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Metalleaf
10-23-2011, 02:47 PM
For things like injury updates and callups because I don't know which thread some of this stuff would be appropriate to post it in:

Paul Hendrick
Ron wilson says james reimer will not dress tomorrow but will likely play thursday. Callup from marlies later today.

Paul Hendrick
Tyler bozak will be re-evaluated again tomorrow. He says he's good to go.

Jonas Siegel
Connolly endured his first day of contact at practice today. Still needs a few days.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-23-2011, 02:49 PM
Paul Hendrick
Ron wilson says james reimer will not dress tomorrow but will likely play thursday. Callup from marlies later today.





Oh boy, Monday's game in Philly could get ugly.

Hoss
10-23-2011, 02:53 PM
I hope to god they give Scrivens the start... just for the sake of it... just say that Gus as the back up needs the rest.

Hell I'll take Rynnas as well, a new goalie sometimes stumps teams as their scouting reports aren't as in depth. But Gus's scouting report just has "he sucks" on it.

Mega
10-23-2011, 02:57 PM
Leafs are gonna have to be extremely disciplined. Phillys PP is hot, our PK sucks, and so does Gustavsson.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-23-2011, 02:58 PM
Bryzgalov hasn't played well either -- in 6 games he's posted a .895 SV%. While Bobrovsky stopped 21 of 23 shots in a win in his only start. I bet no one saw this coming.

zeke
10-23-2011, 03:05 PM
I honestly hope Gus gets absolutely shelled in the first period tommorrow so that Ron is forced to put Scrivens in, and I hope to hell Scrivens' early season struggles are just a fluke and not for real.

Volcanologist
10-23-2011, 03:40 PM
We need to sticky this thread.

As for Monday, I DON'T hope Gus gets shelled. But he's not been very good in the NHL so far, and there's not much reason to think it'll change before tomorrow's game. We'll probably have to score at least 4 to win with him in net.

Seems like the Leafs much-vaunted goaltending depth is about to face its first test.

number17
10-23-2011, 03:42 PM
Gus WILL get shelled.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-23-2011, 03:43 PM
Seems like the Leafs much-vaunted goaltending depth is about to face its first test.

Depth only works if you rank the players in the proper order.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-23-2011, 03:45 PM
Gus WILL get shelled.

Ya, I'm not optimistic.

Gus was shelled by two of the worst scoring teams in the league the last couple games -- Boston and Montreal.

Philly is one of the best scoring team in the league so far. And the Leafs don't exactly play well in Philly in the best of times.

LeafGm
10-23-2011, 03:51 PM
That Philly game is definitely seriously frightening for us with Gus in net. The Leafs managed to pull out a win on Saturday because after Gus let in his stinkers at the start of the 2nd and 3rd periods, the Leafs pretty much just kept Montreal from getting any shots on net the rest of the way. With the serious offensive weapons Philly has, that isn't going to be an option. So, hopefully whichever of Bobrovsky or Bryzgalov gets the start will throw up a stinker of their own.

number17
10-23-2011, 03:53 PM
Gus' body language from the last 2 games tell you right now he's a goalie who doesn't want the crease. He has no confidence and that's a BAD thing going into Philly.

His GAA against MTL and BOS was 6.0. That is not going to come down vs the Flyers

zeke
10-23-2011, 03:55 PM
apparently burke has opened up contract discussions with Grabo's agent.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-23-2011, 04:01 PM
Grabo's a tricky situation. He's gotta be looking for Connolly type of money. Maybe slightly less if it's a long term deal.

zeke
10-23-2011, 04:34 PM
gotta think he'd be looking right at that Plekanec contract.

Metalleaf
10-23-2011, 05:09 PM
Kevin McGran
Tim Connolly practised with Leafs, taking full contact for first time. "A good day for me"

Volcanologist
10-23-2011, 05:12 PM
Kevin McGran
Tim Connolly practised with Leafs, taking full contact for first time. "A good day for me"

thank god. if bubbleboy can get his act in gear, we might actually be able to see what the Leafs look like with a full complement. Well, I guess Armstrong's still out, but he's not exactly a major cog.

LeafGm
10-23-2011, 05:19 PM
gotta think he'd be looking right at that Plekanec contract.
That's going to be an interesting contract negotiation. Pretty much everyone loves Grabbo as our "#2 center" right now, but I'm not sure what the general opinion of the board would be if he was making around $5M per season on a long-term deal.

Even though it's a long-shot with Russian players, hopefully we can leverage some kind of discount out of him. He endured three absolutely toxic years in Montreal's organization before he came here. And here, he gets along great with his coach and his teammates, he's broken-through on the ice and he's also engaged to a local girl that he's had two kids with. Maybe the possibility of ending up in another Montreal-like situation with a new team, along with everything positive that's happened in Toronto will be enough to help out Burkie in his negotiations.

mbow30
10-23-2011, 05:22 PM
getting engaged to a local girl he already fathered two kids with might serve as impetus to leave rather than to stay.

LeafGm
10-23-2011, 05:36 PM
Heh, good point.

Kaberle's local girl did a good job of keeping him around, but I don't know whether he knocked her up or not.

number17
10-23-2011, 06:22 PM
Grab genuinely likes this team. Keep in mind his career was on a down turn prior to coming here. If Grabs is smart, like MacA, he'd take a reasonable contract and stay in town.

Volcanologist
10-23-2011, 06:47 PM
If we're going to sign him now, I'm not sure I'd go past a 2 year deal. Grabs was a beast last season but it was only 1 year.

MindzEye
10-23-2011, 06:57 PM
With the way the cap keeps going, and the likelihood that it hits somewhere in the 70 million dollar range, getting Grabs locked into a 3-4 year deal worth 4.5ish wouldn't be bad at all. When looked at as a percentage of total expenditure under a 70 million (and rising) dollar cap, even 5 million dollars for a 55-65 point 2nd line centre isn't bad money spent at all.

With that said, with CBA negotiations firing up again, signing any deal before the new landscape is understood can be risky, but I'd be banking on little to nothing being done on the way the cap is calculated or the revenue division portions of it. The likelier clauses to be addressed will be things like rookie contracts (owners don't like being "forced" into paying young players 3 years into their careers big dollars) going to 5 years, as well as revenue sharing tweaks to prop up the shitty market welfare teams (Hi Ottawa!!!)

BG
10-24-2011, 03:15 PM
Top-end $4mil/season for Grabo, perhaps 3-4 seasons.

Should be looking at Pavelski/Krejci type money.

$3.75-$4.0

BG
10-24-2011, 03:17 PM
I think we'll see a focused and ready Gustavsson tonight.

The team needs to play for him though, blocking shots and playing a tight road game.

zeke
10-24-2011, 03:19 PM
Top-end $4mil/season for Grabo, perhaps 3-4 seasons.

Should be looking at Pavelski/Krejci type money.

$3.75-$4.0

those were RFA deals, not UFA deals.

fat chance getting him that cheap.

BG
10-24-2011, 03:25 PM
those were RFA deals, not UFA deals.

fat chance getting him that cheap.

Good point.

Still don't see him getting a Plekanec-type deal from Burke though.

number17
10-24-2011, 03:46 PM
Good to hear Burke has already started contract negotiation THIS early in the season though. That tells you how much he values Grabs as his 2nd line C and feels he's part of the future plan.

And we picked him up for a 2nd ... not bad Fletch ...

leafman101
10-24-2011, 04:04 PM
Don't forget Greg Patryn who is a better prospect than Luke Schenn.

mbow30
10-24-2011, 04:19 PM
tells me that burke wants to see if their prices are close enough to make negotiations worthwhile or if he should expedite trade negotiations to try and drive up his price.

Volcanologist
10-24-2011, 04:37 PM
There is no way Burke is going to pay Grabo 5 million or anything close to it.

If that's what he wants, he's a goner by the deadline.

Wayward DP
10-24-2011, 04:43 PM
I can see Grabs getting 4-4.5 over 2-4 years, but not too much more. And, depending on where we are in the playoff picture come the deadline, it wouldn't surprise me if he was shipped out.

Mega
10-24-2011, 04:56 PM
In Pleks case, he was the 1C playing ahead of Scott Gomez who makes 7.8 million or whatever, and he was coming off a 70pt season.

If I had to put money on it, I bet we get him around 4.5 depending on the term involved.

Volcanologist
10-24-2011, 05:00 PM
If Grabo puts up 70 points, then he can ask for 5 million.

LeafGm
10-24-2011, 05:03 PM
tells me that burke wants to see if their prices are close enough to make negotiations worthwhile or if he should expedite trade negotiations to try and drive up his price.
Yep, that's it exactly.

BG
10-24-2011, 06:23 PM
The Play-off Mold (offensive production):

2011-12 (projected):

1. 80+ (Kessel)
2. 70+ (Phaneuf)
3. 60+ (Lupul)
4. 50+ (Liles)
5. 50+ (Bozak)
6. 45+ (Grabovski)
7. 40+ (XXX)
8. 35+ (Kulemin)
9. 35+ (Schenn)
10. 30+ (XXX)
11. 25+ (XXX)
12. 20+ (Gunnarsson)

2010-11 (final):

1. 80+ (XXXX)
2. 70+ (XXXX)
3. 60+ (Kessel)
4. 50+ (MacArthur)
5. 50+ (Grabovski)
6. 45+ (Kulemin)
7. 40+ (Versteeg/Lupul)
8. 35+ (Kaberle)
9. 35+ (Phaneuf-paced)
10. 30+ (Bozak)
11. 25+ (Armstrong)
12. 20+ (Schenn)

BG
10-24-2011, 06:31 PM
Based solely on their pace right now (to which I'm not sure we have any recent Leafs comparison) Kessel and Phaneuf are playing at franchise level - it's been a lot of fun to watch. Of course it is impossible for either to maintain this pace - but these kind of jumps are often indicators of career years (see Byf, Dustin).

Cheaf
10-24-2011, 06:48 PM
The Play-off Mold (offensive production):

2011-12 (projected):

1. 80+ (Kessel)
2. 70+ (Phaneuf)
3. 60+ (Lupul)
4. 50+ (Liles)
5. 50+ (Bozak)
6. 45+ (Grabovski)
7. 40+ (XXX)
8. 35+ (Kulemin)
9. 35+ (Schenn)
10. 30+ (XXX)
11. 25+ (XXX)
12. 20+ (Gunnarsson)


Surely you jest, good sir.

BG
10-25-2011, 12:07 AM
Surely you jest, good sir.

Surely, I'm just tracking projected point totals that will be completely different by next week.

Kessel has an opportunity to crack the top couple of spots, but clearly we need someone to push in to the 65-70pt range to help him out.

Cojo
10-25-2011, 08:36 AM
If Connolly would get his ass back he should technically be in that ballpark no?

Cojo
10-25-2011, 08:37 AM
Nevermind, just looked at historical stats, no he wouldn't.

zeke
10-25-2011, 12:19 PM
Connolly has produced at a 68pt point pace since the lockout, a 62pt pace the last two years.

Volcanologist
10-25-2011, 01:54 PM
bubbleboy's managed to crack 50 points twice in his entire career. I think we should be happy to get that much, based on past history.

BG
10-26-2011, 04:11 PM
It really is production/game that we need, and of course he would need to be healthy enough for a playoff run if it comes to that...

zeke
10-26-2011, 04:47 PM
bubbleboy's managed to crack 50 points twice in his entire career. I think we should be happy to get that much, based on past history.

the old question....is it better to have a guy who scores 50 in 60 games, or a guy who scores 50 in 80 games?

leafman101
10-26-2011, 04:59 PM
JR on Phil the Thrill:


I'm very impressed with two guys in the League that seem to have something to prove, Phil Kessel and James Neal. Both guys seem to be in great shape. They're both skating extremely well and it seems like they've come into this season on a mission, which is important because both have extremely high expectations on them from their teams and their fans.

...

Phil Kessel has been ridiculed and beaten up by the sports media in Toronto and the fans, who were all saying he wasn't worth trading away the first-round pick, which happened to be Tyler Seguin. Even though he's had 30-goal seasons the last couple of seasons, when the team doesn't make the playoffs someone is going to get blamed, and Phil Kessel is getting blamed because of that trade.

I think that's unfair.

Phil is a very talented player with a whole city on his shoulders, and now he wants to silence all the critics by doing all that he possibly can to get this team into the playoffs. And you know what, he's been flying. There is nobody on that team that has been skating faster or trying harder than Phil Kessel. That's a tribute to him.


http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?id=3472

mbow30
10-26-2011, 05:04 PM
you know, roenick doesn't get many marks for his writing skills (with him it's all insight and being JR); but he phrased the kessel-first round pick debacle better than any media member to date.

'he wasn't worth trading away the first-round pick which happened to be Tyler Seguin'.

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-26-2011, 05:57 PM
the old question....is it better to have a guy who scores 50 in 60 games, or a guy who scores 50 in 80 games?

they are the same, both have 50, the pace argument is meaningless

Wayward DP
10-26-2011, 07:22 PM
they are the same, both have 50, the pace argument is meaningless

Not really. If one guy gets 50 points in 60 games, that means there is somebody else filling his roster spot for the remaining 20. And you'd have to assume said replacement would score at least a few points, contributing more offense cumulatively than from the 50 in 80 player.

Volcanologist
10-26-2011, 09:12 PM
the old question....is it better to have a guy who scores 50 in 60 games, or a guy who scores 50 in 80 games?

I'd need to know more about the two players besides their point totals to answer that question.

zeke
10-26-2011, 10:12 PM
they are the same, both have 50, the pace argument is meaningless

in one case, you have the better player, but for fewer games. (plus a replacement player)

in the other case, you have the lesser player, but for more games.

in the games the first guy is healthy, you're a better team. key is to have him healthy at the right time.

zeke
10-26-2011, 10:13 PM
I'd need to know more about the two players besides their point totals to answer that question.

ceteris paribus

Volcanologist
10-26-2011, 10:26 PM
ceteris paribus

The player who plays 80 games is doing absolutely nothing to help the team in those extra 20 games played? A player does nothing other than score points? Which of the two is likelier to be around when the playoffs start?

There are cases where you'd pick one, and cases where you'd pick the other.

BG
10-26-2011, 10:37 PM
The player who plays 80 games is doing absolutely nothing to help the team in those extra 20 games played? A player does nothing other than score points? Which of the two is likelier to be around when the playoffs start?

There are cases where you'd pick one, and cases where you'd pick the other.

In the Leafs case, those extra points would likely be the difference between making the playoffs, or adding another year of futility.

LeafOfFaith
10-26-2011, 11:40 PM
It doesn't take place in a vacuum.

A guy getting injured regularly throws the rest of the team off.

Lines need to be shuffled, players accustomed to new linemates, some other player who wasn't good enough to make the lineup inserted to replace him, etc.

There's a lot of dynamics in play, not just the injured guy's point totals.

Blueman
10-27-2011, 03:05 PM
I will take the guy who scores 50 in 60 for the playoffs.

zeke
10-27-2011, 03:23 PM
Weird that people would respond to me saying that it's an "age old question" by telling me that it's hard to answer it.

Mega
10-27-2011, 04:07 PM
Allaire says he feels Scrivens is close to being NHL ready.

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=379041

LeafGm
10-27-2011, 04:19 PM
Well, if Gus shits the bed against the Rangers tonight and Reimer still isn't ready to go by Saturday, hopefully Allaire will convince Wilson to go with Scrivens.

Volcanologist
10-27-2011, 04:51 PM
Allaire says he feels Scrivens is close to being NHL ready.

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=379041

Just in the nick of time too, by the sounds of things.

Mega
10-27-2011, 04:55 PM
It was probably the plan all along, but I think they really did need to give Gus another chance.

number17
10-27-2011, 05:05 PM
Personally, if Dreger is correct that there are teams asking about Gustavsson, I'm quite ready to cut ties with Gustavsson right now.

We still have Rynnas in the system.

Mega
10-27-2011, 05:11 PM
Where did you see that?

number17
10-27-2011, 05:20 PM
That's what Dreger said on TSN Radio.

He said teams have been kicking the tires but nothing serious, and Burke isn't answering any phone call at the moment but there's interest in Gunnarson, Franson and Gustavsson from multiple teams.

Prob nothing more than a 4th rounder for Gusto at the moment.

LeafOfFaith
10-27-2011, 06:25 PM
Gunnarson is so good. I've always liked him. I'd hate to part with him unless it was a killer deal.

Wayward DP
10-27-2011, 06:45 PM
Gunnarson is so good. I've always liked him. I'd hate to part with him unless it was a killer deal.

I also really like Gunn... but due to our depth on D if he's the missing piece in a bigger deal I'd be okay seeing him go. Of course, ideally we'd keep him; he's been nothing but very solid in all his time as a Leaf.

Metalleaf
10-27-2011, 07:23 PM
Reimer on IR with concussion like symptoms, yeah ****ed is a word I'd use.

Wayward DP
10-27-2011, 07:26 PM
Reimer on IR with concussion like symptoms, yeah ****ed is a word I'd use.

Was inevitable really. Foolish of us to expect whatever possible could go wrong not to.

LeafOfFaith
10-27-2011, 07:36 PM
Oh, how nice. Season over.

leafman101
10-28-2011, 12:10 PM
James Mirtle
Mats Sundin said Kaberle told him “he wished he won the Cup for the Toronto Maple Leafs.” tgam.ca/DCCe /via @dshoalts

Wayward DP
10-28-2011, 12:55 PM
Kabs will always be a Leaf at heart. Too bad his run with the team had to end the way it did, but I'm glad he won a cup and we got a pretty sweet return for him.

Volcanologist
10-28-2011, 01:42 PM
James Mirtle
Mats Sundin said Kaberle told him “he wished he won the Cup for the Toronto Maple Leafs.” tgam.ca/DCCe /via @dshoalts

me too Kabs. me too.

zeke
10-28-2011, 01:58 PM
The trade crushed Kabby's heart. He doesn't even look like he wants to play hockey anymore.

JaysCyYoung
10-28-2011, 03:07 PM
If we could bring him back for around one million per season I would love to do it somehow. He belongs in Toronto.

Jeremy
10-28-2011, 03:48 PM
Steckel: 8 goals career high in 76 games (2008-2009)
2011-2012: 3 goals, 9 games
On pace for over 20 goals

Mega
10-28-2011, 04:01 PM
You see him try to dangle last night?

His confidence is high lol...

JaysCyYoung
10-28-2011, 04:03 PM
Well he did score 30 goals and 61 points in the AHL prior to his initial call-up to Washington and he produced well at Ohio State when he played in the NCAA so who knows. His career has followed a Brian Boyle trajectory to this point and he notched over twenty for the Rag$ last season.

LeafGm
10-28-2011, 04:17 PM
If we could bring him back for around one million per season I would love to do it somehow. He belongs in Toronto.
I hope so. Though he's signed with the toilet pucks until he's 36.


You see him try to dangle last night?

His confidence is high lol...
On the PK right? Too funny. He was going for an Ovechkin move, on the PK in front of the other team's net.

LeafOfFaith
10-28-2011, 06:01 PM
I love Kabby, but I don't think I want him back.

Phaneuf, Liles, and Gardiner seem to all be better than him now, and we don't need a fourth guy like them on his last legs pushing out Aulie, for one.

Jeremy
10-28-2011, 06:29 PM
I personally would have loved to have seen Kaberle brought back. 3 million per season as well.

Jeremy
10-28-2011, 10:47 PM
Nice story from TSN on Joffrey Lupul:

It took 363 days, two back surgeries, a blood infection, and months of labourious training before Joffrey Lupul returned to the NHL.

The date was December 5th, 2010, a Sunday evening at the Honda Center in Anaheim with the Ducks playing host to the Coyotes.

Exactly two months later and he was gone – just like that – sent to the Leafs in exchange for Francois Beauchemin. It was the fourth trade of his NHL career. His pride was wounded, his fight questioned, his reputation miles away from what it once was.

Now with a clean bill of health for the first time in years, Lupul is thriving, demonstrating the innate skills and scoring ability which saw him dealt for future Hall-of-Famer Chris Pronger on two separate occasions. The 28-year-old has five goals and ten points through the first nine games, bursting with fury out of the gate alongside linemate Phil Kessel.

His exit from Anaheim has not been forgotten.

"I've never been a guy that's wanted to prove [something] to other people," said Lupul, in conversation with The Leaf Report, "but I think definitely this time I was a little bit surprised and a bit hurt by the trade, just because of the fact that I knew and they knew how much effort and energy and how hard of a road it was back.

"I came back and was kind of just an afterthought there and didn't really get the chance that I felt I deserved. You can't really complain about it too much; it's business. They thought other players were better than me. I look at those players now and I can tell you they're probably not."

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/blogs/jonas_siegel/?id=379140

mbow30
10-29-2011, 11:34 AM
Interesting revelation out of Boston concerning Tyler Seguin(notes): "Seguin has a congenital hip condition that makes him more susceptible to a hip injury, according to league and team sources. The condition could lead to an injury that requires surgery and potentially shortens his career, the sources said, but is not a concern for the short term, nor is it affecting him presently."

phil kessel >

LeafGm
10-29-2011, 12:27 PM
Hmm...makes sense. The Bruins may have selected him, but Seguin was a Leaf draft pick in actuality, so of course he comes with some bizarre career limiting congenital defect. How are they just discovering this now?

leafman101
10-29-2011, 12:30 PM
Same goes for Luongo and his congenital choking condition. Leaf curse.

That really sucks for the Bruins though. Hip problems aren't good for hockey players.

Thank you Boston.

Metalleaf
10-29-2011, 12:34 PM
How do you guys explain Scott Neidermayer then? Maybe he was the chosen one?

mbow30
10-29-2011, 12:39 PM
he was drafted during the team's 4 year run of good luck -- ballard died, niedermayer was selected, they stole gilmour from the flames, had consecutive conference finals runs and then traded for sundin.

TimHorton
10-29-2011, 07:39 PM
That really is awful news...........just, awful.

HAHHAHAHAHHA

Montana
10-30-2011, 04:43 PM
Tyler Seguin said he was not born with a congenital hip condition, as ESPN Boston reported Friday.

I was not born with any symptoms or anything like that, said the Bruins forward, before the teams 4-2 loss to the Canadiens last night. Im 100 percent healthy. So whatever was said is false.

The report noted that Seguin would have to maintain strength in his hips to avoid a repetitive-stress injury.

My hips are 100 percent fine, Seguin said. With hockey, hips and groins are big things. Tons of guys go through setbacks. But Im 100 percent fine. I was not born with anything like that or any problems. Im great.


.

LeafGm
10-30-2011, 04:53 PM
A bit strange, considering that ESPN story included quotes from Peter Chiarelli.

Jeremy
10-30-2011, 04:59 PM
God is a Leafs fan. Seriously. He took away a player in Seguin who may have a shorter career and gave us the leading scorer in the NHL. Good stuff. Plus we raped the Ducks for Gardiner and Lupul. And the beat goes on ...

Montana
10-30-2011, 05:08 PM
"I'm not going to comment whether it's congenital or not," Chiarelli said. "I don't want to get into details what we think it is or isn't and I don't want any alarm bells going off. Like I said, you can go through our roster and there are probably 12 or 13 guys with something similar or the same thing.

"I'm not going to comment on any of our players' medical conditions that aren't really an issue," added Chiarelli. "We have guys with sore ankles and they play through it, so it's not something I'm going to comment on."

When asked whether he was concerned about Seguin's hip, Chiarelli was clear.

"No, I'm not," he said.


-espn

Jeremy
10-30-2011, 06:05 PM
Maybe the Seguin deal is payback for the Berard deal? :)

mbow30
10-30-2011, 06:34 PM
so clearly he has a congenital hip condition that very well could hinder his career, if not derail it completely.

LeafOfFaith
10-30-2011, 07:47 PM
How awesome will it be if Colborne and Kessel make up a monstrous first line for the next decade for us after we were so sad about Boston getting Rask, two 1sts, and Kaberle out of us.

Wayward DP
10-30-2011, 11:58 PM
Would be fitting

BG
11-01-2011, 12:08 PM
Play-off Mold Update:

1. 80+ (Phil Kessel-RW)
2. 70+ (Joffrey Lupul-RW)
3. 60+ (Dion Phaneuf-D)
4. 50+ (Clarke MacArthur-LW)
5. 50+ (Tim Connolly-C)
6. 45+ (Mikhail Grabovski-C)
7. 40+ (John-Michael Liles-D)
8. 35+ (Tyler Bozak-C)
9. 35+ (Nikolai Kulemin-LW)
10. 30+ (Matthew Lombardi-C)
11. 25+ (Carl Gunnarsson-D)
12. 20+ (Jake Gardiner-D)


I'm not sure Lupul and Phaneuf can keep up their paces, but can certainly see Kessel in the 70-80+ range. Nice to see MacArthur bouncing back - now just need to get Kuley going.

Metalleaf
11-01-2011, 12:42 PM
Confirmed: Kessel first star of the month.

Metalleaf
11-01-2011, 12:45 PM
Also Jake Gardiner left practice.

zeke
11-01-2011, 12:45 PM
Also reimer full practice, but scrivens still there too.

number17
11-01-2011, 01:00 PM
Reimer was in full practice yesterday too.

Mega
11-01-2011, 02:30 PM
Wilson said hes unsure of Reimers status this this week. Wtf.

Volcanologist
11-01-2011, 02:42 PM
Wilson said hes unsure of Reimers status this this week. Wtf.

concussions are like that.

Wayward DP
11-01-2011, 03:29 PM
concussions are like that.

QFT

LeafGm
11-01-2011, 03:40 PM
Wilson said hes unsure of Reimers status this this week. Wtf.
Well, if he's saying that today, we can probably count on seeing Gus in the net against Jersey tomorrow. We can only hope that Scrivens or Reimer are in the net for the BJ's on Thursday.

number17
11-01-2011, 04:18 PM
Allaire hinted he thinks Reimer can play but it's the doctors not giving the go-ahead. He said Reimer looks 100% from practices.

He also praised Scrivens and said he's "almost ready" for an NHL game, is 'very, very close' to be NHL ready.

LeafGm
11-01-2011, 04:25 PM
Allaire hinted he thinks Reimer can play but it's the doctors not giving the go-ahead. He said Reimer looks 100% from practices.

He also praised Scrivens and said he's "almost ready" for an NHL game, is 'very, very close' to be NHL ready.
Well then, using the Ron Wilson standard, he won't play yet. Not until he's very very very very close.

JaysCyYoung
11-01-2011, 04:32 PM
Ben Scrivens would easily be one of the forty or so best goaltenders in the NHL if he was called up today. There's simply no justifiable reason for keeping him down on the Marlies when he presents a superior option as starter compared to Gustavsson.

number17
11-01-2011, 04:33 PM
Wow, this is odd

The Leafs have sent Frattin to the Marlies but recalled Crabb to join the Leafs for the Devils game tomorrow.

I guess they realize Frattin isn't bringing anything to the table offensively and wants to give the 3rd line a spark offensively ... but Crabb ahead of Kadri???

Volcanologist
11-01-2011, 04:39 PM
Wow, this is odd

The Leafs have sent Frattin to the Marlies but recalled Crabb to join the Leafs for the Devils game tomorrow.

Crabb, and not Kadri???

this is the Leafs. it's not odd at all.

leafman101
11-01-2011, 04:39 PM
****ing morons.

number17
11-01-2011, 04:55 PM
I just don't see what exactly they intend to achieve by 1. bringing a career minor leaguer up and 2. keeping their best prospect on the 4th line with their AHL club.

leafman101
11-01-2011, 04:56 PM
Forget Kadri, how can you reward the AHL scrub, over the top prospect who is outperforming him.

Joey Crabb was a 50-60 point player in the AHL before he starting playing with Colborne. Its insanity.

Montana
11-01-2011, 05:02 PM
What. The. F*ck.

BG
11-01-2011, 05:02 PM
Can't we just be happy for Joey Crabb?

da_next_kid
11-01-2011, 05:32 PM
**** Joey Crabb.

number17
11-01-2011, 05:38 PM
It is one thing if you bring up say, Rosehill ... guys like him has a role.

But Crabb, who, all due respect, did play fairly well last season for the Leafs, is a career AHLer ... but he's really an AHLer who can give you some offense on the 3rd line, and you're way better off giving that spot to young prospects that can develop their game.

BG
11-01-2011, 05:44 PM
**** developing their game in the NHL. I want to win.

number17
11-01-2011, 05:46 PM
Lombardi is the one who SHOULDN'T be doing his conditioning in the NHL ...

mbow30
11-01-2011, 05:50 PM
**** developing their game in the NHL. I want to win.

do you honestly think that joey crabb is going to help a team win anything?

LeafGm
11-01-2011, 06:00 PM
Well, I'm glad Wilson finally ended the experiment with his golden boy. Hopefully Fratting can rediscover his scoring touch at the AHL level. As for Crabb over Kadri, not the least bit surprising. Given the organization's Kadri bias, he won't be back until he blows the doors off at the AHL level for a while. I'm resigned to it, so I won't bother complaining anymore. And calling up Crabb after his start in the AHL to fill the empty spot on the wing is a way for them to back up their whole "every game is a tryout" mantra with the Marlies.

BG
11-01-2011, 06:02 PM
do you honestly think that joey crabb is going to help a team win anything?

I'm just ****ing around.

Bur seriously, of our bottom six forwards Lombardi is the only one who has really contributed offensively. None of Frattin, Kadri, Bozak, Armstrong has done ANYTHING from the 3rd line.

LeafOfFaith
11-01-2011, 06:17 PM
Wow, the Kadri experiment is officially over.

So who is a comparable prospect out of favor with his current team that we might want to flip him for?

JaysCyYoung
11-01-2011, 06:21 PM
Wow, the Kadri experiment is officially over.

So who is a comparable prospect out of favor with his current team that we might want to flip him for?

http://www.thehockeynews.com/imgs/dynamique/photos/original/article_13335_2.jpg

Wayward DP
11-01-2011, 06:25 PM
Well ****.

****ing leafs.

Metalleaf
11-01-2011, 07:19 PM
This place is hilarious.

TimHorton
11-01-2011, 07:56 PM
I had a dream.......Once just once we'd just play our best players from top to bottom.

leafman101
11-01-2011, 08:06 PM
Do these stupid *******s really think career 2nd line AHL Joey Crabb was the reason for Joe Colborne's success and not the other way around.

LeafGm
11-01-2011, 08:22 PM
Do these stupid *******s really think career 2nd line AHL Joey Crabb was the reason for Joe Colborne's success and not the other way around.
I doubt it. But I'm guessing they felt they needed a 3rd line winger who can bang, in the Armstrong/Frattin mold, not a center, so that's why Colborne didn't get the call.

Mega
11-01-2011, 08:26 PM
You know Crabb's gonna get it his all every single shift. I'm ok with this move, so long as if he isn't producing it doesn't last long.

LeafGm
11-01-2011, 08:32 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vWqRuqX7oU

leafman101
11-01-2011, 08:35 PM
I doubt it. But I'm guessing they felt they needed a 3rd line winger who can bang, in the Armstrong/Frattin mold, not a center, so that's why Colborne didn't get the call.

Well thats even worse, because what they really need is someone who can score on that line.

johnunit
11-01-2011, 08:44 PM
Joey Crabb isn't a total offensive black hole like some people think. He's sorta a slightly better Battaglia. Average all around, not a great passer, but not at all useless.

TimHorton
11-01-2011, 08:53 PM
He's sorta a slightly better Battaglia.

When you put it that way I'm won over........

****ing clown shoes

leafman101
11-01-2011, 09:04 PM
The sad part is Bates Battaglia was a much better hockey player.

He has way more NHL points than Crabb will end up having career games.

Wayward DP
11-01-2011, 09:06 PM
Leafs reasoning:

"Hmmm... our third line can't score. So, let's send down the struggling rookie, and replace him with... Well we have that Kadri kid, who was near the top of the OHL in scoring and has an incredible skillset and offensive creativity - oh wait, never mind him, we have a career AHLer - who has proven multiple times he is not an every day NHLer - riding another one of our top prospect's coattails, let's call him up!!!"

Volcanologist
11-01-2011, 09:27 PM
I'm clinging to the hope that this is because Kadri isn't physically ready yet.

teeds
11-01-2011, 10:02 PM
Not only does Burke want to make the playoffs, he also wants the Marlies packing the house at Ricoh. And what better way to do that is to consistently call up the highest energy scrub he can call upon and bring him up with the big club. It just makes too much sense.

zeke
11-01-2011, 11:09 PM
Joey Crabb instead of Kadri or Colborne.

That is hilarious.

Mega
11-01-2011, 11:43 PM
http://t.co/sdH68X5T

Cox's last article, I thought it was excellent.

Wayward DP
11-02-2011, 12:14 AM
http://t.co/sdH68X5T

Cox's last article, I thought it was excellent.

Same shtick Cox has done for years. When the Leafs are bad, he talks about the positives, when they're good, he focuses on what's wrong with them.

LeafOfFaith
11-02-2011, 05:14 AM
I don't think they're bringing Colborne up unless Connolly is injured late in the year.

I expect JC to be a Marlie for the entire season.

Cheaf
11-02-2011, 06:24 AM
The treatment of Kadri is firmly into the weird zone. You'd think the kid must have done something to deserve this. It looks like little more than a couple of old hacks not liking a kid who thinks he's hot stuff. Guys who couldn't get much beyond the AHL themselves seem to have a real hate-on for this kind of player. They identify with the Joey Crabbs, Tim Brents and Jeff Fingers of the world. They're going to teach you about humility kid, even if it wrecks your career.

CRL
11-02-2011, 09:39 AM
When I red that Crabb is called up and Frattin sent down I LOLed
Shortly after that I red that Wilson is doing good work and his contract is about to extend. Now I need a drink regardless.

Metalleaf
11-02-2011, 10:09 AM
7-3-1....****

Cojo
11-02-2011, 11:33 AM
We started out good last year too and look how we ended up.

Wilson better not get an extension based on one friggin month compared to his years that he's been here. To only have to prove yourself for one month is a joke... i feel burke knows better than this though.

leafman101
11-02-2011, 11:35 AM
Wilson shouldn't be extended until there is that "x" beside Toronto in the standings.

Volcanologist
11-02-2011, 11:46 AM
7-3-1....****

We've won 3 and lost 4 since coming out of the gate hot. The next month or so is critical. The Leafs have to avoid the type of lengthy swoon they've fallen into the past two seasons. It'll be more of a challenge than one might think since the same old problems continue to haunt us(weak starts to games, subpar goaltending, can't kill a penalty to save our lives, etc). Hopefully the improved offence will help...I don't see us getting shut out 11 times this season, for one.

Metalleaf
11-02-2011, 11:49 AM
The difference is the lack of an 8 game losing streak because of better depth and skill in the line-up

Cojo
11-02-2011, 12:13 PM
Wilson shouldn't be extended until there is that "x" beside Toronto in the standings.

Agreed!

JaysCyYoung
11-02-2011, 02:20 PM
I don't think they're bringing Colborne up unless Connolly is injured late in the year.

I expect JC to be a Marlie for the entire season.

I actually would be fine with that oddly enough. Colborne's got potential through the roof (Wolfie and I had him ranked in the top twenty five prospects for two consecutive years, including a sixteenth overall ranking one year), but he's very raw and the full year getting 20+ minutes per game with the Marlies and dominating professional competition through a full season is worth far more to him than playing a bit role on the Leafs. I just don't trust Wilson to utilize his skills as well as Eakins will, where Big Joe will be given ample opportunities in all game situations to contribute.

Jeremy
11-02-2011, 02:28 PM
I've got faith in this group of guys. I haven't felt this way in a long time. I believe we have what it takes to do very well. Chemistry is everything.

mbow30
11-02-2011, 03:18 PM
when you look at kadri having a near ppg rookie year in the ahl, and colborne's INCREDIBLE growth as a player from the time he arrived with the marlies... how can you not be happy with the job eakins is doing?

factor in even mediore prospects like holzer and lashoff coming in and playing competently as injury replacements last year, and it's looking like the leafs have a really good developmental coach on their hands.

it won't be long before he's in the nhl, imo.

Artnes
11-02-2011, 03:25 PM
Hopefully behind our bench. He has a knack of being able to get the most out of young players.

zeke
11-02-2011, 04:06 PM
we've yet to see an "Eakins-developed" youngster perform in the NHL.

mbow30
11-02-2011, 04:11 PM
we've yet to see an "Eakins-developed" youngster perform in the NHL.

reimer?

you have some bizarre issue with the guy.

he has, really, only been given two legitimate tools to work with -- kadri and colborne. there is some weird issue against kadri stemming from wilson or burke. the other guy has taken tremendous steps forward since eakins got his hands on him. he's like a completely different player.

the only other thing we can judge is how players have fit in upon being called up. i don't think everything on that front can be attributed to eakins, but he still deserves some marks for the fact that last year guys like crabb, boyce, holzer and lashoff stepped into the lineup seamlessly. not only that, crabb and boyce flat out made this team better (though of course that isnt' hard to do when you have shit like sjostrom, and brent taking regular shifts but still).

leafman101
11-02-2011, 04:19 PM
IMO Wilson's work with the young players on this team has been pretty damn impressive. With the exception of Tyler Bozak, pretty much all of them have improved dramatically under Wilson, and a number of them have had career years. Kessel, Grabo, Kuly, Mac, Gunnar, Phaneuf, Schenn. Its hard to complain about the development of any of the Leafs young players at the NHL level.

Too bad Kadri hasn't been given the opportunity.

zeke
11-02-2011, 04:36 PM
reimer?

weak.


you have some bizarre issue with the guy.


I don't think it's bizarre. I think he's underachieved with the Marlies rosters he's had, and I take exception with him playing a defensive four-line style which doesn't maximize our top prospects' development.

And just as importantly, I don't see any clear positives to praise him about.

Montana
11-02-2011, 04:53 PM
I think the biggest contributing factor to Colborne's development, was going from a third line checking role in Providence (as the Bruins wanted him to focus on the defensive aspects of his game) to being put into a 1st line, 1st PP role with the Marlies.


It's possible Eakins deserves some of the credit for Colborne's development.......but I think the biggest factor in him going from a 26pt player in 55gp with providence, to a 32pt player in 29 games with the Marlies, was simply his role and TOI distribution.

LeafOfFaith
11-02-2011, 06:18 PM
I think Colborne's awesomeness is a Colborne thing, not an Eakins thing.

I saw him in his very first Marlies game, and he looked awesome. Check the archives, I was uber pumped about JC from the first moment. And then I saw a few more Marlies games, one with the Leafs, and it was pretty apparent this guy was great.

That all happened with no or very little Eakins contribution.

Preston_Mizzi
11-02-2011, 06:23 PM
Start patting yourself on the back once he plays well in the NHL.

Kid has a long way to go, and quite frankly, I'm not too optimistic he'll ever be a 1st line player.

Montana
11-02-2011, 06:29 PM
If anyone deserves credit for picking out Joe Colborne, it's msun.......he was talking about him back in like 09, as someone we should target from the Bruins.

LeafOfFaith
11-02-2011, 06:48 PM
The issue isn't about credit for calls, it's about credit to Eakins for JC's development, which I don't really buy into.

Montana
11-02-2011, 06:49 PM
...nor do I.

LeafGm
11-02-2011, 06:51 PM
The issue isn't about credit for calls, it's about credit to Eakins for JC's development, which I don't really buy into.
Agreed. Remember when the media spent an entire year fawning over what a great job Paul Maurice was doing with our AHL players and prospects?

TimHorton
11-02-2011, 07:43 PM
Agreed. Remember when the media spent an entire year fawning over what a great job Paul Maurice was doing with our AHL players and prospects?

In fairness to Maurice, and I hate the googly eyed cock, you can be a good developer of young talent and a crap coach.

mbow30
11-02-2011, 07:47 PM
yeah, i think you guys took my comment way, way, way too far.

i never said colborne owes his talents to eakins' coaching.

but i think it's a bit nonsensical to deny that eakins has had a positive impact on colborne's development. his season last year was nothing short of a BIG TIME disappointment before he joined the marlies.

attribute it to his role on providence all you want, but he has done a complete 180 since coming here. sorry, but just as somebody like zeke is sitting here and blaming the providence coaching staff for his lack of production, eakins deserves some of the credit for his breakout.

mbow30
11-02-2011, 07:49 PM
The issue isn't about credit for calls, it's about credit to Eakins for JC's development, which I don't really buy into.

yeah, whatever you say.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-crOpkuztF6U/Te-OjxyNHFI/AAAAAAAAAto/iwgmwf0Lupc/s640/pat_on_the_back_1.jpg

Montana
11-02-2011, 07:50 PM
Going from a third line checking role, to a 1st line/1st PP unit role.......likely deserves the vast majority of the credit.

LeafGm
11-02-2011, 07:53 PM
It could also be as simple as the Providence Bruins being a team with a horrible lack of offensive talent, more than anything. Besides Colborne, not really a single guy with any legitimate offensive potential in the NHL at all. They didn't even at the very least have older guys like Zigomanis, who can add some offense to your team at the AHL level.

Montana
11-02-2011, 07:56 PM
So just imagine the kind of linemates he had on the third line...

TimHorton
11-02-2011, 07:58 PM
I need one of them back patters modified to jerk me off.....

Montana
11-02-2011, 08:00 PM
http://synthesis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/som.jpeg

LeafGm
11-02-2011, 08:03 PM
So just imagine the kind of linemates he had on the third line...
Yup.

mbow30
11-02-2011, 08:09 PM
the marlies stunk too and that didn't stop kadri from producing. i grant you ice time could have played (probably did play) a role, but the truth is you're just sort of shooting from the hip. if i recall the leafs made some comments about how he was being used, but we don't have any context for that (and, let's face it, burke, wilson et al have said things before that just flat out aren't true or are wrong). i highly doubt that he wasn't getting pp time, and that he spent the entire 55 games for providence on its third line.

do i think that eakins is a magician and somehow made colborne a better player?

no, but pushing the right buttons, finding the right linemates/chemistry and/or imbuing him with confidence all are or could have been factors in his progression, and bottom line is that a coach has a hand in that.

TimHorton
11-02-2011, 08:15 PM
do i think that eakins is a magician and somehow made colborne a better player?


I prefer to believe he has magic powers.

Montana
11-02-2011, 08:16 PM
the marlies stunk too and that didn't stop kadri from producing. i grant you ice time could have played (probably did play) a role, but the truth is you're just sort of shooting from the hip. if i recall the leafs made some comments about how he was being used, but we don't have any context for that (and, let's face it, burke, wilson et al have said things before that just flat out aren't true or are wrong). i highly doubt that he wasn't getting pp time, and that he spent the entire 55 games for providence on its third line.

There was a lot of Providence Bruin fans, and some Providence based articles that spoke of Colborne being used only in a checking line role......in fact I personally didn't realize Burke and Wilson had actually spoken of it themselves.





no, but pushing the right buttons, finding the right linemates/chemistry and/or imbuing him with confidence all are or could have been factors in his progression, and bottom line is that a coach has a hand in that.


key word there is "could"........sure those things may have played a role, but we know in 99% of cases, getting an increase in minutes from a third line role (and line mates) to a first line role (and first line line mates), and getting 1st PP unit ice time.....increases ones productivity.

We can pretty safely say, that the largest contributing factor to Colborne's increased production, was his increased ice time, and PP ice time.........we can't say that about Eakins possible influence.

zeke
11-02-2011, 08:18 PM
I'm happy to hear that the marlies are apparently playing a more attacking, defenseman-jumping style this year, at least.

LeafOfFaith
11-02-2011, 08:23 PM
yeah, whatever you say.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-crOpkuztF6U/Te-OjxyNHFI/AAAAAAAAAto/iwgmwf0Lupc/s640/pat_on_the_back_1.jpg

Keep on grinding that axe, little guy.

Montana
11-02-2011, 08:30 PM
http://momgrind.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Jew-cartoon.jpg

leafman101
11-02-2011, 10:29 PM
Here are the Leafs PK numbers (GAon/60) to see where the problems are:

Forwards

1. Connolly - 0.00
1. Bozak - 0.00
1. Armstrong - 0.00
1. Kessel - 0.00
1. Lupul - 0.00
3. Dupuis - 7.03
4. Lombardi - 10.47
5. Kulemin - 10.70
6. Brown - 11.18
7. Steckel - 11.45
8. Grabovski - 16.00

Defensemen
1. Gunnarsson - 4.90
2. Phaneuf - 6.35
3. Schenn - 11.72
4. Komisarek - 11.85
5. Liles - 17.04
6. Gardiner - 19.05

So basically Dupuis, Bozak, Gunnar and Phaneuf are awesome and everyone else stinks. Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul and Connolly haven't gotten much pk time (all :21 or less per game), so their numbers are skewed.

Brown isn't a very good PKer, but plays a lot (1:57/game - 4th among Leaf forwards). Bozak should be out there a lot more (0:43/game).

zeke
11-02-2011, 10:30 PM
surprised Bozak hasn't got more PK time.

He and Army should be a staple there, IMO.

leafman101
11-02-2011, 10:33 PM
Its pretty surprising considering he plays regularly on the PK and hasn't been on the ice for a SH goal yet all season. You'd think someone would notice that.

Wayward DP
11-03-2011, 12:21 AM
I would hope Wilson, the stat lover, is tracking this kind of stuff too.

Jeremy
11-03-2011, 01:10 PM
Next 7 games:

@Blue Jackets
Bruins@Leafs
Panthers@Leafs
@Blues
Sens@Leafs
Coyotes@Leafs
@Predators

worm
11-03-2011, 01:28 PM
could really go on a good streak
winning 5 should be doable
going 5-1-1 if reimer is back

fergy57
11-03-2011, 01:37 PM
ESPN has Phaneuf as #2 for Norris right now on their 'trophy tracker' page, with this write up:


2. Dion Phaneuf, Toronto Maple Leafs

No wonder Darryl Sutter got shown the door in Calgary last season. The Leafs’ trade with the Flames from a few years ago is looking like a total steal. Phaneuf has been a demon at all facets of the game and is a big reason for Toronto’s quick start in October.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/12095/trophy-tracker-top-norris-candidates

Demon Phaneuf.

Mega
11-03-2011, 02:02 PM
Time to update their photo archive.

leaffan2005
11-04-2011, 09:26 AM
Next 7 games:

@Blue Jackets
Bruins@Leafs
Panthers@Leafs
@Blues
Sens@Leafs
Coyotes@Leafs
@Predators

Rest of November is tougher after this stretch with a few more road games if I'm not mistaken so we have to take advantage of these games. Even if we go like 1-1-1 in the next three, we have the Sens, Coyotes and the Preds on the back-end of that stretch which are all very winnable games.

I have confidence in this team as long as they never play Gus again. Reimer/Scrivens has the potential to be one of the best tandems out there as long as they are used. Surely Wilson has to understand this eventually.

Jeremy
11-04-2011, 12:50 PM
Kessel first in scoring, Lupul tied for third with Vanek.

Volcanologist
11-05-2011, 01:51 PM
Demon Phaneuf. That's awesome.

Jeremy
11-05-2011, 05:46 PM
Haha, check out Wendel Clark without a moustache!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJpSLxJ0oFU&feature=feedu

Jeremy
11-05-2011, 05:46 PM
Demon Phaneuf. That's awesome.Yeah mang, I think we have a winner!

Jeremy
11-06-2011, 11:08 PM
We are now in third place overall (tied with Chicago in points but we have one more win). Pittsburgh and Dallas are first and second.

Preston_Mizzi
11-07-2011, 12:15 PM
No Connolly or Reimer at practice today.

Great news!

Aberdeen
11-07-2011, 12:33 PM
No Connolly or Reimer at practice today.

Great news!

Enter Joe Colborne or Kadri!

Mega
11-07-2011, 12:34 PM
Enter Joe Colborne or Kadri!

I was just gonna post that.

Edit: Emphasis added.

number17
11-07-2011, 01:04 PM
Im guessing it's just a maintenance day for Connolly. I think he finished the game vs Boston.

Volcanologist
11-07-2011, 01:26 PM
No Connolly or Reimer at practice today.

Great news!

How the **** is that "great news"??

Mega
11-07-2011, 01:30 PM
I'm think that's seething with sarcasm.

leafman101
11-07-2011, 02:04 PM
Jonas Seigel

Connolly out 10-14 days with an upper-body injury. Leafs will call someone up with Bozak to mind the void with Lupul and Kessel.

****ing Connolly. I guess Colborne is getting his shot.

Artnes
11-07-2011, 02:08 PM
Its almost comical at this point. It comes in three's so who is next?

Volcanologist
11-07-2011, 02:26 PM
LOL....ah, bubbleboy.

can't say I'm surprised.

The Green Hornet
11-07-2011, 03:10 PM
and regardless of who they call up you can bet that bozak gets the nod between kessel and lupul... oh happy joy, joy

Mega
11-07-2011, 03:13 PM
Wilson said Jonas Gustavsson is likely to get the start in goal against Florida. "He's been playing really well," he said.

I just... I can't... what??

Mega
11-07-2011, 03:14 PM
Gustavsson: SV% .880

Only 3 goalies worse in the NHL.

Artnes
11-07-2011, 03:24 PM
gonna have to be another 5 goal game

Mega
11-07-2011, 03:27 PM
Only Mason has a worse GAA.

TimHorton
11-07-2011, 03:28 PM
Who does Kadri have to blow to get a shot on that line?

Fitzgerald#11
11-07-2011, 03:35 PM
the same guy or guys Bozak does

zeke
11-07-2011, 03:39 PM
can't say that that line didn't look good with Bozak on it, though. he made a number of great backchecks which created fastbreak chances at the other end. Not to mention he was almost PPG on that line.

Wayward DP
11-07-2011, 03:59 PM
Of course. It's laughable that they still haven't admitted that Reimer has a concussion either. And the glass man breaks once more... I guess as a Leafs fan I really should have been expecting something like this to happen.

LeafGm
11-07-2011, 04:39 PM
Apparantly Matt Frattin is the guy we've called up from the Marlies.

Wayward DP
11-07-2011, 04:44 PM
Apparantly Matt Frattin is the guy we've called up from the Marlies.

So much for the meritocracy...

zeke
11-07-2011, 04:46 PM
there's been no callup yet.

just some speculation based on frattin's name being on the leafs roster at mapleleafs.com. though mapleleafs.com is exactly the most up to date source and I wouldn't be surprised if they had never taken his name off it in hte first place.

LeafGm
11-07-2011, 04:49 PM
Frattin has done okay since he's gone down (2 goals, 3 points in 3 games), but considering he's already had an 11-game shot in the NHL this year and didn't get it done, it'd be nice to see him spend a bit more than three games in the AHL, especially when our top two forward prospects haven't gotten a shot yet this year, and one of them's leading the AHL in scoring.

LeafGm
11-07-2011, 04:52 PM
there's been no callup yet.

just some speculation based on frattin's name being on the leafs roster at mapleleafs.com. though mapleleafs.com is exactly the most up to date source and I wouldn't be surprised if they had never taken his name off it in hte first place.
A valid point. I'm pretty sure the all-time Leaf scoring leaders list still has Sundin listed as an active player. Funny that such a loaded organization puts so little effort into their website.

zeke
11-07-2011, 04:56 PM
It makes too much sense to reunite Colborne and Crabb for a few games, IMO.

Metalleaf
11-07-2011, 07:06 PM
Rightly or wrongly I think Frattin being an RFA at season's end has something to do with it.

Volcanologist
11-07-2011, 07:34 PM
If it's Frattin...so much for the "meritocracy".

Mega
11-08-2011, 01:47 AM
I've really liked what Steckel has brought to the table, and I like what he says.



“I mean, we’re at 30th,” centre David Steckel said Monday after practice. “So it’s the bottom of the barrel. No matter what we’re doing, it’s not going to get any worse at this point.”

“I’ve made it a point and the coaches have the last couple of days here that it’s losing games for us,” he said. “We’re giving up key goals. It can’t be just, ‘Oh here we go again.’

Metalleaf
11-08-2011, 11:52 AM
Joe Colborne day to day with a lower body injury.

trujaysfan
11-08-2011, 11:55 AM
Must have been that junk punch leafs management gave him by calling up Frattin.

zeke
11-08-2011, 12:18 PM
I've really liked what Steckel has brought to the table, and I like what he says.

not sure that steckel is a very good PKer, really.

I think that both Bozak and Connolly are likely better options on the PK.

Metalleaf
11-08-2011, 12:23 PM
Must have been that junk punch leafs management gave him by calling up Frattin.

Leafs didn't call up Frattin til this morning, so no.

leafman101
11-08-2011, 12:28 PM
Steckel isn't a good a PKer. He isn't quick enough. He's only effective when he wins the faceoff.

trujaysfan
11-08-2011, 01:02 PM
Leafs didn't call up Frattin til this morning, so no.

so all those reports yesterday were just speculation?

Metalleaf
11-08-2011, 01:07 PM
I don't see why it matters, if Colborne injured himself on Sunday, that probably played a role in the ultimate decision.

Mega
11-08-2011, 01:08 PM
not sure that steckel is a very good PKer, really.

I think that both Bozak and Connolly are likely better options on the PK.

Apparently, statistically speaking anyway, Dupuis is our best PK'er. I've liked what Steckel has said about our PK. Obviously it's hard to really like anyone on our PK.

Wayward DP
11-08-2011, 03:55 PM
Apparently, statistically speaking anyway, Dupuis is our best PK'er. I've liked what Steckel has said about our PK. Obviously it's hard to really like anyone on our PK.

Almost certain that's not true. Somebody posted the GA/60 shorthanded stats for the team last week, and Bozak was at the top, followed by Glass Man.

MindzEye
11-08-2011, 04:51 PM
According to Millard on hockey central, Frattin is centreing the 3rd line.

Yes, Frattin at centre. If a junk punch has been delivered, it's to Naz Kadri. They would rather bring up a guy 2 years older, with less NHL experience, less NHL success...and play him out of position than play their former 7th overall draft pick, who hasn't done a ****ing thing wrong in his development so far other than a) listening the the Leafs training staff to a "T" every summer & b) have a high opinion of himself.

Wayward DP
11-08-2011, 04:55 PM
According to Millard on hockey central, Frattin is centreing the 3rd line.

Yes, Frattin at centre. If a junk punch has been delivered, it's to Naz Kadri. They would rather bring up a guy 2 years older, with less NHL experience, less NHL success...and play him out of position than play their former 7th overall draft pick, who hasn't done a ****ing thing wrong in his development so far other than a) listening the the Leafs training staff to a "T" every summer & b) have a high opinion of himself.

Yeah I'd say that's a pretty good junk punch.

It just bothers me that Kadri seems to get treated differently than every other one of our prospects. He seems to be held to a completely different standard. Again, I hope this is just Burke and co using the kid gloves on him, but it keeps getting harder and harder to believe that.

LeafGm
11-08-2011, 04:56 PM
Millard's wrong I'm sure. Lombardi's a natural center who's only been playing on the wing because of our abundance of centers. What possible reason would they have for playing a rookie winger at center on the third line when they can just slide Lombardi back over to the middle?

zeke
11-08-2011, 04:59 PM
Millard rhymes with ?

leafman101
11-08-2011, 05:09 PM
Yeah Lombardi is being moved back to center. Wilson confirmed it.

Metalleaf
11-08-2011, 05:10 PM
Jonas Siegel
As expected, Matt Frattin recalled from the Marlies to replace Connolly. Scored twice on Sunday, will skate with Lombardi and Crabb.

MindzEye
11-08-2011, 05:15 PM
Millard rhymes with ?

http://bearmythology.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/zach-galifianakis-sunglasses.jpg

Retard?

Metalleaf
11-08-2011, 05:18 PM
I'm guessing Connolly has a cracked rib, he was cross-checked against Boston, its an upper-body injury and it isn't his head or shoulder...

Jonas Siegel
Connolly said he was cross-checked early in the Boston game. Managed to tough it out.

number17
11-08-2011, 05:19 PM
I dunno what they see in Frattin, but I'm not necessarily as disgusted about recalling Frattin ahead of Kadri.

Kadri obviously has a higher ceiling, but for a 3rd time role, they may see Frattin further ahead of Kadri in terms of development. Kadri wasn't really impressive in the few games he played here, and they sent Frattin down to the AHL so that he could find his scoring touch again. He did, and now he's backup.

If Burke & Co feel Colborne, Kadri etc are top 6 who should spend more time in development before they graduate into NHL, so be it. They see Frattin as a 3rd line player and that's different than Kadri.

zeke
11-08-2011, 05:52 PM
I think that's part of it, but it's also that Frattin is near 24 and better get a jumpstart on this whole NHL thing before its too late.

Kadri and Colborne are only 21. Kadri is JUST 21.

Metalleaf
11-08-2011, 05:55 PM
Frattin is also an RFA, so they need to know what he is before too long.

Mega
11-08-2011, 06:12 PM
Almost certain that's not true. Somebody posted the GA/60 shorthanded stats for the team last week, and Bozak was at the top, followed by Glass Man.

I'm sure I read that recently. I'll keep looking.

Wayward DP
11-08-2011, 06:18 PM
It was posted in another thread here somewhere... will look and see if I can find it.

leafman101
11-08-2011, 06:20 PM
Here are the Leafs PK numbers (GAon/60) to see where the problems are:

Forwards

1. Connolly - 0.00
1. Bozak - 0.00
1. Armstrong - 0.00
1. Kessel - 0.00
1. Lupul - 0.00
3. Dupuis - 7.03
4. Lombardi - 10.47
5. Kulemin - 10.70
6. Brown - 11.18
7. Steckel - 11.45
8. Grabovski - 16.00

Defensemen
1. Gunnarsson - 4.90
2. Phaneuf - 6.35
3. Schenn - 11.72
4. Komisarek - 11.85
5. Liles - 17.04
6. Gardiner - 19.05

So basically Dupuis, Bozak, Gunnar and Phaneuf are awesome and everyone else stinks. Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul and Connolly haven't gotten much pk time (all :21 or less per game), so their numbers are skewed.

Brown isn't a very good PKer, but plays a lot (1:57/game - 4th among Leaf forwards). Bozak should be out there a lot more (0:43/game).

It was in this thread.

Wayward DP
11-08-2011, 06:21 PM
Ah yeah, so Dupuis was the best of the bums, who were all not as good as Bozie, Connolly, and Army.

Mega
11-08-2011, 06:27 PM
Yeah, although Connolly's stats are misleading, he's only played 6 games and I dont think he was on the PK to start with.

I think what I read was he's the best penalty killing forward who've played a significant amount of time on the PK. I guess you could argue Bozak is better, but Dupuis has played more than double the minutes.

1927

Mega
11-08-2011, 06:28 PM
I'm speaking statistically btw.

I dunno why images get shrunk, heres the link.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20122TORSASALL&sort=shortHandedTimeOnIce&viewName=timeOnIce

Wayward DP
11-08-2011, 06:36 PM
And Dupuis has been on the ice for a ton more goals against, both total, and /60 mins. It's not like Bozak doesn't PK either, he's on for over a minute/game. In half as much PK time Bozak has been on the ice for significantly fewer than half as many goals as Dupuis. I don't think you can argue Dupuis is a better PKer statistically.

Mega
11-08-2011, 06:38 PM
I dunno what I'm arguing actually.

I agree, I think Bozak is better on the PK. I think he's better cuz he might actually score.

You know who's a great PK'er, Tomas Plekanec. I think it's because as soon as the puck is on his stick, he's on the attack. The Leafs do not try to score on the PK.

Wayward DP
11-08-2011, 07:35 PM
Leafs are way too passive on the PK, and absolutely suck at winning battles for the puck and then clearing it.

zeke
11-09-2011, 01:46 PM
small line change in practice:

3rd: Frattin - Steckel - Lombardi
4th: Brown - Dupuis - Crabb