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MindzEye
10-27-2009, 05:17 PM
Started one of these a few months back and it went strong for a little while, but died off. May as well resurrect it.



Scientologists convicted of Fraud in France


A French court has convicted the Church of Scientology of fraud, but stopped short of banning the group from operating in France.

Two branches of the group's operations and several of its leaders in France have been fined.

The case came after complaints from two women, one of whom said she was manipulated into paying more than 20,000 euros (ฃ18,100) in the 1990s.

A Scientology spokesman told the BBC the verdict was "all bark and no bite".

France regards Scientology as a sect, not a religion.

Prosecutors had asked for the group's French operations to be dissolved and more heavily fined, but a legal loophole prevented any ban.

Instead, a Paris judge ordered the Church's Celebrity Centre and a bookshop to pay a 600,000-euro fine.

Alain Rosenberg, the group's head in France, was handed a two-year suspended jail sentence and fined 30,000 euros.

Three other leading members of the group were also fined.

The article goes on to mention that a total ban on the "church" may still be possible.

(forgot to link it, but this was a BBC report)

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 05:18 PM
another advance in Cancer research

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-10/uor-sdg102609.php


Despite a 30-year lifespan that gives ample time for cells to grow cancerous, a small rodent species called a naked mole rat has never been found with tumors of any kind—and now biologists at the University of Rochester think they know why.

The findings, presented in today's issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, show that the mole rat's cells express a gene called p16 that makes the cells "claustrophobic," stopping the cells' proliferation when too many of them crowd together, cutting off runaway growth before it can start. The effect of p16 is so pronounced that when researchers mutated the cells to induce a tumor, the cells' growth barely changed, whereas regular mouse cells became fully cancerous.

"We think we've found the reason these mole rats don't get cancer, and it's a bit of a surprise," say Vera Gorbunova and Andrei Seluanov, professors of biology at the University of Rochester and lead investigators on the discovery. "It's very early to speculate about the implications, but if the effect of p16 can be simulated in humans we might have a way to halt cancer before it starts."

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 05:21 PM
http://www.sportsrubbish.com/2009/10/26/soccer/entire-colombian-soccer-team-murdered/

say what you want, but we never take our shit half as seriously


Ten members of an amateur Colombian soccer team called Los Maniceros (The Peanut Vendors) have been found dead in Venezuela.

The team had been missing since October 11th after traveling to Chururu for a match. On that day, police say 25 armed men stormed the field and “asked the referee for the list of players on the Los Maniceros team, called out the players’ names, lined them up and took them to an unknown destination.”

On Saturday, 10 bodies were found in various locations around the area. One “lucky” player managed to survive the ordeal, but had been shot in the neck and is still recovering in a hospital.

theREALkoreaboy
10-27-2009, 05:22 PM
how much you wanna bet that "lucky" player's "luck" runs out pretty soon and they end up getting him anyways?

Bleedsblue&white
10-27-2009, 05:22 PM
YouTube - Kim Possible- Naked Mole Rap

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 05:34 PM
how much you wanna bet that "lucky" player's "luck" runs out pretty soon and they end up getting him anyways?

It depends on if these guys were targeted specifically, or if they were just wrong place, wrong time and killed as a political statement.

zeke
10-27-2009, 06:04 PM
Obama > Jesus

da_next_kid
10-27-2009, 06:07 PM
Fox News > Obama so therefore Fox News > Jesus. Conservative America in a paradox :D

SundinsTooth
10-27-2009, 06:11 PM
Remember DC sniper?

Set for his comeuppance soon....

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9BJIG986&show_article=1

Have a nice trip ****tard.

Interesting that he got the choice of electrocution and lethal injection and he chose neither. I would have gone for the needle, myself.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 06:17 PM
It's cases like this where I'm torn on an ideological level. I'm against capitol punishment 99% of the times...but this is one of those 1% cases where the slayings were brutal, cold, & calculated and a person like that simply doesn't deserve mercy.

da_next_kid
10-27-2009, 06:19 PM
Gotta stick to my ideologies here, no capital punishment for anyone. Make the ******* suffer, what if a person just dies and that is it you know. Gots to make sure that he suffers.

rated
10-27-2009, 06:22 PM
It depends on if these guys were targeted specifically, or if they were just wrong place, wrong time and killed as a political statement.

Its soccer in Europe... they were targeted specifically. Those guys probably werent playing too good so some angry gamblers killed them.

Vesa would of been killed 20 times by now if this was soccer :eek(16):

corksens
10-27-2009, 06:37 PM
Capital punishment all the way baby...in certain cases.

Lethal injection, quick, cost effective and make sure the families of all of the dead get to watch...and none of this one way mirror shit.

Artnes
10-27-2009, 06:56 PM
Gotta stick to my ideologies here, no capital punishment for anyone. Make the ******* suffer, what if a person just dies and that is it you know. Gots to make sure that he suffers.

I agree to exetent but I like to take it one step further. And eye for and eye. You rape, you get raped, you murder, you are murdered and so on...

Obviously this can't apply for all crimes, but the heinous ones it should apply to

Bleedsblue&white
10-27-2009, 07:02 PM
If the criminal is dead they are no longer a drain on our system.

Artnes
10-27-2009, 07:04 PM
Its the easy way out though.

Make the ****ers suffer for what they've done. They may think twice about raping someone when they are get reamed in the arse by a dry Lexington Steele dildo

Factinista
10-27-2009, 07:12 PM
I don't really have any proof handy, but I'm pretty sure capital punishment costs a lot more than life in prison.

Kick all the pot smokers out and there should be plenty of room.

And though I really don't care all that much if a murder/rapist/diddler dies or not, we really can't kill people and call ourselves a civilized society. Plus, like others mentioned, it's a far worse punishment to let these scumbags rot in jail for half a century.

And wanting to actually watch someone die, no matter what they did, is pretty ****ed up.

da_next_kid
10-27-2009, 07:14 PM
I think Capital punishment are a huge disservice to our justice system, you have to understand that some of these miserable mother ****ers are not afraid of death. If you keep them locked in a hell hole, that is where they will truly suffer.

Artnes
10-27-2009, 07:17 PM
And wanting to actually watch someone die, no matter what they did, is pretty ****ed up.

What if it's your daughter or wife that gets raped and murdered, would you mind watching it then or be like me and want to kill the ****er with your own bare hands.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 07:19 PM
the problem I have with letting someone who isn't able to be rehabilitated (and in this case, I'd say that tag is apt) is that I want no part in paying 40-50K per year for the next 50 years to watch him rot.

Seriously...that's 2.5 million dollars spent (quite a bit higher total number as well when you factor in inflation over that time period) that could have been put to much better use by society.

I firmly believe that most criminals can be rehabilitated, but for the ones that can't....well, see, there's my 1% problem.

Factinista
10-27-2009, 07:23 PM
I know it's easy for me to say, but I can't imagine ever wanting to WATCH someone die.

Would I want them to no longer be alive? Not sure, but I could see myself bending on that one. Not to say that it would be the 'right' reaction.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 07:24 PM
I'd be more likely to hope the guy gets off on a technicality so I can plan a brilliant and agonizing death for the prick myself.

But I'll be honest, I'm not entirely right in the head.

Factinista
10-27-2009, 07:25 PM
the problem I have with letting someone who isn't able to be rehabilitated (and in this case, I'd say that tag is apt) is that I want no part in paying 40-50K per year for the next 50 years to watch him rot.

Seriously...that's 2.5 million dollars spent (quite a bit higher total number as well when you factor in inflation over that time period) that could have been put to much better use by society.

I firmly believe that most criminals can be rehabilitated, but for the ones that can't....well, see, there's my 1% problem.

If money is the biggest issue, capital punishment costs a lot more. I'll look for some proof.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 07:26 PM
Please do, because that seems really counter intuitive.

Factinista
10-27-2009, 07:27 PM
First article that came up when I googled:

http://law.jrank.org/pages/5002/Capital-Punishment-COSTS-CAPITAL-PUNISHMENT.html

Bleedsblue&white
10-27-2009, 07:33 PM
I don't really have any proof handy, but I'm pretty sure capital punishment costs a lot more than life in prison.

.

And wanting to actually watch someone die, no matter what they did, is pretty ****ed up.

Point 1...how do you figure?

Point 2...I agree, but I'd have to be in the victims' families shoes to know for sure. There may be some closure there.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 07:34 PM
read it...interesting.

I guess that's proof that the U.S can systemically **** anything up. I agree that the burden of the proof should be much higher for a death sentence conviction but having a convoluted appeals process that costs (in 1990 dollars) 275K per appeal....wow

Bleedsblue&white
10-27-2009, 07:35 PM
Okay I saw your link for point one, but that's just our usual bloatware legal system at work...that can be fixed.

corksens
10-27-2009, 07:52 PM
I don't really have any proof handy, but I'm pretty sure capital punishment costs a lot more than life in prison.

Kick all the pot smokers out and there should be plenty of room.

And though I really don't care all that much if a murder/rapist/diddler dies or not, we really can't kill people and call ourselves a civilized society. Plus, like others mentioned, it's a far worse punishment to let these scumbags rot in jail for half a century.

And wanting to actually watch someone die, no matter what they did, is pretty ****ed up.That's an old myth...but the cost of killing an inmate is so high because of the appeals process.

Get rid of that outlet, and the fact that most inmates sit in prison for 10+ years and you have a cost effective way of dealing with societies WORST.

corksens
10-27-2009, 07:53 PM
Edit: I see you posted that link re: appeals being the major cost.

Good to see I remembered some things from University.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 07:56 PM
That's an old myth...but the cost of killing an inmate is so high because of the appeals process.

Get rid of that outlet, and the fact that most inmates sit in prison for 10+ years and you have a cost effective way of dealing with societies WORST.

Well, I don't think you're doing society any favours by eliminating the appeals process, though streamlining it is definitely something that would have to be considered.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 08:00 PM
To keep with our law & order theme so far

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091027/ap_on_fe_st/us_feces_smear


SAN DIEGO – A man who sneaked a bag of his feces into a San Diego courtroom during his home-invasion robbery trial, smeared it on his lawyer and threw it at jurors has been sentenced to 31 years in prison.

Superior Court Judge Frank Brown on Monday sentenced Weusi McGowan for robbery, burglary and two assault charges stemming from the feces-flinging incident during his January trial.

McGowan, who attorneys say suffers from mental illness, had asked for a mistrial because he believed jurors had seen him in restraints when he entered the courtroom.

Several days after his request was denied, McGowan pulled out a bag of excrement he had hidden in his clothing, rubbed it on his lawyer and tossed it at the jury, hitting one juror's computer case.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 08:03 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091027/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_korea_north_defect


SEOUL (Reuters) – A South Korean man who worked at Samsung Electronics' semiconductor unit and more recently at a pig farm has defected to the communist North by walking across the heavily mined border, the North's state media said on Tuesday.

Crossings are rare through the razor-wire and land-mined Demilitarised Zone buffer that divides the peninsula. But defections to the impoverished North from the affluent South are even rarer, with the last one likely taking place about four years ago.

The rival Koreas remain technically at war because they never replaced the armistice ending their 1950-53 conflict with a peace treaty.

"He is beside himself with joy for having accomplished this heroic deed," the North's KCNA news agency said. It identified the defector as Kang Dong-rim, 30.

South Korea's military and spy agency could not immediately confirm the report.

"He is now under the warm care of a relevant organ," KCNA said.

Since 2006, more than 2,000 North Koreans a year have defected to the South after crossing the longer and less perilous border with China. More than 16,000 North Koreans have defected to the South since 1953.

In 2005, KCNA said a man sailed through a volley of bullets to defect to the North. The South's military said at the time his family suspected he was drunk.

zeke
10-27-2009, 08:04 PM
What are the numbers now on convicted murderers having their sentences overturned due to DNA evidence?

something ridiculous, I think.

Factinista
10-27-2009, 08:22 PM
Edit: I see you posted that link re: appeals being the major cost.

Good to see I remembered some things from University.

If you're going to kill someone, you better make damn sure you've got the right guy. And like zeke said, the number of wrongful murder convictions is pretty scary.

zeke
10-27-2009, 08:28 PM
though I guess we can now say go for it if there's clear DNA evidence.

theREALkoreaboy
10-27-2009, 09:11 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20091027/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_korea_north_defect

"the warm care of a relevant organ" that is f*cking hilarious.

i think i'm going to go put my wife under the "warm care of a relevant organ" now!

Factinista
10-27-2009, 09:13 PM
I think that's the first funny thing you've ever said, kb.

SundinsTooth
10-27-2009, 09:34 PM
"the warm care of a relevant organ" that is f*cking hilarious.

i think i'm going to go put my wife under the "warm care of a relevant organ" now!

Hahaha. Good stuff.

corksens
10-27-2009, 09:45 PM
though I guess we can now say go for it if there's clear DNA evidence.That's the other side of the coin.

With DNA, photo evidence, confessions, or some conclusive combination of the three...off with their head. I don't see why not...and I don't see why more than one appeal should be granted.

Volcanologist
10-27-2009, 09:51 PM
I think instead of prison they should do it like in Running Man.

Watching Malvo and Muhammed get chopped up by an electrified chainsaw would be way more satisfying than watching him humanely put to death with a boring series of medically supervised injections, no?

zeke
10-27-2009, 09:54 PM
now just plain zero.

SundinsTooth
10-27-2009, 10:00 PM
To keep with our law & order theme so far

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091027/ap_on_fe_st/us_feces_smear

Why is poop on the computer case a relevant part of that story?

SundinsTooth
10-27-2009, 10:36 PM
Just retarded.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h09shWF_3mDwwyw_EJQUWs_NJz2QD9BJF8983


Facebook to keep profiles of the dead

By BARBARA ORTUTAY (AP) – 13 hours ago

NEW YORK — Death doesn't erase the online footprints that people leave in life and Facebook won't either, though it will make some changes.

The five-year-old social network will "memorialize" profiles of the dead if their friends or family request it.

Such accounts will be different from regular Facebook profiles.

For example, the site will remove any contact information and bar people from logging in. The person's profile also won't appear in the "suggestions" section of Facebook, and only the deceased person's confirmed friends will be able to find them in a search.

The development comes as Facebook becomes an important social hub for its more than 300 million active users worldwide to keep up with friends and family.

Copyright ฉ 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.

zeke
10-27-2009, 10:37 PM
I think it's a good idea, myself.

MindzEye
10-27-2009, 10:39 PM
Great...now I have to put "and whatever you ****ing do, make sure you delete my facebook page" in my will.

SundinsTooth
10-27-2009, 10:44 PM
Although, it would be cool to have someone update your status for you.

Rob is bored to tears of Jimi Hendrix.....

PQ
10-27-2009, 10:49 PM
holy shit, 300 mill users?

SundinsTooth
10-27-2009, 10:50 PM
holy shit, 300 mill users?

It is unreal. I walk through the library at school and everyone is on it. Lecture with 300 people and 50 percent are on it.

Would love to here teeds thoughts on it.

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-27-2009, 11:05 PM
Only losers aren't on facebook

:couch

johnunit
10-27-2009, 11:15 PM
I think instead of prison they should do it like in Running Man.

Watching Malvo and Muhammed get chopped up by an electrified chainsaw would be way more satisfying than watching him humanely put to death with a boring series of medically supervised injections, no?

I've heard it suggested that the death by injection is not at all humane. Essentially, you are paralyzed before you die, and the other stuff they inject you with is incredibly painful. If you were in incredible pain, who would know? You're paralyzed. It's quite possible that from the second their eyes close to when the heart stops beating is the equivelant of a constant tasering or being chemically disolved, in terms of pain.

Volcanologist
10-27-2009, 11:32 PM
I've heard it suggested that the death by injection is not at all humane. Essentially, you are paralyzed before you die, and the other stuff they inject you with is incredibly painful. If you were in incredible pain, who would know? You're paralyzed. It's quite possible that from the second their eyes close to when the heart stops beating is the equivelant of a constant tasering or being chemically disolved, in terms of pain.

Nope, the first shot knocks them out very quickly.

Artnes
10-27-2009, 11:42 PM
euthanasia essentially

MindzEye
10-28-2009, 01:43 AM
It is unreal. I walk through the library at school and everyone is on it. Lecture with 300 people and 50 percent are on it.

Would love to here teeds thoughts on it.

Well, it was started with DARPA money, and the user agreement basically says that every scrap of information you post on it can be sold to 3rd party data agencies.

You better believe that intel agencies are covered under that and they get a discount.

worm
10-28-2009, 10:33 AM
I have a dead friend that still posts. Creepy.

JaysCyYoung
10-28-2009, 11:54 AM
Facebook was cooler when it was only for university/college students. It's unfortunately also allowed female vanity to skyrocket to levels previously unseen in the known universe, which has negative residual effects for us men.

MindzEye
10-28-2009, 06:05 PM
http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14739949


Imagine one of the American banks doing this.....


IF ICELAND is the place that has suffered most from the banking crisis, the Benelux countries can make a justifiable claim to second place. After the calamitous sale of ABN AMRO and the subsequent dismemberment of Fortis, ING, the biggest bank in the Netherlands, announced on Monday October 26th that it was splitting itself up. The bank will sell its insurance businesses, divest the American arm of its ING Direct online-banking unit and carve out some bits of its Dutch retail activities. By the time the restructuring is done, in 2013, the bank’s balance sheet will be 45% smaller than it was in September 2008.

That isn’t all. The bank also announced plans for a €7.5 billion ($11.2 billion) rights issue to help repay half the money that the Dutch government injected into ING in October last year. Investors reacted with dismay to the prospect of dilution and the uncertainty of the planned restructuring, sending the bank’s shares down sharply on Monday.

SundinsTooth
10-29-2009, 10:56 AM
Church is upset at Larry David.

http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/55330,people,news,us-catholics-upset-as-larry-david-urinates-on-a-painting-of-jesus-christ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWsQyoCMIUk

I gotta say, pretty damn funny.

mbow30
10-29-2009, 11:00 AM
the past few episodes have probably been some of the worst.

the outcry is hilarious, though.

SundinsTooth
10-29-2009, 11:04 AM
the past few episodes have probably been some of the worst.

the outcry is hilarious, though.

wow, I am think they have been amazing. The Denise Handicapped was ridiculously funny.....

j_15
10-29-2009, 11:11 AM
Facebook was cooler when it was only for university/college students. It's unfortunately also allowed female vanity to skyrocket to levels previously unseen in the known universe, which has negative residual effects for us men.

Agreed on both. I much prefered it in its simplistic initial form.

worm
10-29-2009, 11:41 AM
it tried to go all twitterish


it was cool for the first while...seeing how people from high school were up to etc etc

blacksheep
10-29-2009, 12:11 PM
What are the numbers now on convicted murderers having their sentences overturned due to DNA evidence?

something ridiculous, I think.
Certainly throws out the "kill 'em all" argument. I'm not going to volunteer to be the one who kills an innocent man. But as you said, if there is DNA evidence of his crime, does that now make a valid option? I still say no - and this is why. Cops are not always the most honest bunch. When a crime like rape, murder or diddling a child happen, they are under intense pressure by us, the public, to find the person responsible. Sometimes that means they will do anything... ANYTHING... to nail someone, anyone, for that crime. Manufactured evidence is not something new, and with DNA, all they have to do is arrest you, and then take a hair folicle back to the crime scene. Tag, you're it.

corksens
10-29-2009, 12:41 PM
In the very rare occasion that something like that COULD happen - a single hair isn't sufficient evidence to sentence someone to death.

These people are still entitled to a trial where all evidence for and against is presented. If they had DNA evidence, a confession and a slideshow...then sure. Take him out back and get it over with.

theREALkoreaboy
11-02-2009, 02:14 PM
culture of life vs. culture of death. people want to pull the plug on a 1-year old with a condition that the mayo clinic says "can almost always be treated." if this happens to be a case where it CAN'T be, then maybe i can see it, but i don't think it is at all clear that that has been established with this poor kid...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/02...ort/index.html

corksens
11-02-2009, 03:09 PM
FINALLY!!!

Canada to substantially cut refugee targets

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2172673

Factinista
11-02-2009, 03:12 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/30/drugs-adviser-david-nutt-sacked

Man fired for telling truth.

Also, "...Nutt sacked".

northernlou
11-02-2009, 03:16 PM
FINALLY!!!

Canada to substantially cut refugee targets

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2172673

Judging from the comments section, Olivia can go **** herself.

Fitzgerald#11
11-04-2009, 09:58 PM
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/article...8&in_page_id=2


Woman calls police because daughter was better at oral sex

Copping off: Woman called police to complain daughter better at oral sex than her

We all know it's a serious offence to waste police time, but try telling that to the woman who called officers to complain that her daughter had performed oral sex on her husband – and that the daughter was better at it.

The guilty off-spring was actually the step-daughter of the man, and her crime of passion in Findlay, Ohio, has caused outrage among readers of the newspaper website that reported it, thecourier.com.

Their comment page has been flooded with angry responses.

One indignant reader, Lee, thought the story sucked: ' I subscribe to The Courier but will cancel if the public record is going to be filled with details of multiple female family members servicing the male of the house. This is not news. I think any moral man or woman would call it what it is: depravity!'

Another, Jeff, spat: 'This is totally unprofessional and inappropriate for a newspaper to print.'

However, the editor of thecourier.com does have his supporters, not least one Mark Shelton, who had nothing but praise for the saucy story: 'Gotta love The Courier's docket writer! The most creative writing in any paper around. And for those that don't like it, don't read it!!'
Whatever the rights and wrongs of publicising the incident, let's just hope the daughter gets a, ahem, stiff sentence.

JaysCyYoung
11-04-2009, 10:45 PM
That's straight out of a Herschel Savage porno.

zeke
11-05-2009, 03:46 PM
Some nutbar soldier went loco at a graduation ceremony in Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 7, injuring at least 20.

zeke
11-05-2009, 03:47 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/texas.fort.hood.shootings/index.html

hockeylover
11-05-2009, 04:28 PM
Yeah, crazy, I'm watching it now.

hockeylover
11-05-2009, 04:30 PM
Some nutbar soldier went loco at a graduation ceremony in Fort Hood, Texas, killing at least 7, injuring at least 20.

I hadn't heard the graduation thing til right now.

hockeylover
11-07-2009, 03:06 PM
wtf sammy sosa???

at the latin grammys...

http://turbo.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2009/11/sammy-sosa-skin.jpg

http://www.americansuperstarmag.com/sites/default/files/images/sammy-sosa-2_0.jpg

MindzEye
11-07-2009, 03:07 PM
He's got the Michael Jackson disease or something apparently.

LeafGm
11-07-2009, 03:36 PM
What the hell? Is he even wearing blue contact lenses too?

JohnnyHolmes
11-07-2009, 03:39 PM
He's got the Michael Jackson disease or something apparently.

Money?

hockeylover
11-07-2009, 03:41 PM
Yeah, he's wearing green contact lenses.

theREALkoreaboy
11-09-2009, 01:11 PM
this is pretty sobering from steyn....

Shooter exposes hole in U.S. terror strategy

By Mark Steyn

Thirteen dead and 28 wounded would be a bad day for the U.S. military in Afghanistan and a great victory for the Taliban. When it happens in Texas, in the heart of the biggest military base in the nation, at a processing center for soldiers either returning from or deploying to combat overseas, it is not merely a "tragedy" (as too many people called it) but a glimpse of a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of what we have called, since 9/11, the "war on terror." Brave soldiers trained to hunt down and kill America's enemy abroad were killed in the safety and security of home by, in essence, the same enemy — a man who believes in and supports everything the enemy does.


And he's a U.S. Army major.


And his superior officers and other authorities knew about his beliefs but seemed to think it was just a bit of harmless multicultural diversity — as if believing that "the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor" (i.e., his fellow American soldiers) and writing Internet paeans to the "noble" "heroism" of suicide bombers and, indeed, objectively supporting the other side in an active war is to be regarded as just some kind of alternative lifestyle that adds to the general vibrancy of the base.


When it emerged early Thursday afternoon that the shooter was Nidal Malik Hasan, there appeared shortly thereafter on Twitter a flurry of posts with the striking formulation: "Please judge Maj. Malik Nadal [sic]by his actions and not by his name."


Concerned tweeters can relax: There was never really any danger of that — and not just in the sense that the New York Times' first report on Maj. Hasan never mentioned the words "Muslim" or "Islam," or that ABC's Martha Raddatz's only observation on his name was that "as for the suspect, Nadal Hasan, as one officer's wife told me, 'I wish his name was Smith.'"


What a strange reaction. I suppose what she means is that, if his name were Smith, we could all retreat back into the same comforting illusions that allowed the bureaucracy to advance Nidal Malik Hasan to major and into the heart of Fort Hood while ignoring everything that mattered about the essence of this man.


Since 9/11, we have, as the Twitterers, recommend, judged people by their actions — flying planes into skyscrapers, blowing themselves up in Bali nightclubs or London Tube trains, planting IEDs by the roadside in Baghdad or Tikrit. And on the whole we're effective at responding with action of our own.


But we're scrupulously nonjudgmental about the ideology that drives a man to fly into a building or self-detonate on the subway, and thus we have a hole at the heart of our strategy. We use rhetorical conveniences like "radical Islam" or, if that seems a wee bit Islamophobic, just plain old "radical extremism." But we never make any effort to delineate the line which separates "radical Islam" from nonradical Islam. Indeed, we go to great lengths to make it even fuzzier. And somewhere in that woozy blur the pathologies of a Nidal Malik Hasan incubate. An Army psychiatrist, Maj. Hasan is an American, born and raised, who graduated from Virginia Tech and then received his doctorate from the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md. But he opposed America's actions in the Middle East and Afghanistan and made approving remarks about jihadists on U.S. soil. "You need to lock it up, Major," said his superior officer, Col. Terry Lee.


But he didn't really need to "lock it up" at all. He could pretty much say anything he liked, and if any "red flags" were raised they were quickly mothballed. Lots of people are "anti-war." Some of them are objectively on the other side — that's to say, they encourage and support attacks on American troops and civilians. But not many of those in that latter category are U.S. Army majors. Or so one would hope.


Yet why be surprised? Azad Ali, a man who approvingly quotes such observations as "If I saw an American or British man wearing a soldier's uniform inside Iraq I would kill him because that is my obligation" is an adviser to Britain's Crown Prosecution Service (the equivalent of U.S. attorneys). In Toronto this week, the brave ex-Muslim Nonie Darwish mentioned that, on flying from the U.S. to Canada, she was questioned at length about the purpose of her visit by an apparently Muslim border official. When she revealed that she was giving a speech about Islamic law, he rebuked her: "We are not to question Shariah."


That's the guy manning the airport security desk.


In the New York Times, Maria Newman touched on Hasan's faith only obliquely: "He was single, according to the records, and he listed no religious preference." Thank goodness for that, eh? A neighbor in Texas says the major had "Allah" and "another word" pinned up in Arabic on his door. "Akbar" maybe? On Thursday morning he is said to have passed out copies of the Quran to his neighbors. He shouted in Arabic as he fired.


But don't worry: As the FBI spokesman assured us in nothing flat, there's no terrorism angle.


That's true, in a very narrow sense: Maj. Hasan is not a card-carrying member of the Texas branch of al-Qaida reporting to a control officer in Yemen or Waziristan. If he were, things would be a lot easier. But the same pathologies that drive al-Qaida beat within Maj. Hasan, too, and in the end his Islamic impulses trumped his expensive Western education, his psychiatric training, his military discipline — his entire American identity.
What happened to those men and women at Fort Hood had a horrible symbolism: Members of the best-trained, best-equipped fighting force on the planet gunned down by a guy who said a few goofy things no one took seriously. And that's the problem: America has the best troops and fiercest firepower, but no strategy for throttling the ideology that drives the enemy — in Afghanistan and in Texas.

corksens
11-09-2009, 01:16 PM
The West has been beaten down with political correctness that we are too afraid to speak out.

There were countless warning signs from the shooter...but his colleagues never made formal complaints or reports because they didn't want to be seen as racist or an islamophobe.

Sad really.

zeke
11-09-2009, 01:30 PM
there's wackos everywhere.

not much you can do about it.

CTheBigPicture
11-09-2009, 01:34 PM
while this was a tragic event, let's not ignore the fact that one's last name is a source of racism. If I for example, go out and get hit by a car right now, many people right here on these boards would at least suspect that I had something to do with the accident. It's sad, but it's a reality. (of course, if the shooter here was that obvious in his remarks, then someone should have reported him)

zeke
11-09-2009, 02:07 PM
why? are you a chinese woman?

JaysCyYoung
11-09-2009, 03:40 PM
while this was a tragic event, let's not ignore the fact that one's last name is a source of racism. If I for example, go out and get hit by a car right now, many people right here on these boards would at least suspect that I had something to do with the accident. It's sad, but it's a reality. (of course, if the shooter here was that obvious in his remarks, then someone should have reported him)

Your last name would make your remarks more meaningless in an Israeli-Palestinian debate moreso than a car accident, dude. :p

SundinsTooth
11-11-2009, 05:27 PM
Lady that was attacked by the chimp has done some interviews. Horrible horrible disfigurement. I feel so bad for this lady. Man, just a bummer.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/11/11/news/photos_stories/screen-capture145609--500x380.jpg


Just posting a link - don't want to upset anyone with the graphic nature of this one.

CTheBigPicture
11-11-2009, 05:30 PM
why? are you a chinese woman?

:lol

yes my name is: XY....meh can't even try.


Your last name would make your remarks more meaningless in an Israeli-Palestinian debate moreso than a car accident, dude. :p

nah I'd be accused of being biased. ;D

CTheBigPicture
11-11-2009, 05:31 PM
Lady that was attacked by the chimp has done some interviews. Horrible horrible disfigurement. I feel so bad for this lady. Man, just a bummer.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/11/11/news/photos_stories/screen-capture145609--500x380.jpg


Just posting a link - don't want to upset anyone with the graphic nature of this one.

man that's horrific. Poor lady :nono

axlsalinger
11-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Saw some pic's earlier today, she is doing (or just did) Oprah's show. What a terrible injury (lost her hands, too), can't get much worse than that.

northernlou
11-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Surely, she's got a lot more surgery to go through.

SundinsTooth
11-11-2009, 05:33 PM
Would you have wanted to survive to live like that? Or would a quick death have been preferable for you? For me, quick death would have been a blessing.

mbow30
11-11-2009, 05:34 PM
Lady that was attacked by the chimp has done some interviews. Horrible horrible disfigurement. I feel so bad for this lady. Man, just a bummer.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/11/11/news/photos_stories/screen-capture145609--500x380.jpg


Just posting a link - don't want to upset anyone with the graphic nature of this one.

hey zeke, would you hit that?

SundinsTooth
11-11-2009, 05:37 PM
I had this inkling things would quickly spiral down.....:smilewinkgrin:

theREALkoreaboy
11-11-2009, 07:09 PM
hey zeke, would you hit that?

nah. looks like she's older than 12.

jrsuperstar
11-12-2009, 12:01 PM
Der tragische Selbstmord von Robert Enke († 32) schockt die Menschen in Deutschland noch immer.

The tragic suicide of Robert Enke, the goalkeeper for Hannover 96, is still shocking Germany. A very sad story:(


http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/hannover/2009/11/12/enke-witwe-teresa/ganz-deutschland-steht-bei-ihr.html

JaysCyYoung
11-12-2009, 06:57 PM
Lady that was attacked by the chimp has done some interviews. Horrible horrible disfigurement. I feel so bad for this lady. Man, just a bummer.

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2009/11/11/news/photos_stories/screen-capture145609--500x380.jpg


Just posting a link - don't want to upset anyone with the graphic nature of this one.

Why did I just click on that? Why....

johnunit
11-12-2009, 07:03 PM
Der tragische Selbstmord von Robert Enke († 32) schockt die Menschen in Deutschland noch immer.

The tragic suicide of Robert Enke, the goalkeeper for Hannover 96, is still shocking Germany. A very sad story:(


http://www.bild.de/BILD/sport/fussball/bundesliga/vereine/hannover/2009/11/12/enke-witwe-teresa/ganz-deutschland-steht-bei-ihr.html
seriously, why post a german-language report on this forum? It's not like you couldn't have dug up an english-language version of the story that, you know, more than one person here would understand.

Artnes
11-12-2009, 07:08 PM
Why did I just click on that? Why....

that is what happens when you **** around with spider monkeys

Leafyblue
11-12-2009, 07:08 PM
There is a US/UK flag at the top which changes it to this:

http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-english/sport-news/football/world-football/2009/11/12/robert-enke-final-hours/tragic-keeper-smiling-with-fans-after-last-hannover-game.html

MindzEye
11-12-2009, 07:17 PM
that is what happens when you **** around with spider monkeys

I think it was a chimp, chimp.

JohnnyHolmes
11-12-2009, 07:24 PM
You know what is crazy..this guy is allowed to openly commit treasonous acts, but the armed forces kick people out for being gay.

That is bizarre.

johnunit
11-12-2009, 07:28 PM
yeah,
"I want out, this war is an afront to my people and I'd rather fight for the other side"= you better stay

"I aspire to be a soldier and love my job, but Steve is cute"= get out!

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2009, 02:15 PM
Medicalizing mass murder

By Charles Krauthammer

What a surprise — that someone who shouts "Allahu Akbar" (the "Allah is great" jihadist battle cry) as he is shooting up a room of American soldiers might have Islamist motives. It certainly was a surprise to the mainstream media, which spent the weekend after the Fort Hood massacre playing down Nidal Hasan's religious beliefs.

"I cringe that he's a Muslim. . . . I think he's probably just a nut case," said Newsweek's Evan Thomas. Some were more adamant. Time's Joe Klein decried "odious attempts by Jewish extremists . . . to argue that the massacre perpetrated by Nidal Hasan was somehow a direct consequence of his Islamic beliefs." While none could match Klein's peculiar cherchez-le-juif motif, the popular story line was of an Army psychiatrist driven over the edge by terrible stories he had heard from soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

They suffered. He listened. He snapped.

Really? What about the doctors and nurses, the counselors and physical therapists at Walter Reed Army Medical Center who every day hear and live with the pain and the suffering of returning soldiers? How many of them then picked up a gun and shot 51 innocents?

And what about civilian psychiatrists — not the Upper West Side therapist treating Woody Allen neurotics, but the thousands of doctors working with hospitalized psychotics — who every day hear not just tales but cries of the most excruciating anguish, of the most unimaginable torment? How many of those doctors commit mass murder?

It's been decades since I practiced psychiatry. Perhaps I missed the epidemic.

But, of course, if the shooter is named Nidal Hasan, who National Public Radio reported had been trying to proselytize doctors and patients, then something must be found. Presto! Secondary post-traumatic stress disorder, a handy invention to allow one to ignore the obvious.
And the perfect moral finesse. Medicalizing mass murder not only exonerates. It turns the murderer into a victim, indeed a sympathetic one. After all, secondary PTSD, for those who believe in it (you won't find it in DSM-IV-TR, psychiatry's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual), is known as "compassion fatigue." The poor man — pushed over the edge by an excess of sensitivity.

Have we totally lost our moral bearings? Nidal Hasan (allegedly) cold-bloodedly killed 13 innocent people. His business card had his name, his profession, his medical degrees and his occupational identity. U.S. Army? No. "SoA" — Soldier of Allah. In such cases, political correctness is not just an abomination. It's a danger, clear and present.
Consider the Army's treatment of Hasan's previous behavior. NPR's Daniel Zwerdling interviewed a Hasan colleague at Walter Reed about a hair-raising grand rounds that Hasan had apparently given. Grand rounds are the most serious academic event at a teaching hospital — attending physicians, residents and students gather for a lecture on an instructive case history or therapeutic finding.

I've been to dozens of these. In fact, I gave one myself on post-traumatic retrograde amnesia — as you can see, these lectures are fairly technical. Not Hasan's. His was an hour-long disquisition on what he called the Koranic view of military service, jihad and war. It included an allegedly authoritative elaboration of the punishments visited upon nonbelievers — consignment to hell, decapitation, having hot oil poured down your throat. This "really freaked a lot of doctors out," reported NPR.

Nor was this the only incident. "The psychiatrist," reported Zwerdling, "said that he was the kind of guy who the staff actually stood around in the hallway saying: Do you think he's a terrorist, or is he just weird?"

Was anything done about this potential danger? Of course not. Who wants to be accused of Islamophobia and prejudice against a colleague's religion?

One must not speak of such things. Not even now. Not even after we know that Hasan was in communication with a notorious Yemen-based jihad propagandist. As late as Tuesday, The New York Times was running a story on how returning soldiers at Fort Hood had a high level of violence.
What does such violence have to do with Hasan? He was not a returning soldier. And the soldiers who returned home and shot their wives or fellow soldiers didn't cry "Allahu Akbar" as they squeezed the trigger.

The delicacy about the religion in question — condescending, politically correct and deadly — is nothing new. A week after the first (1993) World Trade Center attack, the same New York Times ran the following front-page headline about the arrest of one Mohammed Salameh: "Jersey City Man Is Charged in Bombing of Trade Center."

Ah yes, those Jersey men — so resentful of New York, so prone to violence.

corksens
11-13-2009, 02:32 PM
It's too bad that North American media can't just come out and admit the truth...

That this was less about a man "snapping" and more about radical islam reering it's ugly head once again.

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2009, 02:34 PM
the MSM will never do anything that damages hopeychange or validates something that W did. never.

the MSM will never call this a "terrorist attack", and the MSM will go to great lengths to downplay the terror threat so they can continue to mock any attempts to combat it.

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2009, 03:27 PM
aww. looks like the poor major is paralyzed from the waist down. the poor dear. sniff...

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/13/fort.hood.hasan/index.html

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2009, 03:35 PM
wtf is with this family? the father goes public praising his daughter's rack, and now the sister is talking about how "sexy" her sister is...

New York (CNN) -- Ashlee Simpson-Wentz wants people to stop calling her big sister Jessica fat, the singer-turned actress told Women's Health magazine.

"It's disgusting that people would say those things," Simpson-Wentz, who shows off her own svelte frame in the December issue of the magazine, said. "My sister has an incredible body. I feel sorry for anyone who would judge her, because she's one sexy lady."

Jessica Simpson has been scrutinized for her weight gain over the past year after she appeared in some unflattering photos at a chili cook-off in Florida in January.

The younger Simpson sister had a baby, Bronx Mowgli, with husband rock star Pete Wentz last year and shed her baby weight quickly. She said that although she is skinny now, she hopes that one day when she gains weight she will look as sexy as Jessica does.

"There's gonna be a time when I'm way curvier, and that'll be sexy, too," Simpson-Wentz said.

The Simpson sisters have been very vocal lately when it comes to snubs against their family. Last month, Jessica Simpson came to Ashlee's defense when she was fired from "Melrose Place," calling the show, "crap" through her Twitter account.

Factinista
11-13-2009, 03:38 PM
Who gives a shit?

JohnnyHolmes
11-13-2009, 03:48 PM
Who gives a shit?

:lol

You just made my day.

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2009, 03:51 PM
i very much give a $hit about jessica simpson's rack.

Volcanologist
11-13-2009, 05:01 PM
Bronx Mowgli? What in the **** is that?

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2009, 05:18 PM
Bronx Mowgli? What in the **** is that?

that is one of the stupidest names EVER. right up there with moon unit zappa.

Bleedsblue&white
11-13-2009, 08:17 PM
Just a random thing here but....
I'm watching Defying Gravity; Karen Leblanc is one of the actresses on the show, and she's an old friend of mine. It's kind of cool watching a mainstream TV show and seeing someone I played with as a child, grew up with, still party with her brother now and then.
She even had a couple guest appearances on Trailer Park Boys way back when.
It's not news, but so the **** what eh?

worm
11-13-2009, 08:27 PM
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0495716/

cool

vermettefan
12-07-2009, 02:09 PM
Local paper accidentally publishes a Full Monty
http://torontoist.com/2009/12/hangin_out_at_st_peters.php

http://livelythought.com/torontoist/20091207morelikestpetersamiright.jpg

corksens
12-07-2009, 02:46 PM
Lucky for that guy it was warm water.

Wayward DP
12-07-2009, 03:24 PM
haha. how do they miss that

gilmour93forever
12-07-2009, 04:19 PM
How even more awesome is that the guy has a striking resemblance to a one Steven Stiffler from American Pie.

The Stiffmeister would be proud...

MindzEye
12-07-2009, 05:06 PM
Hang out with your wang out

PlayerToBeNamedLater
12-13-2009, 06:18 PM
Italian PM Silvio Berlusconi was punched in the face at a rally.


YouTube- Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi bloodied by punch in the face

MindzEye
12-13-2009, 06:25 PM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer fascist douchebag.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
12-13-2009, 06:27 PM
He doesn't have enough time to be a fascist. He's too busy banging 18 year old escorts.

zeke
12-13-2009, 06:34 PM
forza italia

PlayerToBeNamedLater
12-13-2009, 06:35 PM
The old guy took the punch though.

MindzEye
12-13-2009, 06:58 PM
He doesn't have enough time to be a fascist. He's too busy banging 18 year old escorts.

He spent a lot of his earlier years developing his fascism...comes naturally now.

theREALkoreaboy
12-14-2009, 09:00 AM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer fascist douchebag.

what an a$$hole you are. i mean, seriously. you are APPLAUDING a 70+ year old man being seriously injured and having his face busted up because he happens to disagree with you politically. look in the mirror, "douchebag".

MindzEye
12-14-2009, 09:21 AM
No, I'm applauding it not because I disagree with him...I can do that with most in a very peaceful manner. I applaud it because he has used his power to circumvent every means the Italian people have used to bring him to justice for his outright fascism.

Why am I not surprised that you're leaping to the defence of a fascist though?

P.S...the guy who did it is an Italian patriot....but should still be caught and dealt with by the Italian legal system. The same system that this old fascist has no ****ing respect for.

corksens
12-14-2009, 09:23 AM
You have a very broad definition of fascism, I see.

corksens
12-14-2009, 09:24 AM
By the way - the peace loving, non-violent left applauding assult. Wonderful double-standard.

leaffan2005
12-14-2009, 09:39 AM
Sort of like the right rationalizing infidelity?

Don't throw political stereotypes out there. Some people are conservative about some stuff, and liberal about others, and it varies based on the situation and obviously the person.

corksens
12-14-2009, 09:51 AM
You don't see the irony in Mindz statements?

Decrying "facism", but supporting assult.

JohnnyHolmes
12-14-2009, 10:23 AM
Pipe down or I'll backhand you.

corksens
12-14-2009, 10:26 AM
Yes, my liege.

Bleedsblue&white
12-14-2009, 03:35 PM
Spelling Police checking in;

It's assault. Since you typed it spelled it that way twice I figured it wasn't a typo.

corksens
12-14-2009, 03:44 PM
Whoops.

I knew that one too.

Bleedsblue&white
12-14-2009, 04:06 PM
It's assault. Since you typed it spelled it that way twice I figured it wasn't a typo.


Whenever you are going to correct somebody, it's a good idea to make sure your own post is mistake free.

Sonnamabitch.

MindzEye
12-14-2009, 04:50 PM
You don't see the irony in Mindz statements?

Decrying "facism", but supporting assult.

Perhaps if you understood the meaning of fascism, said "irony" wouldn't exist.

Fascism is the marriage of the corporate and the political structures within a nation state. Take a look at Berlusconi's media holdings, and the ways in which he's used them to maintain political power in Italy and then tell me that the title isn't apt.

Fascism has no inherent violent undertones. Fascist regimes have in the past though, resorted to violence to maintain their grip on power. As have those of almost every other political ideology.

There is no irony in applauding the assault on a fascist. Nice try though

MindzEye
12-14-2009, 04:55 PM
By the way - the peace loving, non-violent left applauding assult. Wonderful double-standard.

I'm not non violent,at least as it pertains to an over arching philosophy and I have never pretended to be. So just like there is no irony in my statement, neither is there a double standard.

I do though, love peace. A stance that every reasonable human being should hold in common with me.

MindzEye
12-14-2009, 04:56 PM
Sort of like the right rationalizing infidelity?

Don't throw political stereotypes out there. Some people are conservative about some stuff, and liberal about others, and it varies based on the situation and obviously the person.

+1

Bleedsblue&white
12-14-2009, 04:59 PM
Yes, we do tend to want to ram people into very tight holes...then get upset when they attempt to free an elbow.

BeLeafer
12-14-2009, 04:59 PM
Fascism has no inherent violent undertones.

Nope. Just overt thuggery.

Artnes
12-14-2009, 05:03 PM
I just thought it was nice hammer fist (although it was with a statue)

MindzEye
12-14-2009, 05:07 PM
Nope. Just overt thuggery.

Well, that's usually required to put down an unwilling population. To hold a fascist ideology, a person doesn't necessarily have to be violent though.

They've gotta be an authoritarian douchebag, but they don't have to be individually violent.

BeLeafer
12-14-2009, 06:47 PM
Fascism (and authoritarianism) is inherently violent, always has been. At the least, any self proclaimed fascist group use physical violence. Certainly, all the fascist governments of Europe in the 20th century bludgeoned their way to power.

The violence is both domestic and international in character. It's also physically and ideologically/psychologically coercive.

It is little more than a politics of thuggery in all its dimensions.

MindzEye
12-14-2009, 07:02 PM
and I'm not arguing that point, my issue was entirely theoretical.

Fascism is no more about violence (in theory) than Communism is.

You're allowing historical data to cloud the theoretical in this case. The theoretical is simple. Fascism is the blending of state power between a nationalist government and the nations corporate business structure into one entity.

If you believe in the marriage of state and corporate power, you're a fascist, and as it pertains to this issue, Berlusconi is a fascist. Even if he isn't a fascist in the common historical vernacular.

BeLeafer
12-15-2009, 11:26 PM
Any theory of fascism is post facto. There were never any theorists of fascism. The best you'll find is Ernst Junger. Check his theory of the worker-soldier - infused with violence from top to bottom.

Theory must be rooted in historical evidence, from the ground up, or it's just so much fluff. I'm not even sure why anyone would want to theorize political thuggery.

BeLeafer
12-15-2009, 11:29 PM
To add ... theorizing it in the absence of the historical evidence will do little to help understanding and more likely hurt it.

BeLeafer
12-15-2009, 11:34 PM
Addendum II .... heh

If you want to define fascism so broadly as the 'marriage of state and corporate power', you can label every government of the 'western world' in the 20th century and onward, fascist.

I like to just think of it as the maturation of capitalism. Yes, it's a pretty fascist affair.

mbow30
12-15-2009, 11:45 PM
stupid beleafer.. confusing his jungers.

BeLeafer
12-15-2009, 11:46 PM
And my jungs and jungers too!

BeLeafer
12-16-2009, 12:25 AM
Ha, just discovered that they actually made a stamp out of our pal, Ernst. Part of the denazification program, I guess. ha ha

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Ernst_Juenger_stamp.jpg

BeLeafer
12-16-2009, 12:26 AM
Mein Fuhrer, I can walk!

JaysCyYoung
12-16-2009, 12:13 PM
and I'm not arguing that point, my issue was entirely theoretical.

Fascism is no more about violence (in theory) than Communism is.

You're allowing historical data to cloud the theoretical in this case. The theoretical is simple. Fascism is the blending of state power between a nationalist government and the nations corporate business structure into one entity.

If you believe in the marriage of state and corporate power, you're a fascist, and as it pertains to this issue, Berlusconi is a fascist. Even if he isn't a fascist in the common historical vernacular.

This reminds me of a cartoon done some time ago (I wish I could find the cells to post here) that many politics afficionados on here have no doubt seen, but the premise was simple. It had a group of citizens discussing with historical figures the evils of communism and the scores of citizens that had died from its implementation in the twentieth century. Suddenly, an image of Marx appears and he very insistently claims "BUT THE PREMISE STILL REMAINS TRUE!" I think you make a valid point in positing that just because there is a historical record of oppressive governments (or more to the point, violent governments) doesn't indicate that an ideology in itself is inherently violent. Communism for instance, sounds very utopian in theory, but that's of little solace to the student standing in Tianamen Square in 1989 trying to avoid being crushed by an armada of T-72s.

MindzEye
12-22-2009, 05:02 PM
Kim Peek passes away, the inspiration for Dustin Hoffman's character in Rainman

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6964730.ece

MindzEye
12-22-2009, 05:08 PM
This reminds me of a cartoon done some time ago (I wish I could find the cells to post here) that many politics afficionados on here have no doubt seen, but the premise was simple. It had a group of citizens discussing with historical figures the evils of communism and the scores of citizens that had died from its implementation in the twentieth century. Suddenly, an image of Marx appears and he very insistently claims "BUT THE PREMISE STILL REMAINS TRUE!" I think you make a valid point in positing that just because there is a historical record of oppressive governments (or more to the point, violent governments) doesn't indicate that an ideology in itself is inherently violent. Communism for instance, sounds very utopian in theory, but that's of little solace to the student standing in Tianamen Square in 1989 trying to avoid being crushed by an armada of T-72s.

I think the point that needs to be accepted, is that there simply isn't, and never will be, a government that adheres strictly to any single ideology....so when you call a government "fascist" or "communist", you're basically just attaching the closest ideology you possibly can to it.

Those weren't Communist T-72's in Tianamen square, those were PRC T-72's.

MindzEye
01-03-2010, 03:57 PM
Example #91823646 that corporations don't give a **** about any of us:

http://www.alternet.org/environment/144904/yummy!_ammonia-treated_pink_slime_now_in_most_u.s._ground_beef


According to today's New York Times, The "majority of hamburger" now sold in the U.S. now contains fatty slaughterhouse trimmings "the industry once relegated to pet food and cooking oil," "typically including most of the material from the outer surfaces of the carcass" that contains "larger microbiological populations."

This "nasty pink slime," as one FDA microbiologist called it, is now wrung in a centrifuge to remove the fat, and then treated with AMMONIA to "retard spoilage," and turned into "a mashlike substance frozen into blocks or chips".

Thus saving THREE CENTS a pound off production costs. And making the company, Beef Products Inc., a fortune. $440 million/year in revenue. Ain't that something?


Bush's U.S.D.A. also allowed these "innovators" to get away with listing the ammonia as "a processing agent" instead of by name. And they also OKd the processing method -- and later exempted the hamburger from routine testing of meat sold to the general public -- strictly based on the company's claims of safety, which were not backed by any independent testing.

Because the ammonia taste was so bad ("It was frozen, but you could still smell ammonia," said Dr. Charles Tant, a Georgia agriculture department official. "I’ve never seen anything like it.") the company started using a less alkaline ammonia treatment, and now we know -- thanks to testing done for the school lunch program -- that the nasty stuff isn't even reliably killing the pathogens.


But government and industry records obtained by The New York Times show that in testing for the school lunch program, E. coli and salmonella pathogens have been found dozens of times in Beef Products meat, challenging claims by the company and the U.S.D.A. about the effectiveness of the treatment. Since 2005, E. coli has been found 3 times and salmonella 48 times, including back-to-back incidents in August in which two 27,000-pound batches were found to be contaminated. The meat was caught before reaching lunch-rooms trays.

In July, school lunch officials temporarily banned their hamburger makers from using meat from a Beef Products facility in Kansas because of salmonella — the third suspension in three years, records show. Yet the facility remained approved by the U.S.D.A. for other customers.

Montana
01-03-2010, 05:55 PM
Kim Peek passes away, the inspiration for Dustin Hoffman's character in Rainman

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6964730.ece


Didn't realize Peek had passed away till I saw this just now..........that bums me out.




Nice little doc about Peek, linked to in that article you posted........halfway through it right now.

theREALkoreaboy
01-03-2010, 08:46 PM
Addendum II .... heh

If you want to define fascism so broadly as the 'marriage of state and corporate power', you can label every government of the 'western world' in the 20th century and onward, fascist.

I like to just think of it as the maturation of capitalism. Yes, it's a pretty fascist affair.

utter tripe. you are clearly a product of a modern western university education, where it has become totally fashionable these days to label everything that isn't socialism as "fascism".

bravo. your mummy and daddy's tuition money seems to have been put to good use.

mbow30
01-08-2010, 01:16 PM
it's old news (anything not reported 'today' is in this the internet age).

but worth posting.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/LIVING/personal/01/04/dating.site.overweight/index.html


Dating site for beautiful people expels 'fatties' after holiday weight gain

By Mallory Simon, CNN
January 4, 2010 6:52 p.m. EST

(CNN) -- A dating site that markets itself as an elite community for beautiful people with a "strict ban on ugly people" has axed about 5,000 members for packing on the pounds during the holiday season.

The international site BeautifulPeople.com threw out members after they posted photos "revealing that they have let themselves go," according to a company statement.

"As a business, we mourn the loss of any member, but the fact remains that our members demand the high standard of beauty be upheld," said Robert Hintze, founder of BeautifulPeople.com. "Letting fatties roam the site is a direct threat to our business model and the very concept for which BeautifulPeople.com was founded."

The site describes itself as an "elite online club, where every member works the door" -- that is, users can join only after enough members vote them "beautiful" during the 48 hours after their profile is uploaded.

And apparently, enough beautiful people were angry that some members had enjoyed a bit too many treats during the holiday season.

So BeautifulPeople.com sent those flagged members e-mails, according to the company statement, telling them they could register again for the site when the extra pudge was gone.

"We responded to complaints by moving the newly chubby members back to the rating stage. This is the same as having them re-apply," Greg Hodge, managing director of BeautifulPeople.com, said in a statement.

The company said it "expelled" 1,520 users from the U.S., 832 from the U.K., 533 from Canada, 510 from Poland, 425 from Germany, 402 from Italy, 323 from France, 220 from Denmark, 176 from Turkey and 88 people from Russia. In the e-mail, it gave users suggestions for boot camps and workout facilities to get themselves back in shape.

Some gave the site a shot again, hoping fellow users might not see them as the "fatties" others had.

"Their re-applications were reviewed by existing members, and only a few hundred were voted back in. Over 5,000 were rejected," Hodge added.

Hodge admits, and has admitted from the time his company started, that his site may not be fair, but people want to date someone they are attracted to.

"Is it elitist? Yes, it is, because our members want it to be," Hodge said when the company started out in 2005. "Is it lookist? Yes, it is, because our members want it to be. Is it PC? No, it's not, but it's honest."

And on this site, beauty is certainly in the eye of the beholder; only one in five applicants is normally accepted, a company statement said.

Maintaining those standards is what the site is about, Hodge said, and that's why people were expelled.

"Every year we see that some of our members from Western cultures eat and drink to excess over the holidays, and clearly their looks suffer," he said in a statement. "The U.S.A. has been grossly over-indulging since Thanksgiving. It's no wonder that so many members have been expelled from the network. We hope they will be back after shedding the festive pounds."

can't let the fatties roam the site. a priceless quote, and probably won't be topped in all of 2010.

zeke
01-08-2010, 01:21 PM
I appreciate the honesty of that website.

zeke
01-08-2010, 01:22 PM
utter tripe. you are clearly a product of a modern western university education,

It's hilarious that in KB's world, he actually thinks this is an insult.

mbow30
01-08-2010, 01:23 PM
utter tripe. you are clearly a product of a modern western university education,

you are too, dummy.

zeke
01-08-2010, 01:23 PM
I am definitely currently too fat to make the cut at that website.

Once I lose this 15lbs though, my gorgeousness will get me in no problem.

corksens
01-08-2010, 01:26 PM
I am definitely currently too fat to make the cut at that website.

Once I lose this 15lbs though, my gorgeousness will get me in no problem.Head fat is always hardest to lose.

JaysCyYoung
01-08-2010, 01:31 PM
you are too, dummy.

Is the irony lost on kb that teachers actually need a post-secondary degree in order to... you know -- teach?

corksens
01-08-2010, 01:35 PM
Jays, as a conservative minded recent University graduate, you know full well that post-secondary education has a major left-wing bias.

Cut kb some slack on that one.

JaysCyYoung
01-08-2010, 01:38 PM
Yeah, I'm not going to deny the inherent institutional biases that are prevalent amongst most professors and the course material (development theory has got to be the most pretentious bullshit discipline ever created to explain why whites are evil), but that quote came across more as decrying being educated than anything else.

zeke
01-08-2010, 01:40 PM
post-secondary education also has a major intelligence- and success- and correct-thinking -wing bias.

corksens
01-08-2010, 01:44 PM
"Those who can't, teach".

What we have across Canadian Universities are professors and staff who simply can't hack-it in the real world. They are sharp as can be, but completely devoid of common sense. There are exceptions to this rule, of course, but the majority of professors are complete duds who rely solely on their niche group of like-minded colleagues for validation.

University used to be an arena to challenge common ideas - now it's a place where you get rewarded for agreeing with a professor/TA's political agenda.

zeke
01-08-2010, 01:51 PM
yeah, much better than being rewarded for agreeing with money-grubbing televangelists and gun-toting bigots.

corksens
01-08-2010, 01:52 PM
That doesn't make any sense.

zeke
01-08-2010, 01:53 PM
university education > no university education

Artnes
01-08-2010, 01:55 PM
University is all about getting hammered and banging whores. Cool people don't go to class. You use that time to get over your hangover

mbow30
01-08-2010, 01:57 PM
University is all about getting hammered and banging whores. Cool people don't go to class. You use that time to get over your hangover

amen.

i want to get a second undergraduate degree for this purpose.

already done the laurier thing -- four years at western (spending first year in saugeen) would be most excellent. best lifestyle ever.

corksens
01-08-2010, 01:58 PM
university education > no university educationAbsolutely. And it would be even better if there was some balance.

Artnes
01-08-2010, 02:02 PM
I remember I took my first student loan and blew it all on a trip to Mexico.

I lived off KD and hotdogs for the next 3 months, partied from Thursday to Sunday and came out with a 1.0 gpa.

Mama was never more proud

JaysCyYoung
01-08-2010, 02:07 PM
Western sucks donkey dick. Inferior football. Inferior academics. But they do have sluttier women so maybe it evens out. Then again, the bitchy princess thing in Kingston was always hot.

mbow30
01-08-2010, 02:09 PM
i think the award for the most ridiculous/reckless blowing of osap funds goes to a former friend of my girlfirend's.

this girl was a moderate drug user throughout high school (marijuana/mushrooms). a few weeks into first year she had a dream that had her convinced that her destiny in life was to be a struggling writer with a drug problem and a smoking habit. so she kicked up the drugs, started smoking cigs and spent all her money so that she could feel like she was 'struggling.'

she was out of funds by december, and had the idea that she would start selling pot to make rent. she borrowed money from her parents and brother, but basically just smoked all the weed she brought in. quit school a few weeks into second term. working in a restaurant. can't quit smoking but wants to. can't afford to smoke weed any more. no longer fashioning herself as a writer.

Artnes
01-08-2010, 02:10 PM
The bitchy princess always made for a good challenge.

corksens
01-08-2010, 02:11 PM
amen.

i want to get a second undergraduate degree for this purpose.

already done the laurier thing -- four years at western (spending first year in saugeen) would be most excellent. best lifestyle ever.The Saugeen Stripper has long graduated, you'd strike out all year.

JaysCyYoung
01-08-2010, 02:12 PM
i think the award for the most ridiculous/reckless blowing of osap funds goes to a former friend of my girlfirend's.

this girl was a moderate drug user throughout high school (marijuana/mushrooms). a few weeks into first year she had a dream that had her convinced that her destiny in life was to be a struggling writer with a drug problem and a smoking habit. so she kicked up the drugs, started smoking cigs and spent all her money so that she could feel like she was 'struggling.'

she was out of funds by december, and had the idea that she would start selling pot to make rent. she borrowed money from her parents and brother, but basically just smoked all the weed she brought in. quit school a few weeks into second term. working in a restaurant. can't quit smoking but wants to. can't afford to smoke weed any more. no longer fashioning herself as a writer.

WOW.

mbow30
01-08-2010, 02:13 PM
The Saugeen Stripper has long graduated, you'd strike out all year.

yet her pictures live in infamy on my hard drive.

actually, i wonder if i still have that email.

either way, that wasn't a one-off thing. there are saugeen strippers all the time, every time. they've just learned their lessons and no longer permit use of cell phone/digital cameras.

saugeen is like the canada's wonderland of 18 year old girls out of mommy and daddy's reach for the first time in their life. even an autistic midget with no legs could get laid in saugeen after the bars close on a saturday night.

granted, you'd better only go after winter break, or else you could unwittingly end up with a 17 year old (which i would imagine is a big no no for most of us here. not including zeke, and from what i've heard, maybe artnes).

corksens
01-08-2010, 02:15 PM
Bitchy princesses are the best. I married one.

JaysCyYoung
01-08-2010, 02:15 PM
Maybe you can confirm this msun, but I've heard from a few sources that Steve Downie was banned from every bar on the Waterloo and Laurier campuses, and is no longer welcome in most establishments on King St. Apparently got his ass wooped by more than a few bouncers as well. Any truth to that?

corksens
01-08-2010, 02:16 PM
One of my regrets from University is never taking the time out to visit a friend in Halifax that went to Dal. Apparently the partying is awesome.

mbow30
01-08-2010, 02:17 PM
I don't know about every bar, but I do know for a fact that he was booted from the Turret (Laurier campus bar) -- one of my roommates at the time was one of the bouncers who gave him a beat down and told him to **** off.

zeke
01-08-2010, 02:22 PM
Western was full of hot sluts.

and the best thing is that they're all still hot cougar sluts now.

SundinsTooth
01-08-2010, 04:46 PM
I go to Waterloo but I spent my afternoon at Laurier today sitting in a pub. The difference in the two school's student bodies is absolutely hilarious. I swear some of those kids at Laurier had trouble calculating their tips.....:)

I use the term kids truthfully as well, my god, so young.

SundinsTooth
01-08-2010, 04:47 PM
granted, you'd better only go after winter break, or else you could unwittingly end up with a 17 year old (which i would imagine is a big no no for most of us here. not including zeke, and from what i've heard, maybe artnes).

So old fashioned.....:couch

JaysCyYoung
01-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Well there's also the fact that the majority of Waterloo's campus is Asian, so of course they should be able to calculate tabs.

Artnes
01-08-2010, 05:30 PM
granted, you'd better only go after winter break, or else you could unwittingly end up with a 17 year old (which i would imagine is a big no no for most of us here. not including zeke, and from what i've heard, maybe artnes).

Even I have my limits. The youngest was 19 and that was 2 years ago
(when I was 26) but she was toight. Nothing moved on that girl

zeke
01-08-2010, 05:32 PM
limits are for homos.

JaysCyYoung
01-08-2010, 05:44 PM
QFT. If there's grass on the field, play ball.

Artnes
01-08-2010, 05:51 PM
The bad thing is these days its hard to tell the difference between a 17 yo and a 27 yo. If you actually take the time to listen to them talk for 5 minutes you can pick up on it then but most times when you're drunk you're so focused on getting in there you don't pay attention

MindzEye
01-08-2010, 06:08 PM
It's only hard to tell the difference because you don't care.

Artnes
01-08-2010, 06:09 PM
Thing is you're like me and don't get loser drunk so we have the ability to spot it a mile away. Someone like Raynes on the other hand can't and just don't care

Although one night in Mexico I got "Raynes" drunk. The first thing I hear from J-Dub when I wake up.."you were such an ******* last night"..uh oh

MindzEye
01-08-2010, 07:19 PM
I would get Raynes drunk once in a while. It's just the survivability rate that concerns me.

I'll be down next weekend, there has to be a few mexico stories...maybe I should get J-Dub to tell me the one about you being an *******?

theREALkoreaboy
01-08-2010, 07:20 PM
Bitchy princesses are the best. I married one.

so did i. it has its ups and downs.

theREALkoreaboy
01-08-2010, 07:24 PM
post-secondary education also has a major intelligence- and success- and correct-thinking -wing bias.

you see- this is the kicker. lefties think that we should all "correct-think" and if we don't, we're troglodytes.

i was a product of a western university education, and i went toe to toe with profs the whole time. some f*cking hated me for it, some loved me for it because i made their classes really interesting.

zeke
01-09-2010, 12:01 AM
some loved me .

I call BS.

BeLeafer
01-09-2010, 12:06 AM
I would have loved to have kb in one of my classes. Of course, he would have never gotten into my program, but it's funny to imagine him there.

Habsy
01-09-2010, 12:23 AM
I would have loved to have kb in one of my classes. Of course, he would have never gotten into my program, but it's funny to imagine him there.

12 step?

corksens
01-09-2010, 12:26 AM
I would have loved to have kb in one of my classes. Of course, he would have never gotten into my program, but it's funny to imagine him there.groupthink 101?

BeLeafer
01-09-2010, 12:29 AM
Let's just say it's a program that won't even consider someone with less than an undergraduate A average.

I'd ballpark kb at around the minimum to get into teacher's college and then that's only a reflection of how well he could jump through various hoops.

mbow30
01-09-2010, 01:11 AM
I would have loved to have kb in one of my classes. Of course, he would have never gotten into my program, but it's funny to imagine him there.

they let in one gentleman last year who i'm pretty sure is homeless.

unless he was just squatting in the R building, telling people he was in spt.

but gosh, looked and smelled the part and i'm about 99% convinced that i saw him panhandling on college one night. kind of bizarre.

Metalleaf
01-09-2010, 01:14 AM
Maybe that is how he funded his education.

BeLeafer
01-09-2010, 01:23 AM
Well, I've met a few homeless people over the years who would qualify as intellectually genius.

I do believe though that you at least need a fixed address for the application process. Mind you, the prices they charge nowadays for graduate school is likely to cause some to have to choose between rent and tuition.

mbow30
01-09-2010, 01:29 AM
Yeah -- forcing you to pay for the summer term (when they don't even offer much in the way of courses) is killer.

In essence I had to pay them to allow me to write a paper.

My experiences with the school are getting worse and worse, too (as if the strike wasn't bad enough).

Because of strike remediation I had an extra term to write my paper. I had to pay for it, of course, but provided I got all degree requirements finished by a given date (I did) I am supposed to get that refunded in full.

Well, the department is telling me that I got everything done, am in good standing, will get the refund and am eligible to graduate. Graduate studies is telling me they can't find the form confirming I completed all requirements on time so won't give me my money back. The registrars office is telling me I haven't completed all requirements so is saying I am ineligible to graduate.

Moral of the story? Don't go to York

BeLeafer
01-09-2010, 01:31 AM
When they started that full summer tuition bullshit, we had negotiated full GAs for the summer. Did they drop that? No doubt.

That's one helluva bum****, forcing students to pay when there's virtually no course offerings or any draw on resources. Chalk it up to the corporate lackeys taking over the universities.

mbow30
01-09-2010, 01:35 AM
well we still had our summer GAs, but that just covered tuition. a few dollars short, in fact.

still, considering that we aren't, as you said, draining any resources from the school (outside of a few hours of our supervisor's time), at least throw us a bone and register us as part timers (half the tuition). i guess that would be too much to ask, though.

what a joke.

corksens
01-09-2010, 11:16 AM
You perpetual students make me laugh.

Get a job.

SundinsTooth
01-09-2010, 11:26 AM
You perpetual students make me laugh.

Get a job.

:smilielol5:

Hey, Bluto Blutarsky spent 7 years at Faber.....

theREALkoreaboy
01-09-2010, 12:49 PM
I'd ballpark kb at around the minimum to get into teacher's college and then that's only a reflection of how well he could jump through various hoops.

well, you'd be in the completely wrong ballpark. mutliple scolarships, A average, got into teacher's college when it was extremely hard to do so.

MindzEye
01-09-2010, 02:19 PM
You perpetual students make me laugh.

Get a job.

Careful buttercup, those perpetual students usually end up as your boss somewhere along the way.

corksens
01-09-2010, 03:22 PM
Careful buttercup, those perpetual students usually end up as your boss somewhere along the way.Not likely. A masters degree is worthless.

corksens
01-09-2010, 03:23 PM
PhD or MBA are the only degrees I can really appreciate.

A masters on it's own is nothing more than filling time.

JaysCyYoung
01-09-2010, 03:38 PM
Heh. I'm actually pissed off that I didn't go back for an additional year to get my masters. And yes it would be to delay making decisions.

BeLeafer
01-09-2010, 11:34 PM
well, you'd be in the completely wrong ballpark. mutliple scolarships, A average, got into teacher's college when it was extremely hard to do so.

Sure thing.

SundinsTooth
01-10-2010, 10:10 AM
Not likely. A masters degree is worthless.

well that is dependent on the field, don't ya think?

I know a master's in any geological field is worth a ton of dough.....and it is a pre-req for many employer's out there....

Any undergrad degree in physics, math, or engineering get's a lot of respect from me as well.

Hoss
01-10-2010, 10:48 AM
My former best friend in highschool went to university to get his business degree (real right wing goof ball) after his 4 year degree or whatever he decided to geta degree in Biology.... then Anthropology, then sociology. WHY cuz the real world scared him. His also amazing plan when he did his first degree was to claim bankruptcy to not pay back his OSAP. Well when collection agencies got to harrasing his mom and stuff he decided to pay it back.

After all that the dick has 4 degrees and is a paramedic... not even a hospital ambulance one, one of those private company ones

I hate that douche.

theREALkoreaboy
01-10-2010, 12:05 PM
the university lifestyle is very, very appealing and i can totally understand why people would want to hang on to it as long as possible. the longer you do, the more you lose touch with the real world though.

zeke
01-10-2010, 04:26 PM
the "real world" being a government employee in suburban ottawa.

JaysCyYoung
01-10-2010, 04:27 PM
YouTube- nigga news

SundinsTooth
01-10-2010, 05:06 PM
Can you lend a nigga a pencil? Holy shit that is funny.

zeke
01-12-2010, 07:29 PM
so it looks like a shitkicker of an earthquake just nailed the impoverished 2+mil city of Port-au-Prince in Haiti.

if anyone can find any updates, post them here. so far - nothing.

BeLeafer
01-12-2010, 07:43 PM
Tragic.

That is the most improverished place I've ever seen. Was there as a teenager and it completely altered my outlook.

BeLeafer
01-12-2010, 07:49 PM
Sounds really bad ...

7.3 quake hits Haiti
Last Updated: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 | 7:20 PM ET
The Associated Press

A 7.3 magnitude earthquake hit Haiti on Tuesday.A 7.3 magnitude earthquake hit Haiti on Tuesday. (CBC)

The largest earthquake ever recorded in the area shook Haiti on Tuesday, collapsing a hospital where people screamed for help.

Other buildings also were damaged and scientists said they expected "substantial damage and casualties." With communications disrupted there were no reports of deaths or injuries soon after the quake, as powerful aftershocks shook the country.

The earthquake had a preliminary magnitude of 7.0 and was centred about 15 kilometres west of the capital of Port-au-Prince, the U.S. Geological Survey said.

It had a depth of eight kilometres. It was the largest quake recorded in the area, said USGS analyst Dale Grant, and the last major one since a magnitude-6.7 temblor in 1984.

An Associated Press videographer saw the wrecked hospital in Petionville, a hillside Port-au-Prince district that is home to many diplomats and wealthy Haitians. Elsewhere, a U.S. government official reported seeing houses that had tumbled into a ravine.

Haiti's ambassador to the U.S., Raymond Joseph, said from his Washington office that he spoke to President Rene Preval's chief of staff, Fritz Longchamp, just after the quake hit.

He said Longchamp told him that "buildings were crumbling right and left" near the national palace. He said he has not got through by phone to Haiti since.

Don Blakeman, an analyst at the USGS in Golden, Colo., said such a strong quake carried the potential for widespread damage.

"I think we are going to see substantial damage and casualties," he said. The quake was felt in the Dominican Republic, which shares a border with Haiti on the island of Hispaniola. Some panicked residents in the capital of Santo Domingo fled from their shaking homes.

In eastern Cuba, houses shook but no major damage was immediately reported.

"We felt it very strongly and I would say for a long time. We had time to evacuate," said Monsignor Dionisio Garcia, archbishop of Santiago.

In Haiti, the extent of the damage was unclear. "Everybody is just totally, totally freaked out and shaken," said Henry Bahn, a U.S. Department of Agriculture official visiting Haiti. "The sky is just gray with dust."

Bahn said he was walking to his hotel room when the ground began to shake. "I just held on and bounced across the wall," he said. "I just hear a tremendous amount of noise and shouting and screaming in the distance."

Bahn said there were rocks strewn about and he saw a ravine where several homes had stood: "It's just full of collapsed walls and rubble and barbed wire."

The U.S. National Weather Service issued a tsunami watch for Haiti, the Dominican Republic and the Bahamas, but said historically the region has seen few destructive tsunamis.

In Washington, U.S. President Barack Obama said on Tuesday that his "thoughts and prayers" were with the people of Haiti and pledged to come to their aid if needed.

"We are closely monitoring the situation and we stand ready to assist the people of Haiti," Obama said in a statement.

Felix Augustin, Haiti's consul general in New York, said he was concerned about everyone in Haiti, including his relatives.

"Communication is absolutely impossible," he said. "I've been trying to call my ministry and I cannot get through. … It's mind-boggling."
With files from The Associated Press
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/01/12/haiti-earthquake.html

axlsalinger
01-12-2010, 07:50 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/01/12/haiti.earthquake/index.html

(CNN) -- A major earthquake struck southern Haiti on Tuesday, knocking down buildings and inflicting a catastrophe on the impoverished Caribbean nation, its ambassador to the United States said.

"The only thing I can do now is pray and hope for the best," the ambassador, Raymond Joseph, told CNN.

The magnitude 7.0 quake struck about 10 miles (15 kilometers) southwest of the Haitian capital Port-au-Prince shortly before 5 p.m. Joseph said he had little information about the extent of damage from the quake, but one government official -- the only one he was able to reach -- told him houses had crumbled "on the right side of the street and the left side of the street."

"He said it is a catastrophe of major proportions," Joseph said.

zeke
01-12-2010, 08:01 PM
no video of any kind. no live coverage.

this could be real bad.

BeLeafer
01-12-2010, 08:03 PM
Sounds like they can't even get a phone line in.

zeke
01-12-2010, 08:07 PM
I just wonder if their lack of large buildings and the multitude of people living in virtual lean-tos might help keep the carnage down, even though all the buildings are collapsing.

BeLeafer
01-12-2010, 08:13 PM
No, the weaker the infrastructure/building stock, the worse the damage/casualties. Large buildings rarely get toppled in quakes, although they are often damaged so badly they can't be repaired.

The Managua quake of 1972 basically leveled the city. This looks very similar in magnitude and depth. The infrastructure is also likely quite similar.

zeke
01-12-2010, 08:14 PM
yeah, it sounds like all the buildings are pretty much toast.

zeke
01-12-2010, 08:34 PM
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-381111


some pictures coming in

Volcanologist
01-12-2010, 08:38 PM
Holy ****ing shit.

SundinsTooth
01-12-2010, 08:48 PM
It could be bad, just looking at some historical quakes and anything 6+ has huge death tolls. The combination of high pop and relative geological stability is going to be deadly. Aftershocks can last for years after an event like this, so you gotta be watchful of rescue efforts.....man, what a depressing event. Can these poor people catch a goddamn break?

BeLeafer
01-12-2010, 08:52 PM
It's a pretty large population - 2.5 to 3 million.

This is likely going to see a ton of casualties. And the rescue infrastructure or lack thereof will probably result in many more beyond the immediate destruction.

There's going to have to be a massive mobilization of aid to prevent that.

Montana
01-12-2010, 08:53 PM
F*cking brutal.........the death toll on this is going to be real ugly.

JaysCyYoung
01-12-2010, 10:30 PM
This might be the saddest comment of all, but I don't really see a difference between what I've seen of Port-au-Prince beforehand and what I see in those pics. The existing infrastructure is just so minimal to begin with.

SundinsTooth
01-12-2010, 10:39 PM
This might be the saddest comment of all, but I don't really see a difference between what I've seen of Port-au-Prince beforehand and what I see in those pics. The existing infrastructure is just so minimal to begin with.

Yeah that is one poor country.

I just read a report that so much dust was thrown up over the city that it was obscured for a good 20 minutes.....

SundinsTooth
01-12-2010, 10:45 PM
Mexico making new records....

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26583308-954,00.html


69 murders in one day, with one victim getting his face removed and sewn onto a soccer ball.

I really don't know whether to laugh or vomit.

20,000 murders since 2001. What a joke....make drugs legal already, jesus.....

MindzEye
01-12-2010, 10:54 PM
My ex lost her brother and step father to a wrong place, wrong time murder at the hands of cartel members last spring.

I love the place, but this escalation in the violence has definitely made me put more thought into wanting to be there on a more permanent basis.

This is a terrible externality of a ridiculous U.S domestic drug policy.

lecoqsportif
01-12-2010, 11:57 PM
Not likely. A masters degree is worthless.

Depends on the field of study. Some professions basically require an MA as a minimum requirement.

Factinista
01-13-2010, 10:02 PM
Monsanto's GMO corn linked to organ failure in rats:


In a study released by the International Journal of Biological Sciences (http://www.biolsci.org/), analyzing the effects of genetically modified foods on mammalian health, researchers found that agricultural giant Monsanto's GM corn is linked to organ damage in rats.
According to the study (http://www.biolsci.org/v05p0706.htm#headingA11), which was summarized by Adam Shake at Twilight Earth (http://twilightearth.com/environment/report-monsanto-corn-causes-organ-damage-in-mammals/), "Three varieties of Monsanto's GM corn - Mon 863, insecticide-producing Mon 810, and Roundupฎ herbicide-absorbing NK 603 - were approved for consumption by US, European and several other national food safety authorities."
Monsanto gathered its own crude statistical data after conducting a 90-day study, even though chronic problems can rarely be found after 90 days, and concluded that the corn was safe for consumption. The stamp of approval may have been premature, however.
In the conclusion of the IJBS study, researchers wrote:

"Effects were mostly concentrated in kidney and liver function, the two major diet detoxification organs, but in detail differed with each GM type. In addition, some effects on heart, adrenal, spleen and blood cells were also frequently noted. As there normally exists sex differences in liver and kidney metabolism, the highly statistically significant disturbances in the function of these organs, seen between male and female rats, cannot be dismissed as biologically insignificant as has been proposed by others. We therefore conclude that our data strongly suggests that these GM maize varieties induce a state of hepatorenal toxicity....These substances have never before been an integral part of the human or animal diet and therefore their health consequences for those who consume them, especially over long time periods are currently unknown."Monsanto (http://www.monsanto.com/products/techandsafety/fortherecord_science/2010/monsanto_response_de_vendomois.asp) has immediately responded to the study, stating that the research is "based on faulty analytical methods and reasoning and do not call into question the safety findings for these products."
The IJBS study's author Gilles-Eric S้ralini responded to the Monsanto statement on the blog, Food Freedom (http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/three-approved-gmos-linked-to-organ-damage/), "Our study contradicts Monsanto conclusions because Monsanto systematically neglects significant health effects in mammals that are different in males and females eating GMOs, or not proportional to the dose. This is a very serious mistake, dramatic for public health. This is the major conclusion revealed by our work, the only careful reanalysis of Monsanto crude statistical data."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/12/monsantos-gmo-corn-linked_n_420365.html

Volcanologist
01-13-2010, 10:08 PM
Boy, Monsanto's really climbing the Evil ladder.

MindzEye
01-13-2010, 11:00 PM
Shit...I've had a serious hate on for Monsanto since I became aware of what they were up to 6-8 years ago.

I'd say they've been near the top of the evil ladder with Halliburton, KBR, Xe (formerly known as Blackwater), Diebold , etc for quite some time now.

JaysCyYoung
01-13-2010, 11:21 PM
Monsanto and Blackwater are actually cartoon super-evil. It's ridiculous.

JohnnyHolmes
01-13-2010, 11:22 PM
Legalizing drugs will just put the cartels out of business. What are they going to do then?

Start living the straight life?

I am talking about Mexico.

Volcanologist
01-13-2010, 11:28 PM
Monsanto and Blackwater are actually cartoon super-evil. It's ridiculous.

http://scienceblogs.com/isisthescientist/dr_evil_laser.jpg

"Oh, so you want to 'grow your own stock' to 'preserve biodiversity'....well isn't that special."

johnunit
01-13-2010, 11:51 PM
Legalizing drugs will just put the cartels out of business. What are they going to do then?

Start living the straight life?

I am talking about Mexico.

they'll lose the funds to pay for ammunition, security, etc. It only pays to be in crime if you can make money off of it, and most of those guys are in because it pays. If you take away their primary reason for existing, yeah, a lot of them WILL take up the straight life. Or at least a lot of them won't have the money and influence to maintain a lifestyle of thuggery.