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MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-23-2014, 12:09 PM
http://www.nhlsnipers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Maple-Leafs-01.jpg

Biggest game of the year. A must win in every sense of the word. Reimer will be in net again. There are no excuses.

CRL
03-23-2014, 12:10 PM
Reimer will be in net again - is excuse

Killer93
03-23-2014, 12:11 PM
They will win tonight

trujaysfan
03-23-2014, 12:14 PM
Just Fing win tonight boys.... where is the swullet?

Preston_Mizzi
03-23-2014, 12:15 PM
Donezo with a loss.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 12:19 PM
Donezo with a loss.

Pretty ****ing close...yeah

Need 11 points minimum, 12 points probably, with the Detroit game being a must win even if we pull off 11-12 points out of the next 20.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 12:24 PM
Donezo with a loss.

The way I look at it we need 7 wins (14 points) out of our next 10 games to squeak in, 3 more regulation losses and its caputski for the Leafs.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 12:27 PM
10 games left we need 7 wins...but if we lose 3 times its over?? Check your math.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 12:31 PM
It is sad though that its basically come to this. Though 2 points tonight would keep the Leafs in control still.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 12:36 PM
The way I look at it we need 7 wins (14 points) out of our next 10 games to squeak in, 3 more regulation losses and its caputski for the Leafs.

It's highly unlikely that we need 94 points to get in. The 8th seed is currently on pace for 92 points, the 9 seed for 90 points, and the 10 seed for 91.

Fwiw, the 6 seed is on pace for 93 points and the 5 seed for 97. In all likelihood, 94 points would land us in 6th.

Deckie007
03-23-2014, 12:37 PM
The way I look at it we need 7 wins (14 points) out of our next 10 games to squeak in, 3 more regulation losses and its caputski for the Leafs.

LOL

Is this guy serious?

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 12:40 PM
Other than St.Louis, Leafs have 4 winnable games as long as they get stable goaltending...hopefully Bernier is back Tuesday/Friday.

Bleedsblue&white
03-23-2014, 12:42 PM
I don't see the downside in starting Drew.
As far as I understand it, the bridge is already burning so we're not talking about coddling Reimer anymore, he has let in soft goals to start just about every game since Bernie's injury...what's the downside?

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 12:48 PM
If we lose this one we're going to have to start talking about 18-wheelers and cliffs again...

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 01:05 PM
LOL

Is this guy serious?

My math was off there, anything more then 4 regulation losses and it's over for the Leafs, not sure where I got 3 from.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 01:08 PM
Leafs just need to find a way to get points in the games they do lose.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 01:09 PM
Leafs just need to find a way to get points in the games they do lose.

I remember the last time we had a 4 game losing streak we followed it up with a 5 game winning one, lets hope history repeats itself starting tonight.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 01:24 PM
My math was off there, anything more then 4 regulation losses and it's over for the Leafs, not sure where I got 3 from.

I'll guess impact trauma.

Anyone else? We can start a pool.

Preston_Mizzi
03-23-2014, 01:29 PM
hahaha

trujaysfan
03-23-2014, 01:33 PM
I'll guess impact trauma.

Anyone else? We can start a pool.

meh probably just got lost while counting to potato

Deckie007
03-23-2014, 01:53 PM
meh probably just got lost while counting to potato

1 potato
2 potato
3 potato
Purple Donkey Cotton Hamburger

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 02:21 PM
meh probably just got lost while counting to potato

You're giving 110%, I can tell, I know about these things.

Habspatrol
03-23-2014, 02:26 PM
It takes a team effort, everyone buying in... one post at a time.

MyNameIsJonas
03-23-2014, 02:35 PM
I had a good guess, then i lost my confidence to say it.

Artnes
03-23-2014, 02:57 PM
If we let in another softie to start the game I will hire Jonas to start burning things and Timmy and Mindz to break people

Blueman
03-23-2014, 03:06 PM
Tonya Harding is available

Wayward DP
03-23-2014, 03:28 PM
Any word on who's in net?

Gotta think Randy gives Drew a start after Reim's performance last night, 2nd night of a back-to-back. Unless Randy has more faith in Reims than he's led us to believe...

leafman101
03-23-2014, 03:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPbN72u4hxs

Killer93
03-23-2014, 03:32 PM
Columbus lost in regulation today, win tonight puts us 4 pts ahead

leafman101
03-23-2014, 03:34 PM
I think that might be the dirtiest play of all time.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 03:35 PM
Any word on who's in net?

Gotta think Randy gives Drew a start after Reim's performance last night, 2nd night of a back-to-back. Unless Randy has more faith in Reims than he's led us to believe...

Reimer's starting

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 03:36 PM
I think that might be the dirtiest play of all time.

and the dumbest...probably cost us a shot at the cup.

leafman101
03-23-2014, 03:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6U7FEovvqM

leafman101
03-23-2014, 03:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ9Q23-oViQ

Habspatrol
03-23-2014, 03:40 PM
That is just such a brutal play. Tough to recall many dirtier.

McSorley on Brashear, Hunter on Turgeon and Bertuzzi on Moore come to mind.

Habspatrol
03-23-2014, 03:42 PM
and the dumbest...probably cost us a shot at the cup.

Seeing as I'm not a Leaf fan I don't recall what happened... how did it cost the Leafs a shot at the Cup?

leafman101
03-23-2014, 03:45 PM
That is just such a brutal play. Tough to recall many dirtier.

McSorley on Brashear, Hunter on Turgeon and Bertuzzi on Moore come to mind.

The McSorley anbd Bertuzzi ones ended up badly, but they evolved from heated situations and just got out of hand.

Hunter and Domi just flat out went after the other teams best player to hurt them.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 03:46 PM
Leafs were up 3-2 on the Devils, heading back to New Jersey after that elbow, Devils promptly out scored the Leafs 9-3 over the last two games.

Habspatrol
03-23-2014, 03:46 PM
The McSorley anbd Bertuzzi ones ended up badly, but they evolved from heated situations and just got out of hand.

Hunter and Domi just flat out went after the other teams best player to hurt them.

Funny, I was going to make that same distinction.

Habspatrol
03-23-2014, 03:47 PM
Leafs were up 3-2 on the Devils, heading back to New Jersey after that elbow, Devils promptly out scored the Leafs 9-3 over the last two games.

Ahhhh... it motivated the Devils.

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 03:48 PM
The Hunter/Turgeon one is right up there.

leafman101
03-23-2014, 03:52 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko7opk3DS24


Love Pilon just launching himself into Hunter.

Artnes
03-23-2014, 04:04 PM
Love those caps pants

Corky27
03-23-2014, 05:47 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8pm_8p34-A

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 05:51 PM
Love how the narrative changes in this city, first it was "we aren't playing Reimer enough, the team doesn't respect him" now its "we're playing Reimer too much, the team's hanging him out to dry"....

Artnes
03-23-2014, 06:04 PM
The corsi crew were grasping last night looking for every excuse possible to blame his poor play lately on everyone but him.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 06:14 PM
Love how the narrative changes in this city, first it was "we aren't playing Reimer enough, the team doesn't respect him" now its "we're playing Reimer too much, the team's hanging him out to dry"....

The twitter narrative today from the Corsi brigade is to blame our defensive play and that Reimer has been fine. They've been pumping his .922 EV%....which really isn't that high, but it looks high, so let's just ignore the fact that most good goalies have EV%'s in the .930's. If Reimer had a EV% of .922 all season, he would rank 20th in the NHL, right behind Craig Anderson.

The other really telling thing about their narrative that they're not talking about is that the Leafs have been a much better Corsi team during this stretch

Corsi%

Vs Habs - 54.1%
Vs Lightning - 50.8%
Vs Wings - 49.6%
Vs Caps - 44.3%

So....here's how this narrative has changed over the course of the season

44% Corsi + .925 starting goaltender = Team sucks, Bernier is saving them, completely unsustainable
51.4% Corsi + .882 starting goaltender = Team sucks, it's not Reimer's fault he can't save them, this is the correction we've been warning you about.

Blueman
03-23-2014, 06:16 PM
#teamreimer

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 06:16 PM
The corsi crew were grasping last night looking for every excuse possible to blame his poor play lately on everyone but him.

51.4% Corsi percentage over the last 4 games.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 06:18 PM
I wasn't sure about the numbers, but I was right about them being a positive corsi team last night and losing, it seems.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 06:20 PM
the media is driving a wedge right between reimer and the team and city.

the thing is, though, in retrospect it looks like they jumped at getting a goaltender because they saw an opportunity to get a pretty special one for pennies on the dollar in bernier.

reimer has been given opportunities this year and he just hasn't been up to the task. earlier in the year he wasn't awful, but his play did slip whereas bernier excelled. however, the argument always was -- at some point they are going to need reimer (either because bernier's play slips or other reasons), and at htat point reimer will be given the reins and an opportunity to win back his playing time.

well, they hit a point in the year where they needed him and, not only has reimer not performed as well as bernier -- he has flat out choked.

the media can turn this into a leafs- or carlyle- vs reimer thing, but it isn't.

the leafs brought in a guy to compete with reimer, a goalie with two excellent (near elite) half seasons wedged between an awful, injury plagued season, who has had problems staying healthy throughout his career dating back to junior. that guy outperformed reimer and won the starting job outright. reimer wasnt' bad -just not as good as bernier.

but now, it's all on reimer. they're giving him his opportunity and he's doing nothing to help himself. not only that but given that he seems to be falling apart, you have to think that they must be feeling pretty relieved about going out and getting bernier...

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 06:22 PM
I wasn't sure about the numbers, but I was right about them being a positive corsi team last night and losing, it seems.

Here's the thing, I don't necessarily disagree with the Corsi crowd on a few things. Possession is important. The Leafs looked excellent last night and the skaters played a really solid game against a good team. But there's more that determines a good team than possession. Possession and skill is the way to go. Goal scoring is a skill, goaltending is skill based. If your numbers are telling you that team SV% corrects to the mean, you've done something wrong. The Leafs have 2 sides of that pyramid figured out. Highly skilled goaltending, and highly skilled goal scoring. If they can play like they did last night, 40-50 times a season, they're going to be a very difficult team to beat for anyone.

Where the Corsi crowd goes off the rails is that they've invented numbers to say that Corsi/possession analogues are all important indicators and then they work at spinning the numbers to explain away any failings of that doctrine. While doing so they completely discount things are ridiculous on their face like goaltending returning to the mean, and skill not being important, etc. One major positive this season though is that the baseball numbers crowd has taken an interest in the argument and some of their luminaries have punched major holes in the hockey metrics crowd's number games.

rated
03-23-2014, 06:24 PM
Yeah media has been creating this drama all year long and the dumb fans are getting suckered into it.

I've said all year long the leafs have 2 legit goalies and they probably still do, but I'm seriously starting to have doubts about Reimer. This season has showed he's maybe not mentally capable of being a #1 in a big market like Toronto.

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 06:24 PM
The goaltending hasn't been good enough the past four games. Sub .900.

Reimer's gotta step up.

Leafyblue
03-23-2014, 06:27 PM
3-0 Leafs tonight.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 06:27 PM
The Leafs have been in 4 winnable games during this losing streak, lets end this tonight.

Artnes
03-23-2014, 06:28 PM
Clarkson plays his best game of the year tonight.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 06:32 PM
Here's the thing, I don't necessarily disagree with the Corsi crowd on a few things. Possession is important. The Leafs looked excellent last night and the skaters played a really solid game against a good team. But there's more that determines a good team than possession. Possession and skill is the way to go. Goal scoring is a skill, goaltending is skill based. If your numbers are telling you that team SV% corrects to the mean, you've done something wrong. The Leafs have 2 sides of that pyramid figured out. Highly skilled goaltending, and highly skilled goal scoring. If they can play like they did last night, 40-50 times a season, they're going to be a very difficult team to beat for anyone.

i think a big part of the problem is trying to distill hockey down to one stat. that, to me, makes no sense at all given the different positions, varying skill sets (both between the positions and amongst players who play the same position) and fluidity of the game.

other issues with the stat are (i) it is dependent on 11 other people and (ii) it is based on an assumption (that shots = good and shots against = bad).

it's like the proponents are trying to use corsi like the OPS of hockey, but have lost sight of the fact that OPS tracks several stats (how often a player gets a hit, how often a player walks, how many bases the batter gets to on the basis of the hit), that OPS has fewer variables (batter vs hitter with a small defensive variable) and has no assumptions (fact: getting hits is good. fact: getting walks is good. fact: a double is better than a single, a triple is better than a double or a single and a home run is better than a triple, double and single).

and to see the shortcomings with the stat you need look no further than grabovski. subjectively and objectively -- he is a talented hockey player, he skates well. he handles the puck well. he's pretty responsible all over the ice. grabovski's a nice player to have on your team. but while his corsi might be very good, hockey is still a game in which you need to score goals, and there is no doubt that a guy like i.e. kadri brings tangible skills to the table that separate him from a guy like grabovski, based on his ability to create offense...

Blueman
03-23-2014, 06:33 PM
Please let me know if anyone has a good feed for this one

Matrim
03-23-2014, 06:39 PM
Please let me know if anyone has a good feed for this one

http://ourleafs.blogspot.ca/

The first one is the best.

Blueman
03-23-2014, 06:45 PM
http://ourleafs.blogspot.ca/

The first one is the best.
Thank you sir! Gave up on this site as it didn't have games for a while.

Blueman
03-23-2014, 06:57 PM
Bolland with a beauty defensive play

Blueman
03-23-2014, 06:59 PM
turrible call

Killer93
03-23-2014, 06:59 PM
Big PK needed

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 07:06 PM
Thank you sir! Gave up on this site as it didn't have games for a while.

Follow their new VLC set up instructions and you'll never miss another game.

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 07:10 PM
... really? Really?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-23-2014, 07:10 PM
1-0 Devils

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 07:10 PM
Crap.

Killer93
03-23-2014, 07:11 PM
Hahahaha

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 07:11 PM
another brutal goal on reimer.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 07:11 PM
ya. it was a bad change. ya, rielly shouldn't have jumped.

but holy ****... reimer.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-23-2014, 07:11 PM
Brutal goal by Reimer.

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 07:11 PM
I don't think we're gonna make the playoffs if we don't win this one.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:11 PM
Mirtle blaming Rielly..

mbow30
03-23-2014, 07:12 PM
rielly should have retreated, but he saw bolland back there and thought they had 2 men back.

bolland shouldn't ahve changed there.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 07:13 PM
what is millen talking about?

the 3rd line was on.. bolland wasn't on to take that faceoff. his whole linte was on the ice.

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 07:16 PM
****ed

Montana
03-23-2014, 07:17 PM
#wretchedreimer

blacksheep
03-23-2014, 07:19 PM
and the dumbest...probably cost us a shot at the cup.
Our dumbest player still wears #28

Corky27
03-23-2014, 07:20 PM
Liked what i saw from : Raymond, Lupul, Kadri, Bozak and Gardiner. Didn't like Bolland, Phaneuf, Clarkson and Orr.

blacksheep
03-23-2014, 07:20 PM
Brutal goal by Reimer.
This is a recording

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:21 PM
simmonssteve
That's a stoppable puck after a bad line change and ill advised pinch. Three things went wrong.

And I never agree with Simmons....

Blueman
03-23-2014, 07:25 PM
Reims has to have that one, but he played decent the rest of the period. The forwards seemed a bit shell shocked all game and out of sync.

Hopefully they regroup and take it to the Devils after the intermission.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 07:27 PM
I'm not watching the game tonight, how are the Leafs looking tonight?

CRL
03-23-2014, 07:27 PM
I'm not watching the game tonight, how are the Leafs looking tonight?

not good

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 07:31 PM
not good

shit.

blacksheep
03-23-2014, 07:33 PM
Two games in a row with a bad change.
That's not the coach's fault!

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:35 PM
shit.

Not quite, they look like they have the past few games, pretty decent and then one mistake ends up in their net.

PKForce81
03-23-2014, 07:36 PM
Follow their new VLC set up instructions and you'll never miss another game.

You beautiful man. Thanks, it works great.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 07:37 PM
Not quite, they look like they have the past few games, pretty decent and then one mistake ends up in their net.

lol i was saying "shit" out of frustration not that the Leafs are playing like shit, I don't know how their playing right now, that's why I asked.

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 07:38 PM
Yikes, lucky that wasn't 2.

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 07:38 PM
Nevermind there's #2

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 07:39 PM
... **** this team right now. They ****ing blow.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:39 PM
It was a nice dream while it lasted....can't win with Reimer in net.

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 07:40 PM
and #3

SundinsTooth
03-23-2014, 07:40 PM
Wouldn't do to make playoffs two years in a row.

Matrim
03-23-2014, 07:40 PM
Wow

axlsalinger
03-23-2014, 07:40 PM
Drew McIntyre Time! (3 goals too late)

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 07:40 PM
Might as well launch the truck off the cliff at maximum velocity, eh Reimer?

**** me this team is hard to follow.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 07:40 PM
Should have started Mac tonight....

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 07:41 PM
That will be the last time we see Reimer in a Toronto Maple Leaf net I think

Blueman
03-23-2014, 07:41 PM
reims is done

blacksheep
03-23-2014, 07:41 PM
That's all for Reimer. Gone this summer for sure

Montana
03-23-2014, 07:41 PM
#wretchedreimer



.907 on the year now.

Deckie007
03-23-2014, 07:41 PM
Wow. Why did Reimer start again?

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 07:41 PM
I can't believe Reimer whined when Carlyle said he was just okay the other night and then puts forward this shit.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 07:42 PM
So...if we collapse our way out of the playoffs...does Randy get fired?

Blueman
03-23-2014, 07:42 PM
2 softies again.. man, was really hoping Reimer could rise to the challenge

axlsalinger
03-23-2014, 07:42 PM
Randy's answer to that question tonight: "*&#$ #*&&$ @^#&#*($@##$*($&$&#^*$ ^*&"

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 07:43 PM
So...if we collapse our way out of the playoffs...does Randy get fired?

I think he should, and IF Tort's gets fired from Van the Leafs should sign him, he's the type of coach this team needs.

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 07:43 PM
So...if we collapse our way out of the playoffs...does Randy get fired?

I think there's a chance, but Nonis has to be careful about when to fire that bullet.

KingTucker
03-23-2014, 07:43 PM
I'm not watching the game tonight, how are the Leafs looking tonight?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VoTFC2Qzwg

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 07:43 PM
2 softies again.. man, was really hoping Reimer could rise to the challenge

That would imply he's able to show up when it matters most and we all know that's not true, when does Bernier come back?

Leafyblue
03-23-2014, 07:43 PM
I hope this isn't my fault. I bought a dozen ProV last week. :(

Bleedsblue&white
03-23-2014, 07:44 PM
Here's hoping Drew can hold us together and Vernier gets back.
This is the Boston collapse before we even get there.

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 07:44 PM
Hey guys, did you know Reimer sucking is all Carlyle's fault? Habs board always good for a laugh.

axlsalinger
03-23-2014, 07:44 PM
Anyone looking for a Reimer jersey, at least you should be able to get a great price.

KingTucker
03-23-2014, 07:44 PM
So...if we collapse our way out of the playoffs...does Randy get fired?

Yes, and Laviolette please if he's still hunting.

trujaysfan
03-23-2014, 07:45 PM
Tim L will be doing his organizational review in the offseason... pretty much everyone could be on the hot seat in the offseason if they miss

axlsalinger
03-23-2014, 07:45 PM
Hey guys, did you know Reimer sucking is all Carlyle's fault? Habs board always good for a laugh.

Well, he did hurt poor wittle Jamie's feelings with his mean-spirited honesty.

JackBurton
03-23-2014, 07:45 PM
Wil Reimer's Agent whine on Twitter tonight?

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:46 PM
Hey guys, did you know Reimer sucking is all Carlyle's fault? Habs board always good for a laugh.

You haven't been on twitter recently, have you? People are back to bringing up Grabo/MacArthur.

Deckie007
03-23-2014, 07:46 PM
That will be the last time we see Reimer in a Toronto Maple Leaf net I hope

FYP

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 07:47 PM
You haven't been on twitter recently, have you? People are back to bringing up Grabo/MacArthur.

Oh for crying out loud.

Montana
03-23-2014, 07:47 PM
3 year splits

James Reimer = .911

Jonathan Bernier = .922

JackBurton
03-23-2014, 07:47 PM
You haven't been on twitter recently, have you? People are back to bringing up Grabo/MacArthur.

Those guys always bring in their teams to the playoffs.

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 07:47 PM
bingo, that's one. Let's go!

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
I think he should, and IF Tort's gets fired from Van the Leafs should sign him, he's the type of coach this team needs.

Funny, people thought the same about him going to Vancouver.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
Watch the Leafs win this game with MacIntyre in net.

JackBurton
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
You haven't been on twitter recently, have you? People are back to bringing up Grabo/MacArthur.

Those guys always bring in their teams to the playoffs.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
God bless those young bastards

trujaysfan
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
Nice pass by the young kid

axlsalinger
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
Great plays by Jake-Rielly and Bozie. Maybe there's still a chance?

Bleedsblue&white
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
We're in this one.

blacksheep
03-23-2014, 07:48 PM
Wil Reimer's Agent whine on Twitter tonight?
I sure hope so.

Blueman
03-23-2014, 07:49 PM
3 goal lead is the toughest one to keep :thumbup:

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:49 PM
Funny, people thought the same about him going to Vancouver.

Zeke likes Torts, that's already 1 strike.

Deckie007
03-23-2014, 07:49 PM
Reilly, you beautiful bastard!

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 07:49 PM
done, so done this year.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:51 PM
done, so done this year.

You're here, the Leafs must be losing.

CRL
03-23-2014, 07:51 PM
You're here, the Leafs must be losing.

not losing but blowing playoffs chance

blacksheep
03-23-2014, 07:51 PM
Funny, people thought the same about him going to Vancouver.
Ever notice how much better former torts players play when they go to a new team?

Corky27
03-23-2014, 07:53 PM
Detroit up 2-0 after one period....

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 07:53 PM
You are being a dummy again, some things never change. I was here when we won vs anaheim and la, check before you make posts that make you look stupid.

Your blind following of this team is kinda sad though.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:54 PM
Luckily we're 3 points up on them and Columbus lost...its the Caps that scare me right now.

Metalleaf
03-23-2014, 07:54 PM
You are being a dummy again, some things never change. I was here when we won vs anaheim and la, check before you make posts that make you look stupid.

Your blind following of this team is kinda sad though.

Like when you quote yourself by accident? Cheer up man...season ain't over yet.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 07:54 PM
Zeke likes Torts, that's already 1 strike.

I don't blame Zeke for that, he's genetically required to like Italians

Feyd
03-23-2014, 07:56 PM
I think he should, and IF Tort's gets fired from Van the Leafs should sign him, he's the type of coach this team needs.
Are you kidding me? Torts is terrible. I'd take Carlyle over him ANY day of the week.

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 07:57 PM
Like when you quote yourself by accident? Cheer up man...season ain't over yet.
Season aint over, but it looks bleak as all hell....maybe recognizing is the first step to protect yourself against potential disappointment.

If there is any criticism against this team, its now, not sure why some leaf fans are so fragile against questioning where this team is heading...

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:00 PM
i want to know the conversation the brain trust had when they decided to pitch on clarkson.

did they ever watch this guy play?

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:00 PM
not sure why some leaf fans are so fragile against questioning where this team is heading

Very young, talented team that will never be unable to spend to the cap to compete? Why would a Leaf fan let a late season, goaltending fuelled slide create questions about where this team is going?

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:00 PM
i want to know the conversation the brain trust had when they decided to pitch on clarkson.

did they ever watch this guy play?

Stunning isn't it?

Corky27
03-23-2014, 08:01 PM
something tells me we win this....

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 08:01 PM
Raymond has to wire that, ****.

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 08:01 PM
Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 9s
Leafs are a deeply flawed team that can't win without Vezina-quality goaltending. Call me crazy, but that’s not the backup goalie’s fault.

I used to love DGB.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 08:02 PM
Like when you quote yourself by accident? Cheer up man...season ain't over yet.

Yes there's still some hope left, but it's time to be at least a little bit concerned about where this team is headed.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 08:03 PM
Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 9s
Leafs are a deeply flawed team that can't win without Vezina-quality goaltending. Call me crazy, but that’s not the backup goalie’s fault.

I used to love DGB.

He's right though this team is a run n gun team that needs elite goaltending to thrive, nothing DWB said isn't accurate.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:03 PM
Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 9s
Leafs are a deeply flawed team that can't win without Vezina-quality goaltending. Call me crazy, but that’s not the backup goalie’s fault.

I used to love DGB.

the problem is that they've been getting 1980s quality goaltending the past 7 games.

Feyd
03-23-2014, 08:05 PM
i want to know the conversation the brain trust had when they decided to pitch on clarkson.

did they ever watch this guy play?
In terms of value for the $, he's gotta be one of the worst ever to wear the blue & white.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 08:05 PM
You are being a dummy again, some things never change. I was here when we won vs anaheim and la, check before you make posts that make you look stupid.

Your blind following of this team is kinda sad though.

Dude chill out, I've known Metal since Grade school he's actually really intelligent when it comes to hockey... sure he can be a bit over optimistic about the Leafs at times but he's intelligent when it comes to hockey and sports in general.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:05 PM
Down Goes Brown ‏@DownGoesBrown 9s
Leafs are a deeply flawed team that can't win without Vezina-quality goaltending. Call me crazy, but that’s not the backup goalie’s fault.

I used to love DGB.

I got into a few twitters tiffs earlier, but I've decided to cease all twitter based Leaf activities. You simply can't explain why these people are wrong in 140 characters.

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 08:07 PM
the medium lends itself to shallow thought and analysis, let's face it.

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 08:09 PM
Huge PP here, I'm looking at you #81

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:09 PM
kadri's gotta stay on his feet there, use his hips to fight through and create space, and get a shot there. the pp is nice but they'll be hard pressed to get a better opportunity than that,.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:09 PM
He's right though this team is a run n gun team that needs elite goaltending to thrive, nothing DWB said isn't accurate.

Well, except for the fact that we've never received Vezina quality goaltending. Bernier has been deserving consideration for a Vezina nomination this season. But so have Bishop, Rask, Varlamov, Harding was the run away favourite in the first half until health got in the way, Price, & even Ryan Miller in a lot of years. What's that almost a quarter the starting goaltenders in the league?

When you have to make up facts to make a smarmy point (as DGB has done here) odds are that your point isn't much of one.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:10 PM
this cameraman sucks

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:10 PM
kadri's gotta stay on his feet there, use his hips to fight through and create space, and get a shot there. the pp is nice but they'll be hard pressed to get a better opportunity than that,.

No lower body strength. The kid needs to spend the summer in the gym if he's going to go to the next level consistently.

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 08:11 PM
For the love of the holy baby, SCORE.

trujaysfan
03-23-2014, 08:11 PM
2 man advantage for 1:16 gotta get one here

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-23-2014, 08:11 PM
Reimer is the suckiest suck whoever sucked. Stick a fork in him, he is done.

No mental toughness. Total implosion when the chips are down.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:11 PM
Well kids....this 5-3 is the most important PP of the season.

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 08:11 PM
Oh my god, we just have to score here. Just ****ing score.

Feyd
03-23-2014, 08:11 PM
No lower body strength. The kid needs to spend the summer in the gym if he's going to go to the next level consistently.
Eating cheetos and playing XBox with Wellwood.

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 08:12 PM
Oh JVR, that's brutal.

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 08:12 PM
UGH, just tentative play on the most important point of the season.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:13 PM
having two shooters on the blueline is so stupid on a 5 on 3, and has cost them dearly on this pp.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:13 PM
A bit too nonchalant for my liking there. No urgency.

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 08:13 PM
blew it

Feyd
03-23-2014, 08:14 PM
Best PK in the league

TimHorton
03-23-2014, 08:14 PM
That's a bad, bad penalty.

Corky27
03-23-2014, 08:14 PM
annnnnnnnd thats how you lose momentum!

CRL
03-23-2014, 08:15 PM
That's a bad, bad penalty.

bad 5 on 3 you meant?

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-23-2014, 08:16 PM
Team looks so disheartened.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:16 PM
having two shooters on the blueline is so stupid on a 5 on 3, and has cost them dearly on this pp.

I'm not quite sure why Gardiner wasn't instantly inserted on the #1 unit when it became clear that he was ****ing en fuego

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:17 PM
good thing mcyntire has been able to step in and give them vezina caliber goaltending!

CRL
03-23-2014, 08:17 PM
Team looks so disheartened.

doubleshifting coze we need Orr in our lineup?

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 08:17 PM
We seem to love going into the 3rd period down 2 goals.

blacksheep
03-23-2014, 08:18 PM
something tells me we win this....
A blown 5 - on - 3 with only one shot on net? Reimer certainly stunk it up, but he's getting the blame when the team in front of him is not getting it done tonight either.

MyNameIsJonas
03-23-2014, 08:18 PM
does it say Why Not? on the side of McIntyre's mask?

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:18 PM
I'm not quite sure why Gardiner wasn't instantly inserted on the #1 unit when it became clear that he was ****ing en fuego

franson hasn't had a point on the pp since february 1. 4 pp points (0 goals) in his past 30 games.

why is he on the top unit?

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:19 PM
A blown 5 - on - 3 with only one shot on net? Reimer certainly stunk it up, but he's getting the blame when the team in front of him is not getting it done tonight either.

he dug them into a 3-0 hole

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-23-2014, 08:20 PM
he dug them into a 3-0 hole

Again!

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:21 PM
In terms of value for the $, he's gotta be one of the worst ever to wear the blue & white.

Him, Finger, Komisarek.

Pretty compelling arguments can be made for all 3 imo.

MyNameIsJonas
03-23-2014, 08:21 PM
That 3rd goal was just ungodly bad too....and the other 2 were not pretty either.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:23 PM
franson hasn't had a point on the pp since february 1. 4 pp points (0 goals) in his past 30 games.

why is he on the top unit?

http://i.cbc.ca/1.2477386.1388175421!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/randy-carlyle.jpg


I remember people mocking me weeks ago when I bumped the fire Carlyle thread.

I'm going to say it again now. Time for Randy to go.

KingTucker
03-23-2014, 08:23 PM
does it say Why Not? on the side of McIntyre's mask?

Apparently he has care bears and so on on his mask, or at least one of them.

"The mask features cartoon characters from the Care Bears and My Little Pony as well as Roo from Winnie the Pooh.

And yes, MacIntyre took some good-natured ribbing from teammates when the characters first appeared four years ago. But the reason MacIntyre has departed from the norm in goalie-mask art — team logos, wild graphics and aggressive, tattoo-like images — began with his wife, Karen, and then the birth of his first daughter, Mullen, four years ago.

“I’ve done it for years. It started off with my wife, Karen. Her nickname became ‘Care Bear,’ so that’s how it started,” said MacIntyre, a pro since 2001 when he was selected in the fourth round, 121st overall, by Detroit out of the Sherbrooke Castors in the QMJHL.

“My first daughter came along and her name was Mullen, so there was a Care Bear for her. We had another girl last year — Sallie — so now there’s two little Care Bears holding a mother bear. The mask was changed again when my 4-year-old (Mullen) started liking My Little Pony. She picked out that character.”

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:24 PM
Him, Finger, Komisarek.

Pretty compelling arguments can be made for all 3 imo.

this is the worst contract out of all of them, by far.

the finger one is on a similar level, but they paid market rate for what they thought they were getting (a 2nd pair guy who matched against other team's top lines -- kinda like beauch, who got just under $4 the following year). and they only gave him 4 years. they also did it under a cba that permitted teams to bury their mistakes.

seven years for clarkson, and it wasn't market value (for instance, clowe, who has a better track record, signed for 2 fewer seasons at nearly a million less per season).

****ing insane.

and at least with komisarek he had a reptuation to go off of.

most leafs fans didn't know who david clarkson was until they put that stupid mustache on him and delcared him the net wendel.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:26 PM
liewke must want to hang himself watching leafstv game day coverage. this is like wayne's world public access quality stuff.

ForeverTML
03-23-2014, 08:26 PM
http://i.cbc.ca/1.2477386.1388175421!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/randy-carlyle.jpg


I remember people mocking me weeks ago when I bumped the fire Carlyle thread.

I'm going to say it again now. Time for Randy to go.

heh, sucks to get mocked when your point gets reinforced time after time....doesnt it?

"to tier nhl coach" is somewhere in that thread. The man behind one of the most unstructured defenses in the NHL.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:28 PM
how can not scoring on a 5 on 3 when you're down 3-1 be a 'turning point'?

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:31 PM
phaneuf averaged 250 shots a year over his first 4 seasons in the league. this year he's on pace for under 150. last year he was on pace for exactly 150.

this guy has to be shooting the puck. he has one of the most lethal point shots in the league.

could you guys imagine if trotz told weber to stop shooting the puck?

it's ****ing asinine.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:32 PM
http://media.canada.com/35e2c96f-34dc-4e83-92e9-d555bb9ee29c/mitchell375.jpg

c'mon dion

LESS SHATS

MyNameIsJonas
03-23-2014, 08:33 PM
I think David Clarkson is skating at full speed in this give a kid diabetes commercial.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:33 PM
david clarkson gave a kid diabetes?

MyNameIsJonas
03-23-2014, 08:34 PM
david clarkson gave a kid diabetes?

That's what i took from the ad yes

CRL
03-23-2014, 08:35 PM
I think David Clarkson is skating at full speed in this give a kid diabetes commercial.

I say he more like showing league he belong in AAA

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:35 PM
hopefully he gives some of that $5.75 million to cover the cost of the poor kid's insulin.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:35 PM
heh, sucks to get mocked when your point gets reinforced time after time....doesnt it?

"to tier nhl coach" is somewhere in that thread. The man behind one of the most unstructured defenses in the NHL.

I guess the thing that really chokes me is that when you look at the possession stats, there are 3 teams that stand alone. Toronto, Edmonton, Buffalo

Both of the other GM's would sell their first born to run the personnel we run out there every night. Those are teams with vastly inferior talent on a man to man basis. Yet there we are, in the ****ing basement with them.

Now, those problems still don't change the fact that we'd be gliding into the playoffs with legitimate goaltending over the last 5 games, but if we weren't such a possession shit show (which I think is partially personnel based...but only partially, most of these guys had much better Corsi% under Wilson or on their previous teams), we would have been an 85-90 point team at the time of Bernier's injury instead of an 80 point team.

We've all seen the flaws in this club all season, but we had the skill to overcome the flaws. Those flaws have never been improved, never been corrected. That's on the coach.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:36 PM
phaneuf averaged 250 shots a year over his first 4 seasons in the league. this year he's on pace for under 150. last year he was on pace for exactly 150.

this guy has to be shooting the puck. he has one of the most lethal point shots in the league.

could you guys imagine if trotz told weber to stop shooting the puck?

it's ****ing asinine.

We've been talking about Phaneuf switching sides with Franson on the PP all year.

Feyd
03-23-2014, 08:37 PM
liewke must want to hang himself watching leafstv game day coverage. this is like wayne's world public access quality stuff.
Party on.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:38 PM
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Lg8ByjjX0Xo/maxresdefault.jpg

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:39 PM
so getting a clarkson jersey

mbow30
03-23-2014, 08:42 PM
watching this 30 year old ahl'er play really makes you realize how bad reimer's rebound control is. even if it doesn't matter that much...

KingTucker
03-23-2014, 08:42 PM
HasekIntyre >>>

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:43 PM
J.S Aubintyre

Blueman
03-23-2014, 08:47 PM
Clarkson > Reimer

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:49 PM
Can Kessel **** off with these flip passes through the neutral zone? Move your feet man.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 08:56 PM
Btw...sign Jagr in the off season Nonis. He'll want 1 yr...****ing perfect. He controls the game with his body and vision. Would be a ****ing invaluable addition to our leadership group.

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 09:00 PM
massive offseason changes are required, whether or not they happen is a different matter.

Phaneuf, the Kessel line and Bernier have been good this year. Anything else about the team could change as far as I'm concerned.

LeafGm
03-23-2014, 09:02 PM
Btw...sign Jagr in the off season Nonis. He'll want 1 yr...****ing perfect. He controls the game with his body and vision. Would be a ****ing invaluable addition to our leadership group.
He would be the perfect fit on the right side with Lupul and Kadri.

And honestly, with how easily this team gets rattled, having some more veteran players on the team could help.

Killer93
03-23-2014, 09:03 PM
This team will miss the playoffs

Volcanologist
03-23-2014, 09:06 PM
who woulda thunk it would be the goaltending. I'm not even being sarcastic there.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 09:08 PM
Phil!!!

....and he's dead.

****

trujaysfan
03-23-2014, 09:08 PM
oh god kessel is dead

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 09:09 PM
If Randy has his time out...and doesn't call it now. He's a moron.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 09:09 PM
Thank you Randy. You should still lose your job soon, but at least you did the right thing here.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 09:11 PM
franson shouldn't have been on the ice.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 09:12 PM
Need to go 6-3, minimum now.

#DOA

Killer93
03-23-2014, 09:14 PM
And we have St Louis on Tues LOL

Corky27
03-23-2014, 09:15 PM
Wings now down 3-2

Matrim
03-23-2014, 09:16 PM
This collapse is even more shocking than last years game 7. And it's all on Reimer, all of it.

Leafyblue
03-23-2014, 09:17 PM
Btw...sign Jagr in the off season Nonis. He'll want 1 yr...****ing perfect.

Why would he want to play with Clarkson? ;)

BeLeafer
03-23-2014, 09:22 PM
who woulda thunk it would be the goaltending. I'm not even being sarcastic there.

*ahem*

Killer93
03-23-2014, 09:23 PM
@Hope_Smoke: David Clarkson has 2 points in his last 24 games after tonight.

CRL
03-23-2014, 09:24 PM
@Hope_Smoke: David Clarkson has 2 points in his last 24 games after tonight.

That would work for Nonis

Preston_Mizzi
03-23-2014, 09:25 PM
Btw...sign Jagr in the off season Nonis. He'll want 1 yr...****ing perfect. He controls the game with his body and vision. Would be a ****ing invaluable addition to our leadership group.
Nonis? I'm hoping he's gone by the offseason. He deserves to never work in the NHL again for the Clarkson contract alone.

It's funny how much better Clowe is than Clarkson. The Devils knew exactly what they were doing when they signed him as the replacement. Better player with less term and less money. And hell, he's still overpaid and not that great of a player.

hockeylover
03-23-2014, 09:25 PM
Detroit ties it. Of course they do.

Sigh.

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 09:26 PM
Why would he want to play with Clarkson? ;)

Simple. We kill the Clarkson

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCK1b_lVuNYJ07QSQE7qzzxt3hII7Me sA142HvM8ec4wBm0zbq

MindzEye
03-23-2014, 09:27 PM
Nonis? I'm hoping he's gone by the offseason. He deserves to never work in the NHL again for the Clarkson contract alone.

It's funny how much better Clowe is than Clarkson. The Devils knew exactly what they were doing when they signed him as the replacement. Better player with less term and less money. And hell, he's still overpaid and not that great of a player.

It's frightening how monumentally stupid that contract was.

Leafyblue
03-23-2014, 09:27 PM
I don' t remember seeing Phil this pissed off...ever. Hope he doesn't ask for a trade to Minnesota.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 09:29 PM
*ahem*

that was just excuse making. reimer's play down the stretch is making the team look pretty wise for bringing in bernier.

leafman101
03-23-2014, 09:34 PM
Don't worry Drew S Aubin will save the season.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 09:35 PM
reimer's just totally broken.

poor, fragile james.

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 09:42 PM
Nonis? I'm hoping he's gone by the offseason. He deserves to never work in the NHL again for the Clarkson contract alone.

It's funny how much better Clowe is than Clarkson. The Devils knew exactly what they were doing when they signed him as the replacement. Better player with less term and less money. And hell, he's still overpaid and not that great of a player.

I get your furious with Nonis for the Clarkson signing, so am I for that matter and he deserves 100% of the blame. However, to say he shouldnt be able to work in the NHL again is over the top, every GM makes big mistakes, and despite the Clarkson signing Nonis has done a lot of good moves here since becoming the GM for the Leafs.

I think Nonis deserves a chance this offseason to fix his mistakes (ie firing Carlyle and buying out Clarkson) and if he can't/won't do either of those then yes MLSE has to strongly consider firing him.

Preston_Mizzi
03-23-2014, 09:47 PM
I get your furious with Nonis for the Clarkson signing, so am I for that matter and he deserves 100% of the blame. However, to say he shouldnt be able to work in the NHL again is over the top, every GM makes big mistakes, and despite the Clarkson signing Nonis has done a lot of good moves here since becoming the GM for the Leafs.

I think Nonis deserves a chance this offseason to fix his mistakes (ie firing Carlyle and buying out Clarkson) and if he can't/won't do either of those then yes MLSE has to strongly consider firing him.
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1Tk8PjPRHPvEAWbvKGj3zysgPm79gw SR8eGM9TTQ1zkcLsrWtBQ

CRL
03-23-2014, 09:49 PM
Question is how many games Kessel will miss after tonite

Pronger84
03-23-2014, 09:53 PM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1Tk8PjPRHPvEAWbvKGj3zysgPm79gw SR8eGM9TTQ1zkcLsrWtBQ

Oh your so mature..... I reply with a logical response and all you can say is "potato", time to grow up.

mbow30
03-23-2014, 09:53 PM
Question is how many games Kessel will miss after tonite

he got back on the ice.

Preston_Mizzi
03-23-2014, 10:02 PM
It's really hard to ignore Pronger's disease or whatever he has. Mental retardation? Whatever it is.. damn he can be annoying.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
03-23-2014, 10:04 PM
It's really hard to ignore Pronger's disease or whatever he has. Mental retardation? Whatever it is.. damn he can be annoying.

His Dad used to rest his beer can on the soft spot on his head when he was a baby. Poor lad never had a chance.