Quincey? For a guy who packs as much talent as he does, makes as little money as he does and has performed in the NHL as well as he has he sure has bounced around a lot in his young career. Detroit couldn't make room for him and had some other youngsters they preferred, fine. But why did LA get rid of a guy who anchored their powerplay nicely last year and put up a very respectable 38 points in 72 games? What a coup for Colorado. They're one period into this afternoon's game and he has already tallied another assist. 6 points in less than 5 games.

Granted, I don't think that LA is complaining about how Smyth has played so far. But still, considering his cap hit and the fact that few teams seemed interested in him Quincey was a high price to pay given his age, level of talent, productivity and more importantly ridiculously modest cap hit ($525k).

LeafOfFaith
10-12-2009, 02:05 PM
Quincey is real good. Wish we had grabbed him.

theREALkoreaboy
10-12-2009, 02:07 PM
wait a sec, LoF- this thread is about "29 other teams", yet here you are making it all about the leafs. shouldnt YOU be banned too?

:out:

LeafOfFaith
10-12-2009, 02:14 PM
I'm on a LEAFS board, talking about a player on another team, and saying it would've been nice to get him on our team.

Not surprised you don't see a difference between that and hijacking every thread on the LEAFS board in a feeble attempt to prove to yourself that the SENS players are good and that the SENS have a chance. At least I hope you're convincing yourself.

bayrider
10-12-2009, 02:43 PM
Why the hell did LA trade Kyle Quincey? For a guy who packs as much talent as he does, makes as little money as he does and has performed in the NHL as well as he has he sure has bounced around a lot in his young career. Detroit couldn't make room for him and had some other youngsters they preferred, fine. But why did LA get rid of a guy who anchored their powerplay nicely last year and put up a very respectable 38 points in 72 games? What a coup for Colorado. They're one period into this afternoon's game and he has already tallied another assist. 6 points in less than 5 games.

Granted, I don't think that LA is complaining about how Smyth has played so far. But still, considering his cap hit and the fact that few teams seemed interested in him Quincey was a high price to pay given his age, level of talent, productivity and more importantly ridiculously modest cap hit ($525k).

I don't know why you think it's such a dumb trade. It was an excellent trade for both teams.

It's not even so lop sided in $ either because the Kings dumped Preissing on the Avs as well

bayrider
10-12-2009, 02:45 PM
btw, pretty kickass game in Boston right now

mbow30
10-12-2009, 03:24 PM
I don't know why you think it's such a dumb trade. It was an excellent trade for both teams.

It's not even so lop sided in $ either because the Kings dumped Preissing on the Avs as well

Don't judge the Smyth book by its cover. He is a worn down and beat up 60 point guy on the down slope earning an elite salary.

From a cap-based perspective he is a liability because he is still signed (if memory serves correct) for another 3 seasons at an astonishing $6.5mn per.

Quincey is young, cheap and anchors the powerplay. Sure, they dumped Preissing but his $2.75mn tag is not burdensome, not overpriced and certainly tradeable. As it stands LA gave up the best player in the deal (Quincey) and brought back a nightmarish contract for a good but not great player.

It was a bad trade for LA. Maybe Smyth pops 30 for them this year but even still, Quincey was a guy who made some good strides for them last season and was worth hanging on to.

Colorado has to be jumping for joy over having him AND getting out of that horrible Smyth contract right about now.

mbow30
10-12-2009, 03:34 PM
Colorado's tough to watch with all this hooking and interference.

bayrider
10-12-2009, 03:44 PM
Quincey is also a free agent next season where he'll be making a lot of money, so I wouldn't really parade around thinking they're getting a huge cut back from Smyth, especially with Preissing's $2.75M lingering around. And for all his offensive prowess, he's not really anything to brag about in his own zone.

Getting rid of Quincey has also has paid dividends for Doughty. Both are one of 3 or 4 defensemen to record a point in every single game of the season.

axlsalinger
10-12-2009, 03:50 PM
They may very well regret giving up Quincey down the road, but this is a team with a lot of young prospects that has been spinning its wheels for a long time. They want to get into the playoffs NOW, and Smyth gives them a better chance than Quincey to do that. He also addresses what was apparently a lack of leadership in the dressing room. It was a good trade for both sides.

LeafOfFaith
10-12-2009, 04:25 PM
Exactly.

mbow30
10-12-2009, 04:57 PM
They may very well regret giving up Quincey down the road, but this is a team with a lot of young prospects that has been spinning its wheels for a long time. They want to get into the playoffs NOW, and Smyth gives them a better chance than Quincey to do that. He also addresses what was apparently a lack of leadership in the dressing room. It was a good trade for both sides.

I'm not sure that trading your #2 (and arguably top) defenseman, best puck mover and most reliable powerplay QB puts them closer to the playoffs, Smyth or no Smyth. More to the point you look at their blueline and the one thing that really jumps out at you is the lack of puck movers. Lombardi has put an enormous amount of pressure on Doughty to develop into a reliable powerplay QB and big minutes eater (lucky for them he seems to be up to the challenge). But Johnson as well, who I just don't see panning out into more than a #3 guy. Besides those two the defense is very thin as far as talent is concerned--Dreweskie, O'Donnell, Greene and Scuderi. All pretty hard nosed but all fairly inept in terms of puck possession and movement.

That's a big hole as the Pens and Sens all but proved last season.

axlsalinger
10-12-2009, 06:08 PM
Well, Quincey's a guy who had played 13 NHL games before last season's 72, a 4th round pick who came out of nowhere. Not really a guy you can count on if you have a very young team and are desperate to make the playoffs. In fact the jury's still out, although he's obviously off to a good start this year.

Doughty is a huge talent, I don't think it's much of a stretch to expect him to QB a power play. And they must feel that Johnson and some of their other young guys made him expendable.

Not saying it's a brilliant trade or a slam-dunk, just that it makes sense to add some veteran leadership to that team, and you gotta give up something to get something.

LeafOfFaith
10-12-2009, 06:20 PM
Doughty with the game winner today. 6 points in 5 games so far.

It's depressing how much better he is than Schenn and only picked three spots before him.

LeafOfFaith
10-12-2009, 06:21 PM
Then again, to his credit, Schenn is going at a 41 point clip so far after four games.

I wonder how much offensive potential there is in him to go along with the defensive game.

JaysCyYoung
10-12-2009, 06:23 PM
It's not fair to compare Doughty to Schenn when the former was a legitimate first overall pick quality.

LeafOfFaith
10-12-2009, 06:24 PM
Only point I'm making is, it's not like they were picks in separate rounds or anything. We're talking three measly slots.

JaysCyYoung
10-12-2009, 06:25 PM
And in the draft that's a potentially massive difference when you're talking about the first three picks.

axlsalinger
10-12-2009, 06:26 PM
Yeah, everyone expected it to go Stamkos-Doughty, just like everyone expected it to go Tavares-Hedman this year. The only real question was, is there a chance the d-man goes first?

Habsy
10-12-2009, 06:33 PM
That was a sick draft for defensemen. They say Pietrangelo is awesome as well but there is just no room currently for him.

BeLeafer
10-12-2009, 09:22 PM
Like I was saying above, if the Hawks don't find a goaltender they are ****ed. 5-1 after the first. Huet gave up 3 on 5 shots, then the no namer came in and gave up 2 more on his first 3 shots. Time to go shopping.

Meanwhile, Quinn - unsurprisingly - has the Oilers offense firing. 4-0 after one against the defensively sound Predators.

bayrider
10-12-2009, 09:59 PM
Theodore just made 2 amazing saves in OT

Wayward DP
10-12-2009, 10:28 PM
6-1 Oilers after two.

This improves them to 3-1-1 I believe. And I'm not sure if they've trailed by more than a goal yet. Watched some of their game against the Habs on Saturday....

boy do I miss Patty. He just gets those guys to fackin play. His teams outwork you, outhit you, and really make it miserable to play against. Plus you could just see his trademarked balanced lines... Jacques with Hemsky and Horc, Stone with Gagner and O'Sully/Brule (can't remember), then the big body of Penner with skilled Comrie, plus giving Cogliano room to work on the 4th line with the bangers.

Man I miss those Quinn Leafs teams.

Especially with how bloody awful a job Wilson has done to start the season. Ugh

LeafOfFaith
10-12-2009, 10:30 PM
What I'm curious about is, let's say we start off 0-7-1 or something like that.

Does Burke have the stones to can Wilson, or will Wilson just get the Toskala treatment as a coach?

axlsalinger
10-12-2009, 10:34 PM
It's an interesting question. It won't happen after 8 games, but what if we are this bad after 20-30 games, like 7-20-3 or something like that?

Habsy
10-12-2009, 10:44 PM
It's an interesting question. It won't happen after 8 games, but what if we are this bad after 20-30 games, like 7-20-3 or something like that?

Then I dig up some of those awesome posts about how the leafs have one of the best defenses.

MyNameIsJonas
10-12-2009, 11:10 PM
Flames led the Hawks 5-0 after the first period

Hawks just won 6-5 in OT

BeLeafer
10-12-2009, 11:12 PM
Hey, if this season keeps going like this, I'll have a team to cheer into the playoffs - the Toronto Oilers!

CTheBigPicture
10-13-2009, 03:23 AM
Flames led the Hawks 5-0 after the first period

Hawks just won 6-5 in OT

this is a joke. The new NHL sucks.

mbow30
10-13-2009, 11:12 AM
this is a joke. The new NHL sucks.

it sucks that a team was able to come back from a five goal deficit and win in overtime?

CTheBigPicture
10-13-2009, 11:48 AM
it sucks that a team was able to come back from a five goal deficit and win in overtime?


yes it does IMO. Why watch the first two periods? just watch the last bit see who scores last. New NHL = basketball :thumbsdown:

leafman101
10-13-2009, 11:53 AM
Seriously? Why watch a game with 9 goals in the first two periods. Seriously?

CTheBigPicture
10-13-2009, 11:57 AM
not sure what you are asking there leafman101... are you wondering why I don't like 9 goals being scored? or you don't like it either?

leafman101
10-13-2009, 11:58 AM
I think you're nuts...No offense.

Alright, maybe some.

CTheBigPicture
10-13-2009, 12:02 PM
haha,
sorry I like solid defencive play. Watching the puck go behind the goalie on every shot doesn't interest me. Pre lock out NHL (yes even with the trap) > new NHL IMO. I just don't find myself holding my breath anymore. It used to be like that every game.

and I agree. Generally, I am somewhat nuts. ;D

UWHabs
10-13-2009, 12:10 PM
haha,
sorry I like solid defencive play. Watching the puck go behind the goalie on every shot doesn't interest me. Pre lock out NHL (yes even with the trap) > new NHL IMO. I just don't find myself holding my breath anymore. It used to be like that every game.

and I agree. Generally, I am somewhat nuts. ;D

It's good and bad. I prefer watching the hard fought 3-2 win than the run and gun 6-5 win, true, but there's something to be said for being able to come back from 5 goals down.

Just like one of the reasons why I prefer the CFL to the NFL is that in the CFL, if you're up by 2TDs with 3 minutes left, it's not entirely out of reach. But good luck in the NFL coming back from that (given that if you're out of timeouts, the team in the lead can blow 2 minutes without even getting a first down).

JaysCyYoung
10-13-2009, 12:55 PM
Did someone seriously just say that the trapping era was superior to post lock-out? Yeesh. It's a good thing Samooli wasn't a fan of the NHL in the early 1990s, lol.

CTheBigPicture
10-13-2009, 12:59 PM
:D, once again though, there is one main thing I miss in the new NHL: it seemed like I held my breath everytime the Leafs were on the attack and everytime they were defending.

now? well that just doesn't happen. The Leafs on the attack? oh well, even if we score the other guys can easily tie the game. The Leafs on D? oh well, even if they score, the Leafs can easily tie the game.

the suspense is simply not there.

LeafOfFaith
10-13-2009, 01:40 PM
Would be nice if we had "easily tied" even one of the last four games.

CTheBigPicture
10-13-2009, 01:42 PM
despite looking awful, maybe up until the later goals, I thought we could come back still. They scored, we scored, they scored we scored etc.

that's just bball on ice.

mbow30
10-13-2009, 01:50 PM
CTBP, I think you're confusing the Leafs' experiences post-lockout with the rest of the league's. The leafs have gotten into their share of shootouts because they have been a mediocre team with horrible goaltending.

I don't see what's so awful about teams being able to come back from a five goal deficit. That, frankly, is pretty damn exciting hockey.

Of course, as we all remember from those two games against the Blues, 5 goal comebacks happened pre-lockout.

BeLeafer
10-13-2009, 06:07 PM
Yeah, not sure why a game like that would qualify as post-lockout crap. Heck, they weren't even powerplay goals.

Games like that are about as exciting as they come.

drewser
10-13-2009, 09:05 PM
Stralman just got his first goal as a Blue Jacket

CTheBigPicture
10-14-2009, 06:56 AM
it's a matter of opinion then. There is no suspense when I know teams can come back from 2-3 goal deficits each and every night. IMO, at least for me, suspense is a big part of sports. I appreciate skill sure, but goals from a one timer, or a wrist shot, or a two on one breakaways etc. just aren't enough for me to be willing to forgo suspense. The new NHL has very little of that.

mbow30
10-14-2009, 10:30 AM
Isn't that kind of opposite to reality, though? Isn't there more suspense in a game where a team can come back from a 2 or 3 goal deficit than in a game where once a team gets a 2 goal lead they go into lockdown mode, stifle any offense and have all but guaranteed a victory?

I see plenty of suspense in the first case.. and absolutely none in teh second.

JaysCyYoung
10-14-2009, 11:34 AM
Isn't that kind of opposite to reality, though? Isn't there more suspense in a game where a team can come back from a 2 or 3 goal deficit than in a game where once a team gets a 2 goal lead they go into lockdown mode, stifle any offense and have all but guaranteed a victory?

I see plenty of suspense in the first case.. and absolutely none in teh second.

This is what I was thinking. Samooli, your logic makes no sense when you consider how it was virtually impossible to come back into a game in the pre-lockout era when the trap and other defensive measures could stifle a game and simply allow teams to sit on leads. Where is the suspense in that?

zeke
10-14-2009, 02:56 PM
Yup.

The ability to reasonably expect your team to be able to come back from any given defecit in any given game is crucial to it being an exciting spectacle.

CTheBigPicture
10-14-2009, 02:57 PM
you know, when you put it into words your logic definitely makes more sense than mine here. However, I am just reporting on how I felt then and how I feel now when I watch hockey games. The fact that every next shot could mean the end of the game (although it didn't mean the absolute end as other teams still did come back at times), added a suspense to the game that I don't feel now.

Right now, if someone asks me about NHL hockey, I'd just tell them to watch the final period.
It's not the 'coming back' part that adds suspense for me (in fact all that does is devalue every goal that is scored), it's the fact that every shot could end up being the winner that did so before.

now I am not forcing my opinion on anyone here (this is not an argument based on facts like a trade), as mentioned, I am just reporting how I feel when I watch these games. It's even worst in the playoffs for me. I remember watching the Oilers and the Stars' series for example and being glued to the TV because I knew that everyone of the players on the ice understood that one mistake could cost them the game and the series. I don't think players feel the same now. I can just hear the conversations in the locker room:

Thornton to himself before the game: "hmm slept late last night. Good thing we have 60 minutes, I'll take a few shifts off."

sharks down 3-0 after first, 4-1 after second.

Thornton to Pavelski: "ok, let's at least tie this up now. I am over the hangover. We have 20 minutes. more than enough to score 3-4."


as opposed to prelock out:

Thornton to himself: "holy crap. slept late last night, this one's gonna be tough." he then proceeds to play his ass of for 60 minutes rather than 20.



maybe I am pushing it, just trying to explain how I feel when I am watching these games. They really do remind me of bball.

EDIT: ps. I do understand that if you consistently take shifts off you may be down 10-0. My point is that players and fans alike don't seem to be on the edge as much. At least I'm not.

UWHabs
10-14-2009, 03:21 PM
It is true in some ways. The older way, you get down 1-0, okay, no big deal. Down 2-0 - hmm, start taking some chances, since you know if you get down 3-0, the game is over and you have basically no chance at it. They're exciting in different ways.

axlsalinger
10-14-2009, 03:29 PM
Samooli must be a soccer fan. If it gets all the way up to 1-0, it's almost over, so every goal is extremely important.

CTheBigPicture
10-14-2009, 04:04 PM
I don't mind soccer. The field is a bit too big for my taste though. I still like scoring chances :D

leafman101
10-14-2009, 04:09 PM
Pre-lockout hockey fans were never on edge because nothing remotely exciting ever happened. It was boring, shitty hockey.

Whats great about the game is seeing the skill, not having the skill suffocated by guys with none.

Teams shouldn't be able to score 2 goals early and then sit back the rest of the game and clog the neutral zone. There is nothing exciting about that. Nothing at all.

You are essentially saying you loved the first 10 minutes of a game, because you knew after that it would be boring as shit.

leafman101
10-14-2009, 04:12 PM
And in bball you don't have to watch the first 3/4 of the game because with 4 minutes left 9 times out of 10 the game will be close and decided there.

The same isn't remotely true of hockey. Usually teams with leads going into the 3rd win. At a pretty high percentage too.

leafman101
10-14-2009, 04:14 PM
So far this year 19 teams have a 1.00 winning percentage when leading after two. No team who has led after two has a winning percentage less than .500.

Last year no team was under .680.

That means less than 30% of games are decided in the 3rd period, and without doing the math its probably about 13% (the 15th team had a .867 winning percentage leading after two). This doesn't include games which are tied after two, but thats not what you are complaining about.

JaysCyYoung
10-14-2009, 04:24 PM
As an aside I think it's worth noting just how bloody good Tyler Myers looks in Buffalo right now. Last night he led a rush, cut in from the left side, put a shot on net and the Sabres scored on the rebound. He's a beautiful skater for such a giraffe of a man.

zeke
10-14-2009, 04:58 PM
The kid is fantastic.

Like a bigger Bouwmeester.

mbow30
10-14-2009, 05:02 PM
Myers >> Schenn:frown2:

Fitzgerald#11
10-14-2009, 07:19 PM
Anyone else just find out Centre on Rogers is free this month?

Habsy
10-14-2009, 08:04 PM
It's been free everywhere until the 23rd of October.

zeke
10-14-2009, 08:05 PM
really?

damn.

Fitzgerald#11
10-14-2009, 08:06 PM
I love how they never really advertise there doing it and you end up finding out till the last few days

drewser
10-14-2009, 09:02 PM
Wow Cam Ward just had what should be the save of the year... Guerin absolutely robbed!

JaysCyYoung
10-16-2009, 01:10 PM
Last night's attendance in Phoenix: 6,089. Montreal Expos territory. Why isn't this team in Hamilton again?

axlsalinger
10-16-2009, 01:12 PM
Last night's attendance in Phoenix: 6,089. :eek(16):

Wow.

They got that many?

JaysCyYoung
10-16-2009, 01:14 PM
That was PAID attendance. The actual number of people at the gate was fewer.

number17
10-16-2009, 01:18 PM
Teams with extremely low attendance actually buyback some of their tickets themselves, just so that they can meet the minimum attedance requirement for revenue sharing.

Nashville and a few teams did that last season.

axlsalinger
10-16-2009, 01:20 PM
In this case, the NHL owns the Coyotes. I'd like to see the NHL buy back a bunch of tickets, just to get around the NHL's revenue sharing requirements. :lol

leafman101
10-16-2009, 01:26 PM
The team won't be in Phoenix next year. That much is clear.

From the sounds of that Quebec thing earlier this week, I wouldn't be shocked at all if that is where they end up.

JaysCyYoung
10-16-2009, 01:32 PM
I'm a little skeptical of the Nordiques II proposition, not because I think that Quebec couldn't support a team (I would LOVE to see those beautiful Fleur-de-Lies jerseys back), but because I don't have the confidence in Quebec politicians to actually come to an agreement on the stadium arrangements.

Kritter
10-16-2009, 02:25 PM
A problem that Quebec City would face is the city itself. Players would face the same tax problem they do in Montreal. I also doubt there are any english schools there, so if you are an english speaking player with an english speaking wife with english speaking kids ..... kinda tough.

JaysCyYoung
10-16-2009, 02:32 PM
I believe habs25th mentioned that there were quite a few English language schools available, but don't quote me on that one.

zeke
10-16-2009, 02:34 PM
Well, I guess QC might be a more attractive place to live than Edmonton. That's about it, though.

number17
10-16-2009, 02:37 PM
Well, I guess QC might be a more attractive place to live than Edmonton. That's about it, though.If you speak French, that is ... ;)

I love visiting Quebec city, don't get me wrong, just not sure I want to live there since i don't speak French.

Artnes
10-16-2009, 02:40 PM
This place gets a bum wrap but it's not that bad here. I think it mostly has to do with it hitting -40 during the season and being one of the top 5 murder cities in Canada...

leafman101
10-16-2009, 02:48 PM
Wow Cam Ward just had what should be the save of the year... Guerin absolutely robbed!

YouTube - Cam Ward Unbelievable Save vs Pittsburgh Penguins (HD)

zeke
10-16-2009, 02:52 PM
What's a bum wrap?

is that like tighty whities?

or is that like a carboard box over a subway grate?

Artnes
10-16-2009, 02:54 PM
diaper?

Metalleaf
10-16-2009, 02:55 PM
Heh, apparently the Habs had 7 players on the ice in the dying seconds last night and the officials missed it.

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2009/10/15/counting-to-7-is-hard-for-nhl-officials/#cont

Good thing the Habs didn't score.

hairnova
10-16-2009, 02:56 PM
Yes they did.

http://habsinsideout.com/files/hio/imagecache/bigimage/images/ept_sports_nhl_experts-453123314-1255667824.jpg

corksens
10-16-2009, 03:10 PM
That's hilarious.

JaysCyYoung
10-16-2009, 03:12 PM
:nono

UWHabs
10-16-2009, 03:18 PM
I do remember thinking we seemed to have a lot of people out there. I remember we did that in Calgary a couple years ago and did score the tying goal with the extra guy out there.

LeafOfFaith
10-16-2009, 03:19 PM
Wow.

Maybe it actually only adds up to 6 regular players when you consider the heights of the 7 guys in the aggregate.

Habsy
10-16-2009, 04:33 PM
Heh, apparently the Habs had 7 players on the ice in the dying seconds last night and the officials missed it.

http://nhl.fanhouse.com/2009/10/15/counting-to-7-is-hard-for-nhl-officials/#cont

Good thing the Habs didn't score.


The officiating last night was atrocious. Right down to missing 7 red jerseys. How the **** do you miss that?

Wayward DP
10-16-2009, 04:42 PM
It's a conspiracy

Habsy
10-16-2009, 04:56 PM
It's incompetence.

MindzEye
10-16-2009, 05:00 PM
an incompetent conspiracy?

teeds
10-16-2009, 07:03 PM
You guys need a still photo showing the obvious. The non calls and calls that occur every game are so obvious to anyone who knows the fixing that goes on behind the scenes. Tis a garage league, and I shan't be going to any games any time soon.