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hockeylover
07-03-2014, 02:39 PM
As per Dreger. Discuss.

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 02:41 PM
No Legwand then...but this guys younger and fills a similar roll. 1 year, cheap. I like it.

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 02:43 PM
28 points in 49 games on a shitty Canucks team that couldn't score seems decent.

trujaysfan
07-03-2014, 02:44 PM
Leaves us with a fair amount of cap room and flexibility. Don't know a ton about the player but could be a pretty decent pickup with little risk.

Killer93
07-03-2014, 02:48 PM
LOVE this signing. Perfect 3rd line centre and I am betting he out-produces Dave Bolland. With the 2 signings today the Leafs are developing some depth upfront

leafman101
07-03-2014, 02:48 PM
He's cheap. We have lots of cap room and flexibility and pretty much a full roster. So lots of room to upgrade still.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 02:51 PM
Facoffs
2013-14: 51.3%
2012-13: 59.6%
Career: 49.6%

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 02:51 PM
morgan rielly
“@DarrenDreger: Leafs have agreed to a 1 year deal with Mike Santorelli, $1.5 mil.” #workhorse #trainingpartners

trujaysfan
07-03-2014, 02:52 PM
Is he a better C or W? Dreger said he can play either?

hockeylover
07-03-2014, 02:52 PM
morgan rielly
“@DarrenDreger: Leafs have agreed to a 1 year deal with Mike Santorelli, $1.5 mil.” #workhorse #trainingpartners

Ah, that's really nice.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 02:52 PM
Corsi
2013-14: 1.6
2012-13: 2.5
2011-12: 2.3

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 02:55 PM
morgan rielly
“@DarrenDreger: Leafs have agreed to a 1 year deal with Mike Santorelli, $1.5 mil.” #workhorse #trainingpartners

If young Mr Rielly things he's a gym rat, then he's a ****ing gym rat. Love adding guys like that to a dressing room.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 02:55 PM
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FORWARDS
Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Tyler Bozak ($4.200m) / Phil Kessel ($8.000m)
James Van Riemsdyk ($4.250m) / Nazem Kadri ($2.900m) / Petri Kontiola ($1.100m)
Leo Komarov ($2.950m) / Mike Santorelli ($1.500m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
Carter Ashton ($0.851m) / Peter Holland ($1.300m) / Matt Frattin ($0.800m)
Spencer Abbott ($0.715m) / Colton Orr ($0.925m) /

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Morgan Rielly ($0.894m) / Dion Phaneuf ($7.000m)
Jake Gardiner ($2.900m) / Stephane Robidas ($3.000m)
Stuart Percy ($0.863m) / Roman Polak ($2.750m)
Petter Granberg ($0.800m) /

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Jonathan Bernier ($2.900m)

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Mike Komisarek ($0.000m)
Mikhail Grabovski ($0.000m)
Tim Gleason ($0.833m)
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They'll have about $6 million and all they need is a goalie. Everything else is gravy.

LeafGm
07-03-2014, 02:56 PM
I like it. It means no Legwand, I guess, but we've got some decent depth at center now and still a fair bit of breathing room under the cap.

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 02:56 PM
Is he a better C or W? Dreger said he can play either?

Yep, plays both about equally well from what I saw of him last season.

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 02:57 PM
I like it. It means no Legwand, I guess, but we've got some decent depth at center now and still a fair bit of breathing room under the cap.

Not necessarily. He also plays a decent, fringe top 6 RW. He could easily beat Clarkson out for the 2nd line RW job.

LeafGm
07-03-2014, 02:58 PM
Not necessarily. He also plays a decent, fringe top 6 RW. He could easily beat Clarkson out for the 2nd line RW job.
I suppose so. Kontiola can also play the right wing as well.

It gives us plenty of options, anyways, which is nice after our early-season center ice disaster last year.

Preston_Mizzi
07-03-2014, 03:01 PM
Mason Raymond esque signing.

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 03:01 PM
Yeah, I think this has to be the reaction to that last season. We have 5-6 guys now who can slot in to a centre role if necessary. I wouldn't be surprised to see us add another one as well.

Preston_Mizzi
07-03-2014, 03:06 PM
I have to say.. I kind of like what they've done this offseason, with the exception of Komarov and the Polak trade. And to me, those aren't even complete disasters like we've come to know around here. Progress. Baby steps. I like it.

Rumpleforeskin
07-03-2014, 03:07 PM
link (http://canucksarmy.com/2013/12/9/canucks-zone-entries-early-season-standouts)


Mike Santorelli

I'm not sure what's more impressive; the fact that Santorelli has the highest controlled entry rate among regular Vancouver forwards or the fact that the Canucks got him for next to nothing in the off-season. What a steal.


http://canucksarmy.com/uploads/Image/canucks%20forwards%204.JPG

LeafOfFaith
07-03-2014, 03:09 PM
I don't know anything about this guy, but 60% on the draw is nice.

Franson and Reimer are both going to be gone for a top 6 winger before opening night. No doubt about it.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 03:14 PM
The guy had a good career going until two years ago. PPG+ player in the NCAA, became a ppg player in the AHL at 22/23, as a rookie in the NHL he scored 20 goals and 40 points. Then out of nowhere he just had two terrible years and became a cast off. But then got things back on track this year. He is 28/29 now so would be a shocker to see him have the best year of his career.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 03:15 PM
He also played both the PK and PP last year. Versatile guy that could be anything from our 4th line center to 2nd line winger.

zeke
07-03-2014, 03:16 PM
Can't complain about thus one at all. A no risk contract for a versatile two way guy that could easily outplay the likes of bolland this year.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 03:21 PM
This could be one of the best signings of the offseason for any team.

Preston_Mizzi
07-03-2014, 03:21 PM
I don't think he's very good defensively, but I could still see him being Randy's McClement-esque obsession this year, with his versatility and faceoff skills and all. Quite an upgrade from the past couple years. I can live with that.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 03:22 PM
I just protected him in fantrax, now.

love the fit.

BG
07-03-2014, 03:26 PM
Don't be fooled by the guys numbers, Vancouvers injuries played a big part in why he had a sudden boost in productivity. I don't mind the signing, but I really hope that Nonis doesn't believe that Santorelli is going to play an offensive role. The guy is a downgrade from Raymond offensively, and his equal in defensive ability.

Preston_Mizzi
07-03-2014, 03:28 PM
Don't be fooled by the guys numbers, Vancouvers injuries played a big part in why he had a sudden boost in productivity. I don't mind the signing, but I really hope that Nonis doesn't believe that Santorelli is going to play an offensive role. The guy is a downgrade from Raymond offensively, and his equal in defensive ability.
He paid him 1.5 million. I think Nonis knows that even if he doesn't produce much offensively, it's a great value signing. I mean Shawn Thornton got what, 1.2? Ridiculous.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 03:28 PM
Is he a downgrade from raymond though? Its not like Raymond was having good season, after good season until last year. There is a reason why no one wanted him except on a tryout.

They are pretty similar guys that top out at 40 points. Only Santorelli can play center, and hopefully isn't scared of getting hit.

Montana
07-03-2014, 03:29 PM
Don't be fooled by the guys numbers, Vancouvers injuries played a big part in why he had a sudden boost in productivity.

Don't be fooled....because he produced when given an opportunity?

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 03:30 PM
He played at a 50 point pace last season despite injuries.

Volcanologist
07-03-2014, 03:35 PM
So if santorelli and the Finnish guy are our bottom two centres, what happens to Holland?

Preston_Mizzi
07-03-2014, 03:36 PM
If Holland has a good camp, he'll make it. One of those guys will shift to wing.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 03:37 PM
So if santorelli and the Finnish guy are our bottom two centres, what happens to Holland?

Santorelli can play the wing.

In fact i bet both others could as well.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 03:37 PM
Holland will probably make it anyway. There aren't too many legitimate options to beat him out, if any. Someoene will have to start on the wing.

Montana
07-03-2014, 03:37 PM
So if santorelli and the Finnish guy are our bottom two centres, what happens to Holland?

All three battle for the two spots available.....other guy plays on the wing.

number17
07-03-2014, 03:40 PM
None of these guys (Santorelli, that new Finnish guy, or Frattin) can be counted on for the 2nd line RW role. I am still hoping there's a trade coming later.

But these guys can easily plug into holes on the 3rd or 4th line.

I don't think this means no Legwand either, I wouldn't rule that out. Santonrelli is only $1M.

Preston_Mizzi
07-03-2014, 03:41 PM
I could see Franson and Holland packaged for a RW

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 03:41 PM
I wonder if Nonis is setting himself to be able to get a " Patrick Marleau" type through trade by keeping enough cap back.

San Jose has been uber quiet.

As has Philly, who might have to trade someone good if they can't move LeCavalier.

zeke
07-03-2014, 03:44 PM
Reimer + Franson + Holland for a quality two way top 6 forward. Even an overpaid one.

Montana
07-03-2014, 03:47 PM
Reimer + Franson + Holland for a quality two way top 6 forward. Even an overpaid one.


....such as.....

BG
07-03-2014, 03:49 PM
Don't be fooled....because he produced when given an opportunity?

He tops out at 40pts with 2nd line ice-time. Not shitting on the signing - just hoping that Nonis is still shopping for a 2nd line upgrade.

hockeylover
07-03-2014, 03:50 PM
He tops out at 40pts with 2nd line ice-time. Not shitting on the signing - just hoping that Nonis is still shopping for a 2nd line upgrade.

I really don't think that the guy they signed a 1 year, 1.5 million dollar deal was intended to be for the 2nd line.

I think it's more likely that they'll force Clarkson there unfortunately.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 03:55 PM
Nylander and Leivo are options there too if either can earn it. Also on the third line. Now we just have enough bodies to not have to force them in the lineup too early if they aren't ready.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 03:55 PM
....such as.....

Matt Read i imagine is Philly's plan B to move

CTheBigPicture
07-03-2014, 04:00 PM
Dear David Nonis,

We have cap space sure, but you don't have to kill it by trading for an 35 year forward like Marleau. I've got news for you, we aren't winning the cup!!! Keep the cap space, give young guys a chance to shine, build up their value and set your self up to land a long term solution at C or D. You set those up and THEN go find a Marleau, not the other way around.

Thanks,

BG
07-03-2014, 04:00 PM
I really don't think that the guy they signed a 1 year, 1.5 million dollar deal was intended to be for the 2nd line.

I think it's more likely that they'll force Clarkson there unfortunately.

Yep, they need to upgrade the 2nd line wing.

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 04:01 PM
Matt Read i imagine is Philly's plan B to move

Read, Marleau, Kane....any other names?

hockeylover
07-03-2014, 04:03 PM
Read's interesting.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 04:06 PM
Dustin Penner is a free agent

Hawks would trade Kris Versteeg for a 6th

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 04:08 PM
Leafs tried Versteeg once...I'd rather try Leivo. Penner's interesting if he's willing to come cheap.

Pucklosopher
07-03-2014, 04:09 PM
A nice luxury the Leafs have is that they need to get older, not younger. And vets can be had for good prices.

I don't think they need to trade Reimer + Franson etc. to get a 2nd line winger. They shouldn't waste those decent assets unless something really good is available, IMO.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 04:10 PM
Charm Alfie.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 04:11 PM
Convert Mike Ribiero to a W

leafman101
07-03-2014, 04:12 PM
Charm Alfie.

Yeah this. Just to **** with Sens fans would be worth it. The fact that a veteran, 2nd line RW with leadership qualities is exactly what this team needs is a bonus.

hockeylover
07-03-2014, 04:13 PM
That'd be pretty fun actually, after a tough summer for the Sens thus far.

leafman101
07-03-2014, 04:14 PM
Convert Mike Ribiero to a W

I was thinking about this, or Roy, or Heatly on a one year deal. But they are all such *******s. The Leafs don't need the baggage for a couple of goals.

MyNameIsJonas
07-03-2014, 04:15 PM
Lee Stempniak

trujaysfan
07-03-2014, 04:15 PM
I don't think i could ever cheer for Alfie

leafman101
07-03-2014, 04:19 PM
With what they have now Kessel, and JVR are locks for 30 goals, Kadri, Santorelli, and Clarkson have all scored 20 in the NHL. Bozak has scored at a 20 goal pace multiple times. Thats six guys who are legit threats for 20 goals. Add in talented young players like Holland, Frattin (who played at a 20+ goal pace 2 years ago for the Leafs), Nylander and Leivo. They can score as is.

They don't have to be desperate for what is left on the market or in trade. They can sit on the cap space and wait for the right opportunity. Or for Spezza to become a UFA.

Pucklosopher
07-03-2014, 04:20 PM
Yeah this. Just to **** with Sens fans would be worth it. The fact that a veteran, 2nd line RW with leadership qualities is exactly what this team needs is a bonus.

NO. This is not worth it even to **** with Sens fans.

Pucklosopher
07-03-2014, 04:21 PM
Maybe we can trade Franson for Bobby Ryan though.

LeafGm
07-03-2014, 04:23 PM
Yeah this. Just to **** with Sens fans would be worth it. The fact that a veteran, 2nd line RW with leadership qualities is exactly what this team needs is a bonus.
Ratface doesn't have any leadership qualities.

LeafGm
07-03-2014, 04:24 PM
I don't think i could ever cheer for Alfie
If we ever signed or acquired him, I'd make it a point to get tickets to at least one game at the ACC, and still boo him every time he touched the puck.

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 04:28 PM
Penner would be a nice add to a Lupul-Kadri line.

Pucklosopher
07-03-2014, 04:35 PM
What about Jagr?

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 04:42 PM
What about Jagr?

he re-upped with New Jersey.

Hoss
07-03-2014, 04:42 PM
He resigned with jersey

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 04:48 PM
I don't think i could ever cheer for Alfie

If I had to see Mats in a ****ing Canucks jersey, this is the least that fate, or the gods, the flying spaghetti monster, whatever can do for me. In the same ****ing off season have Spezza get traded for nothing and Alfie finish his career as a Leaf.

Wayward DP
07-03-2014, 04:54 PM
I still really want Evander Kane. Think there's a deal to be made there with some combination of Lupul/Franson/Reimer +++

BeLeafer
07-03-2014, 04:55 PM
Sonofabeach, the Leafs are making some smart moves. I would almost be hopeful if it weren't for keeping that doofus Carlyle around.

And, please, stop drooling over ratface. I'd puke if he donned the Leafs jersey.

BeLeafer
07-03-2014, 04:56 PM
I still really want Evander Kane. Think there's a deal to be made there with some combination of Lupul/Franson/Reimer +++

That's the guy I'd love to see them chase after.

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 05:09 PM
Sonofabeach, the Leafs are making some smart moves. I would almost be hopeful if it weren't for keeping that doofus Carlyle around.

And, please, stop drooling over ratface. I'd puke if he donned the Leafs jersey.

Meh, he would help on the ice, in the dressing room, and lead to increased suicides in Ottawa. Win-win-win in my books.

and I hate the ****

Volcanologist
07-03-2014, 05:16 PM
That heartless fraudulent puke Ratfredsson in a leaf jersey?? Never, never, ever.

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 05:24 PM
Ratfredsson is apparently waiting until August to make a decision.

Matrim
07-03-2014, 05:30 PM
I'm not a huge fan of Santorelli but he does provide some much needed versatility to the Leafs lineup as he can play all over the place.

LeafOfFaith
07-03-2014, 05:44 PM
The disgust I have for Alfie far outweighs any pleasure I'd get from seeing Sens fans squirm over seeing him in a Leafs jersey.

gilmour93forever
07-03-2014, 05:44 PM
That's the guy I'd love to see them chase after.

If only he wasn't such a troubled kid. We need someone with his skill and none of the baggage.

Oh to tell some of the stories I've heard about him...

leafman101
07-03-2014, 05:46 PM
Well tell them...what is he going to do sue you?

LeafOfFaith
07-03-2014, 05:47 PM
Let's just wait for Stamkos to go UFA next year. : )

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 05:47 PM
http://metronewsca.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/a-d_2yecaaa1npc-e1355929421107.jpg?w=618&h=408&crop=1

worm
07-03-2014, 05:54 PM
Meh, he would help on the ice, in the dressing room, and lead to increased suicides in Ottawa. Win-win-win in my books.

and I hate the ****

http://3.cdn.nhle.com/canadiens/images/upload/2011/06/gilmour%20in%20story.jpg

http://www.totalprosports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/12-guy-lafleur-nordiques-athletes-who-joined-the-enemy-played-on-both-sides-of-rivalry.jpg

LeafGm
07-03-2014, 06:00 PM
Gilmour with the Habs was weird, but it wasn't such a huge deal, considering Gilmour played with two other teams before becoming a Leaf, and three other other teams between his departure from Toronto and his arrival in Montreal.

gilmour93forever
07-03-2014, 06:00 PM
Well for starters, he was a healthy scratch playing us last year because he was partying all night the night before.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/boxscore?gameId=400485406

Healthy the game before, healthy the game after.

Wayward DP
07-03-2014, 06:03 PM
The disgust I have for Alfie far outweighs any pleasure I'd get from seeing Sens fans squirm over seeing him in a Leafs jersey.

yup.

I'd also like to point out Phil Kessel had similar 'character' issues to Kane before joining the Leafs... and if all you've got is one time when he was a healthy scratch for allegedly partying too hard... well that's not much of a knock on a young millionaire...

leafman101
07-03-2014, 06:05 PM
I'd also like to point out Phil Kessel had similar 'character' issues to Kane before joining the Leafs... and if all you've got is one time when he was a healthy scratch for allegedly partying too hard... well that's not much of a knock on a young millionaire...

He didn't really. Kessel may be an awkward guy in the dressing room, but we were talking about a 21 year old kid that was a first line NHL and fought cancer. Focus, and work ethic were never a problem for Kessel.

Kane is another story. The talent is one thing, but you need to make a lot of sacrifices in your personal life if you want to be an elite hockey player (or anything really). Not taking it seriously is concerning and not an issue Kessel ever had.

gilmour93forever
07-03-2014, 06:07 PM
yup.

I'd also like to point out Phil Kessel had similar 'character' issues to Kane before joining the Leafs... and if all you've got is one time when he was a healthy scratch for allegedly partying too hard... well that's not much of a knock on a young millionaire...

Not exactly ALL I have on the kid. He was out partying with an acquaintance of mine after all.

Look, I think he's a talent but with some of the "character issues" we have, I think a veteran guy like Marleau (or in that ilk) would serve this squad a bit better.

Montana
07-03-2014, 06:08 PM
22 year old who has twice scored at a 30 goal pace in the NHL, despite "not taking it seriously"?......sign me up.

gilmour93forever
07-03-2014, 06:08 PM
He didn't really. Kessel may be an awkward guy in the dressing room, but we were talking about a 21 year old kid that was a first line NHL and fought cancer. Focus, and work ethic were never a problem for Kessel.

Kane is another story. The talent is one thing, but you need to make a lot of sacrifices in your personal life if you want to be an elite hockey player (or anything really). Not taking it seriously is concerning and not an issue Kessel ever had.

Exactly. And for the Jets it was a throw-away game, so he didn't give a f*** about the outcome. I mean, dude was at the Raps game to start that Friday night off and you KNOW that Winnipeg doesn't have the nightlife Toronto does.

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 06:09 PM
Komarov-Kadri-Kane....yes please.

Montana
07-03-2014, 06:11 PM
character shmaracter.

gilmour93forever
07-03-2014, 06:13 PM
character shmaracter.

Hey, I love the kid too. Just don't know if this team would be the best fit, that's all. The young talent already likes to party on this squad.

worm
07-03-2014, 06:13 PM
Komarov-Kadri-Kane....yes please.

Subban does not approve... ...

Wayward DP
07-03-2014, 06:14 PM
He didn't really. Kessel may be an awkward guy in the dressing room, but we were talking about a 21 year old kid that was a first line NHL and fought cancer. Focus, and work ethic were never a problem for Kessel.

Kane is another story. The talent is one thing, but you need to make a lot of sacrifices in your personal life if you want to be an elite hockey player (or anything really). Not taking it seriously is concerning and not an issue Kessel ever had.

Kane's hardly the first talented youngster to be accused of 'not taking it seriously' and 'partying too hard'. There's that Jeff Carter guy too, he turned out okay. Players grow up.

MindzEye
07-03-2014, 06:15 PM
character shmaracter.

This.

It's the most useless, over used characteristic in professional sports. Most of these guys are douchebags, I don't care if he slaps homeless people in the off season as long as he works hard at his craft and competes.

Metalleaf
07-03-2014, 06:16 PM
Patrick Kane punched a cabbie...you don't hear people ragging him about it after 2 cups...

gilmour93forever
07-03-2014, 06:19 PM
Kane's hardly the first talented youngster to be accused of 'not taking it seriously' and 'partying too hard'. There's that Jeff Carter guy too, he turned out okay. Players grow up.

So bang your teammates wife when it's not a game night


Patrick Kane punched a cabbie...you don't hear people ragging him about it after 2 cups...

Or punch a cabbie in the off-season.

rated
07-03-2014, 06:26 PM
yup.

I'd also like to point out Phil Kessel had similar 'character' issues to Kane before joining the Leafs... and if all you've got is one time when he was a healthy scratch for allegedly partying too hard... well that's not much of a knock on a young millionaire...

Boston says every guy they trade has character issues

leafman101
07-03-2014, 06:27 PM
Kane's hardly the first talented youngster to be accused of 'not taking it seriously' and 'partying too hard'. There's that Jeff Carter guy too, he turned out okay. Players grow up.

Yeah. Wasn't writing him off, just defending Kessel. Kessel shouldn't be lumped in there.

gilmour93forever
07-03-2014, 06:30 PM
Boston says every guy they trade has character issues

There's a difference between saying it and seeing it.

I'll be honest, if Kane is traded here I'll be ecstatic. Don't get me wrong, just might be the perfect storm. I would love for our team to be like the early 90's Dallas Cowboys. Play hard on and off the field.

rated
07-03-2014, 06:36 PM
There's a difference between saying it and seeing it.

I'll be honest, if Kane is traded here I'll be ecstatic. Don't get me wrong, just might be the perfect storm. I would love for our team to be like the early 90's Dallas Cowboys. Play hard on and off the field.

Im not questioning kanes character issues, i was just pointing out that kessel trade with boston was a bad example. Id personally love kane on the 2nd line with kadri replacing lupul

BeLeafer
07-03-2014, 07:34 PM
This character shit is precisely why the kid might be obtainable.

Moar Character.

Volcanologist
07-03-2014, 07:46 PM
Would definitely answer the Moneyphone.

Deckie007
07-03-2014, 07:52 PM
I have a dream that one day hockey players will be judged for their skills and results rather than the content of their character.

JackBurton
07-04-2014, 12:34 AM
I couldn't care less if Kane is an A-Hole. I would be too if I lived in Winnipeg.

You win with talent. **** this "Character Issues" and "Intangibles" horseshit.

JaysCyYoung
07-04-2014, 07:59 AM
This character shit is precisely why the kid might be obtainable.

Moar Character.

Quite frankly, I wonder how many questions about "Kane's" character are precisely related to him being a confident young black athlete in a city completely foreign to that demographic beyond their CFL team.

As we've seen with Subban, the NHL management circles engender a very conservative culture, so it would not be in the least surprising to me if the racist undercurrent and slight resentment directed towards Kane for "rocking the boat " or "not knowing his place" was a major factor in Winnipeg's perception of him.

Because hey, if they want to give up on an elite 22 year-old forward talent because he's a little dark and cocky all the better for a team like the Leafs that takes advantage of their silly principles.

Hoss
07-04-2014, 08:19 AM
Kadri already has that label on him as well. They see youth, confidence, and darker skin tones and they want to knock it down a few pegs.

Someone posted earlier about Patrick Kane and he has the exact same attitude but the fact he's white and he's paired with Toews all th time, make him different. If kadri or e Kane got into it with a cabbie they'd be crucified.

If Nonis really wanted, he could make us the most pain in the ass team in the league. Get a line of E Kane with Kadri and the league will have a revolution against them.
That'd be fun.
A more skilled yet more irritating pair than Tucker and Corson

leafman101
07-04-2014, 08:38 AM
I'm not sure that partying the night before a game has anything to do with being black. The kid has made mistakes. Doesn't mean he'll never amount to anything. The guy has too much talent to waste it on being a stupid kid like most 23 year olds can afford to be though. You don't want him to end up being like Lupul or Mike Richards. A trade would probably be good for him.

number17
07-04-2014, 09:03 AM
He's 23, he's made some mistakes in his life, with a good coach and a good locker room, he can get straightened out. I mean, does anyone still talk about Tyler Seguin's partying habit now? How about Kane punching out the cab driver? Jeff Carter and his late night parties? Kids grow up and I don't expect Kane to be an exception.

What matters is he is 23, he has size, speed, hands and the vision to be an elite NHL forward. If he's at all available, we gotta try out best to get him. He may or may not turn out to be an elite player, but sure-bet elite players never become available (Like, you think Stamkos will actually walk away as an UFA making himself available to the highest bidder next summer??) ... we gotta take our chance with someone like Kane if he's at all available.

Volcanologist
07-04-2014, 09:21 AM
I welcome all uppity darkies to our team.

LeafGm
07-04-2014, 09:32 AM
Yeah, I'd be perfectly fine with moneyphone on our team. The kid's got some size and serious talent.

And if San Jose's doing a major shake-up of their core, I'd love to see them take a run at Patrick Marleau. Maybe dangle Lupul + Franson?

Pucklosopher
07-04-2014, 10:17 AM
I don't think it will be worth the assets and cap-space for the Leafs to acquire E. Kane. Maybe it will be cheap. But I doubt it. Especially with Nonahan, who are no Burke when it comes to salesmanship and negotiating, in charge.

From an asset-management perspective, it might be valuable to trade up for an E. Kane. But, again, I don't trust Nonahan to get a good deal.

On the ice, the Leafs are really talented on the wing: Kessel, JVR, Lupul, Nylander. They don't have the PP minutes for E. Kane to really put up numbers (unless at the expense of someone else). He doesn't bring any defensive prowess, either.

Overall, I think it'd be better for the Leafs to hold their cards / assets here.

Bleedsblue&white
07-04-2014, 11:57 AM
I welcome all uppity darkies to our team.

So...all of them?

hockeylover
07-04-2014, 12:02 PM
Having Kessel, JVR, Kane, Nylander as our top 4 wingers going forward would be pretty sweet though.

Feyd
07-04-2014, 12:07 PM
If moneyphone is in play, Nonis better make the call.

MyNameIsJonas
07-04-2014, 12:29 PM
Evander Kane reeks of Philadelphia Flyer or Brooklyn Islander.

Canadian teams won't touch him

character and good persons and all that.

leafman101
07-04-2014, 12:43 PM
The Leafs just don't really need him. If they were to make a move it would have to be fore JVR or Nylander otherwise what is the point. You can't afford to trade from a position of weakness and move a guy like Kadri or Gardiner to improve a position of strength. You aren't getting him for Franson and Reimer.

number17
07-04-2014, 12:53 PM
You don't think a trade around Lupul can get us Kane?

Metalleaf
07-04-2014, 12:54 PM
Franson by himself more likely gets us Josh Bailey or something similar.

leafman101
07-04-2014, 12:55 PM
You don't think a trade around Lupul can get us Kane?

No. Do you?

Lupul is 31, always hurt and if they are trading Kane because of his behaviour off the ice why the hell would they want Lupul?

worm
07-04-2014, 01:01 PM
he is white

BG
07-04-2014, 01:01 PM
If I'm trading Kane, I'm looking for a full-on hockey deal, one-for-one NHL-ready young asset in return. Tampa? Columbus? Colorado?

MyNameIsJonas
07-04-2014, 01:05 PM
If Philly could dump Vinny

Then Kane for Coutourier base makes sense

number17
07-04-2014, 11:48 PM
No. Do you?

Lupul is 31, always hurt and if they are trading Kane because of his behaviour off the ice why the hell would they want Lupul?I wouldn't jumpn to that conclusion. First of all I said a package around Lupul, I didn't mean Lupul straight up.

Word is Kane has had run-in's with the coach and it's becoming a distraction in the dressing room. Lupul was a PPG forward just 2 seasons ago (in fact, you can argue even last season), which is a lot more than Kane has yet to achieve. You may question Lupul's character but not that long ago people were suggesting Lupul should be this team's captain.

Point is, Lupul has pretty decent trade value in the market, and a package around Lupul, plus possibly franson and one of our prospect should get us a good return. Kane, OTOH, isn't exactly coming off as an emerging star.

Pronger84
07-05-2014, 12:10 AM
I think Lupul, Riemer and Frason for Kane at least gets them thinking about it.

MyNameIsJonas
07-05-2014, 12:13 AM
I think Lupul, Riemer and Frason for Kane at least gets them thinking about it.

No.

Pronger84
07-05-2014, 12:15 AM
No.

Yes.

Lupul= Perennial 25-30g/60-65pt gu when healthy
Riemer= Decent backup who can fill in for Pavelic when he gets injured
Franson= Gives them a big bodied top 4D with a heavy shot and can chip in on the powerplay

I'll use the Seguin trade as a precedent setter:

Dallas gave up Eriksson (a perennial 30g winger), and 3 prospects (Rielly Smith, Joe Morrow, Matt Fraser) in return for Seguin and Peverly. At this point its safe to say Seguin has a higher ceiling level then Kane does and that was the return he got, while Kane is worth value it's not at the same level Seguin is. Lupul, Reimer and Frason for Kane is a very fair market value deal for a 22 year old winger who has while has scored 30 goals in the past, also has regressed a bit and has off ice behavioural problems that are impacting his on ice play.

JackBurton
07-05-2014, 12:15 AM
Yeah, that package is not good enough. They'll want a first rounder, good prospect and decent young-ish player that can help now. Kane will get the type of package Sens' and Canucks fans thought they'd get for their centres.

MyNameIsJonas
07-05-2014, 12:17 AM
Yes.

Lupul= Perennial 25-30g/60-65pt gu when healthy
Riemer= Decent backup who can fill in for Pavelic when he gets injured
Franson= Gives them a big bodied top 4D with a heavy shot and can chip in on the powerplay

31 year old injury prone forward
number 5 D on their team
backup goalie

NOPE

MyNameIsJonas
07-05-2014, 12:17 AM
Yeah, that package is not good enough. They'll want a first rounder, good prospect and decent young-ish player that can help now. Kane will get the type of package Sens' and Canucks fans thought they'd get for their centres.

at the bare minimum a huge goaltending upgrade, where they lack big time.

number17
07-05-2014, 09:34 AM
I think Kane is being overrated here just a tiny bit...

He's coming off a 40 point season, he's been a healthy scratch for games because he's been a problem child, he has a $5.25M cap hit for the next 4 years. In his best season he had 57 points... It's not like we're talking about Phil Kessel or Tyler seguin here.

leafman101
07-05-2014, 09:49 AM
He is a 22 year old 4th overall pick from a couple of years ago that has played at a 25+ goal pace for 3 years in a row.

No one is trading him for a package centered around a 31 year old version of the same player that didn't pan out.

The only guy being overrated here is Lupul. Its amazing how everyone can think this team is so bad, while thinking all the players are so good and valuable at the same time.

leafman101
07-05-2014, 09:51 AM
Seriously guys, would you trade Kadri for Lupul, Franson and Reimer? There is no way. People didn't even want to move Kadri for Kesler or Spezza.

And Kadri isn't as valuable as Kane.

UWHabs
07-05-2014, 09:59 AM
Kadri for Kane is the start of a deal that they might consider. If you want to deal Lupul, it would be Lupul-Gardiner which they would consider.

hockeylover
07-05-2014, 10:09 AM
Wow, such certainty lol.

MyNameIsJonas
07-05-2014, 10:42 AM
Wow, such certainty lol.

He's not wrong

I would need Kadri or Gardiner as the centerpiece in any Kane deal

Not a collection of garbage surrounding a 31 year old Lupul.

hockeylover
07-05-2014, 10:45 AM
He's not wrong

I would need Kadri or Gardiner as the centerpiece in any Kane deal

Not a collection of garbage surrounding a 31 year old Lupul.

I just thought it was funny how he was like "Winnipeg will consider THIS and THIS" with such certainty.

Not "might consider", or "this makes sense", or "If I'm Winnipeg...".

MyNameIsJonas
07-05-2014, 10:46 AM
I just thought it was funny how he was like "Winnipeg will consider THIS and THIS" with such certainty.

Not "might consider", or "this makes sense", or "If I'm Winnipeg...".

He pronger'd

It happens.

zeke
07-05-2014, 10:54 AM
We got jvr for luke fricken schenn.

leafman101
07-05-2014, 12:17 PM
Like Schenn was a youn recent top 5 pick not a 31 year old hospital patient.

Hologram made a bad trade but he did it because he thought Schenn was young and good. You'd have a better chance gettin Kane for Schenn than Lupul.

leafman101
07-05-2014, 12:21 PM
I'll say it again. You and everyone else here know you wouldn't trade Kadri for lupul so I don't see how anyone things someone would trade Kane for him.

Blueman
07-05-2014, 12:57 PM
I'd trade Kadri for Lupul, I'd even drive him to the airport.

Blueman
07-05-2014, 12:59 PM
All this trade talk about Kane - IMO should not include Lupul. We should be looking to ADD a 2nd line winger, not just swap them. Nylander + Franson for Kane + Winnipeg's 2015 1st round pick is what I'd offer.

number17
07-05-2014, 01:16 PM
Kadri > Kane...

Kadri has at least played on 70+ points pace, and in his 'bad season' he had 50 points playing on the second line.

The 4th overall pick only sticks around for that long.

We got JVR (another early pick that disppointed) for schenn - a guy who has dropped to 5th D at that point.

We got Gardiner (and Lupul!) for a 31 year old Beauchemin.

And no, I don't think we can get Kane for lupul straight up, I've said that many times already. It's a package center around Lupul... It can involve our 1st too.

runninglow
07-05-2014, 01:40 PM
I'd prefer Wheeler over Kane...any word on his potential availability, or is it just the kids everyone gives up on after awarding huge contracts?

Blueman
07-05-2014, 01:53 PM
Kadri > Kane...

Kadri has at least played on 70+ points pace, and in his 'bad season' he had 50 points playing on the second line.

The 4th overall pick only sticks around for that long.

We got JVR (another early pick that disppointed) for schenn - a guy who has dropped to 5th D at that point.

We got Gardiner (and Lupul!) for a 31 year old Beauchemin.

And no, I don't think we can get Kane for lupul straight up, I've said that many times already. It's a package center around Lupul... It can involve our 1st too.

I don't agree Kadri > Kane. Kadri is a soft player who's highest goal total has been 20 and total points has been 50. Kane has hit 30 goals and topped out at 57 points. IMO Kane has had the better nhl career and is a year younger than Kadri.

Leafin'
07-05-2014, 01:58 PM
Kane- Kadri would be a helluva pairing on the 2nd line

Blueman
07-05-2014, 02:03 PM
Kane- Kadri would be a helluva pairing on the 2nd line

Yes please

JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Lupul - Kadri - Kane

Would be a good top 6

hockeylover
07-05-2014, 02:03 PM
I don't agree Kadri > Kane. Kadri is a soft player who's highest goal total has been 20 and total points has been 50. Kane has hit 30 goals and topped out at 57 points. IMO Kane has had the better nhl career and is a year younger than Kadri.

I feel like he could've pretty easily beat that point total in his lockout shortened season.

Blueman
07-05-2014, 02:15 PM
I feel like he could've pretty easily beat that point total in his lockout shortened season.
I feel that the shortened season was too small a sample size and people overrate Kadri's 'on pace' numbers. One hot streak in half a season can really inflate a players value. Happens every year at the start of the season, someone goes off in the first month and then settles back down to earth.

All of this aside, I do like Kadri and think he can get north of 60 points this year if Lupul is healthy and he gets another legitimate winger to play with.

hockeylover
07-05-2014, 02:18 PM
I feel that the shortened season was too small a sample size and people overrate Kadri's 'on pace' numbers. One hot streak in half a season can really inflate a players value. Happens every year at the start of the season, someone goes off in the first month and then settles back down to earth.

All of this aside, I do like Kadri and think he can get north of 60 points this year if Lupul is healthy and he gets another legitimate winger to play with.

Sure, but I'm not saying he would've continued that same pace. I'm just saying that he could've easily gotten 13 points in the 34 extra games had it been a regular season to match Kane's best. That's only slightly over a 30 point pace.

Anyways, I too would love Kane. Not sure Nonis can pull it off though - he's not as aggressive as Burkie.

Blueman
07-05-2014, 02:23 PM
Sure, but I'm not saying he would've continued that same pace. I'm just saying that he could've easily gotten 13 points in the 34 extra games had it been a regular season to match Kane's best. That's only slightly over a 30 point pace.

Anyways, I too would love Kane. Not sure Nonis can pull it off though - he's not as aggressive as Burkie.

Well he had 78 games this past season and only put up 50 points. Disappointing but agreed, that would still match Kane's best, but still a bit of a mirage when compared to '70 point' player.

I'd like Nonis to push hard for Kane as well, just not sure if he's even really on the block or not.

number17
07-05-2014, 05:40 PM
I don't quite get why you emphasize on Kadri's "disappointing" 50 points season which is really his 2nd full NHL season (and many, many sophomores slump in their 2nd full season) while you completely overlook Kane's past 40 Pts season. Yet, Kadri's PPG season in the shortened season was a 'mirage' and Kane's lone 30G season was 'real'????

Kane and Kadri are both good, young players ... and one's primarily a play maker (but still hit 20G seasons in both full NHL seasons), the other's primarily a power forward goal scorer. But Kane's got 1st line and PP1 icetime over the past 4 seasons, Kadri OTOH has achieved similar numbers with 2nd line icetime. Kane is signed to a rather expensive $5.25M for the next 4 seasons, but Kadri had a cap friendly $2.9M this season before he turns RFA while is gonna be key if you put both on the market right now.

BeLeafer
07-05-2014, 05:53 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Blueman said that Colborne would be a better player than Kadri. That combined with calling him a soft player (lol), says he sorely underrates Kadri for whatever reason.

I would not trade Kadri for Kane. Not a chance.

Pronger84
07-05-2014, 06:20 PM
If I'm not mistaken, Blueman said that Colborne would be a better player than Kadri. That combined with calling him a soft player (lol), says he sorely underrates Kadri for whatever reason.

I would not trade Kadri for Kane. Not a chance.

In blueman's defense, Kadri wasn't the same in your-face pest he was in 12/13, and while he did have 141 hits (6 highest amongst his team last year) he wasn't as conistent of a physical force as he was in 12/13.

I wouldn't trade Kadri for Kane straight up either, are centres are weak as **** as is.... losing Kadri would really make the Leafs embarassing down the middle.

Leafin'
07-05-2014, 07:44 PM
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Joffrey Lupul ($5.250m) / Steve Ott ($2.500m) / David Clarkson ($5.250m)
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Peter Holland + Cody Franson + James Reimer for Evander Kane

Steve Ott signed to a 1 year deal for the 3rd line.

Bottom pairing defender to pair with Polak would be left to whoever takes the spot at camp. Could be between Finn, Percy, Granberg etc.

LeafOfFaith
07-05-2014, 09:58 PM
I'm not that enthralled by Kane. Especially not if it costs one of our core players.

**** it and just move on to the next option.

...Edmonton.

JackBurton
07-05-2014, 11:38 PM
Martin Brodeur begging for a contract. Just ****ing retire. Roy retired as at least a top 3 NHL goalie.

Pronger84
07-05-2014, 11:40 PM
I don't quite get why you emphasize on Kadri's "disappointing" 50 points season which is really his 2nd full NHL season (and many, many sophomores slump in their 2nd full season) while you completely overlook Kane's past 40 Pts season. Yet, Kadri's PPG season in the shortened season was a 'mirage' and Kane's lone 30G season was 'real'????

Kane and Kadri are both good, young players ... and one's primarily a play maker (but still hit 20G seasons in both full NHL seasons), the other's primarily a power forward goal scorer. But Kane's got 1st line and PP1 icetime over the past 4 seasons, Kadri OTOH has achieved similar numbers with 2nd line icetime. Kane is signed to a rather expensive $5.25M for the next 4 seasons, but Kadri had a cap friendly $2.9M this season before he turns RFA while is gonna be key if you put both on the market right now.

Just want to chime in here-

To me I felt Kadri took a big step back last year and no it had nothing to do with going from a 73 point pace in 12/13 to putting up 50 points... to me it's he was woefully inconsistent in pretty much every area last season. Kadri wasn't the same hard hitting, intense back-checking, piss you off kind of player that he was in 12/13, that's not to say he had a horrible season last year by any stretch because anytime you can put up 50 points with a porcealine doll on arm and a 4th line plug on the other it's a respectable season... but he regressed in key areas.

The upside here is Kadri is 24 and there is a lot of time for him to get back on track, and I fully expect he will be alot more consistent this upcoming season in terms of effort and all around play.

One other thing, he's making $3.1M next year which is still dirt cheap for a 2nd line centre.

number17
07-06-2014, 02:48 PM
THis is his 2nd full season, so I fully expected him (and Gardiner) to take a step back even before the beginning of the season. The fact he was dragged down by 2 terrible wingers (Lupul's 40ish points season, and Clarkson who was terrible, and then the musical chair in Kulemin and Raymond, among others) didn't help, and I was glad he still finished with a 50 points season is pretty good imo.

The thing with Kadri, together with many, many other Leafs, is Kadri plays best when he's playing on the edge. IF he was playing was Quinn, he would be cultivated to play like the killer. However it always seems to me everybody under Carlyle is playing with his nuts cut off. Kadri's emotion is being suppressed instead of directed .

oscarheyman
07-10-2014, 12:36 AM
I'm not a huge fan of Santorelli but he does provide some much needed versatility to the Leafs lineup as he can play all over the place.

A bit late with my comments on Santorelli; he's a "jack of all trades but a master of none" (center, wing, PK, etc.,). Sort of like a swiss army knife.

Kind of ticked that the Canucks didn't re-sign him (as he could be out 2nd best center by default) but that says more about the team's depth than him as a player. Could be a "one hit wonder" but given his contract, it's low risk.

Pucklosopher
07-10-2014, 09:24 AM
With all the players behind the Leafs obvious top-5 forwards, it'll be useful to have a jack-of-all-trades player like Santorelli in the depth charts.

zeke
07-10-2014, 12:20 PM
I like thatbhe's a good skater and a hard worker. He's also ben a solidnpossession guy his whole career. Any offense will be a bonus.

Pronger84
07-10-2014, 05:08 PM
THis is his 2nd full season, so I fully expected him (and Gardiner) to take a step back even before the beginning of the season. The fact he was dragged down by 2 terrible wingers (Lupul's 40ish points season, and Clarkson who was terrible, and then the musical chair in Kulemin and Raymond, among others) didn't help, and I was glad he still finished with a 50 points season is pretty good imo.

The thing with Kadri, together with many, many other Leafs, is Kadri plays best when he's playing on the edge. IF he was playing was Quinn, he would be cultivated to play like the killer. However it always seems to me everybody under Carlyle is playing with his nuts cut off. Kadri's emotion is being suppressed instead of directed .

I disagree that Carlyle is holding Kadri back. Carlyle loves his team to be rugged/aggressive, he's a lot like Pat Quinn and Claude Julien in that respect, he's not the type of coach to hold his players back like that, he can be faulted for a lot of things but Kadri's slight regression isn't one of them. Kadri in 12/13 was a wrecking ball out there who was taking runs at pretty much every player, getting in post whistle scrums, driving the net and even fighting on occasion... he was a beast out there that year. This past year I found his effort level wasn't consistent, he wasn't hitting as much nor was he on the edge (except for the odd incident), that's on Kadri and I don't know why he took a step back but he's only 24 so there's still alot of time to improve in terms of conistency and effort.

I do agree though, Kadri is at his best when he's in the thick of things and playing on the edge, it seems to bring out his best traits.

Rumpleforeskin
07-12-2014, 12:30 PM
I'm 100% sure the coaching staff told him to stop running around and mixing it up. Due to concern he'd get suspended again.
There was a quote about it some where