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Habsy
11-12-2012, 11:16 PM
I think I just found my next car. This thing looks sweet and is surprisingly affordable for what you are getting. The fact it goes 0-60 in 3.9 seconds too is nothing short of miraculous.

American ingenuity.


http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_ s/?ti=v3&sc_cid=MSN_COTY_TSL_1112

Plus you get a great Federal Tax credit on it.

Deckie007
11-12-2012, 11:28 PM
Sexy.

axlsalinger
11-12-2012, 11:44 PM
Looks like a pretty awesome car.

Habsy
11-12-2012, 11:55 PM
$7500 federal tax credit is nothing to sneeze at either. Now I gotta find out how long the waiting list is. My lease is up in 6 months.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 12:06 AM
I want to wait and see what the cold weather and reliability, real world statistics are like with the Tesla....but it's definitely on the want list. Not for the car I buy in the spring (looking at S5's, C63 AMG's, and a few others), but probably whatever I get into after that.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 01:37 AM
Don't really have cold weather issues here. Doubt I would drive that car up North anyway.

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2012, 07:01 AM
nice. sergei berezin must be having a good year.

Habspatrol
11-13-2012, 07:41 AM
I really doubt that.

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2012, 08:45 AM
so you're saying habsy doesnt make his living off the sweat of our brows and the clicks of our mouse fingers??

corksens
11-13-2012, 10:15 AM
I think I just found my next car. This thing looks sweet and is surprisingly affordable for what you are getting. The fact it goes 0-60 in 3.9 seconds too is nothing short of miraculous.

American ingenuity.


http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_ s/?ti=v3&sc_cid=MSN_COTY_TSL_1112

Plus you get a great Federal Tax credit on it.Good for Florida. I wouldn't be caught in one of those when the weather is -30c in Ottawa.

They also have a nasty penchant to go up in flames, by the way. Look it up.

corksens
11-13-2012, 10:17 AM
so you're saying habsy doesnt make his living off the sweat of our brows and the clicks of our mouse fingers??If you paid attention you'd know Habsy runs this site at a loss.

corksens
11-13-2012, 10:21 AM
I want to wait and see what the cold weather and reliability, real world statistics are like with the Tesla....but it's definitely on the want list. Not for the car I buy in the spring (looking at S5's, C63 AMG's, and a few others), but probably whatever I get into after that.Sweet. I'd like a Audi S anything.

It's crazy how time flies but I've been with my new girlfriend for over a year. Things couldn't be better. I'm not rushing into anything (no wedding bells for awhile) but I'm thinking my next car shouldn't be a sports car, but maybe a luxury SUV just in case things change in the next 2-3 years.

So...do I spend alittle more and get the Audi Q5

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/roadtest/2229171.bin?size=620x400

Or save some scratch and get something alittle more old-manish via the Acura RDX?

http://image.motortrend.com/f/39786564+w569+h356+ar1/2013-Acura-RDX-side.JPG.jpg

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2012, 10:33 AM
If you paid attention you'd know Habsy runs this site at a loss.

you get it that i was kidding, right? genius?

mtl79
11-13-2012, 11:09 AM
I think I just found my next car. This thing looks sweet and is surprisingly affordable for what you are getting. The fact it goes 0-60 in 3.9 seconds too is nothing short of miraculous.

American ingenuity.


http://www.motortrend.com/oftheyear/car/1301_2013_motor_trend_car_of_the_year_tesla_model_ s/?ti=v3&sc_cid=MSN_COTY_TSL_1112

Plus you get a great Federal Tax credit on it.

I don't know much about electric cars, but I heard that the battery requires replacement after 7 or so years which costs a small fortune.... something you might want to consider researching before buying :)

worm
11-13-2012, 11:55 AM
habsy wont keep the car for 7 years

mtl79
11-13-2012, 11:56 AM
True, but the condition of the battery might affect resale value :)

zeke
11-13-2012, 12:08 PM
Sweet. I'd like a Audi S anything.

It's crazy how time flies but I've been with my new girlfriend for over a year. Things couldn't be better. I'm not rushing into anything (no wedding bells for awhile) but I'm thinking my next car shouldn't be a sports car, but maybe a luxury SUV just in case things change in the next 2-3 years.

So...do I spend alittle more and get the Audi Q5

http://www.driving.ca/research-car/roadtest/2229171.bin?size=620x400

Or save some scratch and get something alittle more old-manish via the Acura RDX?

http://image.motortrend.com/f/39786564+w569+h356+ar1/2013-Acura-RDX-side.JPG.jpg

even though all these SUVs are starting to look the same, both of these are great.

I'm not up to date on the prices but if the Acura is significantly cheaper I say go for it (even though I'm a huge Audi fan) - you won't be dissappointed with that car. It is pretty slick.

corksens
11-13-2012, 12:14 PM
Q5 Interior

http://trendszine.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/audi_q5_in1_09.jpg

Acura RDX Interior

http://image.trucktrend.com/f/36048194/2013-Acura-RDX-interior.jpg

I'm going to lease my next car - and the payment is about $100 a month less on the RDX. I test drove it and loved the power but the drive isn't quite as tight as the Q5. Both have AWD. I like the interior of the Q5 alittle more too, but not enough to justify the extra cost.

zeke
11-13-2012, 12:19 PM
Nothing is quite as tight a ride as the Audis, really. They're just excellent cars through and through.

But that RDX is pretty sweet, and does have balls. I thought the interior was pretty snazzy too, myself. The car surprised me in general - never been a huge acura fan before.

mtl79
11-13-2012, 12:26 PM
Have you considered the GLK 350?

corksens
11-13-2012, 12:28 PM
Alittle boxy for me.

If I went German it would be BMW or Audi.

Used to have a 330i that I loved. Trying to get something nice and still be relatively practical.

johnunit
11-13-2012, 12:38 PM
The Tesla sedan supposedly (have yet to sit in one) has an absolutely stunning interior. Fit and finish is huge in that segment and it's supposedly neck and neck with the euro's of the same pricepoint while being, you know, as efficient as a 500CC motorbike. It's very, very interesting. I Think the real historic part of it is that it's finally got a long enough range for most people.


And yes, it's absolutely ****tastic looking.


Habsy, have you looked at the Fisker Karma? similar in some ways and maybe even better looking.

johnunit
11-13-2012, 12:40 PM
The GLK is a nice enough car but doesn't handle in quite the same league as the Audi or Acura. It still has vestigiable truckness.

leafman101
11-13-2012, 03:11 PM
I just got an A3. The German cars don't have the same tech and comfort that the Japanese cars do for similar prices but oh man are those things fun to drive. Love the audi.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 03:13 PM
Alittle boxy for me.

If I went German it would be BMW or Audi.

Used to have a 330i that I loved. Trying to get something nice and still be relatively practical.

You've changed man, you used to be cool.

Practical to me would be the S5...because of quattro. That's practical in a Canadian winter. Whatever you do, don't buy a vehicle planning on children you haven't even created yet.

corksens
11-13-2012, 03:17 PM
I'm not looking at the 7-seater MDX or anything. Just trying to cover a couple of bases in case my priorities change in the next few years.

I see it all the time - the reason so many people tread water is because they a) don't plan, and b) make poor decisions with cars.

By the way, both cars are full time AWD.

johnunit
11-13-2012, 03:18 PM
I've never considered an AWD car (partly) because it makes laying rubber harder. I think that may make me immature...

corksens
11-13-2012, 03:23 PM
Living in Ottawa, AWD is a must.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 03:26 PM
It's the only thing keeping me out of a C63 AMG really...I ****ing want one, but I'm terrified that it will be ridiculous to handle in the winter.

corksens
11-13-2012, 03:31 PM
It will be. Even my 330i RWD with winters was a tough drive.

These RWD cars with loads of torque are a nightmare in the winter.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 03:36 PM
It will be. Even my 330i RWD with winters was a tough drive.

These RWD cars with loads of torque are a nightmare in the winter.

Which is why I'm leaning S5....BMW's AWD system isn't nearly as good as Quattro, and the Porsche AWD options are hella expensive. I run an Infiniti right now, and I like it, but the G37 AWD doesn't appeal to me that much. Audi seems like the sensible choice....but I can't listen to the audio of the C63 exhaust anymore...it get a ****ing semi every time I do.

corksens
11-13-2012, 03:37 PM
#FirstWorldProblems

CRL
11-13-2012, 05:08 PM
to Habsy
no love for Fisker Karma?
http://www.cars-electric.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Fisker-Karma.jpg

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 05:24 PM
I really want to live in a place that has no winters....

worm
11-13-2012, 05:41 PM
I really want to live in a place that has no winters....

have you tried northern alberta? :p

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 06:10 PM
have you tried northern alberta? :p

Unfortunately I have....another year or two and I'll likely be done with this place though.

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2012, 07:56 PM
Alittle boxy for me.

If I went German it would be BMW or Audi.

Used to have a 330i that I loved. Trying to get something nice and still be relatively practical.

on my salary i couldnt get close to affording a 330i. can we strip YOU?

corksens
11-13-2012, 07:59 PM
on my salary i couldnt get close to affording a 330i. can we strip YOU?If you didn't have kids you could easily afford a 330i on 92k a year.

theREALkoreaboy
11-13-2012, 08:02 PM
right. only swinging single bachelors selling mortgages and moving money around like yourself deserve to drive nice cars.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 08:29 PM
What a twat.

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 08:29 PM
"Deserve"? Everyone makes choices. Kids = grocery getter.

That's life.

Bleedsblue&white
11-13-2012, 08:42 PM
I really want to live in a place that has no winters....

I still remember the first time I went down to Florida and discovered where all the VW bugs went.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 08:46 PM
"Deserve"? Everyone makes choices. Kids = grocery getter.

That's life.


Depends on what you consider a grocery hauler...this is what I picture

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TDS1wCPi8BI/AAAAAAADC_4/lPLEcnymh3U/s1600/Hofele-Porsche-Panamera-7.JPG

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 08:52 PM
Heh. Yeah. I'm not in that income strata.

SundinsTooth
11-13-2012, 08:57 PM
I love nice cars but accept the fact that I will never own one. Its a bummer but whaddayagoin do?

Drove in my buddies GT-R last weekend and OMG....ridiculous.

voyager
11-13-2012, 09:18 PM
A porcshe with 4 doors is an abomination against the god i don't believe actually exists. It's more offensive that KB and his drivel.

And yeah, 92k a year can afford a BMW. You can afford a pretty nice one if you got the CPO route. I'm thinking either a 335i (fully loaded) or a 328i (or 335i) cabriolet next summer. Granted I make more than 92, but you know what? KB can suck my life saving balls.

CRL
11-13-2012, 09:23 PM
A porcshe with 4 doors is an abomination against the god i don't believe actually exists. It's more offensive that KB and his drivel.

And yeah, 92k a year can afford a BMW. You can afford a pretty nice one if you got the CPO route. I'm thinking either a 335i (fully loaded) or a 328i (or 335i) cabriolet next summer. Granted I make more than 92, but you know what? KB can suck my life saving balls.

not a chance, I make twice of that I cant afford it

voyager
11-13-2012, 09:29 PM
not a chance, I make twice of that I cant afford it

How much blow a week do you do?

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 09:38 PM
A porcshe with 4 doors is an abomination against the god i don't believe actually exists. It's more offensive that KB and his drivel.

And yeah, 92k a year can afford a BMW. You can afford a pretty nice one if you got the CPO route. I'm thinking either a 335i (fully loaded) or a 328i (or 335i) cabriolet next summer. Granted I make more than 92, but you know what? KB can suck my life saving balls.


Agree.

But, I do have a Porsche....

http://www.worldofluxuries.com/prodimages/395_ebay%20pics%20Porsche%20Chroma%20Knives%20004. jpg

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 09:38 PM
A porcshe with 4 doors is an abomination against the god i don't believe actually exists. It's more offensive that KB and his drivel.

I'm at the part of my life where owning a "grocery hauler" is an abomination against the god I don't believe actually exists...but if I had to own an abomination, owning a Porsche abomination is the way to go imo.




And yeah, 92k a year can afford a BMW. You can afford a pretty nice one if you got the CPO route. I'm thinking either a 335i (fully loaded) or a 328i (or 335i) cabriolet next summer. Granted I make more than 92, but you know what? KB can suck my life saving balls.

A 330 over a 72 month finance is about 750 a month...not at all obscene

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 09:39 PM
Agree.

But, I do have a Porsche....

http://www.worldofluxuries.com/prodimages/395_ebay%20pics%20Porsche%20Chroma%20Knives%20004. jpg


Damn...bet it handles nice.

CRL
11-13-2012, 09:39 PM
How much blow a week do you do?

it is all about how life is expensive in GTA, housing+car insurance+comute, wife is not making much, kid is in university which is costly

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 09:39 PM
How much blow a week do you do?

lol

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 09:44 PM
I'm at the part of my life where owning a "grocery hauler" is an abomination against the god I don't believe actually exists...but if I had to own an abomination, owning a Porsche abomination is the way to go imo.

Yeah, in another scenario.

But right now my car is full of emaciated cheerios, muddy bootprints, and fookin' toys.

*sigh*

Choices.

corksens
11-13-2012, 10:11 PM
right. only swinging single bachelors selling mortgages and moving money around like yourself deserve to drive nice cars.Haha. You are such a typical public servant loser.

I work for myself. No safety net. All risk. All reward. Companies pay me a fee for a service that I provide.

Unlike you, I actually walk the walk when it comes to being a conservative.

corksens
11-13-2012, 10:13 PM
A porcshe with 4 doors is an abomination against the god i don't believe actually exists. It's more offensive that KB and his drivel.

And yeah, 92k a year can afford a BMW. You can afford a pretty nice one if you got the CPO route. I'm thinking either a 335i (fully loaded) or a 328i (or 335i) cabriolet next summer. Granted I make more than 92, but you know what? KB can suck my life saving balls.DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA HOW DANGEROUS IT IS BEING A TEACHER!?

FVCK OFF!

corksens
11-13-2012, 10:14 PM
not a chance, I make twice of that I cant afford itYou make nearly 200k and think you can't afford a 3-series?

I second voyagers comment and ask how much you blow a week...(and by blow, I mean up your nose).

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 10:18 PM
Yeah, in another scenario.

But right now my car is full of emaciated cheerios, muddy bootprints, and fookin' toys.

*sigh*

Choices.


True...detailing would be an expensive necessity for upkeep. Probably just best off to put the wifey in a SUV and keep a personal toy/luxury rocket ship for myself.

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 10:33 PM
If I was to go 4 door Exotic Car... I'd go with one of these (little out of my price range):
http://www.configurator.maserati.com/gtcc/landing/images/foto_cc_QPGTS1.png

zeke
11-13-2012, 10:35 PM
yep

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 10:36 PM
Italians do 2 things right:

Food and Cars.

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 10:36 PM
Very nice.

Italians for style.
Germans for muscle.
Japanese to fetch groceries.

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 10:38 PM
Nah...I'd give the wife a Journey or something for the groceries. Why spend so much on a soccermomobile?

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 10:46 PM
If I was to go 4 door Exotic Car... I'd go with one of these (little out of my price range):
http://www.configurator.maserati.com/gtcc/landing/images/foto_cc_QPGTS1.png


Quattroporte's are damn nice...I'll be test driving a few used Maserati's in the spring, a new one is still out of my range for a few years.

johnunit
11-13-2012, 10:50 PM
quattroporte is my "if I had infinity money, what would be the car in my multi-acre garage I drove to work" car. Simply fantastic in all the ways I want a car to excel.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 10:53 PM
so you're saying habsy doesnt make his living off the sweat of our brows and the clicks of our mouse fingers??

What clicks? I ponied up the last four months. Having no hockey hurts. People are slackers.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 10:54 PM
If you paid attention you'd know Habsy runs this site at a loss.

Why start now?

Habsy
11-13-2012, 10:56 PM
I don't know much about electric cars, but I heard that the battery requires replacement after 7 or so years which costs a small fortune.... something you might want to consider researching before buying :)

Tesla's offers battery replacement for life in case of failure and I only keep my classics longer than 7 years.

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 10:57 PM
What clicks? I ponied up the last four months. Having no hockey hurts. People are slackers.


I'm sure this has been said before, but have you set up a paypal account for donations? I'll never remember to click the ads, but I love this site and would be happy to kick in a few bucks on a subscription basis even to a dirty Habs Fan :D

Habsy
11-13-2012, 10:58 PM
Alittle boxy for me.

If I went German it would be BMW or Audi.

Used to have a 330i that I loved. Trying to get something nice and still be relatively practical.

I love Audi's too but if you're leasing I'd go with the RDX. No sense in spending the extra $2400-$3600 depending on lease length.

zeke
11-13-2012, 10:58 PM
Italians do 2 things right:

Food and Cars.

and music.

and empires.

and fashion.

and movies.

and art.

and sports.

zeke
11-13-2012, 11:01 PM
and crime.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:02 PM
It's the only thing keeping me out of a C63 AMG really...I ****ing want one, but I'm terrified that it will be ridiculous to handle in the winter.

My buddy has a C63 AMG and an Audi R8 Spyder. He loves them both but lives in a tropical climate. If you aren't moving to Vegas as previously mentioned, get something AWD.

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 11:02 PM
and music.

and empires.

and fashion.

and movies.

and art.

and sports.

As a halfling Italian I do not share your Azzurri pride.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:02 PM
and crime.

And modesty.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:03 PM
I'm sure this has been said before, but have you set up a paypal account for donations? I'll never remember to click the ads, but I love this site and would be happy to kick in a few bucks on a subscription basis even to a dirty Habs Fan :D

Dirty Habs fan? You guys were with GLG and I'm way cooler than that dude.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:05 PM
Very nice.

Italians for style.
Germans for muscle.
Japanese to fetch groceries.


And this car makes toast out of them all...

http://images.dealerrevs.com/pictures/57197308.jpg

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 11:05 PM
Dirty Habs fan? You guys were with GLG and I'm way cooler than that dude.

GLG? And don't take offense to the "Dirty Habs fan" comment. It's not just you. They're all dirty.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 11:07 PM
My buddy has a C63 AMG and an Audi R8 Spyder. He loves them both but lives in a tropical climate. If you aren't moving to Vegas as previously mentioned, get something AWD.

Thus the S5

I'm looking at going on international contract in ~18 months, so Vegas (or other warm weather climates) would be back into the discussion.


http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6096/6366022823_275781c15c_z.jpg

Wouldn't be bad at all...

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:07 PM
Yeah, in another scenario.

But right now my car is full of emaciated cheerios, muddy bootprints, and fookin' toys.

*sigh*

Choices.

Dude I've been living that life for over two decades. Loved it so much got another one 5 years ago. A trade off I'll do any day. A car won't remember you when you're gone.

zeke
11-13-2012, 11:08 PM
And this car makes toast out of them all...

http://images.dealerrevs.com/pictures/57197308.jpg

http://www.mrappliance.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/lemon91.jpg

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:08 PM
GLG? And don't take offense to the "Dirty Habs fan" comment. It's not just you. They're all dirty.

The old timers here know who I am talking about.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:09 PM
Thus the S5

I'm looking at going on international contract in ~18 months, so Vegas (or other warm weather climates) would be back into the discussion.


http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6096/6366022823_275781c15c_z.jpg

Wouldn't be bad at all...

I've driven that bad boy, nice choice.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:10 PM
http://www.mrappliance.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/lemon91.jpg

Lemon my ass. The CTS-V sedan is the fastest production car in the world . Also topped handling.

That car will blow the doors off of vehicles three times it's price.

zeke
11-13-2012, 11:10 PM
well, at least when it's not in the shop.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:13 PM
A porcshe with 4 doors is an abomination against the god i don't believe actually exists. It's more offensive that KB and his drivel.


Disagree, the Panamera is a sweet car. My lawyer has one. ****er must be overcharging me.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:13 PM
well, at least when it's not in the shop.

You're thinking 10 years ago.

zeke
11-13-2012, 11:13 PM
could be.

voyager
11-13-2012, 11:15 PM
Dude I've been living that life for over two decades. Loved it so much got another one 5 years ago. A trade off I'll do any day. A car won't remember you when you're gone.

The memory seats will!

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:18 PM
Not if you aren't there to push the button.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 11:19 PM
I've driven that bad boy, nice choice.

Go for the stassis package and she's ~400 horse with the AWD system making it reasonable to handle in the winter. It's probably the way I'm going to go.

A buddy of mine runs an S4 and it's ****ing fantastic, I dig the coupe though.

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 11:19 PM
Dude I've been living that life for over two decades. Loved it so much got another one 5 years ago. A trade off I'll do any day. A car won't remember you when you're gone.

I know, I know.

This thread just made me a little nauseous for few seconds.

voyager
11-13-2012, 11:21 PM
Not if you aren't there to push the button.

But it's still stored in the memory. Just like when you've been dead several decades your kids will only think of you when prompted. Plus once they're dead your grand kids probably won't know you, but the memory stored in your car, if properly preserved will always remember just how you liked it.

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 11:22 PM
lol

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:24 PM
I know, I know.

This thread just made me a little nauseous for few seconds.

Believe me, your playtime will return in 15 years or so.

How many do you have? Ages?

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:24 PM
Go for the stassis package and she's ~400 horse with the AWD system making it reasonable to handle in the winter. It's probably the way I'm going to go.

A buddy of mine runs an S4 and it's ****ing fantastic, I dig the coupe though.

My brother in TX has an S4, loves it.

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 11:25 PM
You're thinking 10 years ago.


Agree with the CTS, but not the Porshe. It looks like a turd. If I'm going with Sport Sedans way out of my price-range:

Quadroporte
Aston Martin Rapide
Jaguar XJ

But..those are fantasy cars - for now.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:25 PM
But it's still stored in the memory. Just like when you've been dead several decades your kids will only think of you when prompted. Plus once they're dead your grand kids probably won't know you, but the memory stored in your car, if properly preserved will always remember just how you liked it.

My granddaughter knows me now and my kids actually love me. Who tainted you man?

:nono

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:25 PM
Agree with the CTS, but not the Porshe. It looks like a turd. If I'm going with Sport Sedans way out of my price-range:

Quadroporte
Aston Martin Rapide
Jaguar XJ

But..those are fantasy cars - for now.

I drive a Jaguar XF

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 11:26 PM
My brother in TX has an S4, loves it.


They're vicious over 1/8th of a mile...something bigger like a M5 or C63 will ruin it once it starts to hit higher gears, but with the launch control engaged, the S series audi's are filthy off the line, immediate traction.

voyager
11-13-2012, 11:27 PM
My granddaughter knows me now and my kids actually love me. Who tainted you man?

:nono

I'm just busting your balls. Of course kids are worth it, but living the child free life is pretty awesome!

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 11:28 PM
I drive a Jaguar XF

Mmmm..I looooooooooooove Jags. British styling is just...ahhhhhhhhhhh

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 11:28 PM
Agree with the CTS, but not the Porshe. It looks like a turd. If I'm going with Sport Sedans way out of my price-range:

Quadroporte
Aston Martin Rapide
Jaguar XJ

But..those are fantasy cars - for now.

I turn 34 in the spring...my goal is an Aston Martin before I'm 40.

Habsy
11-13-2012, 11:28 PM
Yeah I did that too.

I still play around enough.

Deckie007
11-13-2012, 11:31 PM
I turn 34 in the spring...my goal is an Aston Martin before I'm 40.

I turn 30 in 3 days...getting a little anxious for some reason. Last few days in my 20s.

lecoqsportif
11-13-2012, 11:31 PM
Believe me, your playtime will return in 15 years or so.

How many do you have? Ages?

Two. Very young. I'm screwed.

(Joking.)

As far as cars are concerned, I dearly love them. But I have so many competing interests (including leisure, such as it is) that I doubt I'd ever pull the trigger on something truly cool.

This a great thread though, love that Maserati.

MindzEye
11-13-2012, 11:34 PM
I turn 30 in 3 days...getting a little anxious for some reason. Last few days in my 20s.

20's are over rated bro. Seriously...I'm loving the shit out of my 30's. Wish I could go back and change a few things from my 20's, but as long as you've kept reasonably good care of yourself, have no crippling dependencies and have put some work into a career, your 30's should be stellar.

Deckie007
11-14-2012, 12:05 AM
20's are over rated bro. Seriously...I'm loving the shit out of my 30's. Wish I could go back and change a few things from my 20's, but as long as you've kept reasonably good care of yourself, have no crippling dependencies and have put some work into a career, your 30's should be stellar.

Thanks dude. I check 2 out of 3 boxes, but could probably use a career change. My 20's weren't that great, so not sure why I'm anxious about them being over. I'll take your word on the 30's being great.

MindzEye
11-14-2012, 12:07 AM
Thanks dude. I check 2 out of 3 boxes, but could probably use a career change. My 20's weren't that great, so not sure why I'm anxious about them being over. I'll take your word on the 30's being great.

I'm enjoying myself thoroughly.

30's >>>> 20's

zeke
11-14-2012, 12:20 AM
yep

Aberdeen
11-14-2012, 12:24 AM
30's are great

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/15807166/images/1312408325909.jpg

corksens
11-14-2012, 12:44 AM
I love Audi's too but if you're leasing I'd go with the RDX. No sense in spending the extra $2400-$3600 depending on lease length.I tend to agree. Though I do love the no charge anything with BMW and Audi's.

If I am paying $700 a month to lease your car you should pay to change the oil.

Acuras nickle and dime like that.

theREALkoreaboy
11-14-2012, 06:59 AM
and music.

and empires.

and fashion.

and movies.

and art.

and sports.

and surrendering

and overdramatic hand movements

and growing moustaches

and living too long with momma

Deckie007
11-14-2012, 08:39 AM
And being a plumber
And eating magic mushrooms

CRL
11-14-2012, 11:28 AM
Jaguar XJ - FTW

corksens
11-14-2012, 11:33 AM
Jaguar XJ - FTWSpeaking of having cars in the shop!

zeke
11-14-2012, 11:36 AM
and surrendering

and overdramatic hand movements

and growing moustaches

and living too long with momma

and having huge penii

johnunit
11-14-2012, 11:48 AM
the new Jags aren't so bad. Still not at par with the japs and germans for reliability, but not brutal like 10-15 years ago. Same goes for the Caddies. the CTS series is reliable, especially the CTS-V since it's overbuilt and has an LS series engine.



It's funny, I can't warm to the styling of the XJ. I think I might have the XF instead, in spite of my luxobarge tastes. I'd go S65 before E63, 760 before 545, S8 before S6, but the XJ is just too frumpy looking. The grille is too tall, and the back looks halfway towards a hatchback. Not in a fastback way either.

mtl79
11-14-2012, 11:51 AM
and having huge penii

LOL are you of Italian background dude?

Habsy
11-14-2012, 03:26 PM
Speaking of having cars in the shop!

Never had an issue with mine.

Deckie007
11-14-2012, 07:27 PM
LOL are you of Italian background dude?

Nope, he's just a fan. :pepper

Habsy
11-14-2012, 07:58 PM
I saw a Fisker in the parking lot today. Nose if very Vyper. Walked around it, seems like a nice car but I like the Tesla better as it is 100% electric.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-15-2012, 02:08 PM
We need trucks in the car thread...


http://www.motorward.com/wp-content/images/2012/09/Range-Rover-2013.jpg

http://www.fjcruiserforums.com/forums/attachments/introductions-new-arrivals/40759d1298439537-picked-up-my-08-fj-trails-edition-tonight-2102-toyota-fj-cruiser-trail-teams-price.jpg

http://jeep-parts.uneedapart.com/images/jeep-wrangler-unlimited-parts.jpg

corksens
11-15-2012, 02:23 PM
Unless you live in Venice Beach California, don't drive a Jeep.

voyager
11-15-2012, 02:47 PM
http://www.bmw.com/_common/shared/newvehicles/mseries/x6m/2012/showroom/_img/background.jpg

The SUV I want one day - definitely has to be the M. 550 hp, and looks beautiful.

corksens
11-15-2012, 02:58 PM
Just make sure you are okay driving with a back window that is the size of a skateboard.

I love the X6 but man it's hard to drive.

zeke
11-15-2012, 03:07 PM
man they all look the same now, eh? they still look good, though.


that Range Rover is so classic though. I'd probably spring for that if I had anywhere near the cash.

CRL
11-15-2012, 04:14 PM
Range Rover is most beautiful SUV ever only MB G550 can get to it close

voyager
11-15-2012, 04:19 PM
Just make sure you are okay driving with a back window that is the size of a skateboard.

I love the X6 but man it's hard to drive.

Remember I'm a paramedic, can't see shit behind us when driving the ambulances and PRUs so i'm used to it. Though it does scare me when i see some people behind the wheel of X6s and other vehicles with poor rear visibility.

voyager
11-15-2012, 04:20 PM
Range Rover is most beautiful SUV ever only MB G550 can get to it close

Range Rovers are beautiful as well.

MindzEye
11-15-2012, 07:36 PM
Yeah, the Rover is the only SUV I'd even consider. When I get past this whole luxury sports coupe phaze of mine and move on to being a bit more practical, that's what I'll likely end up in.

domi4president
11-15-2012, 08:41 PM
I like my Fiat.

Deckie007
11-15-2012, 08:42 PM
Fix
It
Again
Tony

johnunit
11-16-2012, 12:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3AJCdmW33fM

Deckie007
11-16-2012, 11:13 PM
As much as I dream about having an exotic car, I'm driving one of these right now. Really nice economy car, with surprising decent performance and handling. Interior is sweet and the tech works very well.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/TE9k9t1SzbI/AAAAAAADIHQ/bpc8JIOK1mc/s800/2011-Hyundai-Elantra-011.jpg

Habspatrol
11-16-2012, 11:45 PM
Like a month ago I was delivering gravel to a guy and he had a huge shop full of cars including a 57 Chevy and a bunch of other cool cars. But by a mile the coolest car he had was a 1965 Ford GT40. It was awesome.

http://files.conceptcarz.com/img/Ford/ford_GT40_num54_DV_05_BR_02.jpg

CRL
11-17-2012, 09:19 AM
that cost a fortune

TimHorton
11-17-2012, 10:01 AM
That car is actual sex.

Habspatrol
11-17-2012, 10:06 AM
Yeah I'm not even a big car guy and I got a little hard when I saw it. I asked the guy about it and in a he sort of smugly said "it's a 1965 Ford GT40, look it up." When I looked it up I found that it's extremely rare and can sell for anywhere from $200K to a million.

MindzEye
11-17-2012, 10:20 AM
Yeah, I was immediately at half mast when I saw that picture...jesus.

corksens
11-17-2012, 10:56 AM
All this over a hyundai. What's wrong with you guys?

Habspatrol
11-17-2012, 10:59 AM
:lol I assume you're joking, but in case you aren't... it was the post after the Hyundai.

theREALkoreaboy
11-17-2012, 11:54 AM
i had one of those battery powered racecar tracks when i was a kid, and that car was my favourite one. seeing that brought back memories.

Deckie007
11-17-2012, 12:24 PM
All this over a hyundai. What's wrong with you guys?

:lol Nice.

johnunit
11-18-2012, 07:10 PM
I wonder if it's real? There's a ton of kitcars of those and they're pretty convincing.

Habspatrol
11-18-2012, 10:32 PM
The GT40? I'm pretty sure it was real. This guy was loaded and had a bunch of awesome cars.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-19-2012, 03:00 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RqRylHE2inY/TUVCTmB0EVI/AAAAAAAAAFU/f_9TbDvgyM8/s1600/00007939__Nissan_350Z.jpg

corksens
11-21-2012, 12:41 AM
I'm swaying back to a sedan and have looked at some 2012 Infiniti G37x today.

They have two that are silver with black leather. 0% financing, little money down ($1500) and a lease payment under $600.

Not bad for a car with AWD, size, decent fuel economy, and a 330hp V6.

What do you guys think?

http://cdn1.automobilesreview.com/2012/04/2012-Infiniti-G37x-S-MEDIUM.jpg

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e9/0e/e90eb7f8e1f727429270c1b65a34f73b.jpg

http://carbuzzard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/CB-Infiniti_G37xS-Coupe_2012-int-dr.jpg

Habsy
11-21-2012, 12:42 AM
My brother has the coupe and absolutely loves it cork.

corksens
11-21-2012, 12:49 AM
Value for $$$ just can't seem to be beat.

I'm going to price it out with a competing dealership tomorrow.

Good to hear, Habsy.

MindzEye
11-21-2012, 02:55 AM
Seriously...as someone who owns an Infiniti sedan...get the coupe. Worry about a family car when you have a family to worry about.


Buy the Coupe.

SundinsTooth
11-21-2012, 07:31 AM
Hey cork, why lease? Business? I've never understood that...with finance terms so hot right now why wouldn't you buy?

Habspatrol
11-21-2012, 07:37 AM
I'm swaying back to a sedan and have looked at some 2012 Infiniti G37x today.

They have two that are silver with black leather. 0% financing, little money down ($1500) and a lease payment under $600.

Not bad for a car with AWD, size, decent fuel economy, and a 330hp V6.

What do you guys think?

http://cdn1.automobilesreview.com/2012/04/2012-Infiniti-G37x-S-MEDIUM.jpg

http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/e9/0e/e90eb7f8e1f727429270c1b65a34f73b.jpg

http://carbuzzard.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/CB-Infiniti_G37xS-Coupe_2012-int-dr.jpg

Very nice.

corksens
11-21-2012, 09:08 AM
Hey cork, why lease? Business? I've never understood that...with finance terms so hot right now why wouldn't you buy?I can afford it. I get a new car every 3-4 years. No worries about maintenance ect.

There are some advantages when writing off costs for business purposes too.

CRL
11-21-2012, 10:04 AM
personally I found seating position in Infinity uncomfortable.

Artnes
11-21-2012, 10:14 AM
The wife found the Maxima more comfortable when she took both out for a run.

corksens
11-21-2012, 10:24 AM
Gonna take it for another zip today. See how it feels. Taking something out at night is not adequate.

theREALkoreaboy
11-21-2012, 10:52 AM
I can afford it. I get a new car every 3-4 years. No worries about maintenance ect.

There are some advantages when writing off costs for business purposes too.

heh.

hypocrite.

Artnes
11-21-2012, 10:58 AM
I dont see an issue with writing off a portion of his lease for the vehicle he uses on company time.

theREALkoreaboy
11-21-2012, 11:01 AM
he's not buying that car solely for "company time". i assume it will also be his personal vehicle. he will be able to reduce a portion of the costs of that vehicle through the tax code. i'm not taking issue with that, i'm just pointing out that as a teacher i NEVER get to do that. ever. and i could sit here and list a dozen ways i use my vehicle to drive around to do school or professional-related stuff.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-21-2012, 11:16 AM
You can't do that, because you already have a gold plated pension paid for by Corks and others taxpayers. If we allowed you to take advantage of everything free enterprise has to offer as well, we'd bankrupt the province.

corksens
11-21-2012, 11:55 AM
heh.

hypocrite.Hypocrite?

I need a car to travel for work.

By working I generate an income. The government taxes that income. People benefit.

We can't all be noncontributing nothings.

corksens
11-21-2012, 11:57 AM
he's not buying that car solely for "company time". i assume it will also be his personal vehicle. he will be able to reduce a portion of the costs of that vehicle through the tax code. i'm not taking issue with that, i'm just pointing out that as a teacher i NEVER get to do that. ever. and i could sit here and list a dozen ways i use my vehicle to drive around to do school or professional-related stuff.You're a real dummy.

If I goto Staples on the weekend to buy printer paper I don't consider that business purposes. If I goto a clients home to sign paperwork that is a cost directly attributed to generating business and is therefore counted towards business use of a vehicle.

CRL
11-21-2012, 12:16 PM
Lease is good if you cant afford financing (payments are to high) for expensive car and lease rate is low and thinking of keeping it later which makes it long term financing. 1 more good reason to lease when car is not what you really can sell for reasonable price after 2-4 years of ownership.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 12:48 PM
Sometimes, rarely, a Lease offer is lower than the depreciation value of the car. That is when it truly pays to lease. That tends to happen when sales have been soft in a model year and they blow them out at the end of the year though.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 12:50 PM
he's not buying that car solely for "company time". i assume it will also be his personal vehicle. he will be able to reduce a portion of the costs of that vehicle through the tax code. i'm not taking issue with that, i'm just pointing out that as a teacher i NEVER get to do that. ever. and i could sit here and list a dozen ways i use my vehicle to drive around to do school or professional-related stuff.

I doubt he gets two months off.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 12:56 PM
Can we keep at least this thread free of KB's....umm... kb'ing?

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-21-2012, 12:57 PM
Lease is also good if you run up a lot of KM's. If you buy, you gotta put a lot of money into the car for maintenance after a short period of time, and it's not worth it with the way cars depreciate so quickly.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 12:57 PM
Oh and while I get Cork's attraction to the G sedan, I'd definitely try the Maxima and G coupe on for size. Maybe even a 370Z with all the fixins'.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 01:00 PM
Lease is also good if you run up a lot of KM's. If you buy, you gotta put a lot of money into the car for maintenance after a short period of time, and it's not worth it with the way cars depreciate so quickly.

Usually the dealer more than compensates for that with their charges for high-mileage leases. And then they start dinging you for every ding, scuff, and rub when you hand it back... But as Habsy said, if the car is a bargain anyway it can work.

IMO though, it's almost always better to get as close to buying the car as possible. I sort of think of leasing vs. financing as renting a place vs. a mortgage.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:00 PM
G Coupe > 370Z for comfort. Performance the same.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:01 PM
Lease is also good if you run up a lot of KM's. If you buy, you gotta put a lot of money into the car for maintenance after a short period of time, and it's not worth it with the way cars depreciate so quickly.

Not necessarily, most leases have mileage limits and to get a high mileage lease costs more.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:02 PM
Truthfully, with interests rates as low as they are for used, you're better off buying a two year old car with low mileage. Someone else paid for the depreciation. Extended warranties are cheap enough now too if that is your concern.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-21-2012, 01:03 PM
Usually the dealer more than compensates for that with their charges for high-mileage leases. And then they start dinging you for every ding, scuff, and rub when you hand it back... But as Habsy said, if the car is a bargain anyway it can work.

IMO though, it's almost always better to get as close to buying the car as possible. I sort of think of leasing vs. financing as renting a place vs. a mortgage.

The thing is, the housing market tends to increase at least at the rate of inflation, where as your car nose dives in value.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-21-2012, 01:05 PM
Not necessarily, most leases have mileage limits and to get a high mileage lease costs more.

For sure, more km's = more bucks on your lease.

But it you work within the limits of your deal, having a new car every 4 or so years with a guarantee of no maintenance costs, has it's value.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 01:07 PM
The thing is, the housing market tends to increase at least at the rate of inflation, where as your car nose dives in value.

True, but like a rental, the owner is only leasing because they're gonna make more money than selling. If you were coming out ahead by leasing they would generally just say "sale only". Instead they structure leases from the bottom up to have you paying more money than the difference between what the car is worth new and what it's worth at the lease end. And it has to be enough more to make up for all the paperwork at lease end/resale.

corksens
11-21-2012, 01:10 PM
Usually the dealer more than compensates for that with their charges for high-mileage leases. And then they start dinging you for every ding, scuff, and rub when you hand it back... But as Habsy said, if the car is a bargain anyway it can work.

IMO though, it's almost always better to get as close to buying the car as possible. I sort of think of leasing vs. financing as renting a place vs. a mortgage.Buy an appreciating asset, lease a depreciating one.

I've long held that belief. I've also never had a family member have problems when returning a lease. Little dings and scratches can always be removed independently by one of those traveling dent repair guys...hell, I'd do that if I owned the car too (no one likes driving a beaten up car).

worm
11-21-2012, 01:15 PM
Usually the dealer more than compensates for that with their charges for high-mileage leases. And then they start dinging you for every ding, scuff, and rub when you hand it back... But as Habsy said, if the car is a bargain anyway it can work.

IMO though, it's almost always better to get as close to buying the car as possible. I sort of think of leasing vs. financing as renting a place vs. a mortgage.

I disagree.

A car's value basically goes to zero - but a house can keep its value much higher/longer.


In all of renting/leasing/financing it is all throwing money away....with a house you can break even quite easily.

That said....you are correct...most leases have a per km over the 22k a year charge.

We have two cars - one is leased, one is financed....the leased car is due in March but I will buy it out. I did the math at time of purschase and it only cost about 1g more to do it lease/buyout than to finance.

worm
11-21-2012, 01:16 PM
Buy an appreciating asset, lease a depreciating one.

I've long held that belief. I've also never had a family member have problems when returning a lease. Little dings and scratches can always be removed independently by one of those traveling dent repair guys...hell, I'd do that if I owned the car too (no one likes driving a beaten up car).

and if you are re-leasing they will not care much

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:17 PM
For sure, more km's = more bucks on your lease.

But it you work within the limits of your deal, having a new car every 4 or so years with a guarantee of no maintenance costs, has it's value.

While I Lease a car through my business because I like shiny new ones, My other cars are all paid off because they are utilitarian. I bought an SUV for grunt work and paid cash. Wife's car paid off, kid's cars paid off. You end up saving a lot of money. Of course my wife is different than I am. She tends to keep her cars 10-12 years and you have to pry the steering wheel from her white-knuckled to get her in a new one. She gets attached to things. Heck she hasn't traded me in yet.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 01:18 PM
Buy an appreciating asset, lease a depreciating one.

I've long held that belief. I've also never had a family member have problems when returning a lease. Little dings and scratches can always be removed independently by one of those traveling dent repair guys...hell, I'd do that if I owned the car too (no one likes driving a beaten up car).

you've still had to have that stuff repaired at a cost, whereas if you were selling the car you'd usually be able to just sell it with no further investment.

The "if they could make more money selling it, they would" was something I had drilled into me working at a dealership. Why go to all the trouble of getting the car back in a few years, having to catalogue it, refurbish it, recertify it, etc,? Because they virtually always make more money that way. If not having to keep the car for more than 3-4 years is that important to you, the financial downside could be worth it to you I guess, but I don't see it being the cheaper option over the entire ownership of the car.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:20 PM
I've never had an issue returning a lease. Ever. In fact the cars I lease the dealership comes out to me and picks them up. My last car was even delivered to my door and papers signed in my house.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:21 PM
Hey Cork, do they do weekend test drives up there? Ask about it since you are looking in the mid-upper level. My last two cars I had a weekend test-drive and ended up signing Monday. Best way to find out if you will love the car or not.

corksens
11-21-2012, 01:22 PM
you've still had to have that stuff repaired at a cost, whereas if you were selling the car you'd usually be able to just sell it with no further investment.

The "if they could make more money selling it, they would" was something I had drilled into me working at a dealership. Why go to all the trouble of getting the car back in a few years, having to catalogue it, refurbish it, recertify it, etc,? Because they virtually always make more money that way. If not having to keep the car for more than 3-4 years is that important to you, the financial downside could be worth it to you I guess, but I don't see it being the cheaper option over the entire ownership of the car.Not at all. If I was selling a car I'd call a guy in, pay him $150 bucks and get him to take out all the little dings and dents. It doesn't matter if I lease or own, I don't want to drive a sloppy looking car.

And I don't care if they make alittle more money from it. Owning a car for years is a hassle. I've had 4 cars already and never kept any of them for more than 3.5 years. I'm perpetually making payments and perpetually going through the buy/sell process. I hate it. I'd rather pick out a car, drive it for 3-4 years without any worries and then wait for them to call me and get me into another new car.

It's not cheaper. It's slightly more expensive...but that premium is what you pay for simplicity and predictability.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 01:22 PM
I disagree.

A car's value basically goes to zero - but a house can keep its value much higher/longer.


In all of renting/leasing/financing it is all throwing money away....with a house you can break even quite easily.

That said....you are correct...most leases have a per km over the 22k a year charge.

We have two cars - one is leased, one is financed....the leased car is due in March but I will buy it out. I did the math at time of purschase and it only cost about 1g more to do it lease/buyout than to finance.

I know deppreciation is huge, but it's a long way from zero. If you lease a 40,000 dollar car for 4 years, you're still handing back a 15,000+ dollar car unless your hobbies were gypsy taxi-ing and competitive chainsmoking. it takes a loooot of savings per-month to equal 15 grand in 4 years.

But then, I can't ever see myself leasing because I'd never leave a car stock if I could afford to change it.

corksens
11-21-2012, 01:22 PM
Hey Cork, do they do weekend test drives up there? Ask about it since you are looking in the mid-upper level. My last two cars I had a weekend test-drive and ended up signing Monday. Best way to find out if you will love the car or not.I called earlier today and they said I could keep it for the night. I think that's about as good as it gets.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:23 PM
I used to modify my cars when I was younger. Now I expect that expensive ****er to blow me on the way to work... stock.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:23 PM
I called earlier today and they said I could keep it for the night. I think that's about as good as it gets.

Better than nothing. Take it out on a Saturday though, when you have time to tool around.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 01:23 PM
Not at all. If I was selling a car I'd call a guy in, pay him $150 bucks and get him to take out all the little dings and dents. It doesn't matter if I lease or own, I don't want to drive a sloppy looking car.

And I don't care if they make alittle more money from it. Owning a car for years is a hassle. I've had 4 cars already and never kept any of them for more than 3.5 years. I'm perpetually making payments and perpetually going through the buy/sell process. I hate it. I'd rather pick out a car, drive it for 3-4 years without any worries and then wait for them to call me and get me into another new car.

It's not cheaper. It's slightly more expensive...but that premium is what you pay for simplicity and predictability.

That's all I'm saying. Some people talk like it's a cheaper way to go, and it isn't. Potentially more convenient, but that comes down to how much money a couple days of hassle every 4 years is worth to you.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:24 PM
Lease prices are nuts up there. You can get an Infiniti G37 sedan with AWD for $450/month here. Just looked it up.

corksens
11-21-2012, 01:25 PM
Of course it's alittle more expensive. I don't think many are trying to argue that leasing is always cheaper than ownership...just that it can be.

But even then you are under-exaggerating the hassle of car ownership/sales - and not to sound rude, but 20-30 bucks a month difference don't really matter when we're talking about 50k cars.

corksens
11-21-2012, 01:26 PM
Lease prices are nuts up there. You can get an Infiniti G37 sedan with AWD for $450/month here. Just looked it up.Don't remind me.

We get jobbed on just about everything. And even then, unless a car is made in North America, it's virtually pointless to try and buy it in the states and bring it back to Canada.

worm
11-21-2012, 01:29 PM
I know deppreciation is huge, but it's a long way from zero. If you lease a 40,000 dollar car for 4 years, you're still handing back a 15,000+ dollar car unless your hobbies were gypsy taxi-ing and competitive chainsmoking. it takes a loooot of savings per-month to equal 15 grand in 4 years.

But then, I can't ever see myself leasing because I'd never leave a car stock if I could afford to change it.

That was compared to a house.

I agree with you on the finance vs lease thing. That is why I insisted if we get a new vehicle it is finance and will last at least 10 years.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:32 PM
Really nice Jags, BMWs and Mercedes are in the $600 range here.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 01:32 PM
Range Rover $700

CRL
11-21-2012, 01:45 PM
Really nice Jags, BMWs and Mercedes are in the $600 range here.

good reason to hate you guys :)

worm
11-21-2012, 01:58 PM
Lease prices are nuts up there. You can get an Infiniti G37 sedan with AWD for $450/month here. Just looked it up.

did you add tax and shipping?
most sites dont unless you click a button...so it could be even higher than you think

theREALkoreaboy
11-21-2012, 03:34 PM
Hypocrite?

I need a car to travel for work. so do i
By working I generate an income. so do i. The government taxes that income. as they do to mine. People benefit. so they do from mine
We can't all be noncontributing nothings. i submit again that educating a generation of children is vastly more of a contribution than pushing mortgages.

and the key difference is that YOU get to write off your vehicle, i don't. but i won't b!tch, because its all part of the compensation package for your job. but when you get that and come after me, i tell you to f*ck off.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-21-2012, 03:37 PM
Union man, living off the taxpayers tit, take this argument to the other thread.

We're trying to discuss cars here.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 03:46 PM
Hey, KB likes cars too.

http://gomotors.net/pics/Lada/lada-niva-17-4x4-03.jpg

johnunit
11-21-2012, 03:50 PM
It's ridiculous that even though many cars are MADE in Canada, we're still being charged significantly more than the US, with our dollar having been on par for years now.

$26,950.00 Camry SE (tax and freight not included) in Canada is $23,220 in the US. Explain that bullshit.

worm
11-21-2012, 03:56 PM
It's ridiculous that even though many cars are MADE in Canada, we're still being charged significantly more than the US, with our dollar having been on par for years now.

$26,950.00 Camry SE (tax and freight not included) in Canada is $23,220 in the US. Explain that bullshit.

You are the car guy....you explain it.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-21-2012, 04:03 PM
My guess is KB drives this:



http://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/picture/Firuze/pope.jpg

johnunit
11-21-2012, 04:04 PM
You are the car guy....you explain it.

I'm not aware of any extra cost, market force, regulation, etc. that would justify the extra cost. As far as I can tell, they're just gouging because Canadians are used to the prices paid when the dollar was worth 65% of what it is now. My best guess would be that they've been keeping prices more or less stable (and yes, occasionally lowering them year-to-year) in Canada so they can advertise "added X, Y, and Z AND got 500 bucks cheaper" and will continue to do so until US market prices rise to match Canadian prices. At this rate, that'll be another 4-5 years. I haven't done much looking into it though, there may be more to it.


Doing a little more digging, some companies are gouging more than others. BMW charges 93 grand in the US for a 750XLI that's 120 grand here.

worm
11-21-2012, 04:11 PM
So more markup in the states?
Higher demand in the states?

MindzEye
11-21-2012, 04:58 PM
Range Rover $700

I'll take 2 please.

worm
11-21-2012, 05:57 PM
I do not understand the range rover love....they look ugly


what is the appeal?

corksens
11-21-2012, 06:08 PM
and the key difference is that YOU get to write off your vehicle, i don't. but i won't b!tch, because its all part of the compensation package for your job. but when you get that and come after me, i tell you to f*ck off.You make an income that gets taxes...

But of course your income comes from taxpayers in the first place.

You really don't get this "self-employed" thing. Do you?

CRL
11-21-2012, 06:10 PM
I do not understand the range rover love....they look ugly


what is the appeal?

are you serious?
it just perfect in any angle

worm
11-21-2012, 06:23 PM
are you serious?
it just perfect in any angle

I am serious...only thing uglier is a hummer or that thing from Honda...Element I think

MindzEye
11-21-2012, 06:28 PM
I do not understand the range rover love....they look ugly


what is the appeal?

Sure you're not thinking of it's cousin the LR4?

http://images.thecarconnection.com/sml/2011-land-rover-lr4-4wd-4-door-v8-angular-front-exterior-view_100328387_s.jpg


The Range Rover is a sexy, sexy machine

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Range-Rover/2013-Range-Rover-19.jpg

corksens
11-21-2012, 07:08 PM
and the key difference is that YOU get to write off your vehicle, i don't. but i won't b!tch, because its all part of the compensation package for your job. but when you get that and come after me, i tell you to f*ck off.I can't believe KB is managing to poison another thread with his nonsense.

But truly...we are listening to an apparently "staunch" conservative, attack the "compensation package" (ie, small taxable benefits of being self-employed) while collecting a fat paycheck and pension from the government.

I mean, are we really witnessing the full meltdown of KB's rational thought?

MindzEye
11-21-2012, 07:16 PM
I mean, are we really witnessing the full meltdown of KB's rational thought?


Found the problem with your post brah. You're working under the assumption that he's ever been rational. Let me save you the time...he hasn't been, ever. Every time you've agreed with him, you've been wrong.

theREALkoreaboy
11-21-2012, 08:17 PM
I can't believe KB is managing to poison another thread with his nonsense.

But truly...we are listening to an apparently "staunch" conservative, attack the "compensation package" (ie, small taxable benefits of being self-employed) while collecting a fat paycheck and pension from the government.

I mean, are we really witnessing the full meltdown of KB's rational thought?

no, i am not "attacking your compensation package". i have said clearly and emphatically now, on several occasions, that i have NO PROBLEM with self-employed people writing off business expenses. but when those self-employed people start whining and caterwauling about MY compensation, i have a big, big problem with that. you are getting preferential tax treatment that we can never get for expenses that WE incur to do our jobs, and that we can never pass on to our "clients". i guess thats the trade off for a nice pension and more holidays, and i'm fine with that trade off. but anyone who gripes and moans about what i get while benefiting from what i can never get can f*ck off. you make lots more money than i make and get all kinds of preferential tax treatment that i will never get. good for you. keep every penny. but don't you dare try to suggest that you pushing mortgages is more of a contribution than what i do, and that i am overpaid.

SundinsTooth
11-21-2012, 08:23 PM
Jesus you can ruin any thread with your narcissism. Shut up already you needy bish.




So what's the verdict on this puppy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6kkdeZMhkE/UAW1vm2n6yI/AAAAAAAAHkI/rXBJLoEmLZo/s1600/2012+Range+Rover+-+Simply+Samad.jpg

corksens
11-21-2012, 08:26 PM
no, i am not "attacking your compensation package". i have said clearly and emphatically now, on several occasions, that i have NO PROBLEM with self-employed people writing off business expenses. but when those self-employed people start whining and caterwauling about MY compensation, i have a big, big problem with that. you are getting preferential tax treatment that we can never get for expenses that WE incur to do our jobs, and that we can never pass on to our "clients". i guess thats the trade off for a nice pension and more holidays, and i'm fine with that trade off. but anyone who gripes and moans about what i get while benefiting from what i can never get can f*ck off. you make lots more money than i make and get all kinds of preferential tax treatment that i will never get. good for you. keep every penny. but don't you dare try to suggest that you pushing mortgages is more of a contribution than what i do, and that i am overpaid.I HAVE A BUSINESS.

YOU ARE AN EMPLOYEE.

Are you braindead?

johnunit
11-21-2012, 08:27 PM
IMO, it's not fun enough to drive to make up for it's poor economy/practicality tradeoff and price. Pretty but would be a lot more worthwhile if it were 5 inches lower and had an extra 50hp. Or was more of a rugged, brawny looking thing like the Toyota FJ or something. It's just a bunch of bizarre compromises.

They do seem to sell well, but so did the Hummer H2...

theREALkoreaboy
11-21-2012, 08:27 PM
so what? because you have a business you are more valuable and deserving of more money and better tax treatment than i am? f*ck off.

corksens
11-21-2012, 08:28 PM
Jesus you can ruin any thread with your narcissism. Shut up already you needy bish.




So what's the verdict on this puppy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6kkdeZMhkE/UAW1vm2n6yI/AAAAAAAAHkI/rXBJLoEmLZo/s1600/2012+Range+Rover+-+Simply+Samad.jpgCoupe SUV, bad sight lines, underpowered. Alot of people will buy it for the RR name. But that's all it holds.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 08:34 PM
I do not understand the range rover love....they look ugly


what is the appeal?


Naw, if I was to drive an SUV full time it'd probably be the RR. They're sweet inside and out.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 08:36 PM
Cork, don't feed the troll.

KB, STFU in this thread already. It's about cars, not tax write-offs.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 08:37 PM
Coupe SUV, bad sight lines, underpowered. Alot of people will buy it for the RR name. But that's all it holds.

I read the same. Very underpowered with poor sight lines. You're better off with the FX.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 08:49 PM
I agree, FX series did the same concept right. If you're going to give up that much off roading, utility, and toughness you better make it a rocketshop with go-kart blood. See also Cayenne, Porsche.

Habsy
11-21-2012, 08:52 PM
Cayenne's are underpowered too unless you go Turbo.

johnunit
11-21-2012, 09:07 PM
The V8 non-turbos have enough power to at least be fun. The V6's are dogs though, yeah.

worm
11-21-2012, 09:35 PM
Sure you're not thinking of it's cousin the LR4?

http://images.thecarconnection.com/sml/2011-land-rover-lr4-4wd-4-door-v8-angular-front-exterior-view_100328387_s.jpg


The Range Rover is a sexy, sexy machine

http://www.zercustoms.com/news/images/Range-Rover/2013-Range-Rover-19.jpg

dunno....whatever i see around town

that pic looks decent though

ill take that if the price was right :p

worm
11-21-2012, 09:36 PM
Jesus you can ruin any thread with your narcissism. Shut up already you needy bish.




So what's the verdict on this puppy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6kkdeZMhkE/UAW1vm2n6yI/AAAAAAAAHkI/rXBJLoEmLZo/s1600/2012+Range+Rover+-+Simply+Samad.jpg

but this is extremely ugly to me

Leafyblue
11-21-2012, 09:54 PM
Personally, I like the Defender in Skyfall


https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-h1R6-scU7-w/UHZMVvN0XFI/AAAAAAAAryQ/oKmA1aqr3cE/Land-Rover-Skyfall-680x525.jpg

corksens
11-21-2012, 11:02 PM
so what? because you have a business you are more valuable and deserving of more money and better tax treatment than i am? f*ck off.What a pitiful non-contributor you are. A true non-conservative to boot.

Little public servant. All angry when someone challenges his entitlements.

CRL
11-22-2012, 08:27 AM
Jesus you can ruin any thread with your narcissism. Shut up already you needy bish.




So what's the verdict on this puppy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6kkdeZMhkE/UAW1vm2n6yI/AAAAAAAAHkI/rXBJLoEmLZo/s1600/2012+Range+Rover+-+Simply+Samad.jpg

get it, that thing moves!

corksens
11-22-2012, 04:12 PM
So thinking I might pull the trigger on that 2012 G37x today.

It's the last one they have and I'm pretty sure I've squeezed them for everything I can get. I even did some comparison shopping with another dealer and they weren't even close with the payments.

Sedan, silver colour, black leather, AWD, kick ass sound, 330hp. 3-year lease payments of $600.00.

I don't think it can get much better than that for the value.

CRL
11-22-2012, 09:46 PM
only problem with it - it is datsun

johnunit
11-22-2012, 10:03 PM
only problem with it - it is datsun

In the same sort of way that a Bugatti is a VW I guess.

CRL
11-23-2012, 09:15 AM
forgot to add - watch out for the rust :)

Artnes
11-23-2012, 09:39 AM
Consider he is leasing I dont think he is too concerned about rust.

domi4president
11-23-2012, 10:58 AM
Jesus you can ruin any thread with your narcissism. Shut up already you needy bish.




So what's the verdict on this puppy?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-k6kkdeZMhkE/UAW1vm2n6yI/AAAAAAAAHkI/rXBJLoEmLZo/s1600/2012+Range+Rover+-+Simply+Samad.jpg

You could be as glamorous as Victoria Beckham...

SundinsTooth
11-23-2012, 09:44 PM
Really? As glamourous?

http://www.autodrome-cannes.com/zonda_roadster_f_cockpit.jpg

domi4president
11-23-2012, 10:24 PM
Pure sex, I'd kill to tour the AMG skunkworks.

The comment I made was referring to:
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/range-rover-evoque-victoria-beckham-special-edition-2012-04-23

MindzEye
11-23-2012, 11:07 PM
Pure sex, I'd kill to tour the AMG skunkworks.

The comment I made was referring to:
http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/range-rover-evoque-victoria-beckham-special-edition-2012-04-23

So much this...I want a C63 AMG bad. They just seem like they would be such a wretched **** in the snow, and I don't have the type of coin to buy something like that and park it 5 months a year.

domi4president
11-23-2012, 11:34 PM
Cars that want to kill you > cars that want to protect you

MindzEye
11-23-2012, 11:51 PM
Cars that want to kill you > cars that want to protect you

Agreed entirely...but I'm looking to find a happy medium with an AWD euro rocket.

Habsy
11-23-2012, 11:53 PM
You need to get out of the cold so you can enjoy things year round...

Leafyblue
11-24-2012, 12:02 AM
I just watched Top Gear test drive the Toyota GT86 and they Loved it.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201111/toyota-gt-86-3_600x0w.jpg

Leafin'
11-24-2012, 12:59 AM
Is it any different than the Scion FR-S?

Leafyblue
11-24-2012, 09:22 AM
I guess not. I haven't seen one of those either, so it was new to me. :)

CRL
11-24-2012, 09:58 AM
I just watched Top Gear test drive the Toyota GT86 and they Loved it.

http://pictures.topspeed.com/IMG/crop/201111/toyota-gt-86-3_600x0w.jpg

it is already started?

PlayerToBeNamedLater
11-24-2012, 10:18 AM
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-xl_Gh8xrxrI/UI4iKsR7unI/AAAAAAAAELk/Gc9AHd7caI8/s1600/branew_2009_nissan_370z_002-1229-950x673.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_FoXyvaPSnVk/Sjj3AD8RnbI/AAAAAAAB1A0/9Y6XQ5KzvXg/s1600/NISSAN-370Z-3.jpg

Leafyblue
11-24-2012, 10:18 AM
New torrent just out called Top Gear's Worst Car in the World. I know...but they did the cars they liked too.

MindzEye
11-24-2012, 11:03 AM
You need to get out of the cold so you can enjoy things year round...

Trust me, I'm working on it. This winter and probably next will be my last 2 working in the winter...and if I'm not having to work in them, you can bet your ass I won't be living in it.

Deckie007
11-24-2012, 11:14 AM
I guess not. I haven't seen one of those either, so it was new to me. :)

Same car. The Subaru BRZ looks better to me. Same engine, different car. Priced under 30K....not bad.

http://www.subaru.ca/Content/7907/media/General/ImageLibrary/_H002193Medium.jpg