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zeke
03-16-2014, 01:53 PM
The Caps don't have a great record lately but they've had a real tough sked - they're only 3-4-1 in march but the losses have come against BOS, PIT, PIT, PHI, PHI and they've mostly been close losses, And they've had a couple good wins vs. BOS and PHX.

Halak has been a nice boost for them and young Kuznetsov shone with a 3pt game last time out.

We're better than them but we can't take them lightly.


Line 1

C T.Bozak (27): 44gms, 15gls, 40pts, 52ht, 36bk, 20:57 (82gms, 28gls, 75pts, 97ht, 67bk) - 48.5fo%
C N.Backstrom (26): 68gms, 13gls, 65pts, 80ht, 44bk, 19:50 (82gms, 16gls, 78pts, 97ht, 53bk) - 49.8fo%

W P.Kessel (26): 68gms, 34gls, 73pts, 21ht, 24bk, 20:30 (82gms, 41gls, 88pts, 25ht, 29bk)
W A.Ovechkin (28): 64gms, 45gls, 68pts, 181ht, 19bk, 20:47 (82gms, 58gls, 87pts, 232ht, 24bk)

W J.VanRyk (24): 66gms, 26gls, 55pts, 99ht, 20bk, 20:50 (82gms, 32gls, 68pts, 123ht, 25bk)
W M.Johansson (23): 67gms, 8gls, 38pts, 42ht, 23bk, 17:33 (82gms, 10gls, 47pts, 51ht, 28bk)

Line 2

C N.Kadri (23): 64gms, 17gls, 46pts, 127ht, 27bk, 17:41 (82gms, 22gls, 59pts, 163ht, 35bk) - 45.2fo%
C E.Fehr (28): 59gms, 11gls, 25pts, 69ht, 27bk, 14:41 (82gms, 15gls, 35pts, 96ht, 38bk) - 46.6fo%

W J.Lupul (30): 59gms, 19gls, 38pts, 102ht, 28bk, 18:32 (82gms, 26gls, 53pts, 142ht, 39bk)
W J.Ward (33): 68gms, 19gls, 38pts, 41ht, 56bk, 16:09 (82gms, 23gls, 46pts, 49ht, 68bk)

W D.Clarkson (29): 46gms, 4gls, 10pts, 134ht, 30bk, 15:47 (82gms, 7gls, 18pts, 239ht, 54bk)
W J.Chimera (34): 68gms, 13gls, 35pts, 116ht, 26bk, 15:26 (82gms, 16gls, 42pts, 140ht, 31bk)

Line 3

C N.Kulemin (27): 56gms, 8gls, 19pts, 122ht, 52bk, 16:24 (82gms, 12gls, 28pts, 179ht, 76bk)
C C.Wellman (26): 11gms, 2gls, 3pts, 7ht, 3bk, 9:30 (82gms, 15gls, 22pts, 52ht, 30bk) - 53.8fo%

W M.Raymond (28): 68gms, 19gls, 40pts, 31ht, 20bk, 17:20 (82gms, 23gls, 48pts, 37ht, 24bk)
W T.Brouwer (28): 68gms, 18gls, 32pts, 184ht, 31bk, 18:50 (82gms, 22gls, 39pts, 222ht, 37bk)

W T.Bodie (28): 33gms, 2gls, 9pts, 46ht, 10bk, 7:48 (82gms, 5gls, 22pts, 114ht, 25bk)
W E.Kuznetsov (21): 3gms, 0gls, 3pts, 1ht, 1bk, 11:44 (82gms, 0gls, 82pts, 27ht, 27bk)

Line 4

C J.McClem (30): 67gms, 3gls, 8pts, 121ht, 48bk, 15:12 (82gms, 4gls, 10pts, 148ht, 59bk) - 54.1fo%
C J.Beagle (28): 48gms, 2gls, 7pts, 73ht, 22bk, 10:26 (82gms, 3gls, 12pts, 125ht, 38bk) - 54.6fo%

W C.Orr (31): 47gms, 0gls, 0pts, 95ht, 8bk, 5:31 (82gms, 0gls, 0pts, 166ht, 14bk)
W D.Penner (31): 55gms, 13gls, 32pts, 88ht, 11bk, 15:09 (82gms, 19gls, 48pts, 131ht, 16bk)

W C.Ashton (22): 30gms, 0gls, 3pts, 43ht, 7bk, 6:12 (82gms, 0gls, 8pts, 118ht, 19bk)
W T.Wilson (19): 68gms, 3gls, 9pts, 150ht, 11bk, 7:23 (82gms, 4gls, 11pts, 181ht, 13bk)



Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (28): 66gms, 7gls, 27pts, 193ht, 131bk, 24:02 (82gms, 9gls, 34pts, 240ht, 163bk)
D J.Carlson (23): 68gms, 10gls, 30pts, 55ht, 144bk, 24:35 (82gms, 12gls, 36pts, 66ht, 174bk)

D C.Gunnar (27): 67gms, 2gls, 14pts, 142ht, 156bk, 19:50 (82gms, 3gls, 17pts, 174ht, 191bk)
D K.Alzner (25): 68gms, 2gls, 14pts, 60ht, 118bk, 20:46 (82gms, 2gls, 17pts, 72ht, 142bk)

Pair 2

D C.Franson (26): 65gms, 4gls, 28pts, 229ht, 97bk, 20:55 (82gms, 5gls, 35pts, 289ht, 122bk)
D M.Green (28): 60gms, 9gls, 36pts, 55ht, 92bk, 22:46 (82gms, 12gls, 49pts, 75ht, 126bk)

D J.Gardiner (23): 66gms, 8gls, 20pts, 86ht, 68bk, 20:51 (82gms, 10gls, 25pts, 107ht, 85bk)
D D.Orlov (22): 40gms, 3gls, 9pts, 51ht, 46bk, 19:19 (82gms, 6gls, 19pts, 105ht, 94bk)

Pair 3

D M.Rielly (19): 59gms, 2gls, 22pts, 82ht, 78bk, 17:38 (82gms, 3gls, 31pts, 114ht, 108bk)
D C.Carrick (19): 29gms, 1gls, 6pts, 20ht, 42bk, 16:03 (82gms, 3gls, 17pts, 57ht, 119bk)

D T.Gleason (30): 42gms, 1gls, 5pts, 122ht, 68bk, 17:18 (82gms, 2gls, 10pts, 238ht, 133bk)
D P.Ranger (29): 45gms, 4gls, 12pts, 101ht, 63bk, 17:52 (82gms, 7gls, 22pts, 184ht, 115bk)
D J.Hillen (27): 8gms, 0gls, 1pts, 5ht, 8bk, 16:24 (82gms, 0gls, 10pts, 51ht, 82bk)



Starting Goalie

G J.Reimer (25): 27gms, 11-8-1, 3.23gaa, 1so, .914sv%
G J.Halak (28): 44gms, 26-11-4, 2.25gaa, 4so, .918sv%

Backup Goalie

[I]G D.McIntyre (30): -------
G B.Holtby (24): 41gms, 19-14-3, 2.98gaa, 3so, .911sv%



Unavailable

C D.Bolland (27): 15gms, 6gls, 10pts, 26ht, 9bk, 16:15 (82gms, 33gls, 55pts, 142ht, 49bk) - 41.3fo%
C P.Holland (22): 40gms, 6gls, 11pts, 42ht, 20bk, 11:25 (82gms, 12gls, 23pts, 86ht, 41bk) - 46.0fo%
G J.Bernier (25): 50gms, 25-16-7, 2.61gaa, 1so, .925sv%

C M.Grabovski (29): 50gms, 12gls, 33pts, 17ht, 22bk, 15:46 (82gms, 20gls, 54pts, 28ht, 36bk) - 54.1fo%
W B.Laich (30): 51gms, 8gls, 15pts, 62ht, 35bk, 17:15 (82gms, 13gls, 24pts, 100ht, 56bk)
D J.Erskine (33): 35gms, 1gls, 3pts, 59ht, 62bk, 15:38 (82gms, 2gls, 7pts, 138ht, 145bk)

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 02:00 PM
Is Holland out? I haven't seen any updates, the media must have slept in or something.

Bleedsblue&white
03-16-2014, 02:42 PM
I don't know about our team, but this afternoon-game shit is throwing me off.

trujaysfan
03-16-2014, 03:11 PM
I don't know about our team, but this afternoon-game shit is throwing me off.

Agree... Doesn't feel right watching daytime hockey on a Sunday (or well ever)

zeke
03-16-2014, 03:34 PM
ashton in, orr out.

booyah.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 03:42 PM
Have a bad feeling about this one

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 03:46 PM
James Mirtle
Leafs are 15-4-3 in their last 22 games. Prior to that, they had just a 12% chance of making the playoffs.

JaysCyYoung
03-16-2014, 03:46 PM
James Mirtle
Leafs are 15-4-3 in their last 22 games. Prior to that, they had just a 12% chance of making the playoffs.

That's not right is it?

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 03:47 PM
I don't know...I posted it to laugh at Mirtle who is probably clinging to his "hotstreak" bullshit.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 03:47 PM
Agree... Doesn't feel right watching daytime hockey on a Sunday (or well ever)

I'd rather watch a sunday game then a weeknight game at 10-10:30pm...

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 03:48 PM
Solid chance there by Kessel.

CH1
03-16-2014, 03:52 PM
James Mirtle
Leafs are 15-4-3 in their last 22 games. Prior to that, they had just a 12% chance of making the playoffs.

Prior to the last two years, Leafs were not a playoff team #reversionisabitch

Killer93
03-16-2014, 03:53 PM
Here we go...

Killer93
03-16-2014, 03:53 PM
Franson so ****ing bad

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 03:53 PM
That was some pretty shitty defense right there by Franson and Kulemin there.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 03:54 PM
Franson so ****ing bad

Yup stands around and picks his ass while the guy scores...

hockeylover
03-16-2014, 03:56 PM
James Mirtle
Leafs are 15-4-3 in their last 22 games. Prior to that, they had just a 12% chance of making the playoffs.

Wha?

The Leafs were 2 points out of a wild card spot 23 games ago - with 36 games to play.

The Red Wings are 3 points out of a wild card spot right now - with 16 games to play and they have a 41.6% chance

Mirtle's ****ed this year.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:00 PM
2-0 Caps

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:00 PM
Phaneuf soft in front of the net

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 04:00 PM
Goal being reviewed.

Bleedsblue&white
03-16-2014, 04:01 PM
Reimer has to improve his rebounds.

CRL
03-16-2014, 04:01 PM
gonna count that

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 04:02 PM
Reimer has to improve his rebounds.

Yup.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 04:02 PM
"Cant' blame Riemer for either goal" BS both were caused by bad rebounds.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:04 PM
Phaneuf should not be playing; hasn't eaten in 2 days due to the flu and his play shows it

Volcanologist
03-16-2014, 04:04 PM
what the **** was that?

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:04 PM
3-0 LOL!

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:05 PM
Bring in MacIntyre

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 04:05 PM
Bad defence everyone just sits around and does nothing.... told you this leafs team is HORRIBLE when they don't have the puck.

JaysCyYoung
03-16-2014, 04:08 PM
Reimer is just terrible.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:08 PM
Down 3-0 and 1 shot on goal through 10 mins

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 04:09 PM
Reimer is just terrible.

Yup he's been bad this game, in his defense though there wasn't much he could do on the 3rd goal.

hockeylover
03-16-2014, 04:09 PM
#AfternoonGameProblems

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 04:10 PM
Anyone seen Kessel? I think the team left him in San Jose.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:10 PM
They are 100% asleep #earlypmproblems

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 04:11 PM
Anyone seen Kessel? I think the team left him in San Jose.

He had one good shift at the beginning of the game, skated in and got a decent shot off.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 04:11 PM
Our PK was pretty good before this game, team is dealing with a flu bug at the worst time.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 04:11 PM
They are 100% asleep #earlypmproblems

No its 100% they don't give a shit #emotionalimmaturityproblems

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:13 PM
Reimer and Franson must have smoked crack before the game

zeke
03-16-2014, 04:13 PM
1 shot. Period's almost over.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:20 PM
BODIE! 3-1

zeke
03-16-2014, 04:21 PM
First two good shifts of the game...and we score.

Sweet shot, too.

MindzEye
03-16-2014, 04:22 PM
Bodie with the snipe show.

It's a game again. Remember, this Washington team has been shit all year. This is still winnable.

Bleedsblue&white
03-16-2014, 04:22 PM
Huge goal.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:22 PM
Bodie > Clarkson

Bleedsblue&white
03-16-2014, 04:23 PM
We know a few guys have been sick, before I continue to crap down Reimer's neck...has he been one of the guys hit with the flu?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-16-2014, 04:23 PM
#AfternoonGameProblems

:lol:lol

zeke
03-16-2014, 04:24 PM
2 shot period. Jeebus.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-16-2014, 04:26 PM
Bodie > Clarkson

Clarkson is just terrible. Completely useless.

MyNameIsJonas
03-16-2014, 04:31 PM
I see Clarkson skate into people and fall down alot.

Is he trying to draw penalties?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-16-2014, 04:36 PM
I see Clarkson skate into people and fall down alot.

Is he trying to draw penalties?

He doesn't know how to stop.

JaysCyYoung
03-16-2014, 04:39 PM
He doesn't know how to stop.

http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20120317195656/disney/images/0/07/Luis_Mendoza.jpg

CH1
03-16-2014, 04:42 PM
How many low rent broadcasters can Sportsnet squeeze into a single telecast?

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:42 PM
Would rather sign him then Clarkson

zeke
03-16-2014, 04:51 PM
Kessel doubleshifting in clarkson's spot. I like it.

Bleedsblue&white
03-16-2014, 04:51 PM
There's blood in the water.

Neurospasm
03-16-2014, 04:55 PM
How come we never get up for games? I don't know the numbers but it seems to me we always start horribly

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 04:57 PM
How come we never get up for games? I don't know the numbers but it seems to me we always start horribly

Not true, against Philly and Anaheim the Leafs went up 2-0 in the first. Sometimes the Leafs come out great sometimes not so much.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:57 PM
Halak stinks 3-2!

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 04:58 PM
Hey, Phaneuf...

Killer93
03-16-2014, 04:59 PM
Dion is such a beast, battling through the flu and making an impact

Deckie007
03-16-2014, 05:00 PM
Guess I'll have to put off my HoC marathan for a couple hours.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:01 PM
How the hell was that not a call..

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:03 PM
Dion is such a beast, battling through the flu and making an impact

But you said he shouldn't be playing a mere two pages ago??

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 05:03 PM
Refs are biased, love how Lupul is giving it to the twat on the bench.

MindzEye
03-16-2014, 05:03 PM
Washington sucks...this game is completely winnable.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:04 PM
Based on what was reported pre-game I absolutely think they should have sat him

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 05:04 PM
Washington sucks...this game is completely winnable.

Actually I think both teams mirror each other... both teams can score a lot of goals but both are oh so shitty at playing defence... that being said this game is winnable.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:07 PM
Actually I think both teams mirror each other... both teams can score a lot of goals but both are oh so shitty at playing defence... that being said this game is winnable.

The Leafs have holes....but they aren't anywhere as large as Washington's.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:09 PM
Would be nice if our powerplay could get back on track.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:10 PM
Gotta cash in here

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:12 PM
Ruh oh JVR hurt

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:13 PM
Jonas Siegel
van Riemsdyk headed to the Toronto dressing room. Blocked a Kessel shot on the power-play.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:13 PM
Yep could be bad

MindzEye
03-16-2014, 05:14 PM
Hopefully just a bruise

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:14 PM
Jonas Siegel
van Riemsdyk has returned to the Leafs bench.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:14 PM
JVR back phew

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:14 PM
PP needs to simplify, stop trying to be pretty

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:17 PM
JVR-Bozak-Clarkson

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 05:18 PM
Wow Clarkson LOL

Deckie007
03-16-2014, 05:20 PM
#unluckyleafs

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:25 PM
Mirtle: Leafs out chance Caps 32-12, because powerplays. What? Washington didn't have that advantage in the first??

zeke
03-16-2014, 05:29 PM
Top line's been a bit quiet lately. Gonna need something from them in third to pull off this comeback i think.

hockeyfanatic
03-16-2014, 05:34 PM
If Bernier were playing this game would be 2-1 Leafs. Oh well, guess we need Reimer in the net to have some excitement before the playoffs?

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:42 PM
**** you Ranger

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 05:44 PM
Highway robbery save there by Reimer!

TimHorton
03-16-2014, 05:46 PM
Franson you meathead

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:46 PM
Cody Franson folks

Bleedsblue&white
03-16-2014, 05:47 PM
That doesn't happen to franson if Reimer doesn't give up a rebound.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:49 PM
Get Clarkson off that 2nd line; put Raymond or Kulemin there

Deckie007
03-16-2014, 05:53 PM
Reimer coming up big in the 3rd

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:54 PM
Lupul-Kadri-Kessel

hockeyfanatic
03-16-2014, 05:54 PM
I am assuming Bernier is a groin problem guys? Damn, those are not good injuries for goalies.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:55 PM
The hell was that from Gardiner??

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:57 PM
I haven't been watching cause I've been working on an essay...but I have it on now and we can't get passed centre ice.

Volcanologist
03-16-2014, 05:58 PM
Not surprised Bernier got hurt. The guy has been in an absolute shooting gallery all year.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 05:58 PM
I haven't been watching cause I've been working on an essay...but I have it on now and we can't get passed centre ice.

We're reverting back to the way we played in the 1st.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 05:59 PM
Snorefest this period

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 05:59 PM
They look scared because they know another Caps goal will seal it.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:03 PM
They look scared because they know another Caps goal will seal it.

If I'm Carlyle I tell the boys to play all out, if were gonna lose I'd rather go down swinging then playing like a bunch of pussies and sitting back.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:06 PM
Carlyle has the line blender going...

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:07 PM
Da fuq did I just hear? Leafs and defensive game in the same sentence LOL!

hockeyfanatic
03-16-2014, 06:08 PM
Not surprised Bernier got hurt. The guy has been in an absolute shooting gallery all year.

Yeah that is a good point. Same for Reimer last year I suppose.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:10 PM
Yeah that is a good point. Same for Reimer last year I suppose.

I said this before that the amount of shots the Leafs give up are going to come back to haunt them.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 06:10 PM
Reimer!!!

TimHorton
03-16-2014, 06:11 PM
That's a pretty good save.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:12 PM
Clarkson...Washington's best defender.

TimHorton
03-16-2014, 06:12 PM
Clarkson with the beauty shot block.........of a team mates shot.

BeLeafer
03-16-2014, 06:13 PM
twater was nowhere to be seen for Reimer's stellar off the bench performance, then returns with yet another alias when he let's in a few goals ... including two point blank ones.

Oh, look, there's Reimer's horrible glove hand.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 06:13 PM
Useless sack of shit Clarkson and Leafs take a penalty

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:13 PM
Gardiner got beat by Jason Chimera...that cannot happen.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:14 PM
Gardiner got beat by Jason Chimera...that cannot happen.

Agreed, a defencmen should be playing defense first.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:15 PM
Agreed, a defencmen should be playing defense first.

Not when you're down one.

Leafin'
03-16-2014, 06:15 PM
HOw did Gardiner not catch chimera on that??

MindzEye
03-16-2014, 06:17 PM
Agreed, a defencmen should be playing defense first.

You're like a retarded broken record.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:18 PM
****ing losers lost this in the first.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 06:18 PM
Such a waste of 2 pts

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:19 PM
****ing losers lost this in the first.

Must win game coming up against Detroit.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:20 PM
You're like a retarded broken record.

Your just pissed because you know I speak the truth. A bad pinch by Gardiner leads to the giveway which forces Gardiner to take a penalty due to his recklessness, those 2 minutes we spent killing the penalty could have been used to attack the Caps.

Killer93
03-16-2014, 06:22 PM
Getting painful to watch David Clarkson play for this team. Looking back at the articles comparing him to Wendel make me want to vomit

Volcanologist
03-16-2014, 06:22 PM
If the top line's not clicking we're not going to win very many games.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:22 PM
Getting painful to watch David Clarkson play for this team. Looking back at the articles comparing him to Wendel make me want to vomit

Worst $35M ever spent.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:23 PM
Kyper dead on in his assessment on Gardiner. #truth.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:24 PM
If the top line's not clicking we're not going to win very many games.

It would be fine if our 2nd was at least working somewhat. When both are floating...look out.

MindzEye
03-16-2014, 06:24 PM
Your just pissed because you know I speak the truth. A bad pinch by Gardiner leads to the giveway which forces Gardiner to take a penalty due to his recklessness, those 2 minutes we spent killing the penalty could have been used to attack the Caps.

When you're down by a goal late in the 3rd, your defenders pinch. This is not new, this is not something that only bad defensive clubs do. You take more chances when you're down. Sometimes the pinches are brilliant, other times less so.

Shit happens. You repeating a mantra that we've all known since we were 12 doesn't change that. If you want to feel like you're teaching hockey to the natives, **** off to HF. There are no novices around here that you're impressing with this basic bullshit.

Neurospasm
03-16-2014, 06:27 PM
Starting to think kadri and lupul are getting frustrated playing with Clarkson. Must suck passing him the puck so he can dump it in and not retrieve it.

Bleedsblue&white
03-16-2014, 06:28 PM
This is one of those games that just happen sometimes; There are losses I feel cheated after, victories I'm surprised at, and every so often there's a loss that you just take. This is one for me.

If Reimer can learn how to control his rebounds he will take the next step, I'm sure of it.
We know a few guys have/had the flu, that's a large part of why they get a mulligan.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:29 PM
Starting to think kadri and lupul are getting frustrated playing with Clarkson. Must suck passing him the puck so he can dump it in and not retrieve it.

I don't get Carlyle's love for Clarkson, the guy isn't fast enough to keep up with Kadri/Lupul, not creative enough to play with them and he's not fierce enough to play a chip n chase game. As much as I think Raymond's a soft little pussy, he's got the speed and offensive ability to keep up with Lupes and Kadri.... time to repair that line.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:30 PM
When you're down by a goal late in the 3rd, your defenders pinch. This is not new, this is not something that only bad defensive clubs do. You take more chances when you're down. Sometimes the pinches are brilliant, other times less so.

Shit happens. You repeating a mantra that we've all known since we were 12 doesn't change that. If you want to feel like you're teaching hockey to the natives, **** off to HF. There are no novices around here that you're impressing with this basic bullshit.

Merely pointing something out, if you don't want to see it was a bad time to pinch and a bad pinch on Gardiner's end, that's your issue.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:30 PM
This is one of those games that just happen sometimes; There are losses I feel cheated after, victories I'm surprised at, and every so often there's a loss that you just take. This is one for me.

If Reimer can learn how to control his rebounds he will take the next step, I'm sure of it.
We know a few guys have/had the flu, that's a large part of why they get a mulligan.

****ing Franson and his contagious cough.

hockeylover
03-16-2014, 06:30 PM
Too bad. Like that they didn't just throw in the towel at 3-0. Dislike that they didn't show up in the first place.

We're still fine playoffs wise.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:31 PM
Merely pointing something out, if you don't want to see it was a bad time to pinch and a bad pinch on Gardiner's end, that's your issue.

It wasn't a bad pinch, he fanned on the puck. Shit happens. We'll beat Detroit.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:33 PM
Jonas Siegel
Carlyle offers no further update on Bernier. Does note that Reimer will start in Detroit.

Pronger84
03-16-2014, 06:33 PM
It wasn't a bad pinch, he fanned on the puck. Shit happens. We'll beat Detroit.

Losing the puck and then turning it over like that makes it a bad pinch... anyways yea I'm on the same page with you I think we beat Detroit on Tuesday, Leafs rarely lose more then 1-2 games in a row.

Metalleaf
03-16-2014, 06:36 PM
This road trip has gone pretty much as expected as far as I'm concerned. I thought they'd win in Anaheim and LA lose in SJ and Wash, and beat Detroit....so we'll see.

zeke
03-16-2014, 07:16 PM
another game lost because they just didn't show up to start.

we're the better team, pretty obviously. I'll give them a bit of a pass because of the time zone adjustment, but it's still annoying.

Neurospasm
03-16-2014, 08:07 PM
I did do a little sleuthing on our stats and we are in 25th for scoring in the first period.

GEEMAN
03-16-2014, 08:46 PM
I don't get Carlyle's love for Clarkson, the guy isn't fast enough to keep up with Kadri/Lupul, not creative enough to play with them and he's not fierce enough to play a chip n chase game. As much as I think Raymond's a soft little pussy, he's got the speed and offensive ability to keep up with Lupes and Kadri.... time to repair that line.

Agreed but Clarkson makes too much money and you have no choice this year to try and get him going .

These GM`S maybe one day will stop paying crazy money to 3rd liners , and it not on Nonnis , all overpay and maybe regret it later , risk you take.

mbow30
03-16-2014, 09:31 PM
HOw did Gardiner not catch chimera on that??

chimera is one of the best and fastest skaters in the league.

number17
03-17-2014, 09:47 AM
It's one of those games where the Leafs chose to show up 20 minutes late and found out the hard way you can't make up for not playing a period by playing well in the 2nd and 3rd.

How is the team so badly prepared to start a game time after times is beyond me, and while they made it close, it wasn't enough vs. a desperate team making the playoff push.

I really think this Clarkson experiment gotta stop. He'll get plenty of chances to prove himself over the next 7 years or whatever, but he drags down the 2nd line right now. Every time the puck is on his stick he kills the play either by giving it away, or mis-passing it, or shooting it at the net when there's no chance whatsoever it'll go in. Without production from the 2nd line the 1st line has to produce every game for them to win.

I see a lot of criticisms on Gardiner's pinch. 1 goal down and less than 10 minutes to play, you obviously have to take some chances. I had no problem with Gardiner pinching, and that is not even comparable to the brain-cramps of Franson.

With the Leafs loss, and the Habs win we lose the 2nd place back to the Habs. Price is back and the Habs will probably stop sliding, so it's important we don't take our foot off the pedal and start feeling good for ourselves taking 4 out of 6 points on west coast.

And yeah, that PK ... man our system sucks. WSH created two 2on1 downlow and scored easily on both, because we run a stupid PK system. That has gotta stop.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 09:55 AM
Agreed but Clarkson makes too much money and you have no choice this year to try and get him going .

These GM`S maybe one day will stop paying crazy money to 3rd liners , and it not on Nonnis , all overpay and maybe regret it later , risk you take.
There's no such thing as "no choice" in this scenario. It's not the head coach's job to try and make the GM look good. It's the coach's job to assemble the roster he's been given in such a way as it gives us the best possible chance to win. And clearly, saddling Lupul and Kadri with Clarkson on their right side is pretty much the opposite of giving our team the best chance to win. It's neutralizing our second line, and putting even more pressure on the first line to carry our offense.

And considering this is the same head coach that was willing to park Mikhail Grabovski on the third line, and put John-Michael Liles in the pressbox/on the Marlies, him putting Clarkson on the third or fourth line wouldn't be unprecedented. He was willing to bury big signings in those instances because he thought it gave the team their best chance to win, and he needs to do it again now with Clarkson.

zeke
03-17-2014, 11:53 AM
A kid like abbott really does deserve a shot, too. And you're not going to stick him on a checking line.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 11:57 AM
You do have to try and get Clarkson going though. Maybe not now with 12 games left in the season, but its not like you can bury him in the press box or on the 4th line for the next 6 yearsl. That doesn't make much sense for the organization. Have to find some value there. Well have to try at least.

Its not the same as Liles or Connolly, where you can just dump them and deal with the repercussions for a year or two.

number17
03-17-2014, 12:08 PM
You have to get Clarkson going but the 3rd place would be a nicer place for him the way he's playing right now.

I can live with a Clarkson - Holland - Raymond 3rd line

And Holland is a better center for Clarkson anyways. Kadri has absolutely no chemistry with Clarkson and it's a bad mactch.

Wayward DP
03-17-2014, 12:14 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Clarkson can develop some chemistry with Bolland, if he ever returns. That could be the makings of a killer 3rd line.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 12:51 PM
You do have to try and get Clarkson going though. Maybe not now with 12 games left in the season, but its not like you can bury him in the press box or on the 4th line for the next 6 yearsl. That doesn't make much sense for the organization. Have to find some value there. Well have to try at least.

Its not the same as Liles or Connolly, where you can just dump them and deal with the repercussions for a year or two.
I don't think anyone's suggesting that. But he's gotten more than a fair shot on the right side with Lupul and Kadri, and it just doesn't work. And even worse than him not clicking with that line is that Lupul and Kadri have looked markedly better whenever just about anybody else has been tried there in Clarkson's place. A couple of noticeable examples being Nikolai Kulemin and Troy Bodie(!).

Keeping him there would fit the definition of insanity at this point. So, they just need to come to terms with the situation. As long as Kadri is our second line center, and Phil Kessel is our first line right winger, Clarkson is not a fit as a top-6 forward on this team. How long he's signed for or how much money we're paying him doesn't change that.

At this point, they either need to start finding out if the guy can carve out a role as a useful third liner for us, or they need to start considering making other changes to make our top-6 more accomodating to David Clarkson's presence (to be clear, I think this course of action would be insane). If by the end of next year, this guy's still a useless fish out of water for us, they need to start exploring trade options or grit their teeth and buy him out.

LeafOfFaith
03-17-2014, 12:52 PM
Me too.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 12:56 PM
Clarkson has only played with Kadri and Lupul lately when Holland has been out and Kuly has had to play center.

That line doesn't work with Raymond either.

Bleedsblue&white
03-17-2014, 12:57 PM
I'm still holding out hope that Clarkson can develop some chemistry with Bolland, if he ever returns. That could be the makings of a killer 3rd line.

Yeah, I'm hoping the same.

zeke
03-17-2014, 12:58 PM
It would be a good opportunity for a rw prospect like leivo or abbott to get a look.

But they call up mclaren instead.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 01:00 PM
Clarkson has only played with Kadri and Lupul lately when Holland has been out and Kuly has had to play center.

That line doesn't work with Raymond either.
I get that. And I agree Raymond's a terrible fit for that line.

But it's not like Clarkson is literally the only other option we have for that line, besides Kuly or Raymond.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 01:03 PM
I get that. And I agree Raymond's a terrible fit for that line.

But it's not like Clarkson is literally the only other option we have for that line, besides Kuly or Raymond.

Well he kind of is right now. I guess they could try Bodie or Ashton there but that doesn't do anything.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 01:13 PM
Well he kind of is right now. I guess they could try Bodie or Ashton there but that doesn't do anything.
?

leafman101
03-17-2014, 01:15 PM
They aren't top six players either. Hell they might not even be NHLers.

As much as we hate Clarkson, those guys aren't better than him.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 01:21 PM
They aren't top six players either. Hell they might not even be NHLers.
We won't know unless we try though, right?

I prefer that option to throwing in the towel on our second line, or continuing to hope that a terrible fit will magically start working.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 01:34 PM
Playing a guy with multiple 20 goal seasons over playing guys with 9 career goals combined isn't exactly throwing in the towel.

Clarkson has 5 seasons with production equal to or better than Ashton and Bodie's career totals combined.

We know.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 01:40 PM
Career totals is a pretty weak supporting argument to turn to when one of the alternatives in question is a 22 year-old prospect with 46 career NHL games under his belt. We know he's a more established NHL player than Carter Ashton. We know he's a better offensive player than Troy Bodie. But he's not working on that line, and we need to try something else.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 01:41 PM
And Bodie and Ashton aren't better options. Why pretend?

Calling up a guy like Leivo or Abbott maybe. But they aren't trying out rookies with 13 games left.

Just need to get healthy. Holland was only out with the flu yesterday.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 01:42 PM
I take it your crystal ball has told you this, much as it told you that we had no better option than giving Jay McClement consistent second line minutes earlier in the season?

zeke
03-17-2014, 01:47 PM
It won't last, but bodie is not just playing well but produce at quite a good per-minute level (i.e. At a 40-50pt pace projected to clarkson's minutes).

And right now he plays a very effective complimentary game becaus 1) he's always winning puck races and forcing turnovers, 2) never overhandling the puck and always deferring to linematez and 3) when he's in a tight spot just fires the puck hard toward the net instead of trying an extra move.

Randy shouldn't hesitate to give loks to bodie on that line if he's sticking with this lineup.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 01:54 PM
I take it your crystal ball has told you this, much as it told you that we had no better option than giving Jay McClement consistent second line minutes earlier in the season?

Not sure I said that, but we didn't until we picked up Holland.

You don't need a crystal ball to know that Clarkson is better than Bodie and Ashton. Its backed up by years of hard evidence.

GEEMAN
03-17-2014, 02:14 PM
I don't think anyone's suggesting that. But he's gotten more than a fair shot on the right side with Lupul and Kadri, and it just doesn't work. And even worse than him not clicking with that line is that Lupul and Kadri have looked markedly better whenever just about anybody else has been tried there in Clarkson's place. A couple of noticeable examples being Nikolai Kulemin and Troy Bodie(!).

Keeping him there would fit the definition of insanity at this point. So, they just need to come to terms with the situation. As long as Kadri is our second line center, and Phil Kessel is our first line right winger, Clarkson is not a fit as a top-6 forward on this team. How long he's signed for or how much money we're paying him doesn't change that.

At this point, they either need to start finding out if the guy can carve out a role as a useful third liner for us, or they need to start considering making other changes to make our top-6 more accomodating to David Clarkson's presence (to be clear, I think this course of action would be insane). If by the end of next year, this guy's still a useless fish out of water for us, they need to start exploring trade options or grit their teeth and buy him out.

no chance of a buyout for 10- 12 years on the cap , the Leafs paying 40%+ of his salary in a deal possibly , or find a team that has another stupid contract to unload , where the player may have a better fit/role with the Leafs .

zeke
03-17-2014, 02:48 PM
Not sure I said that, but we didn't until we picked up Holland.

You don't need a crystal ball to know that Clarkson is better than Bodie and Ashton. Its backed up by years of hard evidence.

Years of hard evidence tell us that we can't expect more out of clarkson at even strength than what bodie is giving us right now.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 02:58 PM
We also have years of hard evidence that Carter Ashton isn't capable of producing at the NHL lev....

...oh, wait. We don't. Since Ashton is only 22 and has only played 40 odd NHL games mostly in a fourth line role, and all.

Pronger84
03-17-2014, 03:28 PM
It's one of those games where the Leafs chose to show up 20 minutes late and found out the hard way you can't make up for not playing a period by playing well in the 2nd and 3rd.

How is the team so badly prepared to start a game time after times is beyond me, and while they made it close, it wasn't enough vs. a desperate team making the playoff push.

I really think this Clarkson experiment gotta stop. He'll get plenty of chances to prove himself over the next 7 years or whatever, but he drags down the 2nd line right now. Every time the puck is on his stick he kills the play either by giving it away, or mis-passing it, or shooting it at the net when there's no chance whatsoever it'll go in. Without production from the 2nd line the 1st line has to produce every game for them to win.

I see a lot of criticisms on Gardiner's pinch. 1 goal down and less than 10 minutes to play, you obviously have to take some chances. I had no problem with Gardiner pinching, and that is not even comparable to the brain-cramps of Franson.

With the Leafs loss, and the Habs win we lose the 2nd place back to the Habs. Price is back and the Habs will probably stop sliding, so it's important we don't take our foot off the pedal and start feeling good for ourselves taking 4 out of 6 points on west coast.

And yeah, that PK ... man our system sucks. WSH created two 2on1 downlow and scored easily on both, because we run a stupid PK system. That has gotta stop.

1. I keep saying this team is emotionally immature and I stand by it, we have seen they can have periods where they dominate at times but a lot of games they start slow and when they have the lead in the third they stop trying usually. The best way to rectify this is Nonis needs to go out and bring in veterans, ones who can play a hard nosed 200 foot game and know the sacrifices of winning a hockey game, we have skill but very little substance on this team.

2. Agreed, Clarkson isn't a fit on the 2nd line he just doesn't have the skill level or speed to keep up, all Clarkson does is fire weak shots at the goalie from the most absurd angles. The one good thing he is good at is cycling the puck but he needs to be on a line with guys who play a simliar game, Kadri and Lupul are permiter/rush players and they and Clarkson don't match each other out there on the ice.

3. I see a big problem with it, he tried to get too fancy there and held the puck too long which is why Chimera was able to swipe it off him and go for the breakaway, all Gardiner had to do was make the safe/simple pass to one of our forwards out there and let them take care of the offense. I'm not blaming him for the loss, I mean lets face it the game was lost half way through the 1st, but I do blame Gardiner for harming our chances of potentially getting back in the game, those 2 mins killing the penalty would have been better served attacking the caps 5o5.

4. Detroit is a must win game tommorow.

LeafOfFaith
03-17-2014, 03:48 PM
P84 has become the most valuable contributor to this forum.

MVC.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 03:51 PM
Years of hard evidence tell us that we can't expect more out of clarkson at even strength than what bodie is giving us right now.

Years of hard evidence also tell us we can't expect that out of Bodie.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 03:53 PM
...oh, wait. We don't. Since Ashton is only 22 and has only played 40 odd NHL games mostly in a fourth line role, and all.

...and has had an even worse case of stone hands than Clarkson. Forgot that part.

zeke
03-17-2014, 04:35 PM
Years of hard evidence also tell us we can't expect that out of Bodie.

If he blows the chance, try someone else.

LeafGm
03-17-2014, 04:49 PM
If he blows the chance, try someone else.
Nahh. That doesn't jibe with leafman's mantra.

"Don't change anything, because we can't possibly do any better."

Preston_Mizzi
03-17-2014, 06:53 PM
btw Holland was a healthy scratch yesterday. If he's playing, Clarkson isn't on the 2nd line blackholing it up. So there goes leafman's argument..

leafman101
03-17-2014, 07:10 PM
Heh. You guys are funny.

I'm not saying don't change anything. I'm saying Clarkson is clearly the best option there. And I don't even like Clarkson, I am one of his biggest detractors here, since day one. I'm just being realistic. The guy is a proven NHL player.

But no, lets just start playing AHLers in the top 6. That is what you guys consistently want to do. You never knock Carlyle for playing shitty players too high in the lineup...

Wayward DP
03-17-2014, 07:38 PM
Heh. You guys are funny.

I'm not saying don't change anything. I'm saying Clarkson is clearly the best option there. And I don't even like Clarkson, I am one of his biggest detractors here, since day one. I'm just being realistic. The guy is a proven NHL player.

But no, lets just start playing AHLers in the top 6. That is what you guys consistently want to do. You never knock Carlyle for playing shitty players too high in the lineup...

Are you really going to try to argue that Clarkson's a better fit on that line than Kuly? I mean, power to you if you do, but good luck.

And I don't think you can say Clarkson has outplayed Bodie this season, past track record or not.

Colby Armstrong was a proven NHLer when we signed him, we saw what happened there...

leafman101
03-17-2014, 07:58 PM
No not than Kuly. I mean with Holland out and Kuly as the 3rd line center.

MindzEye
03-17-2014, 08:23 PM
No not than Kuly. I mean with Holland out and Kuly as the 3rd line center.

The problem with a 2nd line featuring Clarkson goes a bit deeper than the career numbers difference between Clarkson and the rest who would compete with him for the spot imo. Current form is an obvious discussion point as is chemistry. Quite frankly, every time Clarkson has been parachuted on the 2nd line, it tends to disappear offensively. Whether one wants to blame Clarkson for that is besides the point really, when all that matters is that the line produces. I could care less if Ashton, Abbott, Bodie, etc, etc is a lesser player overall than Clarkson if his style of play leads to situations in which Kadri & Lupul are producing offensively.

leafman101
03-17-2014, 08:36 PM
Yeah maybe thats true. But in fairness those guys have been inconsistent offensively and disapeared with everyone they have played with this year including Kessel and JVR. Not sure you can blame it all on Clarkson.

Bleedsblue&white
03-17-2014, 08:42 PM
Maybe it's not all Clarkson, but enough that the third line is better for him and us.

MindzEye
03-17-2014, 09:09 PM
Yeah maybe thats true. But in fairness those guys have been inconsistent offensively and disapeared with everyone they have played with this year including Kessel and JVR. Not sure you can blame it all on Clarkson.

There has been a noticeable difference, even inside of the same game, between Clarkson on that line, & Kule. If you know something is broken (Clarkson on the 2nd line), there's no point in leaving it broken and hoping for the best. Get creative and see what happens. Ashton isn't a NHL 2nd liner and might never be, but he brings a size/speed combination similar to Kulemin, and might be a better Kulemin proxy until we have a legit 3rd line centre back in the lineup.

What we do know is that for whatever reason, that line sucks with Clarkson on it. Kadri & Lupul may have disappeared for stretches with others on their line, but they disappear every time Clarkson is on their line, and haven't really ever appeared while he was out there with them.

LeafOfFaith
03-17-2014, 09:23 PM
It is really weird how unbelievably bad the signing has turned out so far.

I can't believe that a guy who has scored at the modest level Clarkson has has now suddenly turned to shit.

Leafin'
03-17-2014, 09:47 PM
He can't get much worse now can he?

I still say that he'll be a worthwhile contributor in the playoffs when the game slows down a bit. Clarkson is a guy with some playoff experience, and hopefully is a guy that gives the smurf Habs some trouble.

Cross your fingers folks. If he scores me one garbage(crash the net type) GWG in the playoffs, he will be worth the contract. If he punches a Gallagher in the face as well...

Pronger84
03-18-2014, 01:19 AM
You know it's pathetic when Paul Ranger is outscoring you and your being paid $5.25M to pot 15-20 goals/40ish points a season. I'm sorry but Clarkson needs to GTFO off the 2nd line, he just isn't working out there, Kulemin is a much better fit (even though he too is snake bitten) and bump Clarkson down to the 3rd as well have Holland anchor the 3rd line until Bolland is ready to return.