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Deckie007
02-09-2013, 01:11 PM
Continued from the League Discussion....

I started a Fantrax League to see what could be done. Here's what I have so far:

Total Points Leauge
Weekly Lineups

$30 entry payable to: forumicemlbdynasty@gmail.com (interac money transfer or paypal is fine)

Draft


30 rounds:

25 man MLB roster
5 man prospect roster

Draft start: March 2 @ 900 EST

Live "slow" online draft. We will use the Fantrax Draft Lobby to draft with a 9hr clock. After 9 hrs, your pick is skipped and the next manager will be on the clock. Fantrax will automatically email you when you are on the clock, so make sure you have the correct email listed.

Prizes:

After Fantrax Premium is paid for, remaining pot is paid out as following:

70% for Winner
20% for 2nd
10% for 3rd

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Roster Positions

25 man major league roster (C,1B,2B,SS,3B,LF,CF,RF,UTIL) (5 SP+5 RP) (6 reserve)
15 man minor league roster (MLB 150 gp limit for hitters/MLB 50 appearance limit for pitchers)
Unlimited IR
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Keepers

Keep 20 players

Prospects eligible for Minor League Roster up to 150 GP for position players and 50 appearances for pitchers.


Scoring
http://i.imgur.com/vGE22W1.png
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Confirmed for entry

Axlsalinger
Blueman
BuffloSoldier
Cheech
Habsfan1
Deckie007
Montana
Hairnova
Fergy
Fitzgerald#11
Green Hornet
JaysCyYoung
Leafman
maryac8500
Matrim
MindzEye
MyNameIsJonas
Sid Bream's Wheels
Habspatrol
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Managers in GREEN have paid for the upcoming season.

MyNameIsJonas
02-09-2013, 01:13 PM
I would be 100% in on this.

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 01:21 PM
In all the way. Need OBP and SLG for hitting statistics though.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 01:27 PM
In all the way. Need OBP and SLG for hitting statistics though.

As long as there's a way to make it per game we should use as many useful stats as possible. Any cumulative stat throws the standings out of whack.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 01:28 PM
I'd like to see maybe SBs go for 1 point and caught stealing go for -.3 or something like that.

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 01:32 PM
I'm refining the scoring a bit...I'll keep editing the 1st post to reflect.

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 01:33 PM
I'd like to see maybe SBs go for 1 point and caught stealing go for -.3 or something like that.

We could also use net SB...another idea.

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 01:37 PM
Added blown saves @ -5
Too much?

MyNameIsJonas
02-09-2013, 01:38 PM
with countsing singles, doubles, triples, hr...as they are...we dont need a % stat like OPS so much.

MyNameIsJonas
02-09-2013, 01:39 PM
Added blown saves @ -5
Too much?

If aves are worth 10 i dont think so no.

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 01:44 PM
As long as there's a way to make it per game we should use as many useful stats as possible. Any cumulative stat throws the standings out of whack.

Yeah, it's doable. Just need to figure out the values.

OBP:

300-400: 1pt
401-500: 2pts
501-750: 3pts
751-999: 4pts
1000: 5pts

Pulling these numbers out of my ass, btw. No idea how to score OBP.

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 01:46 PM
with countsing singles, doubles, triples, hr...as they are...we dont need a % stat like OPS so much.

This is true. We could remove the counting stats and just give bonus pts for HRs and IBBs for example. That's another option.

MyNameIsJonas
02-09-2013, 01:48 PM
I really dotn mind how you constructed it as is...and % stats could cause the same pain that it did for hockey with goalies.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 01:51 PM
We could also use net SB...another idea.

Personally I like having a successful SB worth more than a failed steal. Kinda like in the hockey league where we have face off wins worth more than you lose for a face off loss.

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 01:52 PM
with countsing singles, doubles, triples, hr...as they are...we dont need a % stat like OPS so much.

Yes we do. It's the single most important hitting statistic.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 01:53 PM
Have you started a league and input these numbers to see where top pitchers rank compared to top hitters?

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 01:54 PM
Yes we do. It's the single most important hitting statistic.

But is a points league where you're already using every stat that goes into OPS it's kind of redundant.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 01:59 PM
Yeah, it's doable. Just need to figure out the values.

OBP:

300-400: 1pt
401-500: 2pts
501-750: 3pts
751-999: 4pts
1000: 5pts

Pulling these numbers out of my ass, btw. No idea how to score OBP.

If we're going to use OPS I like the idea of finding the middle ground and making anything above it positive and anything below it negative.
299 and under: -2pts
300-399: -1pt
400-499: 0pts
500-699: 1pts
700-899: 2pts
900-999: 3pts
1000-1199: 4pts
1200-1499: 5pts
1500+ 6pts

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 02:28 PM
Yes we do. It's the single most important hitting statistic.

It's not an issue counting it. You just need to remove the counting stats. I'd actually prefer that tbh.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 02:32 PM
I'd like to see maybe SBs go for 1 point and caught stealing go for -.3 or something like that.

Or 2 for a SB and -1 for a CS.

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 02:51 PM
If we're going to use OPS I like the idea of finding the middle ground and making anything above it positive and anything below it negative.
299 and under: -2pts
300-399: -1pt
400-499: 0pts
500-699: 1pts
700-899: 2pts
900-999: 3pts
1000-1199: 4pts
1200-1499: 5pts
1500+ 6pts

Uhhh... even Babe Ruth didn't post OPS's above 1.200. :lol

And there's not an MLB regular who will be below .600, so I don't think you have to worry about anything below that range.

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 02:52 PM
Uhhh... even Babe Ruth didn't post OPS's above 1.200. :lol

And there's not an MLB regular who will be below .600, so I don't think you have to worry about anything below that range.

Well...it's a daily stat, so players will post OPS of 1.200 and under .600

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 02:54 PM
Uhhh... even Babe Ruth didn't post OPS's above 1.200. :lol

And there's not an MLB regular who will be below .600, so I don't think you have to worry about anything below that range.

So they never have a game below .600 or above 1.200?

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 02:58 PM
Make it seasonal.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 03:01 PM
Did you learn nothing from the SV% debacle?

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 03:02 PM
I never paid attention to that debate as it seemed superflous and overtly dramatic to me. Plus you and mbow just whined at each other the whole time.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 03:10 PM
I never paid attention to that debate as it seemed superflous and overtly dramatic to me. Plus you and mbow just whined at each other the whole time.

Who cares about the argument... look at the havoc caused by SV% last year. And that was just for a few goalies.

Imagine it for every batter. If a guy only plays 7 games and puts up a 1.300 OPS he's going to worth more than a guy that plays 140 games at .950.

So we put a 10 game limit? 20 game limit? Then guys get screwed out of good points for a young guy they had in for 9 games... or 18 games.

Things like OPS, SV%, GAA, AVG can only work on a game by game basis in a points league.

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 03:14 PM
Fair enough. Then we'll come up with an appropriate calculation per game.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 03:19 PM
Fair enough. Then we'll come up with an appropriate calculation per game.

Yeah, I think it seems to be working out pretty good using per game SV%... we just need to find a similar deal for OPS.

Deckie should be able to try a few different formulas to come up with something that works.

MyNameIsJonas
02-09-2013, 04:11 PM
I was cool with

single-1
double-2
triple-3
home run-4
walk 0.75

its simple and works.

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 06:34 PM
I was cool with

single-1
double-2
triple-3
home run-4
walk 0.75

its simple and works.

I like these allocations with the caveat that a walk should be worth 1 as well. It's the exact same thing value-wise as a single.

Deckie007
02-09-2013, 06:39 PM
I like these allocations with the caveat that a walk should be worth 1 as well. It's the exact same thing value-wise as a single.

Not really. Runner on 2nd with 2 outs....what do you want, a single or a walk? One results in a run most likely, the other just puts a guy on 1st without moving the runner. I would have no issue making IBBs worth 1 pt, but non intentional walks should be worth less than a single.

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 06:40 PM
A walk is worth one total base. The exact same thing as a single.

And it has been historically extremely undervalued. It's only recently with the intelligence and effective communication skills of authors such as Bill James that those who were mired in traditional ignorance are starting to realize that and beginning to see its value.

MyNameIsJonas
02-09-2013, 07:32 PM
I'm not opposed to making a walk slightly worse than a single, but it probably should be dead even.

If runners are on base you are likely to get more with the RBI's you achieve from the single as opposed to a walk anyways.

When no one is on they are the same.

JaysCyYoung
02-09-2013, 07:34 PM
True, but you're double counting in the first instance because you're already getting credit for additional points with RBIs or runs. The total value of the base remains the same.

Habspatrol
02-09-2013, 08:20 PM
I like these allocations with the caveat that a walk should be worth 1 as well. It's the exact same thing value-wise as a single.

I almost made this same post.... Then I figured that you have more potential to advance runners more than one base with a single than a walk therefore it has a bit more value.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 12:45 AM
I almost made this same post.... Then I figured that you have more potential to advance runners more than one base with a single than a walk therefore it has a bit more value.

:shrug

I'm not going to argue too much about it. I think a single should be worth more than a walk. If someone is going to lose their shit over it, I'll yield. Not a big deal.

Blueman
02-10-2013, 01:36 AM
:shrug

I'm not going to argue too much about it. I think a single should be worth more than a walk. If someone is going to lose their shit over it, I'll yield. Not a big deal.
Anyone see my Shit? Can't find it anywhere! :drink

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 05:37 AM
Thought Deckie nailed it the first time. 1 point for a single, 0.75 for a walk (perhaps 0.85 as a compromise). The single is slightly more valuable. End of discussion.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 11:55 AM
So I just published the league to see how the scoring would look based on my first post. Here's what I ended up with:

Top pitcher - Verlander: 36.03 fp/g
Top Hitter - Trout: 4.79 fp/g

Seems like the scoring is a bit high on the pitching side...not sure where we want it to end up. The top 20 hitters ranged from 3.6-4.79 fp/g. The top 20 pitchers ranged from 31.03-36.03 fp/g,

leafman101
02-10-2013, 11:58 AM
Yeah, walks and hits should be valued the same. They are the same.

Ideally you'd give points for opb and slg and ignore singles/walk/double/triple/hr altogether.

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 12:33 PM
Yeah, walks and hits should be valued the same. They are the same.

Ideally you'd give points for opb and slg and ignore singles/walk/double/triple/hr altogether.

I just can't see how a walk is as valuable as a single. No doubt it's close but not quite as valuable.

With a runner on 1st base a walk advances him to 2nd... a single will usually advance him to 3rd.

As for OPS... yeah if we could find a good way to make it per game it would be great.

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 12:37 PM
So I just published the league to see how the scoring would look based on my first post. Here's what I ended up with:

Top pitcher - Verlander: 36.03 fp/g
Top Hitter - Trout: 4.79 fp/g

Seems like the scoring is a bit high on the pitching side...not sure where we want it to end up. The top 20 hitters ranged from 3.6-4.79 fp/g. The top 20 pitchers ranged from 31.03-36.03 fp/g,

Yikes... that seems awfully high scoring. Just trying to come up with some ideas here. What if we cut all batting stats in half and all pitching stats by like 66%?

leafman101
02-10-2013, 12:41 PM
Getting on base is all that matters. If you advance a runner into scoring position, you advance a runner into scoring position.

I'm not sure that the amount of times a runner advanced to 3rd on a single scores over the amount of time the runner was advanced to 2nd on a walk scores is statistically significant. Never mind as high as 25%.

Not to mention that the whole idea is misguided in the first place because singles with runners on base aren't worth more than bases empty singles, so why are we factoring runners on base into the scoring of walks. The only runners on base that matter for hitters scoring are the ones that cross the plate.

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 12:52 PM
Getting on base is all that matters. If you advance a runner into scoring position, you advance a runner into scoring position.

I'm not sure that the amount of times a runner advanced to 3rd on a single scores over the amount of time the runner was advanced to 2nd on a walk scores is statistically significant. Never mind as high as 25%.

Not to mention that the whole idea is misguided in the first place because singles with runners on base aren't worth more than bases empty singles, so why are we factoring runners on base into the scoring of walks. The only runners on base that matter for hitters scoring are the ones that cross the plate.

I just can't agree with that. Advancing a runner to 3rd is flat out more valuable than advancing a runner to second.

That said, it's not a big deal. If a single is set at the same value as a walk I wouldn't be upset. I just believe that a single has slightly more value.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 02:03 PM
So I just published the league to see how the scoring would look based on my first post. Here's what I ended up with:

Top pitcher - Verlander: 36.03 fp/g
Top Hitter - Trout: 4.79 fp/g

Seems like the scoring is a bit high on the pitching side...not sure where we want it to end up. The top 20 hitters ranged from 3.6-4.79 fp/g. The top 20 pitchers ranged from 31.03-36.03 fp/g,

We might need to alter it...but not a ton..as a position player goes 5 times for every start a pitcher gets.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 02:04 PM
I'm for walks and singles to be even.

Singles are going to lead to more RBI than walks which already makes them more valuable.

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 04:31 PM
Yeah, walks and hits should be valued the same. They are the same.

Ideally you'd give points for opb and slg and ignore singles/walk/double/triple/hr altogether.

Hopefully Brett Lawrie reads this post, and tries to go first to third on a walk.

Joking aside, I do think 0.85 for a walk (compared to 1 for a single) is the right number, but wouldn't be completely opposed to making them each worth a point. To suggest that they are completely equal, however, is just silly.

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 04:34 PM
So I just published the league to see how the scoring would look based on my first post. Here's what I ended up with:

Top pitcher - Verlander: 36.03 fp/g
Top Hitter - Trout: 4.79 fp/g

Seems like the scoring is a bit high on the pitching side...not sure where we want it to end up. The top 20 hitters ranged from 3.6-4.79 fp/g. The top 20 pitchers ranged from 31.03-36.03 fp/g,

Don't be shy about trying a number of permutations, and posting different suggestions here. We definitely want to find the right scoring mix before the season starts, rather than having to put out fires retroactively. You're on the right track though, for the NHL league Mbow and Leafman ran a bunch of different options to find the right scoring mix. The idea there (correct me if I'm wrong, LM) was to make 100 points a sort of benchmark for high-end players (talking hockey here, not baseball), with a few elite players scoring higher, and to ensure that scoring for forwards, d-men and goalies were all configured off the same sort of benchmark.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 04:37 PM
Would we have this draft live on a site?...or how the hockey one was done on FI?

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 04:41 PM
I'd think it would probably have to be an offline draft. Damn near impossible to get 20 teams (if that ends up being the # of teams) together at the same time. And if somebody can't make it, even if it's last second and for a legit reason, getting auto-drafted would really throw their entire franchise out of whack.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 04:55 PM
i agree, i think we should leave ourselves 10 days or so to get an offline draft done, maybe more

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 06:00 PM
Don't be shy about trying a number of permutations, and posting different suggestions here. We definitely want to find the right scoring mix before the season starts, rather than having to put out fires retroactively. You're on the right track though, for the NHL league Mbow and Leafman ran a bunch of different options to find the right scoring mix. The idea there (correct me if I'm wrong, LM) was to make 100 points a sort of benchmark for high-end players (talking hockey here, not baseball), with a few elite players scoring higher, and to ensure that scoring for forwards, d-men and goalies were all configured off the same sort of benchmark.

Gotcha. I'll keep tinkering and posting the results until we find a good balance.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 07:44 PM
Tweaked the settings again...First I halved the scoring for the pitchers. Second I changed the scoring from counting stats to .SLG & .OBP

Scored OBP

.001-.100 = 0
.101-.200 = .5
.201-.300 = 1
.301-.400 = 1.5
.401-.500 = 2
.501-.600 = 2.5
.601-.700 = 3
.701-.800 = 3.5
.801-.900 = 4
.901-1.000 = 4.5

Same for .SLG up to 1.000, with the below added:

1.01-1.25 = 5
1.251-1.5 = 5.5
1.51-1.999 = 6
2.000 + = 7

Top Pitcher: Verlander @ 19 fp/g
Top Hitter: Trout @ 5.94 fp/g

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I like this a bit better. I think we should add ERA and WHIP scoring to the pitchers to balance it out. Also, we need to slightly modify the UTIL position's scoring so guys like Ortiz aren't too valuable due to their not having opportunity to commit errors like those who field a position.

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 07:53 PM
Admittedly I've never done a baseball points league, but those still seem high. Is that somewhat normal for a baseball points league?

Forgive me if this is silly but I'd imagine that around 2.5-3 fppg for an elite batter and around 8-9 fppg for an elite SP would have been good. Then maybe 3-4 for a top closer and 2ish for middle relievers.

Ultimately it's not a big deal though, since it's going to be the same for everyone.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 07:58 PM
Admittedly I've never done a baseball points league, but those still seem high. Is that somewhat normal for a baseball points league?

Forgive me if this is silly but I'd imagine that around 2.5-3 fppg for an elite batter and around 8-9 fppg for an elite SP would have been good. Then maybe 3-4 for a top closer and 2ish for middle relievers.

Ultimately it's not a big deal though, since it's going to be the same for everyone.

I've never done one myself to be honest. It's not a big deal, I can halve the scoring again if needed.

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 08:00 PM
I've never done one myself to be honest. It's not a big deal, I can halve the scoring again if needed.

Try that and I bet it looks great... to me anyway.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 08:05 PM
IMO if we want to make it appropriate a SP should be about 5 times as valuable as a bat of the same quality....since the SP will go once for every 5 games the Bat gets.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 08:06 PM
IMO if we want to make it appropriate a SP should be about 5 times as valuable as a bat of the same quality....since the SP will go once for every 5 games the Bat gets.

I'll halve the scoring and add WHIP and ERA scoring for pitching. Bet it looks real good after that.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 08:09 PM
I'll halve the scoring and add WHIP and ERA scoring for pitching. Bet it looks real good after that.

Sounds awesome...

After the scoring is settled we just need to nail down rules/regulations/rosters and we're set.

I for one like a IP count...and GP count at each position

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 08:13 PM
Should we consider a salary cap of some sort?

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 08:15 PM
Should we consider a salary cap of some sort?

Baseball doesn't....why should we?

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 08:20 PM
Personally, I think percentage stats (OPS, OBP, etc.) should be used for secondary scoring, not the main scoring settings. We want it to be a deep league with more than just standard scoring, but counting stats are the industry standard for a reason. It's a lot easier to prepare and scout that way (IMO). Just did a quick Google search looking for how scoring is set up for various leagues, and it's (not surprisingly) all over the map.

Do you have access to what the default settings were in Fantrax, just for comparison?

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 08:27 PM
Personally, I think percentage stats (OPS, OBP, etc.) should be used for secondary scoring, not the main scoring settings. We want it to be a deep league with more than just standard scoring, but counting stats are the industry standard for a reason. It's a lot easier to prepare and scout that way (IMO). Just did a quick Google search looking for how scoring is set up for various leagues, and it's (not surprisingly) all over the map.

Do you have access to what the default settings were in Fantrax, just for comparison?

I get this, but also dont see the point necessarily if we are going 1 2 3 4 for S D T HR....and 1 for a BB...

What i would love to do...is to factor in % of defensive plays made for balls in the area....say 0.1 per play...and -0.01 for every miss?

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 08:29 PM
Would you really have "fun" getting 0.1 points for a defensive play? My advice, in general, is don't try to reinvent the wheel. Unless it really needs to be reinvented.

Here's a thread with a few different suggestions that we can all look at, see if there's any in particular that stand out.

http://www.fantasybaseballcafe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=438944

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 08:32 PM
Personally, I think percentage stats (OPS, OBP, etc.) should be used for secondary scoring, not the main scoring settings. We want it to be a deep league with more than just standard scoring, but counting stats are the industry standard for a reason. It's a lot easier to prepare and scout that way (IMO). Just did a quick Google search looking for how scoring is set up for various leagues, and it's (not surprisingly) all over the map.

Do you have access to what the default settings were in Fantrax, just for comparison?

Default:

http://i.imgur.com/DFeXSBk.png

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 08:34 PM
To be honest with you guys...as long as we find a way to balance hitters and pitchers...i'm good....

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 09:07 PM
To be honest with you guys...as long as we find a way to balance hitters and pitchers...i'm good....

I think we're almost there..need to decide between % stats and counting stats though. I'm fine with either, but using both doesn't make sense.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 09:15 PM
I think we're almost there..need to decide between % stats and counting stats though. I'm fine with either, but using both doesn't make sense.

I think we run a better chance for no problems with counting.

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 09:17 PM
I agree... less chance of unforeseen errors and loopholes.

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 09:38 PM
Agreed.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 09:50 PM
Think I got it:

Scoring
http://i.imgur.com/L42WasO.png

Hitting
http://i.imgur.com/ofXT8sf.png

SP
http://i.imgur.com/zKrgyml.png

RP
http://i.imgur.com/32flK47.png

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 10:04 PM
That looks really good.

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 10:05 PM
Although now that I look it does seem wrong that relief pitchers have that close to as much value as Mike Trout and Miggy.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 10:08 PM
Although now that I look it does seem wrong that relief pitchers have that close to as much value as Mike Trout and Miggy.

66% of the top hitters value is too close?

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 10:11 PM
66% of the top hitters value is too close?
Yeah I guess that's true.

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 10:14 PM
Yeah I guess that's true.

LOL...wasn't being sarcastic, was actually a legit question. But I think it's pretty balanced.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 10:22 PM
i wish there was a way to factor in D but that looks great deck

Habspatrol
02-10-2013, 10:40 PM
LOL...wasn't being sarcastic, was actually a legit question. But I think it's pretty balanced.

Yeah it's probably good. For some reason I saw a couple of those RP names and thought... damn, there's no way they should be that close to the top hitters. But I guess 65% isn't all that close.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 10:47 PM
Lets get a rules and reg done up ragarding rosters...then find out who wants to be in this bad boy

Deckie007
02-10-2013, 10:52 PM
Cool. Just need commitments from people to get going. Is this going to be a pay league, or are we just getting an admittance fee so we can enable the premium features?

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 10:58 PM
Cool. Just need commitments from people to get going. Is this going to be a pay league, or are we just getting an admittance fee so we can enable the premium features?

I would prefer it a pay league...something that takes this much time should have a reward.

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 11:17 PM
Those numbers look pretty solid. Might be an idea to run the #'s for the year before last as well and post the totals (Mbow and LF did that for hockey, I think), just to see if there's any anomalies and how players and positions stacked up in back-to-back years. Maybe give it a day or so for a few others to take a look and see if there is any additional tweaking required for the scoring. But certainly on first glance it looks good. Everyone reading this, feel free to weigh in.

I guess then we can discuss how many teams, and whether it's a pay league or not. Does 20 seem like a solid # to shoot for? Might be a good idea to get the finances determined in advance. One idea would be to do something similar to hockey, where we had a $10 fee first year, expanded to say $30 in subsequent years.

Also, how would the minor league system work? Similar to what we do in hockey? Would we have a rookie draft each year, and how many rounds, etc.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 11:18 PM
Those numbers look pretty solid. Might be an idea to run the #'s for the year before last as well and post the totals (Mbow and LF did that for hockey, I think), just to see if there's any anomalies and how players and positions stacked up in back-to-back years. Maybe give it a day or so for a few others to take a look and see if there is any additional tweaking required for the scoring. But certainly on first glance it looks good. Everyone reading this, feel free to weigh in.

I guess then we can discuss how many teams, and whether it's a pay league or not. Does 20 seem like a solid # to shoot for? Might be a good idea to get the finances determined in advance. One idea would be to do something similar to hockey, where we had a $10 fee first year, expanded to say $30 in subsequent years.

Also, how would the minor league system work? Similar to what we do in hockey? Would we have a rookie draft each year, and how many rounds, etc.

Yeah these are things we need to figure out

axlsalinger
02-10-2013, 11:19 PM
Perhaps a slight uptick somewhere in the pitching stats is something to consider? Seems a bit off that the top point producing SP (Dickey) finished with about the same # of points as Aramis Ramirez.

JaysCyYoung
02-10-2013, 11:39 PM
Oh God a baseball draft would be notoriously difficult to conduct.

MyNameIsJonas
02-10-2013, 11:43 PM
Rookie Drafts would be really really hard...esp since guys are usually 5 years away

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 12:27 AM
One offline draft. If you want a prospect with your 5th round pick then go nuts.

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 12:34 AM
How did you guys build your prospect pool prior to year 1 in the hockey league?

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 12:40 AM
How did you guys build your prospect pool prior to year 1 in the hockey league?

We did full fantasy draft where we could take anyone not drafted in 2012... prospects started going after a few rounds.

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 12:54 AM
We did full fantasy draft where we could take anyone not drafted in 2012... prospects started going after a few rounds.

No problem following that model...full draft this year. Amateur draft next year consisting of players taken in the 2013 draft & international free agents signed.

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 01:00 AM
Hitting

2010
http://i.imgur.com/RQJ0JP9.png

2011
http://i.imgur.com/0qqE8Yl.png

2012
http://i.imgur.com/ofXT8sf.png

SP

2010

http://i.imgur.com/Y7Dwubb.png

2011

http://i.imgur.com/JzyFgv0.png

2012

http://i.imgur.com/3bVI4rx.png


RP

2010

http://i.imgur.com/FavZzYn.png

2011

http://i.imgur.com/Sz6z3Mx.png

2012

http://i.imgur.com/5Nk4e1Z.png

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 01:04 AM
That looks pretty damn good.

MindzEye
02-11-2013, 01:06 AM
I'm in

axlsalinger
02-11-2013, 01:09 AM
That looks pretty damn good.

Yep.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 01:15 AM
As for rookie contracts. I think 20 spots for players up until they play 150 MLB games. Maybe 50 appearances for pitchers.

Would something like that work?

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:18 AM
As for rookie contracts. I think 20 spots for players up until they play 150 MLB games. Maybe 50 appearances for pitchers.

Would something like that work?

Yes i think that works

Standard 25 man roster?...and how big a minor league system?

axlsalinger
02-11-2013, 01:18 AM
Predominantly home run hitters listed (as it should be). Just thinking out loud, should we perhaps add a little more emphasis on speed? Not sure the best way to tweak, maybe either a slight decrease in points per HR, or a slight increase for SB's and R's?

Maybe try both (or whatever you think is best), then post the new 2012 results alongside the 2012 results with the current scoring? (And sorry for creating more work, just would be interesting to compare a couple of different results.)

axlsalinger
02-11-2013, 01:19 AM
25-man roster sounds perfect. Maybe either 15 (for a 40-man roster) or 20 rookie spots. Not sure whether we'd want less, more or the same # of prospects as in hockey.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 01:21 AM
Yes i think that works

Standard 25 man roster?...and how big a minor league system?

I suggested 20 minor spots. Seems like a nice starting point.

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 01:21 AM
Added three year totals...looks solid I think. I just gave a slight uptick to IP scoring. Take a look:

Before:

http://i.imgur.com/zKrgyml.png

After:

http://i.imgur.com/3oBZ9ad.png

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:23 AM
i like the idea of 15...for a 40 man roster in total.

With...maybe 5 DL spots?

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:23 AM
actually unlimited DL

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 01:23 AM
25-man roster sounds perfect. Maybe either 15 (for a 40-man roster) or 20 rookie spots. Not sure whether we'd want less, more or the same # of prospects as in hockey.

I prefer 25/15 split (for realism), but not married to it. HP's appearance #s look good.
Never a good reason not to have unlimited DL spots.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 01:24 AM
Unlimited DL spots. You should never have to lose a player due to injuries.

axlsalinger
02-11-2013, 01:24 AM
Looks solid. I like that Kershaw and Hamels moved ahead of Gio, since I think they are both superior pitchers. Most names stayed in the same spot, which is good.

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:26 AM
I guess now we find out who wants in...and get going as soon as possible...40 rounds could take along time

Especially knowing we have to balance the 25 and 15

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 01:28 AM
I prefer 25/15 split (for realism), but not married to it. HP's appearance #s look good.

I'm good either way but I figured with how many baseball prospects there are and how long they take to develop 20 was a good starting point.

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:28 AM
How many do we have to protect at the end of a season?

axlsalinger
02-11-2013, 01:32 AM
We also started with 15 prospects in hockey, then upped it to 20 this year. Wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same, ie. play it out for one year with 40-man rosters, then increase the prospect total if we feel it's needed.

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 01:35 AM
How many do we have to protect at the end of a season?

Protect 20? Lose 5?

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 01:37 AM
We also started with 15 prospects in hockey, then upped it to 20 this year. Wouldn't be a bad idea to do the same, ie. play it out for one year with 40-man rosters, then increase the prospect total if we feel it's needed.

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. We could always expand it if needed. Would definitely speed up the draft process this year as well. Doing 40 rounds is going to be quite an undertaking as it is. 40 man roster and a 5 round draft at the minimum next year sounds good.

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:38 AM
that works

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:39 AM
Protect 20? Lose 5?

I think thats fair...with the potential for that numberto decrease if we ever expand?

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 01:39 AM
Someone should PM everyone from the hockey league and we'll see how many outsiders we need to fill out the 20 teams.

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:44 AM
right now for sure we have

Myself
Habspatrol
Deckie
Jays
Mindz
Axl


I'm pretty sure Montana wants to partner with someone.

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:44 AM
Someone should PM everyone from the hockey league and we'll see how many outsiders we need to fill out the 20 teams.

Is 20 teams a must right away?

axlsalinger
02-11-2013, 01:49 AM
It doesn't have to be.

And no co-managers!

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 01:51 AM
i tried pming everyone...but they said i couldnt do more than 5...then the page forze...then i acciendently closed my porn window...so i quit the endevour

fergy57
02-11-2013, 01:58 AM
Myself and a group of 5 or 6 friends were gonna start a keeper league, so if you need bodies, I can see if they are interested.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 11:51 AM
It doesn't have to be.

And no co-managers!

Why? Who cares? Why does it matter that Montana and I co-manage a hockey team?

leafman101
02-11-2013, 11:57 AM
I'm in.

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 12:04 PM
Why? Who cares? Why does it matter that Montana and I co-manage a hockey team?

Yeah this doesnt bother me either...only real downside is that we could be losing a potential team in the league....but i get why somone with not alot of time...would want to partner...

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 12:08 PM
right now for sure we have

Myself
Habspatrol
Deckie
Jays
Mindz
Axl


I'm pretty sure Montana wants to partner with someone.

Leafman makes 7

I'd like to see minimum 12.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 12:12 PM
Yeah this doesnt bother me either...only real downside is that we could be losing a potential team in the league....but i get why somone with not alot of time...would want to partner...

Nah, Montana said he wouldn't have time for a hockey team and he's said the same for this league. So we aren't losing a potential manager.

Myself, I guess I could run the team on my own but I'd likely be discussing a lot of my moves with friends, and in particular Montana. So why not just have him as a co-manager?

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 12:14 PM
Nah, Montana said he wouldn't have time for a hockey team and he's said the same for this league. So we aren't losing a potential manager.

Myself, I guess I could run the team on my own but I'd likely be discussing a lot of my moves with friends, and in particular Montana. So why not just have him as a co-manager?

As i said...i have no problem with it....and i know he doesnt have time on his own...i was just speaking in generalities...in fact...i ant to poach your partner for this...i love his MLB mind.

MindzEye
02-11-2013, 02:37 PM
Leafman makes 7

I'd like to see minimum 12.

Shit, I'd like to see 20 again. The real beauty in our league is how much digging for talent you have to do, a 12 team league and that isn't nearly as hard as it would be with 20.

MindzEye
02-11-2013, 02:40 PM
Why? Who cares? Why does it matter that Montana and I co-manage a hockey team?

To be fair, it does leave the rest of us at a disadvantage, right down to the "my boyfriend really likes this player, so I've gotta check with him" game you two play so well.

Montana
02-11-2013, 02:40 PM
20 should definitely be the gold standard for any such league.....it works perfectly for hockey and should be a necessity for starting a ball league.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 02:44 PM
To be fair, it does leave the rest of us at a disadvantage, right down to the "my boyfriend really likes this player, so I've gotta check with him" game you two play so well.

Disadvantage? You're all entitled to ask anyone you like for advice. If you prefer I could say "I really like that player, I need to think about it." I can't speak for Montana but any time I've said I have to check with him it's not a game, just letting the other manager know why I'm going to take a bit to get back to him.

Montana
02-11-2013, 02:46 PM
To be fair, it does leave the rest of us at a disadvantage.


called. it.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 02:49 PM
I'm trying to figure out how it's a disadvantage. Like I say "Montana really likes that guy, I'm going to check with him and get back to you." Then the other guy says "okay I'll double my offer."

Deckie007
02-11-2013, 09:07 PM
I'm trying to figure out how it's a disadvantage. Like I say "Montana really likes that guy, I'm going to check with him and get back to you." Then the other guy says "okay I'll double my offer."

It's the "car salesman" approach. :sarcasm

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 09:13 PM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Es11aolOS08/Ty20FLwg0cI/AAAAAAAADJU/qZ_s2NDTiSE/s1600/used-car-salesman-2-thumb.jpg

axlsalinger
02-11-2013, 10:46 PM
If that car salesman can't sell any cars, and needs a second car salesman to help him sell something.

Habspatrol
02-11-2013, 11:28 PM
Or he could just whine about his competitor rather than just getting a better product to sell.

Matrim
02-11-2013, 11:34 PM
Count me in! Been thinking about doing a dynasty league for awhile.

MyNameIsJonas
02-11-2013, 11:42 PM
Or he could just whine about his competitor rather than just getting a better product to sell.

Are you guys reqired to run all quips and retorts defending the duo by one another for approval?

Habspatrol
02-12-2013, 12:16 AM
Let me check.

Deckie007
02-12-2013, 12:19 AM
Let me check.

Well played.

When I said you were the car salesman approach, I was talking about when the car salesman goes to the "finance manager" or some bullshit to "get you the best deal" and reports back with a slightly better deal. That's totally what you guys do. Not saying it's shady, just sayin'.

Habspatrol
02-12-2013, 12:38 AM
Yeah I got that. I was replying to axl's remark.

fergy57
02-12-2013, 12:45 AM
Well played.

When I said you were the car salesman approach, I was talking about when the car salesman goes to the "finance manager" or some bullshit to "get you the best deal" and reports back with a slightly better deal. That's totally what you guys do. Not saying it's shady, just sayin'.

Fargo ftw.

MindzEye
02-12-2013, 03:36 AM
called. it.

Oh, I don't give much of a **** either way...I don't think for a second that you two shouldn't be able to continue your relationship, even grow it into a 2 sport affair. But there are definite advantages inherent to having 2 owners. There are obvious communication hurdles, but some definite upsides if that can be handled well.

MindzEye
02-12-2013, 03:39 AM
I'm trying to figure out how it's a disadvantage.

2 people to engage in trade discussions (I've lost out on deals before due to availability when I'm at work), 2 people to scout prospects, etc.

Like I said, I've got no issue with it. It's no different than NHL clubs having to work against teams with bigger scouting departments, but let's not pretend that there's no advantages in it. If there was no advantage in it, you would both have your own clubs.

Montana
02-12-2013, 03:54 AM
But there are definite advantages inherent to having 2 owners. There are obvious communication hurdles, but some definite upsides if that can be handled well.

Whatever you have to tell yourself.






#inyourhead

Montana
02-12-2013, 04:15 AM
All kidding aside, you lads give me waaaaaaaay too much credit if you think I actually play that much of a role in this.......HP pays the entrance fee, he did the initial draft virtually on his own, virtually all the real significant trades have been his doing (Stamkos, St.Louis, Schneider, Smith, Price, Rask, Moulson, Kronwall, Karlsson, etc etc etc all HP acquisitions)....and he does all the weekly lineup tinkering and waiver wire acquisitions.

Team building wise, it's been virtually all HP's doing.....In fact during the offseason I recommended he take my name off the team as I knew once he had any modicum of success you lads would try using that as an excuse to downplay what he had done.

My job is probably 90% gum flapping on the boards, and 10% talking hockey with people I'd be doing it with anyway....I'm a glorified answering machine.

Habspatrol
02-12-2013, 08:47 AM
2 people to engage in trade discussions (I've lost out on deals before due to availability when I'm at work), 2 people to scout prospects, etc.

Like I said, I've got no issue with it. It's no different than NHL clubs having to work against teams with bigger scouting departments, but let's not pretend that there's no advantages in it. If there was no advantage in it, you would both have your own clubs.

Meh, I am ALWAYS available to talk trade or make moves. Ask anyone that ever tries to get a hold of me via text or on here. They never wait long for a reply. So I suppose I have an advantage in that regard over anyone else who doesn't have a job where they have the freedom to check online or texts frequently.

To be honest, having Montana kinda slows me down when it comes to stuff like that since I always run stuff by him and he's not nearly as available as I am.

MyNameIsJonas
02-12-2013, 08:53 AM
When i deal witht he duo...most of the time i deal with Montana...and i cant think of a single occasion where he's had to delay something by going to ask HP...they usualyl already know what each other are thinking.

They would own the newlywed game or amazing race ( asuming one is an athlete, and one can think)

Habspatrol
02-13-2013, 08:06 PM
So should we get started soon or what? 40 rounds is gonna take awhile.

MyNameIsJonas
02-13-2013, 08:11 PM
That's my thinking homie...

We should get roster numbers ironed out...and get to work.

Deckie007
02-13-2013, 08:12 PM
Only 8 people confirmed...need more people.

fergy57
02-13-2013, 08:18 PM
Like I said, I have 5-6 that would be interested in joining, should we need bodies.

Let me know, and I'll talk to them about it.

Habspatrol
02-13-2013, 08:52 PM
Did anyone PM the entire league to see if they are interested?

Habspatrol
02-13-2013, 08:54 PM
Like I said, I have 5-6 that would be interested in joining, should we need bodies.

Let me know, and I'll talk to them about it.

Considering we're hoping for 20 I think it's a safe bet to say you could probably ask them.

fergy57
02-13-2013, 09:49 PM
Ok.

They will be up for paying whatever, as well.

Habspatrol
02-13-2013, 09:53 PM
Tell them to sign up a join in this thread. Also let me know their user names. We've been getting a lot of spammers lately so new users need to be approved.

hairnova
02-13-2013, 10:26 PM
I'd be interested if you have a spot.

Habspatrol
02-13-2013, 10:37 PM
For sure... Did you read the thread? It'll be on Fantrax and I'm guessing a $30 entry fee each year.

hairnova
02-13-2013, 10:38 PM
Yep, I've been reading along.

Habspatrol
02-14-2013, 08:14 PM
So what are we doing to get this happening?

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2013, 08:20 PM
We need to get more people...we probably need to see what Fergy get in terms of his guys...or get PMing people in theHockey fantrax leage

Deckie007
02-14-2013, 08:46 PM
I sent PMs to all managers in the NHL league that haven't posted in this thread, with the exception of Zeke....his inbox is full.

Habspatrol
02-14-2013, 08:47 PM
I'll text zeke.

Blueman
02-14-2013, 09:11 PM
Quick Q - Daily or weekly updates?

Habspatrol
02-14-2013, 09:16 PM
Weekly, I think he said that in post #1.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2013, 09:17 PM
I would imagien MLB should be daily...but i'm open to weekly....you can just have an extra SP slot so you play all your guys.

The Green Hornet
02-14-2013, 09:21 PM
i'm kinda interested but then i start thinkking about the prospect side of it and i lose interest. given the amount of time it takes your typical prospect to develop and the sheer depth of the minor league systems i don't see how a mere 15 prospect spots is going to work. if you have a 5 round draft every year how are you ever going to hold onto any of them long enough to develop? then consider the extremely high bust rate of them and how much if any value are draft picks even going to have? unless given a very deep prospect pool for each team im thinking the free agent lists is going to be a more important way of adding to your minor leagues then the yearly draft itself

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2013, 09:31 PM
i'm kinda interested but then i start thinkking about the prospect side of it and i lose interest. given the amount of time it takes your typical prospect to develop and the sheer depth of the minor league systems i don't see how a mere 15 prospect spots is going to work. if you have a 5 round draft every year how are you ever going to hold onto any of them long enough to develop? then consider the extremely high bust rate of them and how much if any value are draft picks even going to have? unless given a very deep prospect pool for each team im thinking the free agent lists is going to be a more important way of adding to your minor leagues then the yearly draft itself

We've discussed expanding the prospect pool for teams by 5 each year....and prospects that fell under the radar and went undrafted in year one, but have nice years could make for nice draft picks in year 2

Habspatrol
02-14-2013, 09:33 PM
I bet a lot of the best prospects will be added via free agency. I think that 25 prospects is the right number.
How about 25 prospect spots? We could just do 30 rounds. That's 25 roster players and 5 prospects. Then you fill the remaining 20 prospect spots via waivers/free agency.

That would really cut down on the length of the draft, and really, after 100 or more prospects are gone we're getting pretty deep and the draft will likely be going very slow.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2013, 09:52 PM
I bet a lot of the best prospects will be added via free agency. I think that 25 prospects is the right number.
How about 25 prospect spots? We could just do 30 rounds. That's 25 roster players and 5 prospects. Then you fill the remaining 20 prospect spots via waivers/free agency.

That would really cut down on the length of the draft, and really, after 100 or more prospects are gone we're getting pretty deep and the draft will likely be going very slow.

Why cant it be just 30 rounds...and we can allocate our picks how we want?...and tackle waivers/free agency for the remainign 25 man if we want too?

Habspatrol
02-14-2013, 09:54 PM
Why cant it be just 30 rounds...and we can allocate our picks how we want?...and tackle waivers/free agency for the remainign 25 man if we want too?

Of course you can pick whoever you want. I just assume that most people will fill their 25 roster spots first, but yeah... you can draft more than 5 prospects if you like.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2013, 09:56 PM
Of course you can pick whoever you want. I just assume that most people will fill their 25 roster spots first, but yeah... you can draft more than 5 prospects if you like.

Just wanted to be clear...i mean near the end there might be a prospect one finds more value in taking then grabbing Ben Fransisco as a bench bat.

Deckie007
02-16-2013, 12:38 PM
Alright, we're losing momentum in this...we need to get going or we'll never get it done. I'm going to start emailing invitations. Fergy needs to get his boys registered.

Habspatrol
02-16-2013, 12:41 PM
I asked Fergy and he said that he's waiting to hear back from a couple.

Deckie007
02-16-2013, 12:52 PM
Invites sent via PM to all that said they were in.

Habspatrol
02-16-2013, 12:58 PM
Sweet, I'm in.
I know a few other people who I think might join. Should I contact them right away or give it a few days?

Did we ever decide on the entry fee? $30?

MyNameIsJonas
02-16-2013, 02:04 PM
I'm in gents...i had a guy...but he deemed it too much work for a board he'd never post at ( doesnt follow hockey)...so he declined.

hairnova
02-16-2013, 02:07 PM
Joined.

fergy57
02-16-2013, 05:21 PM
I'll be talking to some of my buddies about it tonight, so should get a better idea of how interested they are tonight.

MyNameIsJonas
02-17-2013, 10:05 PM
we seem to be at a standstill

Habspatrol
02-18-2013, 12:22 AM
Yeah and if we don't get going soon we won;t have time to do a full draft.

MindzEye
02-18-2013, 11:52 AM
Yeah and if we don't get going soon we won;t have time to do a full draft.


Almost time to hit facebook and take applications gentlemen

axlsalinger
02-18-2013, 05:22 PM
How many people do we have confirmed? We can also discuss the exact # of teams we would like. Seems like 20 is pretty close to ideal for this type of league. What is our minimum? Should we have a number like 15 or 16 in mind in case we don't get up to 20?

We don't want to have to try and convince people who aren't all that interested and may not end up being fully committed, but I'll send out a quick email to the league just in case we can entice a couple more people to join. At that point, guys can start double-checking with friends, and we could also put up a post somewhere like maybe the Fantasy Baseball Cafe Classifieds or something.

Habspatrol
02-18-2013, 05:29 PM
20 is ideal... I think we need at least 16, but 20 is definitely what we should shoot for.

Deckie007
02-18-2013, 05:33 PM
How about Cheech? He's in a baseball league with a bunch of us and seems to be a good manager.

Habspatrol
02-18-2013, 05:35 PM
I'll ask him... he seems busy these days but you never know.

axlsalinger
02-18-2013, 05:39 PM
I was thinking we could put up a thread there, maybe Falcons would be interested?

Deckie007
02-18-2013, 05:44 PM
Sure, I'll put one up on my board Axl.

Habspatrol
02-18-2013, 05:44 PM
Go for it... someone may be interested. Someone like Pazz or Jabatchi may join too.

axlsalinger
02-18-2013, 05:47 PM
Just make it clear that it's a deep keeper league, so they need to be committed.

Deckie007
02-18-2013, 06:12 PM
Yup...and I updated the first post with the scoring as I've set it.

axlsalinger
02-18-2013, 06:22 PM
Any chance HP and Montana could each take on their own teams?

Deckie007
02-18-2013, 06:26 PM
http://mentalhealthnews.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/separation.jpg

Separation Anxiety

Habspatrol
02-18-2013, 06:30 PM
Any chance HP and Montana could each take on their own teams?

I would but from what Montana says he wouldn't have time to run a team.

MyNameIsJonas
02-18-2013, 07:00 PM
I would be willing to go with 14 minimum...if we are talking bottom lines.

I'd like to get it going as soon as possible though either way.

fergy57
02-18-2013, 07:20 PM
Feedback I'm getting from my friends is 2 things.

1. They aren't that committed
2. They don't like the fact that there is not a phone app with Fantrax.

Habspatrol
02-18-2013, 08:21 PM
Feedback I'm getting from my friends is 2 things.

1. They aren't that committed
2. They don't like the fact that there is not a phone app with Fantrax.

There is an app... but if they aren't committed enough that an app is making the difference then it's probably not the league for them.

Deckie007
02-18-2013, 08:56 PM
Hmm...I really don't know any more people to invite. I guess we'll have to pull the plug if we aren't at 16 by next weekend.

MyNameIsJonas
02-19-2013, 02:05 AM
I cant speak for the rest of you...but i'm cool going with the 9 or 10 we have if no one else joins.

JaysCyYoung
02-19-2013, 01:27 PM
I'd be fine with that as well.

Blueman
02-19-2013, 02:40 PM
I would be willing to go with 14 minimum...if we are talking bottom lines.

I'd like to get it going as soon as possible though either way.




I cant speak for the rest of you...but i'm cool going with the 9 or 10 we have if no one else joins.

Am I the only one who found this amusing?

JaysCyYoung
02-19-2013, 02:52 PM
I'm fine with ten people or so. Would ideally like twelve or fourteen participants, but ten wouldn't be a deal-breaker for myself either.

MyNameIsJonas
02-19-2013, 05:15 PM
When i wrote the first part i ddnt forsee no one else signing up.

I'm good with whatever.

Habspatrol
02-20-2013, 06:19 PM
Not looking good.

MyNameIsJonas
02-20-2013, 06:44 PM
No...no it is not.

axlsalinger
02-20-2013, 08:03 PM
Fantasy Baseball Cafe Classifieds.

Cheech
02-21-2013, 07:16 PM
I'd be interested in joining. How many teams are there so far?

Habspatrol
02-21-2013, 07:19 PM
I think with you we might have 10... if you know anyone else that might be interested, invite them.

MyNameIsJonas
02-21-2013, 07:22 PM
10 in theory can work....deep enough rosters, which we can always expand as well.

Habspatrol
02-21-2013, 07:24 PM
It would be a shame to not have 20 but that doesn't look likely.

fergy57
02-21-2013, 07:25 PM
I just signed up, sounds like maybe only 1 of my buddies is interested, I'll try to get him to confirm tonight.

Habspatrol
02-21-2013, 07:29 PM
I just PMd Drewser too. He would be an awesome addition, really good fantasy baseball manager.

I think Cheech makes 11 and Fergy's friend makes 12... hopefully get it up to at least 14.

fergy57
02-21-2013, 07:37 PM
Got 1 more that might be jumping in last minute.

My other buddy that confirmed is gonna be at the leafs game tonight, so I can't get him signed up tonight.

Habspatrol
02-21-2013, 07:44 PM
Awesome... a little momentum.

fergy57
02-21-2013, 08:06 PM
Sounds like he is in too, I will try to get both of em signed up on the weekend.

MyNameIsJonas
02-21-2013, 08:08 PM
We could be on track to start the draft Monday if Fergy's guys make 14.

Cheech
02-21-2013, 11:59 PM
What site is it on? I need to sign up

Habspatrol
02-22-2013, 12:37 AM
http://www4.fantrax.com/MLB/home.go

Cheech
02-22-2013, 12:43 AM
So I made an account on fantrax, how do I join the league? My user is Stewie1860

axlsalinger
02-22-2013, 04:47 AM
I'm thinking for this type of league, it'd be real nice to have at least 14 teams. 20 would be great, but I think it would be an excellent league with 14 knowledgeable, committed managers.

Deckie007
02-22-2013, 04:47 AM
So I made an account on fantrax, how do I join the league? My user is Stewie1860

Sent you the instructions, Chuckles :)

Habspatrol
02-22-2013, 08:37 AM
Like 4 hours too late, as usual. I took care of it.

Deckie007
02-22-2013, 03:19 PM
Like 4 hours too late, as usual. I took care of it.

Yeah, I was too busy working an effing twelve hour midnight shift. Stupid trucking.

Habspatrol
02-22-2013, 03:23 PM
Yuck... Luckily we only work days. Although we do haul some pretty long hours.

MyNameIsJonas
02-25-2013, 05:09 PM
I'm guessing this league is dead, that's a shame.

For anyone interested im running a non keeper MLB league on Yahoo with a few members on the board ( Matrim, Montana, Axl, HP) as well as some friends.

We could be approaching 20 people or so for this

I have a few spots to fill so if anyone else is interested please PM me.

Habspatrol
02-25-2013, 09:12 PM
I'm bummed about this league not working. Seems that even a lot of the people who said they'd be in aren't that interested.

MyNameIsJonas
02-25-2013, 09:23 PM
me too

axlsalinger
02-25-2013, 09:32 PM
I figure most people who said they'd be in, are just waiting for the details to be finalized. What number did we reach, somewhere around 10?

Habspatrol
02-25-2013, 09:39 PM
12 I think.

axlsalinger
02-25-2013, 09:54 PM
I'm going to see if I can drum up some business.

Hopefully Deckie can post a list of the full # of confirmed participants, so we know exactly how many we've got confirmed.

axlsalinger
02-25-2013, 09:55 PM
Regarding the scoring, are the scoring points listed in the very first post the final list? Are we all happy with that? Anything need to be addressed, or is it ready to go?

Habspatrol
02-25-2013, 09:56 PM
I'm going to see if I can drum up some business.

Hopefully Deckie can post a list of the full # of confirmed participants, so we know exactly how many we've got confirmed.

First post.

Habspatrol
02-25-2013, 09:59 PM
Yeah the scoring looks good imo.

BuffloSoldier
02-27-2013, 03:12 PM
Hi--my name is Aris, and I'd like to join in--and I'll be the fox in the Leafs henhouse (Sabres fan here). Looking forward to getting things started.

axlsalinger
02-27-2013, 03:31 PM
Welcome aboard, thanks for joining!

axlsalinger
02-27-2013, 03:33 PM
Fergy, did any of your friends ever get close to joining? Has anyone heard from Zeke? He'd be a natural in this league. Let's see if we can get up to at least 14 teams by the end of February. Either way, we should get the ball rolling in March.

axlsalinger
02-27-2013, 03:35 PM
For Bufflo, not sure if you've used Fantrax before but it's a pretty good site with some great features. The commish for this league will actually be Deckie, he can hook you up with the login information. It might be listed somewhere in this thread. Check the first post, first page for the stats list.

Any questions, feel free to ask!

BuffloSoldier
02-27-2013, 04:27 PM
I'm definitely familiar with FanTrax, used it for a couple of baseball leagues last year. Hoping they finally come through with a iOS app like they've been promising for about a year.

Deckie007
02-27-2013, 04:31 PM
I'm definitely familiar with FanTrax, used it for a couple of baseball leagues last year. Hoping they finally come through with a iOS app like they've been promising for about a year.

Perfect. Just sent you the info. Welcome.

BuffloSoldier
02-27-2013, 04:46 PM
Can the newb make a suggestion when it comes to the draft itself?

I've been involved with "from scratch" dynasty baseball leagues, and I think the best option is the following.

Two separate drafts.

First, the MLB level. Anyone is eligible as long as they have played MORE than X games/pitched MORE than X IP. So guys, say, like Machado are available but Profar or Bundy are not.

Then the MiLB level. Opposite draft order of the MLB draft. Only players eligible are the guys under the X number.

BuffloSoldier
02-27-2013, 04:48 PM
And it seems I've made 12. I'm all for the belief bigger is better and try to hold off on closing the league off (aka starting the draft) as long as possible.

I can try to recruit if you wouldn't mind a few more newbies in your midst.

Might also help to bump the thread I got sucked into at the Cafe, axel.

Deckie007
02-27-2013, 04:49 PM
Plan is:

- Start draft on Friday night on this board...can we get a subforum?
- 30 round draft (25 man MLB roster + 5 minor league spots)
- 8hr clock
- Draft order.....Habspatrol can you do a lotto for one?

axlsalinger
02-27-2013, 04:52 PM
Can the newb make a suggestion when it comes to the draft itself?

I've been involved with "from scratch" dynasty baseball leagues, and I think the best option is the following.

Two separate drafts.

First, the MLB level. Anyone is eligible as long as they have played MORE than X games/pitched MORE than X IP. So guys, say, like Machado are available but Profar or Bundy are not.

Then the MiLB level. Opposite draft order of the MLB draft. Only players eligible are the guys under the X number.

I was thinking about that myself. It is kind of annoying to have to worry about minor-league players in the major league draft. It does add an element of strategy into the proceedings, but it may make sense to do them both separately. However, we really do have to worry about time constraints, these things tend to get bogged down a bit in the later rounds. Definitely worth discussing, though.

Other thing is that I've always enjoyed leagues more that have additional active spots (MI for Middle Infielder, CI for Corner Infielder, 5 outfields spots, UTIL, etc.) Now this league is a little bit different due to being so deep. Are the suggested starting lineup positions sufficient, or should we consider any additions?

Guess we will also need to finalize all the loose ends. Are we going with a $10 entry fee to start out with? What should it be next year? Etc. Need to get everyone weighing in with your opinions. What else do we need to decide?

BuffloSoldier
02-27-2013, 04:53 PM
Axel--somebody on the Cafe thread wanted in, left their email address.

axlsalinger
02-27-2013, 04:54 PM
We should definitely wait until we have at least 14 teams, but due to the time constraints it's a good idea for Deckie to get things organized so that we're ready to roll with a day's notice.

axlsalinger
02-27-2013, 04:56 PM
Axel--somebody on the Cafe thread wanted in, left their email address.

I sent that person an email, and they emailed me back this morning with a few questions which I answered. There was one other pm inquiry as well. Hopefully they find their way here and are interested in joining.

BuffloSoldier
02-27-2013, 04:59 PM
Do you guys want me to recruit from other leagues of mine? Honestly, with the low entry fee and the new car smell at Year 1, I wouldn't be surprised if I could get a handful from other dynasty leagues.

axlsalinger
02-27-2013, 05:01 PM
I don't think anyone would have an issue. We had initially thought about going with 20 teams, which would still be fine. Although I'm perfectly happy settling in at the 14-16 range.

BuffloSoldier
02-27-2013, 05:01 PM
Alright. Let me send out a bulk email or two.

Habspatrol
02-27-2013, 05:29 PM
Fergy, did any of your friends ever get close to joining? Has anyone heard from Zeke? He'd be a natural in this league. Let's see if we can get up to at least 14 teams by the end of February. Either way, we should get the ball rolling in March.

I asked zeke and he said no.