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hockeylover
07-14-2014, 12:12 PM
HFBoards just voted on our prospects. Here's what they came up with:

1. William Nylander
2. Matt Finn
3. Frederik Gauthier
4. Josh Leivo
5. Stuart Percy
6. Connor Brown
7. Petter Granberg
8. Andreas Johnson
9. Carter Verhaeghe
10. Carter Ashton

Thoughts? People's own lists?

leafman101
07-14-2014, 12:15 PM
If bump gauthier down to bellow Brown and verhaeghe above gauthier.

And drop Ashton. There has to be someone better than Ashton.

Habspatrol
07-14-2014, 12:18 PM
I'm guessing it's supposed to say "Summer 2014"

I'll change it for ya.

hockeylover
07-14-2014, 12:22 PM
I'm guessing it's supposed to say "Summer 2014"

I'll change it for ya.

Thank you.

hockeylover
07-14-2014, 12:23 PM
If bump gauthier down to bellow Brown and verhaeghe above gauthier.

And drop Ashton. There has to be someone better than Ashton.

Here's who is left:

Tom Nilsson
Tony Cameranesi
Tyler Biggs
Victor Loov
Chris Gibson
Greg McKegg
Eric Knodel
Dominic Toninato
Brad Ross
Garret Sparks
Fabrice Herzog
Andrew MacWilliam
Sam Carrick
Antoine Bibeau
Rinat Valiev
David Broll
Max Everson
Jamie Devane
Brandon Kozun
Ryan Rupert
Kenny Ryan
John Piccinich
Josh Dakota
Nolan Vesey
Pierre Engvall

leafman101
07-14-2014, 12:28 PM
1. Nylander
2. Finn
3. Leivo
4. Percy
5. Brown
6. Vergaeghe
7. Gauthier
8. Granberg
9. Johnson
10. Nilsson



Pickings are slim after 9.

Blueman
07-14-2014, 12:36 PM
No love for Loov?

Metalleaf
07-14-2014, 12:40 PM
I'd say Loov has moved a bit.

Artnes
07-14-2014, 12:42 PM
He has been getting a lot of hype recently. Another Bergman special I hope

leafman101
07-14-2014, 12:44 PM
He's still a big time project at this point. A few years away from maybe being where granberg or Nilsson are.

hockeylover
07-14-2014, 12:45 PM
He's still a big time project at this point. A few years away from maybe being where granberg or Nilsson are.

They seem to think he's got a shot this season.

zeke
07-14-2014, 01:04 PM
HFBoards just voted on our prospects. Here's what they came up with:

1. William Nylander
2. Matt Finn
3. Frederik Gauthier
4. Josh Leivo
5. Stuart Percy
6. Connor Brown
7. Petter Granberg
8. Andreas Johnson
9. Carter Verhaeghe
10. Carter Ashton

Thoughts? People's own lists?

That's actually not bad.

The top 9 are definitely our top 9, even if you quibble with the order a bit.

#10 has a whole bunch of candidates - ashton, carrick, mckegg, loov, nilsson, macwilliam, sparks, bibeau could all slip into that #10 spot.

I'd lean towards carrick or bibeau myself, though i haven't seen loov or nilsson play and by reports they may be right up there too.

MyNameIsJonas
07-14-2014, 01:08 PM
My how far Tyler Biggs has fallen.

hockeylover
07-14-2014, 01:14 PM
Game in 6 minutes from Prospect Camp Scrimmage.

http://video.mapleleafs.nhl.com/videocenter/console?catid=802&id=628378&lang=en

Just watching it now... Nylander >>>

Artnes
07-14-2014, 01:23 PM
Its been said a few times that it looks like he is playing shinny out there. A notch above everyone else

zeke
07-14-2014, 01:57 PM
The kid is ridic.

I never do any predraft prospecting, but i was shocked watching video of him after we drafted him, especially since this was a drafte that wssn't supposed to have much elite talent at the top. I really don't get how he didn't go higher.

leafman101
07-14-2014, 02:06 PM
Nylander plays the game at a completely different speed than those guys. He's probably an NHLer now.

number17
07-14-2014, 02:11 PM
My how far Tyler Biggs has fallen.
Fallen assumes he was at one point up there ... to many of the fans here, he never was.

And btw looking at these scrimmages video's, Brown hasn't looked good at all.

Rumpleforeskin
07-14-2014, 02:24 PM
Fallen assumes he was at one point up there ... to many of the fans here, he never was.

And btw looking at these scrimmages video's, Brown hasn't looked good at all.

media impressions that I read, said he was playing very well just no "puck luck"

LeafOfFaith
07-14-2014, 02:32 PM
HFBoards just voted on our prospects. Here's what they came up with:

1. William Nylander
2. Matt Finn
3. Frederik Gauthier
4. Josh Leivo
5. Stuart Percy
6. Connor Brown
7. Petter Granberg
8. Andreas Johnson
9. Carter Verhaeghe
10. Carter Ashton

Thoughts? People's own lists?

Toldja on Finn >> Percy.

But how is Brown not #2 given the season he just had?

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 02:36 PM
Most people on here will agree that Finn has the higher ceiling. Percy has the higher floor and is the more NHL-ready of the two though.

I think a Finn-Percy pairing in a few years could be very solid though.

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 02:37 PM
Toldja on Finn >> Percy.

But how is Brown not #2 given the season he just had?

He was a 20 year-old. Plus this:

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/142/files/2012/10/Erie-Otters-15-year-old-centre-Connor-McDavid-Mike-Carroccetto-photo.jpg

LeafGm
07-14-2014, 02:37 PM
Toldja on Finn >> Percy.

But how is Brown not #2 given the season he just had?
Who thinks Percy is a better prospect than Finn?

zeke
07-14-2014, 02:46 PM
Brown was not a 20yr old. He's a '94.

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 02:53 PM
Brown was not a 20yr old. He's a '94.

He's a January 1994. He played over half of the scheduled regular-season games and the entire playoffs as a 20 year-old.

zeke
07-14-2014, 03:03 PM
He was not an overager.

Artnes
07-14-2014, 03:04 PM
Im sure someone posted an article showing the majority of his production was without McDavid

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 03:06 PM
He was not an overager.

I didn't say he was an over-ager. I said he was a 20 year-old. He would have been 21 year-old had he been an over-ager.


He was a 20 year-old.


He's a January 1994. He played over half of the scheduled regular-season games and the entire playoffs as a 20 year-old.

Volcanologist
07-14-2014, 03:08 PM
Isn't it how old they are when they start a particular season...?

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 03:09 PM
Isn't it how old they are when they start a particular season...?

It is if they want to return for an over-age season, yeah. And the September 15 draft cut-off date is used to determine draft eligibility. We're getting bogged down with semantics here though. Pretty sure Brown got to play with a 64 goal Fox (who WAS an over-ager) for substantial stretches too.

He's a decent prospect, but I wouldn't read too much into his OHL statistics. 19 and 20 year-olds have huge massive advantages over the field.

MindzEye
07-14-2014, 03:18 PM
Im sure someone posted an article showing the majority of his production was without McDavid

This is true, I remember the article. While McDavid was gone (if memory serves, once with injury and once for WJHC), Brown's production stayed consistent.


With that said, this was Brown's 2nd post draft season and though a good sign if he's going to be one of the 1.2ppg outliers, but in all likelihood, he'll never be a 30G or 60pt player.

hockeylover
07-14-2014, 03:23 PM
Toldja on Finn >> Percy.

But how is Brown not #2 given the season he just had?

What the ****?

zeke
07-14-2014, 03:31 PM
I didn't say he was an over-ager. I said he was a 20 year-old. He would have been 21 year-old had he been an over-ager.

As a prospect hound, you know full well that last year was his "19yr old" season, and that calling a kid in junior a 20yr old is the same as calling him an overager.

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 03:34 PM
As a prospect hound, you know full well that last year was his "19yr old" season, and that calling a kid in junior a 20yr old is the same as calling him an overager.

He was 20 for a majority of the games he played last season. I never referred to him as an over-ager. That was you.

I'm not interested in discussing semantics anyways.

The point is that 19 and 20 year-olds have a huge advantage over the less physically developed teenagers they play against, receive much more ice-time and offensive opportunities, and generally run the field in the scoring charts for the most part. Whether Brown was 19 or 20 is immaterial to me.

He was still in his second post-draft season and he's nothing more than a middling prospect until he demonstrates otherwise. Plenty of marginal talents end up putting up big numbers at those ages in the CHL. Mindz is right in pointing out that his first post-draft season would have been the stronger indicator and he was less than impressive then (barely a PPG).

zeke
07-14-2014, 03:38 PM
You knowingly implied something that wasn't true.

Connor brown was a 19yr old in his 2nd post draft season, ineligible to play in the AHL. His age is a typical age for junior prospects, as all but the elite prospects are still in junior at his age. Implying that age is a negative for him in any way is wrong.

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 03:42 PM
I didn't imply anything. You might put stock into over-inflated offensive totals from a guy who is one of the older players in the league, but I don't view it as impressive.

But you love almost every Leafs prospect so your over-exuberance is par for the course. I'm realistic.

zeke
07-14-2014, 03:44 PM
Pretty much every prospect is still in junior at his age.

Stop being dumb.

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 03:45 PM
What are you expecting from Connor Brown?

zeke
07-14-2014, 03:47 PM
Too early to tell, but the comp i used last year was clarke macarthur.

JaysCyYoung
07-14-2014, 03:53 PM
That's not a bad one. If the Leafs are able to draft guys like that consistently in rounds four through seven you'll see a lot less asinine expensive contracts being handed out to tweeners and second/third-line veterans. Rotate in and out of the system like Chicago does so adeptly, replacing the guys as they become too expensive.

Metalleaf
07-14-2014, 06:09 PM
What the ****?

LOF's new thing now that Kulemin's gone.

trujaysfan
07-14-2014, 06:11 PM
What we have been hearing about Loov is really encouraging, I also have some hope that MacWilliam can be a solid #6 Dman from seeing him last year he appears to be huge, physical, mean and can skate.

leafman101
07-14-2014, 06:15 PM
I'm pretty sure Browns productions dropped when McDavid was at the world juniors, but it was still well above 1.2 ppg just not some insane production.

leafman101
07-14-2014, 06:17 PM
There is a reason that the pros like Percy and Granberg aren't at the prospect camp. They are too good for it. They'd look more like Nylander than Finn.

leafman101
07-14-2014, 06:20 PM
While McDavid was at the WJC Brown scored 3 goals and 11 points in 8 games (1.37 ppg).

The rest of the year he scored 42 goals and 117 points in 60 games (1.95 ppg).

From all reports he is a really hard working kid, that is a leader on his team and scored at a top 6 NHL rate even without McDavid.

zeke
07-14-2014, 07:25 PM
also remember that he just missed the magic 1.2 mark the year before, finishing at 1.1.

and then add in that for the first 52gms that season he actually did score at 1.2ppg, but then petered out at the end with only 7pts in his last 11gms, bringing him down to 1.1 on the year. Then add in that judging by the fact that he only played 9gms in february, and there was a 5-day gap in between games 52 and 53....and it looks to me like he picked up an injury of some kind in february that year.

rated
07-14-2014, 08:16 PM
I'm pretty sure Browns productions dropped when McDavid was at the world juniors, but it was still well above 1.2 ppg just not some insane production.

I'm not even sure Brown and Mcdavid were line-mates all year. Brown + fox was the main line for Erie.

leafman101
07-14-2014, 08:42 PM
I'm pretty sure Brown-McDavid-Fox was the line. Either way with PP time and shifts at ES they played enough games together to not completely ignore that.

rated
07-14-2014, 09:04 PM
I'm pretty sure Brown-McDavid-Fox was the line. Either way with PP time and shifts at ES they played enough games together to not completely ignore that.

Not really.

“Through the season, [Brown and McDavid] have probably been on the same line for only half the games,” said Otters head coach Kris Knoblauch, who has played Brown with Dane Fox (90 points) and Brendan Gaunce (57 points)."

http://sports.nationalpost.com/2014/02/14/toronto-maple-leafs-prospect-connor-brown-playing-beyond-expectations/

This is good for Brown, he's not leeching off McDavid, Fox is leeching off Brown.

leafman101
07-14-2014, 09:27 PM
So Brown and McDavid played at least half of the games and the PP together. I don't see how that changes anything.