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Killer93
02-14-2014, 08:27 AM
Another game for team Canada. Subban and Duchene draw in while Sharp and Hamhuis sit out. I love the Subban for Hamhuis swap but I feel Carter or Kunitz should have sat for Sharp. Reports indicate line-up changes so we may see:

Kunitz - Crosby - St Louis
Nash - Toews - Benn
Marleau - Getzlaf - Perry
Carter - Tavares - Bergeron
Duchene

Also Mike Smith draws in as back-up and Price gets the day off.

hairnova
02-14-2014, 08:29 AM
Canada should score a bunch of goals today, Austria doesn't play trap hockey.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 08:32 AM
Carter or Kunitz ought to be out, not Sharp

trujaysfan
02-14-2014, 09:10 AM
How long until Duchene replaces Kunitz?

leafman101
02-14-2014, 09:11 AM
I really don't understand Tavares as the 4th line center. I get wanting to have depth down the middle, but Bergeron and Duchene are still there and Tavares is the 2nd best player on the team. It makes no sense. Put him with Crosby.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 09:23 AM
I can live with Bergeron as the 4th line C, especially if it bumps Tavares to Crosby, but Bergeron as the 4th line winger is borderline retarded

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 09:25 AM
the Kunitz love affair is also retarded. It amazes me how many countries passed over elite talent for chemistry

leafman101
02-14-2014, 09:27 AM
No its not. Bergeron was awesome yesterday.

zeke
02-14-2014, 09:29 AM
Its so weird - canada has 9 or 10 legit line-driving elite ppg producers, and still somehow manages to fill half the roster with 2nd tier sidekick/ support players.

Crosby, stamkos*, getzlaf, tavares, toews, perry, st.louis, giroux, hall (duchene, seguin, thornton, spezza).

There's no reason not to have the top 3 lines made up of these players.

And then if you want to get cute with role players on the 4th line (i.e.marleau-bergy-benn/sharp) then fine.

Carter and nash, as two pretty much one dimensional offensive players....without elite offensive production, shouldn't be in the mix at all.

leafman101
02-14-2014, 09:30 AM
Its so weird - canada has 9 or 10 legit line-driving elite ppg producers, and still somehow manages to fill half the roster with 2nd tier sidekick/ support players.

Crosby, stamkos*, getzlaf, tavares, toews, perry, st.louis, giroux, hall (duchene, seguin, thornton, spezza).

There's no reason not to have the top 3 lines made up of these players.

And then if you want to get cute with role players on the 4th line (i.e.marleau-bergy-benn/sharp) then fine.

Carter and nash, as two pretty much one dimensional offensive players....without elite offensive production, shouldn't be in the mix at all.

Yep. Giroux, Hall, and Staal not being on the team is completely nuts. And they wanted to leave St. Louis back too.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 09:32 AM
Bergeron world have been just as effective at C.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 09:33 AM
Hall, is the only one of those i get not being there

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 09:55 AM
Hall is the one guy I DON'T get not being there. He's the best Canadian left-winger in the game.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 09:56 AM
Hall is the one guy I DON'T get not being there. He's the best Canadian left-winger in the game.

He has the reputation of being stupid, and a liability at times.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 09:59 AM
The only thing I can understand the selection committee potentially having an issue with in terms of Hall is his propensity to play undisciplined at times.

But he's a great skater, creative offensively, and can even drive to the net. He's exactly the type of high-energy player you could use in a short tournament format.

And again, he's Canada's best natural left-winger. They made such a huge fuss about having the natural defencemen on their correct shooting sides but don't give a shit for a much more significant thing like forwards changing actual positions?

I don't get it.

leafman101
02-14-2014, 10:10 AM
Yeah Hall should be there. Especially on the big ice. And especially because he has a long future ahead of him with Hockey Canada. And especially because he is better than Marleau, Kunitz, Carter, Nash and Sharp.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 10:18 AM
Carter or Kunitz ought to be out, not Sharp

Meh... marginal difference... but definitely Carter should be the one sitting.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 10:20 AM
Meh... marginal difference... but definitely Carter should be the one sitting.

Yeah i agree it's marginal, but Sharp is better than Kunitz/Carter/Marleau/Nash

The troublesome part for me is i doubt any even entered the equation to the coaches to bench.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 10:20 AM
I still think that Kunitz, based on his numbers over the past couple seasons deserves to be there.

You can discount his numbers because he plays with Crosby but a lot of these guys have good teammates. Should we discount Perry's numbers because he plays with Getzlaf?

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 10:23 AM
Perry won a Hart Trophy basically on his own.

Kunitz is a second-line/third-line player on virtually every team in hockey without Sid's influence.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 10:24 AM
I still think that Kunitz, based on his numbers over the past couple seasons deserves to be there.

You can discount his numbers because he plays with Crosby but a lot of these guys have good teammates. Should we discount Perry's numbers because he plays with Getzlaf?

But Kunitz only had 1 good season in Anaheim, sandwiched with mediocre ones.

He's a good player, but not an Olympic one. His own teammate, Neal is better.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 10:24 AM
Kunitz=Matt Moulson IMO

Crosby would turn that guy into an Olympian too.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 10:25 AM
But Kunitz only had 1 good season in Anaheim, sandwiched with mediocre ones.

He's a good player, but not an Olympic one. His own teammate, Neal is better.

Yeah, if you had to take one of the two Penguins wingers Neal would have been the significantly better pick.

MyNameIsJonas
02-14-2014, 10:28 AM
Kunitz is there because he plays with Crosby, and does a very good job at it ( who wouldn't)

But against high level Olympic competition he's going to look lost, and my hope is Canada notices it and makes him the 13th forward and Carter in the press box

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 10:37 AM
Perry won a Hart Trophy basically on his own.

Kunitz is a second-line/third-line player on virtually every team in hockey without Sid's influence.

I didn't say he was better than Perry, I'm just saying that based on his numbers over the past couple years he deserves to be on the team and discounting only someone who plays with Crosby is dumb.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 10:39 AM
I didn't say he was better than Perry, I'm just saying that based on his numbers over the past couple years he deserves to be on the team and discounting only someone who plays with Crosby is dumb.

Why does he deserve to be there over a more talented guy like Neal, who doesn't play with Crosby and has outproduced Kunitz, or Giroux, who has the most points out of any Canadian forward by three-year splits?

"Because chemistry" isn't an argument.

leafman101
02-14-2014, 10:44 AM
Yeah I wouldn't have taken Kunitz, and don't think he is good enough to be there.

I get how people are fooled by the numbers though. His numbers are great the last two years.

trujaysfan
02-14-2014, 10:47 AM
I didn't say he was better than Perry, I'm just saying that based on his numbers over the past couple years he deserves to be on the team and discounting only someone who plays with Crosby is dumb.

So if he were to hit the UFA market this offseason would you be comfortable with the Habs paying him based on him being a PPG player?

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 10:48 AM
Kunitz is there because he plays with Crosby
Based on his numbers he deserves to be there.


and does a very good job at it ( who wouldn't)
There have actually been a lot of players who haven't put up nearly what Kunitz has the past couple years while playing with Sid. Marian Hossa being one of them.


But against high level Olympic competition he's going to look lost, and my hope is Canada notices it and makes him the 13th forward and Carter in the press box

Possibly... but he does have good speed and is a tenacious hitter and forechecker so that may work well.... and he's shown the ability to score in the past 2 seasons. We'll see.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 10:50 AM
Marian Hossa is a puck possession player just like Crosby. That's why he never worked out as Sid's winger during his brief tenure in Pittsburgh - he needs the puck to be effective.

Sid needs someone that he can distribute the puck to and simply get to the scoring areas. Kunitz does that very well. But it doesn't mean he's talented enough to be on a team as elite and deep as Canada.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 10:51 AM
So if he were to hit the UFA market this offseason would you be comfortable with the Habs paying him based on him being a PPG player?

Not a point per game per se... but I'd be fine signing him to a good size contract. He's 34 so I wouldn't be fine with a long term deal.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 10:51 AM
Remains to be seen if Crosby will even be Team Canada's top player...he wasn't in 2010.

UWHabs
02-14-2014, 10:52 AM
I can live with Kunitz because he produces. We have some leeway with a couple extra forward slots - I can justify that.

But I don't see why you don't bring arguably Canada's 2 best wingers in Hall and Neal ahead of guys like Carter.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 10:52 AM
Marian Hossa is a puck possession player just like Crosby. That's why he never worked out as Sid's winger during his brief tenure in Pittsburgh - he needs the puck to be effective.

Sid needs someone that he can distribute the puck to and simply get to the scoring areas. Kunitz does that very well. But it doesn't mean he's talented enough to be on a team as elite and deep as Canada.

But Sid's been in the league for 9 years... where's the list of wingers he's turned into PPG players? How about I post the list...


Chris Kunitz

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 10:54 AM
I can live with Kunitz because he produces. We have some leeway with a couple extra forward slots - I can justify that.

But I don't see why you don't bring arguably Canada's 2 best wingers in Hall and Neal ahead of guys like Carter.

Carter's problem is that his best seasons were from 2008-2011 (right in between Games) and only one of those was elite. He's a guy that simply doesn't make a whole lot of sense on Team Canada.

He could be one of the best players at the Worlds, but not at the Olympics in a best-on-best format.

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 10:56 AM
I can live with Kunitz because he produces. We have some leeway with a couple extra forward slots - I can justify that.

But I don't see why you don't bring arguably Canada's 2 best wingers in Hall and Neal ahead of guys like Carter.

I wouldn't have brought Hall either. I don't get to watch the Oilers a ton but every time I do he's been a total mess defensively.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 10:57 AM
But Sid's been in the league for 9 years... where's the list of wingers he's turned into PPG players? How about I post the list...


Chris Kunitz

Team Canada is not the Pittsburgh Penguins. I'd wager if Crosby and St. Louis played together the entire season MSL would have 90+ points.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 10:59 AM
@TSNBobMcKenzie: According to lineup, St-Louis with Crosby-Kunitz, Marleau with Toews-Nash, Duchene with Getzlaf-Perry. Carter with Tavares, Benn,Bergeron.

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 10:59 AM
According to lineup,
St-Louis with Crosby-Kunitz
Marleau with Toews-Nash
Duchene with Getzlaf-Perry.
Carter with Tavares, Benn,Bergeron.

I can live with this. Much better.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 11:00 AM
Why does he deserve to be there over a more talented guy like Neal, who doesn't play with Crosby and has outproduced Kunitz, or Giroux, who has the most points out of any Canadian forward by three-year splits?

"Because chemistry" isn't an argument.

Hey, if I was making the team Marleau, Carter, Nash, Hamhuis and Vlasic would not be there.... maybe not Kunitz either but he's probably the last guy on that list that I'd cut. Sharp and Bergeron are bubble guys too imo.

Giroux, St.Louis, Neal would be there ahead of those guys though.

Killer93
02-14-2014, 11:01 AM
According to lineup,
St-Louis with Crosby-Kunitz
Marleau with Toews-Nash
Duchene with Getzlaf-Perry.
Carter with Tavares, Benn,Bergeron.

I can live with this. Much better.

Hoping Benn/Tavares see more ice

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 11:03 AM
Team Canada is not the Pittsburgh Penguins. I'd wager if Crosby and St. Louis played together the entire season MSL would have 90+ points.

Huh? I'm not even sure what this is turning into now.

My argument is that everyone wants to discount Kunitz's numbers because he plays with Crosby, as if Crosby just turns everyone into superstars. Meanwhile he hasn't turned anyone into superstars besides Kunitz apparently.

Wayward DP
02-14-2014, 11:04 AM
Poor Toews

hairnova
02-14-2014, 11:05 AM
Poor Toews

I had that exact thought. He's basically our checking center now.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 11:07 AM
That was his role in Vancouver and he was our best forward.

Wayward DP
02-14-2014, 11:08 AM
Nash, Carter, and Kunitz are effectively dead weight on whatever line they're on. We've shot ourselves in the foot by handicapping 3 of our 4 lines with plugs (relative to the talent pool available). So frustrating.

hairnova
02-14-2014, 11:08 AM
FriedgeHNIC: Lineup says Carter with Benn-Tavares-Bergeron, but it's possible he spends more time with Marleau-Toews-Nash.

I think I prefer that. Tavares' line was really good yesterday... hopefully they play more today.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 11:12 AM
Huh? I'm not even sure what this is turning into now.

My argument is that everyone wants to discount Kunitz's numbers because he plays with Crosby, as if Crosby just turns everyone into superstars. Meanwhile he hasn't turned anyone into superstars besides Kunitz apparently.

He also hasn't played with many talented wingers since he was a Penguin. Washed up John LeClair? Washed up Bill Guerin? A stylistically different Marian Hossa for 20 games in a limited sample size? Colby Armstrong?

He's like Sundin for the Leafs in that he's never had a quality winger to work with for the most part.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 11:14 AM
So now that he's got a good winger they're putting up big numbers.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 11:15 AM
Yes.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 11:17 AM
Canada wearing SS uniforms tonight.....**** you nike.

leafman101
02-14-2014, 11:20 AM
Toews should be the teams checking line center. He isn't as good as Crosby, Tavares and Getzlaf offensively.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 11:20 AM
Canada wearing SS uniforms tonight.....**** you nike.

Canada is written in Runes and we have skull shoulder patches? That sounds kind of cool actually...aside from the whole Jew killing association.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 11:24 AM
Canada is written in Runes and we have skull shoulder patches? That sounds kind of cool actually...aside from the whole Jew killing association.

Black jersey with a red arm band.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 11:27 AM
Toews should be the teams checking line center. He isn't as good as Crosby, Tavares and Getzlaf offensively.

Yeah and he's probably the best defensive player we have besides maybe Crosby... and you're not making Sid you're checking centre.

hairnova
02-14-2014, 11:31 AM
Toews should be the teams checking line center. He isn't as good as Crosby, Tavares and Getzlaf offensively.

Yeah, guess I didn't really think that over.

I wouldn't wanna be the one centering Marleau and Nash though, haha.

Killer93
02-14-2014, 11:42 AM
7-1 Austria takes this

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 11:45 AM
Vanek with four goals and Grabner with three?

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 11:50 AM
Throwing me off. Austria's uniforms look like they should be Canada's.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 11:54 AM
These idiots need to stop over passing.

Killer93
02-14-2014, 11:54 AM
We need to stop being so fancy; Luongo with a nice save

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 11:57 AM
1-0 canada

leafman101
02-14-2014, 11:59 AM
Vlasic sucks. Doughty on the other hand is amazing.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 12:00 PM
Why is Austria wearing our jerseys from Vancouver?

LeafGm
02-14-2014, 12:02 PM
Damn CBC's mobile app sucks balls. Two minutes of commercials so far, and still no game.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:03 PM
Because there isn't much you can do with red and white?

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 12:06 PM
Nice work, Matt.

leafman101
02-14-2014, 12:06 PM
Has Subban played yet?

LeafGm
02-14-2014, 12:07 PM
Why is Austria wearing our jerseys from Vancouver?
Seriously. I've got my phone propped up against my monitor at work, and just spent the last couple of minutes wondering why we're playing so shitty.

Then I realized that we're actually the team in black.

Oh, and what a sick shot.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:07 PM
Hard to tell with them all wearing black......

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 12:07 PM
Has Subban played yet?

One shift.

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 12:08 PM
Has Subban played yet?

I only notice him on the ice when he smiles.

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 12:08 PM
Yeah, not a fan of these jerseys.

Although it is kind of nice that we look like the bad guys. :D

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 12:09 PM
They should wear those Winnipeg Falcons jerseys that they wore during the World Cup back in 2004, Canada's first Olympic gold medal hockey team.

hairnova
02-14-2014, 12:10 PM
Has Subban played yet?

He's taken a turn on each D pairing so far and I expect he takes Sharp's place on the point of the PP coming up.

number17
02-14-2014, 12:11 PM
Our black jersey is SOOOO ugly ...

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 12:16 PM
Really liking Duchene on that line with Getzlaf and Perry.

hairnova
02-14-2014, 12:18 PM
Kunitz had Crosby and St-Louis in the slot and passed it 10 feet behind them.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:20 PM
6 guys on team Canada from that WJC team in Grand Forks....should be 8.

zeke
02-14-2014, 12:23 PM
thankfully we brought most of our best offensive dmen.

BG
02-14-2014, 12:29 PM
Seriously. I've got my phone propped up against my monitor at work, and just spent the last couple of minutes wondering why we're playing so shitty.

Then I realized that we're actually the team in black.

Oh, and what a sick shot.

Nice, that's funny.

worm
02-14-2014, 12:30 PM
Throwing me off. Austria's uniforms look like they should be Canada's.

i did that too


canada's first shot on goal .... im like eeeek luo looked shaky on that one.... haha

worm
02-14-2014, 12:31 PM
Hard to tell with them all wearing black......

looooooooooooooool

worm
02-14-2014, 12:33 PM
thankfully we brought most of our best offensive dmen.

let one of the D take kunitz place

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:39 PM
Carter with a gimme.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:40 PM
Luongo with his best save.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 12:43 PM
Crosby with a great play and pass on that goal.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:44 PM
Carter >> kunitz

SundinsTooth
02-14-2014, 12:47 PM
I know it's like beating a dead horse, but this is the best commentary and play-by we can expect?

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 12:52 PM
It's brutal... so much dead air... and that's the best part.

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 12:54 PM
Why can't they just call the god damn play? Is that too much to ask? That was the best part about Neale and Cole. Cole calls the play, Neale adds a tidbit here and there in between.

These guys just yap non ****ing stop.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:55 PM
They fancy themselves as psychologists.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:55 PM
Duchene needs to shot that.

hockeylover
02-14-2014, 12:56 PM
Duchene needs to shot that.

For sure. He's looked good this game though - not sure how we scratched him in the first game.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 12:59 PM
Crosbys been meh so far.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 01:00 PM
Hat trick for Carter, lol.

axlsalinger
02-14-2014, 01:01 PM
Penalty shot!

BeLeafer
02-14-2014, 01:01 PM
#poorzeke

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 01:03 PM
Well Carter sure showed us. :lol

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 01:03 PM
Starkbaum is the only reason this isn't more than 5-0

SundinsTooth
02-14-2014, 01:04 PM
"Glen, you see any blood down there?"

Crickets.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 01:04 PM
Well Carter sure showed us. :lol

I'll more than welcome a Kunitz hat trick vs Finland.

Volcanologist
02-14-2014, 01:07 PM
Just imagine the Leafs with Getzlaf added. oh man.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 01:07 PM
Sweet goal by Getzlaf there.

Habspatrol
02-14-2014, 01:13 PM
How bad is Austria's backup goalie?

JaysCyYoung
02-14-2014, 01:13 PM
Whatever happened to Reinhard Divis? He was pretty good.

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 01:14 PM
Goal differential is now Canada +8 and Finland +9

zeke
02-14-2014, 01:20 PM
crap. three garbage goals means we'll never get carter out of the lineup now.

worm
02-14-2014, 01:22 PM
I know it's like beating a dead horse, but this is the best commentary and play-by we can expect?

i loved the 3 mins of hughson trying to make luongo the starter

JohnnyHolmes
02-14-2014, 01:27 PM
Is there an app you can watch this shit on? I don't mind paying for it. Gamecenter redirects you to the app store when you click "watch" but nothing actually loads up.

LeafGm
02-14-2014, 01:29 PM
Is there an app you can watch this shit on? I don't mind paying for it. Gamecenter redirects you to the app store when you click "watch" but nothing actually loads up.
The CBC Olympic app works fine, but you have to wait through 1-2 minutes of ads before the game actually starts up.

JohnnyHolmes
02-14-2014, 01:31 PM
outside of canada

Metalleaf
02-14-2014, 01:42 PM
Crosby looks like crap.

CRL
02-14-2014, 01:43 PM
Crosby looks like crap.

he didnt look brilliant 4 years ago before scoring winner