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zeke
10-13-2013, 01:23 AM
C T.Bozak (27): 54gms, 18gls, 46pts, 57ht, 40bk, 20:5 (82gms, 27gls, 70pts, 87ht, 61bk) - 48.7fo%
C J.Spezza (30): 70gms, 19gls, 61pts, 17ht, 24bk, 18:17 (82gms, 22gls, 72pts, 20ht, 28bk) - 54.5fo%
C D.Desharnais (27): 75gms, 16gls, 51pts, 21ht, 33bk, 17:02 (82gms, 18gls, 56pts, 23ht, 36bk) - 50.8fo%

W P.Kessel (26): 78gms, 36gls, 79pts, 24ht, 29bk, 20:34 (82gms, 38gls, 83pts, 25ht, 31bk)
W C.MacArthur (28): 74gms, 24gls, 54pts, 106ht, 19bk, 17:41 (82gms, 27gls, 60pts, 118ht, 21bk)
W T.Vanek (29): 74gms, 27gls, 67pts, 27ht, 17bk, 19:16 (82gms, 30gls, 74pts, 30ht, 19bk

W J.VanRyk (24): 76gms, 30gls, 59pts, 114ht, 26bk, 20:56 (82gms, 32gls, 64pts, 123ht, 28bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 70gms, 23gls, 48pts, 104ht, 30bk, 16:52 (82gms, 27gls, 56pts, 122ht, 35bk)
W M.Pacioretty (25): 69gms, 38gls, 59pts, 69ht, 29bk, 18:21 (82gms, 45gls, 70pts, 82ht, 35bk


C N.Kadri (23): 74gms, 19gls, 49pts, 139ht, 31bk, 17:23 (82gms, 21gls, 54pts, 154ht, 34bk) - 45.8fo%
C K.Turris (24): 77gms, 25gls, 56pts, 44ht, 33bk, 18:46 (82gms, 27gls, 60pts, 47ht, 35bk) - 50.4fo%
C T.Plekanec (31): 77gms, 20gls, 42pts, 44ht, 42bk, 19:48 (82gms, 21gls, 45pts, 47ht, 45bk) - 48.0fo%

W J.Lupul (30): 68gms, 22gls, 44pts, 118ht, 35bk, 18:32 (82gms, 27gls, 53pts, 142ht, 42bk)
W A.Hemsky (30): 70gms, 12gls, 39pts, 36ht, 30bk, 15:59 (82gms, 14gls, 46pts, 42ht, 35bk)
W B.Gallagher (21): 77gms, 19gls, 40pts, 38ht, 35bk, 16:06 (82gms, 20gls, 43pts, 41ht, 37bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 78gms, 19gls, 45pts, 37ht, 22bk, 17:14 (82gms, 20gls, 47pts, 39ht, 23bk)
W M.Michalek (29): 77gms, 17gls, 38pts, 83ht, 29bk, 17:35 (82gms, 15gls, 41pts, 88ht, 31bk)
W A.Galy (19): 63gms, 12gls, 30pts, 47ht, 25bk, 14:36 (82gms, 18gls, 39pts, 61ht, 33bk)


C D.Bolland (27): 22gms, 8gls, 12pts, 35ht, 12bk, 14:42 (82gms, 30gls, 45pts, 131ht, 45bk) - 45.4fo%
C M.Zibanejad (20): 66gms, 15gls, 31pts, 115ht, 27bk, 14:25 (82gms, 19gls, 39pts, 143ht, 34bk) - 46.3fo%
C D.Briere (36): 65gms, 13gls, 25pts, 23ht, 11bk, 12:45 (82gms, 16gls, 32pts, 29ht, 14bk) - 48.1fo%

W N.Kulemin (27): 66gms, 9gls, 20pts, 143ht, 61bk, 16:17 (82gms, 11gls, 25pts, 178ht, 76bk)
W C.Greening (27): 73gms, 6gls, 17pts, 215ht, 30bk, 13:47 (82gms, 7gls, 19pts, 242ht, 34bk)
W B.Gionta (35): 77gms, 15gls, 37pts, 46ht, 50bk, 17:49 (82gms, 16gls, 39pts, 50ht, 53bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 56gms, 5gls, 11pts, 147ht, 33bk, 15:06 (82gms, 7gls, 16pts, 215ht, 48bk)
W E.Condra (27): 71gms, 6gls, 15pts, 25ht, 41bk, 11:24 (82gms, 7gls, 17pts, 29ht, 47bk)
W R.Bourque (32): 59gms, 9gls, 15pts, 83ht, 14bk, 14:14 (82gms, 13gls, 21pts, 115ht, 20bk)


C J.McClem (30): 77gms, 4gls, 10pts, 137ht, 57bk, 14:54 (82gms, 4gls, 11pts, 146ht, 61bk) - 53.6fo%
C Z.Smith (25): 77gms, 13gls, 21pts, 170ht, 25bk, 15:26 (82gms, 14gls, 22pts, 181ht, 27bk) - 52.3fo%
C L.Eller (24): 76gms, 12gls, 24pts, 130ht, 58bk, 15:57 (82gms, 13gls, 26pts, 140ht, 63bk) - 53.1fo%

W T.Bodie (28): 43gms, 3gls, 10pts, 55ht, 16bk, 8:21 (82gms, 6gls, 19pts, 105ht, 31bk)
W C.Neil (34): 71gms, 8gls, 14pts, 238ht, 15bk, 11:44 (82gms, 9gls, 16pts, 275ht, 17bk)
W B.Prust (29): 52gms, 6gls, 13pts, 92ht, 35bk, 12:49 (82gms, 8gls, 18pts, 145ht, 55bk)

W C.Orr (31): 51gms, 0gls, 0pts, 102ht, 8bk, 5:20 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 13bk)
W M.Kassian (27): 32gms, 0gls, 1pts, 52ht, 3bk, 4:24 (82gms, 0gls, 3pts, 133ht, 8bk)
W D.Weise (25): 58gms, 5gls, 15pts, 98ht, 23bk, 8:11 (82gms, 7gls, 21pts, 139ht, 33bk)


C P.Holland (22): 42gms, 6gls, 11pts, 44ht, 21bk, 11:16 (82gms, 12gls, 22pts, 86ht, 41bk) - 45.7fo%
C M.Hoffman (24): 21gms, 2gls, 4pts, 12ht, 5bk, 13:06 (82gms, 8gls, 16pts, 47ht, 20bk) - 57.1fo%
C R.White (25): 48gms, 2gls, 5pts, 83ht, 31bk, 9:50 (82gms, 3gls, 9pts, 142ht, 53bk) - 50.1fo%

W J.D'Amigo (22): 21gms, 1gls, 3pts, 23ht, 4bk, 8:11 (82gms, 4gls, 12pts, 90ht, 16bk)
W M.Stone (21): 14gms, 2gls, 6pts, 8ht, 5bk, 14:26 (82gms, 12gls, 35pts, 47ht, 29bk)
W T.Moen (31): 65gms, 2gls, 12pts, 92ht, 54bk, 11:31 (82gms, 3gls, 15pts, 116ht, 68bk)


C T.Smith (28): 27gms, 4gls, 9pts, 45ht, 16bk, 10:27 (82gms, 12gls, 27pts, 137ht, 49bk) - 44.9fo%
C S.DaCosta (24): 12gms, 3gls, 4pts, 14ht, 3bk, 10:24 (82gms, 21gls, 27pts, 96ht, 21bk) - 40.5fo%
C L.Leblanc (22): 8gms, 0gls, 0pts, 3ht, 7bk, 9:52 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 31ht, 72bk)

W C.Ashton (22): 31gms, 0gls, 3pts, 43ht, 7bk, 6:04 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts, 114ht, 19bk)
W J.Pageau (21): 24gms, 2gls, 2pts, 35ht, 8bk, 9:58 (82gms, 7gls, 7pts, 120ht, 27bk)
W M.Bournival (21): 56gms, 6gls, 13pts, 65ht, 39bk, 10:22 (82gms, 9gls, 19pts, 95ht, 57bk)

W F.McLaren (26): 27gms, 0gls, 0pts, 24ht, 3bk, 4:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 73ht, 9bk)
W D.Grant (23): 20gms, 0gls, 2pts, 32ht, 11bk, 9:33 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts, 131ht, 45bk)
W G.Parros (34): 21gms, 0gls, 1pts, 14ht, 4bk, 4:39 (82gms, 0gls, 4pts, 55ht, 16bk)





D D.Phaneuf (28): 76gms, 8gls, 31pts, 217ht, 143bk, 23:46 (82gms, 9gls, 34pts, 234ht, 154bk)
D E.Karlsson (23): 77gms, 20gls, 70pts, 120ht, 96bk, 27:07 (82gms, 21gls, 75pts, 128ht, 102bk)
D P.K.Subban (24): 78gms, 10gls, 53pts, 129ht, 116bk, 24:43 (82gms, 11gls, 56pts, 136ht, 122bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 76gms, 10gls, 29pts, 101ht, 82bk, 20:57 (82gms, 11gls, 31pts, 109ht, 89bk)
D M.Methot (28): 70gms, 6gls, 21pts, 173ht, 102bk, 21:39 (82gms, 7gls, 25pts, 203ht, 120bk)
D A.Markov (35): 78gms, 7gls, 43pts, 46ht, 176bk, 25:08 (82gms, 7gls, 45pts, 48ht, 185bk)


D C.Franson (26): 75gms, 5gls, 33pts, 274ht, 107bk, 20:48 (82gms, 6gls, 36pts, 300ht, 117bk)
D J.Cowen (22): 68gms, 6gls, 15pts, 214ht, 99bk, 20:30 (82gms, 7gls, 18pts, 258ht, 119bk)
D J.Gorges (29): 63gms, 1gls, 13pts, 86ht, 173bk, 21:13 (82gms, 1gls, 17pts, 112ht, 225bk)

D C.Gunnar (27): 77gms, 3gls, 17pts, 160ht, 173bk, 19:38 (82gms, 3gls, 18pts, 170ht, 184bk)
D C.Phillips (35): 65gms, 1gls, 14pts, 133ht, 90bk, 19:14 (82gms, 1gls, 18pts, 168ht, 114bk)
D A.Emelin (27): 56gms, 3gls, 16pts, 178ht, 115bk, 19:03 (82gms, 4gls, 23pts, 261ht, 168bk)


D M.Rielly (19): 69gms, 2gls, 27pts, 92ht, 86bk, 17:35 (82gms, 2gls, 32pts, 109ht, 102bk)
D C.Ceci (20): 44gms, 3gls, 8pts, 40ht, 43bk, 17:08 (82gms, 6gls, 15pts, 75ht, 80bk)
D M.Weaver (35): 68gms, 1gls, 12pts, 119ht, 118bk, 18:30 (82gms, 1gls, 15pts, 144ht, 142bk)

D P.Ranger (29): 50gms, 5gls, 13pts, 108ht, 71bk, 17:28 (82gms, 7gls, 21pts, 177ht, 116bk)
D E.Gryba (25): 52gms, 2gls, 11pts, 150ht, 55bk, 17:36 (82gms, 3gls, 17pts, 237ht, 87bk)
D F.Bouillon (38): 49gms, 1gls, 5pts, 76ht, 65bk, 17:45 (82gms, 2gls, 8pts, 127ht, 109bk)


D T.Gleason (30): 52gms, 1gls, 6pts, 149ht, 82bk, 16:45 (82gms, 2gls, 10pts, 235ht, 129bk)
D P.Wiercioch (23): 48gms, 4gls, 22pts, 50ht, 47bk, 16:13 (82gms, 7gls, 38pts, 85ht, 80bk)
D D.Murray (33): 52gms, 0gls, 2pts, 143ht, 114bk, 14:30 (82gms, 0gls, 3pts, 226ht, 180bk)

D T.Brennan (24): ------- (-------)
D J.Corvo (36): 25gms, 3gls, 10pts, 15ht, 24bk, 17:31 (82gms, 10gls, 33pts, 49ht, 79bk)
D J.Tinordi (21): 20gms, 0gls, 0pts, 38ht, 24bk, 14:15 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 156ht, 98bk)





G J.Bernier (25): 55gms, 26-19-7, 2.68gaa, 1so, .923sv%
G C.Anderson (32): 51gms, 23-16-8, 3.10gaa, 3so, .907sv%
G C.Price (26): 56gms, 32-19-5, 2.36gaa, 5so, .925sv%

G J.Reimer (25): 33gms, 12-13-1, 3.39gaa, 1so, .908sv%
G R.Lehner (22): 33gms, 9-15-6, 3.22gaa, 1so, .909sv%
G P.Budaj (31): 23gms, 10-8-2, 2.49gaa, 1so, .910sv%

G D.McIntyre (30): 1gms, 0-0-0, 0.00gaa, 0so, 1.000sv%
G A.Hammond (25): 1gms, 0-0-0, 0.00gaa, 0so, 1.000sv%
G D.Tokarski (24): 3gms, 2-0-0, 1.84gaa, 1so, .946sv%

JohnnyHolmes
10-13-2013, 09:36 AM
So how long is KB banned for?

Killer93
10-13-2013, 10:11 AM
Not gonna lie; like what Habs are doing and how Galchenyuk has performed; steal of a pick at #3

Habsy
10-13-2013, 10:26 AM
Kid should have gone #1 overall. So glad two retarded organizations picked ahead of the Habs.

Habsy
10-13-2013, 10:29 AM
Zeke, you're missing Beaulieu for the Habs.

CH1
10-13-2013, 11:20 AM
Kid should have gone #1 overall. So glad two retarded organizations picked ahead of the Habs.

serious knee injury was a huge factor

zeke
10-13-2013, 12:42 PM
Zeke, you're missing Beaulieu for the Habs.

Yeah i didn't include bealieu and drewiske for the habs, or smith, abbott, and devane for the leafs.....just too many solo add-ons that made the list even uglier...i decided to include only the names that were either guaranteed regulars or had played more than one game for now.

UWHabs
10-13-2013, 01:17 PM
Prob makes sense to put Bouillon-Tinordi in the 5-6 slot, at least until Murray and Emelin are back.

Otherwise, PK > Karlsson.

Habsy
10-13-2013, 04:11 PM
Probably makes sense to boot Bouillon to the curb. I just don't know why they keep re-signing that guy.

Habsy
10-13-2013, 04:12 PM
Yeah i didn't include bealieu and drewiske for the habs, or smith, abbott, and devane for the leafs.....just too many solo add-ons that made the list even uglier...i decided to include only the names that were either guaranteed regulars or had played more than one game for now.

Fair enough.

SENSible
10-13-2013, 04:49 PM
Otherwise, PK > Karlsson.

He has been to this point in the season.

LeafGm
10-13-2013, 05:05 PM
Probably makes sense to boot Bouillon to the curb. I just don't know why they keep re-signing that guy.
A desperate need on the part of Habs management to ice as many guys with French names as possible?

CH1
10-13-2013, 05:15 PM
A desperate need on the part of Habs management to ice as many guys with French names as possible?

Coach's pet installed last season, along with Colby Armstrong.

Habsy
10-14-2013, 07:09 PM
So what's the deal with Hot Karl anyway? Hasn't been dominating the league. You know, the other players so far beneath him.

hockeylover
10-14-2013, 07:10 PM
So what's the deal with Hot Karl anyway? Hasn't been dominating the league. You know, the other players so far beneath him.

He's really sucked defensively thus far in the games I've seen.

corksens
10-14-2013, 07:11 PM
The team is just pinned. Can't move.

The west is bigger, tougher and faster...at least the three teams we've played so far.

Habspatrol
10-14-2013, 08:28 PM
He's really sucked defensively thus far in the games I've seen.
That's the only part of his game that is the same as normal.

JaysCyYoung
10-14-2013, 09:13 PM
The team is just pinned. Can't move.

The west is bigger, tougher and faster...at least the three teams we've played so far.

Given how immobile your defence is beyond EK are you really that shocked? We told you this would be an issue for months.

Habsy
10-14-2013, 10:16 PM
He's really sucked defensively thus far in the games I've seen.

You don't say? Who would have thought it?

:sarcasm

Habsy
10-14-2013, 10:17 PM
The team is just pinned. Can't move.

The west is bigger, tougher and faster...at least the three teams we've played so far.

Unpossible. Not for the greatest defenseman since Bobby Orr!

SENSible
10-14-2013, 10:20 PM
That's the only part of his game that is the same as normal.

You are an idiot

Deckie007
10-14-2013, 10:23 PM
You are an idiot

He's a smarter idiot than you.

Habspatrol
10-14-2013, 10:30 PM
Awww shucks. :blushing:

Deckie007
10-14-2013, 10:34 PM
I got your back, Jack.

MindzEye
10-14-2013, 11:23 PM
He's really sucked defensively thus far in the games I've seen.

He was turrible against us. Like inexcusably turrible.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/10/109146/2333835-turrible.jpg

Haven't seen much at all since (watched a bit of the Ducks & Sharks games) but he looked pedestrian as well, I only caught 10-15 minutes of each game though, so hard to make an overall judgement from that.

Caught the whole Leaf-Sens game though and any time the puck wasn't on his stick, he pretty much sucked.

IrishWolfman
10-14-2013, 11:28 PM
He's a smarter idiot than you.

3307

blacksheep
10-14-2013, 11:37 PM
You are an idiot

Until KB returns, that idiot crown is yours, SENSless.

mbow30
10-14-2013, 11:44 PM
one thing i noticed in the leafs game was that 3-4 times in the game he turned the puck over trying to head man it up the right side with back-hand passes.

made me wonder if teams picked up on the fact that he's a bit weak on the weak side, and are clogging up the middle and left side to force the puck up the right wing whenever he has it.

it was the same thing every time, too. short, quick up passes on the back hand, and all of them were way in front of the target, and ended up on the leafs' sicks.

IrishWolfman
10-15-2013, 12:54 AM
one thing i noticed in the leafs game was that 3-4 times in the game he turned the puck over trying to head man it up the right side with back-hand passes.

made me wonder if teams picked up on the fact that he's a bit weak on the weak side, and are clogging up the middle and left side to force the puck up the right wing whenever he has it.

it was the same thing every time, too. short, quick up passes on the back hand, and all of them were way in front of the target, and ended up on the leafs' sicks.

He's a smallish defenseman who doesn't like contact. No one should be shocked that, if you put physical pressure on him, he's going to make hasty decisions to avoid physical contact.

Keep him to the weak side and finish every check.

SENSible
10-15-2013, 10:16 AM
They've played two terrible teams in both instances of back to back games.

The leafs have played one back to back game this season.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-15-2013, 10:18 AM
The leafs have played one back to back game this season.

They've played one, and the team has faced one.

SENSible
10-15-2013, 10:23 AM
They've played one, and the team has faced one.

Until tonight, when they will have played their second opponent on the back end of a back to back, while they are at home rested.

MindzEye
10-15-2013, 10:26 AM
Yeah, and then it takes a whole 10 days until we play our next back to back, with Pittsburgh being the back end of that.

#Conspiracy!

Wayward DP
10-15-2013, 10:28 AM
So, to summarize, the following forces are all conspiring against the Senators success this season: the schedule, the refs, Spezza's groin. Did I miss anything?

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-15-2013, 10:31 AM
Until tonight, when they will have played their second opponent on the back end of a back to back, while they are at home rested.

The Leafs will face 3 back to back situations of their own in October. Nothing about their schedule in unusual.

You just aren't smart.

zeke
10-15-2013, 10:51 AM
really is a perfect storm for Karlsson this year.

He had that unsustainably great year in 11-12.

Then he had a major injury which would only make his regression worse.

But, at the same time, him not playing for pretty much a whole year helped build the legend of Hot Karl - all his youngish mistakes were forgotten, and suddenly his great offensive year became this studly all-world hall of fame performance for the ages.

Really set him up nicely for some hugetime dissappointment this year.

corksens
10-15-2013, 11:45 AM
really is a perfect storm for Karlsson this year.

He had that unsustainably great year in 11-12.

Then he had a major injury which would only make his regression worse.

But, at the same time, him not playing for pretty much a whole year helped build the legend of Hot Karl - all his youngish mistakes were forgotten, and suddenly his great offensive year became this studly all-world hall of fame performance for the ages.

Really set him up nicely for some hugetime dissappointment this year.His play last year, pre-injury, was outstanding. Right on par with his previous Norris campaign.

The only issue is the set-back due to a severe injury. He's still clearly not 100%. A real shame.

Though I'm not surprised to see that Leaf fans are slowly starting to show their jubilation that our star player has been hindered by injury.

corksens
10-15-2013, 11:46 AM
Stefan Noesen has a torn ACL/MCL in his 2nd AHL game.

Brutal luck for the Ducks considering how recent the trade is.

MindzEye
10-15-2013, 11:52 AM
The only issue is the set-back due to a severe injury. He's still clearly not 100%. A real shame.

I remember when you tore into me for even suggesting that there was a possibility of this occurring.

corksens
10-15-2013, 11:55 AM
I remember when you tore into me for even suggesting that there was a possibility of this occurring.Because you are basing the potential of that happening on hope. You HOPE he doesn't come back 100%.

There is no proof that players don't rebound from that type of injury. Zero. All we do know is that most people suggest it takes a full 12 months to get back to normal.

He's at the 8 month mark.

zeke
10-15-2013, 12:12 PM
So you are sure that players rebound from these injuries just fine, but at the same time will blame the injury for him not repeating his golden year again.

nice.

worm
10-15-2013, 12:15 PM
I believe he is saying this year might be down but next year he will be back to god like status.

corksens
10-15-2013, 12:16 PM
So you are sure that players rebound from these injuries just fine, but at the same time will blame the injury for him not repeating his golden year again.

nice.In 12 months. Yes.

MindzEye
10-15-2013, 12:31 PM
Because you are basing the potential of that happening on hope. You HOPE he doesn't come back 100%.

What you call "hope", I call "common sense". Dude suffered a ****ing gruesome injury.


There is no proof that players don't rebound from that type of injury. Zero. All we do know is that most people suggest it takes a full 12 months to get back to normal.

He's at the 8 month mark.

Heh, you were saying 6 before...

Wayward DP
10-15-2013, 01:24 PM
Yeah, too lazy to look it up cork, but I recall you posting an article where HK himself claims to be "fully recovered" and 100%.

Not to mention all the caterwauling by your whole posse here that his play would be improved from the playoffs because (not if) he was healthy.

But, I'm sure it's just his achilles preventing his ascent to martyrdom.

corksens
10-15-2013, 02:51 PM
Yeah, too lazy to look it up cork, but I recall you posting an article where HK himself claims to be "fully recovered" and 100%.

Not to mention all the caterwauling by your whole posse here that his play would be improved from the playoffs because (not if) he was healthy.

But, I'm sure it's just his achilles preventing his ascent to martyrdom.I never would have said he was 100% because Karlsson himself has been very careful not to use that number.

Bieksa, Selanne - both said it took them a full year to get back to normal.

Wayward DP
10-15-2013, 03:00 PM
I never would have said he was 100% because Karlsson himself has been very careful not to use that number.

Bieksa, Selanne - both said it took them a full year to get back to normal.

I could've sworn HK himself said he was fully recovered, but since I'm too lazy to look it up, I'll take your word on it.

It is a rather convenient scapegoat for his lacklustre start however.

hockeylover
10-15-2013, 03:47 PM
I think we have a good team here. I think we have a good enough team to overcome injuries, back to backs, and bad officiating most nights. Not all nights, but most nights. We can win tonight, even if we're missing a winger on each line. Hope not to hear these kind of excuses made for our team this year.

KingTucker
10-15-2013, 04:29 PM
I think we have a good team here. I think we have a good enough team to overcome injuries, back to backs, and bad officiating most nights. Not all nights, but most nights. We can win tonight, even if we're missing a winger on each line. Hope not to hear these kind of excuses made for our team this year.

No one is making excuses, not among we posters or the players or the media.
You play the cards you're dealt and you move on. The Leafs aren't going to win all their games and they aren't going win all their back to backs, but the important thing is being "in" games and progressing. Once Clarkson and everyone are back we should have a pretty nice top 6. I like us against anyone in the East to be honest.

hockeylover
10-15-2013, 04:32 PM
No one is making excuses, not among we posters or the players or the media.
You play the cards you're dealt and you move on. The Leafs aren't going to win all their games and they aren't going win all their back to backs, but the important thing is being "in" games and progressing. Once Clarkson and everyone are back we should have a pretty nice top 6. I like us against anyone in the East to be honest.

I don't think you were following. When I said "these kind of excuses" I meant the kind of excuses we've been hearing from Sens fans thus far. Back to backs, road trips, penalties, not 100%, etc, etc. I think we have a good team here and good teams overcome that kind of stuff so I hope not to hear that shit from our fans this year.

KingTucker
10-15-2013, 04:32 PM
I could've sworn HK himself said he was fully recovered, but since I'm too lazy to look it up, I'll take your word on it.

It is a rather convenient scapegoat for his lacklustre start however.

"I'm sure I'll be able to skate 100% when season starts", says Erik Karlsson and adds: "this summer been my best so far workoutwise #sens
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ottawa-senators-erik-karlsson-says-hell-be-100-per-cent-ready-for-nhl-season/

KingTucker
10-15-2013, 04:34 PM
I don't think you were following. When I said "these kind of excuses" I meant the kind of excuses we've been hearing from Sens fans thus far. Back to backs, road trips, penalties, not 100%, etc, etc. I think we have a good team here and good teams overcome that kind of stuff so I hope not to hear that shit from our fans this year.

Oh apologies HL. Yeah, I don't think we will. I mean, there will be some caterwauling about calls by refs and such (I know I complain about that for sure) but I think we're pretty even-keeled here.

hockeylover
10-15-2013, 04:38 PM
Oh apologies HL. Yeah, I don't think we will. I mean, there will be some caterwauling about calls by refs and such (I know I complain about that for sure) but I think we're pretty even-keeled here.

Yeah, that's normal. It happens. If you find yourself complaining about the refs nearly every game, your team is probably just playing like shit though.

JohnnyHolmes
10-16-2013, 08:44 AM
2-2-2 while on a tough road trip, and playing like crap...

I'll take it.

KingTucker
10-16-2013, 10:46 AM
2-2-2 while on a tough road trip, and playing like crap...

I'll take it.

And you guys have a pretty soft sked with New Jersey and Edmonton coming up. Should be fine.

corksens
10-16-2013, 11:08 AM
I've got tickets for that afternoon Edmonton game - they better not lay an egg.

Volcanologist
10-16-2013, 01:54 PM
2-2-2 while on a tough road trip, and playing like crap...

I'll take it.

You'll take winning 2 of 6 games? why?

corksens
10-16-2013, 02:31 PM
Because there is more to the story than just "2 wins in 6 games".

zeke
10-16-2013, 02:40 PM
C N.Kadri (23): 7gms, 2gls, 7pts, 10ht, 2bk, 15:27 (82gms, 23gls, 82pts, 117ht, 23bk)
C J.Spezza (30): 5gms, 4gls, 5pts, 5ht, 1bk, 19:07 (82gms, 66gls, 82pts, 82ht, 16bk)
C L.Eller (24): 6gms, 5gls, 7pts, 9ht, 5bk, 17:34 (82gms, 68gls, 96pts, 123ht, 68bk)

W P.Kessel (26): 7gms, 2gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 20:55 (82gms, 23gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 6gms, 3gls, 5pts, 18ht, 1bk, 17:27 (82gms, 41gls, 66pts, 246ht, 14bk)
W A.Galchenyuk (19): 6gms, 1gls, 7pts, 7ht, 4bk, 15:00 (82gms, 14gls, 96pts, 96ht, 55bk)

W J.Lupul (30): 7gms, 5gls, 8pts, 11ht, 3bk, 17:08 (82gms, 59gls, 94pts, 129ht, 35bk)
W M.Michalek (29): 6gms, 1gls, 4pts, 10ht, 3bk, 18:16 (82gms, 14gls, 55pts, 137ht, 41bk)
W B.Gallagher (21): 6gms, 3gls, 5pts, 4ht, 3bk, 14:24 (82gms, 41gls, 68pts, 55ht, 41bk)


C T.Bozak (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 10ht, 7bk, 21:45 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 117ht, 82bk)
C K.Turris (24): 6gms, 1gls, 5pts, 1ht, 3bk, 18:57 (82gms, 14gls, 66pts, 14ht, 41bk)
C T.Plekanec (31): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 6ht, 5bk, 18:06 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 82ht, 68bk)

W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 6gms, 5gls, 6pts, 15ht, 3bk, 21:37 (82gms, 68gls, 82pts, 205ht, 41bk)
W C.Conacher (24): 6gms, 2gls, 2pts, 2ht, 5bk, 14:00 (82gms, 27gls, 27pts, 27ht, 66bk)
W M.Pacioretty (25): 5gms, 2gls, 3pts, 4ht, 5bk, 14:29 (82gms, 33gls, 49pts, 66ht, 82bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
W C.MacArthur (28): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 8ht, 2bk, 17:32 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 109ht, 27bk)
W B.Gionta (35): 5gms, 1gls, 2pts, 2ht, 7bk, 15:59 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts, 33ht, 115bk)


C D.Bolland (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 14ht, 5bk, 16:03 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 164ht, 59bk)
C Z.Smith (25): 6gms, 1gls, 1pts, 9ht, 2bk, 14:19 (82gms, 14gls, 14pts, 123ht, 27bk)
C D.Desharnais (27): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 1ht, 5bk, 15:29 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 14ht, 68bk)

W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W C.Greening (27): 6gms, 0gls, 3pts, 17ht, 2bk, 13:14 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 252ht, 27bk)
W R.Bourque (32): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 6ht, 1bk, 15:44 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 82ht, 14bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 7gms, 4gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 17:16 (82gms, 47gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk)
W E.Condra (27): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 2ht, 6bk, 11:46 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 27ht, 82bk)
W D.Briere (36): 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 4ht, 1bk, 15:29 (82gms, 14gls, 41pts, 55ht, 14bk)


C J.McClement (30): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 10ht, 3bk, 16:01 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 137ht, 41bk)
C J.Pageau (21): 6gms, 1gls, 1pts, 8ht, 1bk, 10:20 (82gms, 14gls, 14pts, 109ht, 14bk)
C B.Prust (29): 6gms, 2gls, 2pts, 5ht, 4bk, 12:07 (82gms, 27gls, 27pts, 68ht, 55bk)

W C.Ashton (22): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 8ht, 1bk, 6:15 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 109ht, 14bk)
W C.Neil (34): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 24ht, 0bk, 11:28 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 328ht, 0bk)
W T.Moen (31): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 6ht, 3bk, 11:30 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 82ht, 41bk)

W C.Orr (31): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 15ht, 0bk, 6:41 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 176ht, 0bk)
W M.Kassian (27): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 3ht, 0bk, 4:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)
W G.Parros (34): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 0bk, 4:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)


C T.Smith (28): 2gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 5:34 (82gms, 41gls, 41pts, 82ht, 41bk)
C S.DaCosta (24): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 2bk, 11:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 41bk)
C R.White (25): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 3bk, 9:14 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 62bk)

W D.Broll (20): 3gms, 0gls, 1pts, 3ht, 2bk, 8:23 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 82ht, 55bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W M.Bournival (21): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 1bk, 7:55 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 27ht, 27bk)

W J.Leivo (20): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 0bk, 11:12 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 109ht, 0bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W ------ (--): ------




D D.Phaneuf (28): 7gms, 1gls, 4pts, 17ht, 15bk, 24:56 (82gms, 12gls, 47pts, 199ht, 176bk)
D E.Karlsson (23): 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 8ht, 8bk, 27:23 (82gms, 14gls, 41pts, 109ht, 109bk)
D P.K.Subban (24): 6gms, 2gls, 8pts, 5ht, 6bk, 24:58 (82gms, 27gls, 109pts, 68ht, 82bk)

D C.Franson (26): 7gms, 0gls, 6pts, 25ht, 15bk, 21:59 (82gms, 0gls, 70pts, 293ht, 176bk)
D M.Methot (28): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 11ht, 5bk, 22:42 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 150ht, 68bk)
D A.Markov (35): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 3ht, 11bk, 24:24 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 41ht, 150bk)


D C.Gunnarsson (27): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 12ht, 17bk, 20:14 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 141ht, 199bk)
D C.Phillips (35): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 14ht, 8bk, 21:22 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 191ht, 109bk)
D J.Gorges (29): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 7ht, 18bk, 20:51 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 96ht, 246bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 11ht, 4bk, 19:20 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 129ht, 47bk)
D P.Wiercioch (23): 6gms, 0gls, 4pts, 5ht, 8bk, 17:24 (82gms, 0gls, 55pts, 68ht, 109bk)
D R.Diaz (28): 6gms, 0gls, 3pts, 2ht, 11bk, 21:00 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 27ht, 150bk)


D P.Ranger (29): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 14ht, 8bk, 20:02 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 94bk)
D J.Cowen (22): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 18ht, 12bk, 18:30 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 246ht, 164bk)
D F.Bouillon (38): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 8ht, 9bk, 16:04 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 109ht, 123bk)

D M.Rielly (19): 5gms, 0gls, 3pts, 8ht, 7bk, 17:31 (82gms, 0gls, 49pts, 131ht, 115bk)
D J.Corvo (36): 3gms, 0gls, 3pts, 0ht, 2bk, 14:36 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 0ht, 55bk)
D N.Beaulieu (21): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 11:07 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 98ht, 115bk)


D M.Fraser (27): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 7ht, 3bk, 12:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 287ht, 123bk)
D E.Gryba (25): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 8ht, 6bk, 16:29 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 219ht, 164bk)
D M.Tinordi (21): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 8ht, 5bk, 13:43 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 103bk)

D ------------- (--): ---
D ------------- (--): ---
D D.Murray (33): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)




G J.Bernier (25): 5gms, 4-1-0, 1.75gaa, 1so, .946sv%
G C.Anderson (32): 5gms, 2-1-2, 3.10gaa, 1so, .916sv%
G C.Price (26): 5gms, 3-2-0, 1.81gaa, 1so, .944sv%

G J.Reimer (25): 2gms, 2-0-0, 3.18gaa, 0so, .916sv%
G R.Lehner (22): 2gms, 0-1-0, 2.64gaa, 0so, .948sv%
G P.Budaj (31): 1gms, 1-0-0, 1.00gaa, 0so, .964sv%

zeke
10-16-2013, 02:50 PM
C N.Kadri (23): 7gms, 2gls, 7pts, 10ht, 2bk, 15:27 (82gms, 23gls, 82pts, 117ht, 23bk)
W P.Kessel (26): 7gms, 2gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 20:55 (82gms, 23gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk)
W J.Lupul (30): 7gms, 5gls, 8pts, 11ht, 3bk, 17:08 (82gms, 59gls, 94pts, 129ht, 35bk)

C T.Bozak (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 10ht, 7bk, 21:45 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 117ht, 82bk)
W M.Raymond (28): 7gms, 4gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 17:16 (82gms, 47gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk)
W J.VanRyk (24): 6gms, 5gls, 6pts, 15ht, 3bk, 21:37 (82gms, 68gls, 82pts, 205ht, 41bk)

C D.Bolland (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 14ht, 5bk, 16:03 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 164ht, 59bk)
W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)

C J.McClement (30): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 10ht, 3bk, 16:01 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 137ht, 41bk)
W C.Ashton (22): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 8ht, 1bk, 6:15 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 109ht, 14bk)
W C.Orr (31): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 15ht, 0bk, 6:41 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 176ht, 0bk)

C T.Smith (28): 2gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 5:34 (82gms, 41gls, 41pts, 82ht, 41bk)
W D.Broll (20): 3gms, 0gls, 1pts, 3ht, 2bk, 8:23 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 82ht, 55bk)
W J.Leivo (20): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 0bk, 11:12 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 109ht, 0bk)



D D.Phaneuf (28): 7gms, 1gls, 4pts, 17ht, 15bk, 24:56 (82gms, 12gls, 47pts, 199ht, 176bk)
D C.Franson (26): 7gms, 0gls, 6pts, 25ht, 15bk, 21:59 (82gms, 0gls, 70pts, 293ht, 176bk)

D C.Gunnar (27): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 12ht, 17bk, 20:14 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 141ht, 199bk)
D P.Ranger (29): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 14ht, 8bk, 20:02 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 94bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 11ht, 4bk, 19:20 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 129ht, 47bk)
D M.Rielly (19): 5gms, 0gls, 3pts, 8ht, 7bk, 17:31 (82gms, 0gls, 49pts, 131ht, 115bk)

D M.Fraser (27): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 7ht, 3bk, 12:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 287ht, 123bk)



G J.Bernier (25): 5gms, 4-1-0, 1.75gaa, 1so, .946sv%
G J.Reimer (25): 2gms, 2-0-0, 3.18gaa, 0so, .916sv%

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-16-2013, 03:09 PM
I would say Raymond will not keep up that pace given he never has played like that in his career

MindzEye
10-16-2013, 03:13 PM
Really going out on a limb there, eh?

hockeylover
10-16-2013, 03:15 PM
Really going out on a limb there, eh?

lol... was just about to say this.

Our third liner probably won't score 94 points? Thanks, tips.

Habspatrol
10-16-2013, 03:27 PM
Chris Neil will not score 0 points!!

worm
10-16-2013, 03:28 PM
Chris Neil will not score 0 points!!

Wanna bet?

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-16-2013, 03:32 PM
Really going out on a limb there, eh?

Ok, he will get between 35-45 points. Is that better oh great one?

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-16-2013, 03:32 PM
lol... was just about to say this.

Our third liner probably won't score 94 points? Thanks, tips.

you love the on pace argument so you are stuck with it, I didn't come up with the numbers your computer aka Zeke did

MindzEye
10-16-2013, 03:35 PM
Ok, he will get between 35-45 points. Is that better oh great one?

Yes

LeafGm
10-16-2013, 03:45 PM
At this point, I'll be kind of surprised if Raymond doesn't crack the 50 point barrier this year, barring injury. Even if everybody's healthy and he's back down on our "third line", I don't expect a third line of Kulemin - Bolland - Raymond to be a black hole offensively. He's also positioned himself to be the first choice as a fill-in whenever a winger in our top-6 goes down to injury.

hockeylover
10-16-2013, 03:49 PM
you love the on pace argument so you are stuck with it, I didn't come up with the numbers your computer aka Zeke did

These numbers are to contextualize what has already been done, not what he will do.

Do we really have to do this EVERY SINGLE YEAR in this thread? Every year. It's amazing.

Every season in the Real Standings thread "LOL!!! THE LAFFS WONT GET THAT MANY POINTS!"
Every season in the Leafs-Habs-Sens thread "LOL!!! THAT LAFFS PLAYER WONT GET THAT MANY POINTS"

It's been explained ad nauseam.

Metalleaf
10-16-2013, 03:54 PM
There's nothing wrong with thinking Raymond can become a 50 point player again.

Habspatrol
10-16-2013, 04:39 PM
Wanna bet?

Damn you for calling me on my prediction.

Habsy
10-16-2013, 04:42 PM
Leafs have a good team. Their main concern, as with all the teams, will be health. If they manage to stay relatively healthy they'll finish top 8 in the league.

zeke
10-16-2013, 05:44 PM
they probably lead the league in man games lost to IR so far.

zeke
10-16-2013, 05:46 PM
as for Raymond, he's going to have a tough time keeping these minutes when Clarkson comes back.

that said, he's put himself in a position where Clarkson is no longer an automatic for 2nd line / 2nd PP minutes anymore.

JackBurton
10-16-2013, 06:31 PM
Raymond's numbers will drop. But he's a freaking steal for a million bucks. Great signing.

Bleedsblue&white
10-16-2013, 06:58 PM
He's going to end up winning us two points at least once in a shootout this season. Maybe a few times.

Leafin'
10-16-2013, 08:04 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens after the season when Raymond scores 50 points this year and demands $3Million +

Nonis has his work cut out for him in the coming year.

hockeylover
10-16-2013, 08:34 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens after the season when Raymond scores 50 points this year and demands $3Million +

Nonis has his work cut out for him in the coming year.

You just move on and try and find the next good value player or promote from within.

Bleedsblue&white
10-16-2013, 09:05 PM
It'll be interesting to see what happens after the season when Raymond scores 50 points this year and demands $3Million +

Nonis has his work cut out for him in the coming year.

Let him go, unless you really believe he'll keep producing. So what's the big deal?

MindzEye
10-16-2013, 09:13 PM
Leivo, Broll, Biggs, Bodie...all look like they'll be able to step in and replace bottom 6 players next season.

Never, ever pay someone like Raymond unless you're a legitimate contender, and they're coming with both production and Stanley Cup experience. Even then, you're still usually better off saving the cap space and trying to to find someone more talented for your core with it.

zeke
10-16-2013, 09:24 PM
yep.

Bolland would be the only third liner I'd pay decent money to re-sign, because he's a centre, and because Gauthier is a couple years away still.

But Broll and Leivo look near ready to step in even this year, and I'd go with them next year for sure.

Much more important to spend our capspace locking up impending RFA like Kadri, Franson, Gardiner, Reimer, Bernier.

and even if you're not cool with going with Broll/Leivo next year, there's always some cheap options available....like Raymond was this year, like MacArthur was before him.

MindzEye
10-16-2013, 09:32 PM
and frankly, even if you go the first 60 games of the year without one, those good 3rd line character guys are never further than a 3rd round pick away at the trade deadline.

zeke
10-16-2013, 09:39 PM
And it's really nice having guys with something to prove, like Raymond this year and Mac when we signed them. Guys with a chip on their shoulder trying to earn some respect.

Not sure we'd love the mason raymond on a long cushy contract.

MindzEye
10-16-2013, 09:41 PM
One of Teeds bits of legitimate wisdom was how he argued about having as many bottom of the lineup guys as possible and rotating them through with a very short leash. Raymond isn't quite as low in the depth chart as the guys he was referring to but the principle stands. Having a lot of hungry players in your lineup is a good thing.

Leafin'
10-16-2013, 09:44 PM
If thats the case we should be looking to move a guy like Kulemin while he still has value. NOt to say that he doesn't have value to the team, but maybe giving a guy like Leivo an opportunity to grow on the 3rd line to take over starting next year could be beneficial. Also not sure what we can get for Kulemin.

Not sure if we'll be able to resign him with some of the RFA's we have.

Volcanologist
10-16-2013, 09:48 PM
And it's really nice having guys with something to prove, like Raymond this year and Mac when we signed them. Guys with a chip on their shoulder trying to earn some respect.

Not sure we'd love the mason raymond on a long cushy contract.

I'd agree with that. Pretty sure the Leafs will sign him if he plays well this year though, due to the Nonis connection. Hopefully max 3 years.

zeke
10-16-2013, 09:49 PM
nah, good teams with playoff aspirations don't sell off good players at the deadline just because they're going to lose them as free agents. Good teams even give up assets for rentals that they KNOW they're going to lose them as free agents anyways.

though it's a possibility if kids like Leivo and Broll step up in a big way right away.

LeafGm
10-16-2013, 09:49 PM
If thats the case we should be looking to move a guy like Kulemin while he still has value. NOt to say that he doesn't have value to the team, but maybe giving a guy like Leivo an opportunity to grow on the 3rd line to take over starting next year could be beneficial. Also not sure what we can get for Kulemin.

Not sure if we'll be able to resign him with some of the RFA's we have.
Kulemin's a valuable, versatile player to keep around at or near to his current price. But yeah, unless he really busted out this year, if he wants a big raise in the summer, he would definitely be a guy you'd move along and replace with a younger player.

Leafin'
10-16-2013, 09:52 PM
The thing that scares me is the fact that we in all likelihood will see Kulemin outscore Clarkson this season.

Makes me nervous, but Clarkson needs to score at a 50 point pace to not be a complete waste going forward. We did not sign this guy to score 30 goals per, as well as we didnt sign him to play on our 3rd line.

Leafin'
10-16-2013, 09:52 PM
And i really like what i've seen from Leivo.

So far a nice replacement for what Frattin gave us last season on the bottom lines.

LeafGm
10-16-2013, 10:07 PM
The thing that scares me is the fact that we in all likelihood will see Kulemin outscore Clarkson this season.

Makes me nervous, but Clarkson needs to score at a 50 point pace to not be a complete waste going forward. We did not sign this guy to score 30 goals per, as well as we didnt sign him to play on our 3rd line.
You may as well just try your best to forget his salary and accept Clarkson for what he is. He's 29 years old, he's in his 8th NHL season, and the closest he's even come to scoring 50 points was when he scored 46 points in 80 games two years ago. Last year, he scored at a 41 point pace. So, if you're expecting that he's going to start to perennially score more points than his career high just because we're paying him a lot, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

I just hope that he plays smart enough that he's not a liability out there, I hope he's a physical presence out there, I hope he helps Lupul and Kadri win battles along the board and I hope he at least is a consistent 40-45 point producer for us while bringing those other attributes to the table.

leafman101
10-16-2013, 10:15 PM
You can always find guys like Raymond to take a chance on.

Bolland would definitely be the first priority among the third line UFAs. First of all he is a center that you can play in all situations. Secondly he is a pro and you can already tell has had a huge impact on this team. Thats a guy you want around.

If there is cap space I'd love to keep Kuly, but seeing how good Leivo looks I'm less concerned about him. IMO Leivo and Broll can easily slot into the bottom six next season.

Volcanologist
10-16-2013, 10:24 PM
yeah, neither Kuly nor Raymond are must signs. Either can be cut loose without too much regret, although both are quality 3rd line players.

Bolland, one of the above two at a reasonable price, plus the best kid who wins the job like Ashton did sounds like a good 3rd line to me.

leafman101
10-16-2013, 10:28 PM
FORWARDS

Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
David Broll ($0.591m) / Dave Bolland ($4.200m) / Josh Leivo ($0.925m)
Frazer McLaren ($0.700m) / Jay McClement ($1.500m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m)

DEFENSEMEN
Morgan Rielly ($1.744m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.500m)
Jake Gardiner ($3.500m) / Cody Franson ($5.000m)
Carl Gunnarsson ($3.150m) / Stuart Percy ($1.076m)

GOALTENDERS
Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)
James Reimer ($3.000m)

OTHER
Buyout: John-Michael Liles ($0.792m)
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(these totals are compiled with the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,000,000;
CAP PAYROLL: $68,203,000;
BONUSES: $1,195,000
CAP SPACE (21-man roster): $2,992,000

$2.9 mill to sign a 3rd liner, and #6/7 dman. As much as $5.9 if you decide to move a goalie. And I was probably a little generous with the free agents. Its probably really $1 mill or 2 more than that.

Leafin'
10-16-2013, 10:40 PM
If Reilly continues to play well, i would start to look at moving our Gunnarson. Nice player to have, but $3 million on the bottom pairing is a waste in my opinion.

That 3rd line would need some work. 2 rookies could spell disaster when someone gets injured.

Bargain hunting would commence once again.

zeke
10-17-2013, 02:46 PM
C N.Kadri (23): 7gms, 2gls, 7pts, 10ht, 2bk, 15:27 (82gms, 23gls, 82pts, 117ht, 23bk)
C J.Spezza (30): 5gms, 4gls, 5pts, 5ht, 1bk, 19:07 (82gms, 66gls, 82pts, 82ht, 16bk)
C L.Eller (24): 6gms, 5gls, 7pts, 9ht, 5bk, 17:34 (82gms, 68gls, 96pts, 123ht, 68bk)

W P.Kessel (26): 7gms, 2gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 20:55 (82gms, 23gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 6gms, 3gls, 5pts, 18ht, 1bk, 17:27 (82gms, 41gls, 66pts, 246ht, 14bk)
W A.Galchenyuk (19): 6gms, 1gls, 7pts, 7ht, 4bk, 15:00 (82gms, 14gls, 96pts, 96ht, 55bk)

W J.Lupul (30): 7gms, 5gls, 8pts, 11ht, 3bk, 17:08 (82gms, 59gls, 94pts, 129ht, 35bk)
W M.Michalek (29): 6gms, 1gls, 4pts, 10ht, 3bk, 18:16 (82gms, 14gls, 55pts, 137ht, 41bk)
W B.Gallagher (21): 6gms, 3gls, 5pts, 4ht, 3bk, 14:24 (82gms, 41gls, 68pts, 55ht, 41bk)


C T.Bozak (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 10ht, 7bk, 21:45 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 117ht, 82bk)
C K.Turris (24): 6gms, 1gls, 5pts, 1ht, 3bk, 18:57 (82gms, 14gls, 66pts, 14ht, 41bk)
C T.Plekanec (31): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 6ht, 5bk, 18:06 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 82ht, 68bk)

W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 6gms, 5gls, 6pts, 15ht, 3bk, 21:37 (82gms, 68gls, 82pts, 205ht, 41bk)
W C.Conacher (24): 6gms, 2gls, 2pts, 2ht, 5bk, 14:00 (82gms, 27gls, 27pts, 27ht, 66bk)
W M.Pacioretty (25): 5gms, 2gls, 3pts, 4ht, 5bk, 14:29 (82gms, 33gls, 49pts, 66ht, 82bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
W C.MacArthur (28): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 8ht, 2bk, 17:32 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 109ht, 27bk)
W B.Gionta (35): 5gms, 1gls, 2pts, 2ht, 7bk, 15:59 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts, 33ht, 115bk)


C D.Bolland (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 14ht, 5bk, 16:03 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 164ht, 59bk)
C Z.Smith (25): 6gms, 1gls, 1pts, 9ht, 2bk, 14:19 (82gms, 14gls, 14pts, 123ht, 27bk)
C D.Desharnais (27): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 1ht, 5bk, 15:29 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 14ht, 68bk)

W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W C.Greening (27): 6gms, 0gls, 3pts, 17ht, 2bk, 13:14 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 252ht, 27bk)
W R.Bourque (32): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 6ht, 1bk, 15:44 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 82ht, 14bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 7gms, 4gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 17:16 (82gms, 47gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk)
W E.Condra (27): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 2ht, 6bk, 11:46 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 27ht, 82bk)
W D.Briere (36): 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 4ht, 1bk, 15:29 (82gms, 14gls, 41pts, 55ht, 14bk)


C J.McClement (30): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 10ht, 3bk, 16:01 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 137ht, 41bk)
C J.Pageau (21): 6gms, 1gls, 1pts, 8ht, 1bk, 10:20 (82gms, 14gls, 14pts, 109ht, 14bk)
C B.Prust (29): 6gms, 2gls, 2pts, 5ht, 4bk, 12:07 (82gms, 27gls, 27pts, 68ht, 55bk)

W C.Ashton (22): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 8ht, 1bk, 6:15 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 109ht, 14bk)
W C.Neil (34): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 24ht, 0bk, 11:28 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 328ht, 0bk)
W T.Moen (31): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 6ht, 3bk, 11:30 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 82ht, 41bk)

W C.Orr (31): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 15ht, 0bk, 6:41 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 176ht, 0bk)
W M.Kassian (27): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 3ht, 0bk, 4:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)
W G.Parros (34): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 0bk, 4:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)


C T.Smith (28): 2gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 5:34 (82gms, 41gls, 41pts, 82ht, 41bk)
C S.DaCosta (24): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 2bk, 11:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 41bk)
C R.White (25): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 3bk, 9:14 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 62bk)

W D.Broll (20): 3gms, 0gls, 1pts, 3ht, 2bk, 8:23 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 82ht, 55bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W M.Bournival (21): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 1bk, 7:55 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 27ht, 27bk)

W J.Leivo (20): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 0bk, 11:12 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 109ht, 0bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W ------ (--): ------




D D.Phaneuf (28): 7gms, 1gls, 4pts, 17ht, 15bk, 24:56 (82gms, 12gls, 47pts, 199ht, 176bk)
D E.Karlsson (23): 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 8ht, 8bk, 27:23 (82gms, 14gls, 41pts, 109ht, 109bk)
D P.K.Subban (24): 6gms, 2gls, 8pts, 5ht, 6bk, 24:58 (82gms, 27gls, 109pts, 68ht, 82bk)

D C.Franson (26): 7gms, 0gls, 6pts, 25ht, 15bk, 21:59 (82gms, 0gls, 70pts, 293ht, 176bk)
D M.Methot (28): 6gms, 0gls, 1pts, 11ht, 5bk, 22:42 (82gms, 0gls, 14pts, 150ht, 68bk)
D A.Markov (35): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 3ht, 11bk, 24:24 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 41ht, 150bk)


D C.Gunnarsson (27): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 12ht, 17bk, 20:14 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 141ht, 199bk)
D C.Phillips (35): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 14ht, 8bk, 21:22 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 191ht, 109bk)
D J.Gorges (29): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 7ht, 18bk, 20:51 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 96ht, 246bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 11ht, 4bk, 19:20 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 129ht, 47bk)
D P.Wiercioch (23): 6gms, 0gls, 4pts, 5ht, 8bk, 17:24 (82gms, 0gls, 55pts, 68ht, 109bk)
D R.Diaz (28): 6gms, 0gls, 3pts, 2ht, 11bk, 21:00 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 27ht, 150bk)


D P.Ranger (29): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 14ht, 8bk, 20:02 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 94bk)
D J.Cowen (22): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 18ht, 12bk, 18:30 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 246ht, 164bk)
D F.Bouillon (38): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 8ht, 9bk, 16:04 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 109ht, 123bk)

D M.Rielly (19): 5gms, 0gls, 3pts, 8ht, 7bk, 17:31 (82gms, 0gls, 49pts, 131ht, 115bk)
D J.Corvo (36): 3gms, 0gls, 3pts, 0ht, 2bk, 14:36 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 0ht, 55bk)
D N.Beaulieu (21): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 11:07 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 98ht, 115bk)


D M.Fraser (27): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 7ht, 3bk, 12:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 287ht, 123bk)
D E.Gryba (25): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 8ht, 6bk, 16:29 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 219ht, 164bk)
D M.Tinordi (21): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 8ht, 5bk, 13:43 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 103bk)

D ------------- (--): ---
D ------------- (--): ---
D D.Murray (33): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)




G J.Bernier (25): 5gms, 4-1-0, 1.75gaa, 1so, .946sv%
G C.Anderson (32): 5gms, 2-1-2, 3.10gaa, 1so, .916sv%
G C.Price (26): 5gms, 3-2-0, 1.81gaa, 1so, .944sv%

G J.Reimer (25): 2gms, 2-0-0, 3.18gaa, 0so, .916sv%
G R.Lehner (22): 2gms, 0-1-0, 2.64gaa, 0so, .948sv%
G P.Budaj (31): 1gms, 1-0-0, 1.00gaa, 0so, .964sv%

Habspatrol
10-17-2013, 03:05 PM
G C.Anderson (32): 5gms, 2-1-2, 3.10gaa, 1so, .916sv%

Cork can snivel about the schedule and bad officiating all he likes but this is the biggest reason we've seen the Sens come back to Earth.

corksens
10-17-2013, 03:09 PM
You can blame Anderson all you want - but it's been a shooting gallery for most of the road trip - no goalie would be able to sustain anything much better than that.

It's a near miracle that Lehner stood on his head when Anderson gets yanked.

hockeylover
10-17-2013, 03:15 PM
C N.Kadri (23): 7gms, 2gls, 7pts, 10ht, 2bk, 15:27 (82gms, 23gls, 82pts, 117ht, 23bk)
W P.Kessel (26): 7gms, 2gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 20:55 (82gms, 23gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk))
W J.Lupul (30): 7gms, 5gls, 8pts, 11ht, 3bk, 17:08 (82gms, 59gls, 94pts, 129ht, 35bk)
C T.Bozak (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 10ht, 7bk, 21:45 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 117ht, 82bk)
W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 6gms, 5gls, 6pts, 15ht, 3bk, 21:37 (82gms, 68gls, 82pts, 205ht, 41bk)
W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
C D.Bolland (27): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 14ht, 5bk, 16:03 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 164ht, 59bk)
W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W M.Raymond (28): 7gms, 4gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 17:16 (82gms, 47gls, 94pts, 47ht, 23bk)
C J.McClement (30): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 10ht, 3bk, 16:01 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 137ht, 41bk)
W C.Orr (31): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 15ht, 0bk, 6:41 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 176ht, 0bk)
C T.Smith (28): 2gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 5:34 (82gms, 41gls, 41pts, 82ht, 41bk)
W D.Broll (20): 3gms, 0gls, 1pts, 3ht, 2bk, 8:23 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 82ht, 55bk)
W J.Leivo (20): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 0bk, 11:12 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 109ht, 0bk)

Too many top 9 forwards missing early. Winger on each line. Really need Lupul, Kessel, Kadri to step up until we're back at 100%.

Leafin'
10-17-2013, 03:18 PM
How much longer for Kulemin? Broken bone in the ankle, i figure he might be out a while.

hockeylover
10-17-2013, 03:21 PM
They said two weeks back on October 5th.

Clarkson has three games left and that has him coming back on the 25th of October vs Columbus.

Hoss
10-17-2013, 03:34 PM
I've got tickets to the 26th game vs the Pens....

Hopefully he won't get his ass suspended again.

Habspatrol
10-17-2013, 03:41 PM
You can blame Anderson all you want - but it's been a shooting gallery for most of the road trip - no goalie would be able to sustain anything much better than that.

It's a near miracle that Lehner stood on his head when Anderson gets yanked.

No blaming Anderson at all. I'm pointing out that the biggest reason for their crash back to Earth is that Anderson is putting up average numbers and not generational type numbers he had last season.

corksens
10-17-2013, 03:42 PM
No blaming Anderson at all. I'm pointing out that the biggest reason for their crash back to Earth is that Anderson is putting up average numbers and not generational type numbers he had last season.And you'd be wrong in pointing that out.

Habspatrol
10-17-2013, 03:54 PM
And you'd be wrong in pointing that out.

How am I wrong? If he was putting up a .940+ sv% like he did last year, the Sens record would be better. Is that incorrect?

corksens
10-17-2013, 03:57 PM
You are isolating one stat and making a determination.

The team was pinned in their own zone for almost two full games. 50+ shots per game.

Sure, if he put up a .940+ they'd be doing better, but a .940+ in these games would be drastically different compared to last year.

The team is a disaster in the defensive zone at the moment.

LeafGm
10-17-2013, 04:00 PM
What the Sens really need is a defenseman who can actually skate. A puck-moving defenseman.

Someone like John-Michael Liles.

corksens
10-17-2013, 04:19 PM
SIGN ME UP!*

*Pre-concussion Liles only.

LeafGm
10-17-2013, 04:57 PM
Funny enough, I have little doubt that Liles is recovered from his concussion at this point, and would be a lot of help to a lot of teams, including the Sens.

An expensive, multi-year contract for a question mark is a bit of a tough sell though.

worm
10-17-2013, 04:58 PM
One of Teeds bits of legitimate wisdom was how he argued about having as many bottom of the lineup guys as possible and rotating them through with a very short leash. Raymond isn't quite as low in the depth chart as the guys he was referring to but the principle stands. Having a lot of hungry players in your lineup is a good thing.

Scotty Bowman style.

corksens
10-17-2013, 05:06 PM
Funny enough, I have little doubt that Liles is recovered from his concussion at this point, and would be a lot of help to a lot of teams, including the Sens.

An expensive, multi-year contract for a question mark is a bit of a tough sell though.Yea, sadly he's in a bad spot being on one of the few teams that had the depth to bump him out of a spot.

JackBurton
10-17-2013, 05:34 PM
No blaming Anderson at all. I'm pointing out that the biggest reason for their crash back to Earth is that Anderson is putting up average numbers and not generational type numbers he had last season.

It's interesting that none of the "Experts" mentioned this when doing their picks.

SENSible
10-17-2013, 05:54 PM
How am I wrong? If he was putting up a .940+ sv% like he did last year, the Sens record would be better. Is that incorrect?

Too funny...check out Lehner's save % and won loss record...

If you want to look for a mediocre team getting unsustainable goaltending to inflate their record, check out Price and Budhaj's numbers.

worm
10-17-2013, 06:15 PM
.908 seems sustainable

hockeylover
10-17-2013, 06:19 PM
If you want to look for a mediocre team getting unsustainable goaltending to inflate their record, check out Price and Budhaj's numbers.

What was the reason for their inflated record last year then...? It's not like they're coming out of nowhere.

SENSible
10-17-2013, 06:23 PM
.908 seems sustainable

You seem confused.

Price .944
Budaj .964

Good luck with that.

SENSible
10-17-2013, 06:24 PM
What was the reason for their inflated record last year then...? It's not like they're coming out of nowhere.

Mediocre 1st round fodder. Pounded in 5 games.

hockeylover
10-17-2013, 06:29 PM
Doesn't really answer the question whatsover.

What was the reason for the inflated record in the regular season last year? It wasn't goaltending.

Leafin'
10-17-2013, 06:37 PM
Liles with 3 points in 3 games thus far...

How has this offensive juggernaut not been moved yet?

:smilewinkgrin:

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-17-2013, 06:43 PM
Too funny...check out Lehner's save % and won loss record...

If you want to look for a mediocre team getting unsustainable goaltending to inflate their record, check out Price and Budhaj's numbers.

4-2 is an inflated record?

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-17-2013, 06:45 PM
You seem confused.

Price .944
Budaj .964

Good luck with that.

Budaj has played one game so that number is meaningless.

Price is 3-2 and in his three wins, the team has won by three goals in each and never trailed in any of the games. Hard to say all goaltending as you are implying when we scored more than enough to win each of those games regardless of goaltending.

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-17-2013, 06:45 PM
Mediocre 1st round fodder when missing 6 players. Pounded in 5 games.

fyp

Habsy
10-17-2013, 11:40 PM
So last season...

Subban with two more assists tonight, both on impressive plays.

Still a target for bullshit calls though.

JohnnyHolmes
10-18-2013, 12:19 AM
fyp

:lol

Are you still crying about that?

Ottawa played half the season or more without their best players, and most of the playoffs without Spezza plus EK and Michalek playing on one leg and still kicked your asses.

Get over it.

JohnnyHolmes
10-18-2013, 12:26 AM
So last season...

Subban with two more assists tonight, both on impressive plays.

Still a target for bullshit calls though.

Maybe he should consider changing his style a little.

http://media5.onsugar.com/files/2011/05/21/4/1718/17180514/1a/0.jpg

Habsy
10-18-2013, 01:49 AM
No kidding.

Habspatrol
10-18-2013, 09:03 AM
So last season...

Subban with two more assists tonight, both on impressive plays.

Still a target for bullshit calls though.
Yeah what was up with the two phantom calls? It was good for my fantasy league... but those were like bizarrely bad calls. I really hope these refs have to answer to somebody on calls that are that blatantly bad.

CH1
10-18-2013, 09:05 AM
Trying to make brilliant observations based on 6 games worth of data is a mug's game. Damn, I can't believe the Habs are still winning after seeing Eller's 200 point pace sliced in half.

Volcanologist
10-18-2013, 09:17 AM
Yeah what was up with the two phantom calls? It was good for my fantasy league... but those were like bizarrely bad calls. I really hope these refs have to answer to somebody on calls that are that blatantly bad.

they do. I think they get rated over the course of the season.

corksens
10-18-2013, 09:41 AM
moved.

worm
10-18-2013, 11:02 AM
Yeah what was up with the two phantom calls? It was good for my fantasy league... but those were like bizarrely bad calls. I really hope these refs have to answer to somebody on calls that are that blatantly bad.

I actually thought the one was an elbow...then i saw the replay and was like WTF....picked up my phone and called an optometrist.

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-18-2013, 01:32 PM
:lol

Are you still crying about that?

Ottawa played half the season or more without their best players, and most of the playoffs without Spezza plus EK and Michalek playing on one leg and still kicked your asses.

Get over it.

when you guys get over yapping about what is clearly the high point in your 20 years as a franchise, it will go away

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-18-2013, 01:33 PM
Trying to make brilliant observations based on 6 games worth of data is a mug's game. Damn, I can't believe the Habs are still winning after seeing Eller's 200 point pace sliced in half.

no points for him last night, in game 7s of a season he is on a 0 point pace.

zeke
10-18-2013, 02:54 PM
C N.Kadri (23): 8gms, 2gls, 7pts, 11ht, 2bk, 48.2fo%, 16:03 (82gms, 21gls, 72pts, 113ht, 21bk)
C J.Spezza (30): 6gms, 5gls, 8pts, 5ht, 2bk, 56.0fo%, 18:46 (82gms, 68gls, 109pts, 68ht, 27bk)
C L.Eller (24): 7gms, 5gls, 7pts, 13ht, 5bk, 51.4fo%, 17:36 (82gms, 59gls, 82pts, 152ht, 59bk)

W P.Kessel (26): 8gms, 2gls, 8pts, 5ht, 3bk, 20:56 (82gms, 21gls, 82pts, 51ht, 31bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 7gms, 4gls, 7pts, 19ht, 1bk, 17:11 (82gms, 47gls, 82pts, 223ht, 12bk)
W A.Galchenyuk (19): 7gms, 1gls, 7pts, 7ht, 4bk, 15:02 (82gms, 12gls, 82pts, 82ht, 47bk)

W J.Lupul (30): 8gms, 6gls, 9pts, 12ht, 3bk, 17:31 (82gms, 62gls, 92pts, 123ht, 31bk)
W M.Michalek (29): 7gms, 2gls, 5pts, 10ht, 3bk, 18:03 (82gms, 23gls, 59pts, 117ht, 35bk)
W M.Pacioretty (25): 5gms, 2gls, 3pts, 4ht, 5bk, 14:29 (82gms, 33gls, 49pts, 66ht, 82bk)


C T.Bozak (27): 8gms, 3gls, 5pts, 13ht, 8bk, 48.5fo%, 21:57 (82gms, 31gls, 51pts, 133ht, 82bk)
C K.Turris (24): 7gms, 1gls, 6pts, 1ht, 3bk, 45.9fo%, 18:53 (82gms, 12gls, 70pts, 12ht, 35bk)
C T.Plekanec (31): 7gms, 3gls, 4pts, 6ht, 5bk, 47.9fo%, 18:04 (82gms, 35gls, 47pts, 70ht, 59bk)

W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 6gms, 5gls, 6pts, 15ht, 3bk, 21:37 (82gms, 68gls, 82pts, 205ht, 41bk)
W C.Conacher (24): 7gms, 2gls, 2pts, 4ht, 5bk, 14:07 (82gms, 23gls, 23pts, 47ht, 59bk)
W B.Gallagher (21): 7gms, 3gls, 5pts, 5ht, 3bk, 14:23 (82gms, 35gls, 59pts, 59ht, 35bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 8gms, 4gls, 8pts, 4ht, 2bk, 18:13 (82gms, 41gls, 82pts, 41ht, 21bk)
W C.MacArthur (28): 7gms, 0gls, 3pts, 10ht, 2bk, 17:39 (82gms, 0gls, 35pts, 117ht, 23bk)
W B.Gionta (35): 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 3ht, 7bk, 15:54 (82gms, 14gls, 41pts, 41ht, 96bk)


C D.Bolland (27): 8gms, 3gls, 6pts, 15ht, 5bk, 42.2fo%, 16:07 (82gms, 31gls, 62pts, 154ht, 51bk)
C Z.Smith (25): 7gms, 2gls, 2pts, 12ht, 2bk, 49.4fo%, 14:43 (82gms, 23gls, 23pts, 141ht, 23bk)
C D.Desharnais (27): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 1ht, 6bk, 57.3fo%, 15:10 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 12ht, 70bk)

W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W C.Greening (27): 7gms, 0gls, 3pts, 21ht, 3bk, 13:04 (82gms, 0gls, 35pts, 246ht, 35bk)
W R.Bourque (32): 7gms, 2gls, 3pts, 6ht, 1bk, 15:21 (82gms, 23gls, 35pts, 70ht, 12bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
W E.Condra (27): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 2ht, 9bk, 11:33 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 23ht, 105bk)
W D.Briere (36): 7gms, 1gls, 3pts, 4ht, 1bk, 15:08 (82gms, 12gls, 35pts, 47ht, 12bk)


C J.McClement (30): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 12ht, 3bk, 46.8fo%, 15:43 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 141ht, 35bk)
C J.Pageau (21): 7gms, 1gls, 1pts, 10ht, 1bk, 32.3fo%, 10:05 (82gms, 12gls, 12pts, 117ht, 12bk)
C R.White (25): 5gms, 0gls, 0pts, 6ht, 4bk, 51.1fo%, 9:35 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 98ht, 66bk)

W C.Ashton (22): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 10ht, 1bk, 6:06 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 117ht, 12bk)
W C.Neil (34): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 26ht, 0bk, 11:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 305ht, 0bk)
W B.Prust (29): 7gms, 2gls, 3pts, 8ht, 4bk, 12:59 (82gms, 23gls, 35pts, 94ht, 47bk)

W C.Orr (31): 8gms, 0gls, 0pts, 15ht, 1bk, 6:13 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 154ht, 10bk)
W M.Kassian (27): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 6ht, 0bk, 4:33 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 123ht, 0bk)
W T.Moen (31): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 8ht, 3bk, 11:27 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 94ht, 35bk)


C T.Smith (28): 3gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 37.5fo%, 4:49 (82gms, 27gls, 27pts, 55ht, 27bk)
C S.DaCosta (24): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 2bk, 11:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 41bk)
C M.Bournival (21): 4gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 3bk, 42.9fo%, 8:28 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 41ht, 62bk)

W J.Leivo (20): 4gms, 1gls, 1pts, 4ht, 0bk, 11:19 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 82ht, 0bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W G.Parros (34): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 0bk, 4:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)

W D.Broll (20): 4gms, 0gls, 1pts, 7ht, 2bk, 9:10 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 144ht, 41bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W ------ (--): ------




D D.Phaneuf (28): 8gms, 1gls, 4pts, 24ht, 15bk, 24:56 (82gms, 10gls, 41pts, 246ht, 154bk)
D E.Karlsson (23): 7gms, 2gls, 6pts, 10ht, 9bk, 27:22 (82gms, 23gls, 70pts, 117ht, 105bk)
D P.K.Subban (24): 7gms, 2gls, 10pts, 6ht, 8bk, 24:41 (82gms, 23gls, 117pts, 70ht, 94bk)

D C.Franson (26): 8gms, 0gls, 6pts, 27ht, 17bk, 21:46 (82gms, 0gls, 62pts, 277ht, 174bk)
D M.Methot (28): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 14ht, 5bk, 22:23 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 164ht, 59bk)
D A.Markov (35): 7gms, 1gls, 4pts, 4ht, 12bk, 24:17 (82gms, 12gls, 47pts, 47ht, 141bk)


D C.Gunnarsson (27): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 15ht, 20bk, 20:12 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts, 154ht, 205bk)
D C.Phillips (35): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 16ht, 8bk, 21:18 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 187ht, 94bk)
D J.Gorges (29): 7gms, 1gls, 3pts, 8ht, 21bk, 21:09 (82gms, 12gls, 35pts, 94ht, 246bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 13ht, 6bk, 19:26 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 133ht, 62bk)
D P.Wiercioch (23): 7gms, 0gls, 4pts, 7ht, 11bk, 17:09 (82gms, 0gls, 47pts, 82ht, 129bk)
D R.Diaz (28): 7gms, 0gls, 4pts, 3ht, 16bk, 21:23 (82gms, 0gls, 47pts, 35ht, 187bk)


D P.Ranger (29): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 18ht, 8bk, 19:43 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts, 185ht, 82bk)
D J.Cowen (22): 7gms, 1gls, 2pts, 20ht, 12bk, 18:37 (82gms, 12gls, 23pts, 234ht, 141bk)
D D.Murray (33): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)

D M.Rielly (19): 6gms, 0gls, 4pts, 12ht, 9bk, 17:32 (82gms, 0gls, 55pts, 164ht, 123bk)
D J.Corvo (36): 3gms, 0gls, 3pts, 0ht, 2bk, 14:36 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 0ht, 55bk)
D F.Bouillon (38): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 9ht, 10bk, 16:07 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 105ht, 117bk)


D M.Fraser (27): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 7ht, 3bk, 12:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 287ht, 123bk)
D E.Gryba (25): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 10ht, 7bk, 16:40 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 205ht, 144bk)
D M.Tinordi (21): 5gms, 0gls, 0pts, 8ht, 5bk, 13:04 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 131ht, 82bk)

D ------------- (--): ---
D ------------- (--): ---
D N.Beaulieu (21): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 11:07 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 98ht, 115bk)




G J.Bernier (25): 6gms, 4-2-0, 1.98gaa, 1so, .940sv%
G C.Anderson (32): 6gms, 3-1-2, 2.88gaa, 1so, .924sv%
G C.Price (26): 6gms, 4-2-0, 2.01gaa, 1so, .938sv%

G J.Reimer (25): 4gms, 2-0-0, 3.18gaa, 0so, .917sv%
G R.Lehner (22): 2gms, 0-1-0, 2.64gaa, 0so, .948sv%
G P.Budaj (31): 1gms, 1-0-0, 1.00gaa, 0so, .964sv%

corksens
10-18-2013, 02:55 PM
when you guys get over yapping about what is clearly the high point in your 20 years as a franchise, it will go awayI know you don't like the result, but a 5 game trouncing between division rivals is going to get talked about.

It's kind of the way sports works.

worm
10-18-2013, 03:18 PM
division opponents...not rivals

JohnnyHolmes
10-18-2013, 09:03 PM
division opponents...not rivals

:lol

Derp.

Thumping the Habs is nowhere near a franchise highlight for me. I have spent pretty much zero time thinking about it since it happened.

It was a cake walk. Ottawa has had far harder / more entertaining series' than that.

If it wasn't for the fact that the Habs used to be a significant franchise, that series doesn't even rate.

Habspatrol
10-18-2013, 11:04 PM
Better to be a has been than a never was.

JohnnyHolmes
10-18-2013, 11:20 PM
Better to be a has been than a never was.

Oohhhh...

The finishing move of finishing moves.

Habsy
10-19-2013, 12:31 AM
:lol

Derp.

Thumping the Habs is nowhere near a franchise highlight for me. I have spent pretty much zero time thinking about it since it happened.

It was a cake walk. Ottawa has had far harder / more entertaining series' than that.

If it wasn't for the fact that the Habs used to be a significant franchise, that series doesn't even rate.

That makes two of us.

Metalleaf
10-19-2013, 12:44 AM
Sens fans like to flatter themselves too much.

leaffan2005
10-19-2013, 12:29 PM
Giroux 2.0 a healthy scratch tonight.

Poor Sens.

JohnnyHolmes
10-19-2013, 01:01 PM
Giroux 2.0 a healthy scratch tonight.

Poor Sens.

Yeah the Kassian - Grant - Condra line is sure to light it up now.

Volcanologist
10-19-2013, 01:02 PM
Giroux 2.0 a healthy scratch tonight.

Poor Sens.

Impossibru

hockeylover
10-19-2013, 01:38 PM
It's pretty funny given how Sens fans shit on our prospect depth all summer and hyped up theirs.

Remember when signing Raymond was a clear indictment on the lack of organizational depth?

JohnnyHolmes
10-19-2013, 03:56 PM
It's pretty funny given how Sens fans shit on our prospect depth all summer and hyped up theirs.

Remember when signing Raymond was a clear indictment on the lack of organizational depth?
:lol

A guy you pulled off the scrap heap?

hockeylover
10-19-2013, 03:59 PM
:lol

A guy you pulled off the scrap heap?

That's outscoring MacArthur for a third of the price? Yep. That's the one!

leaffan2005
10-19-2013, 05:07 PM
Poor Johnny.

Wayward DP
10-19-2013, 05:17 PM
Credit to Johnny, at least he's around to take some lumps currently. Haven't seen much of corky or sensi the last little bit...

leaffan2005
10-19-2013, 05:32 PM
Meh, they are all cowards that selectively decide when it is appropriate to pop their head in and "contribute" to these boards.

It's all good though. It makes for good comedy.

corksens
10-19-2013, 05:56 PM
****ing hell. Had sweet seats for that game. But man some of those calls were bad...specifically the entire 2 minute 5on3.

#freemika

corksens
10-19-2013, 05:58 PM
It's pretty funny given how Sens fans shit on our prospect depth all summer and hyped up theirs.

Remember when signing Raymond was a clear indictment on the lack of organizational depth?

Raymond has been a great signing - but it's still early. I still like my team calling up 'deserves' ahl'ers.

Really, a Raymond shouldn't come in at $900k. So full marks on that.

The Green Hornet
10-19-2013, 05:59 PM
another loss on the refs? i almost feel bad for the sens. if only they could get a fair shake.

corksens
10-19-2013, 06:03 PM
Credit to Johnny, at least he's around to take some lumps currently. Haven't seen much of corky or sensi the last little bit...

I've been posting as normal as ever. Barely said a word when Bernier let in the worst goal of the year and the sens won. I was at today's game...forgive me for going out.

corksens
10-19-2013, 06:04 PM
another loss on the refs? i almost feel bad for the sens. if only they could get a fair shake.

Sens didn't get anywhere near enough pressure tonight - but we're clearly the beater team.

Seriously though - watch the replays and tell me that 5on3 was even remotely justified. Terrible terrible calls.

leaffan2005
10-19-2013, 06:06 PM
http://imway2fat.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/baby-crying.jpg

Bleedsblue&white
10-19-2013, 06:06 PM
Plus, it was an afternoon game.

corksens
10-19-2013, 06:15 PM
I'm not blaming the loss on anyone - wee were the better team. Just didn't go our way.

Just watch that particular pair of calls. Bad bad stuff.

leaffan2005
10-19-2013, 06:19 PM
http://feistypad.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/excuses1.jpg

Montana
10-19-2013, 06:23 PM
I'm not blaming the loss on anyone - wee were the better team. Just didn't go our way.

Just watch that particular pair of calls. Bad bad stuff.


The better team won, and the refs didn't decide the game.

hockeylover
10-19-2013, 06:56 PM
Raymond has been a great signing - but it's still early. I still like my team calling up 'deserves' ahl'ers.

Really, a Raymond shouldn't come in at $900k. So full marks on that.

Bodie, Broll, Ashton, Leivo, Abbott, Smith, Devane all made their Leaf debuts despite Raymond blocking their way.

Bleedsblue&white
10-19-2013, 06:58 PM
Raymond is going to win us at least one shootout...at the very least...well worth the money.

Habsy
10-19-2013, 07:10 PM
I watched that game. The Sens made mistakes and Edmonton capitalized.

Edmonton deserved the win.

zeke
10-19-2013, 07:18 PM
Just watched the highlights, but, Robin "The Future" Lehner's 2nd goal, the game winner, was fairly weak. Methot looked like poop on both the goals.

corksens
10-19-2013, 07:55 PM
Just watched the highlights, but, Robin "The Future" Lehner's 2nd goal, the game winner, was fairly weak. Methot looked like poop on both the goals.

Very bad. Gloved out the rebound and Edmonton ripped it in. Not good.

corksens
10-19-2013, 07:55 PM
The better team won, and the refs didn't decide the game.

This isn't the case. The better team was Ottaw - but shit happens.

SENSible
10-19-2013, 09:00 PM
The Sens were the better team, but the Oilers skill helped pull them through. Lehner could have been better on the second goal, but the offence has to produce more than one against Dubnyk and that porous D.

Montana
10-19-2013, 09:27 PM
The better team won, and the refs didn't decide it.

SENSible
10-19-2013, 09:41 PM
The Sens out chanced and outplayed the Oilers and were the better team. Sorry that doesn't fit the narrative you'd prefer to paint, but it is reality.

Montana
10-19-2013, 10:00 PM
3-1




#reality

SENSible
10-19-2013, 10:03 PM
More shots.

More scoring chances.

Better face off %.

More puck possession.

The better team lost. It happens pretty often in hockey. For reference, your Leafs have been the second best team on the ice pretty much every game all year, but still have a winning record.

Montana
10-19-2013, 10:08 PM
3 > 1

zeke
10-19-2013, 10:43 PM
C N.Kadri (23): 9gms, 3gls, 8pts, 12ht, 2bk, 49.2fo%, 16:12 (82gms, 27gls, 73pts, 109ht, 18bk)
C J.Spezza (30): 7gms, 5gls, 8pts, 5ht, 2bk, 57.5fo%, 18:55 (82gms, 59gls, 94pts, 59ht, 23bk)
C L.Eller (24): 8gms, 5gls, 8pts, 15ht, 5bk, 52.4fo%, 17:57 (82gms, 51gls, 82pts, 154ht, 51bk)

W J.Lupul (30): 9gms, 6gls, 10pts, 13ht, 3bk, 17:45 (82gms, 55gls, 91pts, 118ht, 27bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 8gms, 4gls, 7pts, 21ht, 1bk, 17:07 (82gms, 41gls, 72pts, 215ht, 10bk)
W A.Galchenyuk (19): 8gms, 1gls, 7pts, 8ht, 4bk, 15:13 (82gms, 10gls, 72pts, 82ht, 41bk)

W P.Kessel (26): 9gms, 2gls, 8pts, 6ht, 4bk, 21:05 (82gms, 18gls, 73pts, 55ht, 45bk)
W M.Michalek (29): 8gms, 2gls, 5pts, 11ht, 3bk, 18:19 (82gms, 21gls, 51pts, 113ht, 31bk)
W M.Pacioretty (25): 5gms, 2gls, 3pts, 4ht, 5bk, 14:29 (82gms, 33gls, 49pts, 66ht, 82bk)


C T.Bozak (27): 9gms, 3gls, 5pts, 17ht, 8bk, 47.2fo%, 22:02 (82gms, 27gls, 45pts, 155ht, 73bk)
C K.Turris (24): 8gms, 1gls, 6pts, 2ht, 3bk, 46.1fo%, 19:01 (82gms, 10gls, 62pts, 21ht, 31bk)
C T.Plekanec (31): 8gms, 3gls, 4pts, 6ht, 7bk, 46.4fo%, 18:30 (82gms, 31gls, 41pts, 62ht, 72bk)

W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 7gms, 5gls, 6pts, 15ht, 3bk, 21:29 (82gms, 59gls, 70pts, 176ht, 35bk)
W C.Conacher (24): 8gms, 2gls, 2pts, 5ht, 5bk, 14:03 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 51ht, 51bk)
W B.Gallagher (21): 8gms, 4gls, 6pts, 5ht, 3bk, 14:46 (82gms, 41gls, 62pts, 51ht, 31bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 9gms, 4gls, 8pts, 5ht, 2bk, 18:15 (82gms, 36gls, 73pts, 45ht, 18bk)
W C.MacArthur (28): 8gms, 0gls, 4pts, 10ht, 2bk, 17:39 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 103ht, 21bk)
W B.Gionta (35): 7gms, 1gls, 3pts, 3ht, 7bk, 16:09 (82gms, 12gls, 35pts, 35ht, 82bk)


C D.Bolland (27): 9gms, 3gls, 6pts, 16ht, 5bk, 42.3fo%, 16:06 (82gms, 27gls, 55pts, 146ht, 45bk)
C Z.Smith (25): 8gms, 2gls, 2pts, 16ht, 2bk, 50.2fo%, 14:49 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 164ht, 21bk)
C D.Desharnais (27): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 2ht, 6bk, 53.8fo%, 14:57 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts, 21ht, 62bk)

W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W C.Greening (27): 8gms, 0gls, 3pts, 24ht, 3bk, 13:16 (82gms, 0gls, 31pts, 246ht, 31bk)
W R.Bourque (32): 8gms, 2gls, 3pts, 7ht, 1bk, 15:13 (82gms, 21gls, 31pts, 72ht, 10bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
W E.Condra (27): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 2ht, 9bk, 11:15 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 21ht, 92bk)
W D.Briere (36): 8gms, 1gls, 3pts, 4ht, 1bk, 13:47 (82gms, 10gls, 31pts, 41ht, 10bk)


C J.McClement (30): 8gms, 0gls, 0pts, 12ht, 4bk, 47.2fo%, 15:02 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 123ht, 41bk)
C J.Pageau (21): 7gms, 1gls, 1pts, 10ht, 1bk, 32.3fo%, 10:05 (82gms, 12gls, 12pts, 117ht, 12bk)
C R.White (25): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 9ht, 6bk, 51.0fo%, 9:55 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 123ht, 82bk)

W T.Bodie (28): 5gms, 0gls, 2pts, 7ht, 3bk, 6:55 (82gms, 0gls, 33pts, 115ht, 49bk)
W C.Neil (34): 8gms, 1gls, 1pts, 31ht, 0bk, 11:20 (82gms, 10gls, 10pts, 318ht, 0bk)
W B.Prust (29): 8gms, 2gls, 3pts, 12ht, 4bk, 13:07 (82gms, 21gls, 31pts, 123ht, 41bk)

W C.Orr (31): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 18ht, 2bk, 6:12 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 18bk)
W M.Kassian (27): 5gms, 0gls, 0pts, 9ht, 0bk, 4:16 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 148ht, 0bk)
W T.Moen (31): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 11ht, 3bk, 11:18 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 113ht, 31bk)


C T.Smith (28): 3gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 37.5fo%, 4:49 (82gms, 27gls, 27pts, 55ht, 27bk)
C D.Grant (23): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 5:57 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
C M.Bournival (21): 5gms, 1gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 52.9fo%, 8:39 (82gms, 16gls, 33pts, 66ht, 49bk)

W J.Leivo (20): 5gms, 1gls, 1pts, 5ht, 0bk, 10:55 (82gms, 16gls, 16pts, 82ht, 0bk)
W S.DaCosta (24): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 2bk, 11:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 41bk)
W G.Parros (34): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 0bk, 4:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)

W D.Broll (20): 5gms, 0gls, 1pts, 7ht, 2bk, 8:11 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 115ht, 33bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W ------ (--): ------

W C.Ashton (22): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 10ht, 1bk, 6:06 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 117ht, 12bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W ------ (--): ------




D D.Phaneuf (28): 9gms, 1gls, 4pts, 26ht, 17bk, 24:39 (82gms, 9gls, 36pts, 237ht, 155bk)
D E.Karlsson (23): 8gms, 2gls, 6pts, 11ht, 9bk, 27:46 (82gms, 21gls, 62pts, 113ht, 92bk)
D P.K.Subban (24): 8gms, 2gls, 10pts, 7ht, 9bk, 24:48 (82gms, 21gls, 103pts, 72ht, 92bk)

D C.Franson (26): 9gms, 0gls, 7pts, 29ht, 19bk, 21:49 (82gms, 0gls, 64pts, 264ht, 173bk)
D M.Methot (28): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 16ht, 5bk, 21:16 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts, 164ht, 51bk)
D A.Markov (35): 8gms, 1gls, 4pts, 4ht, 14bk, 24:38 (82gms, 10gls, 41pts, 41ht, 144bk)


D C.Gunnarsson (27): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 16ht, 24bk, 19:47 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts, 146ht, 219bk)
D C.Phillips (35): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 19ht, 11bk, 21:26 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 195ht, 113bk)
D J.Gorges (29): 8gms, 1gls, 3pts, 12ht, 22bk, 21:02 (82gms, 10gls, 31pts, 123ht, 225bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 9gms, 0gls, 2pts, 14ht, 7bk, 19:29 (82gms, 0gls, 18pts, 128ht, 64bk)
D J.Cowen (22): 8gms, 1gls, 2pts, 22ht, 13bk, 19:00 (82gms, 10gls, 21pts, 225ht, 133bk)
D R.Diaz (28): 8gms, 0gls, 4pts, 3ht, 16bk, 20:59 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 31ht, 164bk)


D P.Ranger (29): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 21ht, 9bk, 19:34 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts, 191ht, 82bk)
D J.Corvo (36): 3gms, 0gls, 3pts, 0ht, 2bk, 14:36 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 0ht, 55bk)
D D.Murray (33): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)

D M.Rielly (19): 7gms, 0gls, 4pts, 15ht, 11bk, 17:56 (82gms, 0gls, 47pts, 176ht, 129bk)
D P.Wiercioch (23): 8gms, 0gls, 5pts, 8ht, 11bk, 17:15 (82gms, 0gls, 51pts, 82ht, 113bk)
D F.Bouillon (38): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 10ht, 11bk, 16:28 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 103ht, 113bk)


D M.Fraser (27): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 7ht, 3bk, 12:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 287ht, 123bk)
D E.Gryba (25): 5gms, 0gls, 0pts, 13ht, 8bk, 16:11 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 213ht, 131bk)
D M.Tinordi (21): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 8ht, 6bk, 12:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 109ht, 82bk)

D ------------- (--): ---
D ------------- (--): ---
D N.Beaulieu (21): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 11:07 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 98ht, 115bk)




G J.Bernier (25): 7gms, 4-3-0, 2.14gaa, 1so, .938sv%
G C.Anderson (32): 6gms, 3-1-2, 2.88gaa, 1so, .924sv%
G C.Price (26): 7gms, 4-3-0, 2.01gaa, 1so, .940sv%

G J.Reimer (25): 4gms, 2-0-0, 3.18gaa, 0so, .917sv%
G R.Lehner (22): 3gms, 0-2-0, 2.41gaa, 0so, .940sv%
G P.Budaj (31): 1gms, 1-0-0, 1.00gaa, 0so, .964sv%

JohnnyHolmes
10-20-2013, 01:10 AM
http://youtu.be/-mAkybJHyqA

corksens
10-20-2013, 11:25 AM
Good lord. Didn't even realize it was that bad.

Habspatrol
10-20-2013, 12:53 PM
Cowen tripped him with his skate... dangerous play.

SundinsTooth
10-20-2013, 01:35 PM
I agree - flopping to the ice like that is always dangerous. Good way to give yourself a concussion.

JohnnyHolmes
10-20-2013, 01:44 PM
Cowen tripped him with his skate... dangerous play.

Heh.

Habsy
10-21-2013, 11:06 AM
8 games in and Habs have 7 players on injury. Starting a petition to rename the team "Glassmen".

JaysCyYoung
10-21-2013, 01:02 PM
What do you expect from such an undersized group?

hairnova
10-21-2013, 01:04 PM
Best part is Briere is the only midget hurt.

zeke
10-21-2013, 01:11 PM
Is this a recurring injury for Patches?

hairnova
10-21-2013, 01:14 PM
No, hamstring strain but all these injuries are getting worrisome.

Habsy
10-21-2013, 01:19 PM
Exactly, the midgets are the only healthy ones now. Unreal.

CaptainBolduke
10-21-2013, 01:29 PM
What do you expect from such an undersized group?

Except Briere (who is 5'10) all the injured guys are big.

TheCountofMonteCristo
10-21-2013, 02:16 PM
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What do you expect from such an undersized group?

if it were the small guys hurt, you would have a point

Wayward DP
10-21-2013, 04:05 PM
Anytime I draft a Sen/Hab in my hockey pool they get injured just to spite me.

Happened last year with HK, this year with Patches.

Bad karma or something.

trujaysfan
10-21-2013, 04:25 PM
Anytime I draft a Sen/Hab in my hockey pool they get injured just to spite me.

Happened last year with HK, this year with Patches.

Bad karma or something.

Keep drafting them please

MindzEye
10-21-2013, 09:13 PM
Draft them all next year....

worm
10-22-2013, 05:04 PM
hey jays
did anybody tell you that the smurfs are all healthy?

Deckie007
10-22-2013, 08:34 PM
I think it may have been mentioned once or twice.

Habspatrol
10-22-2013, 08:37 PM
Gallagher scored a real beauty. Love that kid.

Deckie007
10-22-2013, 08:40 PM
Gallagher scored a real beauty. Love that kid.

Hemorrhoid Smurf.

Metalleaf
10-22-2013, 09:12 PM
Hemorrhoid Smurf.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/smurfs.jpg

hockeylover
10-22-2013, 10:07 PM
Leafs > Habs > Sens

:couch

zeke
10-22-2013, 11:01 PM
C N.Kadri (23): 10gms, 3gls, 8pts, 14ht, 3bk, 47.4fo%, 16:24 (82gms, 25gls, 66pts, 115ht, 25bk)
C J.Spezza (30): 7gms, 5gls, 8pts, 5ht, 2bk, 57.5fo%, 18:55 (82gms, 59gls, 94pts, 59ht, 23bk)
C L.Eller (24): 9gms, 5gls, 8pts, 17ht, 5bk, 54.9fo%, 18:05 (82gms, 46gls, 73pts, 155ht, 46bk)

W P.Kessel (26): 10gms, 5gls, 11pts, 7ht, 4bk, 20:40 (82gms, 41gls, 90pts, 57ht, 33bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 8gms, 4gls, 7pts, 21ht, 1bk, 17:07 (82gms, 41gls, 72pts, 215ht, 10bk)
W A.Galchenyuk (19): 9gms, 1gls, 7pts, 8ht, 5bk, 15:34 (82gms, 9gls, 64pts, 73ht, 46bk)

W J.Lupul (30): 10gms, 6gls, 10pts, 17ht, 4bk, 17:54 (82gms, 49gls, 82pts, 139ht, 33bk)
W M.Michalek (29): 8gms, 2gls, 5pts, 11ht, 3bk, 18:19 (82gms, 21gls, 51pts, 113ht, 31bk)
W M.Pacioretty (25): 5gms, 2gls, 3pts, 4ht, 5bk, 14:29 (82gms, 33gls, 49pts, 66ht, 82bk)


C T.Bozak (27): 10gms, 3gls, 5pts, 20ht, 8bk, 47.4fo%, 21:48 (82gms, 25gls, 41pts, 164ht, 66bk)
C K.Turris (24): 8gms, 1gls, 6pts, 2ht, 3bk, 46.1fo%, 19:01 (82gms, 10gls, 62pts, 21ht, 31bk)
C T.Plekanec (31): 9gms, 4gls, 6pts, 7ht, 7bk, 47.6fo%, 18:27 (82gms, 36gls, 55pts, 64ht, 64bk)

W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 8gms, 5gls, 8pts, 15ht, 4bk, 21:03 (82gms, 51gls, 82pts, 154ht, 41bk)
W C.Conacher (24): 8gms, 2gls, 2pts, 5ht, 5bk, 14:03 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 51ht, 51bk)
W B.Gallagher (21): 9gms, 5gls, 7pts, 6ht, 4bk, 15:02 (82gms, 46gls, 64pts, 55ht, 36bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 10gms, 4gls, 8pts, 7ht, 2bk, 18:31 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts, 57ht, 16bk)
W C.MacArthur (28): 8gms, 0gls, 4pts, 10ht, 2bk, 17:39 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 103ht, 21bk)
W B.Gionta (35): 8gms, 2gls, 4pts, 4ht, 7bk, 16:32 (82gms, 21gls, 41pts, 41ht, 72bk)


C D.Bolland (27): 10gms, 3gls, 7pts, 19ht, 7bk, 42.5fo%, 16:03 (82gms, 25gls, 57pts, 156ht, 57bk)
C Z.Smith (25): 8gms, 2gls, 2pts, 16ht, 2bk, 50.2fo%, 14:49 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 164ht, 21bk)
C D.Desharnais (27): 9gms, 0gls, 1pts, 2ht, 6bk, 54.0fo%, 15:00 (82gms, 0gls, 9pts, 18ht, 55bk)

W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W C.Greening (27): 8gms, 0gls, 3pts, 24ht, 3bk, 13:16 (82gms, 0gls, 31pts, 246ht, 31bk)
W R.Bourque (32): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 7ht, 1bk, 15:28 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts, 64ht, 9bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
W E.Condra (27): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 2ht, 9bk, 11:15 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 21ht, 92bk)
W D.Briere (36): 8gms, 1gls, 3pts, 4ht, 1bk, 13:47 (82gms, 10gls, 31pts, 41ht, 10bk)


C J.McClement (30): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 13ht, 4bk, 45.4fo%, 15:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 118ht, 36bk)
C J.Pageau (21): 7gms, 1gls, 1pts, 10ht, 1bk, 32.3fo%, 10:05 (82gms, 12gls, 12pts, 117ht, 12bk)
C B.Prust (29): 8gms, 2gls, 3pts, 12ht, 4bk, 33.3fo%, 13:07 (82gms, 21gls, 31pts, 123ht, 41bk)

W T.Bodie (28): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 8ht, 4bk, 6:28 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 109ht, 55bk)
W C.Neil (34): 8gms, 1gls, 1pts, 31ht, 0bk, 11:20 (82gms, 10gls, 10pts, 318ht, 0bk)
W T.Moen (31): 9gms, 0gls, 2pts, 13ht, 3bk, 11:22 (82gms, 0gls, 18pts, 118ht, 27bk)

W C.Orr (31): 10gms, 0gls, 0pts, 22ht, 3bk, 6:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 180ht, 25bk)
W M.Kassian (27): 5gms, 0gls, 0pts, 9ht, 0bk, 4:16 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 148ht, 0bk)
W G.Parros (34): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 0bk, 4:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)


C T.Smith (28): 4gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 38.1fo%, 4:31 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 41ht, 21bk)
C D.Grant (23): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 5:57 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
C R.White (25): 7gms, 0gls, 0pts, 14ht, 7bk, 57.1fo%, 10:01 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 82bk)

W J.Leivo (20): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 5ht, 0bk, 10:13 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 68ht, 0bk)
W S.DaCosta (24): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 2bk, 11:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 41bk)
W M.Bournival (21): 6gms, 1gls, 3pts, 5ht, 4bk, 52.9fo%, 9:17 (82gms, 14gls, 41pts, 68ht, 55bk)

W D.Broll (20): 5gms, 0gls, 1pts, 7ht, 2bk, 8:11 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 115ht, 33bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W P.Holland (21): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 100.0fo%, 6:26 (872gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)

W C.Ashton (22): 7gms, 0gls, 1pts, 10ht, 1bk, 6:06 (82gms, 0gls, 12pts, 117ht, 12bk)
W ------ (--): ------
W M.Blunden (26): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 2ht, 1bk, 6:36 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 82bk)





D D.Phaneuf (28): 10gms, 2gls, 5pts, 32ht, 20bk, 24:36 (82gms, 16gls, 41pts, 262ht, 164bk)
D E.Karlsson (23): 8gms, 2gls, 6pts, 11ht, 9bk, 27:46 (82gms, 21gls, 62pts, 113ht, 92bk)
D P.K.Subban (24): 9gms, 2gls, 11pts, 8ht, 11bk, 24:55 (82gms, 18gls, 100pts, 73ht, 100bk)

D C.Franson (26): 10gms, 0gls, 8pts, 30ht, 20bk, 21:41 (82gms, 0gls, 66pts, 246ht, 164bk)
D M.Methot (28): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 16ht, 5bk, 21:16 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts, 164ht, 51bk)
D A.Markov (35): 9gms, 1gls, 5pts, 6ht, 18bk, 24:42 (82gms, 9gls, 46pts, 55ht, 164bk)


D C.Gunnarsson (27): 10gms, 0gls, 1pts, 18ht, 28bk, 19:31 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts, 148ht, 230bk)
D C.Phillips (35): 8gms, 0gls, 2pts, 19ht, 11bk, 21:26 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 195ht, 113bk)
D J.Gorges (29): 9gms, 1gls, 3pts, 15ht, 25bk, 21:01 (82gms, 9gls, 27pts, 137ht, 228bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 15ht, 9bk, 19:41 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 123ht, 74bk)
D J.Cowen (22): 8gms, 1gls, 2pts, 22ht, 13bk, 19:00 (82gms, 10gls, 21pts, 225ht, 133bk)
D R.Diaz (28): 9gms, 0gls, 4pts, 3ht, 16bk, 20:52 (82gms, 0gls, 36pts, 27ht, 146bk)


D P.Ranger (29): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 26ht, 11bk, 19:28 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 213ht, 90bk)
D J.Corvo (36): 3gms, 0gls, 3pts, 0ht, 2bk, 14:36 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 0ht, 55bk)
D D.Murray (33): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)

D M.Rielly (19): 8gms, 0gls, 4pts, 18ht, 13bk, 18:00 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 185ht, 133bk)
D P.Wiercioch (23): 8gms, 0gls, 5pts, 8ht, 11bk, 17:15 (82gms, 0gls, 51pts, 82ht, 113bk)
D F.Bouillon (38): 9gms, 0gls, 2pts, 13ht, 12bk, 16:30 (82gms, 0gls, 18pts, 118ht, 109bk)


D M.Fraser (27): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 7ht, 3bk, 12:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 287ht, 123bk)
D E.Gryba (25): 5gms, 0gls, 0pts, 13ht, 8bk, 16:11 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 213ht, 131bk)
D M.Tinordi (21): 6gms, 0gls, 0pts, 8ht, 6bk, 12:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 109ht, 82bk)

D ------------- (--): ---
D ------------- (--): ---
D N.Beaulieu (21): 3gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 3bk, 11:13 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 27ht, 82bk)




G J.Bernier (25): 8gms, 5-3-0, 2.12gaa, 1so, .936sv%
G C.Anderson (32): 6gms, 3-1-2, 2.88gaa, 1so, .924sv%
G C.Price (26): 8gms, 4-4-0, 2.27gaa, 1so, .932sv%

G J.Reimer (25): 4gms, 2-0-0, 3.18gaa, 0so, .917sv%
G R.Lehner (22): 3gms, 0-2-0, 2.41gaa, 0so, .940sv%
G P.Budaj (31): 1gms, 1-0-0, 1.00gaa, 0so, .964sv%

Volcanologist
10-22-2013, 11:10 PM
Bozak sucks so much. Now he's not even winning faceoffs anymore.

Metalleaf
10-22-2013, 11:18 PM
He was 50% tonight

Wayward DP
10-23-2013, 10:44 AM
Nice to see Naz has the same FO% as Bozie.

MindzEye
10-23-2013, 11:13 AM
Nice to see Naz has the same FO% as Bozie.

Yep, but this makes me want to puke though:

Bozie is playing more than 5 minutes a game more than Naz....but:

RelCorsi:

Bozak: -7.9
Kadri: +12.0

QualComp

Bozak: 1.836
Kadri: 1.230

So basically....Kadri is facing lesser, but not a whole pile lesser levels of competition, but not only does he significantly outproduce Bozak during 5 on 5 situations, he's also significantly superior at possession proxy.

This gets even better when you look at zone starts (remember, the thing the pro Grabo crowd was crying about last year?)

Offensive Zone Starts/Finish

Bozak: 46.2/47.8
Kadri: 37.3/45.6

We pretty clearly see that the puck moves in the direction of the offensive zone pretty frequently when Naz is on.

....and that's all 5 on 5, what about the PP?

PPP/60

Bozak: 4.79
Kadri: 11.52

So yeah, Kadri has been more than twice as efficient offensively on the PP, but Bozak gets significantly more PP icetime with 3:20 to 2:39 a night.


Randy needs to start playing Kadri as his #1, it will make the team significantly better.

zeke
10-23-2013, 01:08 PM
Nice to see Naz has the same FO% as Bozie.

Bozie's still the one taking all the tough draws against the other team's top faceoff men, though.

zeke
10-23-2013, 01:11 PM
Kadri Icetime:

First 5gms: 14:57
Last 5gms: 17:51

It's coming.

And actually this might be the biggest boost of Clarkson joining the lineup - him on that line will make Randy play the Kadri line more minutes, even if it is for all the wrong reasons.

Montana
10-23-2013, 01:13 PM
Naz is our best center.....which is precisely why I'm glad Carlyle doesn't play him with Kessel and JVR, they don't need him to produce. Play him with Lupul and Clarkson, let them rack up points against teams second units, and we'll have a perfectly balanced top two units.

Randy simply has to play that 2nd unit more, and swap Bozak and Kadri's roles on the PP.....right now there's approximately a 3 minute discrepancy between the time they're both playing at ES and on the PP, and that should come closer to even.

Bozak deserves the extra two minutes per game he gets on the PK....and probably deserves maybe an extra minute at ES, given his superior proficiency on the draw and the value of having him out there late in close games. But it shouldn't be 3 minutes....and definitely shouldn't be 41 seconds on the PP.

Metalleaf
10-23-2013, 01:17 PM
2 first lines.

leafman101
10-23-2013, 01:30 PM
My biggest problem with Bozak has been his weak play down low in his own end. But he's been fine there this year. He's only been on the ice for 4 ES goals this year and has been matched up against the other teams top lines for the most part and played a shitload of minutes. Can't really complain about him so far.

Its that Naz/Lupul line that has gotten into some trouble defensively.

zeke
10-23-2013, 01:34 PM
The thing I think is most interesting is the PP.

It is extremely, extremely rare for a team to have two equally good (and I mean legitimately good, not just ok) PP units, but the Leafs seem to have it this year.

Normally I'd be screaming for Kadri and Lupul to be on the top PP unit......but having two top PP units is kind of awesome.

JVR-Bozak-Kessel
Phaneuf-Franson

Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson
Rielly-Gardiner

Hell, we even have a solid THIRD PP unit, really.

Raymond-Bolland-Kulemin
Gunnar-Ranger

It's pretty nuts

hockeylover
10-23-2013, 01:35 PM
I honestly can't decide what PP unit I like better. It's pretty much a toss up.

Montana
10-23-2013, 01:36 PM
I'm so f*cking pumped to see Lupul-Kadri-Clarkson.

worm
10-23-2013, 01:48 PM
keep the leaf talk out of this thread :p

Deckie007
10-23-2013, 07:46 PM
Record against common opponents: (Edmonton, Philly, Nashville, Anaheim, Ottawa, Montreal)

Toronto: 5-0 (beat Edmonton, Philly, Nashville, Anaheim, Ottawa, Montreal)
Montreal: 2-3 (beat Philly, Edmonton...lost to Nashville, Toronto, Edmonton)
Ottawa: 0-3 (lost to Toronto, Anaheim, Edmonton)

Just sayin'.

hockeylover
10-23-2013, 07:55 PM
W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 8gms, 5gls, 8pts, 15ht, 4bk, 21:03 (82gms, 51gls, 82pts, 154ht, 41bk)

Remember when JVR was supposed to significantly regress from last year's 55 point pace because of that high SH%?

Yeah. Don't hold your breath.

MindzEye
10-23-2013, 08:00 PM
I think that shot chart from the game against Anaheim, though only one game, did a good job of showing what the leafs have been talking about. Very few shots from outside of dots. In absence of a proper heat map, I'd love to see someone track all the shot chart data and give percentage values to the "zones" in the offensive end of the ice that teams shoot from. I would bet that Toronto would be among the top handful of teams from shots from the high slot in, between the dots, and really close to the bottom in anything below the high slot but outside of the dots.

Leafin'
10-23-2013, 08:08 PM
Just watching the Sens - Wings game, and i must say Jason Spezza is a sweet hockey player.

Should've jumped on him when he was going through that rift with the Sens organization years back.

Volcanologist
10-23-2013, 08:11 PM
yeah, like there is a chance in hell they'd ever trade him to the Leafs. come on.

Leafin'
10-23-2013, 08:16 PM
I was talking about before.

Yea i agree, no shot in hell. He's a frickin fantastic player to watch though. Sens are lucky to have a player of his skill.

I hate the sens btw.

JohnnyHolmes
10-23-2013, 10:26 PM
What rift?

worm
10-23-2013, 10:29 PM
dany vs jason ?

JohnnyHolmes
10-24-2013, 01:56 AM
dany vs jason ?

The make believe one.

JohnnyHolmes
10-24-2013, 02:56 AM
I was talking about before.

Yea i agree, no shot in hell. He's a frickin fantastic player to watch though. Sens are lucky to have a player of his skill.

I hate the sens btw.

http://i.imgur.com/W8O0eHS.jpg

Habsy
10-24-2013, 12:44 PM
Is there a goofier looking dufus in the league?

JaysCyYoung
10-24-2013, 01:01 PM
Is there a goofier looking dufus in the league?

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6835/cowen.jpg

hockeylover
10-24-2013, 01:07 PM
Oh wow.

Looks like they have a whole team of Kessels.

Montana
10-24-2013, 01:27 PM
http://i.imgur.com/W8O0eHS.jpg


awesome.

KingTucker
10-24-2013, 08:03 PM
The make believe one.

Also the time he got booed in the playoffs and allegedly asked Murray to look for trade options.
It's been rocky (heh) for him but it looks like the captaincy suits him so far.

zeke
10-24-2013, 11:20 PM
C T.Bozak (27): 10gms, 3gls, 5pts, 20ht, 8bk, 47.4fo%, 21:48 (82gms, 25gls, 41pts, 164ht, 66bk)
C J.Spezza (30): 8gms, 7gls, 10pts, 6ht, 2bk, 56.8fo%, 18:37 (82gms, 72gls, 103pts, 62ht, 21bk)
C T.Plekanec (31): 10gms, 5gls, 9pts, 7ht, 7bk, 48.3fo%, 18:26 (82gms, 41gls, 74pts, 57ht, 57bk)

W P.Kessel (26): 10gms, 5gls, 11pts, 7ht, 4bk, 20:40 (82gms, 41gls, 90pts, 57ht, 33bk)
W B.Ryan (26): 9gms, 6gls, 9pts, 21ht, 1bk, 17:01 (82gms, 55gls, 82pts, 191ht, 9bk)
W A.Galchenyuk (19): 10gms, 1gls, 8pts, 8ht, 7bk, 15:36 (82gms, 8gls, 66pts, 66ht, 57bk)

W J.Lupul (30): 10gms, 6gls, 10pts, 17ht, 4bk, 17:54 (82gms, 49gls, 82pts, 139ht, 33bk)
W M.Michalek (29): 9gms, 2gls, 5pts, 11ht, 3bk, 18:03 (82gms, 18gls, 46pts, 100ht, 27bk)
W M.Pacioretty (25): 5gms, 2gls, 3pts, 4ht, 5bk, 14:29 (82gms, 33gls, 49pts, 66ht, 82bk)


C N.Kadri (23): 10gms, 3gls, 8pts, 14ht, 3bk, 47.4fo%, 16:24 (82gms, 25gls, 66pts, 115ht, 25bk)
C K.Turris (24): 9gms, 1gls, 8pts, 4ht, 4bk, 43.9fo%, 18:55 (82gms, 9gls, 73pts, 36ht, 36bk)
C L.Eller (24): 10gms, 5gls, 8pts, 19ht, 6bk, 54.7fo%, 17:51 (82gms, 41gls, 66pts, 156ht, 49bk)

W J.VanRiemsdyk (24): 8gms, 5gls, 8pts, 15ht, 4bk, 21:03 (82gms, 51gls, 82pts, 154ht, 41bk)
W C.Conacher (24): 9gms, 2gls, 2pts, 6ht, 5bk, 13:57 (82gms, 18gls, 18pts, 55ht, 46bk)
W B.Gallagher (21): 10gms, 5gls, 7pts, 6ht, 5bk, 15:06 (82gms, 41gls, 57pts, 49ht, 41bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 10gms, 4gls, 8pts, 7ht, 2bk, 18:31 (82gms, 33gls, 66pts, 57ht, 16bk)
W C.MacArthur (28): 9gms, 0gls, 5pts, 13ht, 2bk, 17:31 (82gms, 0gls, 46pts, 118ht, 18bk)
W B.Gionta (35): 9gms, 3gls, 6pts, 4ht, 8bk, 16:40 (82gms, 27gls, 55pts, 36ht, 73bk)


C D.Bolland (27): 10gms, 3gls, 7pts, 19ht, 7bk, 42.5fo%, 16:03 (82gms, 25gls, 57pts, 156ht, 57bk)
C M.Zibanejad (20): 1gms, 0gls, 1pts, 1ht, 2bk, 25.0fo%, 11:13 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 82ht, 164bk)
C D.Desharnais (27): 10gms, 0gls, 1pts, 2ht, 6bk, 58.3fo%, 15:10 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts, 16ht, 49bk)

W N.Kulemin (27): 2gms, 0gls, 2pts, 4ht, 3bk, 15:50 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 164ht, 123bk)
W C.Greening (27): 9gms, 0gls, 3pts, 25ht, 3bk, 13:32 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 228ht, 27bk)
W R.Bourque (32): 10gms, 3gls, 4pts, 7ht, 2bk, 15:36 (82gms, 25gls, 33pts, 57ht, 16bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
W E.Condra (27): 9gms, 0gls, 3pts, 3ht, 9bk, 11:29 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 27ht, 82bk)
W D.Briere (36): 8gms, 1gls, 3pts, 4ht, 1bk, 13:47 (82gms, 10gls, 31pts, 41ht, 10bk)


C J.McClement (30): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 13ht, 4bk, 45.4fo%, 15:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 118ht, 36bk)
C Z.Smith (25): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 17ht, 2bk, 50.0fo%, 14:44 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts, 155ht, 18bk)
C B.Prust (29): 8gms, 2gls, 3pts, 12ht, 4bk, 33.3fo%, 13:07 (82gms, 21gls, 31pts, 123ht, 41bk)

W C.Orr (31): 10gms, 0gls, 0pts, 22ht, 3bk, 6:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 180ht, 25bk)
W C.Neil (34): 9gms, 1gls, 1pts, 33ht, 0bk, 11:31 (82gms, 9gls, 9pts, 301ht, 0bk)
W T.Moen (31): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 16ht, 3bk, 12:10 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 131ht, 25bk)

W F.McLaren (26): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)
W M.Kassian (27): 5gms, 0gls, 0pts, 9ht, 0bk, 4:16 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 148ht, 0bk)
W G.Parros (34): 1gms, 0gls, 0pts, 1ht, 0bk, 4:17 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 0bk)


C T.Smith (28): 4gms, 1gls, 1pts, 2ht, 1bk, 38.1fo%, 4:31 (82gms, 21gls, 21pts, 41ht, 21bk)
C S.DaCosta (24): 4gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 2bk, 11:27 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 82ht, 41bk)
C R.White (25): 8gms, 0gls, 0pts, 14ht, 7bk, 53.1fo%, 10:06 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 144ht, 72bk)

W T.Bodie (28): 6gms, 0gls, 2pts, 8ht, 4bk, 6:28 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 109ht, 55bk)
W D.Grant (23): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 4ht, 1bk, 8:22 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 41bk)
W M.Blunden (26): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 6ht, 1bk, 6:01 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 246ht, 41bk)

W J.Leivo (20): 6gms, 1gls, 2pts, 5ht, 0bk, 10:13 (82gms, 14gls, 27pts, 68ht, 0bk)
W J.Pageau (21): 7gms, 1gls, 1pts, 10ht, 1bk, 32.3fo%, 10:05 (82gms, 12gls, 12pts, 117ht, 12bk)
W M.Bournival (21): 7gms, 2gls, 5pts, 8ht, 4bk, 52.9fo%, 10:17 (82gms, 23gls, 59pts, 94ht, 47bk)





D D.Phaneuf (28): 10gms, 2gls, 5pts, 32ht, 20bk, 24:36 (82gms, 16gls, 41pts, 262ht, 164bk)
D E.Karlsson (23): 9gms, 2gls, 8pts, 12ht, 10bk, 27:34 (82gms, 18gls, 73pts, 109ht, 91bk)
D P.K.Subban (24): 10gms, 2gls, 11pts, 8ht, 11bk, 24:41 (82gms, 16gls, 90pts, 66ht, 90bk)

D C.Franson (26): 10gms, 0gls, 8pts, 30ht, 20bk, 21:41 (82gms, 0gls, 66pts, 246ht, 164bk)
D M.Methot (28): 9gms, 0gls, 2pts, 17ht, 8bk, 21:28 (82gms, 0gls, 18pts, 155ht, 73bk)
D A.Markov (35): 10gms, 1gls, 5pts, 6ht, 20bk, 24:57 (82gms, 8gls, 41pts, 49ht, 164bk)


D C.Gunnarsson (27): 10gms, 0gls, 1pts, 18ht, 28bk, 19:31 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts, 148ht, 230bk)
D C.Phillips (35): 9gms, 0gls, 3pts, 19ht, 12bk, 21:01 (82gms, 0gls, 27pts, 173ht, 109bk)
D J.Gorges (29): 10gms, 1gls, 4pts, 16ht, 28bk, 20:57 (82gms, 8gls, 33pts, 131ht, 230bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 15ht, 9bk, 19:41 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 123ht, 74bk)
D J.Cowen (22): 9gms, 2gls, 3pts, 26ht, 14bk, 19:04 (82gms, 18gls, 27pts, 237ht, 128bk)
D R.Diaz (28): 10gms, 0gls, 4pts, 4ht, 18bk, 20:45 (82gms, 0gls, 33pts, 33ht, 148bk)


D P.Ranger (29): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 26ht, 11bk, 19:28 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 213ht, 90bk)
D J.Corvo (36): 4gms, 0gls, 4pts, 1ht, 2bk, 14:38 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 21ht, 41bk)
D F.Bouillon (38): 10gms, 0gls, 2pts, 14ht, 15bk, 16:41 (82gms, 0gls, 16pts, 115ht, 123bk)

D M.Rielly (19): 8gms, 0gls, 4pts, 18ht, 13bk, 18:00 (82gms, 0gls, 41pts, 185ht, 133bk)
D P.Wiercioch (23): 8gms, 0gls, 5pts, 8ht, 11bk, 17:15 (82gms, 0gls, 51pts, 82ht, 113bk)
D N.Beaulieu (21): 4gms, 0gls, 1pts, 1ht, 4bk, 11:20 (82gms, 0gls, 21pts, 21ht, 82bk)


D M.Fraser (27): 2gms, 0gls, 0pts, 7ht, 3bk, 12:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 287ht, 123bk)
D E.Gryba (25): 6gms, 1gls, 1pts, 14ht, 9bk, 16:39 (82gms, 14gls, 14pts, 191ht, 123bk)
D D.Murray (33): 0gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk, 0:00 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 0ht, 0bk)





G J.Bernier (25): 8gms, 5-3-0, 2.12gaa, 1so, .936sv%
G C.Anderson (32): 7gms, 4-1-2, 2.58gaa, 1so, .930sv%
G C.Price (26): 9gms, 5-4-0, 2.13gaa, 1so, .936sv%

G J.Reimer (25): 4gms, 2-0-0, 3.18gaa, 0so, .917sv%
G R.Lehner (22): 3gms, 0-2-0, 2.41gaa, 0so, .940sv%
G P.Budaj (31): 1gms, 1-0-0, 1.00gaa, 0so, .964sv%

corksens
10-25-2013, 10:02 AM
"Soft" Sens top line (w/ can't skate Bobby Ryan) on pace to drastically out hit the Leafs top line.

"Soft" Karlsson on pace to drastically outhit tough guy Subban.

corksens
10-25-2013, 10:03 AM
Unsustainable Sens goaltending continues...hovers above .930%.

LeafGm
10-25-2013, 10:12 AM
"Soft" Sens top line (w/ can't skate Bobby Ryan) on pace to drastically out hit the Leafs top line.

"Soft" Karlsson on pace to drastically outhit tough guy Subban.
Your top line is on pace to out-hit a line that includes Phil Kessel and Tyler Bozak?

Congrats, you must be pretty proud about that one.

MindzEye
10-25-2013, 10:15 AM
"Soft" Sens top line (w/ can't skate Bobby Ryan) on pace to drastically out hit the Leafs top line.

You might want to check your math. Subbing out Lupul from the "top" line and subbing in JVR, and that Leaf 3 some is on pace for 376 hits, to Ottawa's top line's 353.


"Soft" Karlsson on pace to drastically outhit tough guy Subban.

He's good for the odd bone cruncher, but I've brought it up to Montreal fans before, Subban isn't that physical. With that said, 66 hits from Subban is more of a physical deterrent than 109 from Karlsson imo. I'd much rather be hit 109 times by paper soft Karl than hit 66 times by PK.

MindzEye
10-25-2013, 10:18 AM
Your top line is on pace to out-hit a line that includes Phil Kessel and Tyler Bozak?

Congrats, you must be pretty proud about that one.

Best part is, they're not on pace to out hit Phil Kessel & Tyler Bozak, and other than whatever line Neil is on, none of the others would be that close to it's Leaf counterpart.....aaaand let's not even get into the blueline.

MindzEye
10-25-2013, 10:20 AM
Unsustainable Sens goaltending continues...hovers above .930%.

Call me when Craig Anderson maintains that type of SV% over 45+ games, and Lehner has done the same over 20-25+.

corksens
10-25-2013, 11:00 AM
Your top line is on pace to out-hit a line that includes Phil Kessel and Tyler Bozak?

Congrats, you must be pretty proud about that one.Hey, I'm not the one that has criticized the top line for being soft, that's zeke.

corksens
10-25-2013, 11:01 AM
With that said, 66 hits from Subban is more of a physical deterrent than 109 from Karlsson imo. I'd much rather be hit 109 times by paper soft Karl than hit 66 times by PK.Only cuz you love BBB's.

MindzEye
10-25-2013, 11:13 AM
I believe the term is...BBC

MindzEye
10-25-2013, 11:14 AM
Hey, I'm not the one that has criticized the top line for being soft, that's zeke.

Any line being outhit by Kessel, Bozak, & JVR is soft.

KingTucker
10-25-2013, 11:25 AM
And of course Michalek and Spezza trail their second line counterparts in CORSI For (Milan Michalek 46.5% and Jason Spezza 45.6% versus Kyle Turris 61.2%, Clarke MacArthur 64.3% at 5 on 5 close situations) so it makes sense they need to hit the opposition more...

zeke
10-25-2013, 11:57 AM
"Soft" Sens top line (w/ can't skate Bobby Ryan) on pace to drastically out hit the Leafs top line.

?

Bozak/Kessel/JVR: 10gms, 42ht
Spezza/Ryan/Michalek: 9gms, 38ht

trujaysfan
10-25-2013, 12:07 PM
?

Bozak/Kessel/JVR: 10gms, 42ht
Spezza/Ryan/Michalek: 9gms, 38ht

4.2 hits per
vs.
4.22 hits per

that .02 hits per game much be bone jarring

corksens
10-25-2013, 12:13 PM
?

Bozak/Kessel/JVR: 10gms, 42ht
Spezza/Ryan/Michalek: 9gms, 38hta) you have Lupul lined up in the top-3.

b) I thought Ryan was a soft perimeter player?

leaffan2005
10-25-2013, 12:19 PM
Ryan is a soft perimeter player. Anyone with two eyes can see that. Pretty much fact at this point, not sure what the dispute is about.

zeke
10-25-2013, 12:24 PM
a) you have Lupul lined up in the top-3.

b) I thought Ryan was a soft perimeter player?

well lupul has more hits than JVR.

Bozak/Kessel/Lupul: 10gms, 44ht
Spezza/Ryan/Michalek: 9gms, 38ht

corksens
10-25-2013, 12:30 PM
Ryan is a soft perimeter player. Anyone with two eyes can see that. Pretty much fact at this point, not sure what the dispute is about.Hasn't been for Ottawa since game 2.

leaffan2005
10-25-2013, 12:34 PM
Hasn't been for Ottawa since game 2.

I will trust a much larger sample size than 8 games this season. Ryan has always been a soft perimeter player going back to his days in junior. Difference is he got away with it then and on Anaheim to an extent because he was never the top guy.

Habsy
10-25-2013, 02:12 PM
I don't trust "hits" stats anyway. Highly subjective depending on each arenas scorekeeper. Always has been.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-25-2013, 02:15 PM
Unsustainable Sens goaltending continues...hovers above .930%.

Problem is, they're only playing at a 98 point pace with that incredible goaltending. Need to take better advantage of that type of goaltending because chances are, it will drop as the season progresses.

Montana
10-25-2013, 03:16 PM
I don't trust "hits" stats anyway. Highly subjective depending on each arenas scorekeeper. Always has been.

Yep. Not to mention all hits aren't remotely created equal.


Makes for a pretty pointless debate/discussion.

corksens
10-25-2013, 03:41 PM
Problem is, they're only playing at a 98 point pace with that incredible goaltending. Need to take better advantage of that type of goaltending because chances are, it will drop as the season progresses.Or it will plateau when we aren't playing top teams for 80% of the time.

PlayerToBeNamedLater
10-25-2013, 03:47 PM
Or it will plateau when we aren't playing top teams for 80% of the time.

Only 5 of the Sens 9 games have come against playoff teams from last year. They've played nearly 45% of their games against teams that were near the bottom of the league last year -- BUFF, NJ, PHO, EDM.

It hasn't been easy stretch with all the early road games, but it's not been as tough you're pretending it is.

Leafin'
10-25-2013, 04:36 PM
Bobby Ryan is a fantastic player, he doens't need to throw his body around to be effective.

Hits are stupid stat to put any value on.