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zeke
01-09-2014, 02:08 PM
Jealous of the Canes' young, skilled 4th line.

Leaf Killer Eric Staal is out, so that should be a good thing.

Ward is also out, but that's probably a bad thing, because his backups have been way way better than him.

If we lose, we drop out of a playoff spot.


Line 1

C T.Bozak (27): 20gms, 6gls, 17pts, 35ht, 16bk, 20:56 (82gms, 25gls, 70pts, 144ht, 66bk) - 48.0fo%
C J.Skinner (21): 32gms, 20gls, 33pts, 8ht, 1bk, 17:02 (82gms, 51gls, 85pts, 21ht, 3bk) - 48.4fo%

W P.Kessel (26): 44gms, 20gls, 38pts, 17ht, 10bk, 20:17 (82gms, 37gls, 71pts, 32ht, 19bk)
W A.Semin (29): 31gms, 6gls, 18pts, 17ht, 18bk, 19:43 (82gms, 16gls, 48pts, 45ht, 48bk)

W J.VanRyk (24): 42gms, 15gls, 31pts, 75ht, 12bk, 20:57 (82gms, 29gls, 61pts, 146ht, 23bk)
W T.Ruutu (30): 38gms, 4gls, 12pts, 116ht, 27bk, 15:29 (82gms, 9gls, 26pts, 250ht, 58bk)

Line 2

C N.Kadri (23): 40gms, 11gls, 25pts, 83ht, 19bk, 17:40 (82gms, 23gls, 51pts, 170ht, 39bk) - 43.6fo%
C J.Staal (25): 43gms, 9gls, 20pts, 99ht, 19bk, 19:07 (82gms, 17gls, 38pts, 189ht, 36bk) - 51.1fo%

W J.Lupul (30): 35gms, 13gls, 23pts, 69ht, 12bk, 18:18 (82gms, 31gls, 54pts, 162ht, 28bk)
W N.Gerbe (26): 43gms, 9gls, 20pts, 24ht, 9bk, 17:39 (82gms, 17gls, 38pts, 46ht, 17bk)

W M.Raymond (28): 44gms, 12gls, 27pts, 20ht, 12bk, 17:50 (82gms, 22gls, 50pts, 37ht, 22bk)
W P.Dwyer (30): 40gms, 4gls, 12pts, 62ht, 30bk, 11:56 (82gms, 8gls, 25pts, 127ht, 62bk)

Line 3

C J.McClem (30): 43gms, 1gls, 5pts, 83ht, 28bk, 16:45 (82gms, 2gls, 10pts, 158ht, 53bk) - 54.6fo%
C M.Malhotra (33): 31gms, 4gls, 8pts, 43ht, 31bk, 13:27 (82gms, 11gls, 21pts, 114ht, 82bk) - 59.6fo%

W N.Kulemin (27): 32gms, 5gls, 11pts, 67ht, 30bk, 15:59 (82gms, 13gls, 28pts, 172ht, 77bk)
W R.Dvorak (36): 37gms, 3gls, 6pts, 10ht, 13bk, 11:55 (82gms, 7gls, 13pts, 22ht, 29bk)

W J.D'Amigo (22): 16gms, 1gls, 2pts, 17ht, 4bk, 8:18 (82gms, 5gls, 10pts, 87ht, 21bk)
W D.Bowman (24): 40gms, 3gls, 7pts, 28ht, 9bk, 10:52 (82gms, 6gls, 14pts, 57ht, 19bk)

Line 4

C C.Ashton (22): 18gms, 0gls, 1pts, 31ht, 4bk, 7:17 (82gms, 0gls, 5pts, 141ht, 18bk) - 44.4fo%
C B.Sutter (26): 15gms, 1gls, 1pts, 30ht, 1bk, 7:23 (82gms, 6gls, 6pts, 164ht, 6bk) - 49.2fo%

W C.Orr (31): 32gms, 0gls, 0pts, 74ht, 7bk, 6:03 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 190ht, 18bk)
W E.Lindholm (19): 21gms, 3gls, 7pts, 13ht, 6bk, 11:58 (82gms, 12gls, 27pts, 51ht, 23bk)

W F.McLaren (26): 21gms, 0gls, 0pts, 22ht, 3bk, 4:29 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 86ht, 12bk)
W Z.Boychuk (24): 7gms, 0gls, 2pts, 12ht, 1bk, 9:08 (82gms, 0gls, 23pts, 141ht, 12bk)




Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (28): 42gms, 4gls, 17pts, 109ht, 81bk, 24:22 (82gms, 8gls, 33pts, 213ht, 158bk)
D J.Faulk (21): 43gms, 3gls, 16pts, 62ht, 68bk, 24:10 (82gms, 6gls, 31pts, 118ht, 130bk)

D T.Gleason (30): 18gms, 0gls, 1pts, 48ht, 19bk, 15:53 (82gms, 0gls, 5pts, 219ht, 87bk)
D A.Sekera (27): 41gms, 7gls, 24pts, 30ht, 65bk, 23:48 (82gms, 14gls, 48pts, 60ht, 130bk)

Pair 2

D C.Franson (26): 42gms, 2gls, 20pts, 159ht, 66bk, 21:34 (82gms, 4gls, 39pts, 310ht, 129bk)
D B.Bellemore (25): 32gms, 1gls, 3pts, 103ht, 50bk, 18:10 (82gms, 3gls, 8pts, 264ht, 128bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 43gms, 2gls, 13pts, 67ht, 44bk, 21:39 (82gms, 4gls, 25pts, 128ht, 84bk)
D J.Harrison (31): 32gms, 2gls, 7pts, 71ht, 39bk, 15:38 (82gms, 5gls, 18pts, 182ht, 100bk)

Pair 3

D M.Rielly (19): 35gms, 1gls, 12pts, 61ht, 53bk, 18:00 (82gms, 2gls, 28pts, 143ht, 124bk)
D R.Murphy (20): 37gms, 2gls, 11pts, 17ht, 46bk, 18:32 (82gms, 4gls, 24pts, 38ht, 102bk)

D P.Ranger (29): 36gms, 2gls, 9pts, 81ht, 46bk, 18:55 (82gms, 5gls, 21pts, 185ht, 105bk)
D J.Liles (33): 9gms, 0gls, 0pts, 18ht, 15bk, 16:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 164ht, 137bk)



Starting Goalies

G J.Reimer (25): 19gms, 8-5-1, 2.89gaa, 1so, .923sv%
G A.Khudobin (27): 6gms, 5-0-0, 1.99gaa, 0so, .940sv%

Backup Goalies

G J.Bernier (25): 31gms, 13-13-4, 2.58gaa, 1so, .926sv%
G J.Peters (27): 20gms, 7-9-4, 2.38gaa, 1so, .922sv%



Unavailable

C D.Bolland (27): 15gms, 6gls, 10pts, 26ht, 9bk, 16:15 (82gms, 33gls, 55pts, 142ht, 49bk) - 41.3fo%
W D.Clarkson (29): 31gms, 3gls, 8pts, 94ht, 21bk, 16:35 (82gms, 8gls, 21pts, 249ht, 56bk)
C T.Smith (28): 24gms, 4gls, 9pts, 40ht, 15bk, 10:50 (82gms, 14gls, 31pts, 137ht, 51bk) - 45.9fo%
D C.Gunnar (27): 43gms, 0gls, 4pts, 95ht, 96bk, 19:44 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts, 181ht, 183bk)

C E.Staal (29): 42gms, 10gls, 35pts, 32ht, 14bk, 20:29 (82gms, 20gls, 68pts, 63ht, 27bk) - 50.7fo%
C R.Nash (24): 36gms, 4gls, 10pts, 36ht, 9bk, 11:42 (82gms, 9gls, 23pts, 82ht, 21bk) - 45.5fo%
W J.Tlusty (25): 37gms, 6gls, 10pts, 47ht, 25bk, 14:43 (82gms, 13gls, 22pts, 104ht, 55bk)
D R.Hainsey (32): 43gms, 3gls, 10pts, 50ht, 63bk, 21:19 (82gms, 6gls, 19pts, 95ht, 120bk)
G C.Ward (29): 19gms, 6-7-5, 3.15gaa, 0so, .895sv%

Killer93
01-09-2014, 02:12 PM
wish we had a playable 4th line; tonight is a must win

hockeylover
01-09-2014, 02:51 PM
I'm at work tonight. Win is coming.

MyNameIsJonas
01-09-2014, 02:53 PM
Are you jealous of the other 3 lines?

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 05:18 PM
wish we had a playable 4th line; tonight is a must win

We do, they're with the Marlies.

Wayward DP
01-09-2014, 05:23 PM
Remember when people wanted to acquire Jordan Staal? Real glad we didn't...

LeafGm
01-09-2014, 06:23 PM
Remember when people wanted to acquire Jordan Staal? Real glad we didn't...
I was always totally baffled how anyone figured that guy was anything more than great 3rd line center and OK 2nd line center that's good for 40-50 points. A combination of wishful thinking and reading too much into his last name.

...now watch the bastard score a hat trick against us or something.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 06:39 PM
Liles will score tonight.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 06:53 PM
Gardiner scratched for Fraser….can we please fire Randy?

CRL
01-09-2014, 06:53 PM
Gardiner scratched for Fraser….can we please fire Randy?

LOL

zeke
01-09-2014, 06:54 PM
randy is such a piece of shit.

rated
01-09-2014, 06:54 PM
Gardiner has sucked shit lately, but getting Fraser in is not the answer lol

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 06:57 PM
So he either plays 20+ min or he sits... basically no in between this season

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:00 PM
I think Randy is challenging Nonis to fire him. Nonis challenged him by sending down Holland, now he's firing back with Fraser.

it's ****ing embarassing, really.

Deckie007
01-09-2014, 07:00 PM
Too much skill in the lineup with Gardiner, need to give the 'Canes a chance. How bad do the Leafs need to fall on their faces to fire Randy? Would missing the playoffs be enough, 'cause our young players' progression has really stagnated this year.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:02 PM
Totally frustrating to be a fan of this team this season. Such questionable coaching calls its unreal

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:02 PM
Nonis may be willing to wait longer than Tim L would. If things are not going right Tim L will make the call and get things done.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:03 PM
It's an interesting tactic, to get slower and stupider. Let's see how it pans out.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:04 PM
I would dress MacWilliam, Brennan, Ranger, Gleason before giving Fraser a sniff of the ice

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:05 PM
Gunnar with Franson.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:06 PM
Fraser's first shift - giveaway the puck in the o-zone with a weakass shot after a nice zone setup, then completely leave his man on the rush wide open in front of the net.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:06 PM
heh.

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:07 PM
Neither goaltender is good anymore

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:07 PM
nice backcheck clarkson.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:07 PM
lol this team is so ****ing ****ed.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:07 PM
Interesting start. Gleason lost.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:08 PM
hahahaha

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:08 PM
panic time.

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:08 PM
Fck it let goon this one up at least

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:09 PM
Bozak literally just stood there. no passion. no motivation.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:09 PM
pathetic goal on reimer. give me a break.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:09 PM
at least kulemin is back on the Kadri line.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:10 PM
At least ****ing show some emotion.

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 07:10 PM
Outshot 5-1 after 4:00 of play. If I were Reimer/Bernier I'd ask for danger pay. This team isn't making the playoffs without a major change.

domi4president
01-09-2014, 07:10 PM
How does this team get hemmed in their own end so freaking badly so often?

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:10 PM
Time to give ashton some real time... has been scoring a ton in the AHL give him some time to show what he can do

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:10 PM
pathetic goal on reimer. give me a break.

yep, wide open point blank shot from the slot. totally pathetic.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:10 PM
The complete lack of effort and passion as well as the laziness is just disgusting. Seems like everyone has given up

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:11 PM
****ing fraser.

hilarious.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:12 PM
Finally get offensive zone draw and what does Randy do….4th line and 3rd d-pairing.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:12 PM
Fraser is not good at hockey.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:12 PM
They all look unbelievably lost. The whole team.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:12 PM
hit the net dion.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:13 PM
Finally get offensive zone draw and what does Randy do….4th line and 3rd d-pairing.

well you can't trust them with defensive zone draws.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:13 PM
please fire randy. this is so ****ing bad.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:14 PM
yep, wide open point blank shot from the slot. totally pathetic.

weak unscreened backhand from the Canes 4th liner.

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:14 PM
Reimer>

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:15 PM
and I'm so happy it was their young skilled 4th line who scored on us.

**** you randy.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:15 PM
weak unscreened backhand from the Canes 4th liner.

unscreened.

heh.

breakaways are also unscreened.

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 07:15 PM
please fire randy. this is so ****ing bad.

OR waive Fraser & co. GM can force the coach's hand by making him play Holland, Rielly, Gardiner, etc.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:16 PM
please fire randy. this is so ****ing bad.

heh, you're realizing it too eh. I was called so many ****ing names by the homers in this forum for even suggesting it long time ago. It was reality 15 games ago, but many here seem to just turn a blind eye to something that is staring them in the face.

This team is NOT playing for the coach. That much is evident. Absolutely no passion, no drive, no strategy ...they look dead.

But....nonis will not fire Randy. Its personnel changes or bust for this season.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:17 PM
holy **** fraser.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:17 PM
LOL!!!

Feyd
01-09-2014, 07:17 PM
It's like watching an ECHL team.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:17 PM
pull him, randy, I ****ing dare you.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:18 PM
2-0 Canes after a Fraser giveaway on PK

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:18 PM
HAHA FRASER.

Randy's thought "Lets try to play better defense.....hmm Fraser you're in"

**** YOU

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 07:18 PM
But....nonis will not fire Randy. Its personnel changes or bust for this season.

FWIW Dreger said earlier if the Leafs miss the playoffs, all levels of the organization will be under review. So we may end up with a new GM (!), coach, etc..and 2-0 Canes. Yay! :(

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:18 PM
Too easy.

MyNameIsJonas
01-09-2014, 07:18 PM
does Fraser wear skates or running shoes?

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:18 PM
Getting lit up again.... Reimer has actually been very good so far making a few rather large saves. Yet we are down 2 less than 10 into the game

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:18 PM
unscreened.

heh.

breakaways are also unscreened.

and another big fat reimer rebound for goal #2.

bad goal reimsy.

Leafyblue
01-09-2014, 07:19 PM
Randy's last game?

Hoss
01-09-2014, 07:19 PM
That puck was actually not going in. Not blaming Reimer at all but he knocked that in. Again not blaming him at all but our play is gross. Completely lackadaisical.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:20 PM
I really want to hear the thoughts of TH and leafman101 on this.

You really think this team is a playoff team? Really? Really?

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:20 PM
http://mapleleafshotstove.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Randy_Carlyle_0410_NP-600x320.jpg

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:20 PM
Hard to call a puck off the bar as a rebound, although I guess technically it is.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:21 PM
Another sign of how bad this team is right now is how much we ice the puck.

jesus christ.

Hoss
01-09-2014, 07:21 PM
You do have to question how often the puck doesn't flucking go into his glove. Why does it always seem to fly out.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:21 PM
heh. reimer's made like 8 great saves and we're still down 2. this is ****ing unreal.

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:21 PM
Carolina Globetrotters vs the Toronto Generals so far

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:21 PM
Our defence is a joke right now, holy crap

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:22 PM
**** that was a crazy save by khudobin.

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 07:22 PM
I really want to hear the thoughts of TH and leafman101 on this.

You really think this team is a playoff team? Really? Really?

This team would get bent over by Boston or Pittsburgh. Annihilated. It's better if they miss the playoffs at this point, there would be a full evaluation of personnel and on from there. Sucks because I love the Leafs but this is just awful stuff. Awful coaching, awful defensive zone play, careless forward play and our goalies, the only ones doing their jobs, are left to dry.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:22 PM
Fraser falls over with no one around!

Feyd
01-09-2014, 07:22 PM
Even I'm a better skater than Fraser. Good lord.

Hoss
01-09-2014, 07:22 PM
Holy jeez. See Fraser fall there? Wtf???????

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:23 PM
Bunch of pylons. What a team.

Hoss
01-09-2014, 07:24 PM
Laviolette wouldn't be a bad call. He has a shelf life as well but usually his first two years are pretty damn good

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:24 PM
This team would get bent over by Boston or Pittsburgh. Annihilated. It's better if they miss the playoffs at this point, there would be a full evaluation of personnel and on from there. Sucks because I love the Leafs but this is just awful stuff. Awful coaching, awful defensive zone play, careless forward play and our goalies, the only ones doing their jobs, are left to dry.

Yeahhh...we have to make the playoffs for that to happen.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:25 PM
Does Randy want to get fired? Maybe he does.

hockeylover
01-09-2014, 07:25 PM
We don't deserve to make the playoffs.

I said it. We don't deserve it. We're handing our playoff spot away on a silver ****ing platter. Disgusting.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:26 PM
nice long commercial break - that's randy's cue to put out the 4th line.

that's his go-to move.

****ing piece of shit.

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:26 PM
Ashton at least trying to mix it up

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:27 PM
I am calling all you guys out that name-called any person that would dare suggest that this team needs better coaching. You know who you are.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:27 PM
his first game was a fluke - Gleason is awful.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:27 PM
For **** sake I can't watch this lol

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:28 PM
WOW, even the new guy Gleason is sucking. Just lackadaisical and ****ing pathetic.

OMG I want to turn it off but this is like watching a car wreck I cant look away. :banghead::banghead::banghead:

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:28 PM
at least we're outhitting them 11-1.

toughness >

Feyd
01-09-2014, 07:29 PM
The whole team looks like absolute shit tonight.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:30 PM
outhitting them 13-1 now.

woot.

Wayward DP
01-09-2014, 07:30 PM
Missed the first period, sounds like I was lucky...

domi4president
01-09-2014, 07:30 PM
So much truculence.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:31 PM
Bingo. That has to go to our legs now.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:31 PM
LUPES please wake up now! 2-1

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:31 PM
lupul willing them out of it

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:31 PM
my god. huge goal by loops.

we were looking dead and buried.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:31 PM
Kadri did a great job there too

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 07:31 PM
OH MY GAWD JOFFREY, WHY ARE YOU HELPING RANDY KEEP HIS JOB???

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:32 PM
Kulemin with Bozak and Kessel

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:32 PM
something really bugged me during 24/7 about randy. I couldn't pin point it. Chubby little guy making unfunny jokes and then awkwardly looking at the camera surrounded by silence.

and then it came to me - this is our coach:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQyy4KDCcvJeu_V5jZV-c48TtZayWHDvmCrBD9qB4JhCqT45vy2Q

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:32 PM
his first game was a fluke - Gleason is awful.

Meanwhile Liles has been +5 as a Cane so far giving them useful 3rd pair minutes.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:32 PM
This is where having a black hole fourth line is a killer. You can only roll 3 lines and wear our big guys out.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:33 PM
looks like loops wants to be a leader tonight.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:34 PM
This is where having a black hole fourth line is a killer. You can only roll 3 lines and wear our big guys out.

you forget that our 3rd line is also a black hole offensively.

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
3-1 Carolina

Feyd
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Dun dun dun.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Meh, D'Amigo and JVR can generate chances assuming Kulemin is on the first line.

Edit: shit.

trujaysfan
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
****ing **** **** **** **** **** ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Cody Franson sucks shit

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
Franson with three glaring mistakes on that one.

but he hits a lot, so it's ok.

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 07:36 PM
:knife: :banghead: :drink

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:37 PM
Randy looked like he was about to blow a blood vessel.

ALL OF THE LEAFs just ****ing stood there. Is this even hockey? I can do that and you dont have to pay me 4 million.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:37 PM
They're either waiting for a trade or Randy to get fired.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:39 PM
nice hands mcclement.

and hey guys have you heard about clarkson's contract?

LeafOfFaith
01-09-2014, 07:39 PM
Carlyle = crap.

Been saying it for a while. None of the players want Bad Grandpa around anymore. It's so obvious.

Feyd
01-09-2014, 07:40 PM
Bench Franson. Give Fraser his minutes.

Oh, wait a minute... :drink

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 07:40 PM
I'm waiting for Reimer to go Patrick Roy on Carlyle. Too bad it's not at the ACC. Not that I want Reimer gone, but it's a matter of time before something breaks.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:40 PM
http://wpmedia.sports.nationalpost.com/2013/01/nonis1.jpg?w=620

JaysCyYoung
01-09-2014, 07:40 PM
Bring him back:

http://www.baseball-cards.com/jpgs/h/h1969o-186.jpg

Killer93
01-09-2014, 07:42 PM
I think this game has caused our board to snap. And yes, everytime I see Clarkson I am reminded we have another 7 years of this

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 07:42 PM
What a thoroughgoing cluster****.

Amazing that the brilliant decision to demote Holland didn't light a fire.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:44 PM
http://www.forumice.com/showthread.php?59736-GDT-Detroit-Toronto-7pm/page5

heh

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:44 PM
http://static.bbci.co.uk/programmeimages/528xn/generic/theoffice/david-brent2.jpg

LeafGm
01-09-2014, 07:44 PM
Well, count me in on the fire Randy bandwagon. Big flip-flop from a few days ago, but I can't even watch this shit anymore.

Between sitting Gardiner for the likes of Fraser, the baffling way he's chosen to handle the fourth line, Bernier's status as the Golden Boy, his continuing man-crush on McClement and his inability to get this team playing anything resembling hockey halfway into this season, I'm done. Get his ass out of here. I don't even know who you get to replace him, but get him and the entire coaching staff gone ASAP.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:45 PM
It's amazing that since the first lockout the Leafs have steadfastly refused to just dress their best line-up

Feyd
01-09-2014, 07:45 PM
I'm trying to remember if the Leafs were this bad when Wilson got axed

MindzEye
01-09-2014, 07:46 PM
Firing Carlyle is the only hope for this season right now.

There, I said it.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:46 PM
Well, count me in on the fire Randy bandwagon. Big flip-flop from a few days ago, but I can't even watch this shit anymore.

Between sitting Gardiner for the likes of Fraser, the baffling way he's chosen to handle the fourth line, Bernier's status as the Golden Boy, his continuing man-crush on McClement and his inability to get this team playing anything resembling hockey halfway into this season, I'm done. Get his ass out of here. I don't even know who you get to replace him, but get him and the entire coaching staff gone ASAP.

welcome about to the #reality bandwagon

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:46 PM
Phaneuf 8:24 (25:12)
Gleason 6:42 (20:06)

Franson 8:48 (26:24)
Gunnar 6:30 (19:30)

Rielly 5:18 (15:54)
Fraser 4:18 (12:54)

MindzEye
01-09-2014, 07:47 PM
It's amazing that since the first lockout the Leafs have steadfastly refused to just dress their best line-up

It really is. How hard is it to play your best players? How hard is it to play young hockey players with a future instead of goons and assorted AHL plugs on your 4th line?

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:47 PM
I can proudly say I was the first on this board to suggest firing Randy....last year.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 07:47 PM
Franson leading the team in minutes is baffling.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:49 PM
I can proudly say I was the first on this board to suggest firing Randy....last year.

I have bookmarked the "Will this team make the playoffs" and "Fire carlyle" thread where people were chastised for calling for a coaching change and suggesting that the status quo is just horrid.

Only a few people actually went against the grain against many frequent posters of this board.

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 07:50 PM
Between, the goaltending issue, the attempt to transform puck controllers into goons, the overusage of McClement, the inability to get the team ready for games, the getting them to turtle when holding a late lead, making a bunch of good puck movers play dump and chase, giving opponents free reign on the points ... and his general douchebaggery, fire the turd.

zeke
01-09-2014, 07:51 PM
Bozak 7:54 (23:42) - 50%
Kessel 7:33 (22:39)
JVR 6:57 (20:51)

McClement 7:13 (21:39) - 33%
Kulemin 6:00 (18:00)
Clarkson 4:47 (14:21)

Kadri 4:54 (14:42) - 60%
Lupul 4:52 (14:36)
Raymond 5:20 (16:00)

Ashton 0:40 (2:00) - 50%
D'Amigo 1:38 (5:54)
Orr 0:33 (1:39)

McClement gonna play 20+ minutes tonight. hilar.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 07:53 PM
So what changed between last year and this year?

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 07:59 PM
So what changed between last year and this year?

Komarov, McCarthur, and Grabo have never looked better. Really? Removing these guys and adding other dudes makes that much of a difference? Mind-boggling really.

Deckie007
01-09-2014, 08:00 PM
So what changed between last year and this year?

Fluky shortened season?

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:00 PM
first line has a great shift in the O-zone....fraser comes out - first touch giveaway to ruin the rpessure.

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 08:02 PM
I'm trying to remember if the Leafs were this bad when Wilson got axed

They were much, much worse. We'd get blown out by Boston 8-1 or whatever, squeak out the odd game and almost never win decisively. The team has improved but it's still not the right mix of players and coaching.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:03 PM
holy **** it enrages me seeing fraser on the ice.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:03 PM
Liles.

the best.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
01-09-2014, 08:03 PM
4-1

Feyd
01-09-2014, 08:03 PM
Nice pinch by Franson there

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
01-09-2014, 08:03 PM
HAHAHA LILES!

FU Randy!

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:04 PM
more beauty from fraser there. just an awesome player.

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 08:04 PM
Aahahahhahahahahahahahaaha.

Such delicious irony. I genuinely feel bad for James.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 08:04 PM
Of course it's Liles. Franson waaaaay out of position.

Deckie007
01-09-2014, 08:04 PM
I don't wanna watch anymore.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:04 PM
Liles will score tonight.

I AM BUYING THE ****ING LOTTERY.

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 08:04 PM
Kadri with Orr ... brilliant.

Good to see Liles doing well. Good guy.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 08:05 PM
heh. Liles scores, naturally.

doesn't Gleason make more money, too?

MikeRofalis
01-09-2014, 08:05 PM
Not making the playoffs. Wouldn't be deserved if we do.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:05 PM
down 4-1....send out McClement and Orr!!!!


**** **** ****

Killer93
01-09-2014, 08:05 PM
Yep happy for Liles nothing but class; **** this team

Deckie007
01-09-2014, 08:05 PM
I AM BUYING THE ****ING LOTTERY.

Sounds expensive.

Leafyblue
01-09-2014, 08:05 PM
We should feel sorry for both goalies. Shell shock.

Leafyblue
01-09-2014, 08:08 PM
I smell a comeback.

CRL
01-09-2014, 08:09 PM
I smell a comeback.

LOL

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:10 PM
heh @ zeke's meltdown on Randy

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:11 PM
you know who really sucks at hockey?

David Clarkson.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:13 PM
How dare anybody suggest Carlyle be fired... still too soon for that? Or do we wait some more like we always do?

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:13 PM
watching fraser waddle back for pucks is excruciating.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 08:13 PM
K no more big ticket UFAs unless they have the skills to match, thanks Leafs.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 08:14 PM
I fear Franson may be a lost cause.

Feyd
01-09-2014, 08:14 PM
You know what's sad? The last time the Leafs had a legit Stanley Cup contending team was 01-02. It's been the dark ages since then.

JaysCyYoung
01-09-2014, 08:15 PM
2003-04.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 08:15 PM
Has Clarkson actually touched the puck tonight, I ask that seriously.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:15 PM
K no more big ticket UFAs unless they have the skills to match, thanks Leafs.

I wish someone would ask Nonis how he's enjoying the return on his investment in "character".

MindzEye
01-09-2014, 08:15 PM
I fear Franson may be a lost cause.

I'd really like to see how everyone looks under new leadership before I write anyone off who has shown a high level of play before.

CRL
01-09-2014, 08:16 PM
Has Clarkson actually touched the puck tonight, I ask that seriously.

he didn't come back after 1-st

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:16 PM
bullshit call.

but they're gonna score here anyways.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 08:16 PM
He's not making system mistakes though, he's making no tool-box mistakes.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:16 PM
I would say hindsight is 20/20 with the clarkson signing, but almost everyone thought that was a horrible move.

Feyd
01-09-2014, 08:17 PM
2003-04.
The 01-02 team was significantly better.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 08:17 PM
That 03-04 team was a legit contender.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:17 PM
2nd unit's out now, with pK expert Mark Fraser in to save the day. i.e. they're gonna score

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:18 PM
halfway through the game, the leafs are getting outshot 23-11 by the carolina hurricanes.

Feyd
01-09-2014, 08:19 PM
****ing Fraser. Idiot.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:19 PM
well, they didn't score, but Fraser took a penalty to make up for it.

good work, Mark.

TimHorton
01-09-2014, 08:19 PM
He showed you, he just took a stupid penalty instead!

Feyd
01-09-2014, 08:19 PM
"Hey, there's a Carolina player on the ice. I'm gonna crosscheck him 3 times."

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:20 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, Mark Fraser. A d man that Randy thought would help us win. What judgement by a top 10 coach in the NHL.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:20 PM
halfway through the game, the leafs are getting outshot 23-11 by the carolina hurricanes.
No Eric Staal.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:20 PM
Atta boy, Randy. Because Fraser is just what this team needs...

MindzEye
01-09-2014, 08:20 PM
He's not making system mistakes though, he's making no tool-box mistakes.

He wouldn't be the first dummie to become a damn effective hockey player under the right teaching.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:21 PM
It's scary how badly I want Liles to score again.

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 08:22 PM
Great repeated crosschecking by Fraser. Way to teach 'em.

I always loved coaches that value smart players.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:25 PM
4 shots this period and 5 minutes left to go.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:26 PM
Great repeated crosschecking by Fraser. Way to teach 'em.

I always loved coaches that value smart players.

If he plays another shift in this game, Carlyle will prove that his loyalty outweighs his coaching ability.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:26 PM
nice long commercial break, everyone's rested, time for....MORE MCCLEMENT!!!

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 08:27 PM
we have 12 shots on goal.

12.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:27 PM
Bowen just told us that Clarkson is "as frustrated as anyone can be".

I beg to differ.

Feyd
01-09-2014, 08:29 PM
Yeah, must be tough for Clarkson. Making more money this year than most will see in a lifetime.

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 08:30 PM
If he plays another shift in this game, Carlyle will prove that his loyalty outweighs his coaching ability.

Randy's two standards: one for thugs and one for skilled players. Just another coach that seems to resent skilled players.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:30 PM
Yeah, must be tough for Clarkson. Making more money this year than most will see in a lifetime.

... for doing much LESS than most will do in a lifetime...

KingTucker
01-09-2014, 08:31 PM
Bowen just told us that Clarkson is "as frustrated as anyone can be".

I beg to differ.

Yeah...Clarkson's going to go home to his 5 mil and forget about this. We have to watch this disaster every night and wait for Nonis to actually wake up and stop the bleeding before it's too late.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:32 PM
Carolina will pass us for 8th after this one.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:32 PM
Randy's two standards: one for thugs and one for skilled players. Just another coach that seems to resent skilled players.

Liles, for example?

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:33 PM
solid work behind his own net by jay mcselke.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:33 PM
Carolina will pass us for 8th after this one.
Do you still think this team "comfortably" makes the playoffs?

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 08:34 PM
I hate Franson so much. Instead of advancing the puck he reverses it blindly backhand into his partners skates who of course is not expecting a pass at that point.

They really need to trade him.

Feyd
01-09-2014, 08:34 PM
Once again the Leafs can't win a faceoff.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:34 PM
Any money on Carlyle pulling Reimer and putting his boy Bernier back in net for the third?

mbow30
01-09-2014, 08:35 PM
I hate Franson so much. Instead of advancing the puck he reverses it blindly backhand into his partners skates who of course is not expecting a pass at that point.

They really need to trade him.

there's a reason nashville gave him away for nothing.

Bleedsblue&white
01-09-2014, 08:35 PM
I've decided to just laugh. It's a little maniacal maybe, but if I don't laugh I'll cry.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:35 PM
I get complaining about the depth guys and how Carlyle uses them, but the skill guys are really letting this team down. They are the leaders of this team. And just no fight in them right now. Where are Kessel, JVR, Lupul, Kadri, Phaneuf and Franson? Nice to talk about guys like Holland , McClement and Clarkson, but thats a small piece of the pie.

CRL
01-09-2014, 08:35 PM
I hate Franson so much. Instead of advancing the puck he reverses it blindly backhand into his partners skates who of course is not expecting a pass at that point.

They really need to trade him.

never gonna happen, Randy loves him doze he is hitting people

Bleedsblue&white
01-09-2014, 08:37 PM
I don't like a lot of what I'm seeing from a lot of guys, but I'd like to see a regular coach take over first. I think Carlyle's insistence on a system that doesn't work here is making some Leafs look worse than they are.

MikeRofalis
01-09-2014, 08:39 PM
Do you still think this team "comfortably" makes the playoffs?
Some people can't see the forest through the trees. This team has been so bad, we'd be close to last overall if not for the outstanding tending we got at the start of the year.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:40 PM
Carlyle really isn't asking them to do much. Just skate hard and try to keep the puck. Its not a system thing. Its an effort thing. And maybe that is Carlyle's fault too. But the guys should be skating no matter what. These guys are pros. Someone needs to stand up.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 08:40 PM
I get complaining about the depth guys and how Carlyle uses them, but the skill guys are really letting this team down. They are the leaders of this team. And just no fight in them right now. Where are Kessel, JVR, Lupul, Kadri, Phaneuf and Franson? Nice to talk about guys like Holland , McClement and Clarkson, but thats a small piece of the pie.

It just looks like it's not working with Carlyle any more, for whatever reason.

We've seen many of these same players play much much better.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:41 PM
I get complaining about the depth guys and how Carlyle uses them, but the skill guys are really letting this team down. They are the leaders of this team. And just no fight in them right now. Where are Kessel, JVR, Lupul, Kadri, Phaneuf and Franson? Nice to talk about guys like Holland , McClement and Clarkson, but thats a small piece of the pie.

But you also don't want anybody suggesting Carlyle must go. Clearly, our most skilled guys have tuned him out.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:43 PM
If these guys tuned out their coach after not even a full season this team has way bigger problems than the coach. The core wouldn't be much of a core.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:43 PM
Bozak 13:48 (20:42) - 43%
Kessel 13:09 (19:44)
VanRyk 13:07 (19:41)

McClement 12:44 (19:06) - 53%
Kulemin 12:37 (18:56)
Clarkson 6:50 (10:15)

Kadri 10:54 (16:21) - 30%
Raymond 11:42 (17:33)
Lupul 9:58 (14:57)

Ashton 1:30 (2:15) - 50%
D'Amigo 5:27 (8:11)
Orr 1:23 (2:05)



Phaneuf 17:36 (26:24)
Gleason 12:56 (19:24)

Franson 15:58 (23:57)
Gunnar 15:05 (22:38)

Fraser 9:36 (14:24)
Rielly 8:58 (13:27)




the cherry on top of taking gardiner out for fraser is that we also lose rielly because randy can't play that pairing.

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 08:43 PM
They're probably so overwhelmed with WTF?, WTF? WTF?!!! that they lose focus on their own play.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:44 PM
Carlyle really isn't asking them to do much. Just skate hard and try to keep the puck. Its not a system thing.

read those 3 sentences again.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:45 PM
we are ouhitting them 28-10.

phew.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:46 PM
read those 3 sentences again.

What? He is literally asking them to do the simplest things. Its not rocket science that lots of NHL players aren't able to do. He's asking them to just simplify the game. If they can't do that Carlyle isn't the problem.

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 08:47 PM
Hmmm ... watch the third or clean under the stove? Tough choice.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:47 PM
What? He is literally asking them to do the simplest things. Its not rocket science that lots of NHL players aren't able to do. He's asking them to just simplify the game. If they can't do that Carlyle isn't the problem.

maybe just maybe, telling a team to "work hard" is not nhl-calibre coaching.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:48 PM
maybe just maybe, telling a team to "work hard" is not nhl-calibre coaching.

Its not coaching at all. Its basic hockey that every team needs to have and doesn't need a coach to tell them to do it. Needing the coach to ask you to work hard is bad. Its even worse when you can't do it.

mbow30
01-09-2014, 08:48 PM
the cherry on top of taking gardiner out for fraser is that we also lose rielly because randy can't play that pairing.


rielly has been on the ice for more goals per minute than any other defenseman on the team.

playing him 15 minutes a game isn't a bad thing right now.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:48 PM
Do you still think this team "comfortably" makes the playoffs?

No answer....

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:49 PM
If these guys tuned out their coach after not even a full season this team has way bigger problems than the coach. The core wouldn't be much of a core.

What's the fix, then? Carlyle stays? We trade Reimer (since Carlyle clearly prefers Bernier)? We blow it up again?

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:50 PM
Hmmm ... watch the third or clean under the stove? Tough choice.

LOL! Imagine how many loonies you might find...

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:50 PM
Its not coaching at all. Its basic hockey that every team needs to have and doesn't need a coach to tell them to do it. Needing the coach to ask you to work hard is bad. Its even worse when you can't do it.

randy's playing checkers and the other coaches are playing chess.

"work hard play tough" is not nhl calibre coaching.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 08:50 PM
If these guys tuned out their coach after not even a full season this team has way bigger problems than the coach. The core wouldn't be much of a core.

That would be the more frightening possibility.

Deckie007
01-09-2014, 08:50 PM
we are ouhitting them 28-10.

phew.

'cuz we never have the puck.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:51 PM
Randy just has poor judgement it seems. Playing fraser, sitting holland for plugs, playing Mcclemment and now looks like he had a bad call with Liles too.

Just horrible decision making.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:51 PM
rielly has been on the ice for more goals per minute than any other defenseman on the team.

playing him 15 minutes a game isn't a bad thing right now.

The single biggest reason for my wanting Carlyle gone is that he doesn't reward quality play with ice time.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:51 PM
this team had an identity last year. they were a rush team.

randy hated that, and tried to change them into a dump and chase team.

oopsie.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:52 PM
heh.

fletcher sitting beside nonis upstairs just sent a shiver down my spine.

braintrust.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:53 PM
the best.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:53 PM
randy's playing checkers and the other coaches are playing chess.

"work hard play tough" is not nhl calibre coaching.

Its not any coaching. Thats not Carlyle's system. Its a necessity in the NHL or any pro sports. The fact that this team isn't doing it speaks to the players not Carlyle.

Volcanologist
01-09-2014, 08:54 PM
oh come on.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:54 PM
BLOWOUT BITCHES

Deckie007
01-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Stove time BL.

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Yeah, baby.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Yep... don't talk dropping Carlyle...

BeLeafer
01-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Stove time BL.

Yep.

perfectstormhits
01-09-2014, 08:55 PM
Damn, I hope this is the Leafs worst game of the year.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:55 PM
Its not any coaching. Thats not Carlyle's system. Its a necessity in the NHL or any pro sports. The fact that this team isn't doing it speaks to the players not Carlyle.

"work hard" is not nhl coaching.

ForeverTML
01-09-2014, 08:55 PM
Team has no motivation. Yep, definitely not coaching here, how dare we suggest that.

blacksheep
01-09-2014, 08:56 PM
Nonis should be on his cell calling coaches right now.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:56 PM
more excellent work from fraser.

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:56 PM
It just doesn't make sense to me that guys like Carlyle, Fraser and McClement get the blame and the leaders of this team get off scott free.

What about the teams best players and leaders that have been MIA. The guys who the team wins and loses with. None of them even bothered showing up tonight. But that is McClement and Fraser's fault?

leafman101
01-09-2014, 08:56 PM
"work hard" is not nhl coaching.

Its also something the Leafs aren't doing. Which is the problem.

zeke
01-09-2014, 08:58 PM
hey we got a real scoring chance. kinda.