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trujaysfan
04-03-2014, 03:23 PM
**** you Chara, **** you Rask, **** you Chiarelli


THANK YOU KESSEL

Let's get this season going on the right track after the wayward part we were on

Wayward DP
04-03-2014, 03:30 PM
If it wasn't before, season's on the line tonight. Need two points to have any shot at the playoffs.

Would be nice to see Phil and Dion show up. Might get to see Chad Johnson too, Rask played last night in Detroit. Iginla's a little banged up and may be out again as well.

Bruins are red red hot, but who the hell knows with our team though?

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 03:32 PM
This one should be the final nail in the coffin.

ForeverTML
04-03-2014, 03:35 PM
In typical leafs fashion, I wouldnt be surprised if we let the same team crush us twice in two years.

But the chances are too low anyway at this point, so meh.

zeke
04-03-2014, 03:53 PM
Let's see if this team has any balls at all.

BG
04-03-2014, 04:48 PM
Stupid Bruins did us no favours giving up two points to the Wings last night. Gotta stomp these Bruins.

Wayward DP
04-03-2014, 04:53 PM
Let's see if this team has any ball at all.

FYP

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 05:02 PM
Let's see if this team has any balls at all.

Yup, they need to lay it all on the line tonight. Should be a telling game.

CRL
04-03-2014, 05:38 PM
this shit season will end tonite, team has given up

Pronger84
04-03-2014, 06:28 PM
People on here thinking the Leafs are making the playoffs need to come down from the clouds, this season is done! Would it shock me if the Leafs won tonight? Nope it wouldn't because this team does everything backasswards and plays well when it's all but over, so yea I'm thinking they do win tonight against the Bruins, if they do big deal it's a moot point.

Leafyblue
04-03-2014, 06:40 PM
People on here thinking the Leafs are making the playoffs need to come down from the clouds

Why? They're only ONE point back of the final wild card spot. Leafs win a few and Columbus shites the bed and it's playoff time baby!! :)

Pronger84
04-03-2014, 06:48 PM
Why? They're only ONE point back of the final wild card spot. Leafs win a few and Columbus shites the bed and it's playoff time baby!! :)

Columbus also has two games in hand and has the tie breaker with 33 ROW to our 28. Lets put it this way for the Leafs to make the playoffs they're gonna have to win their remaining 5 and hope Columbus goes sub .500 in their remaining 7, us winning 5 in a row the chances aren't great and columbus has a much better shot of going sub .500 down the stretch.

Even IF the playoffs happen, it's IMO a bad outcome because really we likely get bounced by Boston or Pittsburgh and management in the offseason thinks this team is good enough to not make substantial changes.

I'd rather we fall flat.

Leafyblue
04-03-2014, 06:56 PM
Lets put it this way for the Leafs to make the playoffs they're gonna have to win their remaining 5 and hope Columbus goes sub .500 in their remaining 7

We just need to believe!

http://sheroes.in/img/uploads/article/high_res/believe_nischala.jpg

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 07:08 PM
D'Amigo-Kadri-Bodie....

No Lupul...something tells me they pull it out.

Pronger84
04-03-2014, 07:13 PM
D'Amigo-Kadri-Bodie....

No Lupul...something tells me they pull it out.

Is Lupul injured? hmmmm.... I think this could be a sick line all 3 can play like piss ants out there, this could be a tough line to handle for opposing clubs going forward.

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 07:14 PM
Lupul has an injury.

TheCountofMonteCristo
04-03-2014, 07:20 PM
Lupul has an injury.

vaginal yeast infection?

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 07:21 PM
don't tell the female fans.

zeke
04-03-2014, 07:29 PM
Lupul = no balls

CRL
04-03-2014, 07:43 PM
good start for a quick lose/death

Jeremy
04-03-2014, 07:47 PM
Leafs 1 B!tches 0

Feyd
04-03-2014, 07:48 PM
Nice work Franson!

CRL
04-03-2014, 07:49 PM
what would be we do without Cody Franson

mbow30
04-03-2014, 07:51 PM
franson... wow.

Bleedsblue&white
04-03-2014, 07:51 PM
Its hard to comprehend how he can continually **** us over. If he has no capacity to learn, any strengths he has are rendered useless.

leafman101
04-03-2014, 07:52 PM
Can't wait for Franson to be gone.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 07:53 PM
Its hard to comprehend how he can continually **** us over. If he has no capacity to learn, any strengths he has are rendered useless.

i still don't know what strengths he has. he has a few above average skills (decent offensive skills and he's pretty physical on the perimeter). but, really, he's barely above average there. he throws his weight around and he can top 30 poitns but that's nothing to write home about.

and certainly not good enough to put up with how ridiculously bad hte rest of his game is.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 07:56 PM
jvr doesn't look too interested in skating today.

CRL
04-03-2014, 08:06 PM
problem with our 1-st is Toolzak who's playing like shit + not skating

Jeremy
04-03-2014, 08:14 PM
Bozie ... there is hope

Feyd
04-03-2014, 08:15 PM
jvr doesn't look too interested in skating today.
Injured

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 08:32 PM
Franson has to be dumped in the off season. No ifs ands or buts. Doesn't matter what we get either. He is a disaster.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 08:33 PM
Would also like to know what happened to Dion's brain? He continues to be dreadful.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 08:33 PM
wow... i missed that krejci chance. just saw the replay.

franson really does suck. that play right there happens ALL THE TIME with him.

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 08:33 PM
Jonas Siegel
Clarkson has not returned for the second period. No update yet on his status.

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 08:34 PM
Would also like to know what happened to Dion's brain? He continues to be dreadful.

He's dealing with an injury, which probably causes him to overcompensate...dude looks exhausted at times.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 08:34 PM
dougie just fransoned.

or was franson doing the dougie?

Jeremy
04-03-2014, 08:35 PM
JVR puts us up by 2 ... there is more hope

Feyd
04-03-2014, 08:35 PM
Dougie Hamilton's got egg on his face

Volcanologist
04-03-2014, 08:35 PM
Great pass by Norris Hamilton.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 08:35 PM
JVR!!

Feyd
04-03-2014, 08:36 PM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 17s
First 30-goal season in the career of James van Riemsdyk.

Bleedsblue&white
04-03-2014, 08:36 PM
Not the last.

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 08:40 PM
Leafs fast at work to relinquish the lead.

CRL
04-03-2014, 08:40 PM
seems Ranger is under the skin of Goblinic

Volcanologist
04-03-2014, 08:50 PM
How many brutal line changes have we had this year?

jesus.

Feyd
04-03-2014, 08:57 PM
Maybe Lucic knocked some sense into Clarkson there.

Probably not, though.

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 08:57 PM
Best thing Clarkson does is take himself off the ice for 5 minutes.

Volcanologist
04-03-2014, 08:58 PM
what a loser. yaps and starts a scrap, and Lucic dummies him.

ForeverTML
04-03-2014, 08:58 PM
hehe Luciced

Killer93
04-03-2014, 09:03 PM
Columbus up 2-0 in their game; too little too late

CRL
04-03-2014, 09:09 PM
Columbus up 2-0 in their game; too little too late

not little but 5-6 games too late

Hoss
04-03-2014, 09:13 PM
Next years team needs a line of youngsters. Damigo bodie Ashton or leivo. Etc. gotta give the hungry guys some time. So much more energy

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:32 PM
David Alter ‏@DavidAlter590 1m
Troy Bodie's career ice-time came back on Feb 1st/2010 , he had 16:57 then, he has 14:48 thru 2 periods tonight.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:38 PM
Here we go.

3-2 Leafs in the 3rd. Wouldn't this be ironic if the Leafs have another collapse to the Bruins and it officially ends their season.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 09:39 PM
franson manages to set a screen AND leave a player that probably has many career goals as the entire leafs team combined wide open in front.

please get rid of this guy.

Feyd
04-03-2014, 09:39 PM
What a depressing team to watch. Is it Carlyle that tells them to go into a complete defensive shell? One would assume so...

mbow30
04-03-2014, 09:40 PM
so kessel has the puck, facing his own net, 5 feet inside of his own blueline, and jvr and bozak are both at or beyond centre ice.

#dumbplayers

mbow30
04-03-2014, 09:41 PM
phaneuf pinches on a bouncing puck resulting in a 2 on 1 coming back the other way.

#dumbplayers

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:41 PM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 1m
Nazem Kadri has effectively been dropped to the fourth line tonight. Ice-time of 7:43 through two periods, second fewest among forwards.

Feyd
04-03-2014, 09:42 PM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 1m
Nazem Kadri has effectively been dropped to the fourth line tonight. Ice-time of 7:43 through two periods, second fewest among forwards.
Deservedly so. Lazy f***.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:44 PM
Bernier is hurt. ****!!!!!!!!

mbow30
04-03-2014, 09:45 PM
weak call.

Feyd
04-03-2014, 09:45 PM
Bring in Reimer and cement the W for Boston.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:46 PM
Great, here comes Reimer. ****!

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:46 PM
It is over.

Hoss
04-03-2014, 09:47 PM
Wowsers. Talk about a wicked turn of events. Can't script it any better

Hoss
04-03-2014, 09:48 PM
From that first save there u see that Reiner has ****ing learned to try and look over screens as opposed to that crouched over as small as can be pose he used to do

Killer93
04-03-2014, 09:48 PM
Bernier is done for sure

Hoss
04-03-2014, 09:50 PM
Notice they rarely just sayHamilton. But rather every time say Dougie Hamilton. That's effing annoying

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:50 PM
I hope its not Bernie's knee.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 09:55 PM
3-3

Feyd
04-03-2014, 09:55 PM
About to turn this one off.

axlsalinger
04-03-2014, 09:56 PM
Reimer to the rescue.

For Boston.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 09:56 PM
that was bolland's man.

Jeremy
04-03-2014, 09:56 PM
Aw crish ... tie game

Killer93
04-03-2014, 09:57 PM
Hahahaha

leafman101
04-03-2014, 09:57 PM
Ranger hadn't done enough to hurt this team this year. ****er.

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 09:58 PM
Reimer to the rescue.

For Boston.

Too funny. Bernie lets in two softer goals ... Franson this, franson that.

Reimer has Gunnar aiding the screen doing nothing about the man in front ... Reimer you sieve.

Pathetic.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 09:59 PM
might have hurt them next year.

if bernier tore a ligament and is off for 6 months, what the hell are they going to do with reimer? woudl he even re-sign here?

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:00 PM
Too funny. Bernie lets in two softer goals ... Franson this, franson that.

Reimer has Gunnar aiding the screen doing nothing about the man in front ... Reimer you sieve.

Pathetic.

what's pathetic is your complete inability to be at all objective when it comes to this team's goaltending. it's ridiculous.

axlsalinger
04-03-2014, 10:02 PM
It doesn't make any sense. I'll buy the theory that Reimer was not treated very well by Carlyle, and may very well rebound next year with another team. I certainly don't hate the kid at all. But what is 100% true and obvious is that Bernier has been this team's MVP, and Reimer has sucked shit, especially over the past month or two when we really needed him.

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 10:03 PM
what's pathetic is your complete inability to be at all objective when it comes to this team's goaltending. it's ridiculous.

I've said utterly nothing about which goaltender is better. Your imagination runs deep.

I merely commented on the ridiculous bias of treatment of the two here. It's entirely accurate.

Volcanologist
04-03-2014, 10:03 PM
ridiculous bias like every single goal that beats Bernier being called "soft"?

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:04 PM
seriously never seen a fan get as gay for a player as you've gotten for reimer.

it's bizarre

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 10:06 PM
seriously never seen a fan get as gay for a player as you've gotten for reimer.

it's bizarre

Zeke - JPA, Il Mago

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 10:07 PM
Reimer has two guys in the crease. It's his fault.

Bernier has no one in the crease. Someone else's fault.

Yeah, I'm gay for Reimer.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 10:07 PM
Reimer has two guys in the crease. It's his fault.

Bernier has no one in the crease. Someone else's fault.

Yeah, I'm gay for Reimer.

:drink

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:08 PM
100% gay for reimer.

GGFR

getting gay for reimer

WITBFR

wanting it in the butt from reimer

however you want to say it.

gay for reimer.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:09 PM
really?

Feyd
04-03-2014, 10:09 PM
What a ****ing cheap call. Wow.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 10:09 PM
oh **** off, that wasn't a penalty. give me a break.

Volcanologist
04-03-2014, 10:11 PM
Kulemin half-assedly shoves a guy, and it's "holding".

what a ****ing joke.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 10:12 PM
JVR almost with the shortie.

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 10:17 PM
If by gay, you mean I was entirely right about what would happen with Reimer and you were entirely wrong when you insisted it would not be an issue, then sure ... I'm raving gay for Reimer.

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:17 PM
i agree that's a bit of a chintzy call but krug actually grabbed bozak... and that's just like the kulemin call?

**** you fagraro

Hoss
04-03-2014, 10:18 PM
Bozak has been damn impressive. But if we could trade kadri plus for a big number one centre a la staal. I think bozak would be awesome as our second line centre

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:18 PM
If by gay, you mean I was entirely right about what would happen with Reimer and you were entirely wrong when you insisted it would not be an issue, then sure ... I'm raving gay for Reimer.

so you think that james reimer is a mentally soft goalie, who can't handle any adversity at all... but that he should be the starting goaltender of the maple leafs.

keep patting yourself on the back.

SFGFR

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:19 PM
for the love of god somebody needs to tell JVR that move is not ok to keep doing.



he had bozak wide open coming to the net. if he soft touches that to him bozak's wide open in the slot

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:19 PM
NAZ

Jeremy
04-03-2014, 10:19 PM
Nazzzzzzz

axlsalinger
04-03-2014, 10:20 PM
Ha, Kadri redeems himself! Great win.

Feyd
04-03-2014, 10:20 PM
Kadri woke up, finally.

Bleedsblue&white
04-03-2014, 10:21 PM
Lol, out of the doghouse and into our hearts.

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 10:21 PM
so you think that james reimer is a mentally soft goalie, who can't handle any adversity at all... but that he should be the starting goaltender of the maple leafs.

keep patting yourself on the back.

SFGFR

As I said at the time, he's a young goalie and it would kill his confidence. Read whatever stupid conclusions you like from it.

Volcanologist
04-03-2014, 10:22 PM
great timing for The Assassin. sweet hands.

I'm not sure how I should feel at this point lol...we aren't going to make it, but big win nonetheless.

axlsalinger
04-03-2014, 10:22 PM
Seems like Carlyle thought it was essential to toughen up a mentally soft goalie. Questionable decision at the time, proven to be correct based on how he responded to the adversity.

Leafyblue
04-03-2014, 10:22 PM
http://sheroes.in/img/uploads/article/high_res/believe_nischala.jpg

mbow30
04-03-2014, 10:22 PM
that's your conclusion.

you're the one calling him mentally soft. not me.

BeLeafer
04-03-2014, 10:23 PM
that's your conclusion.

you're the one calling him mentally soft. not me.

No, I do not think weak confidence = mentally soft. That is a stupid viewpoint and it's all yours.

blacksheep
04-03-2014, 10:24 PM
So the Leafs won in OT with Reimer in net. Oughta send this board into a frenzy of epidemic proportions...
Please, just fire Carlyle in the off season, regardless of how they play these last few games. Please...

leafman101
04-03-2014, 10:24 PM
Isn't that exactly what mentally soft is.

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 10:25 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-03-2014, 10:26 PM
phew!

blacksheep
04-03-2014, 10:34 PM
Don't start playing now. We need a top draft pick.

Hoss
04-03-2014, 10:38 PM
This could end up like the year we needed the flipping Devils to beat the Islanders.... and they tie it up only to have Dubnyk steal it in the shootout...

That was painful.

LeafGm
04-03-2014, 10:39 PM
This could end up like the year we needed the flipping Devils to beat the Islanders.... and they tie it up only to have Dubnyk steal it in the shootout...

That was painful.
It wasn't Dubnyk, it was Wade "Dubie" Dubielewicz

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 10:41 PM
This could end up like the year we needed the flipping Devils to beat the Islanders.... and they tie it up only to have Dubnyk steal it in the shootout...

That was painful.

Wade Dubielewicz

Hoss
04-03-2014, 10:41 PM
Whatever, stat nerds....

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 10:43 PM
Get the names right, Don Cherry.

Pronger84
04-03-2014, 10:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_izvAbhExY

Hold up a sec here, wasn't it you who earlier today said the season is over? So now after a win we have hope.... which is it? While the Leafs played solid tonight where was this effort/talent 1-2 weeks ago? I'm not shocked at all the Leafs would win, actually I called it earlier today.... this is what they do which is everything backasswards.

Pronger84
04-03-2014, 10:45 PM
Ha, Kadri redeems himself! Great win.

Too little too late if you ask me.

LeafGm
04-03-2014, 10:49 PM
In fairness, the only thing I remembered was that a goalie named "Dubie" knocked us out. Had to google what his actual name was.

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 10:50 PM
Hold up a sec here, wasn't it you who earlier today said the season is over? So now after a win we have hope.... which is it? While the Leafs played solid tonight where was this effort/talent 1-2 weeks ago? I'm not shocked at all the Leafs would win, actually I called it earlier today.... this is what they do which is everything backasswards.

lel what?? I never said that. And also I said I believed they would win tonight.

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 10:50 PM
In fairness, the only thing I remembered was that a goalie named "Dubie" knocked us out. Had to google what his actual name was.

I remembered but couldn't remember how to spell his name.

Volcanologist
04-03-2014, 10:55 PM
one of those Polish monstrosity names with consonants next to z and stuff like that.

Pronger84
04-03-2014, 10:57 PM
lel what?? I never said that. And also I said I believed they would win tonight.

"Leafs aren't getting in, so let's just put an end to that fantasy, they screwed the pooch themselves" which you posted in the out of town scoreboard thread yesterday at 10:25 pm. That was your quote and yes it's them same thing as saying the season is over, for people to view it's over it means there isn't a chance to get in, proof is in the pudding in your own quote. Sorry it took me a bit to reply had to sift through the threads to find your quote from earlier.

Metalleaf
04-03-2014, 10:58 PM
I don't think they'll make it, doesn't mean I can't cheer for wins. Go police someone else's posts.

Pronger84
04-03-2014, 11:03 PM
I don't think they'll make it, doesn't mean I can't cheer for wins. Go police someone else's posts.

You feeling they won't make it is essentially you saying you feel the season is over, same thing but different wording. Nobody (least of all me) is telling you that you can't cheer for wins, that's your own personal preference, and yea I was actually rooting for them to win tonight as well, not so that they can make the playoffs but because I can't stand the bruins.

hockeylover
04-03-2014, 11:38 PM
LOL.

zeke
04-04-2014, 01:54 AM
Beleafer is 100% right about the goalies.

Bernier has been ass since returnin (.897), with tons of softies.

But not a word of criticism.

While reimer gets jumped on for everything.

JackBurton
04-04-2014, 01:55 AM
Bernier should not have come back that fast from his injury.

Feyd
04-04-2014, 07:43 AM
I think it's pretty obvious to everyone that Bernier was rushed back because Reims was shitting the bed.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 07:44 AM
Beleafer is 100% right about the goalies.

Bernier has been ass since returnin (.897), with tons of softies.

But not a word of criticism.

While reimer gets jumped on for everything.

and yet his save percentage has been 917 o rhigher in 3 of those 5 games.

he gave up a few shit goals and people said they were shit goals.

reimer got jumped on because he was awful in basically every game bernier was out for.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 07:47 AM
i can't believe people would get so attached to a player.

the two people who have spent more time than just about anybody else trumpeting save percentage over the past 10 years making every excuse in the world for the guy with the 908 save percentage, while finding every reaosn and taking every opportunity to criticize the guy with the 923 save percentage....

BeLeafer
04-04-2014, 07:58 AM
i can't believe people would get so attached to a player.

the two people who have spent more time than just about anybody else trumpeting save percentage over the past 10 years making every excuse in the world for the guy with the 908 save percentage, while finding every reaosn and taking every opportunity to criticize the guy with the 923 save percentage....

Fiction.

leafman101
04-04-2014, 08:01 AM
Kessel was playing pretty poorly lately and no one was all over him.

Guys who perform earn the benefit of the doubt. Its not like people were all over Reimer last year for every shit goal he gave up. Its not a Reimer thing, its a playing like crap thing. Every goalie gives up bad goals, the problem is the regularity of them.

He's had a bad year, and people have criticized him deservedly so.

leafman101
04-04-2014, 08:06 AM
I mean that was only the 2nd time the Leafs won with Reimer in net in 11 games since January.

In his last 11 games he played the Leafs have only got 4 points. Decent play from him down the stretch and its a different story in the standings right now.

zeke
04-04-2014, 08:11 AM
In this game, bernier let in a stinker, nobody said anything.

Reimer was insulted a number of times as he entered the game, and then blamed reimer for a goal tougyer than either bernier goal.

Beleafer correctly pointed out the silly double standard, and you guys cried.

CRL
04-04-2014, 08:11 AM
I mean that was only the 2nd time the Leafs won with Reimer in net in 11 games since January.

In his last 11 games he played the Leafs have only got 4 points. Decent play from him down the stretch and its a different story in the standings right now.

coze he wasnt in 1-st period when majority of his softies coming in.
we need to play backup 1-st period and let Reims to play rest of the game

leafman101
04-04-2014, 08:32 AM
Bernier has given up some terrible goals this year, Toskala-esq. But when you play as good as he has people look past it because he has earned it.

When you play like shit no one looks past it.

It may be a double standard, but it is one purely earned by the players performance and completely justified.

Its pretty natural for players of a different calibre of performance to be treated by a different standard.

rated
04-04-2014, 09:38 AM
In this game, bernier let in a stinker, nobody said anything.

Reimer was insulted a number of times as he entered the game, and then blamed reimer for a goal tougyer than either bernier goal.

Beleafer correctly pointed out the silly double standard, and you guys cried.

I'm more interested in hearing about the double standard you, beleafer and the other Reimer fan boys have created for your favourite wittle goalie.

All year long this board has put up with your Reimer double standard.

PKForce81
04-04-2014, 09:45 AM
Bernier has given up some terrible goals this year, Toskala-esq. But when you play as good as he has people look past it because he has earned it.

When you play like shit no one looks past it.

It may be a double standard, but it is one purely earned by the players performance and completely justified.

Its pretty natural for players of a different calibre of performance to be treated by a different standard.


Pretty much.

Phil has been very frustrating lately as well(floating way too much and being weak defensively) but how can you blame a guy when he's been our leader this entire season?

I don't know what's going on with Dion but he's gone full retard way too often in the past 8-10 games. If he's injured just let someone else step in...Playing like a 3rd pairing guy won't do much for us.

Gunnar on the other hand has been amazing..Only a few games this season where i didn't like his play...Very underrated imo.

Pronger84
04-04-2014, 10:07 AM
Bernier IMO has been a mix or brillance and ugly this year, he makes big saves that keep this team in it but he also gives up a lot of weak goals as well, overall I'd say the guy has been solid for us.

Reimer completley shat the bed for us with Bernier's first injury, but I have to give him props though last game... he comes in ice cold against a very tough Bruins team and he made the saves, he didn't make any flashy ones but he saw the puck and he didn't give up many 2nd chances. The goal he did give up he can't be faulted for, he was screened on the play by 3-4 players not much he could do about it. I also thought it was classy of the fans to cheer him on when he came in, they easily could have kicked him when he was down but instead decided to applaude him, it was a nice gesture by the people at the game last night.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 10:13 AM
In this game, bernier let in a stinker, nobody said anything.

Reimer was insulted a number of times as he entered the game, and then blamed reimer for a goal tougyer than either bernier goal.

Beleafer correctly pointed out the silly double standard, and you guys cried.

nonsense.

not a single goal against last night was a stinker.

and of course people were concerned when reimer came into the game. he has been awful since December this year.

two people have exhibited a double standard with regards to the leafs goaltending this season. i'll leave it to you to guess who.

LeafGm
04-04-2014, 10:16 AM
It's pretty obvious that the Leafs rushed Bernier back before he was entirely recovered from his injury.

And the reason for that, of course, is that James Reimer couldn't win them a ****ing game to save his life.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 10:28 AM
Bernier has given up some terrible goals this year, Toskala-esq. But when you play as good as he has people look past it because he has earned it.

When you play like shit no one looks past it.

It may be a double standard, but it is one purely earned by the players performance and completely justified.

Its pretty natural for players of a different calibre of performance to be treated by a different standard.

it isn't a double standard.

people have crapped on bernier for those 3-4 lol goals he gave up this year. but 3-4 bad goals is a lot different than the sub 900 goaltending they've gotten out of reimer since November.

Volcanologist
04-04-2014, 10:34 AM
Try to imagine how Zeke and BeLeafer would be reacting if the two goalies' performances were reversed and somebody was trying to tell them it's because Bernier's confidence was shot etc etc.

they'd be laughing their asses off at such lame excuses.

BeLeafer
04-04-2014, 10:53 AM
Try to imagine how Zeke and BeLeafer would be reacting if the two goalies' performances were reversed and somebody was trying to tell them it's because Bernier's confidence was shot etc etc.

they'd be laughing their asses off at such lame excuses.

You dumbasses think I brought up this confidence issue to excuse his play. That is utterly false. I brought it up to point out the impact of Nonis' trade, which all you Bernie lovers went apeshit over.

leafman101
04-04-2014, 10:55 AM
Either way its a negative on Reimer.

Thats the part that doesn't make sense at all. Stupid Leafs for acquiring one of the best young goalies in the league instead of coddling their mentally weak back up that loses his confidence so easily that he can't have any competition for playing time.

corksens
04-04-2014, 10:57 AM
Any word on Bernier? Didn't look good to me.

Good thing you guys got that OT PP. White knuckle territory for most of the 3rd before that.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 10:58 AM
You dumbasses think I brought up this confidence issue to excuse his play. That is utterly false. I brought it up to point out the impact of Nonis' trade, which all you Bernie lovers went apeshit over.

so you think reimer's a 905-910 save percentage goalie?

Artnes
04-04-2014, 11:21 AM
nonsense.

not a single goal against last night was a stinker.

and of course people were concerned when reimer came into the game. he has been awful since December this year.

two people have exhibited a double standard with regards to the leafs goaltending this season. i'll leave it to you to guess who.

I presume the Marchand shot was the "stinker" He went down a little early but that was still a nice snipe. Hard to call it a stinker

mbow30
04-04-2014, 11:23 AM
I presume the Marchand shot was the "stinker" He went down a little early but that was still a nice snipe. Hard to call it a stinker

it was a nice snipe, and a bang bang play after marchand was gift wrapped the puck right in the middle of the ice, at the blueline, with speed and a free path into the slot.

BeLeafer
04-04-2014, 11:24 AM
Either way its a negative on Reimer.

You can take it that way, but in my view, it's pretty much how any young goalie would respond in that circumstance. In fact, I was surprised the Reimer played as well as he did to start the year ... more fortitude that I expected from a young goalie in that situation. It wasn't until he lost the starting job that his performance really tanked.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 11:26 AM
so then it's an excuse.

BeLeafer
04-04-2014, 11:26 AM
so you think reimer's a 905-910 save percentage goalie?

holy non sequiturs.

BeLeafer
04-04-2014, 11:27 AM
so then it's an excuse.

No, it's an explanation. I'm not justifying his weak play, simply explaining it.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 11:28 AM
when you are discussing a goalie's performance, a comment about a statistical method of judging goalie performance is not a non sequitur.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 11:29 AM
No, it's an explanation. I'm not justifying his weak play, simply explaining it.

but you are justifying it, by saying that it is expected because his feelings are hurt. you are making an excuse to justify his performance. that is exactly what you are doing.

leafman101
04-04-2014, 11:29 AM
No professional athlete should respond by folding like a cheap tent when competition is brought in.

Sports is all about competition. You simply don't give Reimer enough credit. Which is the ironic part.

LeafGm
04-04-2014, 11:31 AM
No, it's an explanation. I'm not justifying his weak play, simply explaining it.
So, to be clear---do you think Reimer deserves any blame for his abysmal play in 2014? Or is it all on Nonis and Carlyle?

BeLeafer
04-04-2014, 11:31 AM
when you are discussing a goalie's performance, a comment about a statistical method of judging goalie performance is not a non sequitur.

Inferring that it speaks to the quality of goalie, as you suggested, certainly is.

BeLeafer
04-04-2014, 11:32 AM
So, to be clear---do you think Reimer deserves any blame for his abysmal play in 2014? Or is it all on Nonis and Carlyle?

I think it's how any young goalie in his situation would have responded to the circumstances. So, no, I do not think it reflects too poorly on Reimer. His play has been shitty, but that's not excusing it. It's just trying to understand why it is so.

Artnes
04-04-2014, 11:33 AM
Has this situation happened anywhere else? it would be interesting to see the effect on the overall numbers of the former starter to backup.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 11:33 AM
so let me get this straight: you're saying that saying save percentage provides insight into the quality of a goaltender is a non sequitur?

no it isn't.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 11:36 AM
tukka rask wasn't ruined by competing with tim Thomas, and at one point losing the starting job to him.

price competed with huet and halak

worm
04-04-2014, 11:42 AM
tukka rask wasn't ruined by competing with tim Thomas, and at one point losing the starting job to him.

price competed with huet and halak

price lost his starting job to halak...but that was because halak was better...it is actually a good comparison because price was teh starter but the backup outplayed him and he lost his job

very similar with 2 young goalies as well

TheCountofMonteCristo
04-04-2014, 12:20 PM
I think it's how any young goalie in his situation would have responded to the circumstances. So, no, I do not think it reflects too poorly on Reimer. His play has been shitty, but that's not excusing it. It's just trying to understand why it is so.

or maybe he played above his head last year?

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04-04-2014, 12:30 PM
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MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-04-2014, 12:52 PM
Bernier has a MCL strain. Out for three weeks.

CRL
04-04-2014, 12:53 PM
does it really matter right now? season ends in 8 days

Leafyblue
04-04-2014, 12:56 PM
It would be a pretty typical Leaf turn of events if Reimer stands on his head the rest of the way.

Cojo
04-04-2014, 01:02 PM
That would be a great turn of events.

Problem is, it doesnt guarantee anything.

The leafs need to play well in front of him as well if we want to win games. There was plenty of times when Bernier stood on his head and the leafs still came up short.

Pronger84
04-04-2014, 01:07 PM
It would be a pretty typical Leaf turn of events if Reimer stands on his head the rest of the way.

This is Reimer's golden chance to prove to himself, to the Leafs and to every other team out there he can be a #1 goalie in this league.... whether he's here or with another team is a moot point right now, if Riemer can play like he did last game for the next 4 it goes a long way to helping his case.

CRL
04-04-2014, 01:14 PM
This is Reimer's golden chance to prove to himself, to the Leafs and to every other team out there he can be a #1 goalie in this league.... whether he's here or with another team is a moot point right now, if Riemer can play like he did last game for the next 4 it goes a long way to helping his case.

it is like he didnt want to prove anything till now? dude simply cant see the ****ing puck, I think he is legally blind, what he does all the time is searching for the puck but not following play.

zeke
04-04-2014, 02:49 PM
Career

Bernier (25): 117gms, 6543min, 22.1 goalie point shares
Reimer (25): 137gms, 7424min, 25.0 goalie point shares

Best to worst seasons sv%

Bernier '10: 3gms, .957
Reimer '13: 33gms, .924
Bernier '14: 55gms, .922
Bernier '13: 14gms, .922
Reimer '11: 37gms, .921
Bernier '11: 25gms, .913
Bernier '12: 16gms, .909
Reimer '14: 33gms, .908
Reimer '12: 34gms, .900
Bernier '08: 4gms, .864

mbow30
04-04-2014, 03:03 PM
It's pretty awesome that the Leafs got a goalie who is at least as good as Reimer for basically nothing. And it's lucky they got him in light of the fact that Reimer's play has slipped.

Bleedsblue&white
04-04-2014, 03:06 PM
You dumbasses think I brought up this confidence issue to excuse his play. That is utterly false. I brought it up to point out the impact of Nonis' trade, which all you Bernie lovers went apeshit over.

Because it was the right move dummy. Better goalie, better rebound control, better with the puck....but no, let's keep the guy who can't hold onto a puck.

-Lol at your excuse making, good stuff.

Bleedsblue&white
04-04-2014, 03:08 PM
Beleafer, what about defence? Do yu expect your dman to play worse because we signed a couple D in the off season for example?

How about a winger? Or is it just goalies because they're so weak?

mbow30
04-04-2014, 03:10 PM
well the problem is obviously that reimer is mentally fragile.

zeke
04-04-2014, 03:28 PM
Bernier 1st half: 28gms, .930sv%
Bernier 2nd half: 27gms, .914sv%

Reimer 1st half: 18gms, .924sv%
Reimer 2nd half: 15gms, .887sv%

We so sure that bernier is elite based on one torrid half season in a platoon that we're willing to ditch reimer based on a poor handful of games in his first stretch as a backup goalie since he started playing hockey?

We've seen reimer put up elite numbers while playing a true #1 goalie share of games, while bernie's slipped back into mediocrity since taking over the full #1 role.

Volcanologist
04-04-2014, 03:30 PM
well Reimer last season was good enough for you wasn't it?

number17
04-04-2014, 03:30 PM
I don't think it's a matter of we want to ditch Reimer.

I think Reimer wants out. I think he's made it clear the circumstances of being a 1b (or a backup ... and I can't even argue with that arrangement seeing how well Bernier's played) isn't working for him.

AND, your Bernier numbers are a little skewed zeke. You've included a handful of games when he was clearly rushed back and playing when he's less than 100%.

You saying reimer put up elite # as a a #1 is also not 100% accurate. Reimer's NHL numbers have been up and down. Only thing is he had injuries as reasons to explain for his downward trends in the past, but not this season (unless he was injured in the LA game ... but he would have come out and say that if that is true).

leafman101
04-04-2014, 03:37 PM
Reimer has been in the NHL for 4 years now. Two of them were half seasons where he was great. The other two he was shit.

Overall he has been a below average .913.

The inconsistency there is a red flag for sure in terms of him being a reliable starter.

leafman101
04-04-2014, 03:46 PM
On the other hand Bernier has been consistently good this year. Tough to argue that.

October - 10 gp, .933
November - 8 gp, .923
December - 10 gp, .932
January - 12 gp, .916
February - 5 gp, .926
March - 8 gp, .907
April - 2 gp, .922


His only struggles coincided with the groin injury.

Bleedsblue&white
04-04-2014, 04:07 PM
Even when Reimer was making saves, he has never handled rebounds well, andbeveytime he goes behind the net it's an adventure
.
Zeke, you disagree with this?

zeke
04-04-2014, 04:14 PM
Bernier has only handled an undisputed #1 role for half a season....and he's been mediocre and injured in that role.

Reimer has been the undisputed healthy #1 for two half seasons, and has been elite in both.

Bleedsblue&white
04-04-2014, 04:15 PM
Mediocre? Holy **** you are stupid- stubborn, Zeke.

zeke
04-04-2014, 04:17 PM
He was awesome when he was fighting reimer for the top spot back in the early months, mediocre since being handed the undisputed #1 role.

leafman101
04-04-2014, 04:18 PM
Heh. Bernier has a .922 over 55 games and that isn't impressive, but we are supposed to be impressed with two 30 game half seasons over 4 years?

#doublestandard

mbow30
04-04-2014, 04:21 PM
Reimer in Jan/Feb 2011: 929
Reimer in March/April 2011: 912

reimer 2012-13 vs bernier 2013-14 (sv% by month)

933 (B oct)
932 (B Dec)
931 (R Feb)
930 (R Feb)
923 (B nov)
922 (B Apr)
918 (R Feb)
916 (B Jan)
910 (R Jan)
907 (B Mar)

months under 910 (B 1 > R 0. Advantage R)

% of months over 920 (B 71% > R 50%. Advantage B)

these numbers can easily be massaged in all sorts of ways to show one person having the advantage over the other.

leafman101
04-04-2014, 04:25 PM
And for the record Bernier's save percentage since he became the undisputed starter in late December is .920.

Since December 23:
30 gp, .920.

Mediocre.

mbow30
04-04-2014, 04:28 PM
GGFR

leafman101
04-04-2014, 04:34 PM
Pre-December 23

Bernier - 20 GS, .927
Reimer - 18 GS, .924

Since December 23
Bernier - 29 GS, .920
Reimer - 11 GS, .885

zeke
04-04-2014, 04:41 PM
Since the first time bernier was given more than 3 starts in a row: 26gms, .912sv%

leafman101
04-04-2014, 04:47 PM
http://propagandaprofessordotnet2.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/cherry-picking.jpg?w=300&h=222

MindzEye
04-04-2014, 05:20 PM
I for one am wondering how Bernier has performed in the 2nd period of every tuesday game against a team whose name ends with a vowel.

Only then will we be able to put this argument to rest.

Bleedsblue&white
04-04-2014, 05:25 PM
Heh. Bernier has a .922 over 55 games and that isn't impressive, but we are supposed to be impressed with two 30 game half seasons over 4 years?

#doublestandard

Yep.

I actually get a little pissed off when zeke tries his gobbledygook on us.
Save it for the unwashed man, we've all been around you too long too fall for this shit.

Volcanologist
04-04-2014, 05:33 PM
Since the first time bernier was given more than 3 starts in a row: 26gms, .912sv%

:lol

Wayward DP
04-04-2014, 05:45 PM
keep it up zeke. great stuff.

Leafyblue
04-04-2014, 05:59 PM
Our goaltending was "busted" for about a week and it knocked us out of the playoffs. That just tells me that goaltending was the only reason we were in it for so long. Team stinks.

rated
04-04-2014, 07:04 PM
All this stupid debating because 2 individuals have this stupid unnatural biased love affair for one player.

It's so beyond ridiculous, can't you Reimer fanboys just be happy with having 2 legit goalies ? I expect this shit from the retards at hf boards, not here.

TheCountofMonteCristo
04-04-2014, 07:09 PM
Yep.

I actually get a little pissed off when zeke tries his gobbledygook on us.
Save it for the unwashed man, we've all been around you too long too fall for this shit.

Zeke 101. When the numbers used do not show what he wants, use other numbers or jerk around with the sample size to get something that shows they do.

Someone should use the 3rd period and OT of game 7 last year to show Reimer doesn't win when it counts.

number17
04-05-2014, 10:43 AM
I for one am wondering how Bernier has performed in the 2nd period of every tuesday game against a team whose name ends with a vowel.

Only then will we be able to put this argument to rest.Lol... And can't agree more.

I mean, the argument for reimer seems to be he falters only when he faces intense competition, and meanwhile bernier plays better when facing competition.

Is that the reason we want reimer? I thought that's advantage to bernier?

You want goalies who have nerves of steel, no?

Bleedsblue&white
04-05-2014, 11:42 AM
There's a lot of things that go into a good keeper, and I see my team play better in front of Bernier, whether it's his rebound control, puck handling, whatever....Reimer will guarantee more panic in our end.

If James learns to control his rebounds he might make a good starter, for now though, no.

zeke
04-05-2014, 12:33 PM
"rebound control" is the biggest bullshit in the world.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-05-2014, 12:43 PM
"rebound control" is the biggest bullshit in the world.

So is your undying love of all things Reimer.

JackBurton
04-05-2014, 12:44 PM
Reimer does have bad rebound control. Bernier kills him in that department.

Bleedsblue&white
04-05-2014, 02:18 PM
"rebound control" is the biggest bullshit in the world.

You deny that Vernier is better at swallowing rebounds Zeke?

**** sakes, my tablet wants to rename Bernie Vernier... So it's going to happen from time to time, deal with it.

Wayward DP
04-05-2014, 02:20 PM
Autocorrect is the bane of my existence. First thing I do on any device is turn it off. Infuriating technology.

Bleedsblue&white
04-05-2014, 03:13 PM
I can turn it off? Hmmmm, it does have it's uses, but I might try that.

Habsy
04-05-2014, 05:38 PM
You deny that Vernier is better at swallowing rebounds Zeke?

**** sakes, my tablet wants to rename Bernie Vernier... So it's going to happen from time to time, deal with it.

Add to dictionary.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-05-2014, 08:06 PM
Add to dictionary.

This

blacksheep
04-08-2014, 05:54 PM
Get a tablet with a smarter autospell that doesn't require proper names to be added to the dictionary.