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soco22
04-12-2014, 09:45 PM
Will await hockeylover and co to fill in some scouting reports for our 7th-9th pick.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:48 PM
I can't believe I'm doing this instead of putting up a car flag.

I'll work on it.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:49 PM
ETA?

Artnes
04-12-2014, 09:49 PM
Don't get your hopes up because someone else will be choosing with it.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:50 PM
Brendan Perlini


[Future Considerations]
Perlini is a lethal combination of speed, puck skills, and hockey sense which allow him to make dynamic plays in all three zones. He plays a high puck possession game and thrives when the puck in on his stick. (October 2013)

Perlini has found chemistry with Toronto Maple Leafs prospect Carter Verhange and the two have been relied upon heavily so far this season for the young Niagara Ice Dog team. The speedy winger is not overly physical, but he has an ability to break games open, and when he scores, he scores in bunches. Perlini's defensive zone play and willingness to get the the dirty areas of the rink are areas for improvement.
Profile by Drew Lyon - Nov. 22nd


Brendan Perlini
Left Wing shoots Left
Born Apr 27 1996 Sault Ste. Marie, ONT
Height 6.03 Weight 205 [191 cm/93 kg]

Brendan Perlini is a very good skater, with excellent speed and acceleration. He couples this with very good agility to be deadly off the rush. He is extremely hard to stop one-on-one. Add to that the good balance and power to be able to fight through checks and you have a lot of offensive potential here.

In the offensive zone, Perlini possesses very good hockey sense, good creativity and excellent vision to be a dynamic playmaker with the puck on his stick. He has good stickhandling, and puck protection skills needed to extend plays and give his linemates time to get open. He is very good in the cycle game. Perlini has shown off a much improved shot and release this season, and this is the biggest change in his offensive game. He has a great wrist shot, and also has a very good one-timer. While Perlini has great height, he could stand to put on more muscle and play a more physical game going forward.

http://lastwordonsports.com/2014/04/10/2014-nhl-draft-profile-9-brendan-perlini/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6jLp1eoy_E

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:50 PM
Nonis is too conservative. We'll select. God willing 1st overall :)

zeke
04-12-2014, 09:52 PM
gimme top-10 PPG with speed and size.

Volcanologist
04-12-2014, 09:53 PM
Skill and hockey IQ. Always.

Killer93
04-12-2014, 09:53 PM
Have a strong feeling were dealing the 1st for an established player

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:54 PM
Wouldn't be opposed to that but sure hope they get it right with the player they choose.

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:55 PM
This season should teach management that we aren't close. Be mad if we trade, unless for that big #1 Center.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:55 PM
Don't get your hopes up because someone else will be choosing with it.

That'd be an interesting move. We damn well better be getting a true difference maker after suffering through this garbage season.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 09:57 PM
This season should teach management that we aren't close. Be mad if we trade, unless for that big #1 Center.

Any names?

I do not want a 30+ year old. It would reek of passed Leaf behavior.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 09:58 PM
Staal? 29.

LeafGm
04-12-2014, 09:58 PM
The NHL draft lottery is on April 29th.

Odds of winning:

7th - 4.7%
8th - 3.6%
9th - 2.7%

On the off-chance we get a miracle, what are the guys at the top of the draft like this year?

soco22
04-12-2014, 09:59 PM
I don't work in a front office, so dunno who would be available via trade other then rumour of stall

leafman101
04-12-2014, 10:01 PM
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On the off-chance we get a miracle, what are the guys at the top of the draft like this year?

No Tavares/Stamkos/Mackinnon. But there are 3 really good players with top line potential in Reinhart, Bennett, Ekblad. Drasaitl and Dal Colle might be in that group too.

We'd get our number 1 center.

TimHorton
04-12-2014, 10:01 PM
On the off-chance we get a miracle, what are the guys at the top of the draft like this year?

Ekblad is a legit monster.

hockeylover
04-12-2014, 10:02 PM
It kinda sounds like Bennett, Reinhart, Ekblad, Draisaitl, and Dal Colle will go in the top 5 and we'll be looking at guys like Perlini, Ehlers, Ritchie, Virtanen, Fleury, etc.

soco22
04-12-2014, 10:04 PM
Ekblad is a ****en beast. If we won, we would fill either our Center issue or top pairing issue.

leafman101
04-12-2014, 10:06 PM
Have to think they'll like Perlini, Virtanen, and Ritchie. If Burkie was still here it would be Virtanen for sure IMO.

It will be interesting to see how Shanahan changes the draft philosophy. I would take Ehlers. Should be able to get a good player at 8 either way though.

Leafin'
04-12-2014, 10:08 PM
Who do we give to Edmonton to move up if Ekblad is off the board?

1st: Ekblad
2nd: Reinhart
EDM: ????

soco22
04-13-2014, 09:02 AM
Looks like we will be picking 1st, 8th or 9th. ****en Canucks.

Montana
04-13-2014, 09:12 AM
Our 1st + Franson, moves us up how far?

soco22
04-13-2014, 09:32 AM
Our 1st + Franson, moves us up how far?

Lol, down 2 spots?

Habsy
04-13-2014, 10:55 AM
Probably cost you Gardiner to move up into the top 5 from the 8th slot.

MyNameIsJonas
04-13-2014, 10:56 AM
Edmonton did a fantastic job of giving themselves no chance at Ekblad with an illtimed winning streak.

Simply stupendous.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 11:21 AM
Probably cost you Gardiner to move up into the top 5 from the 8th slot.

7 to 5 is a 2nd and a 3rd.

LeafGm
04-13-2014, 11:24 AM
7 to 5 is a 2nd and a 3rd.
Yep, that's about right, although we can't get the 7th overall pick now with Vancouver losing to Edmonton last night. Best we can do is 8th.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 11:26 AM
Yep, that's about right, although we can't get the 7th overall pick now with Vancouver losing to Edmonton last night. Best we can do is 8th.
Yeah I know we can't get 7 but that's roughly the cost.

LeafGm
04-13-2014, 11:33 AM
Yeah I know we can't get 7 but that's roughly the cost.
Yup. And that was actually exactly the cost when the Leafs moved up from 7th to 5th to select Luke Schenn:

To Toronto:

5th overall pick

To New York Islanders:

7th overall pick
2nd round pick
3rd round pick

JackBurton
04-13-2014, 11:35 AM
And the Leafs ended up very lucky the Schenn situation in the end turned-out Ok. Despite not being very good,The players around him not not turn out too well, and they traded his-ass for a very good young player who is far, far better.

Habsy
04-13-2014, 11:56 AM
7 to 5 is a 2nd and a 3rd.

So basically Gardiner. Since he is worth about a 2nd and a 3rd.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 12:00 PM
So basically Gardiner. Since he is worth about a 2nd and a 3rd.

Can you find any precedence of a team trading a player like Gardiner for a few spots in the draft? I'm not sure there is any.

Habsy
04-13-2014, 12:03 PM
Draft picks are far more the norm for sure but the Leafs may look to move some of the D out that cost them the season. Of course they could always trade their 2nd and 3rd to move up then move Gardiner for a prospect and a 2nd to recoup the pick. It's the myriad of possibilities that makes me enjoy draft day.

Metalleaf
04-13-2014, 12:11 PM
Draft picks are far more the norm for sure but the Leafs may look to move some of the D out that cost them the season. Of course they could always trade their 2nd and 3rd to move up then move Gardiner for a prospect and a 2nd to recoup the pick. It's the myriad of possibilities that makes me enjoy draft day.

I'd rather keep Gardiner than completely waste an asset.

LeafGm
04-13-2014, 12:38 PM
So basically Gardiner. Since he is worth about a 2nd and a 3rd.
You should probably stop drinking in the morning.

Habsy
04-13-2014, 12:52 PM
You should realize your D isn't as good as you think it is.

Feel free to continue your homerism though. Thinking like that is what causes the Leafs to not improve. It's never their awesome all-star all-world players worth four firsts... each. It's the coach.

MyNameIsJonas
04-13-2014, 12:58 PM
If this draft is considered the "big 5" then it will cost a helluva lot more than a 2 or a 3 to convince a team to slide from 5 to 8. They might as well just take the really good player.

Metalleaf
04-13-2014, 01:23 PM
You should realize your D isn't as good as you think it is.

Feel free to continue your homerism though. Thinking like that is what causes the Leafs to not improve. It's never their awesome all-star all-world players worth four firsts... each. It's the coach.

Yeah but every time "other" fans tell us what our players are worth the results tend to be closer to the price we put on them than you guys do. Your attempts at being unbiased, still come off as biased.

Metalleaf
04-13-2014, 01:25 PM
"Silly Laffs fans, your players aren't worth anything, but here's a shiny penny and you should be thankful you get even that"

Bleedsblue&white
04-13-2014, 01:26 PM
You should realize your D isn't as good as you think it is.

Feel free to continue your homerism though. Thinking like that is what causes the Leafs to not improve. It's never their awesome all-star all-world players worth four firsts... each. It's the coach.

I'd like to see what happens when the Leafs D buys into a system. I think we have to rid of ourselves of at least some of the "brain-cramp-a-period," guys like Franson,(unfortunately we may not have the type of team to allow him to get better here), but I don't think the D is as bad as they looked.

If we keep all these guys and another coach gets the same effort I will concede your point Habsy, but not yet.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 01:26 PM
If this draft is considered the "big 5" then it will cost a helluva lot more than a 2 or a 3 to convince a team to slide from 5 to 8. They might as well just take the really good player.

Precedence suggests otherwise though.

MyNameIsJonas
04-13-2014, 01:29 PM
Precedence suggests otherwise though.

Not all drafts are created equal.

When there is a label of a big 5 or big 3, it takes a significant deal to get into said slot.

And more often that not those picks arent moved.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 01:31 PM
Not all drafts are created equal.

When there is a label of a big 5 or big 3, it takes a significant deal to get into said slot.

If the player the #5 team really wants is available at 5, then they probably won't be moving period. But if they're willing to move down, that's the going price.

Metalleaf
04-13-2014, 01:35 PM
Team's go off the board all the time, who is to say that Calgary really wants Michael Dal Colle, maybe they prefer Brendan Perlini.

Current mock has us with Ehlers. http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 01:36 PM
Team's go off the board all the time, who is to say that Calgary really wants Michael Dal Colle, maybe they prefer Brendan Perlini.

Current mock has us with Ehlers. http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Yup. The "label" that others have given this draft isn't the same for all teams. If they think their guy will still be there at 8, they'll move it. And we have a precedent for the going price if it's moved.

IrishWolfman
04-13-2014, 01:37 PM
Both Virtanen and Perlini could be available to us. I'd maybe move up if I knew I was getting Dal Colle or Draisaitl. But I wouldn't pay too big a price.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 01:39 PM
I think my preference is Perlini but there's definitely a few guys I'd be very happy with.

Irish, is there anyone you want us to stay away from?

Metalleaf
04-13-2014, 01:42 PM
Good number of big forwards where we are, I think they go with a C over a winger, so Virtanen could be their guy....if our scouting staff is the same.

Volcanologist
04-13-2014, 01:43 PM
You should realize your D isn't as good as you think it is.

Feel free to continue your homerism though. Thinking like that is what causes the Leafs to not improve. It's never their awesome all-star all-world players worth four firsts... each. It's the coach.

Keep on thinking Gardiner is worth a 2nd and a 3rd. that's ridiculous.

IrishWolfman
04-13-2014, 01:57 PM
I think my preference is Perlini but there's definitely a few guys I'd be very happy with.

Irish, is there anyone you want us to stay away from?

Adrian Kempe
Julius Honka
Alex Tuch
Haydn Fleury
Jared McCann

Two guys I go back and forth on are Ehlers and Ritchie.

But if we could land one of Perlini or Virtanen, I'd consider it a good draft. With Virtanen, all he does is score and he's goddamn miserable to play against.....plus he's one of the youngest players in the Draft.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 02:15 PM
CHL Forwards by PPG
Reinhart 1.75
Ehlers 1.65
Draisaitl 1.64
Bennett 1.60
Fabbri 1.50
Dal Colle 1.42
Barbashev 1.42
Goldobin 1.40
DeAngelo 1.39
Scherbak 1.28
Ho Sang 1.27
Perlini 1.22
Ritchie 1.21
Virtanen 1.00
McCann 0.97
Bleackley 0.96

Did this fast, hopefully didn't make any mistakes.

leafman101
04-13-2014, 02:20 PM
But if we could land one of Perlini or Virtanen, I'd consider it a good draft. With Virtanen, all he does is score and he's goddamn miserable to play against.....plus he's one of the youngest players in the Draft.

Yeah, to me Virtanen is the safest pick in that range. He is going to score 20+ goals in the NHL. He has a good wrister, a good slapper, I've seen him score a bunch on the backhand. He is just a natural goal scorer, and he is a beast out there physically.

Not a great playmaker though, so his upside is limited a bit, but he is a surefire 2nd line scoring, power winger IMO.

And Ritchie to me is a man playing against boys right now. He is a late 95, so already 18 and 6'3 220. When watching him I don't see much impressive that will translate to the next level. Too low upside for me to draft in the top 10 imo. Malone, Hartnell kind of guy at best.

Leafin'
04-13-2014, 02:50 PM
I want one of the Centers: Bennett, Draisaitl, or Reinhart.

We should be moving up to get one that falls to 5th.

Franson + 8th for Calgary 5th

Preston_Mizzi
04-13-2014, 04:06 PM
They're taking McCann or Fleury.

soco22
04-13-2014, 04:55 PM
Crazy buffalo could have the #1 and 4 picks

MindzEye
04-13-2014, 06:11 PM
They're taking McCann or Fleury.

Do you say this due to some sort of information, or just general despair?

Metalleaf
04-13-2014, 06:19 PM
I'm worried they take McCann he seems like a Leaf pick.

Leafin'
04-13-2014, 06:36 PM
Whats wrong with McCann?

Preston_Mizzi
04-13-2014, 07:12 PM
Do you say this due to some sort of information, or just general despair?
No information. Just a lot of talk about them needing character, grit, defense, all-around talent. A stay at home d and a gritty two way center is kind of right up that alley. I just can't see them going high-end talent at this point. Hopefully I'm wrong.

Volcanologist
04-13-2014, 07:18 PM
Let's see who's making that call first. We don't know that definitively right now, the draft is still a couple months away.

And also, even this scouting staff has made high-skill picks twice recently with selections in this range(5-10).

GEEMAN
04-13-2014, 07:34 PM
Team's go off the board all the time, who is to say that Calgary really wants Michael Dal Colle, maybe they prefer Brendan Perlini.

Current mock has us with Ehlers. http://www.mynhldraft.com/NHL-Mock-Draft/

Ehlers is a hell of a player if you ignore the size issue , skill and IQ .

IrishWolfman
04-13-2014, 07:38 PM
As I've said before, the one part of this organization I won't take issue with is our amateur scouting department. They've done a good job finding us talent. Thommie Bergmann might be the second best European scout in the League.

As to the players on offer at the 7th/8th pick. I'll offer this in advance of actually posting the whole draft review in a few weeks.

Brendon Perlini: Has the advantage of a lot of viewings from the Leafs scouting staff by virtue of playing with Carter Verhaeghe this year. Big kid, great skater, strong offensive upside. Could stand to play a more physical game. Uses his size to protect the puck well though.

Nikolaj Ehlers: A talented offensive player with skill. But I have trouble seeing him as the kind of player that drives a line's offence at the next level. I see a lot of Kristian Huselius in this kid. Talent and offensive skill but not gamebreaking. A good complimentary offensive player.

Jake Virtanen: A tough kid who does nothing but score. Good size, solid skater and an incredible nose for the net. There's a Keith Tkachuk streak to this kid

Nick Ritchie: Arguably the most frustrating big man in the draft. A ton of talent, but he spent two seasons playing like Dustin Penner and one season playing like Brendan Shanahan. You don't know what you're going to get from him and that's what scares me.

GEEMAN
04-13-2014, 07:44 PM
Keep on thinking Gardiner is worth a 2nd and a 3rd. that's ridiculous.

If thats what it takes to move up and get your guy do it and get your center. Gardiner is what he is , a puck mover who is weak in his own zone and struggles with physical forwards . Sure he may put up 40 points one year but Reilly is your star of the future not Jake . Unless you are prepared to give up the moon to get an established center or pay big bucks to overpay Stastny , Jake is easily expendable on your roster .

Habsy
04-13-2014, 07:50 PM
Yeah but every time "other" fans tell us what our players are worth the results tend to be closer to the price we put on them than you guys do. Your attempts at being unbiased, still come off as biased.

Except I have a track record of being right about player worth.

Volcanologist
04-13-2014, 07:54 PM
If thats what it takes to move up and get your guy do it and get your center. Gardiner is what he is , a puck mover who is weak in his own zone and struggles with physical forwards . Sure he may put up 40 points one year but Reilly is your star of the future not Jake . Unless you are prepared to give up the moon to get an established center or pay big bucks to overpay Stastny , Jake is easily expendable on your roster .

Sorry but Gardiner isn't a throw in to move up 3 spots. He's a more significant asset than that. Looking at the state of the farm system, I'm going to have to go ahead and say no, no he is not "easily expendable".

And Stastny is not even worth big bucks. not anymore. People need to stop bringing him up.

Habsy
04-13-2014, 07:57 PM
How about TJ Brodie? Is he a major piece?

Metalleaf
04-13-2014, 08:10 PM
Troy Bodie? Learn our players before you start making shit up.

TimHorton
04-13-2014, 08:11 PM
I hope he meant TJ Brennan, but who knows.

hockeylover
04-13-2014, 08:30 PM
Except I have a track record of being right about player worth.

Players like Gardiner are not traded to move up a few spots. I'm guessing you didn't find any examples?

Leafin'
04-13-2014, 08:34 PM
Brennan should've gotten a chance with the big club after the season he just had.

I wouldn't move Gardiner to move up 3 spots. He's not a great player, but still produced 30 points as a 24 year old. I'd move him in a bigger deal to get a more impact piece.

leafman101
04-13-2014, 08:36 PM
Id move gardiner to get bennett , rienhart, or draisaitl.

Leafin'
04-13-2014, 08:40 PM
Ekblad
Rienhart
Bennett
Draisaitl

5th: ???

That would suck.

leafman101
04-13-2014, 08:41 PM
Why would you do it before the pick?

Deckie007
04-13-2014, 08:42 PM
Trade it.

Leafin'
04-13-2014, 08:46 PM
Trade our pick this year?

Deckie007
04-13-2014, 08:58 PM
Yeah. I'd shop it really hard. See what it gets you.

Habsy
04-13-2014, 11:57 PM
Troy Bodie? Learn our players before you start making shit up.

Brodie is a comparable to Gardiner bubba. If Gardiner is worth more than a 2nd and 3rd then so is Brodie.

TJ...Calgary

Metalleaf
04-14-2014, 12:26 AM
Why would Calgary waste Brodie for a 2nd and 3rd?

Volcanologist
04-14-2014, 07:43 AM
Brodie is a comparable to Gardiner bubba. If Gardiner is worth more than a 2nd and 3rd then so is Brodie.

TJ...Calgary

okay? I really don't understand where you're going with this.

leafman101
04-14-2014, 08:13 AM
Why would Calgary trade Brodie for a 2 nd and 3rd?

LeafGm
04-14-2014, 10:26 AM
Why would Calgary trade Brodie for a 2 nd and 3rd?
They wouldn't, because you don't trade a good young defensemen to move up a couple of spots in the draft, or for a 2nd or 3rd round pick.

I guess Habsy likes providing supporting arguments against what he's arguing for some reason?

Habsy
04-14-2014, 11:31 AM
Why would Calgary waste Brodie for a 2nd and 3rd?

So now Brodie is worth a first + too?

Habsy
04-14-2014, 11:32 AM
okay? I really don't understand where you're going with this.

"What is why Leaf fans set themselves up for disappointment by overrating their players Alex".

Habsy
04-14-2014, 11:33 AM
You guys legitimately think your D is fine and that they're all worth a first +?

Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think each of your D is worth? Outside of Rielly and Phaneuf I really don't see any of them worth a first, let alone +.

hockeylover
04-14-2014, 11:36 AM
You guys legitimately think your D is fine and that they're all worth a first +?

Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think each of your D is worth? Outside of Rielly and Phaneuf I really don't see any of them worth a first, let alone +.

Not sure how you went from "It will cost Gardiner to move up a few spots" to this.

Habsy
04-14-2014, 11:39 AM
Extrapolation. People are claiming that I am nuts thinking Gardiner is "only" worth a 2nd and a 3rd.

I don't see any other D worth a first on the Leafs aside from Rielly and Phaneuf. Same with the Habs, I don't see any worth it besides Subban and Markov and Markov is borderline now because of age and no contract.

LeafGm
04-14-2014, 11:41 AM
Gardiner isn't on the same level as Rielly, but he's not too far off. Both are young, former 1st round picks with blue chip talent.

You don't trade players like that for mid-round draft picks. Ever.

hockeylover
04-14-2014, 11:43 AM
Extrapolation. People are claiming that I am nuts thinking Gardiner is "only" worth a 2nd and a 3rd.

I don't see any other D worth a first on the Leafs aside from Rielly and Phaneuf. Same with the Habs, I don't see any worth it besides Subban and Markov and Markov is borderline now because of age and no contract.

So... how did you get "all of your D are worth a 1st plus"?

TimHorton
04-14-2014, 11:43 AM
Making stuff up mostly.

Habsy
04-14-2014, 11:45 AM
So... how did you get "all of your D are worth a 1st plus"?

Hyperbole with a pinch of strawman silly.

Habsy
04-14-2014, 11:46 AM
Gardiner isn't on the same level as Rielly, but he's not too far off. Both are young, former 1st round picks with blue chip talent.

You don't trade players like that for mid-round draft picks. Ever.

A second and third are not "mid-round".

That being said, I wouldn't trade Gardiner for that either, not just yet anyway. All I am saying is that I doubt other GM's would pay more than that.

Volcanologist
04-14-2014, 11:47 AM
"What is why Leaf fans set themselves up for disappointment by overrating their players Alex".

Sorry, still not helping.

did you think TJ Brodie was maybe traded for a 2nd and 3rd? because that didn't happen as far as I'm aware.

otherwise, still lost here.

hockeylover
04-14-2014, 11:48 AM
Interesting to listen to everyone at that press conference today say that our drafting needs to be better. Wonder if Morrison and co are in trouble.

Regardless, this is a pretty big pick for our organization. Need to come out with an impact player.

Habsy
04-14-2014, 11:49 AM
Sorry, still not helping.

did you think TJ Brodie was maybe traded for a 2nd and 3rd? because that didn't happen as far as I'm aware.

otherwise, still lost here.

I was wondering if you genuinely thought a player like TJ Brodie was worth a first.

Volcanologist
04-14-2014, 11:52 AM
I was wondering if you genuinely thought a player like TJ Brodie was worth a first.

Probably. Worse players have certainly been moved for 1st round picks.

Volcanologist
04-14-2014, 11:53 AM
Interesting to listen to everyone at that press conference today say that our drafting needs to be better. Wonder if Morrison and co are in trouble.

Regardless, this is a pretty big pick for our organization. Need to come out with an impact player.

Music to my ears. Our drafting stinks, and so does our player development for that matter.

hockeylover
04-14-2014, 11:54 AM
Music to my ears. Our drafting stinks, and so does our player development for that matter.

Sucks to not have faith in your scouting staff in April when you have a top 10 pick in June.

Volcanologist
04-14-2014, 11:59 AM
Sucks to not have faith in your scouting staff in April when you have a top 10 pick in June.

It does, but I expect Shanny to move quickly here to have his own advisors in place. he'll have people he trusts when the call is made.

TimHorton
04-14-2014, 12:04 PM
I was wondering if you genuinely thought a player like TJ Brodie was worth a first

If Paul Gaustad is worth a first.........

worm
04-14-2014, 12:34 PM
Troy Bodie? Learn our players before you start making shit up.

I assume he means the flame.

Was probably Calgary's second best dman this year.

worm
04-14-2014, 12:36 PM
Interesting to listen to everyone at that press conference today say that our drafting needs to be better. Wonder if Morrison and co are in trouble.

Regardless, this is a pretty big pick for our organization. Need to come out with an impact player.

Well if it was him and not Burke/Nonis recommending Biggs....then probably not safe.

Really the leafs should have the best scouting staff money can buy.

CH1
04-14-2014, 12:40 PM
Well if it was him and not Burke/Nonis recommending Biggs....then probably not safe.

Really the leafs should have the best scouting staff money can buy.

Trade them Timmins for Morgan Reilly and a first rounder.

hockeylover
04-14-2014, 12:50 PM
You guys have your very own Biggs.

CH1
04-14-2014, 12:51 PM
You guys have your very own Biggs.

Against Timmins wishes. #freetimmins

worm
04-14-2014, 01:03 PM
You guys have your very own Biggs.

But he was almost a PPG in the playoffs!!!!!

Ugh.

hockeylover
04-14-2014, 01:09 PM
0.56...

Ouch.

worm
04-14-2014, 01:18 PM
0.56...

Ouch.

but but but he is only 18....he can still score 20 goals in the NHL!

but seriously he could be a moen (he sucked in the CHL as well) ..... not a bad player to pick in the 4th round


do not forget we also have tinordi (who i am actually less upset about - if we didnt trade up to draft him)

MindzEye
04-14-2014, 02:57 PM
Trade them Timmins for Morgan Reilly and a first rounder.

But the idea would be for us to have good scouting, no?

worm
04-14-2014, 04:14 PM
But the idea would be for us to have good scouting, no?

timmins is awesome outside the first round and terrible in it.....so that is why you do not need yours anymore

seems fair

CH1
04-14-2014, 04:23 PM
But the idea would be for us to have good scouting, no?

In all seriousness, scouting is a place where most teams still rely on luck/connections to hire their staff. The pay is pretty low considering how much of an impact you have on a billion dollar business. Maybe things have changed in the last 10-15 years but when I worked on the sports beat, most of the scouts I talked to were barely literate and all they had was platitudes like "his windup reminds me of Doc Gooden's" blah blah blah.

There has been some innovation (ie Moneyball) but until the salaries are better, teams will be stuck largely with vocational foot soldiers with no other options.

Volcanologist
04-14-2014, 04:35 PM
yeah, why the Leafs don't just go headhunt the top 6-8 scouts and player personnel people is beyond me. Just offer them 3 times what they're getting now, it's an absolute pittance for a team like this.

CH1
04-14-2014, 04:42 PM
yeah, why the Leafs don't just go headhunt the top 6-8 scouts and player personnel people is beyond me. Just offer them 3 times what they're getting now, it's an absolute pittance for a team like this.

I've thought the same thing about the Habs. I would go even further if I was Habs owner -- since language seems to be an issue when it comes to Habs staffing, I would start a Hockey Academy where I pluck some pretty smart university graduates, train them and promote the best of the bunch to the CH as support staff (asst GMs, asst capologist, minor league coaches). The Habs would never have to scramble for one of three available french dudes when they have to fire someone.

However, I realize that hockey is a pretty conservative business where nobody does anything new unless someone else happens to stumble upon something first.

Leafin'
04-14-2014, 09:22 PM
If by some miracle we win the lottery tomorrow, who do we pick?

Metalleaf
04-14-2014, 09:36 PM
Reinhart

soco22
04-14-2014, 09:40 PM
Hold it hostage and get a shitload from oilers do they can get ekblad

Metalleaf
04-14-2014, 09:44 PM
Kind of want the Ducks to win the draft.

WellPlayed
04-14-2014, 09:59 PM
We all know this shit is rigged. Shanny worked for the NHL for a few years at the shittiest job in hockey. Gary owes him a favour. Also friends with Lou. We got this.

TimHorton
04-14-2014, 09:59 PM
If we do win the draft take Ekblad and run.

leafman101
04-14-2014, 10:00 PM
Reinhart

Metalleaf
04-14-2014, 10:03 PM
If we had first overall, I'd go with the C, unless our scouts really like Ekblad.

TimHorton
04-14-2014, 10:05 PM
at #1 you take the very best player there is, and that be Ekblad.

leafman101
04-14-2014, 10:10 PM
IMO its not that cut and dry. Bennett, Ekblad and Reinhart are building blocks. I think between the three you can go with what you need. Its pretty close.

TimHorton
04-14-2014, 10:12 PM
See for me I think Ekblad is a legit #1, followed by Bennett/Reinhart. I don't think you go wrong with any of the 3, but if I get first dibs I prefer Ekblad.

soco22
04-14-2014, 10:16 PM
I really think you could get a mega package from a desperate oiler club for whoever holds that first spot.

Lot of forwards at the top of the draft, they could go all out for ekblad

Leafin'
04-14-2014, 10:48 PM
The more i read about Sam Bennett, the more i like.

A Gilmour reincarnated?

worm
04-15-2014, 11:46 AM
at #1 you take the very best player there is, and that be Ekblad.

im not so sure

but i am biased as i get to see reinhart play

JaysCyYoung
04-15-2014, 11:53 AM
Ekblad is definitely the best player available in the draft.

LeafGm
04-15-2014, 02:10 PM
Draft lottery simulator (http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=714502)

Only took about 20 tries for the Leafs to win it!

trujaysfan
04-15-2014, 02:13 PM
Draft lottery simulator (http://oilers.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=714502)

Only took about 20 tries for the Leafs to win it!

1st refresh got it for me... not going to hold my breath but would be nice to actually win something.

rated
04-15-2014, 02:26 PM
I got Toronto at 8 every time lol

Artnes
04-15-2014, 02:29 PM
7 tries to get first. Buffalo and Florida every other time.

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 02:31 PM
I got Calgary once, Toronto once, and Anaheim once.

MindzEye
04-15-2014, 02:36 PM
Took me 110 ****ing clicks...

I'm not even going to watch it on TV...**** it. I think our best chance is if I completely ignore that it's happening.

BG
04-15-2014, 02:48 PM
We need some good mojo in the thread, to overcome the odds.

Rumpleforeskin
04-15-2014, 03:40 PM
I've lost count, but the Jets have won 3 times already. Leafs 0

edit
Jets 4, Ducks 1, Leafs 0 :banghead:

TimHorton
04-15-2014, 03:57 PM
Took me about 15 times, including losing to PHX and Winnipeg.

worm
04-15-2014, 04:35 PM
welcome to oil change

Habspatrol
04-15-2014, 04:55 PM
I definitely think Ekblad is best player in the draft.

IrishWolfman
04-15-2014, 05:28 PM
I definitely think Ekblad is best player in the draft.

Hell to the yeah

JaysCyYoung
04-15-2014, 07:19 PM
Chris Pronger clone.

hockeylover
04-15-2014, 08:12 PM
It's official. We draft 8th.

hockeylover
04-15-2014, 08:12 PM
Watch Edmonton win again.

axlsalinger
04-15-2014, 08:14 PM
Panthers # 1.

Bleedsblue&white
04-15-2014, 08:14 PM
Top ten pick makes things fun I guess.

Volcanologist
04-15-2014, 08:15 PM
Florida wins

Bleedsblue&white
04-15-2014, 08:17 PM
So, who thinks the Leafs will try to lose a player or two and try to move up...or could we even get rid of something and move down?

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 08:18 PM
Buffalo got ****ed

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 08:19 PM
Edmonton's pick might be up for grabs now that they have no shot at Ekblad.

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 09:26 PM
TSN's Top 12

1. Ekblad
2. Reinhart
3. Bennett
4. Draisaitl
5. Dal Colle
6. Ritchie
7. Ehlers
8. Virtanen
9. Kapanen
10. Fleury
11. Perlini
12. Nylander

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=449462

Leafin'
04-15-2014, 09:31 PM
Gardiner + 8th for 3rd.

Pronger84
04-15-2014, 09:34 PM
Gardiner + 8th for 3rd.

Is there a certain player u see in 3rd? To be there's nothing stand-outish about this draft outside of Ekblad, he's the only guy i'd try to trade up for.

I'd rather draft where we are at 8th, and use Gardiner as trade bait to land a 1C or upgrade on defense.

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 09:36 PM
I dunno, you live in Kingston, you should have heard of Sam Bennett.

leafman101
04-15-2014, 09:40 PM
Would be great to get into that top 5.

Pronger84
04-15-2014, 09:40 PM
I dunno, you live in Kingston, you should have heard of Sam Bennett.

I've heard of him, and seen him play before. He's got potential to be a decent NHL'er, but I don't think he's gonna be elite either. The only guy I feel who's gonna be anything special is Ekblad, that's the guy the Leafs should make a pitch for with Florida, don't know what they would want... but worth a shot.

Hoss
04-15-2014, 09:40 PM
Those comments by randy about gardiner make me think two things. 1. Was Randy trying to throw some of the blame on gardiner to get his ass traded. Or will this endear Gardiner to the brain trust. ( some one who believes in his ability and didn't care what randy had to say.

We shall see. If he is used in a package to move up we'll have our answer

Metalleaf
04-15-2014, 09:41 PM
Another trade with the Isles? Franson + 8th for 5th...draft Draisaitl or Dal Colle?

Pronger84
04-15-2014, 09:42 PM
Another trade with the Isles? Franson + 8th for 5th...draft Draisaitl or Dal Colle?

Thats' assuming Isles keep their pick this year.

soco22
04-15-2014, 09:42 PM
Would be surprised to see isles not give pick to sabres this year...they could easily be sitting at Rogers draft show next year for a stronger draft at the top

Pronger84
04-15-2014, 09:43 PM
Those comments by randy about gardiner make me think two things. 1. Was Randy trying to throw some of the blame on gardiner to get his ass traded. Or will this endear Gardiner to the brain trust. ( some one who believes in his ability and didn't care what randy had to say.

We shall see. If he is used in a package to move up we'll have our answer

Randy is an old goat who will throw his players under the bus, note how he never once took any accountability for this teams embarassing season? Look at Torts, say what you want about the guy but he owned his part in Vancouver missing the playoff and did so without chucking shade at his team.

LeafOfFaith
04-15-2014, 09:44 PM
Why not Franson and maybe a prospect or two plus 8th for 3rd?

Leafin'
04-15-2014, 10:10 PM
I'd leave that to the scouting staff to decide. If they feel that Bennett or Reinhart or Draisaitl will be legit top end centers, make the move.

Gardiners hot streak came at a good time. Could be a good time to sell high on a player.

Habsy
04-16-2014, 12:23 AM
Buffalo got ****ed

Florida got ****ed last year. It evens out.

Habspatrol
04-16-2014, 11:20 AM
Not for Buffalo it doesn't. It evened out for Florida though.

Habspatrol
04-16-2014, 11:21 AM
Which makes for an interesting question... would you rather have:

Barkov and Ekblad

or

MacKinnon and Reinhart

rated
04-16-2014, 11:23 AM
Why not Franson and maybe a prospect or two plus 8th for 3rd?

Franson sucks and is not worth a 3rd. They will want Kadri or Gardiner + prospect + 8th for 3rd.

MyNameIsJonas
04-16-2014, 11:25 AM
Franson sucks and is not worth a 3rd. They will want Kadri or Gardiner + prospect + 8th for 3rd.

this.

leafman101
04-16-2014, 11:25 AM
Which makes for an interesting question... would you rather have:

Barkov and Ekblad

or

MacKinnon and Reinhart

MacKinnon and whoever.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:38 AM
Franson sucks and is not worth a 3rd. They will want Kadri or Gardiner + prospect + 8th for 3rd.

When was the last time a price like that was paid to move up in a draft that has maybe 1 or 2 really good players? I'll wait.

rated
04-16-2014, 11:41 AM
When was the last time a price like that was paid to move up in a draft that has maybe 1 or 2 really good players? I'll wait.

Yeah I know, but if what I said wont do it there's no way in hell ****ing Franson is going to get it done.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:42 AM
Nice way to avoid what I asked.

rated
04-16-2014, 11:43 AM
I'm not avoiding it I know it hasnt been done lol I wasn't trying to say my suggestion would be what it takes to get done, i was more so pointing to LoF that his idea is silly and not plausible. (and neither is mine)

Franson isn't getting you nothing but a headache.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 11:43 AM
Buffalo got ****ed

To be fair, how many times has Florida ended up with the third pick when they could have been picking first?

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 11:44 AM
As HP said, worked out for them...but Buffalo still got f***ed

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 11:45 AM
I've heard of him, and seen him play before. He's got potential to be a decent NHL'er, but I don't think he's gonna be elite either. The only guy I feel who's gonna be anything special is Ekblad, that's the guy the Leafs should make a pitch for with Florida, don't know what they would want... but worth a shot.

Bennett is hands down the best prospect that the Frontenacs have ever had (due partially to no one wanting to play there). Legitimate franchise centre potential.

There's a reason CSS has him #1.

Volcanologist
04-16-2014, 11:45 AM
they did but at least its Florida and not Vancouver or something.

LeafGm
04-16-2014, 11:46 AM
A big "meh" to Buffalo's plight from me. Frankly, I think they should take the draft lottery a step farther, and give all 14 non-playoff teams an equal shot at the top pick. Take all the incentive and reward away from being a pitiful team.

Habspatrol
04-16-2014, 11:49 AM
MacKinnon and whoever.

I think you are probably right cause MacKinnon could be a top 3 elite player. However, I believe Ekblad has the potential to be the most dominant dman in the league someday... but that's far from a guarantee.

Wayward DP
04-16-2014, 11:49 AM
I'd like to take a moment to bitch about the Devils not losing their pick this year.

Looking back, the only conceivable reason Lou didn't forfeit the pick after they made the Cup finals was he knew (or suspected, or hoped) that the ruling would be softened.

Even when the Devils break the rules they get off relatively scot free. ****ers.

LeafGm
04-16-2014, 11:53 AM
I'd like to take a moment to bitch about the Devils not losing their pick this year.

Looking back, the only conceivable reason Lou didn't forfeit the pick after they made the Cup finals was he knew (or suspected, or hoped) that the ruling would be softened.

Even when the Devils break the rules they get off relatively scot free. ****ers.
Absolutely. There is no logical defense of New Jersey keeping that 29th pick, unless Lamoriello knew all along that he'd wouldn't have to forfeit a first round pick.

Godfather Lou is Bettman's daddy, there's no doubt at all.

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 11:53 AM
A big "meh" to Buffalo's plight from me. Frankly, I think they should take the draft lottery a step farther, and give all 14 non-playoff teams an equal shot at the top pick. Take all the incentive and reward away from being a pitiful team.

In truth, when you think about it, missing the playoffs is an equally grave consequence for all non-playoff teams. So why should a team with a few less wins than another playoff team be gifted a much better talent when both are already being equally punished?

rated
04-16-2014, 11:59 AM
they get off relatively scot free. ****ers.

Not completely scot free. Didn't say they last night the Devils could not draft first and were stuck drafting 30th no matter what ? Still bull shit though

LeafGm
04-16-2014, 12:00 PM
In truth, when you think about it, missing the playoffs is an equally grave consequence for all non-playoff teams. So why should a team with a few less wins than another playoff team be gifted a much better talent when both are already being equally punished?
Agreed. I think there's also an inherent problem in guaranteeing that your best young talent always goes to the worst organizations in the league. How many ridiculously talented young hockey players have a shit-show organization like the Islanders ruined? What kind of careers would those players have instead if they'd gone to an organization like Detroit or New Jersey?

Finishing out of the dance should only get you one ticket to the draft lottery, just like everyone else. Take the names of all 14 draft lottery teams, throw them into a hat and then draw them out one-by-one to determine who gets the #1 pick, and the entire order of selection. Then you get the top, high-end talent getting spread around more equitably, and maybe a joke franchise like the Oilers will actually start putting some time, money and effort into their scouting, player development and their NHL team instead of just happily accepting the top-rated 18 year-old hockey player in the world every year.

Wayward DP
04-16-2014, 12:04 PM
Not completely scot free. Didn't say they last night the Devils could not draft first and were stuck drafting 30th no matter what ? Still bull shit though

Not completely, no. Why I used the word "relatively". Instead of forfeiting a first round pick, they were bumped down from the middle of the round to the end. Still, not much more than a slap on the wrist.

Cojo
04-16-2014, 12:11 PM
A big "meh" to Buffalo's plight from me. Frankly, I think they should take the draft lottery a step farther, and give all 14 non-playoff teams an equal shot at the top pick. Take all the incentive and reward away from being a pitiful team.

This is a fabulous idea.

Not sure it ever flies, but its an excellent way to stop 'tanking'

JaysCyYoung
04-16-2014, 12:12 PM
It would also make the draft lottery significantly more interesting, which can only be good for the league.

The NHL has got to be the only league around that goes out of its way to give its shittiest markets the top talent. Do you think the NBA would be happy if its best college prospects were always ending up with crappy small-market teams?

No.

Instead you have Iverson to Philly, Ewing to New York, Jordan to Chicago, Duncan to San Antonio, etc.

worm
04-16-2014, 06:09 PM
NHL wants parity for some reason.

Blueman
04-16-2014, 06:20 PM
so which of the top 5 players after Ekblad will be better than Gardiner?

Wondering why people want to trade the 8th and Gardiner for one of them..

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 08:53 PM
so which of the top 5 players after Ekblad will be better than Gardiner?

Wondering why people want to trade the 8th and Gardiner for one of them..

I'd take the chance that any of Bennett, Reinhart or Draisaitl will be better than Gardiner.

IrishWolfman
04-16-2014, 09:06 PM
The question you have to ask is: is the difference between Sam Bennett/Leon Draisaitl and Brandon Perlini/Jake Virtanen, actually equal to Jake Gardiner?

If all the prospects were centres or if they were all wingers, would you consider Gardiner to be worth the difference in their skill levels?

Personally, when I take a look at where Draisaitl (one of the oldest players in the Draft - Oct '95) was last year and where Virtanen (Aug '96) was this year, I don't see enough difference to justify trading Gardiner.

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 09:15 PM
To be honest, i want one of Bennett or Reinhart. And i think either of those is better than both Gardiner and whoever the 8th pick is.

MindzEye
04-16-2014, 09:18 PM
This is a weird draft. There's a pile of kids with a flaw or two, but that light the scoreboard up in the type of way that you would expect from the type of 6-20 picks that have turned into studs in other drafts. Outside of Ekblad, I don't know if there's a prospect here that I give up the 8 and Jake Gardiner for.

Shit, I'd rather look at the scenario one of the guys brought up a few days ago and flip the 8 to Anaheim for the 10 & 20-whatever pick they have. I'd rather have Gardiner + Virtanen + Goldobin/Ho Sang/whichever of the high scoring, high skill kids who slips through the cracks, than one of the 3-5 guys.

Pronger84
04-16-2014, 09:36 PM
To be honest, i want one of Bennett or Reinhart. And i think either of those is better than both Gardiner and whoever the 8th pick is.

You can't compare a centre to a defencmen, it's like comparing fruits to vegetables. I've said this before the only stud in the draft is Ekblad, outside of that their decent but nothing special players I sure as hell wouldn't give up Gardiner and our 8th to land one.

I'd rather use Gardiner and package him off to land a much needed piece to this puzzle, as for the 8th keep it, the Leafs need to learn to draft homegrown talent due to elite players rarely being available and the free agent signings over the past several years being highly questionable at best, down right horrid at worst.

LeafOfFaith
04-16-2014, 09:40 PM
I wouldn't trade Gardiner for almost anything right now. That kid still has the chance to be something really special.

I'd still prefer to trade into the top 3-4, but if too costly, I'd be down for trading the pick to Anaheim for two 1sts.

Pronger84
04-16-2014, 09:41 PM
If we were to go after a 1C like a Staal, I'd have no beef giving up Gardiner... but then again I'm not infatuated by any player on this team, I tend to look at the bigger picture.

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 10:03 PM
It's funny how a hot streak changes the perception of a player. I don't care enough to go back on posts from before the Olympics, but i recall people ready to give him up for next to nothing.

I do think he has some great tools, but his defensive lapses make me want to throw a brick at my TV. I'd move him while he is hot, sell high.

If we can move into top-3, i think we strongly consider it.

leafman101
04-16-2014, 10:09 PM
Yeah, you make that trade for the top 3 picks. Ekblad is way better than Gardiner and Reinhart and Bennett are legit first line center prospects. Drasaitl and Dal Colle are more difficult decisions. Though we have the benefit of Draisaitl's "post draft" 18 year old season and its pretty impressive.

Volcanologist
04-16-2014, 10:10 PM
Might be a good draft to trade down and get an extra pick. especially because we have no second or third.

Pronger84
04-16-2014, 10:11 PM
Might be a good draft to trade down and get an extra pick. especially because we have no second or third.

I'd rather trade down, then trade up for the 2nd or 3rd spot... there just isn't enough there to pull the trigger.

Pronger84
04-16-2014, 10:12 PM
Yeah, you make that trade for the top 3 picks. Ekblad is way better than Gardiner and Reinhart and Bennett are legit first line center prospects. Drasaitl and Dal Colle are more difficult decisions. Though we have the benefit of Draisaitl's "post draft" 18 year old season and its pretty impressive.

Well... currently Gardiner is better currently but yea I get what your saying, kid has all the potential in the world to be a stud, that's the ONLY guy I would trade up to get in the draft, other then that forgetta about it.

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 10:27 PM
Ekblad Reinhart Bennett Draisaitl, anyone of those.

MyNameIsJonas
04-16-2014, 10:32 PM
Well... currently Gardiner is better currently but yea I get what your saying, kid has all the potential in the world to be a stud, that's the ONLY guy I would trade up to get in the draft, other then that forgetta about it.

What do you actually know about this draft class?

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 10:34 PM
None of them have NHL experience and drafting them will make them cocky and make them think their shit don't stink.

Leafin'
04-16-2014, 10:34 PM
Nothing besides the online "scouts" version of innie mini myni mo.

Like the rest on this board.

Pronger84
04-16-2014, 10:36 PM
What do you actually know about this draft class?

I know a lot more about it then u think I do... also I've had the luxary to watch Bennet play before as well.

Metalleaf
04-16-2014, 10:36 PM
Jays, Wolfman, and HL have probably spent a bit of time researching these players...so not everyone is completely uninformed.

Artnes
04-17-2014, 09:35 AM
BKerr and Legoalie are others as well. Lots of good insight here on draft eligible players.

I see Ekblad ahead of the pack in this class. Not by a large margin but he is the bpa. Any team would have a hard time convincing themselves not to take this guy

IrishWolfman
04-17-2014, 09:54 AM
Ekblad is notably ahead of the others.

I'd say that the next tier of Reinhart, Bennett, Dal Colle and Draisaitl are pretty well interchangeable.

But I don't think there's much of a gap between them and Perlini, Ehlers, Virtanen and Kapanen.

In fact, it's easy for me to see that Virtanen and Ehlers could be considered prospects of similar value by next December. Perlini could as well if he played just a tad more physical.

Habspatrol
04-17-2014, 10:33 AM
Ehlers is a wild card to me. Looking back on the draft he'll likely be viewed as a bust and an incredible value. Is he this awesome because he plays with Drouin and should be a 20-30 pick? Or is he just this awesome and should go in the 5-8 range?

IrishWolfman
04-17-2014, 10:38 AM
Ehlers is a wild card to me. Looking back on the draft he'll likely be viewed as a bust and an incredible value. Is he this awesome because he plays with Drouin and should be a 20-30 pick? Or is he just this awesome and should go in the 5-8 range?

The kid's got hands and he's a pretty good skater. Even playing with Johnny Drouin, you don't score 49 goals unless you've got some real skill.

He could go anywhere from 8-20, but I don't think he'll hang around much longer than that.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 10:39 AM
The biggest question with Ehlers is that he is 160 pounds, not his skill IMO.

None of the following prospects are anywhere near as well rounded as Reinhart or Bennett. Big gap there imo. Dal Colle and Draisaitl is where there can be more debate.

Habspatrol
04-17-2014, 10:43 AM
The kid's got hands and he's a pretty good skater. Even playing with Johnny Drouin, you don't score 49 goals unless you've got some real skill.

He could go anywhere from 8-20, but I don't think he'll hang around much longer than that.

By no means was I questioning if he was good or not... I even said 20-30 as a worst case if you believe that Drouin was responsible for a lot of his success.

I'd be ecstatic if the Habs ended up with Ehlers.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 10:48 AM
Ehlers strikes me as a kid that if he slips out of the top 10, there will be a couple GM's in enough love with him to pay a hefty price to move up to get him.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 11:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR-F14cK1Y

And this guy is going to be a stud. He is big, fast, can protect the puck, can score, can make plays. If you can get yourself into a position to draft him you do it.

Habspatrol
04-17-2014, 11:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VkR-F14cK1Y

And this guy is going to be a stud. He is big, fast, can protect the puck, can score, can make plays. If you can get yourself into a position to draft him you do it.

A buddy of mine here in Saskatchewan has been to see him a few times in PA and says he looks lazy. He does acknowledge that it's a small sample size though. He's a huge Sabres fan and definitely doesn't want Draisaitl at #2... but would be okay with getting him at #5 if the have the Isles pick.

Not that my buddy is the be all end all on prospects or anything. Just thought it was interesting.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 11:37 AM
Everyone always says that about those big guys, with the long stride and reach. They look lazy.

He shouldn't want him at #2 though. Ekblad, Reinhart and Bennett are all better prospects.

Habspatrol
04-17-2014, 11:40 AM
Well he's not that big though. He's thick but he's only 6'1... but at 18 years old 6'1 209 is pretty beastly. But there's not the big stride and reach.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 11:44 AM
There is definitely the long stride and reach. Just watch those highlights. Its evident. It makes him look lazy.

Leafin'
04-17-2014, 11:52 AM
Yea his skating is awkward. I'm not sure if he'll be able to shield the puck as well when he's facing off against players his size. He's got long legs.

Still a good prospect.

Habspatrol
04-17-2014, 11:55 AM
There is definitely the long stride and reach. Just watch those highlights. Its evident. It makes him look lazy.

Okay I see what you mean.

By no means was I calling him lazy though. I've never even seen him play.

Habspatrol
04-17-2014, 11:56 AM
Yea his skating is awkward. I'm not sure if he'll be able to shield the puck as well when he's facing off against players his size. He's got long legs.

Still a good prospect.

Yeah I always have that fear with these guys who can out muscle everyone in juniors. There's definitely going to be a big adjustment.

Artnes
04-17-2014, 11:57 AM
I'd be happy taking Ritchie.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 11:58 AM
i get the sense Burke would fall in love with Leon.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 11:58 AM
The Oiler pick IMO is the wildcard, they could do anything.

Artnes
04-17-2014, 12:01 PM
Unless Ekblad falls to 3rd you have to move that. Drafting another forward who is 2-3 years away from even getting a sniff in the lineup is not the answer.

They need a top pairing guy in a bad way

mbow30
04-17-2014, 12:03 PM
Draistatl needs to bend his knees and skate with less of a hunch. He's strong and has good speed for a bad skater, but he's still a pretty bad skater. Looks to me to be somewhere on the Stastny-Hodgson spectrum. Lacking high end speed and size, but strong on the puck and with great hockey sense/hands.

If his skating can improve, though, he could be better.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 12:04 PM
Unless Ekblad falls to 3rd you have to move that. Drafting another forward who is 2-3 years away from even getting a sniff in the lineup is not the answer.

They need a top pairing guy in a bad way

Something tells me Lowe and co try to move it but set the price way way way too high and end up drafting Bennett/Reinhart

Habspatrol
04-17-2014, 12:06 PM
Unless Ekblad falls to 3rd you have to move that. Drafting another forward who is 2-3 years away from even getting a sniff in the lineup is not the answer.

They need a top pairing guy in a bad way

No way Buffalo passes on Ekblad at #2... but Edmonton should try to get Ekblad somehow. I wonder what they'd need to add to move up.

MyNameIsJonas
04-17-2014, 12:07 PM
I can guarantee Tallon would need to be overwelmed to pass on Ekblad.

That team is chalk full on young forwards.

UWHabs
04-17-2014, 12:08 PM
Unless Ekblad falls to 3rd you have to move that. Drafting another forward who is 2-3 years away from even getting a sniff in the lineup is not the answer.

They need a top pairing guy in a bad way

Think they might do something like Pick 3 for Myers and a 2nd? I'm not sure what top pair D would be available to trade away, even if they were dangling the 3rd overall pick.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 12:32 PM
Draistatl needs to bend his knees and skate with less of a hunch. He's strong and has good speed for a bad skater, but he's still a pretty bad skater. Looks to me to be somewhere on the Stastny-Hodgson spectrum. Lacking high end speed and size, but strong on the puck and with great hockey sense/hands.

If his skating can improve, though, he could be better.

Except Hodgson and Stastny weren't 210 at 18. They still aren't.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 12:35 PM
Teams don't like taking dmen early. Thats why Jones fell last year. They take longer to develop and as a result are less projectable. Wouldn't be the most surprising thing in the world if Ekblad fell into the Oilers laps.

You have to think the Panthers will take him though given their depth of young talent up front.

mbow30
04-17-2014, 12:35 PM
stastny's pretty close and has been since he entered the league.

not sure how much weight draistatl could add without sacrificing speed.

BG
04-17-2014, 01:39 PM
Florida taking Ekblad just makes way too much sense.

Oilers need to consider moving this pick and/or taking the best available player and moving other assets to shore up their team.

leafman101
04-17-2014, 01:42 PM
U18s start today. Virtanen with 2 goals in Canada's first game against Sweden already.

Virtanen, Fleury, McCann, Perlini, Pastrnek, Kapanen, Nylander all guys projected to go in the 8 range that are playing.

worm
04-17-2014, 04:38 PM
Unless Ekblad falls to 3rd you have to move that. Drafting another forward who is 2-3 years away from even getting a sniff in the lineup is not the answer.

They need a top pairing guy in a bad way

they still need a top line centre

if i am them i take a top centre (if i can) and trade any of the non Hall young guys for something more needed (ie: defense)

Artnes
04-17-2014, 04:43 PM
Are any of the guys going to be better then Nuge?

If not flip the pick with one of the wingers plus another prospect to get that D they desperately need.

rated
04-17-2014, 07:08 PM
Edmonton still needs everything. Draft the best player for them imo

Metalleaf
04-17-2014, 07:10 PM
If they still need everything why take one asset when you can trade it for multiple assets?

CH1
04-17-2014, 07:12 PM
Oilers need to draft the guy they think will be their GM in 35 years. They need a much better version of Kevin Lowe.

rated
04-17-2014, 07:58 PM
If they still need everything why take one asset when you can trade it for multiple assets?

Depends on what those assets are

LeafOfFaith
04-17-2014, 08:34 PM
All I know is I want a big time forward, and ideally center, out of this draft.

I don't give a shit about BPA. If the BPA at the spot we draft isn't a top center, trade up to get the BPA that is.

I want this ****ing tease of a season to be good for something, and that's getting our next Sundin.

rated
04-17-2014, 09:00 PM
Who is the next Sundin in this years draft ?

Metalleaf
04-17-2014, 09:15 PM
No one.

Leafin'
04-17-2014, 09:40 PM
Draisaitl looked Sundin-like in his skating in that video.

Artnes
04-17-2014, 11:19 PM
I miss that guy. We were so lucky to have that guy in our lineup for so long.

MindzEye
04-17-2014, 11:45 PM
Draisaitl looked Sundin-like in his skating in that video.

He'll be a fraction as dominant on the puck though. You can't teach 6'5 240

Habsy
04-18-2014, 09:58 AM
He'll be a fraction as dominant on the puck though. You can't teach 6'5 240

You can try....

http://humbleseed.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Torture-Device1.jpg

MindzEye
04-18-2014, 11:06 AM
Don't tempt me. Naz Kadri at 6'5 could take shit over.