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soco22
04-12-2014, 06:21 PM
In all my years, never started a game day thread.

Big two points, if we win - we go from drafting 9th to drafting potentially 12th. Which I'm guessing a heap of tankers don't want. Basically, the winner loses.

On the other hand...**** the sens.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 06:31 PM
Bitter sweet. If all goes well we could pick as high as 7th if i read everything correctly.

LOSE!!!

soco22
04-12-2014, 06:32 PM
Think 8th is as high as we can go. Only Canucks can pass us.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 06:36 PM
You are correct, i thought we had a tie break over Winnipeg.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 06:38 PM
Winnipeg does have the tie break. We can get to 7th. Currently we are 8th.

LeafGm
04-12-2014, 06:39 PM
This seems like a perfect night for a David Clarkson hat trick, doesn't it?

soco22
04-12-2014, 06:40 PM
Winnipeg does have the tie break. We can get to 7th. Currently we are 8th.

1. Buffalo
2. Edmonton
3. Florida
4. NYI
5. Calgary
6. Carolina
7. Vancouver - 81pts
8. Winnipeg - 84pts
9. Toronto - 84pts (more wins)

Metalleaf
04-12-2014, 06:40 PM
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/4781140/game-of-thrones-ned-stark-o.gif

Pronger84
04-12-2014, 06:40 PM
This seems like a perfect night for a David Clarkson hat trick, doesn't it?

Why do I have a feeling that's exactly what will happen?

Matrim
04-12-2014, 06:42 PM
This seems like a perfect night for a David Clarkson hat trick, doesn't it?

Boyd Devereaux 2.0

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 06:43 PM
Not really the battle of Tank Nations when one team doesn't have their pick.

soco22
04-12-2014, 06:43 PM
This seems like a perfect night for a David Clarkson hat trick, doesn't it?

Assuming you mean his clarkson hat trick? Fall, turnover, start a fight that he loses - all in the same shift...?

soco22
04-12-2014, 06:44 PM
Not really the battle of Tank Nations when one team doesn't have their pick.

That's the point - makes sens fans think about giving up the pick for Ryan :)

Pronger84
04-12-2014, 06:47 PM
That's the point - makes sens fans think about giving up the pick for Ryan :)

Which means Sens come out swinging.... **** I hope the Leafs lose... if there is a god make it happen.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 06:49 PM
1. Buffalo
2. Edmonton
3. Florida
4. NYI
5. Calgary
6. Carolina
7. Vancouver - 81pts
8. Winnipeg - 84pts
9. Toronto - 84pts (more wins)

Its not wins. Its ROW which they are tied with us at 29. But Winnipeg is 2-0 vs us this year so they have the second tie breaker. We're 8th last right now.

soco22
04-12-2014, 06:50 PM
Touché. ****en tsn standings.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 06:54 PM
7th would be nice. We get ourselves a nice bluechipper, and maybe even move up.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 07:18 PM
This seems like a perfect night for a David Clarkson hat trick, doesn't it?

yeah. THIS game they'll probably win.

JackBurton
04-12-2014, 07:22 PM
7th/8th is a very solid pick. Now that I've accepted the collapse that's the one positive.

soco22
04-12-2014, 07:26 PM
7th/8th is a very solid pick. Now that I've accepted the collapse that's the one positive.

Positives:
- higher 1st round pick if we can lose this one
- Carlyle being canned?
- Shanny being brought in, is likely related to this tank
- gonna guess franson, ranger, Orr, mcclement (so ****en overrated) are all gone

Negatives:
- weak eastern conference, outside of bruins (pens don't have goaltending still)...never know once you make it in this conference if you can go all the way
- no playoff matchup vs habs. Month ago looked like a slam dunk i would be watching my first ever habs/leafs series

Feyd
04-12-2014, 07:44 PM
Reimer's as good as gone too I think...

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 07:54 PM
Any chance we hear "Fire Nonis" chants tonight?

soco22
04-12-2014, 07:55 PM
Any chance we hear "Fire Nonis" chants tonight?

Not a home game...prob not

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 07:56 PM
You sure its not a home game? :smilewinkgrin:

Feyd
04-12-2014, 08:02 PM
"You're looking at Montreal, the Paris of North America."

Heh, right.

JohnnyHolmes
04-12-2014, 08:09 PM
Get ready for the Clarke MacArthur show.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 08:12 PM
immediate 2 on 1 against, good sign.

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:15 PM
Reimer's as good as gone too I think...

same as Franson,Kule, Mcselke, Gunnar, possibly Jake

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 08:18 PM
same as Franson,Kule, Mcselke, Gunnar, possibly Jake

Good, all junk.

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:20 PM
Good, all junk.

good luck with Gleason next few years

Feyd
04-12-2014, 08:20 PM
Burn The Boats... er, Goats.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 08:24 PM
Gleason has gotten progressively worse as the season has gone on. I liked him when he first came in, but the honey moon appears to be over.

Another contract that needs to be moved.

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:27 PM
Gleason has gotten progressively worse as the season has gone on. I liked him when he first came in, but the honey moon appears to be over.

Another contract that needs to be moved.
how about Dion for 7 mil next many years?

Feyd
04-12-2014, 08:29 PM
I think Dion can turn it around under a new coach/system

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 08:29 PM
... pretty sure he batted that in with his hand anyway. Not sure what they're seeing.

Leafyblue
04-12-2014, 08:32 PM
Is it just me that thinks Reimer has no idea where the puck is after it hits him?..and I mean...ever?

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:34 PM
I think Dion can turn it around under a new coach/system

up to the level of 7 mlm? not in the million years, he got no tools for that, there is no coach in this planet what can make him worth it

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:35 PM
Is it just me that thinks Reimer has no idea where the puck is after it hits him?..and I mean...ever?
coloured glasses off finally? 2 years too late

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 08:37 PM
I think Dion can turn it around under a new coach/system

And with a better supporting cast.

If the Leafs decide to part with Dion, I don't think it'll be quite as tough to trade him as the media thinks, despite his poor recent play(-18 in his last 20 games apparently).

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:41 PM
And with a better supporting cast.

If the Leafs decide to part with Dion, I don't think it'll be quite as tough to trade him as the media thinks, despite his poor recent play(-18 in his last 20 games apparently).

support like what? Sutter? Doughty?

Leafyblue
04-12-2014, 08:42 PM
Golf Town commercials. Beautiful.

Killer93
04-12-2014, 08:42 PM
How does Granberg look?

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:43 PM
How does Granberg look?

6 shifts, not noticed him which is good

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 08:44 PM
Is Hughson high?

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 08:45 PM
Unless Phaneuf is a locker room problem(which i don't think is the case), we should not be looking to move him. Get him someone to play with.

I'm not sure who would be a good fit though.

JohnnyHolmes
04-12-2014, 08:46 PM
Bs call on Wiercioch.

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:46 PM
Unless Phaneuf is a locker room problem(which i don't think is the case), we should not be looking to move him. Get him someone to play with.

I'm not sure who would be a good fit though.

you think why they moved him from Calgary? locker room...

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 08:46 PM
I agree.

Score you piece of shit Senturds! Win this one for f*ck sakes.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 08:47 PM
Is Hughson high?

No, just retarded.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 08:48 PM
you think why they moved him from Calgary? locker room...

Its possible. Maybe he is not well liked. If that is the case, send him to Edmonton for the highest offer. He'd be a decent fit there.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 08:49 PM
you think why they moved him from Calgary? locker room...

Issues with Regehr. Phaneuf is still buddies with a lot of the guys from Calgary. He and Regehr couldn't stand each other...so they traded Dion instead of their captain.

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:49 PM
Its possible. Maybe he is not well liked. If that is the case, send him to Edmonton for the highest offer. He'd be a decent fit there.

all our signed players have NTC FYI

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 08:50 PM
I thought Phaneuf's NTC starts on July 1st.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 08:52 PM
support like what? Sutter? Doughty?

support by a better group of blueliners than Gunnarsson, Franson, Gardiner, etc

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 08:54 PM
That budweiser commercial is horrifically gay

Hoss
04-12-2014, 08:55 PM
If Oil Change miraculously... or habitually, wins the first overall pick in this draft, would you take it along with say Galchenyuk for Double Dion??

Killer93
04-12-2014, 08:55 PM
Reimer comes to play now, ****ing loser

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:55 PM
support by a better group of blueliners than Gunnarsson, Franson, Gardiner, etc

like whom?

CRL
04-12-2014, 08:59 PM
Cherry should shut up after he pushed for Clarkson to go to TO

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:01 PM
reimer coming to play tonight is humorous. Ofcourse he would.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 09:03 PM
like whom?

like anyone better than them. go after Edler, or Yandle, or Myers, for instance...any of those guys has been rumoured available.

Rielly will also likely get more minutes next season and probably moves from the 5 spot to the 3. that should have an impact as well.

CRL
04-12-2014, 09:06 PM
like anyone better than them. go after Edler, or Yandle, or Myers, for instance...any of those guys has been rumoured available.

Rielly will also likely get more minutes next season and probably moves from the 5 spot to the 3. that should have an impact as well.
arent he should make other D man look better but not expect others do that to him?

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 09:08 PM
arent he should make other D man look better but not expect others do that to him?

Are you having a stroke?

CRL
04-12-2014, 09:09 PM
Are you having a stroke?

nope Im enjoying last game of the year

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:10 PM
Gardiner and Franson are hot garbage in our end. Rielly is 20 with very limited experience and no defensive insulation.

Gunnarson has been subpar this year. Gleason has been progressively getting worse.

Phaneuf has no one.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 09:11 PM
Granberg did well there

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:12 PM
that to go along with one of the weakest defensive forward groups in the league.

It'd be interesting if Shanahan came in and dismantled the team and kept Carlyle. Get rid of these floaters.

Metalleaf
04-12-2014, 09:14 PM
What's the point of playing Granberg slightly more than Orr?

Bleedsblue&white
04-12-2014, 09:14 PM
Even though we all hang out here regardless, I still feel like this is a goodbye game.

Cheers all, here's hoping things get better.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 09:15 PM
Kadri is so useless.

Pronger84
04-12-2014, 09:17 PM
that to go along with one of the weakest defensive forward groups in the league.

It'd be interesting if Shanahan came in and dismantled the team and kept Carlyle. Get rid of these floaters.

I think you'll see several 2-way guys come in the offseason, it's imperative we sign Bolland because currently he's the only guy that does well in both ends of the rink.

The interesting thing is the Shanahan-Detroit organzations... I wonder how many trades will shake down between the two teams.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:22 PM
BEAUTY!!

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:22 PM
Spezza helping out his new club already. Thanks Giggles.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:22 PM
right passed the glove. surprise surprise.

Killer93
04-12-2014, 09:26 PM
Spezza!!

Leafyblue
04-12-2014, 09:27 PM
Maybe we can get Alfie next year too. ;)

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:28 PM
I'd like to remind the ****s cheering against their own team...that the last time we did this, we would have gotten Brayden Schenn instead of Kadri.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:30 PM
I'd like to remind the ****s cheering against their own team...that the last time we did this, we would have gotten Brayden Schenn instead of Kadri.

Although i agree with you i must say that 7th or 8th >>> 10-12th.

I can care less about historical occurrences. Kadri hasn't set the world on fire either.

JohnnyHolmes
04-12-2014, 09:31 PM
Definitely going to need more than Kadri back in any Spezza trade.

I think we keep him anyway.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:32 PM
Although i agree with you i must say that 7th or 8th >>> 10-12th.

I can care less about historical occurrences. Kadri hasn't set the world on fire either.

Kadri has been much better than Schenn. We're better off with Kadri than we would have been with Schenn, full stop.

Once you get out of the top 3-5 picks in any draft, it's about who you pick, not where you pick.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:33 PM
I'd like to remind the ****s cheering against their own team...that the last time we did this, we would have gotten Brayden Schenn instead of Kadri.

I'd just like our scouts to have the highest pick possible. If they still manage to **** it up, it's their problem and there's nothing we can do about that. But it's game 82 and we're dead in the water so 7th instead of 9th is fine by me.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 09:34 PM
what a shit show. I hate this team.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:34 PM
Hah. **** Granberg broke up a 3 on 1 and now a 4 on 1. At least someone is trying.

CRL
04-12-2014, 09:34 PM
cmon Granberg we need this, stop this shit!

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:34 PM
Granberg for 2014-15 Leafs team!

Blow it up!

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:35 PM
Its pretty tough not to cheer against a team that has given up.

Killer93
04-12-2014, 09:35 PM
This team is so bad; unreal

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:36 PM
Its pretty tough not to cheer against a team that has given up.

Also this. So much this.

This isn't just a team that lacks talent that's losing while working their asses off.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 09:37 PM
we can't cheer to lose to the sens though. that can't happen.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:38 PM
I'd just like our scouts to have the highest pick possible. If they still manage to **** it up, it's their problem and there's nothing we can do about that. But it's game 82 and we're dead in the water so 7th instead of 9th is fine by me.

There's no difference statistically between the two picks. If you pick Brian Lee instead of Kopitar, it doesn't matter whether you're 7th, 9th, 11th, etc.

There will be a good, maybe a great NHL'er available at our pick, wherever it is in that range. Cheering against your team is disgusting, just turn the game off at that point and take a break.

Losing is for losers. Cheering to lose is the height of ridiculous.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 09:38 PM
we can't cheer to lose to the sens though. that can't happen.

So much this.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:38 PM
Ottawa is playing a pretty good game for a team playing for nothing.

And the Leafs? Look to be counting down the seconds.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:39 PM
Its pretty tough not to cheer against a team that has given up.

Then turn off the TV and start your personal off season a bit early. That's entirely cool. Frustration I understand, turning coat I don't.

Cheering against your team, actively cheering against them is about on phony pony level.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:41 PM
There's no difference statistically between the two picks. If you pick Brian Lee instead of Kopitar, it doesn't matter whether you're 7th, 9th, 11th, etc.

There will be a good, maybe a great NHL'er available at our pick, wherever it is in that range. Cheering against your team is disgusting, just turn the game off at that point and take a break.

Losing is for losers. Cheering to lose is the height of ridiculous.

7th or 8th >>> 10-12th

I am cheering for this sad sack group of players to lose because there is a good likelihood that a good chunk of these bums will not be on the roster next season.

I am cheering for the players to lose, not the team. These bums quit, and you can see it.

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:42 PM
I want more balls in the lottery. 7th is better than 11th. Even if it's just a few percentage points better. Could change our franchise winning it.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:42 PM
The Leafs are my TEAM.

Individual bums on this team that have quit on the TEAM are the guys worth cheering against.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:42 PM
There's no difference statistically between the two picks. If you pick Brian Lee instead of Kopitar, it doesn't matter whether you're 7th, 9th, 11th, etc.

There will be a good, maybe a great NHL'er available at our pick, wherever it is in that range. Cheering against your team is disgusting, just turn the game off at that point and take a break.

Losing is for losers. Cheering to lose is the height of ridiculous.

I think it's pretty self explanatory though. I'd rather have more good players to choose from than less. If the Leafs scouts **** up, take a Brian Lee out of the bunch, that's another thing entirely.

Losing is for losers and this team is already a big bunch of losers. They probably won't snap out of it in Game 82 so what the hell, I'll take 7 instead of 9.

Feyd
04-12-2014, 09:43 PM
lol @ Granberg interview

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:44 PM
Then turn off the TV and start your personal off season a bit early. That's entirely cool. Frustration I understand, turning coat I don't.

Cheering against your team, actively cheering against them is about on phony pony level.

I am not actually cheering for the Sens. I just don't care at this point and realize what the better outcome for the team is.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:44 PM
I think it's pretty self explanatory though. I'd rather have more good players to choose from than less. If the Leafs scouts **** up, take a Brian Lee out of the bunch, that's another thing entirely.

Losing is for losers and this team is already a big bunch of losers. They probably won't snap out of it in Game 82 so what the hell, I'll take 7 instead of 9.

Not only that but they could fall as far as 12. And even more importantly a couple of teams have won the lottery from the 7 slot.

zeke
04-12-2014, 09:45 PM
haven't watched a minute, but I'll be pissed if they come back and win this.

7th overall pick is so close.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:46 PM
Then turn off the TV and start your personal off season a bit early. That's entirely cool. Frustration I understand, turning coat I don't.

Cheering against your team, actively cheering against them is about on phony pony level.

... you actually saying if I'd turned the TV off last week and didn't think about the Leafs til October, I'd be a better Leaf fan than if I watch intently on Day 1 and 2 of the draft? Okay. I think that's pretty silly.

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:46 PM
Guess also another pathetic effort will reinforce need for coaching changes.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:46 PM
I am not actually cheering for the Sens. I just don't care at this point and realize what the better outcome for the team is.

Yup.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:47 PM
If the team wanted Carlyle back next year they wouldn't be playing like this.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:47 PM
7th or 8th >>> 10-12th

I guess the first problem is your poor grasp of the facts. The Leafs can finish no higher than 11th from the bottom, and they're unlikely to finish 7th (Vancouver would have to win back to backs). So we're really talking about 8th being better than 11th. Again, there's little to support that when you look at the drafting records. Once you get outside of the top handful of picks, it gets very crap shooty.




I am cheering for this sad sack group of players to lose because there is a good likelihood that a good chunk of these bums will not be on the roster next season.


Sort of. You're cheering against them because you're frustrated and can't process that in a mature manner. Basically, you're having the fan equivalent of a tantrum.


I am cheering for the players to lose, not the team. These bums quit, and you can see it.

You're cheering for an Ottawa Senators win against the Leafs, let that sink in.

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:48 PM
If the team wanted Carlyle back next year they wouldn't be playing like this.

That would be my point...reinforcing need for change with shitty effort outside of very few players

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:49 PM
... you actually saying if I'd turned the TV off last week and didn't think about the Leafs til October, I'd be a better Leaf fan than if I watch intently on Day 1 and 2 of the draft? Okay. I think that's pretty silly.

I agree that it's silly. Sillier yet is how you came to this conclusion from what I said.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:49 PM
Good news in Granberg is going to look good on our blueline next year.

Rielly-Phaneuf
Gardiner-XXX
Gunnar-Granberg
Gleason

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:50 PM
Meh, cancuks are playing oilers and flames. Not unthinkable they could take both games

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:50 PM
I am not actually cheering for the Sens. I just don't care at this point and realize what the better outcome for the team is.

The better outcome is getting the best available player in the draft. History shows us that the difference between 8th and 11th is negligible.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:50 PM
I agree that it's silly. Sillier yet is how you came to this conclusion from what I said.

You said if I wanted the outcome to be that the Leafs lost tonight and get 7 instead of 9, then I might as well turn off the TV and take an early offseason otherwise I am phonypony. If that's not what you just said, then please do clarify.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:52 PM
Meh, cancuks are playing oilers and flames. Not unthinkable they could take both games

No, but they've been shit this year too. Far more likely that they get less than 4 points.

But whatever, I'm going to let this go. A bunch of people showing their real colours though.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:52 PM
Argue to argue why dont ya?

This group of individuals playing for my favorite team are mailing it in as they have done for the last 2 weeks. No tantrum. Basic fact remains that these guys have quit and don't deserve my support. I cheer for the leafs, not the names on the back of the jersey.

When draft day comes, 7th or 8th is way better than 11th. Whether we are using the pick to draft someone, or if we decide to use it.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 09:52 PM
You said if I wanted the outcome to be that the Leafs lost tonight and get 7 instead of 9, then I might as well turn off the TV and take an early offseason otherwise I am phonypony. If that's not what you just said, then please do clarify.

The draft is part of the off season, no?

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:53 PM
The better outcome is getting the best available player in the draft. History shows us that the difference between 8th and 11th is negligible.

There is nothing to gain from a win.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 09:54 PM
They don't even care, I'm not sure why I am supposed to.

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:55 PM
No, but they've been shit this year too. Far more likely that they get less than 4 points.

But whatever, I'm going to let this go. A bunch of people showing their real colours though.

Canucks have sucked. But again, talking about 2 of the worst teams in the league.

Either way, I agree - you bitching at ppl wanting to pick higher is a waste. Hard to argue 7/8th > 11th, if we hope to either win lotto, take best player, trade value, get into that top 5.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:56 PM
We're all watching a meaningless Game 82 on a Saturday night and posting about it online after we watched this team come up with an embarrassing and epic losing streak.

I'm really wondering how you figure people should have their loyalty called into question here...

Leafyblue
04-12-2014, 09:56 PM
I'll be pissed if they come back and win this.

I think if we get one tonight, we'll get 3.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:59 PM
We're all watching a meaningless Game 82 on a Saturday night and posting about it online after we watched this team come up with an embarrassing and epic losing streak.

I'm really wondering how you figure people should have their loyalty called into question here...

This.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:00 PM
I'm really wondering how you figure people should have their loyalty called into question here...

Easy, by the team they're cheering for. Ironic that you would use the word loyalty in your post, in this context. Didn't think that through, did ya?

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:01 PM
Easy, by the team they're cheering for. Ironic that you would use the word loyalty in your post, in this context. Didn't think that through, did ya?

I'm cheering for the best possible outcome for the team I'm loyal to. Which I believe at this point is to have the higher draft pick. Yes, even if it's just a few spots.

It's very, very simple.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:02 PM
either disloyal, or ignorant. Take your pick.

Either lashing out at their team with their frustration (and trust me, I'm ****ing frustrated to). Or ignorant towards the difference between the picks potentially in play. Every draft analysis that has been done says that after pick 5, there's **** all difference between pick 6 and pick 20 ****ing 5.

So yeah. Either throwing a fan tantrum, or clueless about what they're wishing for.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:03 PM
I'm cheering for the best possible outcome for the team I'm loyal to. Which I believe at this point is to have the higher draft pick. Yes, even if it's just a few spots.

It's very, very simple.

So ignorant. Cool.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:03 PM
Losing another will only further embarrass the team into making much needed change. Lots of pluses im seeing.

From watching this game, too bad its not a blowout.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:04 PM
either disloyal, or ignorant. Take your pick.

Either lashing out at their team with their frustration (and trust me, I'm ****ing frustrated to). Or ignorant towards the difference between the picks potentially in play. Every draft analysis that has been done says that after pick 5, there's **** all difference between pick 6 and pick 20 ****ing 5.

So yeah. Either throwing a fan tantrum, or clueless about what they're wishing for.

Tantrum tantrum.

If that is the case, wouldnt it be easier to get into the top5 having a pick 2 picks away as opposed to 6 picks away?

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:05 PM
http://theleafsnation.com/2011/3/10/the-value-of-an-nhl-draft-pick

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/scott_cullen/?ID=267960

http://www.arcticicehockey.com/2011/6/21/2235503/nhl-draft-value-pick-chart


At least know what you're cheering for.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:06 PM
Tantrum tantrum.

If that is the case, wouldnt it be easier to get into the top5 having a pick 2 picks away as opposed to 6 picks away?

Sure, but top 5 picks aren't moved often. The top 3 picks that are worth a lot more than the 4-5 on average are almost never moved. The acquisition cost of moving up to the 4-5 is almost never worth it. Remember us trading up to take Luke Schenn?

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 10:06 PM
If a team out there who has a star and needs to make changes for whatever reasons (i.e. Carolina), it's much easier to sell the trade to their fans if it's "player x, y, z and the 7th overall pick", than if it's "player x,y,z, and the 12th overall pick."

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 10:07 PM
Traitors always have the best of reasons....doesn't make the treason any less though.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:07 PM
So ignorant. Cool.

I'm quite aware of everything you mentioned. It still doesn't mean I'd rather have a lower pick than a higher pick.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 10:08 PM
If a team out there who has a star and needs to make changes for whatever reasons (i.e. Carolina), it's much easier to sell the trade to their fans if it's "player x, y, z and the 7th overall pick", than if it's "player x,y,z, and the 12th overall pick."

The difference is likely 8 to 11.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:09 PM
Traitors always have the best of reasons....doesn't make the treason any less though.

My nigga

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:11 PM
If a team out there who has a star and needs to make changes for whatever reasons (i.e. Carolina), it's much easier to sell the trade to their fans if it's "player x, y, z and the 7th overall pick", than if it's "player x,y,z, and the 12th overall pick."


No, it's really not. When Vancouver traded Schneider for the 9 pick last season, you think it would have made any difference if it was a 12-13 pick? What matters in that case is the player available, not the pick. If Bo Horvat was available at the 12, Gillis still makes that mistake.

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 10:11 PM
The difference is likely 8 to 11.

you are right. The Leafs have more wins than Winnipeg. Still however, I don't see any advantage of picking three spots lower and not in the top 10, over picking 8th. What positives come out of winning this game?

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:12 PM
Nashville ties it up!

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:13 PM
I'm quite aware of everything you mentioned. It still doesn't mean I'd rather have a lower pick than a higher pick.

Even though the picks are of identical value? Yet you wonder why I criticise. You're cheering for the Sens to beat the Leafs, even though you're aware that there is no difference in the quality of the draft picks involved?

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:13 PM
No, it's really not. When Vancouver traded Schneider for the 9 pick last season, you think it would have made any difference if it was a 12-13 pick? What matters in that case is the player available, not the pick. If Bo Horvat was available at the 12, Gillis still makes that mistake.

What is the nj had the 12th pick and bo was taken beforehand? Then they don't get to make the trade for all we know

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 10:13 PM
No, it's really not. When Vancouver traded Schneider for the 9 pick last season, you think it would have made any difference if it was a 12-13 pick? What matters in that case is the player available, not the pick. If Bo Horvat was available at the 12, Gillis still makes that mistake.

Was thinking more about a small market team like Carolina than a hockey crazed city. Top 9 and out of the top 10 would be easier to sell.

Still, even if the difference is minimal, we literally gain nothing from winning this game tonight (do we?)

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:14 PM
you are right. The Leafs have more wins than Winnipeg. Still however, I don't see any advantage of picking three spots lower and not in the top 10, over picking 8th. What positives come out of winning this game?

Winning the game is it's own positive. If there is no historic difference between the 8 and the 11 pick, then why wouldn't you cheer for your team to win? They could win, and not have it effect their chances of getting a good player in the draft...win-win, right?

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:15 PM
Was thinking more about a small market team like Carolina than a hockey crazed city. Top 9 and out of the top 10 would be easier to sell.

Still, even if the difference is minimal, we literally gain nothing from winning this game tonight (do we?)

and we gain nothing by losing either. So why not win? Isn't that supposed to be the point of playing?

CRL
04-12-2014, 10:15 PM
someone throws jersey to the ice

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:16 PM
Nashville ties it up!

Excellent. All we need is them to get 1 point and for Vancouver to win against Edmonton tonight.

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:16 PM
Winning the game is it's own positive. If there is no historic difference between the 8 and the 11 pick, then why wouldn't you cheer for your team to win? They could win, and not have it effect their chances of getting a good player in the draft...win-win, right?

But it can effect it...

Percentage to win the draft, better trade value, etc...

You're only looking at it as if we are making the pick.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:16 PM
Reimer sack of garbage scum comes to play when it doesn't matter.

Bum.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:18 PM
Even though the picks are of identical value? Yet you wonder why I criticise. You're cheering for the Sens to beat the Leafs, even though you're aware that there is no difference in the quality of the draft picks involved?

A team with the 8th pick over the 10th or 11th pick just has two or three more available players to choose from and a higher shot at the 1st overall pick. It could ultimately make no difference at all. They could screw up and take the wrong player anyway. I just want them to have that shot. Because winning at this point, in game 82 against a shitty Senators team wouldn't make me feel anything at all.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 10:18 PM
Winning the game is it's own positive. If there is no historic difference between the 8 and the 11 pick, then why wouldn't you cheer for your team to win? They could win, and not have it effect their chances of getting a good player in the draft...win-win, right?

Its meaningless. There is no positive.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:18 PM
someone throws jersey to the ice

good.

rated
04-12-2014, 10:18 PM
Never cheer against your team.

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 10:18 PM
and we gain nothing by losing either. So why not win? Isn't that supposed to be the point of playing?

As mentioned, I think there is minimal advantage in picking in the single digits while there is no advantage in winning this game tonight. It's quote desperate I agree, but I'd take minimal advantage over pride.

(also lottery the 8th place team has about 2% higher chance of winning the lottery. Again minimal, but better than nothing).

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:19 PM
But it can effect it...

Percentage to win the draft, better trade value, etc...

You're only looking at it as if we are making the pick.

Making the pick is by far the likeliest outcome....and yes, you're right, I don't give a **** about the difference between a 3.6% chance to win the lottery and a 1.5% chance if it means losing a game.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 10:19 PM
Worst then cheering against their team, which is bad enough, they're cheering for one of our biggest rivals. Shameful stuff.

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:19 PM
someone throws jersey to the ice

Prefer the eggo...more meaningful

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:19 PM
Its meaningless. There is no positive.

There's no negative to winning this game either.

Killer93
04-12-2014, 10:20 PM
Waffles > jersey

leafman101
04-12-2014, 10:20 PM
There's no negative to winning this game either.

Exactly its meaningless.

Moving up in the draft is something.

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:20 PM
Worst then cheering against their team, which is bad enough, they're cheering for one of our biggest rivals. Shameful stuff.

Overdramatic much?

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:21 PM
Turnover after turnover. Absolute trash.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:21 PM
A team with the 8th pick over the 10th or 11th pick just has two or three more available players to choose from and a higher shot at the 1st overall pick. It could ultimately make no difference at all. They could screw up and take the wrong player anyway. I just want them to have that shot. Because winning at this point, in game 82 against a shitty Senators team wouldn't make me feel anything at all.


This is all sentiment and feeling. There is no difference historically between the two picks. None. Hilariously, the average 20-25 pick is almost identical in expected player value to the 6-10 pick.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:21 PM
Making the pick is by far the likeliest outcome....and yes, you're right, I don't give a **** about the difference between a 3.6% chance to win the lottery and a 1.5% chance if it means losing a game.

But if we would rather have a 3.6% chance than 1.5% chance if it means losing a meaningless game, we must be ignorant or disloyal? :shocked:

I just don't know what satisfaction you'd get from winning this one personally.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 10:22 PM
Overdramatic much?

You may as well own what you're doing.

rated
04-12-2014, 10:22 PM
Overdramatic much?

no over dramatic would be TimHorton slicing the heads off in a ninja like fashion of those cheering against the Leafs

hes just stating facts yo

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:23 PM
You may as well own what you're doing.

What am I doing? Watching the Nashville game and jays game...cheering for Nashville and jays as we speak.

Can't watch the leafs play. Pukes.

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:25 PM
Hawks take lead :(

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:25 PM
But if we would rather have a 3.6% chance than 1.5% chance if it means losing a meaningless game, we must be ignorant or disloyal? :shocked:

Yes. Either ignorant about the utter lack of difference in the outcome of the draft picks involved, or disloyal towards your club. This really isn't a difficult logic exercise.


I just don't know what satisfaction you'd get from winning this one personally.

By not losing. No satisfaction, as others have mentioned it's entirely meaningless either way, win or lose...utterly meaningless hockey game. But it's a hockey game, and I'm a Toronto Maple Leaf fan. I want them to win every hockey game they play.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:28 PM
Yes. Either ignorant about the utter lack of difference in the outcome of the draft picks involved, or disloyal towards your club. This really isn't a difficult logic exercise.

By not losing. No satisfaction, as others have mentioned it's entirely meaningless either way, win or lose...utterly meaningless hockey game. But it's a hockey game, and I'm a Toronto Maple Leaf fan. I want them to win every hockey game they play.

I'm a Toronto Maple Leaf fan and I want them to win meaningful hockey games. This game I couldn't give two ****s about. Call someone without 40,000 posts about the Leafs disloyal.

MindzEye
04-12-2014, 10:29 PM
I'm a Toronto Maple Leaf fan and I want them to win meaningful hockey games. This game I couldn't give two ****s about. Call someone without 40,000 posts about the Leafs disloyal.

If the shoe fits, rock that shit sister.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 10:32 PM
Gardiner is an idiot.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:32 PM
faggot team.

Killer93
04-12-2014, 10:33 PM
Has David Clarkson tying goal written all over it

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 10:34 PM
Dion and Phil are just not on the same page.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:34 PM
Wouldn't mind if Kessel hit 40 to tie it. If it's Clarkson, **** that.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:36 PM
faggiest team that ever fagged.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:36 PM
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

CRL
04-12-2014, 10:36 PM
YES!

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:36 PM
LOL. Are you serious with end of game goal horn?

Killer93
04-12-2014, 10:36 PM
Collapse complete; 2-12-0 to finish the year. LOL

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 10:36 PM
finally this peace of shit team has been put out of its misery. Good lord what a bunch of pansies. ****ing hate this team right now.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
QUick math nerds, whats the worst pick we can get now?

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
http://gifatron.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/seinfeld_no_thanks.gif

LeafGm
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
The suckiest bunch of sucks who ever sucked.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
faggiest team that ever fagged.

#Disloyal #Traitor

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
8th.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
Collapse complete; 2-12-0 to finish the year. LOL

:facepalm

Bunch of losers.

CRL
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
QUick math nerds, whats the worst pick we can get now?

9

leafman101
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
Go Canucks.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:37 PM
http://assets2.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/nonis_canuicks640.jpg

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:38 PM
Can Randy and Nonis please. Start fresh under Shanny.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:38 PM
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/uW1KDJYC-R0/0.jpg

Killer93
04-12-2014, 10:38 PM
Man even 6-8-0 would have gotten them in. ****

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 10:38 PM
http://assets2.sportsnet.ca/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/nonis_canuicks640.jpg

Yup!

CRL
04-12-2014, 10:38 PM
finally this peace of shit team has been put out of its misery. Good lord what a bunch of pansies. ****ing hate this team right now.

but it didn't change since start of season except for Clarkson getting healthy

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:39 PM
LOL

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:39 PM
http://img.src.ca/2011/03/17/635x357/PC_110317_c3q7k_nicholson-nonis_sn635.jpg

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:40 PM
Someone go hardcore on a draft thread please. I need to drown my sorrows in scouting reports.

Killer93
04-12-2014, 10:40 PM
http://www.thehockeyreport.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/dave_nonis.jpg

http://mapleleafshotstove.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Randy_Carlyle_0410_NP-600x320.jpg

The dream team

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 10:40 PM
2-12-0
2-12-0
2-12-0
TWO-TWELVE-O ?

Epic collapse for a bunch of guys who are used to epic collapses.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:40 PM
http://storage.torontosun.com/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297527339349_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=420x

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 10:40 PM
Fitting end to this season.

This is going to be a very interesting press conference on Monday. Shanahan goes right into the shark tank of Toronto, that has eaten everyone alive before him for decades.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:41 PM
http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/sws_path/suns-prod-images/1297363297359_ORIGINAL.jpg?quality=80&size=650x

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:41 PM
Yea, where is that offseason thread? I want to see ideas for the offseason as i cry myself to sleep tonight.

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:42 PM
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7o9A8oh5-3_kTieKNc-KzUALU1pS17u08tsaQDOkFsMpAxGbP

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 10:42 PM
Fitting end to this season.

This is going to be a very interesting press conference on Monday. Shanahan goes right into the shark tank of Toronto, that has eaten everyone alive before him for decades

I suspect they may announce Randy's termination at the same time.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:43 PM
I don't think they're going to fire Nonis. Think we're gonna hear that Shanny's gonna "evaluate", and all this other BS.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
04-12-2014, 10:43 PM
http://thetyee.cachefly.net/Sports/2008/04/15/dave_b.png

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:43 PM
http://espngrantland.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/grant_a_whiteboard_sl_64011.jpeg?w=450

http://31.media.tumblr.com/acfb76ad446ebffe1bb288632c61884c/tumblr_n2plm5ShXD1qczqpio1_500.jpg

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:44 PM
http://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bj7zO-DIQAEcAtM.jpg:medium

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 10:45 PM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRf5O_3jxXcjK2S_D1xtmRkHRFkpcQno oBejQFYF30Sw5Ki0fs0

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:46 PM
http://wpmedia.sports.nationalpost.com/2012/10/carlylemarlies.jpg?w=620

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4zMDl1C4oZs/UPl1F134xjI/AAAAAAAABZo/9hAZ1UisKtM/s1600/defensive+zone+map+1.jpg

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 10:47 PM
http://storage.canoe.ca/v1/dynamic_resize/?src=http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Hockey/NHL/Toronto/2014/03/30/GULP650.jpg&size=650x366&quality=85

JohnnyHolmes
04-12-2014, 10:47 PM
Sens > Leafs.

Official.

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 10:48 PM
http://wpmedia.blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/11/13shanahan.jpg?w=630
http://www.mix97.com/morningcrew/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thumb-1.php_.jpeg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7LEa_qiq6gk/TnzAxKBHDwI/AAAAAAAACIY/G2iLFN3nt9o/s1600/0ca8b8444d9799ed7a925bedb7e0.jpg

Leafyblue
04-12-2014, 10:50 PM
Turnover after turnover.

More fitting than a waffle actually.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 10:51 PM
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTIsjsuN4YgUMWspDPYtu3jAF3tMBnpw Xgq3of3xJWuygM8pNF3
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRASSjL_yS2Qu6Ah01otOUwqygzygQa3 l4IweMpSQ2X5J_3sZyL

zeke
04-12-2014, 10:51 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BkyhuWGCEAAlhon.png:large

JohnnyHolmes
04-12-2014, 10:58 PM
http://wpmedia.blogs.windsorstar.com/2013/11/13shanahan.jpg?w=630
http://www.mix97.com/morningcrew/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/thumb-1.php_.jpeg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7LEa_qiq6gk/TnzAxKBHDwI/AAAAAAAACIY/G2iLFN3nt9o/s1600/0ca8b8444d9799ed7a925bedb7e0.jpg

Too bad he's not playing.

zeke
04-12-2014, 11:06 PM
Jonas Siegel @jonasTSN1050
James Reimer on tonight being perhaps his final game as a Leaf: "There definitely were some thoughts like that."


**** this team.

zeke
04-12-2014, 11:08 PM
Jonas Siegel @jonasTSN1050
Asked how he would feel if this were how it ended in Toronto, Reimer said: "Really sad."

**** THEM ALL

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 11:10 PM
hell hath no fury like a zekie scorned.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 11:10 PM
I'd have more sympathy for Reimer if he didn't shit the bed coming home.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 11:11 PM
I'd have more sympathy for Reimer if he didn't shit the bed coming home.

This. ****ing play better.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 11:12 PM
yeah, big shout out to Reimer for playing great in garbage time.

faggot.

Feyd
04-12-2014, 11:14 PM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 1m
Reimer on whether he'd like to return: "I don't know if I want to get into that."
See ya.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 11:14 PM
Jonas Siegel @jonasTSN1050
James Reimer on tonight being perhaps his final game as a Leaf: "There definitely were some thoughts like that."


**** this team.

GOOD!

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 11:15 PM
yeah, big shout out to Reimer for playing great in garbage time.

faggot.

+1.

Loser goalie.

Feyd
04-12-2014, 11:22 PM
I honestly don't understand the "he [Reimer] deserved to be treated better" sentiments being thrown around here and on Twitter, etc. He lost the job to Bernier because Bernier is the clear cut #1. Then he gets a shot to show what he's got and absolutely shits the bed during a vital stretch of games. This is pro sports. He got what he deserved.

zeke
04-12-2014, 11:23 PM
faggot organization.

does everything in their power to **** over the good gifts bestowed on them.

****'em.

zeke
04-12-2014, 11:27 PM
Chris Johnston @reporterchris
James Reimer clearly believes he's played his last game for the #leafs. “I was just trying to come in here and have a last memorable game."

Mark Masters @markhmasters
Reimer always felt he'd play entire career in TO: "thinking that may not be the case brings a lot of emotions ... just real unfortunate"

Jonas Siegel @jonasTSN1050
Reimer says he always dreamed of being the Leafs no. 1: "Just thinking that that might not be the case now it brings a lot of emotions."

gay ****ing faggot organization.

Feyd
04-12-2014, 11:28 PM
Boo ****ing hoo.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 11:29 PM
I dreamed of the playoffs James, but your 860 gave me sad emotions instead.

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 11:30 PM
the last person I am worried about is James freakin' Reimer. 2-12-0.

zeke
04-12-2014, 11:31 PM
Reimer, Kadri, Gardiner.....just shit all over the young talent we produced and who led us to success last year.

****ing fagpouchie organization.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 11:36 PM
Reimer's a big part of why we didn't make the playoffs.

mentally brittle, overplaying everything, rebound-giving faggot.

**** that guy.

Feyd
04-12-2014, 11:37 PM
Kadri is one of the laziest players on the team and gets all that he deserves in terms of shit, IMO.

Gardiner has been shaky defensively all year but I wouldn't say they've shit all over him. He's had some quality minutes.

Feyd
04-12-2014, 11:40 PM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 9m
Reimer on how he'll remember journey as a Leaf: "Wonderful. Just wonderful. I’m so blessed to be able to do what I do."
Where's your messiah now?

Wait, correction:

Where was he when Bernier went down?

Deckie007
04-12-2014, 11:42 PM
My thoughts on this season summed up:

http://i.imgur.com/zhksOQy.gif

CTheBigPicture
04-12-2014, 11:47 PM
looks like I missed this little factoid. The Leafs actually finish below Winnipeg because both teams have the exact same number of non-shootout wins and Winnipeg had the better head to head results. (Only ROW counts, not W's). Looks like the Leafs will pick 8th, or if Vancouver gets 3 out of 4 points, the Leafs will pick 7th.

Pronger84
04-13-2014, 12:02 AM
Reimer, Kadri, Gardiner.....just shit all over the young talent we produced and who led us to success last year.

****ing fagpouchie organization.

Over-reaction much there? Reimer was given equal oppurnity to win the #1 role over Bernier and he didnt', he was given a chance to re-take it when Bernier went down with an injury and he shat the bed. Kadri? He was given 2nd line minutes this season and despite playing with Clarkson he put up 50 points and was given the 5th highest ice time totals among forwards at 17:31 TOI/pg. As for Gardiner, he was pretty iffy there for the first half of the season but he's turned it up in the 2nd half and has a career high 31 points and has the 2nd highest ice time totals amongst the blueliners at 21:04 TOI/pg.

How exactly, have these guys been shit on?

zeke
04-13-2014, 12:02 AM
Chemmy @felixpotvin
When he gets traded for a prospect who didn't score in high school remember how long we went in between competent goalies.

Leafin'
04-13-2014, 12:07 AM
Chemmy @felixpotvin
When he gets traded for a prospect who didn't score in high school remember how long we went in between competent goalies.

FYI we have a legitimate #1 goalie for the first time since Belfour.

rated
04-13-2014, 12:10 AM
FYI we have a legitimate #1 goalie for the first time since Belfour.

yeah, but zeke just found out his favourite player might not be back next year

Leafyblue
04-13-2014, 12:15 AM
How exactly, have these guys been shit on?

All their names come up as trade bait for somebody "better"....pretty much every day.

Pronger84
04-13-2014, 12:17 AM
FYI we have a legitimate #1 goalie for the first time since Belfour.

To be fair, Reimer put up solid numbers in 2010-2011 and 2012-13, so it's not exactly like Bernier is the 1st legit goalie we have had since eddie.

Riemer
2010-11: 20-10-5; .921%, 2.60GAA
2012-12: 19-8-5; :924%, 2.46GAA

Bernier

2013-13: 26-19-7: .923% 2.68GAA

I wouldn't be so quick to go nuts on Bernier when Riemer put up numbers similar and then fell to pieces the seasons after.

Pronger84
04-13-2014, 12:19 AM
All their names come up as trade bait for somebody "better"....pretty much every day.

That's not shitting on them, its called if u want value u got to give up vaule... right now 2/3 hold value, the other isn't worth much.

CaptainBolduke
04-13-2014, 12:36 AM
To be fair, Reimer put up solid numbers in 2010-2011 and 2012-13, so it's not exactly like Bernier is the 1st legit goalie we have had since eddie.

Riemer
2010-11: 20-10-5; .921%, 2.60GAA
2012-12: 19-8-5; :924%, 2.46GAA

Bernier

2013-13: 26-19-7: .923% 2.68GAA

I wouldn't be so quick to go nuts on Bernier when Riemer put up numbers similar and then fell to pieces the seasons after.

A rational Leaf fan?

JackBurton
04-13-2014, 12:41 AM
Reimer let Bernier coming-in distract and destroy his season. he did not handle this well at all regardless of it being unfair.

Pronger84
04-13-2014, 01:03 AM
A rational Leaf fan?

Yup and thanks.

Pronger84
04-13-2014, 01:07 AM
Reimer let Bernier coming-in distract and destroy his season. he did not handle this well at all regardless of it being unfair.

Reimer is so mentally weak its laughable- Has a chance to take his team to the 2nd round and blows it, Bernier comes in this season and he wilts under the comptetion, has a chance to gain back his job but plays poorly.... funny now that the season is over NOW he decides to show up, what a mentally weak prick that he is.

I mean there's no denying he has the potential to be a #1. he's put up 2 decent seasons but **** me whenever it heats up he turns to ice... this guy does not have it in him to be a #1.

JohnnyHolmes
04-13-2014, 04:38 AM
Reimer is so mentally weak its laughable- Has a chance to take his team to the 2nd round and blows it, Bernier comes in this season and he wilts under the comptetion, has a chance to gain back his job but plays poorly.... funny now that the season is over NOW he decides to show up, what a mentally weak prick that he is.

I mean there's no denying he has the potential to be a #1. he's put up 2 decent seasons but **** me whenever it heats up he turns to ice... this guy does not have it in him to be a #1.

You guys saw him meltdown against Boston. You saw him lose his job this year.

Maybe he just doesn't have what it takes.

Toronto is one of the toughest markets for an athlete.