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number17
10-17-2014, 11:44 AM
First game of a back-to-back, and the season's already got plenty of storylines into this game.

To me though, back-to-back with the Wings is memorable ... rewind to last season, in the beginning of the 14 games slump that saw us free-falling out of a playoff berth eventually ... we actually had a back-to-back vs. the Wings, and the Wings were really struggling at the time. If we could sweep, or even get 3 points out of 4 from the 'lowly Wings', it would have secured our playoff berth.

Of course, what eventually happened was the Leaf lost BOTH games to the Wings without registering a point, and the rest is history.

And the sad reality is, despite much much better bottom 6, this team still reminds me SO MUCH of that same team that dropped the back-to-back to the Wings last year. I still see all kinds of defensive lapses, same 'swamp' system behind the same coach through much of the first 4 games. At least the W over the Aves had a lot of positives in it ... let's see whether the next 2 games reveal we're indeed on an upward swing, or if the win over the Aves was just a mirage.

The storylines going into tonight include:

- We can safely assume Reimer will get the start tonight? and Bernier tomorrow? What if Bernier has another weak game? Does it make Reimer the 1A then?

- Will Gardiner get in the lineup tonight? The Leafs have won both games with him out of the lineup, but at some point he's gotta get back in.

- Vs. the Aves was the first game the Leafs did NOT get outshot ... what happens tonight? Will our puck possession improve from the first 3 games of the season?

- Lupul is a game time decision. If Lupul can't go who starts on the 2nd line? Who else gets into the lineup? Frattin?

- Kadri's icetime surpassed Bozak's in game 3 & 4 ... will we continue to see Kadri taking over as the #1C?

- 3rd line was dominant and even Clarkson had a very good game ... will he finally find his game?

- Robidas still had a pretty weak game ... when will his game come back?




Go Leafs Go!!!

zeke
10-17-2014, 11:56 AM
2yr Stats (until the 5-10gm mark):


Line 1

C T.Bozak (28): 104gms, 31gls, 77pts, 43.9cf%, 20:40 (82gms, 25gls, 61pts)
C H.Zetterberg (34): 91gms, 27gls, 96pts, 53.9cf%, 20:32 (82gms, 24gls, 87pts)

W P.Kessel (27): 130gms, 57gls, 132pts, 44.9cf%, 20:21 (82gms, 36gls, 83pts)
W G.Nyquist (25): 79gms, 31gls, 54pts, 54.5cf%, 18:26 (82gms, 32gls, 56pts)

W J.Vanriemsdyk (25): 128gms, 48gls, 93pts, 44.7cf%, 20:21 (82gms, 31gls, 60pts)
W J.Franzen (35): 95gms, 30gls, 72pts, 52.1cf%, 17:50 (82gms, 26gls, 62pts)

Line 2

C N.Kadri (24): 126gms, 38gls, 94pts, 45.9cf%, 16:53 (82gms, 25gls, 61pts)
C R.Sheahan (23): 43gms, 9gls, 24pts, 56.1cf%, 14:26 (82gms, 24gls, 46pts)

W J.Lupul (31): 85gms, 33gls, 62pts, 42.8cf%, 18:01 (82gms, 31gls, 60pts)
W T.Tatar (24): 91gms, 23gls, 46pts, 57.0cf%, 13:46 (82gms, 21gls, 42pts)

W D.Winnik (29): 124gms, 12gls, 49pts, 48.6cf%, 15:57 (82gms, 8gls, 32pts)
W T.Jurco (21): 36gms, 8gls, 15pts, 55.8cf%, 13:28 (82gms, 18gls, 34pts)

Line 3

C M.Santorelli (29): 83gms, 12gls, 32pts, 50.6cf%, 15:32 (82gms, 12gls, 32pts)
C D.Helm (27): 43gms, 12gls, 20pts, 53.1cf%, 15:09 (82gms, 23gls, 38pts)

W D.Clarkson (30): 108gms, 20gls, 35pts, 49.7cf%, 16:13 (82gms, 15gls, 27pts)
W J.Abdelkader (27): 118gms, 20gls, 41pts, 52.7cf%, 15:06 (82gms, 14gls, 29pts)

W L.Komarov (27): 42gms, 4gls, 9pts, 45.7cf%, 13:56 (82gms, 8gls, 17pts)
W D.Miller (30): 126gms, 11gls, 23pts, 48.3cf%, 14:01 (82gms, 7gls, 15pts)

Line 4

C P.Holland (23): 64gms, 9gls, 16pts, 44.6cf% 11:26 (82gms, 12gls, 21pts)
C L.Glendening (25): 56gms, 1gls, 7pts, 46.2cf%, 13:55 (82gms, 2gls, 10pts)

W R.Panik (23): 75gms, 8gls, 22pts, 48.9cf%, 12:14 (82gms, 9gls, 24pts)
W J.Andersson (25): 103gms, 11gls, 25pts, 52.7cf%, 13:11 (82gms, 9gls, 20pts)

W B.Kozun (24): ---
W A.Nestrasil (23): --------




Pair 1

D D.Phaneuf (29): 128gms, 17gls, 59pts, 41.3cf%, 24:13 (82gms, 11gls, 38pts)
D N.Kronwall (33): 127gms, 13gls, 78pts, 52.7cf%, 24:20 (82gms, 8gls, 50pts)

D C.Franson (27): 124gms, 9gls, 62pts, 45.2cf%, 20:00 (82gms, 6gls, 41pts)
D B.Smith (25): 105gms, 5gls, 27pts, 54.6cf%, 18:24 (82gms, 4gls, 21pts)

Pair 2

D J.Gardiner (24): 92gms, 10gls, 35pts, 46.6cf%, 21:00 (82gms, 9gls, 31pts)
D D.Dekeyser (24): 76gms, 4gls, 24pts, 49.9cf%, 21:07 (82gms, 4gls, 26pts)

D M.Rielly (20): 73gms, 2gls, 27pts, 44.5cf%, 17:37 (82gms, 2gls, 30pts)
D K.Quincey (29): 118gms, 5gls, 16pts, 51.3cf%, 20:19 (82gms, 4gls, 11pts)

Pair 3

D R.Polak (28): 120gms, 5gls, 19pts, 49.5cf%, 17:46 (82gms, 3gls, 13pts)
D J.Ericsson (30): 93gms, 4gls, 24pts, 52.6cf%, 21:17 (82gms, 4gls, 21pts)

D S.Percy (21): -----
D J.Kindl (27): 107gms, 6gls, 32pts, 53.0cf%, 17:44 (82gms, 5gls, 25pts)



Starting Goalie

G J.Reimer (26): .917sv% (69gms)
G J.Howard (30): .916sv% (93gms)

Backup Goalie

G J.Bernier (26): .922sv% (69gms)
G J.Gustavsson (30): .903sv% (34gms)



Injured / Suspended

W D.Booth (30): 78gms, 10gls, 22pts, 53.0cf%, 13:21 (82gms, 11gls, 23pts)

C P.Datsyuk (36): 92gms, 32gls, 86pts, 56.8cf%, 20:13 (82gms, 29gls, 77pts)

zeke
10-17-2014, 12:05 PM
Jonas Siegel ‏@jonasTSN1050 2m2 minutes ago
Lupul confirms he'll play tonight

Killer93
10-17-2014, 12:18 PM
Man Detroit's line-up looks weak minus Alfie and Datsyuk, need to go for the sweep this weekend

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 12:53 PM
Good to see that Lupul is in. Sitting Robidas is a good call, as the body doesn't bounce back as fast when you're over 35 and he can probably use some rest as he gets up to speed.

Big series, imo ... Leafs need to build on the improved play from last game to get themselves on the right track for the season.

zeke
10-17-2014, 01:13 PM
I think Weiss is in for Abdelkader. I'll edit my post.

zeke
10-17-2014, 01:14 PM
hilariously, Stephen Weiss' contract is arguably worse than Clarkson's.

zeke
10-17-2014, 01:17 PM
actually take that back, abdelkader is in.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 01:22 PM
hilariously, Stephen Weiss' contract is arguably worse than Clarkson's.

Except they've got him for 5 years rather than 7. But if Clarkson can be effective on the checking line for the next 6, then yes ... it's better than Weiss. Time will tell.

MapleLeafBlueJayBoy
10-17-2014, 05:36 PM
3-2 Leafs

blacksheep
10-17-2014, 06:45 PM
2-1 Wings. Babcock schools Carlyle on NHL coaching.

MindzEye
10-17-2014, 06:51 PM
This is going to be a good test for the "new" system. Colorado is a poor possession club. Not as poor as they were made to look against Toronto, but poor none the less. Detroit is a strong as **** systems team, that even when they're lacking in talent, are hard to play against. If the Leafs can win the possession battle against Detroit, I'll start to buy the idea of the Leafs being capable of major stylistic changes under Randy.

Montana
10-17-2014, 06:58 PM
Kypreos reporting that the Leafs contacted the Red Wings about Babcock, before signing Carlyle to his extension.

blacksheep
10-17-2014, 07:05 PM
Kypreos reporting that the Leafs contacted the Red Wings about Babcock, before signing Carlyle to his extension.
Babcock is precisely what this team would require for the kind of changes they're wishing for. I doubt Kypreos' sources, but perhaps Shanny can help with that this summer.

MindzEye
10-17-2014, 07:18 PM
Kypreos reporting that the Leafs contacted the Red Wings about Babcock, before signing Carlyle to his extension.

Makes a lot of sense. At the time, Holland at least wanted the chance to extend him.

zeke
10-17-2014, 07:31 PM
some nice neutral zone work so far.

Montana
10-17-2014, 07:42 PM
Jesus Christ....filthy pass by Zetts.

zeke
10-17-2014, 07:44 PM
bah.

zeke
10-17-2014, 07:48 PM
team's confidence is still shaky. one goal and they get all jumpy.

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 07:50 PM
Rough night for Polak so far.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 07:52 PM
Let's hope they can build some momentum off a great pk.

zeke
10-17-2014, 07:52 PM
nice work, kozun.

another great kill.

zeke
10-17-2014, 07:54 PM
red wings diving all over the place.

Montana
10-17-2014, 07:54 PM
nice work James.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 07:55 PM
Tim ****ing Peel ... just thrown on your wings jersey.

Bleedsblue&white
10-17-2014, 07:56 PM
Entertaining game, one mistake is the difference so far.

Montana
10-17-2014, 07:57 PM
David "You ain't" Clark,son.

zeke
10-17-2014, 07:59 PM
should be a penalty shot.

kozun, kid, you're winning me over.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:01 PM
solid period.

especially with all the kills.

just a bad break on the goal against.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 08:01 PM
JVR, Leo and Kozun have been great on the pk ... really keep the opp on their toes.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:03 PM
don't forget winnik. man I loved that signing but he looks even better than I thought he would.

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 08:03 PM
We're using a 5'8, 170lb player as a PK specialist...and it's working. Kid's signature move is ending an opposition power play by making them take a penalty.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:12 PM
gardiner second on the team with 7:53 of ice that period....even with all the PKs.

good on you, carlyle.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:14 PM
Phaneuf 8:25 (25:15)
Franson 6:16 (18:48)

Gardiner 7:53 (23:39)
Rielly 7:21 (22:03)

Polak 5:12 (15:36)
Percy 5:10 (15:30)

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:17 PM
Bozak 5:30 (16:30)
Kessel 5:03 (15:09)
Vanryk 6:12 (18:36)

Kadri 3:50 (11:30)
Lupul 4:27 (13:21)
Winnik 7:52 (23:36)

Santo 2:29 (7:27)
Komarov 4:50 (14:30)
Clarkson 2:35 (7:45)

Holland 3:53 (11:39)
Kozun 4:36 (13:48)
Panik 2:26 (7:18)

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 08:21 PM
don't forget winnik. man I loved that signing but he looks even better than I thought he would.

Yeah, really useful addition.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:23 PM
come on clarkie bury one of those already. come on man.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:24 PM
finally the refs caught one of those red wing cheat moves. about time.

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 08:27 PM
For ****'s sake.

SundinsTooth
10-17-2014, 08:27 PM
Frustrating team to watch sometimes.

Deckie007
10-17-2014, 08:27 PM
Too many goddamn passes.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 08:27 PM
F*CK

Deckie007
10-17-2014, 08:28 PM
Also, wtf was that?

da_next_kid
10-17-2014, 08:28 PM
What a pass by Zetterberg, 2-0 Wings

SundinsTooth
10-17-2014, 08:28 PM
Kozun got killed

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:28 PM
dammit zetterberg again.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 08:28 PM
Kozun just got destroyed.

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 08:29 PM
Oh come on.

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 08:29 PM
Well, shit. That's a broken leg.

WellPlayed
10-17-2014, 08:29 PM
Ya his leg is ****ed.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:29 PM
legs don't bend that way.

CRL
10-17-2014, 08:29 PM
How that wasnt offside?

ForeverTML
10-17-2014, 08:30 PM
Yowza, looks like Kozun is going to be gone for a while. That looked ugly.

Can we get some other guys to ****ing hit other than Komarov?

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 08:30 PM
Little guy got utterly pasted there.

Deckie007
10-17-2014, 08:30 PM
Kozun :(

Poor bastard.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 08:30 PM
Zetterberg is so good. Hopefully we can develop Nylander to be that type of player some day.

blacksheep
10-17-2014, 08:31 PM
2-0 already. Let the schooling begin

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 08:33 PM
The only thing that's worse than losing 2-0 is listening to these god damn commentators.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:36 PM
we really sag after we give up goals.

we get all nervous and need time to get our heads back in it.

that's gotta stop.

da_next_kid
10-17-2014, 08:36 PM
Damn Ericsson had JVR in full mount.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 08:38 PM
Polak is a real adventure out there tonight.

ForeverTML
10-17-2014, 08:39 PM
Polak is sucking hard.

I dont know if its just me but it seems like this team doesnt hit anymore. ****.

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 08:39 PM
Polak is a real adventure out there tonight.
It may be his turn to sit tomorrow night.

CRL
10-17-2014, 08:40 PM
Good leadership, take dumb penalty when ur team down 2

SundinsTooth
10-17-2014, 08:43 PM
Those red wings sure fall awful easily.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 08:43 PM
Percy has been an adventure tonight.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 08:44 PM
Great work by Tim Peel along the boards to keep the puck in our end. Ever hear of jumping, you twat?

blacksheep
10-17-2014, 08:44 PM
Good leadership, take dumb penalty when ur team down 2
By the same token, you don't let a player take liberties like that. Credit to Double Dion on that one.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:45 PM
lupul taking a shift with the fourth line guys in kozie's spot - and they have a good shift.

CRL
10-17-2014, 08:46 PM
Is Bozak scratched today?

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:49 PM
slick slick play by Dion to grab that stick from the bench fullstride and still break up that play.

nice.

SundinsTooth
10-17-2014, 08:52 PM
Ugly out there tonight.

leaffan2005
10-17-2014, 08:52 PM
God damn this ****ing team.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:52 PM
christ. another crazy bounce right to zetterberg of all people. fack.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 08:52 PM
F*cking Zetterberg.

And who's "F*CK" did we here on the broadcast?

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:52 PM
kadri let him go. dammit.

Montana
10-17-2014, 08:53 PM
blech. ugly one.

SundinsTooth
10-17-2014, 08:54 PM
Shambolic defense tonight...good to see.

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 08:54 PM
Well, hopefully they don't roll over and die in the third.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 08:54 PM
How many times does Polak have to be undressed by Zetterberg before they stop putting him out for that match up?

SundinsTooth
10-17-2014, 08:54 PM
Reimer may be falling apart as well.

WellPlayed
10-17-2014, 08:55 PM
Have we had a single good scoring chance?

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 08:55 PM
This is gross.

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 08:55 PM
How many times does Polak have to be undressed by Zetterberg before they stop putting him out for that match up?
Either Carlyle doesn't really give a shit about match-ups, or he's just really bad at them.

zeke
10-17-2014, 08:58 PM
dammit we weren't even playing badly until the last stretch there.

zetts has been lucky and good and has broken this game open all by himself.

MindzEye
10-17-2014, 09:01 PM
Nonis out of town watching Edmonton-Vancouver....

David Perron?

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:02 PM
I don't think the Leafs have looked very good at all. They've been having a helluva time getting through the neutral zone all night long. Looks like a coaching clinic ... and Randy is the student (not a very good one at that).

MindzEye
10-17-2014, 09:02 PM
Anyone have the possession numbers through 2 periods?

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:05 PM
its 33-25 at even strength for Detroit - but they were tied at the 30 minute mark.

the last five minutes was all detroit.

pretty chart here: http://war-on-ice.com/game.html?seasongcode=2014201520059

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:06 PM
Either Carlyle doesn't really give a shit about match-ups, or he's just really bad at them.

He just never adapts in the game. Usually sticks with shitty match ups until it is too late. Tonight is typical of this.

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:06 PM
I don't think the Leafs have looked very good at all. They've been having a helluva time getting through the neutral zone all night long. Looks like a coaching clinic ... and Randy is the student (not a very good one at that).

they have been having trouble getting through the neutral zone, but so had detroit....until that last stretch there.

MindzEye
10-17-2014, 09:08 PM
its 33-25 at even strength for Detroit - but they were tied at the 30 minute mark.

the last five minutes was all detroit.

pretty chart here: http://war-on-ice.com/game.html?seasongcode=2014201520059

You sir, are a pimp.


Except for you know, the getting women part.

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:09 PM
Gardiner 15:49 (23:43)
Rielly 13:45 (20:38)

Phaneuf 14:39 (21:59)
Franson 12:26 (18:39)

Polak 11:44 (17:36)
Percy 11:36 (17:24)

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:12 PM
its 33-25 at even strength for Detroit - but they were tied at the 30 minute mark.

the last five minutes was all detroit.

pretty chart here: http://war-on-ice.com/game.html?seasongcode=2014201520059

OMG ... a shift chart!!! I could never understand why the NHL stopped providing that.

This is a great site, found it earlier in the week sniffing around the Canes forum on HF. Looks like they were more out-possessed for the second half of the first than the last 5 of the second.

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:13 PM
Bozak 10:35 (15:53)
Kessel 11:03 (16:35)
vanryk 10:47 (16:11)

Kadri 10:26 (15:39)
Lupul 12:27 (18:41)
Winnik 12:45 (19:08)

Santo 8:06 (12:09)
Clarkson 8:36 (12:54)
Komarov 9:22 (14:03)

holland 6:22 (9:33)
Kozun 5:32 (8:18)
Panik 4:55 (7:23)

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:13 PM
Okay, let's see if this team can do something to make this interesting.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 09:14 PM
Santa

WellPlayed
10-17-2014, 09:14 PM
Komarov showing some offensive chops.

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 09:14 PM
Oh thank God, some life.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:14 PM
There it is ... beautiful feed by Leo and helluva backhand roofer by Santorelli.

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 09:15 PM
Three points for the third line on that goal!

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:15 PM
Percy looks like he's been huffing on the Franson bong tonight.

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:15 PM
Looks like they were more out-possessed for the second half of the first than the last 5 of the second.

how do you figure?

10 min: 9-9
20 min: 17-14

30 min: 21-21
40 min: 33-25

CRL
10-17-2014, 09:18 PM
Franson is helpless

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:19 PM
third line's gonna do this all by themselves.

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:21 PM
second line with their worst game of the year.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:21 PM
how do you figure?

10 min: 9-9
20 min: 17-14

30 min: 21-21
40 min: 33-25

I was just looking at the chart ... didn't spend much time on it though. Thought I saw big separation at the 10 minute mark.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 09:22 PM
garbage

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 09:22 PM
This team, man. This team...

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:22 PM
crap.

these broken plays are killing us.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
Franson watching the puck ...

LeafGm
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
Franson lacks a brain.

MindzEye
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
Leo is ****ing awesome...breaks up an odd man rush by being obstructed with one of the skaters on the rush and pushing him off side.

Montana
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
woof.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
second line with their worst game of the year.

Easily ... pretty crappy tonight.

Killer93
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
****ing Franson

MindzEye
10-17-2014, 09:23 PM
****...

CRL
10-17-2014, 09:24 PM
save would be nice at this point

WellPlayed
10-17-2014, 09:24 PM
What is with these pucks just landing on a detroit stick. Three goals like that.

And **** Franson.

Killer93
10-17-2014, 09:25 PM
Reimer was deep in the net there as well

CRL
10-17-2014, 09:26 PM
****ing Franson

Randy will pin Gards for that

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 09:27 PM
Our defense has been junk all night. All of them.

Artnes
10-17-2014, 09:27 PM
Need a big game from Bernie tomorrow if we come out like this again.

Leafin'
10-17-2014, 09:28 PM
Again. Where is our defense.

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 09:29 PM
I still have a hard time looking at our D individually and seeing how they can possibly be this bad.

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:29 PM
kadri getting punished, holland out with his wingers.

Killer93
10-17-2014, 09:31 PM
Carlyle is such a joke; and our D is a mess right now

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:32 PM
... and Holland takes a hooking penalty.

CRL
10-17-2014, 09:32 PM
Holland is playing like pussy this season

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:36 PM
Millen is the worst.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:38 PM
Thankfully, I have the detroit feed tonight.

Dion gets a roughing because the guy skates with his head down? Tim Peel special.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:39 PM
MLSE is gonna love this toss your jersey away thing.

Killer93
10-17-2014, 09:41 PM
Enough with jersey tossing geeze

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:41 PM
really don't like the way we've rolled over here in the third.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:44 PM
Mailed it in ... 13-4 on the shot clock. Randy sure knows how to fire up his team.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:47 PM
On the bright side, we get Gus tomorrow.

zeke
10-17-2014, 09:48 PM
panik is really bad.

leaffan2005
10-17-2014, 09:53 PM
Just a disgusting effort again tonight. How do you just stop trying after you are down time and time again? Very concerning sign. Never seen a Leafs team so mentally fragile in years and it starts with the man in charge.

Just fire him and get it over with. Do they want another lost season before they decide to pull the plug?

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 09:58 PM
I'd take almost anyone over Randy at this point (on an interim basis).

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 10:00 PM
I woulda had him gone after last year's disaster.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 10:02 PM
The team just utterly stopped playing after the fourth goal ... with over 14 minutes left on the clock. Something is seriously wrong when you see that happening.

And to zeke's point earlier, they crumble at the first sign of adversity. It's pretty hard to like a team that plays like that.

leaffan2005
10-17-2014, 10:06 PM
Second unacceptable effort at home. That's the other troubling thing. To play like this so often in front of your home crowd. What do you expect the fans to do? Good on them to throw shit and boo. They are as tired as we are over this garbage.

BeLeafer
10-17-2014, 10:09 PM
Yeah, I've got no issue with the fans expressing their displeasure. Didn't that help to get Wilson fired?

In other news, Detroit's possession line went right off the chart at the 55 minute mark ... http://war-on-ice.com/game.html?seasongcode=2014201520059 ha ha

blacksheep
10-17-2014, 10:18 PM
I woulda had him gone after last year's disaster.
That's when he should have been gone. What a joke.
On the plus side, this team has learned to collapse earlier in the season. Like four games in.

blacksheep
10-17-2014, 10:26 PM
Well, hopefully they don't roll over and die in the third.
Well actually... Now that you mention it...

Leafyblue
10-17-2014, 10:27 PM
They can start throwing waffle shirts maybe.

http://www180.lunapic.com/editor/working/141362908355636?2418218814

hockeylover
10-17-2014, 10:29 PM
We should really get out the waffles again.

LeafOfFaith
10-17-2014, 10:31 PM
I ****ing hate Franson so much. As much as I love Gardiner, I would jump on a Staal deal just to get Franson out of town. Christ, he sucks.

But not as much as Carlyle. In a game where you're getting zero offense, bench Kadri. Why, because he was obviously gassed and couldn't take his man on that Detroit goal. Meanwhile, sucking shit like Holland, Panik, and Franson carries no consequences. It's only if you're really good like Kadri and Gardiner that you get embarrassed and abused.

And where is this system that is supposed to get us better possession? Almost every play is a dump or shoot in. And it's like the guys just aren't in sync at all out there.

As we all wanted, they should have fired Carlyle at the end of last year, given a younger guy a shot, and seen if it worked out, then maybe keep him, and if not, go all out for Babcock. They're pissing away the whole ****ing season with that fat ****ing dumbass in charge back there.

It is so frustrating watching this team lose. Because they lose with zero compete. ****ers.

blacksheep
10-17-2014, 10:35 PM
So much for judging the team too early in this season, eh?
What a joke.

LeafOfFaith
10-17-2014, 10:45 PM
Judging the shitty dman Franson has always been, and the horrendous coach Carlyle is, are not new things.

They are continuing problems that are killing the team from season to season.

blacksheep
10-18-2014, 01:40 AM
I wasn't referring to your comment.

ForeverTML
10-18-2014, 08:38 AM
Just a disgusting effort again tonight. How do you just stop trying after you are down time and time again? Very concerning sign. Never seen a Leafs team so mentally fragile in years and it starts with the man in charge.

Just fire him and get it over with. Do they want another lost season before they decide to pull the plug?

The answer to your question is a big giant yes.

Shanny's pretty much written off this season with signing Randy back again - no reasonable man would expect things to change by replacing assistants. He is hoping for Babcock next summer. Which in my opinion is one of the dubmest move a team can make.

I just dont see this team playing consistent hockey like the colorado game. This game was an indication of a plethora of defensive issues with this team. And the turnovers....daer lord, different personnel, same issue. I dont know how this happens.

And it turns out the idiot behind the bench doesnt know either - based on his post game.

MindzEye
10-18-2014, 09:13 AM
I think the Colorado game wasn't so much the Leafs being awesome as it was a team with similar problems to our own, having a really poor game. A lot of clubs made us look really bad for long stretches last season because we have some fundamental system flaws. We exposed similar flaws in Colorado the other night, which is a lot different than controlling the play that dominantly against a quality possession club.

JackBurton
10-18-2014, 11:45 AM
Dion has been so shitty since he signed that deal. I know Carlyle will just sit Percy next game, but he should make a statement and sit a vet.

Maybe Clarkson isn't the worst deal on this team.

Killer93
10-18-2014, 12:10 PM
Clarkson and Komorov have led the charge up front; that whole 3rd line has been one of the rare bright spots of this young season

Pronger84
10-19-2014, 02:14 AM
We should really get out the waffles again.

Nah waffles was a Wilson thing, I'd say go with toasters but they're hard to Sneak in and would seriously hurt the players in the ice.

People should be throwing burnt toast in the ice.

GEEMAN
10-19-2014, 07:13 AM
Dion has been so shitty since he signed that deal. I know Carlyle will just sit Percy next game, but he should make a statement and sit a vet.

Maybe Clarkson isn't the worst deal on this team.

Dion had the team by the nuts and the overpayment was obvious

JackBurton
10-19-2014, 11:29 AM
Forget about waffles and jerseys. we should all storm the ice and take turns slapping Carlyle.

Pronger84
10-19-2014, 02:49 PM
Forget about waffles and jerseys. we should all storm the ice and take turns slapping Carlyle.

I'm down for that.

zeke
10-19-2014, 03:14 PM
Phaneuf has been great this year.

Bleedsblue&white
10-19-2014, 03:15 PM
He definitely hasn't been the problem.

zeke
10-19-2014, 03:16 PM
the problems have been pretty limited.

1) goaltending
2) finishing

its like a mirror reverse of last year's start.

Bleedsblue&white
10-19-2014, 03:18 PM
Right now it feels like every mistake ends up in the net. Even if that's not true there are too many brain-farts in our end.

Bleedsblue&white
10-19-2014, 03:20 PM
And I would like to see a more balanced attack; The fourth line doesn't need huge minutes, but if we could get all four lines rolling effectively I think out style of play lends itself to greatly improving.

JackBurton
10-19-2014, 07:15 PM
The 4th line needs real ice-time to show anything. Carlyle needs to play them.

rated
10-19-2014, 07:25 PM
It's so frustrating having this useless forth line that doesn't do anything. Whats the point of even having a 4th line when you only play them 5-9 minutes a game ? Does Caryle realize he doesn't have 2 goons that can't play hockey playing for him anymore ? Does Caryle not realize no other coach in the NHL is consistently doing this ?