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number17
10-14-2014, 10:20 AM
3 games into the season, and the Leafs have not looked good IMO but we're 1-2 thanks to a gift wrapped 2 points from King Henry.

Tonight's game should go a long way in telling us, how good (or bad) the Leafs really are in this early season.

The Aves are also 1-2, losing the first 2 games to the Wild (both shutouts) and then beating the Bruins 2-1 just last night. The Aves are kinda like the Leafs in some ways - a lot of skilled, young players still developing their games. Having played the night before though, the Leafs have to realize this is a beatable team and jump on them early with our speed.

The Aves have beat the Leafs in their last 4 visits to ACC.

The Leafs have plenty of question marks regarding our roster tonight. Gardiner was removed from lineup to make room for Franson last game, and Franson provided instant result with 1G and 1A, and he made the PP so much better. I don't think Carlyle will take him out (despite Frason, as his usual bipolar self, also drove the coach nuts with his turnovers). If there's 1 Leaf d-man who is to take a seat tonight to make room for Gardiner who will it be? It won'e be Percy who has point in all 3 games early in the season. Will it be the young Rielly? Or the 37 year old Robidas who has struggled thus far in the first 3 games?

Also in question is who starts in goal? Reimer won the game for the Leafs and despite leaving early after being hit in the head, he participated in full practice yesterday and declared himself 100% ready. Bernier, OTOH, pegged 1A but has struggled in both starts thus far. He also complained of a 'slight pinch in his knee' but said he's 100% fine.

Some Leafs like Clarkson and Kessel finally got the monkey off their back scoring vs. the Rangers (thanks again Lundqvist) so we'll see how they do tonight.

And the Leafs have been outshot in all 3 games thus far, Carlyle's 'new system' looks pathetically similar to the old system that made TO the highest SA team in recent history ... will we see the same tonight?

zeke
10-14-2014, 10:24 AM
2yr Stats (until the 5-10gm mark):


Line 1

C T.Bozak (28): 104gms, 31gls, 77pts, 43.9cf%, 20:40 (82gms, 25gls, 61pts)
C M.Duchene (23): 118gms, 40gls, 113pts, 49.0cf%, 19:28 (82gms, 28gls, 79pts)

W P.Kessel (27): 130gms, 57gls, 132pts, 44.9cf%, 20:21 (82gms, 36gls, 83pts)
W J.Iginla (37): 122gms, 44gls, 94pts, 52.0cf%, 18:26 (82gms, 30gls, 63pts)

W J.Vanriemsdyk (25): 128gms, 48gls, 93pts, 44.7cf%, 20:21 (82gms, 31gls, 60pts)
W J.McGinn (26): 126gms, 30gls, 60pts, 47.5cf%, 16:21 (82gms, 20gls, 39pts)

Line 2

C N.Kadri (24): 126gms, 38gls, 94pts, 45.9cf%, 16:53 (82gms, 25gls, 61pts)
C R.O'Reilly (23): 109gms, 34gls, 84pts, 50.1cf%, 19:28 (82gms, 26gls, 63pts)

W J.Lupul (31): 85gms, 33gls, 62pts, 42.8cf%, 18:01 (82gms, 31gls, 60pts)
W G.Landeskog (22): 117gms, 35gls, 82pts, 49.7cf%, 18:53 (82gms, 25gls, 58pts)

W D.Winnik (29): 124gms, 12gls, 49pts, 48.6cf%, 15:57 (82gms, 8gls, 32pts)
W D.Everberg (23): --------

Line 3

C M.Santorelli (29): 83gms, 12gls, 32pts, 50.6cf%, 15:32 (82gms, 12gls, 32pts)
C N.MacKinnon (19): 82gms, 24gls, 63pts, 46.9cf%, 17:21 (82gms, 24gls, 63pts)

W D.Clarkson (30): 108gms, 20gls, 35pts, 49.7cf%, 16:13 (82gms, 15gls, 27pts)
W A.Tanguay (35): 56gms, 15gls, 38pts, 47.7cf%, 18:46 (82gms, 22gls, 56pts)

W L.Komarov (27): 42gms, 4gls, 9pts, 45.7cf%, 13:56 (82gms, 8gls, 17pts)
W D.Briere (37): 103gms, 19gls, 41pts, 47.1cf%, 13:51 (82gms, 15gls, 33pts)

Line 4

C P.Holland (23): 64gms, 9gls, 16pts, 44.6cf% 11:26 (82gms, 12gls, 21pts)
C M.Cliche (27): 77gms, 1gls, 7pts, 41.2cf%, 10:31 (82gms, 1gls, 8pts)

W R.Panik (23): 75gms, 8gls, 22pts, 48.9cf%, 12:14 (82gms, 9gls, 24pts)
W M.Talbot (30): 116gms, 13gls, 37pts, 44.8cf%, 15:57 (82gms, 9gls, 26pts)

W B.Kozun (24): ---
W C.McLeod (30): 119gms, 13gls, 25pts, 45.1cf%, 11:27 (82gms, 9gls, 17pts)



Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (29): 128gms, 17gls, 59pts, 41.3cf%, 24:13 (82gms, 11gls, 38pts)
D E.Johnson (26): 111gms, 9gls, 43pts, 48.4cf%, 21:22 (82gms, 7gls, 32pts)

D S.Robidas (37): 86gms, 6gls, 23pts, 49.6cf%, 21:19 (82gms, 6gls, 22pts)
D B.Stuart (35): 109gms, 3gls, 17pts, 49.8cf%, 19:44 (82gms, 2gls, 13pts)

Pair 2

D C.Franson (27): 124gms, 9gls, 62pts, 45.2cf%, 20:00 (82gms, 6gls, 41pts)
D T.Barrie (23): 96gms, 15gls, 51pts, 50.4cf%, 19:34 (82gms, 13gls, 44pts)

D M.Rielly (20): 73gms, 2gls, 27pts, 44.5cf%, 17:37 (82gms, 2gls, 30pts)
D N.Holden (27): 56gms, 10gls, 25pts, 48.0cf%, 18:19 (82gms, 15gls, 37pts)

Pair 3

D R.Polak (28): 120gms, 5gls, 19pts, 49.5cf%, 17:46 (82gms, 3gls, 13pts)
D J.Hejda (36): 124gms, 7gls, 27pts, 45.9cf%, 21:21 (82gms, 5gls, 18pts)

D S.Percy (21): -----
D R.Wilson (27): 40gms, 0gls, 9pts, 46.6cf%, 15:49 (82gms, 0gls, 19pts)
D N.Guenin (31): 83gms, 3gls, 11pts, 44.8cf%, 16:10 (82gms, 0gls, 19pts)



Starting Goalie

G J.Reimer (26): .917sv% (69gms)
G S.Varlamov (26): .919sv% (98gms)

Backup Goalie

G J.Bernier (26): .922sv% (69gms)
G R.Berra (27): .893sv% (31gms)



Injured / Suspended

W D.Booth (30): 78gms, 10gls, 22pts, 53.0cf%, 13:21 (82gms, 11gls, 23pts)

C J.Mitchell (29): 122gms, 21gls, 52pts, 47.5cf%, 16:27 (82gms, 14gls, 35pts)
W J.Winchester (31): 52gms, 9gls, 18pts, 51.8cf%, 12:44 (82gms, 14gls, 28pts)
W P.Bordeleau (28): 128gms, 8gls, 16pts, 43.1cf%, 6:28 (82gms, 5gls, 10pts)

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 10:27 AM
They just have to work hard.
Maybe change the pre-game music, try something with more of an edge.

number17
10-14-2014, 10:28 AM
I almost forgot Iggy signed in Col.

And I don't believe McKinnon plays on the 3rd line does he? I thought he plays wing in the top 6?

but yeah the Aves are stacked down the middle - Duchene, O'Reilly, McKinnon

zeke
10-14-2014, 10:31 AM
they started the year with O'Rielly on the wing, but after two straight losses moved O'Reilly back to center and MacKinnon down a line, and they won with that yesterday so I assume they keep it.

Killer93
10-14-2014, 10:40 AM
Reimer confirmed starter

BeLeafer
10-14-2014, 10:41 AM
Good to see Reimer getting the start after Sunday's performance. Should be a good confidence boost/motivator. Need him to get back on form.

The top line will hopefully shore up its defensive shortcomings. Good to hear from JVR that he didn't think they played very well on Sunday. Kadri and Santorelli lines looked good on the weekend. Hopefully the team can build on the stability they are providing.

Gotta worry that the AVs are going to have an offensive outburst. They've been twisting in the wind so far ... just a matter of time with the forward talent they have.

Killer93
10-14-2014, 10:41 AM
Gardiner likely sits again; very interesting

Deckie007
10-14-2014, 10:46 AM
Apparently the advanced stats say that we played better against Montreal. No surprising as King Henrik was god awful and the Leafs got some fortunate bounces. Predicting a Leafs loss, 4-2.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 10:47 AM
Can't say I blame Randy for going back to a winning lineup but man, I never would've imagined Gardiner would be in the press box for Games 3 and 4.

zeke
10-14-2014, 10:51 AM
James Mirtle @mirtle
Sense is Jake Gardiner will play tonight but no idea who sits.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 10:56 AM
James Mirtle @mirtle
Sense is Jake Gardiner will play tonight but no idea who sits.

Phaneuf 23:53
Polak 22:51
Robidas 22:10
Percy 20:00
Franson 17:07
Rielly 14:20

Rielly perhaps?

zeke
10-14-2014, 10:57 AM
I'm smelling 7D.

Pucklosopher
10-14-2014, 10:57 AM
It's a damn good sign the Coaching lineup is lineup adjusting much, much more quickly this year.

Depth + Internal Competition is how you get the maximum effort out of players. Helps to have a sharper coaching staff who can evaluate who is actually playing well, too.

It will develop a sense of fairness amongst the players, as well. Has to be a motivating factor for Reimer that he is getting back in there tonight. And not sitting on the pine, for another 10 games because he's the "backup".

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 11:00 AM
Reimer confirmed starter
Good to hear. They keep saying in public that this is still a 1A/1B type situation, so since Bernier's looked like dog shit so far and Reimer played well on Sunday, this is the move they had to make.

As for Gardiner, I hope he escapes the press box, but I really don't know who they take out of the lineup to do that.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 11:03 AM
Yeah, I'm also glad Reimer's getting the start.

#Team.920+

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 11:27 AM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 2m2 minutes ago
Randy Carlyle won't say if Jake Gardiner will play tonight. Asked what Gardiner needs to do if he does get in, Carlyle said "play better".

Pucklosopher
10-14-2014, 11:37 AM
Would like to see the Leafs win - well, in general - but on the possession / shot count metrics tonight, against an Avs team that is weak in those areas.

Hoss
10-14-2014, 12:01 PM
It will be interesting to see if Carlyle tries something really weird in that he plays 7D and Gardiner plays D to rotate through some players getting a few rest shifts and Gards plays the wing on the fourth line replacing Kozun or whomever.

That fourth line played something like 1 minute of the third period against the rangers.... I wonder if they sit a forward for a game and give some minutes to Gardiner that way..... Just thinking aloud here.

blacksheep
10-14-2014, 12:36 PM
Reimer confirmed starter

He definitely earned it, but I'm still pleasantly surprised.

MyNameIsJonas
10-14-2014, 01:59 PM
7D is rarely a good idea, but all 7 deserve to be in the lineup, and at the expense of a Richard Panik i think it makes sense.

number17
10-14-2014, 02:06 PM
So it's Panik and not Kozun? I thought Panik was more visible than Kozun last game.

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 02:15 PM
Unfortunately the D situation will probably resolve itself with an injury, but if it doesn't it could become a problem if they all deserve a spot, longterm anyways.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 02:18 PM
Its a good problem to have.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 02:23 PM
Although I don't think its much of a problem. Franson stinks and doesn't have a future here. So that will solve it pretty easily.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 02:28 PM
It's a bit of a problem. It is nice to have depth, but at the moment, we're sitting a young defenseman who's a key piece going forward, and contemplating sending down a former 1st round pick that's clearly ready to play and contribute at the NHL level so that we can keep someone in the lineup who's gone after this year. We also have plenty of other depth at defense, beyond what's on the NHL roster.

I'm hoping they find Franson a new home sooner rather than later.

number17
10-14-2014, 02:40 PM
Obviously it's better to have 7 than 5, but when you have 7 it shows you don't have 6 guys you're perfectly comfortable with.

zeke
10-14-2014, 02:48 PM
well, its also what happens when you have quality youth coming up through the system. it creates logjams.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 03:14 PM
Yep, this is only a problem because Stuart Percy has made it a problem...which is the best kind of problem to have.

number17
10-14-2014, 03:19 PM
It's also a problem because Franson is such a bipolar d-man. He is good at what he brings to the table (PP, point shot, offense) but he really drives you nuts with his turnovers and his poor defensive attention to details... if Franson was only average defensively then we wouldn't be having this dilemma.

zeke
10-14-2014, 03:25 PM
well, a little more consistency from gardiner and rielly and it would be a lot easier to drop franson to the curb.

Artnes
10-14-2014, 03:33 PM
They both need to learn to how control the game. Instead of rushing to make that outlet pass or bolting through the neutral zone slow it down and look for a good play.

If not circle back and try again.

number17
10-14-2014, 03:36 PM
no, so that's exactly it ... the fact we carry 7D because there are a few guys who have something in their game we don't like (Frason's defense and turnovers, Rielly and Gardiner's consistency, and Percy's ... young age and inexperience?) but they all bring something to the table that you don't want to cut them either.

7D never works out in the long run too ... so we'll see how things sort themselves out over the next week or 2.

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 03:47 PM
Wasn't Panik the one that drew a couple penalties the other game? A guy like that on the fourth line has value.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 04:38 PM
I've barely even noticed Panik in both of the games he's played, to be honest.

da_next_kid
10-14-2014, 04:45 PM
Is it confirmed that we're going with 7 D?

JackBurton
10-14-2014, 04:47 PM
Should be an easy win for the Leafs.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 04:49 PM
no, so that's exactly it ... the fact we carry 7D because there are a few guys who have something in their game we don't like (Frason's defense and turnovers, Rielly and Gardiner's consistency, and Percy's ... young age and inexperience?) but they all bring something to the table that you don't want to cut them either.

7D never works out in the long run too ... so we'll see how things sort themselves out over the next week or 2.


Every team carries 7 d. Our 7th d just happened to be really good. Percy didn't make his way into the lineup because the don't like Gardiner. They just signed Gardiner to a long term deal, they obviously like him. Percy just played his way into the lineup and made them have to pick someone to sit.

No team has 6 perfect defensemen.

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 04:49 PM
I don't know how "easy" the win should be, but hopefully they come out with a full game effort.

Colorado is a good team.

JackBurton
10-14-2014, 04:51 PM
I don't know how "easy" the win should be, but hopefully they come out with a full game effort.

Colorado is a good team.

They'll miss the playoffs this year. They'll have the biggest drop-off in the NHL.

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 04:55 PM
I'm not so confident in that. They have some really good pieces that are on the upswing. MacKinnon looks like a star in the making. If Varlamov can play well, i don't see why they can't make the playoffs.

The team i'm most concerned about making the playoffs would be the Leafs. Thats a team where things can go either which way.

JackBurton
10-14-2014, 04:58 PM
Colorado has great young pieces. But they are terrible defensively and overachieved last season. It'll be the classic come back down to earth after having success earlier than expected.

Great future. But imo, they'll take a step back before going forward.

worm
10-14-2014, 05:15 PM
Really it comes down to whether they can get that good of goaltending again.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 05:36 PM
Apparently Henny reporting Gardiner indeed scratched.

JackBurton
10-14-2014, 05:39 PM
Good old Randy.

MyNameIsJonas
10-14-2014, 05:53 PM
This game reeks of 6-4

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 06:02 PM
LOL. Carlyle being Carlyle. What does this accomplish exactly? We're now sitting a 24 year old defenseman that we just signed to a long term deal. Are they letting Carlyle dig his own grave? Or was it a miscalculation on their part for giving Gardiner the contract.

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 06:09 PM
What was the right decision? Right now this is on the gm.

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 06:10 PM
Though really, they just didn't think Percy would play himself onto the team.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 06:10 PM
Its not like Gardiner won't play 70+ games this year barring injury. Its game 4. There is no issue yet.

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 06:20 PM
Gardiner has been poop and they have to put Franson in the window, what's the issue?

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 06:43 PM
Has Percy been that much better than Gardiner? Points aside, Percy hasn't been exactly mistake-free. Percy wouldn't necessarily be the one i sit, just maybe he has a longer leash than Gardiner.

I remember back in the summer Carlyle made comments about a certain defender thinking he's "Drew Doughty". Maybe Gardiner is in the dog house. I'm not sure how sitting him after giving him a long term extension is helping him or the team. Someone needs to sit, Gardiner wouldn't be my choice. In any case, Carlyle needs to go.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 06:45 PM
At least he's not sitting Gardiner for total crap like Fraser/Ranger or whoever. You could make a good case for everyone who's in tonight.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 06:49 PM
Gardiner deserved to sit. He was the worst of the 6 the first two games. Its the meritocracy everyone wanted.

He'll get back in though.

PKForce81
10-14-2014, 06:53 PM
Gardiner has been poop and they have to put Franson in the window, what's the issue?

This!

PKForce81
10-14-2014, 06:57 PM
Has Percy been that much better than Gardiner? Points aside, Percy hasn't been exactly mistake-free. Percy wouldn't necessarily be the one i sit, just maybe he has a longer leash than Gardiner.

I remember back in the summer Carlyle made comments about a certain defender thinking he's "Drew Doughty". Maybe Gardiner is in the dog house. I'm not sure how sitting him after giving him a long term extension is helping him or the team. Someone needs to sit, Gardiner wouldn't be my choice. In any case, Carlyle needs to go.

Percy's first year so he should be given some room for mistakes..He also hasn't made as many mistakes as Gardiner and has contributed offensively so there's that. If Gardiner isn't your choice to sit then who? Everyone else is playing better.

Wayward DP
10-14-2014, 06:58 PM
Gardiner deserved to sit. He was the worst of the 6 the first two games. Its the meritocracy everyone wanted.

He'll get back in though.

Yup, there's just no winning with some people. Gardiner even said himself he knows he needs to play better.

This is a great problem to have, young depth on the blueline. Most NHL teams would love to have this problem.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 07:01 PM
TSN is a breath of fresh air compared to that horrid Rogers Sportsnet crap.

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 07:02 PM
Maybe it's like the Kung-Fu movies...you're harder on the disciple with the most promise.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 07:24 PM
Good start.

My god.

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 07:25 PM
Interesting way to start a hockey game.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 07:25 PM
Rielly needs to stop pinching like that.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 07:27 PM
Nice, no shots on that PK.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 07:34 PM
Heh, Phaneuf with a solid hit on MacKinnon

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 07:35 PM
Heh, Phaneuf with a solid hit on MacKinnon

And that helped generate some zone time too, more of that please.

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 07:35 PM
Man if Clarkson can be a marginal hockey player it would make a massive difference.

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 07:37 PM
THat was our PP? F*cking garbage.

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 07:39 PM
BEAUTY!!!

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 07:39 PM
My boy Phil #stillnottheproblem

Deckie007
10-14-2014, 07:40 PM
JayVeeAh

axlsalinger
10-14-2014, 07:40 PM
Sweet passing by the top line there.

Deckie007
10-14-2014, 07:40 PM
Avs might be as weak as we are on the boards.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 07:42 PM
The Avs are the Western Conference doppelgänger of the Leafs but with a bit more speed.

rated
10-14-2014, 07:44 PM
I'm loving the uncle leo line

Feyd
10-14-2014, 07:45 PM
Yeah the Clarkson/Leo/Santorelli line has been great tonight.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 07:45 PM
Santorelli and Komarov have turned Clarkson into a player.

Deckie007
10-14-2014, 07:45 PM
I'm loving the uncle leo line


Yeah the Clarkson/Leo/Santorelli line has been great tonight.


+1

Diggin' it.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 07:49 PM
#Percy4Norris

Leafin'
10-14-2014, 07:49 PM
Nice move by Percy there to get himself a better shot. Albeit no screen on the goalie.

Deckie007
10-14-2014, 07:50 PM
Reminds me of Kaberle with the puck.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 07:50 PM
Franson, for all his defensive and "hockey IQ" deficiencies, is really great at getting point shots through.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-14-2014, 07:50 PM
My boy Phil #stillnottheproblem

First line caught standing around again on the Aves goal to tie.

WellPlayed
10-14-2014, 07:53 PM
I love our third line.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 07:55 PM
The 2nd and 3rd lines have generated almost all the scoring chances tonight. Ironically, the 1st line has the only goal thus far.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 07:56 PM
And the goal against.

BeLeafer
10-14-2014, 07:56 PM
Leafs first line is godly ... they giveth and they taketh away.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 07:59 PM
Is there a reason everyone's saying Aves all of a sudden?

zeke
10-14-2014, 07:59 PM
decent even period.

phaneuf-franson pairing looks surprisingly good against a very fast team.

percy continues to star, too.

the 2nd and 3rd lines are turning into legit posession lines. finding the right mix on the fourth line would be nice to join them.

the first line will never be a possession line, but man they can score.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 08:00 PM
Short for Naves?

WellPlayed
10-14-2014, 08:00 PM
You know... Johnson is taking some serious runs out there... makes you wonder about McLaren OR Orr, if you are barely going to play the 4th line anyway.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:01 PM
the first line will never be a possession line, but man they can score.

Not with Bozak as their centre anyway.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 08:03 PM
You know... Johnson is taking some serious runs out there... makes you wonder about McLaren OR Orr, if you are barely going to play the 4th line anyway.
Does it make you wonder?

What would Orr or McLaren do, try to fight Johnson and get turned down? Or try to hit one of the Avs' top players and fail to do so because they can't catch them?

Feyd
10-14-2014, 08:04 PM
You know... Johnson is taking some serious runs out there... makes you wonder about McLaren OR Orr, if you are barely going to play the 4th line anyway.
I wonder if that's in response to Phaneuf running MacKinnon early in the 1st

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:06 PM
I wonder if that's in response to Phaneuf running MacKinnon early in the 1st

Probably.

Which is where legitimate team toughness is so important. Go ahead, run JVR, Komarov will be getting to know Duchene shortly. Clarkson checking in on young Nathan again, etc.

WellPlayed
10-14-2014, 08:08 PM
Does it make you wonder?

What would Orr or McLaren do, try to fight Johnson and get turned down? Or try to hit one of the Avs' top players and fail to do so because they can't catch them?

Obviously they get turned down. But I honestly think one of those guys stepping up to Johnson and telling him they are going to cave his face in if he does it again, stops it at 1 run. It's easy for us to sit here and say those guys don't scare anyone. I'm guessing being on the ice with them is another story.

Anyway not saying they should be in. A functional fourth line is what I want. But if they aren't going to play anyway, I don't mind a goon taking up a spot.

MyNameIsJonas
10-14-2014, 08:09 PM
Probably.

Which is where legitimate team toughness is so important. Go ahead, run JVR, Komarov will be getting to know Duchene shortly. Clarkson checking in on young Nathan again, etc.

Or, Colton Orr could face punch with Scott Parker.

zeke
10-14-2014, 08:09 PM
Phaneuf 8:12 (24:36)
Franson 7:06 (21:18)

Polak 7:58 (23:54)
Percy 7:24 (22:12)

Rielly 5:26 (16:18)
Robidas 4:00 (12:00)

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 08:10 PM
Polak needs to open the Polak door on Nathan.

LeafOfFaith
10-14-2014, 08:10 PM
decent even period.

phaneuf-franson pairing looks surprisingly good against a very fast team.

percy continues to star, too.

the 2nd and 3rd lines are turning into legit posession lines. finding the right mix on the fourth line would be nice to join them.

the first line will never be a possession line, but man they can score.

We need another top 6 winger (Nylander anyone?). Winnik can't cut it on the second line. There's just no danger in his play, and it's costing the other two.

Meanwhile, the 4th line sucks again this year. Holland doesn't look like a player, Kozun is not suited for a checking role, and Winnik ought to be on that line. Carlyle being Carlyle, it barely played last game, but probably didn't deserve to.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 08:11 PM
@HennyTweets: Leafs strong again on the draw. 65 percent after 1 with Kadri leading the way at 83 percent winning 5 of 6. #tmltalk

WellPlayed
10-14-2014, 08:14 PM
Kozun is too small for this league. If you are small, you had better be super skilled and/or super strong on your skates. He's neither. Give me somebody who can crash and cycle for that fourth line.

MyNameIsJonas
10-14-2014, 08:16 PM
Franson for a top 6 W with a similar salary and term on the surface makes sense.

zeke
10-14-2014, 08:21 PM
Kadri 6:47 (20:21)
Lupul 6:17 (18:51)
Winnik 6:33 (19:39)

Bozak 5:25 (16:15)
KeSs§l 5:49 (17:27)
vanryk 5:56 (17:48)

Santo 4:00 (12:00)
Clarkson 5:35 (16:45)
Komarov 5:30 (16:30)

Holland 1:51 (5:33)
Kozun 2:29 (7:27)
Panik 1:56 (5:48)

BeLeafer
10-14-2014, 08:24 PM
Avs are getting away with a TON of interference.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:24 PM
Bozak doesn't belong on that line.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 08:27 PM
Oh man, that would have been an epic fight.

Volcanologist
10-14-2014, 08:28 PM
lol dion can't fight for shit.

Iggy would have dummied him.

johnunit
10-14-2014, 08:28 PM
What idiot decided to stop that fight?

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:29 PM
Dion's better when he's playing angry

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 08:29 PM
Damn refs.

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 08:30 PM
We better not lose anybody tonight, there's some pretty free checks being thrown.

johnunit
10-14-2014, 08:30 PM
Kozun is too small for this league. If you are small, you had better be super skilled and/or super strong on your skates. He's neither. Give me somebody who can crash and cycle for that fourth line.
Classic preseason superstar. Reminds me of Gamache

Feyd
10-14-2014, 08:30 PM
Wow nice knee by McLeod on Rielly

Feyd
10-14-2014, 08:32 PM
Percy has amazing poise with the puck

johnunit
10-14-2014, 08:32 PM
Gotta admit I didn't see Percy being this competent this early.

johnunit
10-14-2014, 08:36 PM
Our board work seems much better this year

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:37 PM
I know it turned into an Avs PP...but what a ****ing brilliant shift. I was so confused, I'm used to seeing the other team do that whole "puck control" thing, not us.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:44 PM
Varly is legit

zeke
10-14-2014, 08:45 PM
leafs are starting to feel good.

would be a nice confidence booster to gut out a close win here and even up our record quickly.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:48 PM
Phil gets speared in the boys...no call

zeke
10-14-2014, 08:49 PM
the boy, not boys.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:50 PM
the boy, not boys.

Ah yes, how could I forget.

zeke
10-14-2014, 08:51 PM
dmen are gonna get blamed there but i think it was the forwards who messed up.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 08:51 PM
Reimer too small in net there.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:52 PM
Franson way too deep.

zeke
10-14-2014, 08:52 PM
wtf clarkson

BeLeafer
10-14-2014, 08:52 PM
Had a feeling that was coming ...

zeke
10-14-2014, 08:52 PM
come on pp. need this one.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 08:52 PM
dmen are gonna get blamed there but i think it was the forwards who messed up.


Kadri did the right thing supporting the overload in the corner. Franson sat too deep near the net himself, not reading the play.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 08:53 PM
How did that idiot Ferraro and the ref manage to miss that the Colorado player whacked Phil right in the nut to stop that scoring play? No wonder he was so pissed off.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 08:55 PM
16 shots and nothing to show for it.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 08:56 PM
It looked like an incidental spear, but yeah, I'd be pissed too.

BeLeafer
10-14-2014, 08:58 PM
Highly unusual second period for the leafs ... the actually outshot the opposition and by a wide margin.

Pretty good hockey game. Let's see if they can dig out a win in the third.

Leafyblue
10-14-2014, 08:58 PM
Av's broadcast team sure love Phil. They keep talking about what a talent he is. Nice to hear actually.

Killer93
10-14-2014, 09:01 PM
That Phaneuf/Franson pairing has been underwhelming

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:10 PM
Percy 16:08 (24:12)
Polak 14:27 (21:41)

Phaneuf 14:20 (21:30)
Franson 13:21 (20:02)

Rielly 12:32 (18:48)
Robidas 9:18 (13:57)

CRL
10-14-2014, 09:13 PM
So Gardiner is still to blame?

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:15 PM
Kadri 13:35 (20:23)
Lupul 12:34 (18:51)
Winnik 12:18 (18:27)

Bozak 12:57 (19:26)
Kessrl 13:07 (19:41)
vanryk 12:55 (19:23)

santo 7:45 (11:38)
clarkson 11:44 (17:36)
komarov 9:43 (14:35)

holland 2:40 (4:00)
kozun 3:55 (5:52)
panik 2:57 (4:26)

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 09:18 PM
After two periods, Randy's falling back into old habits when it comes to ice-time distribution.

4th line:

Peter Holland: 2:40 TOI
Richard Panik: 2:57 TOI
Brandon Kozun: 3:55 TOI

The Colorado forward with the lowest ice-time? Marc-Andre Cliche, with 7:14 of ice time, almost twice as much as anyone on the Leaf 4th line. If Randy doesn't trust the players currently on his fourth line, then he needs to replace them with players he does trust. But we can't go back to this bull shit where our forwards are essentially playing 9 on 12 every night.

CRL
10-14-2014, 09:19 PM
After two periods, Randy's falling back into old habits when it comes to ice-time distribution.

4th line:

Peter Holland: 2:40 TOI
Richard Panik: 2:57 TOI
Brandon Kozun: 3:55 TOI

The Colorado forward with the lowest ice-time? Marc-Andre Cliche, with 7:14 of ice time, almost twice as much as anyone on the Leaf 3rd line. If Randy doesn't trust the players currently on his fourth line, then he needs to replace them with players he does trust. But we can't go back to this bull shit where our forwards are essentially playing 9 on 12 every night.


back to old bad habits

Aberdeen
10-14-2014, 09:20 PM
Percy with the Kaberle head fake.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 09:20 PM
The 4th line has been crap. I can't really complain about Kadri/Lupul picking up extra ice time.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 09:24 PM
If Randy prefers a crashing/banging fourth line, there's better options on the Marlies than Orr/McLaren that's for damn sure. The majority of the Marlies fit that description and most of them can play a little too.

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 09:24 PM
Robidas has been bad tonight, he may be the next one to sit.

Feyd
10-14-2014, 09:25 PM
That 3rd line is dominating down low tonight.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 09:28 PM
Kessel needs to calm the **** down, two giveaways on that shift.

Volcanologist
10-14-2014, 09:28 PM
That Phaneuf/Franson pairing has been underwhelming

well there's a surprise.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 09:30 PM
Komarov just introduced himself to Hejda.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 09:30 PM
LUPUL!!!

Killer93
10-14-2014, 09:30 PM
Weak defensive first line and rolling only 3 lines are the issues this evening

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 09:30 PM
Zoolander mother****er, ZOOLANDER.

CRL
10-14-2014, 09:31 PM
Lupul is real leader of this team

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 09:31 PM
Yes.

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:32 PM
gotta love how physical we're playing. (and the crowd sure does)

team toughness >> goons

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 09:32 PM
Blue Steel bitches

Feyd
10-14-2014, 09:33 PM
Did you see that play by Percy to Kessel? Holy shit.

CRL
10-14-2014, 09:33 PM
Did you see that play by Percy to Kessel? Holy shit.

undressed Duchane like a kid

Volcanologist
10-14-2014, 09:34 PM
Franson...makes a good defensive play??

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 09:35 PM
Holy crap. The play Percy made to get Phil the puck there is the highlight of the night, as far as I'm concerned.

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:35 PM
we better not lose this.

this is the best we've played in a long long time.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 09:35 PM
Christ I hate when Reimer handles the puck....

Feyd
10-14-2014, 09:35 PM
Oh Reimer, why? WHY?

Volcanologist
10-14-2014, 09:36 PM
Percy looks great. didn't see that coming, at least not this soon.

CRL
10-14-2014, 09:36 PM
DownGoesBrown: Man, Reimer's glove hand is so bad that now even Reimer is shooting high.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 09:36 PM
James has got to make up for his **** up here.

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:37 PM
there's like 15 great plays this period that i've wanted to comment on but then something else happened.

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:39 PM
thattaboy kozun.

beauty.

that'll win me over.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 09:39 PM
Beauty PK, and great play by Kozun at the end there.

CRL
10-14-2014, 09:41 PM
why I hate Franson?

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 09:45 PM
there's like 15 great plays this period that i've wanted to comment on but then something else happened.

Well put.

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 09:52 PM
#stillnotaproblem

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
SICK

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
Kessel, sweet Jesus...

Feyd
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
Holy shit, Kessel.

CTheBigPicture
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
YES

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
Ha!

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
PHIL!!!!

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
Philly cheese steak!

axlsalinger
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
Thriller.

Bleedsblue&white
10-14-2014, 09:53 PM
Can't wait for his post game.☺

Montana
10-14-2014, 09:54 PM
*fist pump*

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:54 PM
what a great game.

that is legit encouraging.

whupping detroit's ass this weekend would feel real good.

p.s. how do gardiner and bernier get back in now?

WellPlayed
10-14-2014, 09:54 PM
The man if filthy.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 09:54 PM
http://www.thxbud.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/PhilKesselThriller.png

Deckie007
10-14-2014, 09:54 PM
Thrilled with that goal.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 09:55 PM
“You guys need to relax" - Phil Kessel

TimHorton
10-14-2014, 09:55 PM
p.s. how do gardiner and bernier get back in now?

Jake could get back in for Robidas, who has been bad.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 09:56 PM
Had a rough day today, this helped out immensely....

madvillain
10-14-2014, 09:56 PM
Nice to see the Leafs be the team that dominates for a prolonged period of time. Crushed the second and third periods.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 09:57 PM
what a great game.

that is legit encouraging.

whupping detroit's ass this weekend would feel real good.

p.s. how do gardiner and bernier get back in now?
We play Detroit back to back Friday and Saturday, so maybe Bernier gets into one of those games. But if James keeps on playing well and winning, I don't see how you don't just keep riding him. As for Gardiner, I really don't know. It's ridiculous for him to be out of the lineup, but you sure as hell don't take Stuart Percy out for anybody.

zeke
10-14-2014, 09:57 PM
seriously, when was the last time we kept a team under 25 shots? did we do that even once last year?

Volcanologist
10-14-2014, 09:58 PM
yeah, Phil looked really fat and lazy on that overtime winning goal.

suck it, Feschuk.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 09:58 PM
That Komarov hit on Hejda changed the game completely...it was all Leafs after that.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 09:58 PM
That was a great, great game. I can't remember the last time they were that dominant on the puck.

That Kessel goal was just "**** it I'm ending this".

Percy is so good.

SundinsTooth
10-14-2014, 09:59 PM
Wow what a great game. It really makes that Pittsburgh game the anomaly.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 10:00 PM
I wish I was fat like Phil Kessel.

PKForce81
10-14-2014, 10:03 PM
what a great game.

that is legit encouraging.

whupping detroit's ass this weekend would feel real good.

p.s. how do gardiner and bernier get back in now?

Bernier shouldn't be in unless there's a back to back or Reimer has a really bad game. Jake similar, if someone starts struggling badly. Can't ruin it now.

The only thing i dont' like is Holland's play. He looks completely lost out there. Kozun is fine and at least uses his speed and tries. I'd give Carrick a chance instead.

I love the fact we have 2 great cycling lines. Naz's and the third line. First line just has to be better defensively and i'm still worried about that.

zeke
10-14-2014, 10:03 PM
Bozak 19:43 (58%)
Kessel 21:01
Vanryk 19:30

Kadri 20:15 (69%)
Lupul 19:21
Winnik 18:23

Santo 11:37 (80%)
Clarkson 15:51
Komarov 14:32

Holland 4:31(25%)
Kozun 5:50
Panik 4:44




Phaneuf 24:18
Franson 21:23

Percy 23:34
Polak 20:21

Rielly 18:10
Robidas 13:28



when the top three lines play this well, i won't complain about the fourth line sitting.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-14-2014, 10:04 PM
What an amazing game that was! Leafs looked fantastic. Very encouraging.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 10:07 PM
Wow what a great game. It really makes that Pittsburgh game the anomaly.

Yeah, I'll take 3 out of 4 good efforts.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 10:12 PM
Rough night for Bruins fans...

Seguin 3 goals
Kessel 1 goal, 2 assists

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 10:16 PM
I still can't believe the Bruins were dumb enough to trade Seguin, but I love them for it.

LeafGm
10-14-2014, 10:21 PM
That Komarov hit on Hejda changed the game completely...it was all Leafs after that.
That's why he's worth the money. The guy's a spark plug.

What's even more impressive is that him and Santorelli are managing to make David Clarkson look not totally useless.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 10:23 PM
Yeah... I was gonna say this after the last game but I held off - if Clarkson plays like this all year, I'd take that. I thought he was a total lost cause.

leafman101
10-14-2014, 10:26 PM
Clarkson has been good. Not $5 million good, but he's had a positive impact most of the games. He's been a big part of that line.

Montana
10-14-2014, 10:29 PM
Rough night for Bruins fans...

Seguin 3 goals
Kessel 1 goal, 2 assists



.....almost as many points as Eriksson had last year.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 10:46 PM
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee152/Metalleaf24/tumblr_ndgs8sndFd1skgd7ao1_500_zpsme3hfnxs.gif

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee152/Metalleaf24/XVcGaE6%20-%20Imgur_zpst3wa1ngg.gif

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 10:48 PM
LOL. Love Shanny's reaction.

hockeylover
10-14-2014, 10:49 PM
Picked the Leafs, Ducks, Kings in my proline tonight. Happy happy day.

Montana
10-14-2014, 10:50 PM
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee152/Metalleaf24/XVcGaE6%20-%20Imgur_zpst3wa1ngg.gif



*hides boner*

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 10:50 PM
Nonis cheers then realizes he's on TV.

BeLeafer
10-14-2014, 10:57 PM
Old friend from Jamaica called at the start of the third, but looked awesome without the sound!

Great to see them pull this out and do it convincingly. This team needed a positive buzz and they've given themselves one. Varlamov kept that much closer than it should have been.

BeLeafer
10-14-2014, 11:02 PM
Who is the guy in the white shirt ... avs fan?

zeke
10-14-2014, 11:09 PM
Doobas' second fist pump makes me lol.

CTheBigPicture
10-14-2014, 11:33 PM
Who is the guy in the white shirt ... avs fan?

I think the gif is from the season opener.

BG
10-14-2014, 11:33 PM
Who is the guy in the white shirt ... avs fan?

Not sure if kidding.

Pretty sure that clip is from opening night vs. the Habs.

BG
10-14-2014, 11:34 PM
I think the gif is from the season opener.

Jinx, no returns.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 11:35 PM
My bad then, someone posted it in the reddit Leafs/Avs thread...oh well still funny.

MindzEye
10-14-2014, 11:36 PM
Yeah... I was gonna say this after the last game but I held off - if Clarkson plays like this all year, I'd take that. I thought he was a total lost cause.

Agreed.


He'll never be worth the contract...and frankly, it will probably be the worst contract in the league for it's entire span. But the guy we've seen to start the season is at least useful on the 3rd line.

Metalleaf
10-14-2014, 11:39 PM
If he can play like a $3M player(15 goals 35 points) and provide some energy, he'll be fine.

Wayward DP
10-14-2014, 11:49 PM
What a great game. One of the best efforts I've seen in a long time. Honestly can't remember the last time the Leafs carried the play like that, really, really encouraging stuff.

The Kadri and Santo lines have been fantastic, dominating the puck. Loved the physicality and aggression tonight, really taking the body and using our speed to wreak havoc. The D were pretty good for the most part, Robidas looks a step slow and Rielly hasn't been great, but man oh man Stuart Percy. Still very early yet, but I'm loving his poise and IQ out there. Polak continues to pleasantly surprise me too, big mean and physical but can still keep up with the play and makes very smart reads. Franson's gonna Franson, but hopefully this is a showcase and he's gone soon. Dion needs to play angry all the time.

Fourth line barely got any ice but hard to complain with the way the top three were playing. Saving grace for the Avs is Varly continues to look like a top goalie, he held them in it most of the game. Reimer was really solid too, great to see that from him. Imagine he will be getting the start against Detroit.

And of course, Phil. What a treat to watch.

Wayward DP
10-14-2014, 11:50 PM
And yeah, Clarkson has been a great third liner so far. If only he had hands...

Pucklosopher
10-15-2014, 07:36 AM
It's early yet. But the Leafs looked like an actual team last night, instead of just a collection of talent that you hope can win you the game. I think the team's pride will be buoyed by being able to assert themselves and come up with a W. I expect that they will go into Detroit and similarly try to impose their will on the Wings.

Reinforcing that assertive attitude is what a 3rd line, even if they don't score, can bring to the team.

I wouldn't mind if the 4th line got an extra minute or two. But I really like that they are leaning on the Kadri line more, giving them almost as many minutes as the Kessel line. If both the top two lines were around 19:00 minutes per game, that'd be ideal IMO.

CRL
10-15-2014, 08:05 AM
this is alarming, how fast people forgot shitty first 2 periods what team played. not a 60 min effort at all.

Artnes
10-15-2014, 08:27 AM
That was a great, great game. I can't remember the last time they were that dominant on the puck.

That Kessel goal was just "**** it I'm ending this".

Percy is so good.

Percy has been a joy to watch. I mentioned yesterday how Rielly and Gardiner need to slow the game down more and take control and that is exactly what Percy is doing.

He made a few plays last night where he held on to the puck for that extra second to allow him to create space and a scoring chance

soco22
10-15-2014, 08:32 AM
Not taking a lot out of this. The Avs struggle when it comes to defense too.

But nice to get the two points.

leafman101
10-15-2014, 08:37 AM
this is alarming, how fast people forgot shitty first 2 periods what team played. not a 60 min effort at all.

What game were you watching? The Leafs absolutely dominated the Avs from the 2nd period on, out Corsi-ing them 56-27. The Avs outplayed them for like the first 5 minutes of the game. From the 5 minute mark on it was 68-43 Leafs

Pucklosopher
10-15-2014, 09:18 AM
I'm not saying it was a picture-perfect masterpiece by the Leafs. They still have a ways to go. But it's at least a start. When is the last time the Leafs were the aggressors, ahead on the shot-count, and deservedly taking the W? Did it happen at all last year?

number17
10-15-2014, 09:24 AM
It was a fun game indeed. It's always great to watch 2 skilled team playing a free-flowing style of hockey. The thing is, if I were Roy, I wouldn't play this style vs. teh Leafs, cause it gives the Leafs the best chance. If I play a boring lock down style of hockey and slow it down in the neutral zone, the Leafs would turnover at their blueline and get confused on their defensive coverage in their own zone, and that's how you kill them.

Nevertheless a great game by the buds. Random thoughts ...

- Clarkson actually played very well. I can't believe I am saying this, but the 3rd line cycled well, Clarkson and Komarov hit everything that moved, kept the puck in the offensive zone, and while they didn't score they did create chances. Clarkson created some chances himself but muscling his way out from behind to the side of the net and getting the puck in the bluepaint, but Komarov / Santo couldn't capitalize (and same vice versa) but the 3rd line deserves much praise.

- Kessel's the hero in this game, and JVR scored a beautiful goal too. The only thing is, I wish the 1st line is better in its defensive coverage. While I think the coaches should continue to work with JVR and Kessel on plays without the puck, what they can really use is a big, defensively reliable center. Bozak's backchecking is fine, (as is Kessel and JVR) but Bozak's zone coverage down low is putrid.

- Kadri's line was easily the best line tonight, despite Kessel's line scored 2 out of 3 goals. But Lupul and Kadri really had it going, and Winnik was decent doing the dirty work, banging bodies, keeping the puck in play along the board and in corners.

- To give credit where credit is due, the Leafs kept the aves to under 25 shots ... I can't remember the last time that happened.

- Robidas was dropped to the 2nd unit and he was still a liability out there, but at least he was taking bodies and made some big hits. To be fair, he probably needs 10-12 games before he is back to form, but I wonder if he might take a seat in pressbox and let Gardiner play during the weekend

- the one difference in this game from previous 3 games, is we were PHYSICAL. The Aves kept seeing #3, #12, #47, #71, and even #43 and #19 in their face all game long

- Reimer was steady and that's all we needed in this one. No soft goal at least, which is better than Bernier in the first 2 games already.

zeke
10-15-2014, 09:51 AM
phaneuf and franson were pretty beastly. they were really crushing the avs forwards all night long.

Bleedsblue&white
10-15-2014, 10:15 AM
People mentioning Clarkson's hands; remember he's wearing a cage now...he's never going to be a superstar but I say his puck control improves when he can see again.

LeafGm
10-15-2014, 10:36 AM
People mentioning Clarkson's hands; remember he's wearing a cage now...he's never going to be a superstar but I say his puck control improves when he can see again.
He replaced the cage with a full visor for last night's game.

hockeylover
10-15-2014, 10:51 AM
Percy looks really fantastic.

Artnes
10-15-2014, 11:16 AM
Hopefully he can develop into one of those late 1st round gems we always seem to miss out on

leafman101
10-15-2014, 11:24 AM
ES TOI//G
Polak - 16.41 (1st)
Percy - 16.03 (3rd)

GFon/60
Percy - 1.87 (2nd)
Polak - 1.83 (4th)

GAon/60
Polak - 1.83 (1st)
Percy - 1.87 (2nd)

Corsi Rel
Polak - 8.5 (1st)
Percy - -0.6 (4th)

Off Zone Starts
Polak - 45.0 (1st)
Percy - 52.4 (2nd)


The expectation was these guys would be their bottom pair/extras, but they have been their best defensemen. Polak and Percy have both been revelations. Both way better than I was expecting. Oh yeah and Polak is better than Gunnar. He is better at everything other than with the puck. Better skater, bigger, better down low, better at reading when to pinch, more physical, better with quick outlet passes. He just doesn't handle the puck as well.

Pucklosopher
10-15-2014, 11:29 AM
Polak has been really solid thus far. And even if starts to struggle, as rookies do, Percy is a keeper.

Now they have to find the right mix on the top-2 pairs. Hopefully Robidas gets into Robidas form sooner rather than later.

Bleedsblue&white
10-15-2014, 11:30 AM
He replaced the cage with a full visor for last night's game.

There ya go, he's going to score this weekend then.

Bleedsblue&white
10-15-2014, 11:31 AM
If Percy does flag a bit it'll be in the physical dept as the games wear on, but you can't teach smarts like he has, and you don't lose them either.

zeke
10-15-2014, 11:37 AM
ES TOI//G
Polak - 16.41 (1st)
Percy - 16.03 (3rd)

GFon/60
Percy - 1.87 (2nd)
Polak - 1.83 (4th)

GAon/60
Polak - 1.83 (1st)
Percy - 1.87 (2nd)

Corsi Rel
Polak - 8.5 (1st)
Percy - -0.6 (4th)

Off Zone Starts
Polak - 45.0 (1st)
Percy - 52.4 (2nd)


The expectation was these guys would be their bottom pair/extras, but they have been their best defensemen. Polak and Percy have both been revelations. Both way better than I was expecting. Oh yeah and Polak is better than Gunnar. He is better at everything other than with the puck. Better skater, bigger, better down low, better at reading when to pinch, more physical, better with quick outlet passes. He just doesn't handle the puck as well.


what site are you using?

I'm not sure those numbers are up to date for the last game.

zeke
10-15-2014, 11:47 AM
from war-on-ice.com (which looks like the best new advanced stats site to me. really slick):

Even Strength

Phaneuf 15:47, +4.61 Frel%, +5.51 Crel%, +4.97 OffZSrel%
Percy 15:36, +4.45 Frel%, +1.97 Crel%, -18.74 OffZSrel%
Gardiner 16:07, +2.55 Frel%, +3.02 Crel%, +17.06 OffZSrel%
Polak 17:41, +1.38 Frel%, +2.46 Crel%, -22.25 OffZSrel%
Franson 13:53, -1.49 Frele%, -4.70 Crel%, +16.05 OffZSrel%
Rielly 14:40, -3.26 Frel%, -4.49 Crel%, +25.44 OffZSrel%
Robidas 15:17, -7.92 Frel%, -4.87 Crel%, -4.34 OffZSrel%

SENSible
10-15-2014, 11:49 AM
Leafs took full advantage of a team with tired legs in a back-to-back situation and really carried the play, especially late in the game.

zeke
10-15-2014, 11:50 AM
that was the third game in four nights for the leafs, and the avs previous game was an afternoon game.

hockeylover
10-15-2014, 11:54 AM
Leafs took full advantage of a team with tired legs in a back-to-back situation and really carried the play, especially late in the game.

:lol Never fails.

PKForce81
10-15-2014, 12:43 PM
Just saw the game again. Not as good as i initially thought(did miss about 10 mins last night). We gave up lower amount of shots but there was at least 5-6 very good scoring chances that on another night could have been goals. We had our own good shots as well but still i don't like the fact we were way too sloppy. At least the effort was there and we saw a lot of good hits but yea we still have to be even better. Glad Reimer had another solid game..Thought he'd never return to his old form.

zeke
10-15-2014, 01:36 PM
5 or 6 quality scoring chances allowed is good, not bad.

PKForce81
10-15-2014, 01:56 PM
5 or 6 quality scoring chances allowed is good, not bad.

If you're happy i'm happy zeke but when i say quality chances i'm talking about 100% chance that either Reims made a very good save or the guy barely missed while shooting right from the slot..We should be cleaning those up. I'd rather allow 30+ shots from bad angles.

zeke
10-15-2014, 02:03 PM
near impossible not to allow at least 5 quality chances in a game, especially against a good NHL offense.

PKForce81
10-15-2014, 02:18 PM
near impossible not to allow at least 5 quality chances in a game, especially against a good NHL offense.

Yeah they seemed to get away from our d and forwards using their speed and some nifty turns during board play. Some of the guys(especially on our 1st line) keep missing their assignments and not taking anyone. Maybe a slower, less skilled team against us wouldn't have done that so you have a point there.

zeke
10-15-2014, 02:20 PM
no, even a less skilled team will still muster up 5 or 6 good chances in any game. And that'll be a bad game for them.

If the Leafs were only able to muster 5 or 6 good chances that would be an awful game for us.

hockeylover
10-15-2014, 04:28 PM
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