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Volcanologist
07-21-2014, 11:09 AM
https://twitter.com/simmonssteve

zeke
07-21-2014, 11:12 AM
as expected.

Killer93
07-21-2014, 11:19 AM
Bigger question is if he will be on the opening day roster

Volcanologist
07-21-2014, 11:34 AM
Mirtle:


Was told early in weekend that Leafs would settle in $3.25-million range. Same source said Franson would then be dealt, so we'll see

hockeylover
07-21-2014, 11:38 AM
Mirtle:

Very interesting. Guess that solves that issue then.

Wonder where he goes/what he gets at this point.

LeafGm
07-21-2014, 11:43 AM
A mid-range prospect or a 2nd round pick would be my guess at Franson's return, if they deal him on his own. If he's part of a larger package, then who knows.

Pucklosopher
07-21-2014, 11:44 AM
I'd happily trade Franson for a useful player, like Gorges would have been. Or a forward prospect. But not a pick, assuming that the Leafs would not get a 1st for him.

zeke
07-21-2014, 11:50 AM
the move they should be making is packaging something like Holland, Franson, and Reimer for one good player, even if that player might be overpaid.

Leafin'
07-21-2014, 11:53 AM
Evander Kane!

MindzEye
07-21-2014, 11:53 AM
the move they should be making is packaging something like Holland, Franson, and Reimer for one good player, even if that player might be overpaid.

Agreed. Those 3 for something like Wideman + would be a good idea.

Metalleaf
07-21-2014, 11:53 AM
Yeah I don't want to waste Fransons assets for a middling pick.

Volcanologist
07-21-2014, 11:57 AM
It won't be a pick. The leafs will be looking to get a useful player in return a la Gorges.

MyNameIsJonas
07-21-2014, 12:32 PM
I can see Dallas, San Jose, Minnesota, Detroit, and Brooklyn looking for an offensive defenseman.

Maybe to Arizona, with things for Yandle, who they seemingly don't want to pay.

leafman101
07-21-2014, 12:47 PM
I'd trade him for a pick. Don't forget he is basically a rental at this point. He'll be gone after next season for nothing.

The Sens got nothing for Spezza.

Leafin'
07-21-2014, 12:55 PM
Yandle is a stud.

Yandle - Phaneuf would be an interesting combo.

Montana
07-21-2014, 01:12 PM
Leafs will take what they can get.....preferably they'd want to package him with other assets for a more meaningful piece (which is always the preferred route, but often the least available), deal him for a useful player ala Gorges, or deal him for a pick so that we don't lose him for nothing.

They may also feel that keeping him, and dealing him as a rental at the deadline might be a viable option if no worthwhile trade offers come their way right now.

Only option that isn't very likely, is him being a Leaf all year and leaving for nothing next summer.

leafman101
07-21-2014, 01:18 PM
Franson isn't some young dman with upside anymore. He'll be 27 in a couple of weeks, can't play defense, is a rental player, is a PP specialist and only scored 33 points last year getting ~3 min/game on the PP so he isn't even a very good pp specialist.

I wouldn't be holding my breath for a great return. And I'd prefer a pick over another big contract like Georges.

BG
07-21-2014, 04:20 PM
I really don't understand the hate fro Franson - he had his hiccups last season, but I like what he brings. The toughest part is finding his ideal partner, he played well with a shutdown guy on his pairing.

The guy is currently our best powerplay option on the right-side. Nice movement, hard low shot, and an uncanny ability to knock pucks down on the dump.

As for salary, we got him at a bargain last season due to the cap being artificially reduced - it should be no surprise that he got a raise.

LeafGm
07-21-2014, 04:46 PM
Wanting Franson gone doesn't mean you "hate" him. He's just superfluous at this point. There's just no need for this team to keep an expensive power-play specialist who can only play bottom-pairing minutes 5-on-five. Not when we've got Phaneuf, Rielly and Gardiner already in the lineup, and a few other young defensemen with offensive potential knocking at the door.

There are better ways to use that cap-space, and it's past time that we actually gave some of our young defensemen an actual crack at an NHL roster spot. If he comes back, Franson will be standing in their way.

leafman101
07-21-2014, 04:56 PM
I hate him.

I would much prefer Dion as the trigerman on the right side of the PP seeing as how he is the third highest scoring D man in the NHL since he entered the league with 114 goals and Franson scored a grand total of 1 PP goal last year. And then with Dion on the off wing you actually get one timer opportunities on the PP like every other PP in the league, and a better playmaker in Rielly or Gardiner as the QB.

hockeylover
07-21-2014, 06:42 PM
24. Word is Calgary would also like to make another move on the blue-line. Dennis Wideman's name is out there, but the defender does have protection. I think the Flames looked at Cody Franson, but that's a complex transaction because the Leafs don't want to give him away and he's only got a year before free agency.

- Friedman

Leafin'
07-21-2014, 06:48 PM
I don't hate him.

I think he might have a good year this year. I'm not sure who he will be paired with though. If Phaneuf is playing RD then not sure how you fit Robidas, Franson and Polak on the right side. One of them will be playing the off side and/or will be sitting in the box.

Franson has some good qualities. Play him with a steady partner and i think you see him excel.

So many different variations we can go with.

Volcanologist
07-21-2014, 06:52 PM
Hate Franson intensely.

I don't normally subscribe to the addition by subtraction theory, but I really think it will apply in this case. Guy has size and a decent shot but is totally braindead in his own zone and doesn't skate that well to boot.

LeafOfFaith
07-21-2014, 06:59 PM
He's highly inconsistent and unreliable.

I hated him when he first arrived, then loved him in the playoffs two years ago, and then hated him again last year.

I'm ready for the experiment to be over.

blacksheep
07-21-2014, 07:47 PM
I don't mind the deal, especially the 1yr part, but let's be honest: Franson won't be traded this season. At some point early in the season, it will be established that his points are needed on this team, and they'll keep him here.
And the other 29 teams will be glad to know our biggest hole on defense is still there...

LeafGm
07-21-2014, 08:43 PM
I don't mind the deal, especially the 1yr part, but let's be honest: Franson won't be traded this season. At some point early in the season, it will be established that his points are needed on this team, and they'll keep him here.
And the other 29 teams will be glad to know our biggest hole on defense is still there...
He will, unless you think the Leafs will also:

A) Let him walk as an unrestricted free agent next summer
B) Re-sign him long-term for more than $4.5M per season

JackBurton
07-21-2014, 09:13 PM
Franson will have a big year imo.

Rumpleforeskin
07-22-2014, 09:22 AM
He will, unless you think the Leafs will also:

A) Let him walk as an unrestricted free agent next summer
B) Re-sign him long-term for more than $4.5M per season

To be honest, this wouldn't surprise me in the slightest

blacksheep
07-23-2014, 10:44 PM
Franson will have a big year imo.

Most giveaways resulting in a goal against?

Wayward DP
07-24-2014, 01:30 AM
Franson sucks. I'd be fine just giving him away.

JackBurton
07-26-2014, 09:42 AM
Franson sucks. I'd be fine just giving him away.

No. He has decent value.

leafman101
07-26-2014, 09:43 AM
Does he? He was moved for a guy that was later traded for a 2nd. He;s a rental player that isn't very good.

zeke
07-26-2014, 10:58 AM
A high 2nd is value.

leafman101
07-26-2014, 11:39 AM
They traded Minnesota's 2nd in 2016.

Leafin'
07-26-2014, 09:19 PM
Watch franson put up 40+ this year.

My biggest concern this upcoming season is well probably see Carlyle play polak on the top pairing with phaneuf.

JackBurton
07-27-2014, 09:44 AM
Yeah, Franson will have a good statistical year.

MindzEye
07-27-2014, 09:52 AM
Yeah, Franson will have a good statistical year.

With Randy's influence on the roster waning, I think you'll see a lot more of a meritocracy. If Jake or Rielly are tearing shit up, they'll get opportunities on the top pairing. If Franson isn't getting top pairing PP work, he won't have a great year statistically.

leafman101
07-27-2014, 09:55 AM
Yeah, there is no reason for Franson to be on the top PP unit and that is where all of his points come from. Passing the puck to Kessel on the PP.

Pronger84
07-27-2014, 11:08 AM
I'd happily trade Franson for a useful player, like Gorges would have been. Or a forward prospect. But not a pick, assuming that the Leafs would not get a 1st for him.

You do realize Nonis gave up 3 2nd rounders in a years span right? Heres the thing most teams nowadays are built through the draft due to the salary cap, very few teams build through free agency and trades... which makes it essential to stockpile on picks. If a guy like Franson can net you a 2nd rounder then it's a no brainer you pull the trigger, sure there aren't a lot of elite players in the 2nd round but hell there are often gems still kicking around.

Pronger84
07-27-2014, 11:10 AM
Yeah, there is no reason for Franson to be on the top PP unit and that is where all of his points come from. Passing the puck to Kessel on the PP.

I have my beef with Franson (guy is an all around ****tard) BUT the guy does have a rocket of a shot and a knack for getting it through to the net, to me there's no issue having him out there on the first PP unit at least for the first portion of next season and if he falters then yes replace him with a guy like Gardiner or Rielly.

leafman101
07-27-2014, 11:19 AM
I comlpetely disagree. Phaneuf is much better on that side, then he has the one timer available and he is one of the best goal scoring dmen in the league. Way better than Franson. Franson only has 3 PP goals over the last two years combined so his "great" shot hasn't been scoring goals.

And Rielly was the Leafs most efficent PP producer last year on the blueline. 5.18 p/60 on the PP. Only Kadri was better. Franson just isn't one of the Leafs top two PP dmen.

Volcanologist
07-27-2014, 11:22 AM
Franson's at the curb, we're just waiting for recycling day now.

Blueman
07-27-2014, 11:24 AM
Franson should surprise this year. I think he plays hard going after his next contract. This should increase his trade value or conversely his value to the Leafs. Win/Win.

leafman101
07-27-2014, 12:04 PM
Are people forgetting how good and talented Gardiner and Rielly are? For Franson to have a good year he'll have to take ice time away from them on PP or in the top 4. With Robidas here now the only way to get Franson into top 4 minutes is by moving Phaneuf to the left side. That would mean moving the teams best defesman away from his strong side and blocking Rielly or Gardiner from top four minutes.

If you want Franson to have a productive season he'll also need the top line PP minutes. Again to do that means you are moving your best dman way from his strong side, and taking away ice time from Rielly and Gardiner.

The only way for Franson to have a big season is at the expense of ice time to Rielly and Gardiner and moving Phaneuf away from his strong side. To me that is just ****ing insane.

Even if Franson didn't suck balls defensively he has no future here. He will be a UFA after this season and he will be gone . Rielly and Gardiner are the future of this team, and they are way more talented than Cody Franson. But they aren't just the future. They were just as good, if not better, last season too.

ESp/60
1. Rielly - 0.80
2. Franson - 0.72
3. Gardiner - 0.71

PPg/60
1. Gardiner - 0.68
2. Rielly - 0.48
3. Franson - 0.00

PPp/60
1. Rielly - 5.18
2. Franson - 4.04
3. Gardiner - 3.05

Corsi Rel
1. Gardiner - 14.8
2. Franson - 8.3
3. Rielly - 4.

GAon/60
1. Gardiner - 2.17
2. Franson - 3.08
3. Rielly - 3.11

Scoring
1. Franson - 79 gp, 5 gls, 33 pts
2. Gardiner - 80 gp, 10 gls, 31 pts
3. Rielly - 75 gp, 2 gls, 27 pts

However, Rielly and Gardiner really picked it up the second half of the seasons. In his last 34 games Rielly had 15 points (36 point pace), compared to 12 points in his first 41 games (24 point pace). Gardiner had 14 points in his last 21 games (55 point pace).

Franson really didn't bring anything to the table offensively that Gardiner and Rielly didn't also bring last year. Only he is 27 and those guys are 21 and 24 and getting better every year.

The reality is putting Franson in a situation to have a good year just takes opportunity away from two of the most important players in the organization and it doesn't even make the team any better now. If Franson is here next year he has to play on the third pair and get second unit PP time.

leafman101
07-27-2014, 12:04 PM
Just to remind you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49W412SkO0

leafman101
07-27-2014, 12:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrkoKj9q7zg

Rielly and Gardiner are so ****ing talented. Play those guys.

MindzEye
07-27-2014, 12:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrkoKj9q7zg

Rielly and Gardiner are so ****ing talented. Play those guys.

Yeah, both have the potential to be the special type of game breaking players that make a massive difference for a club. Franson, who I've argued for in the past, hasn't taken any additional steps we had hoped for. He's not useless or valueless, but there's just too much skill at the position in the organization to justify giving him that type of premium role.

Pronger84
07-27-2014, 01:27 PM
The only value Franson has is his shot, most of his points come from firing shots from the blueline but outside of that he is is utterly useless. He's not fast enough to keep up with the big boys, his passing isn't up to speed with guys like Gardiner/Rielly, he's a big bodied guy but he's not overly physical and not to mention he's prone to 1-2 significant errors each game often times resulting in a direct goal against.

Phaneuf puts up 30-40 points while playing a key defensive role, Gardiner is a pure thoroughbred blueliner who at 24 has already put up 2 30 plus point seasons and then theres Rielly who looks like a bluechip guy. The Leafs clearly feel Franson IS expendable, hell they had his ass on the next flight out of town to Montreal and the only reason he is still here is because the Leafs couldn't get the player they desired so they are hanging onto him but make no mistake Franson's days as a Leaf are numbered.

Rumpleforeskin
07-27-2014, 04:47 PM
Just to remind you:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R49W412SkO0

that video made me happy

UWHabs
07-27-2014, 09:58 PM
Thinking about it, the way to maximize his value is you play him decently the first half of the year, but you trade him at the deadline. A guy like Franson could potentially net a late first as a deadline rental.

Cojo
07-28-2014, 06:56 AM
That is a tough move to make if you are in the playoff picture, but definitely the best way to maximize value.

Pronger84
07-28-2014, 06:31 PM
Franson's value is at an all time high NOW, guy is coming off his best offensive season AND he has a contract to boot. The problem is the Leafs seem to overvalue what Franson is worth and IMO is why he hasn't been dealt yet.... eventually he will though and I don't see him sticking around past the upcoming trade deadline day.

JackBurton
07-28-2014, 09:49 PM
You think his value is that high? I think it's lower than this time last year.

Leafin'
07-29-2014, 06:33 AM
I think management and coaching will give him an opportunity at camp to see if he can secure a spot in the lineup.

I think there's a trade somewhere in the pipeline. It would be nice if we can a quantity for quality type deal.

Pronger84
07-29-2014, 02:16 PM
Right now our blueline is Phaneuf/Gardiner/Rielly/Polak/Robidas, so yes Franson has a spot going into camp. I do think though he's gone as soon as the Leafs find the right trading partner, he'll be gone before trade deadline day.

Metalleaf
07-29-2014, 02:24 PM
Paul Hendrick speculated that a trade could happen, but not until near the end of training camp.

MyNameIsJonas
07-30-2014, 12:41 AM
Franson's value is at an all time high NOW, guy is coming off his best offensive season AND he has a contract to boot. The problem is the Leafs seem to overvalue what Franson is worth and IMO is why he hasn't been dealt yet.... eventually he will though and I don't see him sticking around past the upcoming trade deadline day.

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