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SnagglepussLuvHabs
08-10-2014, 12:40 AM
2014 Port Coquitlam Big Blue

QB
Colin Kaepernick SF
Phillip Rivers SD
Matt Barkley Phi**

RB
LeSean McCoy Phi
Terrance West Cle***
Johnathan Franklin GB**

WR
Vincent Jackson TB
Larry Fitzgerald Ari
Alshon Jeffrey Chi*
Ryan Broyles Det*

TE
Tyler Eifert Cin**

K

DEF

DB

DL

LB


* Rookie Keeper - 1 Yr Left
** Rookie Keeper - 2 Yrs Left
*** Rookie Keeper - 3 Yrs Left

Alphabits
08-10-2014, 01:18 AM
Adrian Peterson
Alfred Morris
Jordy Nelson
Aaron Rodgers
Jordan Cameron

Rookies
Montee Ball**
Brandon Weeden***
Trent Richardson***
Robert Woods**

Habspatrol
08-10-2014, 02:00 AM
QB
Matthew Stafford
Jay Cutler

WR
Anquan Boldin
Tavon Austin **
Jordan Matthews ***

RB
Darren McFadden
Andre Ellington **
Doug Martin **

TE
Jimmy Graham

Julius.22
08-10-2014, 03:30 PM
QB
Eli Manning NYG
Sam Bradford STL

RB
Matt Forte CHI
DeMarco Murray DAL
Chris Johnson NYJ
Giovani Bernard CIN**
Marcus Lattimore SF**

WR
Markus Wheaton**
Josh Gordon*
Justin Blackmon*
Michael Floyd*

Alphabits
08-10-2014, 08:33 PM
trade for someone on the block lol

Toberone
08-11-2014, 10:02 AM
QB
Andrew Luck - Indianapolis Colts *
Johnny Manziel - Cleveland Browns ***

RB
Jamaal Charles - Kansas City Chiefs
Ronnie Hillman - Denver Broncos *
Andre Williams - New York Giants ***

WR
Desean Jackson - Washington Redskins
TY Hilton - Indianapolis Colts
Brian Quick - St. Louis Rams *
Torrey Smith - Baltimore Ravens
DeAndre Hopkins - Houston Texans **
John Brown - Arizona Cardinals ***

TE
Ladarius Green - San Diego Chargers
Zach Erst - Philadelphia Eagles **

leafman101
08-11-2014, 10:34 AM
QB
Cam Newton - Carolina Panthers
Nick Foles - Philadelphia Eagles
Geno Smith - New York Jets **

RB
CJ Spiller - Buffalo Bills
Carlos Hyde - San Francisco 49ers ***

WR
Michael Crabtree - San Francisco 49ers
Reuben Randle - New York Giants *
Quinton Patton - San Franscisco 49ers **

TE
Julius Thomas - Denver Broncos

Deckie007
08-13-2014, 08:04 PM
QB

Andy Dalton
Teddy Bridgewater***

RB

Eddie Lacey**
Lamar Miller*
Ben Tate

WR

Randall Cobb
Victor Cruz
Kenbrell Thompkins**
Davante Adams***

TE

Rob Gronkowski

Killersweet
08-15-2014, 08:35 AM
2014 Tentative Keepers:

Carson Palmer QB
Antonio Brown WR
A. J. Green WR
Dez Bryant WR
Julio Jones WR

ROOKIES:
Robert Griffin QB *
Christine Michael RB **
Joseph Randle RB **

Kritter
08-16-2014, 02:18 PM
Before I post my keepers I need to know exactly how this league works because basically I have no idea :)

What's this footsballs you are all talking about?

axlsalinger
08-16-2014, 02:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/C4YLDZD.jpg

Kritter
08-16-2014, 02:22 PM
Ok.. Im drafting Pele

Kritter
08-16-2014, 02:30 PM
Tom Brady QB NE
Maurice Jones-Drew RB
Brandon Marshall WR
Wes Welker WR
Hakeem Nicks WR


ROOKIES:
EJ Manuel QB **
LaMichael James RB *
Justin Hunter WR **
Coby Fleener TE *

Habsy
08-16-2014, 07:02 PM
Wow, Kritter took the crap team. Good luck man. I was on the fence on taking that one.

Since I'm new here I'll need a little latitude if I make a mistake. I was told rookies are kept 3 years regardless of games played and non-winner teams keep players? Is that correct?

Habsy
08-16-2014, 07:40 PM
QB
Peyton Manning
Russell Wilson*

WR
Andre Johnson
Pierre Garcon
Kendall Wright **
Aaron Dobson **

RB
Ryan Mathews
Reggie Bush
Le'Veon Bell **


TE

Habspatrol
08-16-2014, 08:13 PM
Yes Habsy you appear to have the rules figured out.

I think Kritter is gonna be okay. He has some good pieces plus the first rookie pick and FA pick.

Killersweet
08-16-2014, 08:23 PM
I was going to take the team that Habsy took over, as it looked more balanced. But couldn't resist all the WRs on the team I took over.

Kritter
08-17-2014, 01:03 PM
Wow, Kritter took the crap team. Good luck man. I was on the fence on taking that one.



:)
Not like I had any choice. Was the only team left.

Killer has far and away the best WR corp in the league. Sick

Habsy
08-17-2014, 01:25 PM
At least it got you Sammy Watkins.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
08-17-2014, 01:37 PM
Did we come up with a deadline for declaring keepers?

Kritter
08-17-2014, 01:37 PM
Wow, Kritter took the crap team. Good luck man. I was on the fence on taking that one.

Since I'm new here I'll need a little latitude if I make a mistake. I was told rookies are kept 3 years regardless of games played and non-winner teams keep players? Is that correct?

If you knew the team was drafting #1 would you have taken it?

Habspatrol
08-17-2014, 01:39 PM
Did we come up with a deadline for declaring keepers?

Yesterday I believe.

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 01:44 PM
Haha, guess I missed the deadline.

Not sure we ever gave an exact date for it, let's try to get them in today (so deadline = Monday morning) I'll post mine in a second, looks like we are missing one team after that.

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 02:08 PM
QB Drew Brees
RB Frank Gore
RB Zac Stacy
WR Calvin Johnson
WR Danny Amendola
TE Jason Witten

QB Ryan Tannehill *
RB Robert Turbin *
WR Cordarrelle Patterson **
WR Keenan Allen **

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 03:46 PM
I guess everyone's keepers are now listed except for Neal4Real. If any teams listed more than 5 guys temporarily, just about time to finalize.

Kritter
08-17-2014, 03:48 PM
Should we grab our keepers in fantrax?

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 04:04 PM
I think HP was planning to add them ... we'll check with him to see where he's at with that.

Neal4Real
08-17-2014, 04:09 PM
I'll put them in tonight because I have some trades on the go here... everyone okay with that ?

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 04:10 PM
Yeah, no problem.

Neal4Real
08-17-2014, 04:14 PM
Habsy Russel Wilson should only have one year left or am I wrong?

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 04:20 PM
It may not have been mentioned to him at any point, but yeah, we generally use one * to signify one year left for rookie rights, ** for 2 years and *** for 3.

Habspatrol
08-17-2014, 04:50 PM
I think HP was planning to add them ... we'll check with him to see where he's at with that.

I asked you if you wanted me to and you said that you had it under control.

Habspatrol
08-17-2014, 04:51 PM
Habsy Russel Wilson should only have one year left or am I wrong?

Some people have used a * for each year they've been kept. I always use one * per remaining season.

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 05:43 PM
I asked you if you wanted me to and you said that you had it under control.

Haha, just checked the pm's. I think you said if I added you as a commish, you'd input the keepers. I said I'd do that later tonight. I meant adding you as a commish lol, guess you thought I meant inputting the keepers.

If you're still able to do so, it would be helpful. I've been working on the D/ST scoring, it's extremely close now, looking at teams' point totals for the year a lot of them are the same, some are off by 2-3 points (for the whole year). I can't figure out why, it's probably something to do with decimal scoring but I think it's close enough. Don't think there are any teams off by more than 3 points for the year.

Habsy
08-17-2014, 06:34 PM
It may not have been mentioned to him at any point, but yeah, we generally use one * to signify one year left for rookie rights, ** for 2 years and *** for 3.

Ah, my other league we use how many years he's played per asterisk. I'll fix it.

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 06:54 PM
I have seen it written both ways, no big deal.

Habspatrol
08-17-2014, 08:23 PM
Haha, just checked the pm's. I think you said if I added you as a commish, you'd input the keepers. I said I'd do that later tonight. I meant adding you as a commish lol, guess you thought I meant inputting the keepers.

If you're still able to do so, it would be helpful. I've been working on the D/ST scoring, it's extremely close now, looking at teams' point totals for the year a lot of them are the same, some are off by 2-3 points (for the whole year). I can't figure out why, it's probably something to do with decimal scoring but I think it's close enough. Don't think there are any teams off by more than 3 points for the year.

:lol

I totally thought you meant you'd add the keepers later that night. I'm doing some renos at home but I'll try to get some if not all entered.

axlsalinger
08-17-2014, 08:29 PM
Come to think of it, that probably made more sense on your end, since it only takes a minute to add commish powers. But I was not at home at the time and don't like messing with Fantrax settings using a cell phone or tablet, so I figured I'd wait till I got home.

Habspatrol
08-17-2014, 09:00 PM
Zac Erst - Philadelphia Eagles **

:explode

Zach Ertz


Took me forever to find him and add him to your team with your spelling.

Toberone
08-17-2014, 09:32 PM
Sorry....I can't spell lol:smilewinkgrin:

Habspatrol
08-17-2014, 09:56 PM
Well once Neal posts his keepers I can finish off the keepers.

Neal4Real
08-17-2014, 10:03 PM
QB

Matt Ryan
Tony Romo

RB

Marshawn Lynch
Arian Foster

WR

Damarious Thomas

Habspatrol
08-17-2014, 10:05 PM
QB

Matt Ryan
Tony Romo

RB

Marshawn Lynch
Arian Foster

WR

Damarious Thomas

You have no rookies?

SnagglepussLuvHabs
08-17-2014, 11:05 PM
Can you remove rashad Jennings from my team on fantrax - he was my tentative keeper

Neal4Real
08-18-2014, 12:20 AM
Nope no rookies for me...

Habspatrol
08-18-2014, 12:30 AM
Can you remove rashad Jennings from my team on fantrax - he was my tentative keeper

Done.

Habspatrol
08-18-2014, 12:30 AM
Nope no rookies for me...

Wow... how's that even possible? You haven't had a rookie pick in 3 years?

Neal4Real
08-18-2014, 02:00 PM
I traded a lot of my picks away. I did win it in 2011 I believe, so I think I made the right trades for my team at that point. Unfortunately I'm paying the cost now.

Habspatrol
08-18-2014, 02:07 PM
Wow... seems weird that you don't have a single rookie pick.

Agreed though... a title is worth it.

Deckie007
08-19-2014, 04:25 PM
Feel like an ass asking, but can I change one of my keepers, or is it too late?

Habspatrol
08-19-2014, 04:40 PM
Is it based on any injury or something that's happened since the deadline? Or a change of heart?

Deckie007
08-19-2014, 04:49 PM
Change of heart.

Habspatrol
08-19-2014, 06:36 PM
I personally don't have a problem with it. Does anyone else?

Deckie007
08-19-2014, 08:06 PM
Alright, if no one is bothered by it, I want to make Ben Roethlisberger a keeper instead of Victor Cruz.

Killersweet
08-19-2014, 08:07 PM
I don't think it matters. This is well before the draft.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
08-19-2014, 08:24 PM
I'm ok with it but In the name of fairness we should extend the option to all owners to make an adjustment and give a final final deadline of tonight midnight (or tomorrow noon or whatever)...

Habsy
08-19-2014, 08:36 PM
Needing a qb myself I think Deckie should pay!

Being a fair individual I think it doesn't matter. Still before the draft.

I do still think he sucks though, no getting beyond that.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
08-19-2014, 08:38 PM
Deckie or Big Ben?

Deckie007
08-19-2014, 08:42 PM
Needing a qb myself I think Deckie should pay!

Being a fair individual I think it doesn't matter. Still before the draft.

I do still think he sucks though, no getting beyond that.

kisses

axlsalinger
08-19-2014, 09:16 PM
Alright, let's say that we will let Deckie make a change. All other teams can make a last minute change as well to their keepers, if they like. We'll set a hard deadline of Thursday at noon ET.

I don't care if Ben kills a hobo. No changes allowed after that point.

Deckie007
08-20-2014, 12:23 AM
What if he just touches a hobo inappropriately?

I mean, thanks Axl.

Kritter
08-20-2014, 08:03 AM
I just realized that the intention with Deckie is to keep Ben?

I don't want to be a dick, but for the last few days I've been trying to negotiate trades with the intention that if a trade goes through, I was taking Ben with my first pick in the upcoming draft.
So I need to know what the heck is going on with deckies keepers.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 08:30 AM
Deckie doesn't even know what's going on. Pretty sure internet porn has fried his brain.

Kritter
08-20-2014, 08:43 AM
Deckie doesn't even know what's going on. Pretty sure internet porn has fried his brain.


How's brain hasn't it fried?

Kritter
08-20-2014, 08:43 AM
Habsy did u get my pm?

Habspatrol
08-20-2014, 08:48 AM
I just realized that the intention with Deckie is to keep Ben?

I don't want to be a dick, but for the last few days I've been trying to negotiate trades with the intention that if a trade goes through, I was taking Ben with my first pick in the upcoming draft.
So I need to know what the heck is going on with deckies keepers.

See that's a very good argument. And I don't think you're being a dick... as of the deadline Ben was going to be there for you to pick.

You have every right to argue this and since it 100% does affect you then I'd go as far as to say that might be enough to veto Deckie's request.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 08:52 AM
I can corroborate that Kritter has been negotiating trade(s) as we've been in discussions over it. Truth be told I was also looking at a QB and expected Big Ben to be gone by my slot.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 08:53 AM
Habsy did u get my pm?

Yeah, I made the offer before the keepers were locked in. It sort of screws that deal now too.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 08:56 AM
That brings up another point. I wanted to trade Ray Rice for a pick before the draft and had some interest. If Deckie can claim Ben I want the ability to still trade Rice. Seems fair.

Deckie007
08-20-2014, 09:38 AM
I really don't see how other managers proposed draft pick trades should have any bearing on whether I can switch a keeper. If the trade was made already I could almost see it being a reason to veto, but it isn't and I think I have more claim to a player that's on my roster before the draft begins than someone trying to acquire the #1 pick.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 09:43 AM
You don't see how the guy with the #1 pick is negotiating trades with the thought he's picking Ben up with that #1 pick? Really?

And by your logic, anyone on our rosters is available for us to trade prior to draft.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 09:46 AM
What if he is negotiating the move of one of his current QB's knowing that he's getting Ben who might be better than the guy he's moving?

People have strategies.

Deckie007
08-20-2014, 09:56 AM
Oh I get that. But considering Axl has already extended the deadline to tomorrow at noon for everyone, and there's no trade posted, it seems like a moot point.

Kritter
08-20-2014, 10:16 AM
What if he is negotiating the move of one of his current QB's knowing that he's getting Ben who might be better than the guy he's moving?

People have strategies.

This, basically.

Kritter
08-20-2014, 10:21 AM
The point you are missing Deckie is that your list was already submitted and strategies were being worked on from that point on.
You submitted your list on the 13th and asked for a retraction on the 19th. I didn't put 2&2 together until this morning as to what your intentions were. Had I realized right away I would have mentioned this then.


Either way, having a finalized keeper list would be wonderful.

leafman101
08-20-2014, 11:01 AM
At the end of the day no harm no foul. Axl extended the deadline until tomorrow and no trade for the pick or a QB was made.

Kritter
08-20-2014, 11:04 AM
At the end of the day no harm no foul. Axl extended the deadline until tomorrow and no trade for the pick or a QB was made.

No harm no foul?
You mean 5 days of wasted negotiations?

Killersweet
08-20-2014, 11:37 AM
No harm no foul?
You mean 5 days of wasted negotiations?

I know it is a pain that time has been wasted on negotiations. But why didn't you pull the trigger on the trade? If the trade was consummated prior to deck changing the keepers, then u can really bring a strong argument. But the trade is not done yet right?

Killersweet
08-20-2014, 11:39 AM
I also had a question about this. Once the keepers are submitted, can you still negotiate trades involving the keeper players before the draft?

Habspatrol
08-20-2014, 11:41 AM
I really don't see how other managers proposed draft pick trades should have any bearing on whether I can switch a keeper. If the trade was made already I could almost see it being a reason to veto, but it isn't and I think I have more claim to a player that's on my roster before the draft begins than someone trying to acquire the #1 pick.

Yeah but the deadline has past... so I really think that it should take a unanimous decision for you to be able to switch your keepers after the deadline. I mean it's called the deadline for a reason.

Habspatrol
08-20-2014, 11:45 AM
I also had a question about this. Once the keepers are submitted, can you still negotiate trades involving the keeper players before the draft?

You should be able to... you just have to remember that the total amount of keepers can't change. So you could trade 2 keepers for one keeper but you only end up with 4 and the other guy has 6... same with trading a keeper for picks.

Habspatrol
08-20-2014, 11:48 AM
At the end of the day no harm no foul. Axl extended the deadline until tomorrow and no trade for the pick or a QB was made.

Truth is that people plan strategies around available players. That's why the deadline is before the rookie draft even. A guy may make a different rookie selection based on what players are going to be available in the FA draft. Especially Kritter who has the #1 pick. He may have drafted a QB in the rookie draft but then sees that Big Ben is available and goes another direction.

Like I said, I personally didn't have an issue with the change but I did say I felt it should be unanimous.

Deckie007
08-20-2014, 12:16 PM
Well of course it's not going to be unanimous, Kritter wants Big Ben. Also, the last set of keepers were posted well after the rookie draft started (after the conclusion of the 1st round), so that argument is moot. Why does Neal get an "advantage"? Maybe I would have picked someone different if I knew his keepers. See how this can go?

Kritter
08-20-2014, 12:18 PM
I know it is a pain that time has been wasted on negotiations. But why didn't you pull the trigger on the trade? If the trade was consummated prior to deck changing the keepers, then u can really bring a strong argument. But the trade is not done yet right?


Obviously if the trade I wanted were done we wouldn't be having this discussion cause there would be no way in hell a retraction to a submitted list would be warranted at that point.

The fact a trade hasn't happened is so irrelevant to this discussion it's laughable.

I based a strategy 100% on the fact Rapelisberger was going to be there for the taking with my 1st pick. And as of the time Deckie asked to change his list, the negotiations were still in progress.

But it's a moot point now since the cat is out of the bag.

Habspatrol
08-20-2014, 12:53 PM
Well of course it's not going to be unanimous, Kritter wants Big Ben. Also, the last set of keepers were posted well after the rookie draft started (after the conclusion of the 1st round), so that argument is moot. Why does Neal get an "advantage"? Maybe I would have picked someone different if I knew his keepers. See how this can go?


Obviously if the trade I wanted were done we wouldn't be having this discussion cause there would be no way in hell a retraction to a submitted list would be warranted at that point.

The fact a trade hasn't happened is so irrelevant to this discussion it's laughable.

I based a strategy 100% on the fact Rapelisberger was going to be there for the taking with my 1st pick. And as of the time Deckie asked to change his list, the negotiations were still in progress.

But it's a moot point now since the cat is out of the bag.

I wonder if this could possibly be a win/win situation.

If there's a player that deckie prefers over Ben then Kritter could trade the #1 pick for Ben and deckie can pick who he likes... win/win.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 01:47 PM
So to be clear I can trade anyone on my roster of last year until tomorrow's deadline correct?

Neal4Real
08-20-2014, 01:47 PM
Just for the record. I bought up my deadline and brought it to the owners' attention. There was no objections so I continued on. I ended up making a trade right before my deadline was due. Just for future reference perhaps the deadline for keepers should be a day before the rookie draft every year at midnight EST. That way it will be common knowledge and less work for the commissioner as his plate is already full.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 01:50 PM
I agree that there should be a hard date.

I also understand this league kinda went inactive due to some owners not participating. Now you guys have active owners again so this stuff should really be spelled out.

axlsalinger
08-20-2014, 01:55 PM
I agree that there should be a hard date.

I also understand this league kinda went inactive due to some owners not participating. Now you guys have active owners again so this stuff should really be spelled out.

Agreed.

I really hate changing deadlines, but sometimes you say what is the benefit of setting it too early? Usually to make sure all teams get them in so you can move on to the next phase, but on a certain level it doesn't really matter. Then again, as Kritter has shown, on another level it does matter.

I'm also not crazy about teams making trades of non-keepers before the draft to begin with. Maybe trades should be restricted until after the draft. That's how it works in our other league, and seems to work well.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 02:07 PM
BTW, I think the hard date for keepers should be one week before the FA draft because some owners will want to negotiate trades for draft picks.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
08-20-2014, 02:08 PM
I like having the option of trading non keepers prior to the keeper deadline

Neal4Real
08-20-2014, 02:16 PM
The reason I like trading non keepers for the sake of the league is that it can really balance out teams with a weak core of players. You can get a real steal because it was a player that was going to be dropped anyway. However it's up to the low ranking teams to work things out with teams that have an excess of talent. I know Snagglepuss and I do this quite often.

Habsy
08-20-2014, 02:28 PM
Yep, count me in guys on your trade negotiations. I am of the same mindset. One of your non-keepers might benefit another team as a keeper.

Deckie007
08-20-2014, 03:01 PM
Just for the record. I bought up my deadline and brought it to the owners' attention. There was no objections so I continued on. I ended up making a trade right before my deadline was due. Just for future reference perhaps the deadline for keepers should be a day before the rookie draft every year at midnight EST. That way it will be common knowledge and less work for the commissioner as his plate is already full.

Yeah, not critisizing or anything, just saying we let it slide and it really had no impact...just playing devil's advocate.

Habspatrol
08-20-2014, 03:13 PM
Yeah, not critisizing or anything, just saying we let it slide and it really had no impact...just playing devil's advocate.

Did you give my suggestion any thought? Or does that not work? Is Ben the guy you'd take with the top pick? Assuming you weren't able to change your keepers?

Deckie007
08-20-2014, 04:02 PM
I did. If it keeps the peace I'll do it, but I'd rather not. Kritter, what say you?

Neal4Real
08-20-2014, 04:23 PM
Understood. Thanks Deckie.

Deckie007
08-21-2014, 10:06 AM
Kritter and I are going to go ahead and compromise and make the trade. I'll post it in the trade thread.

Habspatrol
08-21-2014, 10:40 AM
Happy to hear that. Seemed like an idea that could work for both teams.

Habsy
08-21-2014, 12:24 PM
I wonder if this could possibly be a win/win situation.

If there's a player that deckie prefers over Ben then Kritter could trade the #1 pick for Ben and deckie can pick who he likes... win/win.

How is this a win/win for the rest of the league again? It's only a win/win if Deckie chooses a player he already owned with the #1 pick.

Neal4Real
09-14-2014, 10:59 PM
QB

Matt Ryan
Tony Romo

RB

Marshawn Lynch
Arian Foster

WR

Damarious Thomas

I never thought I would have to make an addendum on my own post for a player that was never going to be relevant.

WR Mohammad Sanu - CIN **

Habspatrol
09-14-2014, 11:05 PM
I thought you said you had no rookies? So you do have rookies? Cause I asked you multiple times.

Neal4Real
09-15-2014, 01:42 AM
Yes he was on the do not draft list. I missed him 100% my fault as I totally thought I traded him to Mongolia in our blockbuster last year.

Deckie007
09-16-2014, 01:57 PM
Not telling anyone what to do, but I'd get him on Neal's team asap before someone makes a waiver claim on him.

Killersweet
09-17-2014, 08:50 AM
ok, I am late for the party I guess. So Sanu is not a free agent?

Habspatrol
09-17-2014, 11:48 AM
See this is why we keep track of our rookie keepers and post them. Now we have the ability to keep them on our team.

Part of me wants to say that whoever picked him up should be able to keep him.

Killersweet
09-17-2014, 12:47 PM
I did pick up Sanu, cuz I thought he was a FA. Neal can take him back if he wants, but I want the guy I dropped back.

axlsalinger
09-20-2014, 03:35 PM
Sorry Neal, but this is why we ask for lists every year. It's up to every manager to know who's on their own team. I get that it may be hard to remember every player the next season after a few months away, which again is why we ask for lists. All you need to do is look at last year's roster thread.

In this case, even if I were to reverse Killersweet's move, the guy he dropped has been picked up by somebody else already. It just leads to an infinite number of problems. If it were before the season or even the first week, we could try to find some resolution, but it's already week 3. This is probably the main reason we moved over to Fantrax, so that teams can keep their minor league players in the minors, and thus can't be picked up by other teams.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
09-21-2014, 12:57 PM
My two cents - Rookie drafted players are protected for three years and can only be carried by their rightful owners either by draft or trade. Yes Neal messed up, but that shouldn't make a protected player free game. Regardless of Neal fcuking up - the player was listed in the do not draft thread and should be dropped.

Having said that - it's Mohammad Sanu for crying out loud - Neal can just pick him up in 3 weeks when killersweet drops him for someone else :couch

Habspatrol
09-21-2014, 01:22 PM
I think there has to be some responsibility on the owner too... especially with the new site. We can carry all of our rookies now so there's no need for the "do not draft" list anymore. Which is why it wasn't updated this year and why nobody would have thought to check the list before picking a player up.

In this case in particular everyone posted their rookies and Neal didn't post any. I asked him if he was sure and he said yes. Then I pressed him and said that I found it hard to believe that he didn't have a single rookie pick over the past 3 years and he assured us that he did not. The reason I asked multiple times was for this exact reason. With everyone carrying their rookies on their team now there would be no real recourse if a mistake was made.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
09-21-2014, 02:37 PM
I agree and Neal should be tarred and feathered - what i am saying is that the player is protected having been drafted in the rookie draft and should not be allowed to be carried by anyone other than their rights holder. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Habspatrol
09-21-2014, 02:41 PM
Except, as axl pointed out. The player dropped by the manager who picked up Sanu has now been picked up by someone else. So it's not so simple.

I think once you fail to list and add your players in the off season you've waived your ownership of the player.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
09-21-2014, 02:54 PM
Is that a new rule?

I'm just playing devil's advocate, HP, as Sanu is not a big deal- like you say, the new site will make it easier managing the rookies moving forward

Neal - get naked - HP - go get the tar - I've got the feathers. :)

Habspatrol
09-21-2014, 03:04 PM
I'm not sure it's a "new rule" but read this exchange and tell me that this isn't a guy that has waived any rookies he may have.

I mean I tried to encourage him to post any rookies that he might have.

QB

Matt Ryan
Tony Romo

RB

Marshawn Lynch
Arian Foster

WR

Damarious Thomas


You have no rookies?


Nope no rookies for me...


Wow... how's that even possible? You haven't had a rookie pick in 3 years?


I traded a lot of my picks away. I did win it in 2011 I believe, so I think I made the right trades for my team at that point. Unfortunately I'm paying the cost now.


Wow... seems weird that you don't have a single rookie pick.

Agreed though... a title is worth it.

Habspatrol
09-21-2014, 03:08 PM
To be clear, I like Neal and he's been a great manager and seems like a good guy. I'd say the exact same thing if it was anyone... including myself.

Killersweet
09-22-2014, 09:30 AM
Ok guys, I assumed since we have the minor league system in fantrax, that everyone is keeping their rookies in there. I had no idea Sanu belonged to Neal's team until I saw this thread after the pick up. Anyways, I'll go with whatever the league decides.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
09-22-2014, 08:51 PM
Not your fault. It's all on Neal. I was just arguing the point of protected rookies retaining eligibility for the full three years. I'm ok with Axl's decision. Just wanted my opinion to be heard.

Habspatrol
09-22-2014, 09:09 PM
Not your fault. It's all on Neal. I was just arguing the point of protected rookies retaining eligibility for the full three years. I'm ok with Axl's decision. Just wanted my opinion to be heard.

Within reason. You can always waive a player and they can be back in the FA pool, which is essentially what Neal did.

In our hockey league it happens all the time. Guys just get rid of guys before they reach their limit cause they know they aren't going to become anything worth having.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
09-22-2014, 10:11 PM
Sure. I dropped Jonathan Franklin because he is retired and didn't want to see him on my roster anymore. Hypothetically speaking, if he un-retires next year, have I foregone my rights to him?

Habspatrol
09-22-2014, 11:09 PM
Yes you have. You didn't list him and don't have him on your roster... he's fair game.

SnagglepussLuvHabs
09-22-2014, 11:21 PM
Fack - watch him do it now.... ;)

BTW I'm 0-3 and the outlook is not good - officially looking to get younger - everyone is available

Neal4Real
10-14-2014, 10:57 AM
Holly shit I had no idea this discussion was happening as I was away. Raiders can have Sanu for this year, plus I had mentioned I had missed Sanu on my protected list accepting blame for it sometime ago prior to him even being picked up. Ironically I'm playing the Raiders and I am going to crush him. I'll even drag his teams carcass around the forum with a flag of Sanus head. Then we can all see that this never mattered in the first place. I'm all about power distribution so yes I agree with the verdict. Just remember this case for future reference as it is now that standard. This will be the cost of not being able to remember to post a rookie keeper. Let's call it 'Clause Tar and Feather'

Habspatrol
10-14-2014, 11:35 AM
Haha :cheers2:

And yeah, this is definitely the standard. If someone doesn't list a player or have them on their team then they are out of luck and will be tarred and feathered.